a pue is just gonna cry and slowly lumber away
#general-feedback-discussion
compact coyote
but theres a much less of a chance to snipe a trikes head from 10000 miles away
mighty girder
And if you were gonna snipe a trike why in the world would you ever go for its head
assuming locational dmg is in before humans which it likely will be
shooting a trike in the head would be the dumbest idea ever
mental sleet
@stark ruin each player's dinosaur should remain anonymous, in order to prevent targetting and people just leaving if the server's carnivore/herbivore ratio doesn't meet their liking.
The upsides from having it aren't worth the downsides, as for everything else...
A queue system will only result in 1 hour queues
mighty girder
Player list already shows how many people are playing doesnt it?
mighty girder
Yeah, server tags would be great as long as server owners used them properly
stark ruin
@mental sleet Oohhh sounds legit
I mean the anonymity per player thing
I might remove that one from my suggestions and replace it with "Queue for Group"?
Also could you explain how do you think server queue system would lead into queues as long/slow as you described?
mental sleet
you can only have a single dinosaur per server.
stark ruin
Ik
mental sleet
imagine someone joins EU1 and gets to an adult rex.
he wants to play his adult rex, but he cannot join.
now imagine that instead of just this one guy trying to join because he has his adult rex on this server.
you have 30, 40, maybe 50
they much rather prefer to play with the animal that took them 7 hours to get to
than to hop onto another server and begin growing again.
also ping's an issue.
stark ruin
That's my situation with my adult allo on EU 1 rn
mystic kestrel
just get nested by an adult rex 
/s
mental sleet
Having it be this ''who has the most patience/more lucky'' system atm is better, for people always have a chance to join.
Joining a 50+ queue, not so much.
stark ruin
Well yea, that adult rex player having to compete with ppl who don't currently have a dino on the server would indeed seem unfair
mental sleet
Its not that its unfair, it is fair for an adult rex player to want to play on a server just as much as the guy who wants to grow a utah.
Just that the timers would be so long people wouldn't bother.
stark ruin
fair
pure copper
@north vector your suggestion is creative which is Good but if you’re gonna make a suggestion like that it’d probably be best to specify which sauropod(s) you’re talking about so people don’t automatically assume you’re talking about brachi or pue (because apparently those are the only ones that pop into peoples heads for some reason) and repeat the same arguments over and over that’s been passed down from nearly 2 years ago even if they aren’t relevant now or never worked to begin with
gusty gyro
"because apparently those are the only ones that pop into peoples heads for some reason"
Reason are because brachi has a model with some animations. Same goes for pue and it has been in the game for awhile (when I say in game I mean sandbox)
pure copper
Doesn’t change the fact that not every sauropod is their size
gusty gyro
I said what I had to say ¯_(ツ)_/¯
topaz epoch
They may be playable they may not be. I can see plenty of reasons why they wouldn't be. I just hope if nothing else we have at least one AI sauropod herd that roams the map together because that will be an amazing setpiece
pure copper
The only logical contention I’ve seen towards their playability thus far (even the smaller ones) is humans and their weapons which is fair but not impossible to solve
mental sleet
and juveniles
pure copper
That I don’t get
pure copper
They’re only as slow as their animations which if you copy paste the adult skeleton onto their juvi model can obviously be problematic if they can’t move at a more rapid stride with it.
Virtually all defensive Herbivores are sluggish and helpless to most predators larger than them upon spawn in , the whole point of survival is to grow until you’re formidable enough to either hunt or defend yourself from being hunted
Example being : a baby trike is outrunning nothing but doesn’t have to if it survives to be strong enough to protect itself from threats
mental sleet
a sauropod's ''able to defend itself'' size would take you gours
also juvie trike's a mess of an animal.
bad example
pure copper
I’m not sure what you mean that able to defend itself size is Kindve dependent on how strong they are along the way to adulthood at different stages. Growth timers and stats are malleable not static
mental sleet
right now they are preety static.
you can only go one way
higher, or lower.
example being the 1.0 juvi rex being much faster than the 0.8 sub rex
valid zephyr
Would a playable sauropod need to be a massive one? A mid size one about 15m long would fit much better
mental sleet
although they are literally a click of a button away
it would need to be big enough
valid zephyr
Give it 8 hours grow time
pure copper
Being fast (or faster than what’s chasing you) isn’t required to survive in the game just staying hidden distinct points on the map without being killed.
The thing that most Herbivores do
pure copper
That’s a tad subjective The most enjoyable part of Herbivore gameplay is the socialization aspect and avoiding predation as a group
Kindve like this
mental sleet
''fun is subjective''
I can tell you sitting on a corner of the map isn't fun
no matter who you are.
valid zephyr
Keeping hidden aka bushcamping isn’t fun
pure copper
I could’ve phrased that a bit better but I never said growing in the corner of the map was a necessity or that gameplay as a juvenile sauropod would be only that. No one said you had to stay in one place but the point is to avoid being eaten which you can do while moving about, the point I was getting at is to stay out of sight from hungry eyes
mental sleet
but it isn't fun, it isn't a playstyle you want to promote.
sauropods would need to hide.
and hide for a long ass time.
valid zephyr
A more fun way to grow would be to either be able to fight or flee
pure copper
They’d need to hide more if they’re too slow to get away from anything and grow too slow before they reach a point where they can kill anything which isn’t a given
brisk mesa
^^^^^
There's nothing different about Juvi Sauropods.
Their gameplay would suck just as much.
valid zephyr
Or trike sub for that matter
brisk mesa
Likewise if an Adult is Cama-sized
north vector
Also i believe sauropods should take about the same time to grow as rex
brisk mesa
You've got something that can hide pretty damn well.
north vector
Over that and theres no point
valid zephyr
8 hours would work
pure copper
By the notion you’re using pretty much all Herbivores should be unviable as juveniles and worthless to play
Which they aren’t
People know they have to avoid predators as youngsters that’s just a fact
brisk mesa
There's no problem with playable sauropods
It all depends on their size and growth time.
north vector
Having to constantly forage for food, knocking down trees... that’s pretty engaging for a herbivore
pure copper
Cam would need some pretty radical stat balance from what it is now
brisk mesa
Rather than have to struggle against starvation constantly, if your bushcamping
good fucking luck.
If your not willing to go out and find food, your not gonna grow.
If your good at finding food as a juvi Cama, adult wouldn't take you too long.
north vector
I understand the problems brachi might have with hiding as an adult and stuff but brachi/cama dont have to be the only options
brisk mesa
Hell TBH, I feel all herbivore should be like that, but that's a separate suggestion
north vector
Something like diplo or apato would work nicely
north vector
Not as tall though
pure copper
Well hide from what
north vector
^
pure copper
Well that depends on how far away you are and how dense the brush is
valid zephyr
Bushcamping is all herbis can do and survive currently though
pure copper
I’ll give you an example
brisk mesa
I'd argue Cama would be a more feasible playable than Diplo or Apato any day.
Cama is slightly taller, fully grown, than a Trex.
It's substantially smaller in volume than a Shant.
valid zephyr
Cama would work much better than the massive sauropods
brisk mesa
We all know the fear of the KOS shants (well most of us, anyways)
How they could shia-surprise and suddenly be in your face charging you down?
Well... Cama is even smaller than that atm.
valid zephyr
And slower too
brisk mesa
Yeah, and uh, not able to headbutt your shit in.
north vector
Cama is a bit of a pain
pure copper
Can anyone spot the Camara in this picture
valid zephyr
It should be able to outfight Rex though
brisk mesa
The problem Jenkens is current Cama doesn't look like it could outfight a Trex
north vector
Cama makes a good ai
brisk mesa
It barely is bigger than a Trike outside of the neck
valid zephyr
Yeah it really doesn’t
north vector
Id rather have a diplo or apato be the playable though
brisk mesa
Cama would be amazing AI
north vector
Brachi is questionable
valid zephyr
Those are massive
brisk mesa
Brachi is the 'hell to the fuck no'
pure copper
Most of the mid sized sauropods would
pure copper
Cam could function it just needs tlc
north vector
In reality, apato has the best shot as it already has a model
brisk mesa
He'd need a remodel, Couch
north vector
Yeah definitely
brisk mesa
All old dinos need one.
pure copper
At his old size cam could run close to 13 mph
pure copper
Not sure why Apatosaurus would be more viable than a Camara
pure copper
Cams speed issue comes from its size
Which is malleable
If you’re just talking about the animals in general they’re both relatively similar in mass
valid zephyr
Apato would be too powerful as adult
pure copper
Both ranging between 16-20 tons
I mean if you balance it that way it could be @valid zephyr
pure copper
The same way shants been too strong more times than I can count
brisk mesa
And has an interesting combat gimmick instead of just swatting his tail and trample
north vector
Id love a diplo
north vector
Just the persistent problem of guns
brisk mesa
I mean, Diplo could be given the speed to run at someone close-up?
Just horrible stamina
Like
Makes a Trike blush.
pure copper
Guns are a problem for all big dinosaurs , large sauropods aren’t an exception that’s why I keep asking how they’ll work
valid zephyr
And hypos too
brisk mesa
Hypers aren't a real problem jenkens
they'll be stupid rare.
Everything is fucked by Hypers.
void kiln
objective system for mercs could help reduce the chances of trigger happy dick heads getting away with it
pure copper
As in how easy it will be to get high caliber weapons or if big animals will require a certain amount of weapon type to kill
brisk mesa
Accept that and move on.
vestal rune
couch I'm fairly sure the brachi in that clip is undersized
and has the same speed as the fully sized one
it's still slow lmao
pure copper
@vestal rune that’s actually closer to the size it should be
void kiln
AE would not be happy if one their hired guns went AWOL and started killing their assets
north vector
@vestal rune it is
pure copper
Before it was pues size and pue is massively oversized in game
north vector
But it does show that sauropods can be made relatively quick
north vector
Sauropods should have a really good trot
brisk mesa
You can't run around with an AMR
north vector
As well
brisk mesa
Or even an elephant gun.
pure copper
^
north vector
Well ammo is gonna be super rare too
pure copper
In most shooters you can’t aim while running
brisk mesa
It could simply be that if you have a heavy weapon
That could down a Sauropod
You might need to lie down to use it
north vector
Tiny head is a hard target
north vector
But you are wasting ammo killing something that cant catch you
brisk mesa
I mean again, consider this:
if ammo is rare enough and gun mobility is realistic
Much as how the devs said if you know your anatomy you could down dinos 1 shot
pure copper
The thing about wild animals is if sometimes when they see you they’ll charge and if you don’t hit vitals you’re in deep shit. Even in hunting games the wildlife AI can be programmed to target players when they’re shot at and spotted. If a Diplodocus player gets shot by you and you’re relatively close they can run your way and you have two choices
brisk mesa
well if realism plays like that, wasting that ammo might get you killed
miss your lethal shot on a Diplodocus
pure copper
- stay still and hope you can shoot it before you die or 2) run for your life before it can cover the distance to trample you to death
pure copper
That’s what gets a lot of African game hunters killed tbh
Missing vital shots at a buffalo or elephant
void kiln
ye heard about a siberian hunter who shot a tiger...... he was found scattered throughout the forest
north vector
If we rally enough around a certain sauropod we might see it sometime in game
I sure hope we get one
void kiln
MAGYAROSAURUS!!!!!!!! XD
pure copper
Cease
valid zephyr
They don’t need to be super slow, but they need to be slower than rexs so they don’t run them down
pure copper
Which something the size of a Diplodocus or larger would be
I’d mostly just been suggesting cam since it already has a model but other species could work , just don’t like pushing my luck m
pure copper
I mean they’re all good for ai if we get technical
north vector
pure copper
north vector
@hexed quarry alot of those already exist in game
And they do have more planned
Alberto and rex are a thing
As are kentro and stego
Kentro recently was remodeled
hexed quarry
ahh thank you couch. oh there is a kentro? ahh ok.
how about another ankylo
or nodosaur
something crazy.....like sauropelta
north vector
Sadly nothing on another ankylosaur
north vector
Np
hexed quarry
and now im thinking of another ornithomimid like the galli
Deinocheirus would be huge
viral creek
hexed quarry
and for his size he would almost match the shant
lime chasm
I'd pet a dino if I got the chance, just sayin
Nothing says you coudln't tame a dino and domesticate it
And then pet it
valid zephyr
looked up apatosaurus and seems it could fit the playable sauropod role. same size as the cama
so couch tomato is right there
burnt fern
if humans are able to work together with dinos they tame, petting could be a good way to add affinity 🤷
and I would go nuts for a cute pet animation from a human tbh. not saying it's likely but it'd be nice :3
hoary nimbus
@acoustic fossil
co·a·li·tion
[ˌkōəˈliSH(ə)n]
NOUN
an alliance for combined action, especially a temporary alliance of political parties forming a government or of states.
I'm not sure what ya mean lol
mighty girder
prob typo'd collision
grave bough
Devs answer the peoples' desires for pick-up animations of babies... by having humans pick up hatchlings/eggs.
acoustic fossil
vestal rune
that literally doesn't make the sentence better
are you talking about making dinos collide with eachother? if so that's already planned
and was a feature in the past but was buggy
@thorny lynx If I didn't have arms and legs I'd get absolutely destroyed by a golden retriever
alt turn is literally a feature there to prevent situations like that
thorny lynx
Why not stomp it
vestal rune
play on good servers instead of complaining
thorny lynx
A forward or backwards stomp
vestal rune
irl or ingame?
thorny lynx
in game
vestal rune
trampling will be a thing in the future, but for now alt turn is the fix
mighty girder
@thorny lynx Why would they balance around a feature not being in game thats always meant to be on
if unofficial servers turn it off, then its on them
not the devs
go tell the owners of the server to turn it on
@thorny crater So you want utah to kill everything?
Ever been assrode to death by a utah? its a shit expierience. Alt-turn stops it
I believe theres some crappy servers that turn it off if you wanna see for yourself what the games like without it
thorny crater
If u got a friend to bite it off or got against a rock it would be very easy to kill it and besides now that bleed doesn't kill u fully it's going to be hard for a Utah to kill u
And ain't this game supposed to be a hard core survival cause unless u have no brain cells the game currently is very easy
mighty girder
@thorny crater So what do you do as a solo player when a utah finds you in an open field with no alt turn hmm? Guess you're fucked because theres no rock
guess you cant wander the map anymore
alt turn is there for good reason until collision and combat overhaul occurs
like I said, if you really wanna see why it exists go play on a server without it
youll be begging for it back
zealous lance
go play on isla nycta 1 there is ZERO alt turn....i lost my sub rex because i got to close to the edge and didnt know that alt turn was off
died
it sucked
thorny crater
Why are u getting that close to edges lol
@mighty girder I've played rex several times on official servers and never once used alt turn and had no issues with utahs killing me
barren zephyr
As a Utah Ive hunted and hounded rexes that didn't know how to alt turn to fight back
even those with alt turn can't do much when they're running away lol
zealous lance
@thorny crater i was looking over the edge to see over trees and such to look for preds to make sure it was safe
thorny crater
Why would a rex run from a Utah lol
thorny crater
Well every Utah I've met must be really bad then
barren zephyr
Rex can't trot turn as sharp as a Utah can Sprint around it. Kinda fun to pester a solo Rex.
wintry cipher
@timid adder Dilo's biteforce got buffed, and limping should be a thing at 10%. so that galli cant just run away from you
timid adder
Yeah, That sounds pretty good of a suggestion tbh
brittle wing
did rex get updated in this patch ?
barren zephyr
Things can't reliably run away with high bleed, they'll limp.
So if a galli is trying to Sprint away with stacks of bleed, it' won't die from the bleed alone but it'll eventually be unable to run due to limping on low hp. Dilo is fine. If anything it's better. Limping with low hp from bleed means it can't be chased by victims either.
idle hollow
Nah, Hard disagree. Dilos after this change are going to be dumpstered by pretty much everything else after this. They're already a glass cannon. The only reason they really kill is because they get in a few high-risk bites and hope they can harass until the thing bleeds to death. If nothing bleeds to death and you force the glass cannon into a series of previously unnecessary engagements, the Dilo is going to just die.
languid ember
Dilo will be getting 200 damage next patch @idle hollow
mighty girder
@idle hollow Dev just said in isle-discussion dilo bite will get buffed to 200 dmg soon. Its like they said stats will be adjusted
idle hollow
Eh, I think that's like buffing a Warlock's auto-attack to make up for making his DOTs not do any damage to enemies at 10% health, but yall do you. If the Dilo stays broke, I just will play another dino. I'll mourn his loss but what can you do. I hope they decide to keep on with the Anti-coagulant route and let him bleed things to death, but if wishes were fishes no one would go hungry.
jovial skiff
@barren zephyr I believe dilo is gonna get a damage buff
barren zephyr
yeah i saw that stop mentioning i think this is a better solution
cyan flame
Make it 5% and it could work, 1% is a bit too much I think. But I'd rather see that dilos bleed ticks down every second instead of every 3 like other bleed, so they take you down faster, but still has to finish it.
earnest cave
Every one is talking about how dilo is unplayable what about the Diablo Maia and packy are the ones who are unplayable because of Rex and ceratos speed buff, we waist 3h to grow one of them and as soon as you find a predator you die
barren zephyr
idk isnt mai fast enough to escape from bleeders since bleed doesn't kill fast dinos also rec should get a nerf yes
carno is what u have to really worry about instead of ceras
earnest cave
As a Packy ceratos are a big problem now.
And as Maia you only can run for 1 min, you have the Weekest stamina pool of all survivor dinos
mental sleet
@fervent elbow already planned
fervent elbow
Oh sorry
topaz epoch
@ruby zephyr Even as of last patch Trikes and Rexes were pretty even, most of the time the Trike died and the Rex bled out some minutes later.
earnest cave
And now the carnívoros Winn all the time yey
topaz epoch
Trike's damage hasn't changed, it still mercs everything smaller than a Rex
ruby zephyr
Yeah, I don’t know... I haven’t played with my trike after the latest patch cause I saw that the Rex bite damage went from 500 to 1200, and I was like WTF 😂
topaz epoch
Before, it did 500 damage plus 10% of the target's max HP
The 10% thing was removed because it was bugging out its damage registration
And then it was brought to 1000, and then 1200 to help it so that Trike and Rex kill eachother in a roughly equal number of hits
So even though the number is high, it's really only on par with Trike's damage due to how much heavier Trike is
ruby zephyr
Yeah, before the patch in which they added the Pachy, whenever I fought a Rex with my trike, I’d hit it properly and he would walk away, leaving both of us alive. Now that it supposedly deals 1200 damage, I’m not sure anymore
barren zephyr
So does Rex only have 1200 bite damage now or is the 10% still there?
ruby zephyr
Yeah, but if the Rex breaks the trikes leg, it looses its 800 stomp damage...
leaden night
Just 1200
topaz epoch
No the percentage thing is gone entirely
barren zephyr
Ah okay
jovial arch
rex vs trike is even
topaz epoch
That's why it just does additional raw damage now
jovial arch
trike takes 12 hits and rex 10 hits
but trike has stomp and better turning
and bleed
ruby zephyr
All I want is for it to be the way it was... if the trike is smart and hit the Rex properly, it lives. If the Rex is smart, the Rex wins... simple as that
shut gale
Rex needs to screw up to loose now dw
leaden night
Just remove BB and drop the damage back to 1000
topaz epoch
Trike's turning was hit this patch so Rex should be able to kill it if it gets the jump on it
If the Trike is aware, or if it's in a herd, it should still win
lone crypt
Trike was more OP than Rex before this
It could inflict triple bleed to a cerato in one hit
And leave that cerato in critical condition, even without bleed
jovial arch
@junior jacinth Even with 1/3 the stamina it still has like 40s of run time. That's like Giga having a 40 second ambush. I'd trade all my stam if I could have a 40 second ambush
shut gale
just nerf the Rex damage to 350 and make it have 35 bleed .... oh .... wait a minute...
ruby zephyr
Leave it at 1200 damage, but remove the bone break
Than the trike could stomp and have more of a chance
lone crypt
Rex’s only issue is that it’s normal speed is too fast. Just nerf it’s speed to what it was before, but this time, the ambush speed should be the same as the current sprint
y’all got it wrong, you have no idea how OP trike was
junior jacinth
@jovial arch I don't think that that's a rex problem. I think Giga just needs a buff and adjustment instead.
And that's also in reference to other dinosaurs
Both a giga and rex close by should be terrifying
and not "Oh.. its a Rex/Giga*
ruby zephyr
But seriously, why do they insist in the Rex bone break? It’s the only Dino that does that. It’s ridiculous...
jovial arch
bruh, it would be so ridiculously easy to hunt things
it's effectively a 40 seconds ambush
plus
you can ambush
again
lone crypt
Rex has bone break to counter the OP dinos that have yet to be fixed, like theri and shit
jovial arch
for an extra 12 seconds of extreme speed
junior jacinth
Ambushing in general should be nerfed.
Ambushing should take way more stamina imo
I made a suggestion about that a little while back
lone crypt
Ambushing doesn’t always work tho
shut gale
plus having high speed and low stam. makes it so nothing can hunt a rex not even a pack of gigas. cause the rex will just outspeed them in CQC
ruby zephyr
Rex 2 shots a theiry now. I don’t think it needs bone break anymore
lone crypt
So the current ambush works great
jovial arch
if your ambushes were 40 seconds tho
lone crypt
Rex without bone break is a rex that’ll starve
jovial arch
not at 21 mph
junior jacinth
If a rex had 40 seconds run time sprinting.
Then an ambush should take all its stamina in 15 seconds.
lone crypt
Either that, or remove bone break and keep its OP speed 
junior jacinth
At least thats how i see it
lone crypt
@junior jacinth no
junior jacinth
You're ambushing, should be punished for a speed boost.
jovial arch
i mean
i'd trade all my stam for it
tbh
fuck
i'd trade all my stam for a 40 second ambush on old rex
not even at the current speed
at the current speed?
a 40 second ambush?
like
bruh
lone crypt
Ambush is fine right now, y’all need to realize the only problem with Rex right now is that it’s too fast. Give back the old Rex speed, and make the ambush speed the same as the current sprint
shut gale
when you add the giga back but .... you you make the rex the same speed 
ruby zephyr
What was the Rex’s old sprint speed?
ruby zephyr
😂
jovial arch
why shouldn't it be crap
ruby zephyr
Still faster than trike
jovial arch
if rex is supposed to beat everything in the game in combat, it should be not faster than anything else base run speed
except for maybe trike
lone crypt
Trike was op as fuck beforehand @ruby zephyr
Rex should be a threat when close, but not from a distance
Also, before, trike could but a cerato in critical condition, cause triple bleed, and all in one hit
ruby zephyr
Yeah, I’m a trike player so... 😂. But if they level them together, I’ll be ok with it.
shut gale
@ruby zephyr trike is faster and easier to grow ish.... so its fine the way it is rn
jovial arch
now carnos can tank hits from gigas
lone crypt
Exactly
jovial arch
and walk it off like it's nothing
shut gale
also an allo pack can hunt a trike now
lone crypt
Trikes should have gotten a minor damage nerf, not a massive turn nerf
lone crypt
@earnest cave go away lmao
earnest cave
No
lone crypt
I’m gonna say it again: give Rex it’s old speed back, but make the ambush speed the same as he current sprint
earnest cave
Now is a pain in the ||butt|| tu survive as an herbivore
Demét didn't work the spoiler thing
Maia more like izy food to carnos and smol carnivores
Diablo more like izy food for rex
Para more like izy food for Rex and ceratos
Packy more like you will dei
Can one of the moderators anser me these wy do may have the Weekest stamina pool in the game?
vestal rune
@halcyon nymph I believe there will never be omnivores in the isle(besides humans ofc)
theri could be a good addition to survival, however it needs to be added in a unique way to make it worth the thousands or so spent on it
also going back to the omnivorous part, why out of all the dinos are the theris the one to be omnivorous? The whole interesting part about theri and its relatives is that it shows a traditionally carnivorous theropod turning into a herbivorous one
pure copper
Seems like a paleomeme-ish thing carried over from Galli
But Therizinosaurids in general show an obvious trend towards herbivorous feeding adaptations and we don’t really see many indicators in the family of its members being omnivorous afaik
halcyon nymph
@vestal rune theres lots of documentary's and records about Therizino's around being Omnivores eating leaves of trees and also some apex Juveniles when they came across some per chance for the extra Protein kick.
that's what strengthens my idea of Therizino being an Omnivore which would also make him unique in a way since we don't have that yet
pure copper
Deer , cows and horses will eat baby birds , doesn’t mean they’re omnivores
Plus I thought the devs said they didn’t want omnivorous dinos in the game out of precaution
pure copper
Derp
arctic ocean
You saw nothing
pure copper
except everything
fickle venture
Before I post a suggestion, just curious if I'm the only one experiencing this - Adult Pachy, if you rest, you're stuck and cannot get up or move even with the visual bug where you scoot along the ground, so you cannot rest at all without risk of simply dying of thirst/starvation. This an actual bug right now or just me?
native nebula
@tepid raven use the Static HUD option in the settings menu.
wraith trout
@tired rover this channel is for responding to suggestions to avoid clutter in the suggestions channel
tired rover
Fixed.
wraith trout
epic
tired rover
Bet
tepid raven
ty for the response dinosauriac, i had that option turned on but it wasn't showing up/staying on for me for some reason
again i am new, so could be something i am doing wrong
agree with @short belfry a dire wolf would be awesome
short belfry
ocean vortex
I regret what I suggested about DIlo's bleed
it's new bite damage is insane and I like it
agile whale
@hazy sparrow The chat works that way because it used to be that people had a hard time scrolling down or were even missing messages and didn't know there were any because the chat didn't scroll when there was a new message. They'd probably have to relook at how the chatbox is handled to give that one a fix.
harsh widget
would be nice if the gigas were bigger
barren zephyr
@harsh widget arent they already as big as a t rex ?
harsh widget
when they were broken they were bigger i kinda liked that
i do know that there are some issues but gonna test it again after our server restarts
barren zephyr
with the new bleeding systeme need a downside like when you bleeding your stamina delete asf it will be cool
ocean vortex
no
barren zephyr
why
thorn wagon
Before I make a suggestion that makes me look more stupid than I already do, is the stuff I heard about rex being able to outpace giga now true?
And if so, does giga at least have more stam/ faster trot.
harsh widget
it is true @thorn wagon
thorn wagon
Welp.
I know giga out stams rex, if do they have the same trot speed?
Or is giga at least slightly faster?
harsh widget
but the rex is still more powerful then the giga
thorn wagon
Mhm.
harsh widget
will be testing it again on our server
thorn wagon
But that's why I need the info before suggesting, if giga can get away from rex via stam and trot then it's fine.
I was gonna suggest rex speed nerf and don't want a bunch of people @'ing and yelling at me like I don't know what I'm talking about (which I probably don't).
So I'm being prepared 1st. XD
Never mind @left storm did it in a better way than I could have.
dusky canyon
I just watched a trike take on 2 rexs, 1 fully grown , the other adult but not fully grown.
craggy musk
take note that an adult but not fully grown rex is a compleatly new dino
even at 0.999 it gets a pretty dramatic boost when it hits 1.0
its like the allo
adult growing is kinda sucky then BOOM its a powerhouse
cyan flame
@left storm Add standing/walking and it could work, otherwise there's no real point to it I think.
left storm
@cyan flame Well if you take no bleed damage from just sitting then I think it would be more fair. If someone manages to defeat their aggressors then they still have a chance to live but having it capped while moving can make this feature abused in combat. It puts the bleeders with low bite forces at a significant disadvantage.
cyan flame
Well, I figure it is to have the engagement all the way to the end, otherwise at that point you might as well just sit down and die, you keep fighting, you bleed out, you don't, the enemy gets free hits. If you're that low on hp, anything that could feasibly hunt you, some balance exeptions, can probably one or twoshot you with raw damage, and probably survive that one or two hits in return if needed.
wintry cipher
it was to encourage tracking though
which is one part of the game that isnt very well fleshed out yet thanks to most fights being instantly fatal
left storm
The only other way I see is to bring it back where you heal every minute regardless if you're bleeding or not. Certainly not realistic, but as you said, at least not every fight is fatal to all involved.
wintry cipher
bleeding was actually bugged. you still healed.
cyan flame
It was? :p
cyan flame
Strange.. :p wonder if that is fixed then
white spruce
@smoky lintel What would make the hadrosaurs different if they both run from the same things? i think para should be able to fight medium-sized carnivores
barren zephyr
@obsidian peak We just got two more..
obsidian peak
for us.... wait unless it doesnt matter?
junior jacinth
@foggy aspen Cerato was recently buffed in speed. Making it need less food will give it more leisure time to kill more with larger groups.
I play a lot of ceratosaurus and from my experience, he's in a healthy spot now.
It seems like it takes an hour for him to get really hungry. Not every few minutes.
Were you a growing adult? Or fully grown?
white torrent
Cerato is in a very good spot atm. Amazing speed, it takes awhile to get starving, good damage compared to the allo. It’s one of the best carnivores. All it need now is it’s fully polished animations and ZIP! We have the best carni
barren zephyr
Cerato starves kindof quickly imo.. especially if you're unlucky with AI spawns.
Ai fills it up really well, but I find I'm usually looking for more food above all else when I play it.
barren zephyr
why did you disagree with my suggestion explain yourself.
i guess its none then😛
I don't think being able to attack while limping will help galli much at that point... its only real strength is speed.
jovial arch
the only thing at that point which wouldn't easily kill you is a dryo
and i dont really think gallis are worrying about dryos finding and killing them after they've broken their legs
pulsar crypt
jovial arch
fair enough
barren zephyr
I mean.. that's incredibly specific.
To a point where it wouldnt justify adding a whole other attack.
earnest cave
@pulsar crypt I think it shod be necessary 2 allos to kill a Diablo
barren zephyr
So nobody can bleed out anymore?
I can fight to the crit screen and then just sprint off I fam faster dino cause running on bleed wont hurt me or what
faint vector
You bleed until 10% hp, then bleed is ignored and your attacker have to finish you off the good old way. If its a close victory, the victor wont bleed to death. And yes, if you can run away, you can.
earnest cave
Is handy
barren zephyr
Thats dumb, Carnos can now run from any fight on crit and noone has the chance to catch them
pack of Carnos is now invincible
i think dilo should deal 100 or the same as utah instead of 200.
manic ibex
@barren zephyr about your feedback btw, Dilo is not supposed to be a scavenger
you might wanna fix that typo before the discord warriors find it
light oak
200 damage for dilo is not that much, people forget it only weight a ton... Ceras juvs weight the double...
barren zephyr
ye a bit too high
light oak
Utahs are not meant for solo game...
fickle root
now rex is just way too over powered right now
a buff to 28 would of been fine not 33
languid ember
I’m very happy that dilo has 200 raw, noe utahs have to think twice before trying to suicide into them
lime olive
Just remember they are still low health creatures, so like. They will just pack a punch, dont get in the way of its mouth.
barren zephyr
they buffed rex?
fickle root
rexes speed got buffed
barren zephyr
oh intresting
fickle root
its almost as fast as allo not even 1 kph off it
barren zephyr
suicide? that wont stop me from assriding dilos turning radius is the greatest weapon
thats why cerato are better than carnos and allos imo
valid flower
lone hatch
When u said nerf rex and now he is even faster👌
earnest cave
@barren zephyr the carno is a pain to mais and iven more withe pashe
barren zephyr
@earnest cave If you scroll up i also posted a suggestion to give Maia more stam to outrun Carno
barren zephyr
Also you should delete the Emote Spam before a mod comes
earnest cave
Wat spame? ;D
barren zephyr
pearl rapids
@glass plume Wait, I thought sucho was faster than giga at least but it seems giga is faster on your gif 
glass plume
they are rly close with regular speed as you can see in the gif
ambush is ez giga
our gigas caught the suchos pretty easily
while testing
Giga speed is 30.6 and Sucho is 30.9 like you said, the main speed difference is from ambush. Even at a decent distance you can catch the sucho. We just tested it again to make sure and the Giga will catch sucho with ambush but normal running they are very close.
earnest cave
I hope the giga speed don't took long he was a pain to Diablos
barren zephyr
No AI spawn whatsoever, no need to bite Carno or Utah as they can run off with full speed not worrying about the bleed as they cannot die from it and you cannot catch them or one shot them at some points, while you are f*cked. "Finnish the fight"... yea, Carno is 2km away already, Utahs laughing to my starving face from rocks, good job folks.
still temple
fickle root
cerato is faster
lean elbow
I really like the giga, it's growspeed is right up my alley but Im afraid of every rex
barren zephyr
@drowsy gazelle It has been proven time and time again that Rex was not a scavanger but i do agree that Rex should be able to eat medium sized ribs
drowsy gazelle
@barren zephyr sorry hasnt seen any information about it not being a scavanger. Like ofc i didnt think it wasnt JUST that. I've seen it as a hyena kinda. you know of any source?
barren zephyr
I'll try to find something
@drowsy gazelle https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/phenomena/2013/07/16/time-to-slay-the-t-rex-scavenger-debate/
Tyrannosaurus being strictly a scavenger was debunked ages ago
drowsy gazelle
I havent said it was only a scavanger dude
barren zephyr
" sorry hasnt seen any information about it not being a scavanger "
I'm citing you for this
drowsy gazelle
"Like ofc i didnt think it wasnt JUST that."
and also, newer info than what u gave me:https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/07/tyrannosaur-trex-running-speed/
barren zephyr
Thats wrong
barren zephyr
Tyrannosaurus being faster than Giganotosaurus is actually realistic now by the way
but its game
with genetically modified dinosaurs
and not realistic
so eh
north mulch
Yes but having a rex rn isn’t that hard besides hunger. There’s no real risk. I got to adult and killed myself Bc of how easy it is. It can catch most things atm-easy. It needs a speed nerf hard
Juramaiia isn’t wrong. Not ONE hunt in any animal is 100% it SHOULD be risky. Even for the mighty rex that gets fondled all the time. Hell realistically a rex would be verrrrry careful of lil old anky. Course it’s not in survival but my point and juramaiia’s is that it’s not always a good hunter as it is now
Rex should be scary no doubt. But being almost successfully hunted even for “faster” dinos kinda makes it almost pointless to grow those things
white torrent
It takes the challenge out of hunting something like trike
white torrent
The challenge is what makes it worth the result. A cerato won’t always kill a Maia
north mulch
Hunts should strategic-more fun imo
white torrent
I really think that it was just the devs fucking around with speed
north mulch
Be*
white torrent
As a joke
north mulch
I hope so. My allo almost got caught by the rex if I didn’t run in a circle. The speed is no joke hehe but needs a nerf
white torrent
They should be- I rushed it because I was hungry, and it outran me
Yeahh
A big, nuke of a nerf lol
north mulch
I just hope they get out of herbs eat plants and need to be weak and a platter poor para can’t run anymore pretty much. Needs it’s speed back atleast
white torrent
New broken rex is like the old rex but with better Stam
Mhm
Survival is basically unplayable when rexes are on the server
north mulch
Idc if it’s weak but don’t wanna waste 3 hours either. Especially now that giga is back it can def catch a para
north mulch
I’ve been on a carni kick Bc herbs are being shit on. give herbs love please devs
north mulch
And I can’t hunt anything faster than me Bc of the new bleed system even if I ambush and get bites in
white torrent
What are you playing as?
north mulch
My dryo survived a bite from allo 😂 the bleed system need some tweaking
Maybe it makes u slow if u bleed I’m not sure
before their bite was high af
white torrent
Nah, it’s intended to be a tracking system
white torrent
I bite a Maia as a cerato, then follow the blood trail
north mulch
There’s one Dino useless to grow
white torrent
More than one
north mulch
Oh yes lol I just feel bad for dilo
white torrent
Para is useless, Diablo is useless, sucho is useless trike gets boned
north mulch
I wish we could do a bit more color for the dilo as well since it’s like a venomous thing. Not eye burning but not dark either
white torrent
Rex is kinda ruining the games main play mode
north mulch
Yeah weird how subs can put nest down- can they nest all the way?
north mulch
even more so that trike subs are considered in limits OOF
leaden night
@white torrent Dibble being useless offically came from the Allo buffs
north mulch
True
leaden night
Allo facetanks it
north mulch
Allo is a lil op the new bully
north mulch
Thought sucho was supposed to
leaden night
400 raw
white torrent
Dibble should fuck up an allo
leaden night
Allo also shits on Sucho rn
north mulch
Yeah and isn’t sucho 350? 375?
white torrent
It’s like if a rex tried face tanking a trike
leaden night
250
white torrent
It’s silly
leaden night
Allo invalidates Sucho rn
north mulch
Wait
white torrent
Man, I said this before but the isle needs someone dedicated to dinosaur stars
white torrent
*stats and balancing
north mulch
devs don’t like that fish boi
leaden night
Allo
Grows faster
Does more damage
Heals better
Is faster
Doesn't have a Dilo level walk turn
north mulch
Allo was really good before the recent buff of 400 I wonder what it’s like now lmao
north mulch
how
white torrent
Well your basically a nimbler version of it
north mulch
Cerato is faster now yes?
white torrent
Dodge the bites, nip at it etc
north mulch
Bc dibble easily fucks cerato
white torrent
Yeah but some creatures are better at fighting others
north mulch
I’d cry if I died from cerato as allo lol
What do you guys should happen like what’s ur MOST wanted buffs/nerfs
white torrent
A cerato can dodge and weave the allo, but has no chance at tanking or dodging the dibble because it’s also fairly nimble
north mulch
Think*
white torrent
Allo can just rush in balls to the wall and tank the dibble, no need to care. But it can’t always keep up with the cerato
Well first
north mulch
Honestly I just want herbs to be a 50/50 with fighting just so I don’t have easy meals (within its tiers of course)
white torrent
Acro: speed and size nerf
Alberto: slight speed nerf
Rex: MAJOR SPEED NERF
That’s what I want the most-
Yeah
Well a cerato should be able to take on a dibble, as seen in its dossier
slim obsidian
Good thing Acro and Alberto aren't in survival eh?
north mulch
I like making strategies with pack mates if I’m carni and stand off with carnis like risk and reward
north mulch
No point in growing some things now anywya lol
slim obsidian
Shrug Well.. they don't really touch a whole lot of dinos until it heads to survival so.... that sucks eh?
leaden night
Go to discussion so we can scream more without blue people being angry
slim obsidian
We are in suggestion-discussion? xD
north mulch
What about fake leg break?
leaden night
Feign limp is useless and bad
white torrent
They removed it unfortunately
north mulch
I kinda miss pulling a snek
north mulch
Nah I would have much fun with that rex as my allo. I would have limped to make it seem like it won lmao
I got away anyway by running circles Bc it’s fast af but still
I’m js the moment a dryo can escape mid tiers with a bite is when shit has gone a lil wrong tho u have to admit
north mulch
I usually don’t either but with most things being useless now I figured why not it’s only what 30 minutes
white torrent
I play sandbox lol
north mulch
I hope eventually when anky gets in survival it gets bb otherwise I quiiiiit
white torrent
I hope we get more ank boi’s
Stego is getting the kentro boi, trike has dibble and Ava. Poor ank is alllll alone
north mulch
Yerp
north mulch
But if they ever add spino to survival (probably new stats) it’d be easy to escape it
north mulch
But it’s holy hell bleed wouldn’t be a matter at least lmao
white torrent
You can’t always have total realism in games or it messes with our human ability to play it
white torrent
Mhm
north mulch
And new bleed system
white torrent
Pfft, I think google has its dinosaur speeds wrong
north mulch
Should maia have more Stam or nah. I’m on the fence about that one
white torrent
Spino: 11mph
Rex: 17 mph
Giga: 31 mph
😂what a drastic difference
Well
Maybe, because carno’s can totally dick on Maia
I can usually deal with a carno player, but a good one can get me
Usually I just troll them until they get mad and leave
faint vector
@valid zephyr you would be back at the starting point. The last surviving dino of a fight would survive the bleed if its lucky enough to be able to rest until the bleeding stops, but the rest of the players still would bleed to death. So you just have a lucky few who can stay alive instead of a lot more people who otherwise would die to bleed. Also the dilo would just have to do what it did before: nick the target 2-3x, dont let it rest, profit.
void kiln
The starting point was that you would kill something and then die from bleed anyway without anyone attacking you. what jenkens suggested does not leave us back where we started. its a definite improvement on bleed being useless.
barren zephyr
@white torrent Do not trust google
white torrent
I don’t
That’s why I said they were wrong lol
I mean
31mph for a gigantosarus— that’s silly
barren zephyr
I mean
Gigantosaurus is a sauropod
and Giganotosaurus did run 32 km/h
not 49 km/h
void kiln
''Gigantosaurus is a sauropod'' lol
barren zephyr
lol its fine
white torrent
Pfft
Take the BB from Rex and give it to pachy and anky?
Here’s a better suggestion
barren zephyr
taking off BB from rex is as dumb as taking BB from Anky and bleed from Giga
white torrent
Give BB to pachy, anky and Rex, but slow that mf down
Speed pachy up, a’little
Keep anky where he is
lone hatch
Remove from rex Imo
lone hatch
Y e s
barren zephyr
The staple of Tyrannosaurus is bone crushing jaws
You are basically taking off its bite force.
white torrent
“Nah I’m mad that i can’t escape it”
barren zephyr
Just give it 28 speed
26 speed is too slow
28 speed should be run speed
33 should be ambush
white torrent
“Plz take its ability to catch prey away plz”
barren zephyr
Alpha your suggestion is as dumb as taking Giga's bleed off because I cant run away from it
Giga's staple is Bleed
Tyrannosaurus's staple is bone break+dmg
lone hatch
Bite force almost every patch bigger
barren zephyr
Not relaly
really
It just went back to normal
It was nerfed accidentaly
but they didnt buffed it back to normal entirely
It had 1k dmg
now its back to normal
white torrent
Rex should have the highest base damage of any carnivore
white torrent
Ehhh we need more realism.
barren zephyr
realism is least when you got mutants and geneticaly modified dinos
white torrent
Wait
lone hatch
Ok but if they wanna make this game realistic rex with bb😂
white torrent
I said that wrong
barren zephyr
bruh
you think a Tyrannosaurus's bite force wouldnt crush bones?
you are hereby stupid as fuck
tfw you have a bite force of over 58k NEWTONS
lone hatch
Can u chill little boy?
barren zephyr
You think it isnt realistic for rex to break bones?
lone hatch
Yes
barren zephyr
..
Ok then it isnt realistic for a crocodile to break bones either
or even an anky
to break bones
You are just whining
at this point
north mulch
Depends on prey bones but that’s a bit too in depth
brazen wolf
mabeAfter3Or4Bite.GigaShouldBreakBonesTooThen
valid zephyr
Rex apparently had bone break when it was removed from everything else due to not being able to catch things without it. Now it has bone break, and is super fast.
barren zephyr
Giganotosaurus bite force only reached 10k newton
10k newtons.
compare that to 58k newtons
faint vector
@barren zephyr dude you immediately discredit yourself whenever insulting people to prove your point.
lone hatch
Anky with this shit on tail should break legs easly like pachy but for smaller dinos
barren zephyr
..
north mulch
Yeah but it’s sandbox atm
barren zephyr
That club. has TONS of force.
north mulch
Hey won’t focus
barren zephyr
A single hit from that would break any leg instantly
north mulch
Ankys could kill rexes irl
lone hatch
Ye
north mulch
Broken leg=no hunting
barren zephyr
It could turn bones into dust
north mulch
Starvation
white torrent
Yessss but it’s NOT in survival
barren zephyr
same thing to Tyrannosaurus
north mulch
Sadly it’s not
barren zephyr
58k newtons aka 8 pounds of bite force per teeth square inch
white torrent
They don’t ahge anyone who cares about non survival animals yet
I agree someone should get on that
brazen wolf
ThenItShouldNotBeFast
north mulch
Yes but we are still allowed to talk about it
barren zephyr
CanYouStopWritingLikeThisReeee
brazen wolf
ItShouldGetBackIt'sOlderSpeed
barren zephyr
No it needs 28 speed
not 26
26 is too slow
It needs to be able to catch stuff but just not as crazy as rn
brazen wolf
NotAsFastAsAllo
north mulch
Ambush preds don’t run down prey
barren zephyr
Thats why Tyrannosaurus is better as an endurant predator
north mulch
Hence ambush
brazen wolf
NowTheTRexIsFasterThenGiga
north mulch
True but it’s being fondled rn
brazen wolf
WhatYouSayAboutThat
north mulch
It’s a favorite so
north mulch
IT SHOULDVE NEVER BEEN IN
They don’t think about other dinos sometimes
They know when they make rex faster than giga
barren zephyr
Yes they do.
Can you read the patch. PLEASE
It easily says they are gonna balance
north mulch
I’d hope the devs know their own dinos speeds
brazen wolf
CanYOuGiveMETheLinkToPatch
north mulch
MY POINT being it should’ve never been messed with
barren zephyr
@north mulch Cough if they knew Tyrannosaurus being faster would be actually realistic
brazen wolf
CozIT'sUselessPlayingGigaNow
barren zephyr
because "leg proportions"
true haven
rex isnt
north mulch
I’m talking about all dinos
brazen wolf
IfRexSeesGigaIt'sDoomed
barren zephyr
<@&401466542140817419>
true haven
rex is the judge
north mulch
It’s not JUST hurting the giga
Rex is too fast and shouldn’t be messed with tbh
It’s thicc already
true haven
rex need to be less faster
barren zephyr
Return of the Giga
With the return of the Giga, this marks the final roster for the next two months. We know Giga is a big point of contention because he's as large as the tyrannosaur but we don't want them to just be the same creature. With his reintroduction, a wrench may be thrown into the niches of both his prey and other competing predators. We will be adjusting stats over the next week or so to get every survival dinosaur into a stable position of being able to stay alive both in solo-play and in groups. Please be sure to leave feedback inside the official Discord.[discord.gg]
true haven
should be sloer
barren zephyr
"We will be adjusting stats over the next week or so to get every survival dinosaur into a stable position of being able to stay alive both in solo-play and in groups"
north mulch
Baby
true haven
ueaj
north mulch
Giga isn’t the only one being run down
Is the point
Why make rex faster outta no where?
It was fine before
My point being dont fix what’s not broken
north mulch
No
Not to run down everything true
It’s stam was fine tho could stam some prey down
lone hatch
No sense with breaking legs but if u wanna this make it to 30%
north mulch
^^
true haven
yeah a little bit
the old speed is kinda like u run in a treadmill XD
u wont move so far
north mulch
Rex is powerful sure but it makes some dinos useless to grow
north mulch
They will fix it
north mulch
But doesn’t mean I can’t question why it was messed with
true haven
they will
barren zephyr
Tyrannosaurus has the strongest bite force of any living animal on earth if you think a bite with over 58k Newtons wouldnt turn somethings bones into DUST then a crocodile's bite is nothing for you aswell
true haven
XD
lone hatch
Everything is useless when rex is on server now xD
north mulch
Just like I could bite a bird and break it
north mulch
Collision would be so interesting
true haven
u can hit rex
barren zephyr
You guys are overexagerating shit. once rex gets speed nerfed you'll not complain this much
north mulch
I’d probably have more offspring
true haven
and it will be like the prey instead when he fall
north mulch
rex players have been getting what they want anytime they whine so I’ll sure as hell whine too and hope I do
But
Back to suggestion
Bb should be a thing for rex
But having all that power
And speed
Shouldn’t be messed with
They have records of dinos and KNOW
barren zephyr
Just nerf rex's speed to 28
and keep its ambush to 33
but make nits stam
Its stam to be shit
north mulch
When they put it faster than other dinos
That could be doable
Idc about rex as much as more as useless dinos in survival. I just hope they tweak dinos and keep in mind how it balances others
lone hatch
I hope giga will has some chance with rex I mean 1v1 or 2v1
barren zephyr
It shouldnt
rex is meant to destroy it head on
Its gonna be faster than rex soon
north mulch
But rex always winning makes it boring lmao
north mulch
No risk
barren zephyr
Its meant to always win 1v1
north mulch
No strategy
north mulch
useless
barren zephyr
You dont have muscle mass enough to fight another megatheropod with more mass and much more bite force
north mulch
I like challenge but that’s just me
barren zephyr
You are supposed to be HUNTING
valid zephyr
giga should lose to rex in a fight, but should be able to have the speed to bug off when a rex shows up
north mulch
I mean in general
barren zephyr
Giga shouldnt have a chance head on
north mulch
There’s no strategy against anything with a rex
barren zephyr
BECAUSE YOU ARENT MEANT TO
north mulch
Calm down lmao
lone hatch
Haha
barren zephyr
Its too good
north mulch
I kinda like it but it’s also unfair
unborn quail
Instead of complaining right off the bat how about you wait for the other buffs coming too
void kiln
allos last two buffs were unneccesary
north mulch
What was it before 400?
barren zephyr
350
void kiln
300
unborn quail
It wasn't busted.
Allo was in a great place
It was everything around it that was fucked
north mulch
I think they mean beefy
valid zephyr
allo was top of the meta last patch before the damage buff
north mulch
Is sucho still supposed to be bully?
unborn quail
Wrong, That would be Rex