so whos trot is faster now maia or giga
#general-feedback-discussion
fickle root
novel moss
I do see what you mean to an extent btw, I'd love the giga to have more stam when I play as it. But it'd make all mid-tier carnis unviable
languid ember
mid tier carnis would be fine if it had 30 seconds more stam, all mid tier carnis are faster and have over twice as much stam
dibble would be the main issue with more stam i think
fickle root
cerato has the least at 2 and a half
novel moss
Sort of? But remember carnis aren't sitting around waiting to be ambushed, they're likely to have been doing stuff. If they burned any stamina beforehand, or happened to walk next to a cliff, anything, it'd mean there's no way out even if the giga messes up
fickle root
thats kind of your fault for running your stam out
languid ember
i mean it's your own fault for not managing your stam
novel moss
It's equally your fault for no ambushing properly, conversation got nowhere
languid ember
if you run into a giga with 1/3 of your stam left i don't see why you should deserve to live
languid ember
so if something doesn't have a lot of stam that doesn't make the ambush a proper one? what's the logic in that
novel moss
What's the logic in your argument? Hunting should take effort on the side of the hunter, it's not a hard concept
fickle root
allos stam at a third is still more than gigas full stam
languid ember
i'm saying it's bs to say it's not a proper ambush because the prey hasn't managed his stam properly
novel moss
Yeah, and I was talking about Kev's scenario where the allo has 30s more stam than the giga. Again, your argument got us nowhere
And I'm saying it's bullshit the giga could hunt you down in all scenarios where you aren't at optimum distance + nothing to run into + full stam
It's fine as it is. If you're hunting properly, you'll catch your prey. If not, you won't
languid ember
What are you even arguing against? i just don't see how if an allo runs into a giga when the allo has 30 seconds of stam left that doesn't make the giga ambush a proper one
novel moss
Plus, think about it this way: If the giga could run down its prey in all scenarios where they aren't at 100% stamina, bleed would make it literally unsurvivable. Running for minutes while bleeding? You die. So you'd have to get rid of the giga's bleed
... Did you even read what I said?
Right now if you run into a giga at that point and the giga ambushes properly, you'll die
If you walk into a giga that happens to be walking around and not hunting, you'll probably survive. Just as you should
fickle root
one giga bite will leave allo with around 850 health and 100 bleed it will not run far
languid ember
dude what the fuck are you even arguing for, am i just braindead and don't understand? i'm just saying if a giga ambushes something that doesn't know how to manage its stam and has almost nothing left that doesn't mean the ambush wasn't a proper one
novel moss
To the first one, yes, you are
lament thorn
What's even going on
novel moss
You brought up a scenario where a giga should have only 30s less stamina than other dinosaurs. For an allo, 30s is about 1/5 of its stamina. So if an allo had < 4/5 of its stamina, it'd be run down. I said why that's a stupid idea. It shouldn't be hard to understand.
And honestly, I'm kind of bored of explaining that
So, I'm out 👋
languid ember
what the fuck are you on about, i said giga having 30 seconds more stam would barely impact mid tier carnis and it would be more of an issue with dibble, go read before you call me braindead
i didn't say it should have 30 seconds less stam
just said 30 seconds more for giga would mean extinction for them
novel moss
That's fair. I mean, the rest of the argument is still braindead, but fair enough
How much stam does rex have?
novel moss
Yeah tbh
In which case, yeah, it should probably have a bit more. I still don't think it should rival any smaller dinos, but it should be more than rex
unborn quail
Giga technically has more stamina than rex
barren zephyr
@scarlet pelican The suggestions channel is not the place to ask about computer issues, it is suggestions for The Isle. Use #🔧-legacy-troubleshooting-🔧 instead.
novel moss
@dapper mirage How come? Does it regen quicker or something?
unborn quail
Rex has 100 stamina, with a decay rate of three. Giga has 100 stamina with a decay rate of 1-2
Giga can affectively run longer then a rex, AND regenerate stamina while trotting
novel moss
Shouldn't that be 50-100 seconds, rather than 30?
And if it can regen while trotting, I don't really see what the problem is
languid ember
rex has 30 seconds, giga 50
dapper mirage
unborn quail
What Kev said
novel moss
Sorry dood, pinged the wrong person 💔
dapper mirage
why do I feel like the ping I was given was meant for you, nova
unborn quail
It was
dapper mirage
manic ibex
@maiden tartan sounds kinda like a Dilo.
novel moss
@kind kayak That's a really good idea actually. I'd nest a lot more often if I could look at the player list and see who wants to be nested as which dinos
dry cradle
@barren zephyr its becaus ehtye were messing around with bleed changes, they changed bleed so it wouldnt deal damage if you were below 10% hp but they changed that again so that only applies when sitting down
barren zephyr
:c oh
kind blaze
it was talked about earlier @brittle ravine the giga does not face tank things, the rex and trike beat it in a face tank match, unless you are referring to allos or suchos
thorny lynx
Does anyone else here want more dinosaur colors for herbies and carnies? I would like to have some dryo and dilo colors on both sides.
languid ember
@thorny lynx why do you keep putting shit in feedback and suggestions at the same time? decide which one
thorny lynx
Increases the chance of it being seen.
tepid field
hello
scarlet root
Giga/Rex - balance finished. It's time to take care of other dinosaurs.
kind blaze
@thorny lynx I literally told you early rex and trike beat giga in face tank why are you constantly putting false facts
barren zephyr
It is balanced.
scarlet root
that good because giga is bigger
thorny lynx
I just facetanked a spino and fucking won
scarlet root
stop crying
barren zephyr
If you're in game hunting you're not gonna face tank something -_-
kind blaze
Rex beat giga 6 bites to 7 rex won
thorny lynx
It's not about bites. It's about how fast you bite
barren zephyr
For once they're actually both playable and balanced
How tf are people still complaining about this
thorny lynx
I say lower rex's bone break and add damage
zealous scaffold
wth? Rex doesn't need more dmg =.=
kind blaze
Again! Rex gets bone break giga cnt turn fast enough to get all bites rex wins we are talking about real combat here
thorny lynx
If you lower bone break, yes he does.
zealous scaffold
unless you intend to give herbivores more hp/dmg resistance
kind blaze
That is why it is now balanced
thorny lynx
Just give trike more damage
scarlet root
@barren zephyr Giga/Rex - balance finished.
zealous scaffold
no - as much as I like herbivores, I don't believe they should be able to murder carnivores - giving herbies more dmg isn't the way - give them more hp instead
thorny lynx
That isn't balanced at alll.
zealous scaffold
carnivores are for dmg, herbivores are for surviving dmg
barren zephyr
They're both fine being on the same level
thorny lynx
Yeah, because he regularly ate trike horns and frills
barren zephyr
No it didn't
Rex barely hunted trikes at all
And adult trike would fuck up a rex
It mainly hunted hadrosaurs in its region
barren zephyr
Because its on the same level as rex now in this game and its good
zealous scaffold
I believe trike should be given bone break ability and dmg resistance in favor of dmg
kind blaze
In real combat it does not face tank
barren zephyr
Just because you're a basic ass rex lover doesn't mean the game shouldn't be balanced
Its a videogame that needs stable characters
thorny lynx
Gigas should be hunting large prey, like large hadrosaurs and sauropods
Once we get anky and stego in, Rex will be able to fight those.
thorny lynx
No it isn't! Giga shouldn't be facetanking trikes!
Yet, giga facetanks trikes. You just proved my point.
barren zephyr
trike has horrid bleed heal, whataya know
scarlet root
@thorny lynx thats good
barren zephyr
people who can't see that a stable videogame is better than one dipped in reality
thorny lynx
No it isn't. Why should anything facetank a trike?
kind blaze
Giga does not face tank trikes if this is real fighting gameplay and competent play er which apparently you guys are not seeing one on one trike wins
thorny lynx
I'm kind of sad that rex can facetank one
scarlet root
@thorny lynx why giga can't brake bone, why t-rex brake bone only in game. Remember its only game
barren zephyr
Its called Play styles
thorny lynx
Giga should be hit a few times and run, hit a few times and run
scarlet root
@thorny lynx run? that big lizard nice logic
wintry cipher
thats why its ambush is short, so it gets a bite, then tracks its prey as it bleeds and tries to escape.
barren zephyr
Hm lets see one follows its prey across the map bleeding it
And the other breaks bones and anchors them to one spot to powerhouse them to death hmmmmm
kind blaze
Ultimate fluff you obviously do not play apex carnivores in official servers, you are trying to bash creatures u dont even play because you are not a good fighter plz stop with this false toxic info
thorny lynx
Why not just get off your high horse and admit giga is a bit too powerful for what it's worth
I'm trying to do homework rn. Stop pinging me.
barren zephyr
Tyrannosaurus Rex's niche is killing trikes? strange how its the apex of its entire formation if its only built to hunt one animal 🤔
thorny lynx
I am a very good fighter. Don't make assumptions.
feral wedge
thorny lynx
I don't understand why you're so upset at me. Seems as if you're being too offensive to your favorite animal--hi, Gar.
Nothing to see here.
scarlet root
@thorny lynx It's time to take care of other dinosaurs.It's time to add Alberto,Acro to survival mode.
thorny lynx
Alberto is a smaller rex
feral wedge
@scarlet root No.
thorny lynx
Alberto will never be survival.
scarlet root
@feral wedge yes
barren zephyr
If you actually looked at anything you'd realise theres barely any evidence of a rex going up against a trike
Especially face-tanking
Rex would not fucking face tank, all its important shit is on its bloody head
feral wedge
They're shittier versions of things that are already in-game. It's a waste of time.
That's not suggestion related either
So leave with that talk.
kind blaze
See this is exactly the problem here once someone is presented with actual facts from seasoned rounded players they get defensive like children, plz stop people who actually battle apex daily know that this is a good balance its all up to skill now
thorny lynx
Oh, bravo, you play on deathmatch all day.
feral wedge
You two quit or I'm going to kick you
thorny lynx
My apologies.
So uh
dilo and dryo colors for carnis and dilo colors for herbies when
scarlet root
@feral wedge that discussion is only about rex bla bla bla, giga bla bla bla, i think its time to end it and take care about something new. no matter how you balance a game, some will never like it anyway.
zealous scaffold
@barren zephyr they are treated like fodder
zealous scaffold
right now they don't have any chance of escape and only trike has a chance in fight
only maia has escape chance
and galli
jovial skiff
have u seen the patch .-.
zealous scaffold
I think all should have
thorny lynx
I honestly feel herbivores should have more health.
next nexus
dont have to outrun the predator, just outrun the other group members
zealous scaffold
and encouraging players to make herbivores hunt carnivores mess everything u[
@thorny lynx agreed
thorny lynx
Because as of now, it's carnivore against carnivore
Instead of carnivore vs herbivore
There is a reason why lions don't eat hyenas.
zealous scaffold
because there's no point inpalying herbi.. unless I find a very big herd I have to camp in bush until I'm an adult.. and even then too many things can one-shot me
next nexus
but they do?
thorny lynx
Not really. Not very often, unless they're starving.
zealous scaffold
lions kill hyenas, but very rarely eat em
feral wedge
@scarlet root Yes. Because Rex and Giga have both undergone major changes with this last patch, so they're pertinent to conversation and rebalancing/balancing/changes before things settle. There probably won't be any new animals for a little while and things like Alberto (Sub Rex) and Acro (shitty Giga) are not important. They just look different. They're not useful. They're not a suggestion. It's something that people only want. Not something the game needs. Especially right now.
feral wedge
Cerato's ambush allows it to catch and kill Carnos
It doesn't need an even better one.
jovial skiff
maybe thats the intent for Cerato?
feral wedge
I think it may be just a teeny tiny bit too fast.
jovial skiff
to constantly be on scavenging
feral wedge
Just barely
cold belfry
What if the Dinos were more realistic
jovial skiff
the game will not be balanced
cold belfry
The tree has been proven to have feather
cold belfry
Oof I meant T. rex
cold belfry
Ok that’s new
feral wedge
About half a year old or so, I believe.
cold belfry
Ok and I have no clue what paleo means
feral wedge
The channel for paleo discussions
cold belfry
What does the word paleo mean
next nexus
paleontology- real life dinosaurs and the science behind them
cold belfry
Ok
languid ember
Gar, cerato ambush has a 1.1 mult for 6 or 8 seconds, it’s not good at all
thorny lynx
When will apexes be able to eat gore that young adult apexes and adult dibble drop? The curved ribs not based on pue ribs?
potent olive
What scavengers?
And that's steal small chunks of food from big corpses.
Yeah there's dinos that can do that?
Also I just got the game 2 weeks ago. It has ruled my life ever since, but I've only played in survival. So only know those dinos
zealous scaffold
Small carnivore dinos can eat gore
haughty sparrow
maybe add different types of crocs in the future like boarcroc or super croc? boar croc is a beast too if it was in the isle. imagine a crocodile with dog like legs and huge tusk like teeth trhat can travel well in water and on land . no one would be safe from it!
barren zephyr
@crystal turret utahs are much faster than dilos, larger and more nimble
also
utahs are extremely effective in packs
and basically have one of the safest spots in teh game
with the rock
crystal turret
Enough with the pack bs
Every dino is effective in packs
What niche is a utah filling currently?
barren zephyr
small fast hunter
crystal turret
that hunts what exactly?
barren zephyr
what do you mean
utah bites it 7 times
which kills it
then sits
rz
ez
utah lives
dilo dies
utah can facetank dilo and win
and is faster
and has better turn
takes 14 out right bites from dilo to kill utah
7-8 to kill dilo from utah
crystal turret
in your scenario, the dilo is then stuck there for literally 30 mins
regening health
barren zephyr
waht
yes
thats how
most fights end in the isle
from creatures that are similarly weighted
barren zephyr
i know
thats how most fights end
utah is fine rn, it has extremely good stats for its growth time
crystal turret
lol no. No other fight ends that way
First of all, a single dilo hit can't drop most of the other dinos to 1hp necessitating them full heal
barren zephyr
well yea but most other dinos
are much bigger
than utah
?
like
everything similar sized
crystal turret
Second of all, no other dino need only be hit once and suffer for 30mins like a Utah
barren zephyr
then dont fight dilos
you can ez run away
and get on rocks
dilo cant do shit
esp with how light night is
crystal turret
which leaves what to fight?
crystal turret
the non-existent herbs? The galli or dryo?
barren zephyr
thats not a utah problem thats an isle problem in general
utah is the most agile carni in the game
with ambush becomes faster than anything else for a good while
deals decent damage and bleed
takes like
an hour 50 min to grow
crystal turret
I imagine the fight will be more even once they get pounce working
barren zephyr
utahs getting a stat nerf once pounce is in
but yea
pounce should fix stuff
rn the fight is still in utahs favore
yea he has to wait 30 after
but hes still alive
the dilo
crystal turret
The downtime in this game is insanely stupid. The game isn't built in a way where people can sit there for 30mins
barren zephyr
isnt
crystal turret
same with bonebreak. Why not just give Trex a shotgun cause it's over once it breaks a leg.
barren zephyr
because without bonebreak
it bites something once
then it runs away
what shall rex do
crystal turret
TRex are doing just fine on survival without it lol
barren zephyr
yea
crystal turret
never played giga
so don't know what they like
will likely suicide my utah and make one though
potent olive
@zealous scaffold obviously I know that. Read my suggestion . I mean scavengers with the ability to come pick a small piece out of a predator's kill, and run off with it(in its hands)!
The scavenger's hands not the predator's hands
barren zephyr
I don't get the lack of AI complaints.. since they improved the sound, they're easier to locate and I've yet to get below half huger on a sub Apex ..
potent olive
For real I get so much ai I never look for other players
Do think the echo of the calls could calm down
barren zephyr
Maybe they just don't know how to encourage ai
hybrid umbra
so, now with the patch, what is the fastest dino?
brazen wolf
Carno.Still
violet magnet
i get ai spawns right when i need them and no sooner, idk what y'all complainin' about
ai doesn't spawn around you when you're full, you have to let your hunger run down a little bit
barren zephyr
and you gotta not sprint across the map
burnt lodge
^^^^
violet magnet
^ that
"i ran all across the map without stopping to rest and didn't get a single ai spawn, AI IS BROKEN"
well first you have to...stay in one spot for longer than five seconds...
viral creek
That's a shame. Cause I actually prefer to run around as opposed to staying in one spot.
verbal acorn
You start getting an AI spawn at 70%...it’ll keep giving them unless more hungry players need them. AI prioritizes you the lower your hunger, all but throwing AI at you at the expense of others as you start taking damage
violet magnet
@barren zephyr "Or at least 15-20 seconds from the last time you were hit in a fight"
no
no no no
a thousand times no
this is SO damn griefable and we've already had this discussion half a dozen times
verbal acorn
Running around is fine...just take a break around 10% hunger. Fill up a little, start running around again.
barren zephyr
@violet magnet I have never been a part of this discussion, so I'm not in the know on how it would be griefable.
Could you please explain?
Also tbh I just think if you have a bleed, you shouldn't be able to combat log.
The other suggestion was just off the top of my head.
agile whale
That wouldn't be such a bad idea, if everything that would want to hunt something that's logging off wouldn't be able to make it bleed. See, the problem is that basically anything that wants to hunt can cause bleed, meaning if you can't log out because you're bleeding, then literally just a solo utah who sees you as a rex logging out can run up to you and bite you for the hell of it and just keep biting you everytime you try to log out. If it's a solo utah, it's probably not seriously trying to kill you, just mess with you since it probably has nothing better to do, The being hit thing is just worse because everything can hit you. Think about a dryo or two who will literally not let you safe-log because they see you're trying to log off and just want to be annoying. Or gallis, even. Those things are hard af to catch as anything right now, now imagine them just beating you up and not letting your dino log out, spamming a broadcast to drag a larger carnivore into the area. Tada you've just lost your dino to a dick galli because they were bored and there's nothing you can do about it
Basically, the mechanic could be abused and used against players who are just trying to log out and get spotted by a person who has nothing better to do than troll
burnt lodge
^
agile whale
Like, is it something that could be super useful and make things more fair? Sure, it absolutely is. But it's something that's so... open in regards to how it's handled that there's no way it could work only for its intended purpose.
violet magnet
^ what Auxiar said lol
plus with bleed;
with the new bleed system you won't bleed out while sitting down, and if your prey manages to escape you, sit down, and safe log for a full minute, then you've failed that hunt anyway
toxic vortex
ok 2 things
- why in the world did utah get a dmg buff. i mainly play utah allo and carno, and utah is by far the last thing that needs a dmg buff due to its op turn if u cant ass ride then idk man
- why cant dilo eat small gore? it seems so silly that it cant specially since they are know as baby killers which except for trike juvis all drop small ribs..
jovial arch
utah got a damage buff
im assuming because the devs want it to go toe to toe with dilo
which honestly never made sense to me
because dilo has 1 a longer growth time and 2 significantly slower speed and 3 significantly worse agility
dilo has two advantages on utah: 150 weight, and 35 bleed
agile whale
Was testing out the dilo vs new utah actually, and they're pretty evenly balanced if both players are decent in skill. By that, I mean the dilo, if strategic, can bleed out the utah easily. But in pure damage, the utah can destroy the dilo very quickly. Ultimately it depends on the strategies employed by both parties. In a face-tank, utah would win. In a, dilo-bites-then-runs strategy, the utah will quickly bleed out if it can't get the dilo around bleeding to death as it chases after it
Really quite interesting
true haven
@waxen talon who said i play herbivore and ai spawn near me
barren zephyr
Why tf do a bunch of 
keep bitching that herb herds keep messing up AI spawns because they spawn for herbs
Seems like it's unclear
waxen talon
From my reading understanding, Dwas. In the suggestion channel.
Herb herds uses AI as detection for when Carnis are around.
Since they don't spawn unless carnis are around.
So even if you sneak around, you get noticed.
true haven
@barren zephyr because they never experience it
zealous scaffold
@barren zephyr carnivores don't need encouragement to hunt herbivores. The herbivores need encouragement to play at all xD
barren zephyr
So AI don't spawn for herbs correct?
waxen talon
They do not
true haven
no i played as herb few times and ai still spawn it was 2 days ago
barren zephyr
What you mean i love playing herb. I just hide in Bush till sub adult trike then as sub I can take on like 70% of predators and just wait out the 3 hours as a sub adult trike
waxen talon
They only time you would get AI spawning close to you is if there's something dangerous around you.
zealous scaffold
This means there was a carnivore near you
@barren zephyr imo that's the problem! Hide in a bush for 2h? Where's the fun in that?
barren zephyr
I mean what do you want from herbs? Parkore? They eat plants and sip water that's always been their focus
waxen talon
Herb are fine as long as you manage to find a herd.
true haven
ai still spawn when there is herbivore
waxen talon
No they do not.
true haven
so what happens with us
waxen talon
What do you mean Typhoon?
zealous scaffold
Honestly, I like to explore. Fight for my survival. Would love to stand a chance at running away when I get spotted by a predator. I only experienced that as a Maia and galli
true haven
they spawn when there is herbivore
waxen talon
Yeah, idealy you manage to find a group of mixxed herbivores and chill with them.
AI doesn't spawn near herbivores, if they do.... there's a carnivore around you.
barren zephyr
This is kinda why I want a clarification from a dev. Getting tired of being told yes no yes.
true haven
but there is no carnivore around me even if i was a juvie and calling no one kill me
barren zephyr
And why I put the suggestion with the assumption that if it's true.
waxen talon
That doesn't guarantee there isn't one around you.
true haven
@barren zephyr even if herb make ai spawn no use to that , u play herb is for food of carnivore why wouldnt u
waxen talon
And a carnivore could've spawned the Oreo, and then walked off.
Leaving the AI behind, and you ran into it.
barren zephyr
Uh no that's not how that works @true haven play herb to herb. Later if a Carni wants to try to fight it can die under your massive trike feet
Theres not rly a reason for ai to spawn on herbs
waxen talon
Herbivore is a way more chill game style.
Where you buddy up, get some cute babies going and usually stay in 1 place.
Aslong as you got food and water.
zealous scaffold
Ugh....
waxen talon
As carnivore you need to constantly roam around.
barren zephyr
Except to maybe force a carni to accidently find herbs
true haven
yeah that it the reason maybe
zealous scaffold
This is exactly what people are complaining about
waxen talon
Yet some people enjoy it
barren zephyr
That's a reason because then you're just making more ai than needs since they can spans on yourself too so I call b.s. on that concept
waxen talon
Why it's nice to being able to chose between carni and herbi.
zealous scaffold
I'm just saying you should have the ability to escape with your life if you don't want to stay at one spot
waxen talon
You do?
zealous scaffold
Don't think 'survival' really means 'sit under a bush for 6h or so'
waxen talon
The only ones that needs to do that are the apexes.
As Maia you're able to outrun anything but the carno, same for galli.
I even think Para with the new buff is able to.
And the herbivores that can't run, are trikes and diablos.
barren zephyr
I mean as a herb storms are the worst for you. Legit it's like playing blindfolded esp if it lasts too long
waxen talon
Both pretty nasty fighters.
barren zephyr
So to say a herb has no struggles is 
Not only that they're all susceptible to easy pick off by raptor or carnos except a few so you're always looking around you and planning
barren zephyr
Half the time I have to find a spot hidden near food if it is about to storm while being able to see if I can get water if needed
Full grown Diablo takes a while to get
I'm talking about growing
If you're a adult you don't have to worry about much but apexes
waxen talon
Yeah but that's the case for all dinos isn't it?
barren zephyr
Well the difference is herb don't have a reason to hunt other juvis
While carnis actually gain something from it
waxen talon
It's a sandbox, you're free to hunt them if you want.
barren zephyr
Not only that most early herbs are slow af unless you a para
Most people play on survive not sandbox
waxen talon
The entire game is a sandbox survival.
zealous scaffold
Jeez... So let's all sit under a bush
barren zephyr
And if you're going to play a sandbox and ffa you're better off just being a carni at that case
barren zephyr
I mean you do the same for a carni except you're forced to try to hunt for buggy AIs @zealous scaffold
waxen talon
Or you sit under a bush and wait for your hunger to go low.
Get AI to spawn
kill AI and get your hunger up
barren zephyr
I would say forced game play is worse than having what some would call boring game play
waxen talon
and then go back to hiding
The issue with "hiding under a bush" applies to both juvie stages.
barren zephyr
Don't know about that, like I said most carni juvis are taste than the herbs as it should be that's legit how evolution works if they intend to live. But many have more offensive choices as well. Not only that ice noticed I have to eat less as a carni juvi than say a herb juvi
Which makes sense since herbs do have essentially a over here to find food. They just have to move to a area with an abundance
If you find a large bush then you're set till sub really it won't despawn. You can just wait it out. However as a carni you can't camp a game for long as it will despawn
waxen talon
I've completely lost track of what we were discussing.
Started out as "herbivore needs reasons to be played"
now we're talking about carnos having to roam around.
barren zephyr
I said well carnis have to do it a lot less and it's not part of their core thing.
I mean being able to do anything doesn't mean it's not having to
zealous scaffold
'she' if you will xD
barren zephyr
That would be like me saying well you don't have to be alive to witness current events you can be dead. Which tech. If you wanted to yeah you can do something about that but it's not like you will because It would be stupid.
Just because there is a choice doesn't mean there's more than 1 correct choice
hoary ocean
damn assuming genders
barren zephyr
What do you do as a juvie trike, can I ask? 😄 you run from spawn for 20mins to find bush, once you find it, youre taking hunger damage as the map is fucking huge, you eat, drink and you go sit under a bush, juvie takes about an hour? Sub trike is easy prey too
zealous scaffold
Chiki - I believe each stage for trike takes 2h
waxen talon
Try to find yourself more trikes, which I tried to say from the start. Herbi works much better when you're in a group.
Start a nest and try to get more trikes that way.
Sub-trikes are able to fight off medium tier predators
So you're not completely defenseless
zealous scaffold
And sub is only easy prey for apex - at least it was before update now I'm not sure
barren zephyr
Sub trike used to take 3,7 hours
hoary ocean
Trike is still 200 as Sub
barren zephyr
Yes thats correct.
Well if you have or find a herd, Yes, its a way easier and “faster” too to grow
Anyway, I have no will to grow anything bigger than Utah now as Ive grown 3 rexes, 1 giga and two trikes last week just to be wiped.
2 rexes the day before wipe, would be nice to tell players there will be a wipe, really.
lime olive
Coolstorybro
barren zephyr
The story is about wasting players time actually, not about how much dinos Ive grown, There are players who lost much more. I wouldnt waste 12hrs the day before for nothing.
zealous scaffold
@buoyant jacinth just like you said it yourself - carnivores really don't need more encouragement to hunt herbivore players. And I don't see any merit in there being playable AI races, aside from there being more AI in general
@barren zephyr I think that's the point. Idk - maybe some people find it atractive. For me - needing to sit in a bush is excatly waste of time. Juvenile and sub-adults should have means to fend for themselves so you would be able to roam, so each stage would be enjoyable. Then even if you died it wouldn't feel like a waste of time
buoyant jacinth
I'm not sure what you mean by playable AI races @zealous scaffold or what you're referencing by my described saying of carnivores not needing more encouragement to hunt herbivore players, requesting a more detailed breakdown of where you're coming from.
The idea mostly came about from population dynamics I've observed across multiple servers, there's always an extreme carnivore bias which doesn't seem to fit the hyper-realism The Isle is going for.
I would never really expect those player population dynamics to change on their own unless the aforementioned herbivores got fed steroids.
Well, I say that
Yet there's art for strains and mutants and all that
So, take my saying of "hyper realism" with a grain of salt
zealous scaffold
@barren zephyr I dissagree on the proposition for sucho's speed. It takes away it's uniqueness. I'm not sure what it's current trot speed is (as the table doesn't state it) but I believe it is lower than in table. It's fine if it's trot is slow. I have another idea to make it unique.
Leave the trot being pathetic, as it is now. Give it incredible ambush speed (maybe like utah has?) but for a very short time (let's say 35 MPH for 3 sec) and add a bone break. This would make it the perfect ambush predator that I believe it was meant to be.
@buoyant jacinth byt more encouragement I meant AI of the same species giving less food than players
I agree that the game would at least look better if there were more herbivores
atm it kind of looks desolated...
buoyant jacinth
Ah. While this is all hypothetical, I figure that even if AI counterparts of players gave only a lesser percentage (say, 15% less), it'd still be a reasonable value to go off of
I take you're assuming something more extreme here
zealous scaffold
well - you didn't give any value so it's hard to really know what you're talking about xD Sorry if I assumed wrong but seen far too many people giving sugestions that are just silly - as if they were assuming that nobody hunts down herbi players xD
buoyant jacinth
It doesn't seem appropriate for me to be assigning specific values to hypothetical ideas when I have a foggier understanding of the game compared to the devs.
They would have right of it to seriously spout specific values like that.
Maybe if the dev kit was up to date and I could mock up a concept and get a quick field test of it
zealous scaffold
still - with the game being as desolate of herbi players as it is, there really is no point in making AI of the same species to give any less meat - because why?
buoyant jacinth
If you have enough AI around, they would offset their own food-point reduction by population.
Even something harsh like a 50% reduction would be offset if you had 3 or more AI counterparts shadowing a player herbivore. In that example, 3 AI would = 150% of a player counterpart's food total unless there's something funky going on with The Isle & food math.
zealous scaffold
here's the thing: only about 20% of player population plays herbivore
in this light - does your proposition really make sense?
barren zephyr
@zealous scaffold I literlaly said to keep the speed Sucho has now i said absolutley nothing about a speed buff
zealous scaffold
@barren zephyr well - the table you linked clearly showed sucho with a higher speed than it has - like I said , I don't know the numbers, but I do know tha tas of now it is the slowest carnivore to play and the table showed different
faint vector
Hebiaczek, where did you got that number? That only 20% plays herbi?
faint vector
hmm... those numbers might crawl up a bit now, that the herbies got a lot of love last patch.
zealous scaffold
well - let's hope so
buoyant jacinth
I think I've pretty much said all I can, though just one last question before I let alone - is the down-vote for that single issue? Or is it just a generally unlikeable idea on top of that?
Taking feedback here. We're not the devs, but it's a window into what other people see into what I say and write.
I'll let my post alone and not edit it so that it stays more or less pure to what I originally wrote, warts and all.
zealous scaffold
well - let me quote you "Not that any herbivore and carnivore should be friends, but I find myself immediately setting on the prowl on sight of a herbivore player (so long as it's a reasonable target) just for the thrill of a "proper" hunt, even if my needs are sated."
This just shows that there is no need for further encouragement (and btw - man yo uare cruel! let the herbi live if you don't need ot eat xD Is there really much trill when a juv herbie can't do a thing against you and is mostly just a one-hit-ko thing?)
I admit that adding AI looking like players might add charm to the game - if there were more, then I would agree that there would be a point in making ALL herbivores giving less food.
Still - adding AI looking like players might misslead herbi players and end up killing them, which is kind of unfair
If you want to add AI looking like players - then don't limit it to just herbivores
but we might end up with AI-filled servers which... idk - has it's ups and downs
Please don't take this as me being mean - it's not what I'm aiming for
buoyant jacinth
Lol yeah admittedly I'm a pretty bloodthirsty player. Anything lesser than I is a potential threat or something I can sit on for when my hunger inevitably goes down.
I think it'd be clearer for me to say that what I would "want" out of this, to put a visual on it, would be for there to be roving herds of say trikes or whatever. You know which one's the player because it's the big, badass bull/matriarch leading them around.
It sounds like I gave an overly mixed message there, altogether.
Servers with more heavy AI populations would certainly be a mixed bag though. Flipside is that it could de-tense the herbivore side of things too much (My herd-mates will take the fall of a predator attack) which would create the wrong kind of asymmetry.
I figure part of the scarcity of herbivore players is down to assholes like me. >_>
zealous scaffold
Sorry I took so long to reply - had to go eat sth xD
well - I can't really blame you for wanting to hunt - this is the reason why you play a carnivore, right?
anyway, I put some serious thought to your idea while cooking
and I do see merrit in player-like AI - although in maybe a little different way than you said (or I just missunderstood)
buoyant jacinth
I find that player encounters are often carnivore vs carnivore, it definitely gets old. Herbivore players will probably always be rarer than carnivore players because TI's whole thematic is savage and violent which gels pretty well with predators.
zealous scaffold
it would be great if there the game would keep track of how many herbivore/carnivore players were there and kept a natural balance of let's say 2herbi - 1carni - and kept that balance with player-species-AI
I would love to see herds of even AI herbivores roaming the plains
buoyant jacinth
Yeah, that's actually a pretty good summary of what I had in mind.
zealous scaffold
it would be an opportunity to both herbivores and carnivores and it would solve the desolance of the world
also - to discourage players from camping in bushes all the time there should be carnivore-AI spawning when you stay in one place for too long - first the little ones, then bigger
it's plain silly to see some people admitting that they usually camp for 5 hours in one place....
buoyant jacinth
Hey I'd be down for that. TI's come a long way from the AFK simulator it was only 6 months ago but there's still shades of it depending on what you play as.
I'd have said carnivore spawn in always be an equal to the player (EDIT: Or close enough that it'll hurt a bit when they take a piece out of you.) I've found the velociraptors that throw themselves at juvie rexes and allos to basically be free food that comes to me!
Not a lot of food, but still a morsel that's straight up serving itself to me
barren zephyr
@zealous scaffold That was in feedback not in Suggestions
buoyant jacinth
Then again, those velociraptors do tend to pulverize things like utahraptors
zealous scaffold
@barren zephyr we shouldn't be discussing ideas in feedback so I moved this here....
barren zephyr
Why it's still unrealated so stop bringing it up
Stick to what i suggested not what i said in feedback
zealous scaffold
@barren zephyr I'm not.. we're talkign about a different topic...
@buoyant jacinth back to our topic xD well... while I understand why you would like velociraptors coming to you, this isn't excatly right either - which is why I said that bigger carnivore should start showing up - it wouldn't be right for sth big to show up just because you're a juvire/giga - remember that this might be an inexpereinced player and should have a chance to escape before he gets killed xD
buoyant jacinth
Yeah, that's fair. I also have kind of a skewed perception, I'm familiar with their AI behavior and sound so usually I'm seeing them long before they can perceive me.
zealous scaffold
well - it's understandable 😉
buoyant jacinth
*Their being velociraptors
I figure something like, say, a Cerato might find an AI Utah or Dilo roaming around if they just sit there idle too long
zealous scaffold
also - if the world would be more populated, I agree that all (AI and player) should give less food - stepping up hunger would only make it more annoying
buoyant jacinth
In that example could kill that, but it's not like it'd be free food and if it advertises its presence with broadcasts that'd give a new player a chance to learn what calls go to what creatures.
zealous scaffold
anyway - it would be fun if the roaming herbi-AI herds acted more player-like (eating food, drinking and depending on species trying to fight off or run from carnivore)
this would make attempts to blend into such a herd for herbi players a reasonable option
buoyant jacinth
Yeah, it'd make the maps seem a little more lived in.
and on that point it would certainly make sense to have the AI herbivores be more equal to players rather than crappier versions
zealous scaffold
yeah... it's really a shame when you walk around for hours and see not a soul :/
buoyant jacinth
Otherwise I could see someone just ignoring the AI and deciding to duel to the player, even if the AI give sufficient food
zealous scaffold
yhym - if AI were somewhat equal to players then it might make more interactions of AI vs Player but I don't really see a problem with it
let's be fair here too - unlike player AI knows when its hit can make dmg, and when it's too early/late to click xD
buoyant jacinth
lol yeah. They have the server on their side, players have latency working against them
zealous scaffold
yeah xD
so many times I was sure that I'd make a hit and lol nope xD
still I'm a very new player but... I don't believe even veterans have a 100% accuracy here
buoyant jacinth
I find that to be an issue when I play dilo and rex
But my ping is also often 100+ no matter what server I play on
zealous scaffold
it's hardest for me when I play a herbi since I get no practice while hunting AI
buoyant jacinth
So, take my word with a grain of salt
zealous scaffold
lags are the bane of player existance xD
so.. now I have a request to you to rewrite your suggestion 😄
sorry to say this - but tbh I really missunderstood what you meant with the previous one and I'm sure many would do as well
and it is a very good idea!
buoyant jacinth
lol
Yeah, I'll edit it for clarity. No sense in writing out a new one, and our discussion became a lot more interesting than just "X Y and Z came off weird"
buoyant jacinth
ya! farewell
I gotta get off too once I reword my post lol.
@dim zodiac Tail shots?
Do you mean like, being able to hit enemies with its tail as an alternate attack?
dim zodiac
yes for rex or other big dino who can defend the back
buoyant jacinth
Ahhh, ok.
zealous scaffold
Hm... Btw @buoyant jacinth I don't think 'recrutting AI as followers' should be a thing - if that were to happen people might end up doing it to hunt carnivores
zealous scaffold
More like - the AI could recognize player herbivore who 2 call to them as part of herd as long as they follow the AI
burnt lodge
That's only if the ai is aggressive
zealous scaffold
And while in herd, if the player is a baby or juvie the AI might try protecting them
burnt lodge
Not if there's only the option of "flight"
Or not allowing juvie and below to herd like that to begin with.
zealous scaffold
Well - from a carnivore perspective - don't you think it would be interesting if your prey fought back?
buoyant jacinth
I think I could buy it if, say, an AI trike would try to flee unless a predator got within a certain distance
in which case it then turns and stands its ground
zealous scaffold
Ofc galli AI should run, but a para or trike?
burnt lodge
Yes... that's where players come in... or specific ai dinos
As in alpha of the group
AI or not
buoyant jacinth
So a would-be army leader would for the most part lose his herd if he tried to direct them straight at a rex.
The herd would serve themselves first, and only defend themselves if they have to.
burnt lodge
You can tweak it to fit however you want
analog ingot
I just thought of something.
Shouldn't cerato get the best or one of the best smells in game because its meant to eat rotten meat and bully stuff away from taken down prey? Like it should be able to ssense smell from really far distances
zealous scaffold
I think smell in general needs some adjustments
analog ingot
I know, and it probably will get, but as for cerato, he should be the best smeller of the mid tiers maybe?
zealous scaffold
As well as the herbivores should get an ability to cover their tracks somehow
analog ingot
Hm, idk about that, carnivores need to be able to track them down somehow?
zealous scaffold
Well sure - but it isn't really fair when all species who can crawll can hide their tracks and others are just free food
This is why so many end up bush camping
analog ingot
I see what u mean, hm, maybe not for large herds, but loners or small families could do this?
zealous scaffold
You can't run, can't hide, can't fight... Then what's left?
buoyant jacinth
My experience is that scent is most reliable as a water-radar. I can track players and AI with it if I luck out and get a consistent trail of foot-prints, but I hear players more often than I smell them.
zealous scaffold
Yeah - I totally agree that large herds should be easier to find
buoyant jacinth
My first impulse would be to have scent just straight up highlight players, but that also seems extremely unfair to players who get themselves nicely camouflaged.
Well, characters I should say
AI is a character but definitely not a player :P
zealous scaffold
Aye... That was my thoughts excatly
analog ingot
There was a talk a while ago, that u could smell players if they camp/afk at same spot for too long.
zealous scaffold
I'm piseed as a carnivore that my smell does pretty much nothing but herbivores need to be able to hide
Ah that's a nice idea
We had another one - that camping would trigger carnivore AI to show up and each time larger ones
Or in more quantity
They could be pretty loud too
analog ingot
Ye, that be nice, but I feel like affinity needs to come first, because having to move around just to avoid carnivore AI to spawn or ppl to find u by smell is stressfull and boring if u dont have anything else to do for Affinity.
buoyant jacinth
Tempting to say that scent detects different creatures depending on the dino using it.
Say, rex scent will highlight trikes in the area.
Allo scent highlights stegos.
Though that's still pretty cheaty, just at a lower magnitude
analog ingot
Haha, ye so they hunt their prey, I like it tho.
zealous scaffold
Hm... I don't feel like it's a good directon though...
buoyant jacinth
Yeah. I'm hardly convinced of what I wrote
Just threw it down so that maybe it could be taken by someone and made into something smarter.
zealous scaffold
Highlighting anyone just feels wrong
analog ingot
It could use some tweaks, but other than that, u should be forced to hunt prey on your list and not go around kos juvis all the time.
highlight AI?
zealous scaffold
On the other hand I have studied else in mind
Atm tracks are only shown if you happen to smell while sitting on tracks right?
analog ingot
sitting?
buoyant jacinth
Maybe a sort of heat-map on your compass.
The more red it is, the more characters in that area.
zealous scaffold
Why not have a random ONE track show itself while you roam having smelling active
buoyant jacinth
This wouldn't give any character away
But just tell you "Go here for more activity"
analog ingot
hm, idk rlly
zealous scaffold
I meant tracks only show atm if you are near them when you start smelling
This is kinda luck based tbh
analog ingot
I'll be suggesting my cerato suggesting tho in suggestions.
buoyant jacinth
I'm actually liking what I spitballed about the compass changing color to give you a feel for where the action is.
If, say, there's characters north of your position, the compass becomes more red as you face that way.
analog ingot
Its still scary tho, it should change color depending on if its big smelly carnivores or big herbs?
zealous scaffold
Hm... But i'm worried that it might again discourage people from roaming
Ah that sounds better Milk
Juvi should be harder to find by smell than adults
analog ingot
(Btw I changed my mind, I think most dinos will be getting some kind of similar smell, I'll just see what happens) xD
about my suggestion))
And thx!
Ye I agree on the juv part, but if u stay on 1 spot too long u should smell tho. I'd say we wait for affinity first tho.
zealous scaffold
That or just mix the smell thing with AI-carnivore spawn idea
Think it might be easier to implement from programming perspective too
analog ingot
Ye.
zealous scaffold
Basically - if you camp you get punished by a screaming annoyance that tries to bleed you at the same time xR
analog ingot
Thats so scary tho. xD
zealous scaffold
Well - that's life for us xR
analog ingot
To make it kind of naturally, they should spawn sometimes right away and sometimes take forever to spawn on you...
zealous scaffold
True - there could be a randomizer
And it shouldn't happen too soon either
We should allow herbies to stay hidden for a while - if anything it's sometimes the only option to lose a preditor you just managed to slip from
Hm... Then again I just found a problem with the compass highlight and AI carnivore...
analog ingot
I dont like when AI spawns around herb players imo. xD
buoyant jacinth
Maybe nests should be excluded for simplicity's sake.
analog ingot
I want to nest AI soooo badly.
zealous scaffold
It's sometimes the only way to get a herd
buoyant jacinth
Nests seem appropriate as something you really have to work at to find
zealous scaffold
Sounds fair
analog ingot
There should be seasons in game somehow, when its easier to nest maybe
zealous scaffold
And parents would take extra care to make their nests unseen
Then again - this could be used as an exploit
violet magnet
^ i wish people did
a giga nested right in the open today and then got upset when someone destroyed their nest
like dude...
zealous scaffold
You want peace and quiet? Build a nest and camp around it
analog ingot
lmfao
Well, if anything, I want to be able to nest AI and build my own AI family/herd, this would fullfill herb playstyle XD
zealous scaffold
Haha true xD
analog ingot
But imagine the coding work, like ur AI should have a hierarchy or something.
zealous scaffold
@broken bear sorry to burst your bubble but this is impossible
zealous scaffold
Kk ;)
buoyant jacinth
I do echo marto's sentiment about it feeling like you're at a disadvantage for using in-game chat
Rather than going with discord/skype/whatever
That noise has given people away to me before and I've butchered those players for it
zealous scaffold
It is
Honestly, I think that they should just delete noise making from using chat
While I love it
buoyant jacinth
ya
broken bear
naw I think it's a great feature in the game though
zealous scaffold
It's just an disadvantage atm
It is - but it's unfair when others simply avoid it by using other communicators
Especially that some species have really loud 'typing' noise
analog ingot
I fully agree @zealous scaffold
I hate VC users, so much abuse
zealous scaffold
And it's impossible to make other communicators to trigger the noise
buoyant jacinth
I am one of those chumps who goes to VC if at all possible <_<
zealous scaffold
Well to be fair - in flight or fight you can't chat by writing
broken bear
I try to avoid it, really just takes away from the fun.
zealous scaffold
It might be possible if there was an auto-walk/run
But right now? You either move or talk
buoyant jacinth
Basically the only honor I have is that I wont use blatant exploits, suicide in water, and wont go out of my way to kill someone who's obviously inexperienced.
Once fought a juvie trike as an allo who was fruitlessly left-clicking when he was too little to stomp.
Seemed extremely unsporting to kill him so, I let him be.
broken bear
I would never use auto-walk or run, why??? so you can be lazy and not look around or pay attention?
analog ingot
Maybe ur dino should make a random F call noise each 5th min if u dont use in game chat? Or simply just remove chat noise u make.
mental sleet
why ?
buoyant jacinth
Auto walk in any game only makes you go straight forward.
broken bear
I wouldn't use chat if anything is close by and I sure wouldn't do it without cover
zealous scaffold
Been killed far too many times because I wanted to type in 'there's a carnivore here! Run!'
buoyant jacinth
In The Isle that could be a direly bad consequence if you let the game auto pilot you off a cliff
mental sleet
just 4 call and bail.
buoyant jacinth
Auto walk =/= the system playing the game for you
mental sleet
you gave them a warning.
broken bear
exactly what multi said
zealous scaffold
Yeah - 4 call and lure in more carnis
mental sleet
@barren zephyr you wind up like Ark, bad idea.
buoyant jacinth
Now if that auto walk had pathing that'd be a different story lol
zealous scaffold
This might work when you're a galli or sth
mental sleet
if there's that big of a concentration of carnivores around
you probably shouldn't even be there.
analog ingot
I still dont like the sound u make as u chat. I liek grouping with randoms in game, but we always die from allo packs using VC snecking on us really good, this is so unfair 
zealous scaffold
Well - you sometimes walk into a place like that by accident you know
broken bear
I dunno I try to become the Dino, I guess it's me, but I enjoy it. 1,2,3,4,F calls
zealous scaffold
This happens when you want to roam instead of campung
zealous scaffold
Then ban chat completely lol xD
broken bear
naw still need to work as a group
zealous scaffold
Atm chatting by typing puts you at disadvantage
analog ingot
yes
native vale
@barren zephyr Isn't that a feature in BOB?
analog ingot
if ppl just go around using vc, bann the call u make as u chat
zealous scaffold
As you can't move or anything and you can't even start running imidiatelly
analog ingot
if using caps in game maybe the only time u should make a noise.
zealous scaffold
How many times did I end up writing 'wwwww' and dying xD
broken bear
been there done that lul
zealous scaffold
This is why at least a short auto-walk/run could help
zealous scaffold
It won't be at least that obvious to everyone around whether you're typing or not
violet magnet
"Maybe ur dino should make a random F call noise each 5th min if u dont use in game chat?"
nope
big nope
broken bear
ok I could go for that auto walk/run, if chat window is open, this limits you to only looking forward and typing
broken bear
you wanted auto walk run for typing so why do anything else but type
zealous scaffold
When I played a sucho I ended up with a sore finger from trying to get to a lake or sth xD it walks so damn slow!
I wish I could just turn an auto-walk instead
broken bear
that's a completely different subject the voice and communications
broken bear
I would go for chat window open auto walk/run only and typing
analog ingot
lmao, yea, not the best idea with 5th call thingy.
zealous scaffold
@broken bear don't see a difference
In that case - you want auto-walk? Turn on chat and enable it while being ready to slam enter to run
broken bear
you just want auto walk/run for everything so your finger doesn't hurt. not that you said before I was typing and died cause wwwwwww
zealous scaffold
I honestly want auto-walk for a variety of reasons
I want it both to be able to say sth in a grave situation and when I have to travel half or more of the map to meet with my party or reach a water source
Sure, there might be people who would afk during auto-walk but there are people who afk anyway - it honestly only would make them easier to find
broken bear
ok well, I've made my point in regards to voice coms. not going to debate a auto walk/run feature unrelated
zealous scaffold
You may make it that hitting any other button outside of chat would disable the walk
Alright
@barren zephyr I have mixed feelings about your idea
barren zephyr
I don't know much about beasts of bermuda i refunded that game after 16 minutes of playing. It's in a rancid and horrible state.
zealous scaffold
While I love the idea of future generations being better, I believe 7 is far too many and very fast playing a new dinosaur would be pointless
native vale
7th generation dryo.
zealous scaffold
I think it would be better if you limit generations to 3
There still would be an advantage but not as lage
faint vector
7th gen Dryo would just bitchslap apexes into crying.
zealous scaffold
Yeah
native vale
^^Yes
violet magnet
how many of your kids and grandkids and great grandkids would actually live long enough for any of this to work
barren zephyr
There's a 2000 character limit so i couldn't put the whole idea in there lol. But the idea was based on the fact that on the character sheet there's 6 DNA slots, so a 7th generation dino would have 6 additional stats. And ... like if say you managed to get Bite force increase on each generation (something that would take very selective breeding, and would be hard to do) you would only have 60 extra bite force
i wasn't wanting something insane stat wise, but a small advantage
that would encourage nesting and co-op
zealous scaffold
60 is a lot for quite a few dino!
barren zephyr
It is yes... but
analog ingot
I dont like generations, xd
zealous scaffold
It's rubbish when you're a rex but for dyro?
analog ingot
ehh maybe, idk tbh lmfao
barren zephyr
it is also hard to do under the system i proposed. It would require some serious RNG luck. I made it in the system so that you would have an increased chance of getting a specific gene if both the parents had that gene, but it doesn't garuntee that you would get it. Getting the same gene 6 times in a row (in the example we're talking about 10 bite force x 6 generations) would be highly unlikely, and 60 bite force is a lot, but not game breakingly so when you consider an adult rex has 1200, 1260 wouldn't make that huge a difference
analog ingot
7th generation dryo learns ninja kick Im just dying 
zealous scaffold
I think it might be better if you got just a tiny buff at something, but the bigger reward would be an achievement of sorts
People like achievements
barren zephyr
I do think that's hilarious as well Milkshake, but like the stat increases i was proposing through the DNA system are small
and yeah, it would make the nested dinos better than the non nested ones, but that's the point
it encourages people to want to be nested
zealous scaffold
They would love to get a sheet of info of how many kids/grandkids they had, what generation they are and such
You could even get a tiny buff for having a certain amount of kids who matured
This would encourage people to nest in the first place
And take good care of their offspring
barren zephyr
Take a look at the present character sheet in game, and next to the dna strand are 6 spots (for the afinity system sure, but that's where the 7 generations idea comes from) 1st gen being the ones we can randomly spawn in now, 2nd gen being those that are born from them, with one stat boost
zealous scaffold
Yeah I saw it too
analog ingot
Having to nest babies for ur baby to nest and that baby to nest? idk rlly, sounds like somthing streamers would do lol
zealous scaffold
Still - you can't make too big of an advantage for sth
This way you'll get people selling eggs on eBay xD
"selling 7 gen rex!"
barren zephyr
That's the idea though Milkshake, it creates a gameplay loop for groups of players / herds / packs by creating multi-generations
broken bear
I think they want to have like male/female for mating but more like a alpha male thing. run other males off.
barren zephyr
I doubt that ebaying dinos would become a noticeable problem
zealous scaffold
Oh yeah? Any game that has any currency has that problem
Eggs with higher value would become that as well - it gives advantage
broken bear
well I hope nothing can be bought sold kind of dumb
zealous scaffold
It is - but it's still a thing and there's no denying it
potent olive
Why does it matter
analog ingot
Call me crazy, but it sounds boring. idk why... lol, it can be abusive...I mean a person can only nest in friends and then use that as an advantage?
potent olive
You can nest in anyone on the server
zealous scaffold
That too Milk
analog ingot
but some only nest steam friends or irl friends
potent olive
And as long as you controll the stat increase it could worn
barren zephyr
Then get your own friends and do the same thing? It's not an exclusive advantage to a small group of people
potent olive
They would nest alot more if there was advantages
analog ingot
it will end up as a clan in the end and kill every singel small juv/herb on the game. Im looking at utahs...lol
zealous scaffold
They do - but it only allows them to team up faster than having to run through the whole map
potent olive
Doesn't have to be that huge of a swing
zealous scaffold
Nesting as it is isn't broken
broken bear
well I think if the nest female dies the nest should die though
right now doesn't work like that and anyone can use the nest
potent olive
I still feel special patterns and colors would be just as good of an incentive as small stat boost
barren zephyr
Like i said, the stat increases i was suggesting are SMALL stat increases and you are NOT garunteed to get the same ones as your parents. You are given a higher % chance to get it if both your parents have it, but that doesn't mean you will.
If you had two 2nd gen parents both with bite force increase, y ou might end up as a 3rd gen with 1 stat of ambush speed increase and one stat of hunger slower drain speed
zealous scaffold
Anyway - using the gene slots - the more I think about it, the better I like it that those slots could be filled by names of your adult offspring - get all filled and you get a stat bonus!
zealous scaffold
It's much harder to achieve - first you have to grow up and then other players as well
Yep
You don't get anything from the get go
You don't lose anything if you end up with your kids dying
potent olive
Still need incentives for randows to want and be babys
barren zephyr
I do not like that idea. Having only the parents get boosted does not encourage people to want to be the hatchling. Under my proposed DNA system people would WANT the next generation of dinosaurs, and thus, increase your herd and or pack and increase your gameplay loop within your group
zealous scaffold
The slots get only filled by adult kids, not blocked by other babies you had
broken bear
I usually take all nest invites, I dunno I like growing from a baby.
potent olive
Could work better with both. Then the parents wouldnt want to continue a explotive loop
zealous scaffold
I like being nested because I get the advantage of not being a lone juvenile who everyone wants to eat
potent olive
Thats cool you do but has to be built for the masses
zealous scaffold
Being nested is good for the baby - why not make it good for the parent-player who has to put in a lot of effort?
potent olive
And next time I have an egg I'm looking for both of you
broken bear
fine, just don't tell me what I'll be I like the surprises
potent olive
Lol word
broken bear
if I get eaten you get the block though 😛
potent olive
Lol
broken bear
anyways sorry trying to stay on topic
potent olive
Awesome to see the channel actually dissucs future mechanics and not just my dino isnt fast enough or theres not enough plants
broken bear
I don't know what to say about the affinity system because its not put in place yet
potent olive
Right im alittle confused by it
Seems like a skill tree deal some time. Other like a reputation system
broken bear
well with the dna strands it has to be something with birthing
potent olive
Well they said if your caught exploiting the affinity system would be affected by it
zealous scaffold
I posted my idea in the suggestion
Yeah...
That's what I sometimes wish here too
barren zephyr
The reason i don't like your idea Hebiaczek is that it only incentivizes one player.
broken bear
I don't know, nothing put in place yet, so I can't really comment
zealous scaffold
Well but on the other hard it gives you a new goal after reaching full adult
potent olive
Why would you thumb down the ability to store Dinos. " oh I just hate keeping things I spent hours on.
analog ingot
the DNA slots are already for Affinity I thnínk.
potent olive
They are
zealous scaffold
Well - if you want to play with else you can just join another server
potent olive
But so few details from devs some contradicting other things they have said
dim zodiac
need more large hitbox for rex pls
zealous scaffold
Storing more dino would just put a strain on the server database
potent olive
Right but what if I have dinos on all servers
broken bear
yea that's what I do as well. just join another server
potent olive
And want to play spmething else
zealous scaffold
We don't want more lags
potent olive
Or wait for a friend who i play this dino whit
If they die that would be it tho bye dino
zealous scaffold
Whelp...
potent olive
And one we have special skin patterns and colors and parents who rarned extra states
Might wanna keep that if I decide to start as a juvie or be a hatchling
zealous scaffold
Sorry - still think that it's more important to have servers as stable as possible
potent olive
Alot of time I dont become hatchling cause I like my adult
Oh yeah long future idea
Like after release
No point Espically with wipes
broken bear
it's just a matter of adding slots in the database and UI change not too difficult. I would assume it would be something in the future
zealous scaffold
Oh it's not difficult. It's easy really. But the more data the slower everything is
potent olive
Right and it have to stored server side
barren zephyr
Walkin there's easy ways to have more than one dino on one given server
broken bear
true multiple accounts as well
potent olive
Okay
zealous scaffold
I'd prefer to have more AI in game to make the maps feel less desolate then to allow players to store new dinos
potent olive
A real proggeesion game mecanic
barren zephyr
I sent you a PM describing how to do it walkin
potent olive
Hell I would pay for slots tho
broken bear
I think it'll be a future thing, right now it's working on mechanics combat ect.
barren zephyr
I agree with more AI, it would be nice to have more variety to the AI, but i wouldn't want to see adult larger dino AI, more like juvies or something, just something to aid in the survival of carnivores as they grew up on the larger maps
potent olive
It's really not a big deal for awhile anyways. Sure there is more impirtant things to discuss
More variety of ai yes
broken bear
I don't like having so many AI, just means people hide away from everything get big then walk all over map
potent olive
Right just variety not quanity
I'd still like to see scavengers who can take a piece of meat for dead Dinos and run away to eat it
Be a great annoyance to apex Dinos. Just a pack following you around waiting to steal a piece of your kill.
Don't like the idea of ai being hatchlings tho. There should just be enough incentives for a hatching. Plus an ai that complex would take just as much away from preformance as a player would.
broken bear
Ai dinos probably not going to happen, way too much goes into something like that and takes resources
potent olive
Right and if comes to either this ai or another player. Personally would rather have the extra player on the server.
broken bear
it can be abused as well, good young one a little bigger and I'll get to eat you cause i'm hungry
zealous scaffold
But I agree we need more AI and best have a variety of it. As it is now you can sometimes walk around for over an hour on a server with 100 people on an only meet the occasional oro or taco
And wouldn't it be nice to see herds roaming the plains, feeding, drinking and sometimes maybe even nesting instead?
broken bear
I have only died once from food death and it was partly my fault for ignoring the AI calls and the changes to the sound location.
zealous scaffold
I'm not saying you need more AI to not die from hunger
potent olive
He just wants more life
zealous scaffold
'she' but yes ;)
potent olive
My bad
broken bear
more ok but then limit the amount of food they give out then, no reason to just sustain on AI
zealous scaffold
And it would be more fun for herbies as well - they would have an option to travel with AI herd when there are none player ones instead of needing to camp in bushed
broken bear
I don't see many herbi roaming, it's pretty much camp fest. but humans not in the game yet either
zealous scaffold
Well - only herds can roam... I want to do it solo but atm it's plain suicide
broken bear
not if your far south
zealous scaffold
Each time I try I just get killed - usually one-shotted if I'm still a juv
No matter where I am - might be cursed xD
broken bear
I dunno might be nice to see all the herbs roaming from area to area for food kind of like Buffalo
zealous scaffold
Only as maia I got to have a chance at running as a juv so far
Yep :D
That's what I'd like to see
And carnivores would be able to hunt properly too
And not only other carnivores xD
broken bear
The spawn point would have to move with the herbs, any logged in would have to be in the group as well
zealous scaffold
Seeing an adult Rex living off current AI is just sad
I'd say it would be best if the AI herds had a route
And the game would keep up with current herb-carnivore ratio
broken bear
I'm against the AI sustain for any player though, supposed to pvp
zealous scaffold
New herd would spawn only when the ratio would be hurting
broken bear
it's still living off AI
zealous scaffold
Well... Then you end up with desolate map
People still live off AI
And with this method you could cut the small AI spawn
So no more oro showing up from nowhere around an adult rex
broken bear
so when a rex spawns in far north and the AI is far south, your scewed
zealous scaffold
The AI spawns should be still valid for juvie
They would have trouble hunting bigger prey anyway
And if you don't care to move to better area as an adult? Then it's your fault
broken bear
welp as I see it all the rexs and gigas just roam around for ai already they camp raptor rock for a reason. so Utah's can never get a pack going and let us roam the map like the pack animals we're supposed to be
zealous scaffold
We must be playing different games then - I see Utah and Dillo packs all the time
broken bear
a viable pack is 7 for bigger dinos and that's with people half competent. there is always losses and that's cool.
but 3 pack giga, rex just camping the rock, naw boring.. and they just sit ther living on AI
all the utahs just log out pack never forms
So the best hope utah has is to attract other dinos hope they all fight and we can clean up. it happens sometimes but not often
zealous scaffold
With the current situation it can't be helped. But if they would introduce larger and roaming, instead of just spawning prey, it would solve the issue
In that scenario, big carnivores wouldn't be able to feed on small prey
So they would have to move and in smaller groups
But the main point is that they need the bigger prey
broken bear
I think as it stands right now, as a utah, if they made the food we have eaten last 3 day night cycles, it might be able to form up a pack and go roaming to fight
zealous scaffold
Atm it's too hard to find other players and sustain from this
broken bear
well I never had a problem finding people.
zealous scaffold
Well my congratulations
zealous scaffold
Haha point xD
broken bear
as what?
zealous scaffold
As what you're currently playing
broken bear
I play Adult REX, Adult Carno, Adult Raptor, Sub Cerato
Dyro
Killed 6 people yesterday on my Raptor
zealous scaffold
I didn't ask for you to show off what you play xD
broken bear
you asked what I play
zealous scaffold
Like I said - my congratulations if you can find player pray
brazen wolf
RaptorsIsEasyToFindPpl.TheyFastAndCoverMorGround.AndTheySilent.
zealous scaffold
But regardless of what you play there is always STH that can eat you instead of you them
broken bear
twin lakes herbs and carnivores
zealous scaffold
@brazen wolf please use space bar...
zealous scaffold
Whelp... Then don't mind me ignoring your lines
broken bear
twin lakes has the most variety
barren zephyr
uncleraptorspacebarnoworkie
brazen wolf
broken bear
south of map is some raptors and occasional Allo, mostly barren
brazen wolf
HahaPressingSpacebarIsEasierBro
MyKeybordeIsMessedUp.SpacebarBroken
WhyDoPplHaveProblemWithThat
barren zephyr
ThisIsFor #401470471750811669
broken bear
<@&401466542140817419> discussion offtopic
broken bear
So anyways, players can be found, I don't see the need for more AI
zealous scaffold
Well... Regardless - I still believe that AI herds could make it more appealing to play as herbivore as well as carnivore
Everyone wants to see herds roaming the area - either to blend into them and explore without sticking out like a sore thumb or to have sth to hunt for that isn't a pathetic tiny AI that really should not sustain a big carnivore like giga/rex
It would be best if the herds were players
I agree on that wholeheartedly
But as long it's not the case, it would be great if there was an alternative
sharp matrix
and maybe herds should be in default skin so we wont mistakenly them for people
zealous scaffold
Well... I have been thinking that too - but this would make blending in impossible
brazen wolf
ItWouldBeNiceToSlowDownFoodDrainForAllDino.AndTheKillHaveMoreMEat
zealous scaffold
And as a juvenile herbivore you're helpless
sharp matrix
that is THE risk youre taking if you want to blend in
zealous scaffold
That's the reason playing juvenile herbivores
Means camping
And I don't think it's appealing for anyone - herbies or carnivs
I want people to have a choice - blend into a herd or stay in bush
Right now it rarely is the case
zealous scaffold
The adult AI might look different
brazen wolf
yes.GoodIdea
zealous scaffold
@mental sleet I agree
mental sleet
no need to tag me btw, I am paying attention.
zealous scaffold
And I don't understand it but apparently some people like it
mental sleet
they don't like it.
but to them, its the most sucessfull method of survival.
they'd rather sit in a bush and go watch netflix than play as a juvenile.
that's what leads to bush camping
brazen wolf
YouHaveToHideInBush.OrelseYouWillDie
zealous scaffold
I thought so too... And a guy told me that he loves it and excatly why he plays herbi
mental sleet
that's bollocks.
mental sleet
not true, but its the best method.
zealous scaffold
And I really want to play a herbi sometimes too...
brazen wolf
ButWhatCanYouDo.YouHaveToGrow.BabyTooSlowAndWeek
brazen wolf
ItsNotAProblem
brazen wolf
It'sTheWayOfNature
brazen wolf
YouHaveToSurviveInThisHarshEnvironment
zealous scaffold
Haha.... One day I tried 30 times to play a trike - no one nested and I just kept being one shotted whenever I tried roaming
mental sleet
survive, yes, but you should be given the tools to survive.
juveniles, for the most part, are not given the tools to survive.
zealous scaffold
I agree
mental sleet
there are a few exceptions, but those are due to fast growth rate or just the juvenile t.rex
zealous scaffold
I tried giving suggestions on making juvenile more mobile but got no response :/
mental sleet
no, that's not a tool.
mental sleet
that is quite true.
brazen wolf
SoGetUsedtoIt
brazen wolf
It'sMoreFunSurving
mental sleet
I do not want to play the game by sitting on a bush.
how is hiding in a bush more fun surviving ?
zealous scaffold
Juvenile are small so they should be more nimble and faster - they can't fight but they should be able to run
brazen wolf
NotGetEatenIsFun
mental sleet
sitting in fuck knows where isn't.
zealous scaffold
Doesn't matter if carnivore or herbivore
brazen wolf
TheThrillOfGoingToGetADrink
analog ingot
@slender sigil I'm not sure that would work for every specie, just imagine inviting players when ur AI has hit sub stage.