Yea, it would
#general-feedback-discussion
knotty spindle
You can't even cancel out of the animation so it makes you extremely vulnerable
the Rex animation lasts at least 5 seconds
and is somewhat loud
mint gull
Mhm
jovial arch
@lime oasis upvoting your own suggestion is uneeded
lime oasis
sorry is good idea and most people wont like something that others dont like so got to make then realise its good idea😛
pure copper
Most carnivores don’t attack groups of large herbs head on to begin with when they’re close together unless they’re an apex chasing down paras and the group loses their nerve
clear turret
Should add another Apex carnivore to survival since there is only one. Idk, maybe like a Giganotosaurus or something? That would be cool. I seem to remember something like it being in game maybe, 2 whole weeks ago. But maybe I'm the crazy one?
uncut zenith
@clear turret giga was removed bc it's being reworked, it's said to be coming back next patch
clear turret
I know m8, I'm making a funny
knotty spindle
@jovial hazel
"A fix to where general chat is useable for more then 20+ people"
Can you elaborate?
Is it unusable because 20+ people spam the chat? Or does it only show messages from a few people and others' don't show up? If Other people's messages don't even show up, that could be a bug.
pulsar lake
The pachy speed boost okay @barren zephyr BUT the para need not 36.5 but 33.4
Just be little more speeder than allo and sucho, because cerato is slower than allo and such.
vestal rune
@elfin crystal We had servers with players over 100 in the past, however these were rather unstable so the devs decided to keep it at 100. In the future with further optimization it may be possible and to be stable but for now it's not.
Also I never really have problems with finding people
manic ibex
I'm ok with a Pachy speed boost, IF it also get a nerf to its stam and stam regen. You can't have everything
tawny dust
@pulsar dagger go on a sandbox server and use the same colors on the sub adult model as you pick on you juvi in survival so you can see
manic ibex
the EU2 server is on the way @kindred dagger
pulsar dagger
@tawny dust Yeah I thought of that but it's a bit of a pain going back and forth, and the servers I play on are full most of the time so getting back into it would be difficult
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr people will use it to turn around and murder the carni
severe walrus
@compact matrix lol good catch
native nebula
@urban raven we originally tried having custom stamina icons for each class on the main HUD but there were concerns it'd be confusing to players, so the HUD was standardized to always look the same regardless of class. Since the character info screen is supposed to give more detailed info, the individual species footprints are used there instead, although the screen is still subject to change so who knows if they'll stick around.
valid zephyr
@reef merlin why would alt turn be removed. animals can turn on the spot in real life.
they can also go backwards
leaden night
@reef merlin Stop trying to fight a Triceratops and also their walk turn is better than their alt-turn
So removing it doesn't help your illogical choice
reef merlin
i was defending my baby
but i remembered quickly alt turn are on for official haha
he attacked us at the pond im not going to let him kill my baby for free
was a good laugh anyway XD
jovial arch
If he’s chasing your baby
The strat here is not to run at and attack him
Just get behind him and ghost him
brisk mesa
^^^^^^
Harass it...
your goal isnt to kill the trike, it's to buy time for your baby to escape
leaden night
^
jovial skiff
and why fight a Triceratops as a allo
I'd run away instead of fighting something that can probably one shot u with bleed
wintry cipher
a trike that uses alt turn is a shit trike >.> also. yes. get behind it. if it wants to chase your baby its going to have to deal with you biting at its ass.
wintry cipher
you dont actually have to bite you just gotta get close enough to make them uncomfortable. theyre only going for the baby because they can. they dont want to get injured so they will get defensive if you nip them. did that as a utah vs gigas when they tried getting my hatchlings even. it always works.
just need to buy the baby enough time to hide, and if you were out in the open well thats your own fault
need to stick to treelines to hide them
jovial skiff
Make the fat trike run out of stam too
they can't regen stam while standing
harass it
don't let it sit down
mighty girder
Why are allos hunting trikes and getting salty that they die lol
jovial skiff
¯_(ツ)_/¯
wintry cipher
this isnt about allos hunting trikes this was a case of an inexperienced mother trying to defend their kid (scroll up and you will see). different scenario.
but if the trike stopped to alt turn that means it wasnt chasing the baby. so moot point
jovial arch
Allos can hunt trikes just not solo
jovial skiff
Keit either way
it'd work
don't let it get stams
harass it
it'd stop it from chasing ur child
if u can make it run out of stam
ur child can run away and u can meet up back with it
when ur done giving ur young time
so ye
mighty girder
if I had a dollar for everytime someone had posted that dumb igaunodon clip here I'd be able to get myself a nice blizzard from DQ z-z
jovial skiff
Im thinking that the combat overhaul would solve it and probably replace Alt turning from what I've heard
mighty girder
we're def going 2
they've said before that its pretty bad with how stuff is atm, hence why they want to do a full revamp
Even if they dont do collision, alt turn isnt just for combat
its for getting out of certain areas as well
jovial skiff
like at the edge of a mountain
if I had a dollar for someone asking for walking back
I'd get 23$
unborn wraith
gally sould be omnivore like in real life but like it could be blanced some how and eat buggs what would be in serent areas and a certent bug and eat eggs ,
split notch
Omnivores have been denied multiple times iirc. But if it were to happen in some capacity, it would probably just be them being able to eat gore meshes, or maybe fish
pearl yoke
It’d be relatively weak so it’s not an easy to feed powerhouse
Yeah
Hoping for a mod
jovial arch
yeah trike needs to give more food trike doesn't even give as much as rex apparently
jovial arch
yeah
pearl yoke
I knew Rex gave a lot
jovial arch
i feel like it should give like
umbral prairie
didn't trike give less than a juvie giga
jovial arch
125% of rex
barren zephyr
even tho
pearl yoke
But trikes so round
jovial arch
yeah
bold fjord
jovial arch
imo doesn't really make a lot of sense
jovial arch
🤷
umbral prairie
the food values are pretty weird rn, but I think the devs know that and will fix it later
umbral prairie
yeah trike used to give a lot, then it gave less than some juvies, idk how it is atm
but think it's still weird
pearl yoke
Juvie Rex is a whole months worth
pearl yoke
I feel like corpse/ gore decay should be longer too
jovial arch
sub trike doesn't give a lot
uncut zenith
adult rexes can't eat trike ribs, but they can eat maia's ribs?
how does that make sense when the trike is the 'apex'
native nebula
@knotty spindle that's an intentional tradeoff. you have to consider whether you want to see better or track better.
leaden night
@trail tide Local man already starts suggestion with an inaccuracy
Triceratops doesn't outrun rex in anyway shape or form
severe walrus
yes it does
trail tide
I literally watched one chase an adult rex down.
Rex got a speed nerf. Lol @leaden night
leaden night
Why the fuck did rex get a speed nerf
leaden night
trail tide
^
leaden night
Triceratops' greatest mostly comes from adult rex being trash
trail tide
Yea, but if they can see a Rex and chase it down and murder it, kinda dumb.
jovial arch
well
the other day i was in an allo horde
and we killed 2 trikes with only 1 loss
so
there's that
technically 4 trikes but 1 was a juvie and another was a sub
tepid echo
Who else would like a server queue to join function?
minor basalt
2 trikes with only 1 loss? How the hell
they must've been terrible considering their turn and massive hitbox
jovial arch
epsilon one wasn't full adult but one was
barren zephyr
@worn rover wh o t
allos are considered the best survival dinos atm
for canivores
worn rover
Like i said from what I've noticed maybe I've had very unfortunate circumstances
barren zephyr
you prolly had
fickle root
@tribal kayak they are working more more to be added later they need time to add them
tribal kayak
@fickle root hope so...game is fun but its repetitive if you keep chosing the same specie over and over.
fickle root
they are just making new models for everything coming like spino stego are some of the confirmed one that i know are coming
restive summit
Plus adding in new species requires a lot of work and money, and they want to get the game actually functioning the way they want before they throw in more models
Which means mechanics, the code rework, affinity, combat, ect ect
jovial arch
let's just be real tho
if you want trike to be unsafe
it's gonna be pretty bad
i think trike is fine as it is rn
to be unsafe you'd either have to make its turning worse or it's stats worse, and half the community would freak out if it happened
nerf the stats and it becomes rex chow, nerf the turn and utahs and dilos will pick trikes apart easily
tawny dust
@leaden night and @trail tide i've very late but eh, i justed tested on a deathmatch server and adult rex is still faster than trike :I
shut gale
@jovial arch making it so low weight dinos don't inflict damage or bleed on things like the trike would fix that. and they could still nerf the turn radius. making it so a pack of allos for example could hunt one
jovial arch
I dunno about that
The game rn is Rock Paper Scissors shoot
Small tiers beat apexes beat mid tiers beat small tiers
void kiln
try alt turn
jovial arch
Small tiers being relegated to just handling juvies would be boring
lime olive
and annoying
jovial arch
And Sean wym
void kiln
just in my experience apexes dont get fucked by small tier if they use alt turn
jovial arch
Well
void kiln
without alt turn ye, apexes get killed by small tier
jovial arch
I’d disagree, I’ve seen apexes get dismantled on alt turn servers
But even then
Regardless of whether apexes are beaten by small tiers small tiers can easily outrun apexes and just steal their ai
void kiln
ye starving them out is a viable tactic but alt turn servers dont mean your opponent uses alt turn... ive seen plenty of people get ass riden on official servers just cause they were noobs
biggest prob a the moment is hat you bleed out after any way
jovial arch
Well, admittedly, the sort of players that know how to pack hunt effectively are extremely rare. I’d say in general a max skill pack should beat most things
But uh
No ones that good
And it’s extremely rare you actually get 3-4 players together that know what they’re doing
Which is what you need
void kiln
ye every allo pack i join recently gets themselves killed in 5 mins or less
jovial arch
Yeah
void kiln
''lets kill the trike''
jovial arch
They just run straight at whatever they’re hunting or don’t go in at the right time
void kiln
ye no one seems to know you need a distraction on one end before you attack the other....
jovial arch
Yeah
barren zephyr
@candid thorn the first dinosaur was megalosaurus so
we need more ceratosaurs
like masiakasaurus or skorpiovenator
frail cargo
@real whale yeah no
All trexes would die from no food
And bite force doesn’t translate to damage like that
manic ibex
Dryo is planned to have a night vision almost as good as Dilo's. And about the venom, I'm quite sad to tell you this, but @valid zephyr is right. Dilo will not have any special mechanic for its venom, that's just bleed damage.
ocean vortex
rip
its satisfying to hit a juvie and walk away slowly and see it plop onto the floor
clever leaf
didnt they say that the bleed from dilo will still be able to kill you?
ocean vortex
@clever leaf you may have, but I have not
ocean vortex
yeah because it's super reliant on bleed more than other dinos, which makes sense
I can see it still surviving past the nerf, but it would be less fun to play, and would not very good at stalking herds anymore
clever leaf
Even other bleeders have plenty of base dmg to afford not having their bleed kill
not quite the case with dilo even with its 50 dmg buff
manic ibex
no, that was just a suggestion that several people made, me included @clever leaf
clever leaf
ah
ocean vortex
RIP little hit-and-run nightmare
I'll miss the days where juvies bleed and are surrounded by the parents hoping it lives, and then it just dies
that is one of the most satisfying deaths to watch as a carnivore
white torrent
This might be a’little bit of an unpopular opinion but does anyone else think the current trike model is kinda ugly?
ocean vortex
only the back
white torrent
Hm?
I don’t like the face
The way the beak looks, and the neck, and the skin under the lower jaw
white torrent
Everyone can complain about anything lol
ocean vortex
the only reason why I dont like the back is because at certain textures, a glitchy strip appears
white torrent
Also the beak can be changed
If you look at a lot of trike skeletons, yog can see there isn’t such a weird...gap
Maybe is a style choice
ocean vortex
I'm certain the deep seam found on TI's Triceratops is the the area where the teeth are stored
white torrent
Heaven knows they went with style when they made the v2 allo, hah
ocean vortex
surprisingly enough a lot of TI's survival dinos are nearly scientifically accurate
with some exclusions such as the utahraptor
Carnotaurus being the most accurate out of all the dinosaurs, fitting every body plan the real creature had, including its ability to run at incredible speeds
white torrent
Oh, I’m not saying they aren’t accurate
I just don’t like the model
It’s not a bad model, it’s better then anything I’ll ever do
ocean vortex
when you talk about this 'gap' are you referring to the antorbital fenestra or the molar seam
white torrent
Mm, hold on
I’m not knowledge able about the what the parks of a trike skull are name, so sorry about that 😅
When the mouth is closed, and yuh look at the trike from a profile view, the tip of the upper jaws beak and the lower jaw leave a large gap that looks funky in my opinion, I’ll try to grab a picture but I’m not home atm
ocean vortex
I think you're referring to the molars
if you look at a triceratops' skull, its beak is clenched with many grinding molars
that large gap is probably the skin that covers over the teeth
white torrent
Alright
This is what I’m talking abut btw
Just how much the upper beak hangs out over the bottoms
Always looked weird for me I guess
ocean vortex
oh
yeah they had an overbite irl
but yeah TI's triceratops' overbite is a bit exaggerated, but, it's still similiar
wintry cipher
Think of it like a shovel for roots and tubers.
white torrent
Alright
It does look exaggerated, and I know they did have an over bite, but the way it hang out to that extent kinda bothers me
ocean vortex
you know what annoys me the most though?
the trot animations of every dino in the game...
these dinos are like behemoths, thousands of pounds in weight and stuff
and their trot animations make them look like they're made out of air
they look so weirdly nimble when they trot
blazing charm
@scarlet root Acro needs more than just some stat changes to be considered for Survival.
white torrent
Agreed
Agreed with both of you- the acro and the trot things
Hell some of the runs
The diablo run makes this giant ceratopsian look light as a feather
The allo’s trot makes it feel like a lion sized animal
Meanwhile it’s a thirty foot long monster
scarlet root
@blazing charm i know it but they do changes for rexes why they can't see there is many dinos.. not only rex
umbral prairie
they mostly do changes for existing survival dinosaurs
next nexus
because rex is in survival
blazing charm
They change any animal that is in Survival.
next nexus
acro isnt in survival, if it does come it will be completely overhauled
blazing charm
Rex isn't the only one who was gotten huge changes recently.
umbral prairie
they won't put acro in survival anytime soon, it would need a big rework to be a viable creature
scarlet root
@next nexus what about shants, alberto that two was deleted from survival its time to add again
blazing charm
Hopefully they'll find a place for it.
@scarlet root You mean the injections?
Wait, Alberto?
next nexus
they are not in survival, if they do come they will be completely overhauled
blazing charm
Now I'm confused.
next nexus
how is this a hard concept
scarlet root
@blazing charm how long you playing this game ?
next nexus
oh here we go
white torrent
Is the rex getting a new batch of animations?
blazing charm
white torrent
Ah heck yeah
The rexes animations friggin suck rn lol. Well the walk a good
Just the running looks WEIRD
next nexus
@vernal siren dinosaur only servers will be a thing later down the line if you dont want humans in your game, unknown if any official servers will be dino only but we'll have to see
white torrent
probably
lament thorn
I think there'll be at least 1
white torrent
A lot of people will be wanting dino only servers
vernal siren
^
white torrent
Humans are going I be very very annoying occurrence
vernal siren
Yeah, I can see people wanting Humans, but I see WAY more people not wanting them
blazing charm
I'm still waiting for what Wiru was gonna say.
white torrent
Agreed
vernal siren
@next nexus Thank you for the response anyway my man!
white torrent
Well I kinda agree about the acro stuff. I just don’t like it atm. I can see why it’s not gonna be changed any time soon
Because survival stuff
But right now, for sandbox players such as myself..it’s annoying when your an allo, and you get chased down by a Goliath acro 😂
vernal siren
And by the way, as long as the Devs are fully aware of that people's will (of Dinos only) it's a step in the right direction already.
white torrent
Honestly
I like the idea of tribal humans
The merc’s are an eh, in my opinion, mostly because guns will be op. But I can see how human game play can be fun
People will of course abuse if
*it, and the devs can’t stop that
white torrent
They will when a big group of humans find them
warped harbor
You will hope you won't have to use them
lament thorn
Ammo is gonna be rare
Shooting a creature will likely only happen if your life depends on it
warped harbor
Dinosaurs will remain the most efficient things as they are guaranteed to get better with time
white torrent
People always find a way to abuse it, that’s just what people do
warped harbor
I can see it being a little abusable in the very first version of the game with public and working humans
But even then, point still stands... You are signing to be fucked when you pick mercenary
As a tribal, maybe a bit less
vestal rune
well tribals are actually adapted to the enviroment the same way the dinosa re
white torrent
Mercs will probably have access to buildings
warped harbor
Who's to say something else isn't inhabiting them?
lament thorn
Cause the mercs don't really compete with dinos without big guns
^ a base isn't only a good place for humans but a great area for the smaller dinos
So entering a building and being jumped by a family of utahs is probably gonna happen more then you'd like
white torrent
Well they might give them special access you know?
Just so human players will have something while they are defenseless
warped harbor
Mercenaries will spawn in with "something" but they will have to look for other things if they want to survive
white torrent
Most likely a small firearms
warped harbor
They won't be completely destroyed the moment they spawn in but they won't be cocky little apes either
vestal rune
nah I believe dondi said mercenaries will only have a knife and flashlight
white torrent
I hope not
white torrent
That’s a death sentence
warped harbor
And I think also a pistol with minimal ammo
vestal rune
I've never heard him say that
warped harbor
I remember others saying it, but it doesn't really matter what anybody says prior to their release, it's all going to be fine tuned later
vestal rune
ye
I mean there's very minimal difference as it's only if you can survive 0 or 1 encounter lol
you're still gonna try and avoid encounters as much as possible, almost buying "survival points" by finding more weapons and ammos
warped harbor
Human progression is going to be much different and probably difficult as only "surviving" ain't gonna cut it
Sitting your ass in a building (similarly to how dinosaurs sit in bushes) won't do anything for you as no other ammo or guns will magically appear and your hunger and thirst will only decrease
vestal rune
ye...
white torrent
Mhm
vestal rune
wow... that suggestion is uh...
white torrent
Humans will probably be the only omnivores in the game, huh?
wintry oracle
but the merc tho might have food in the buildings?
umbral prairie
@lone hatch would be abused for food
white torrent
Which brings me to this
vestal rune
rex isn't OP, if anything it's actually underpowered lol
white torrent
I wonder if there will be different classes of tribals and mercs
wintry oracle
probably with time but not rigt away
vestal rune
there was concept art of such a thing in the past, idk now
wintry oracle
right now i think there’s only one model for each
white torrent
Tribals have hunter and gatherer things, and humans will have mercenaries and researchers
vestal rune
we haven't seen any models for the humans I don't think
the placeholder tribal model is definetly temporary, idk about the merc model though
white torrent
We have for the mercenaries, and we have concept art of the horribly mutated(possibly inbred) tribals
vestal rune
has there been concept art for the final product?
white torrent
I believe so
vestal rune
I've only seen just basic concept art from a wihle ago
actually yes I remember
dondi showed it in his QA stream
white torrent
Being inbred would explain why they are mutated and so violent
vestal rune
hmm I also think there's some lore reasons for that too
white torrent
I wonder how much variation the humans will have beyond basic skin coloring(black, white, Mexican) all that
That’s why I brought up human classes
A berry gatherer night look different than a hunter
*might
I remember when they had horse models in the test level 😂
Utah raptor hunting a horse ridden tribal
Whack haha
Wait I worded that wrong
vestal rune
@lone hatch There's gonna be a more complex spawning system in the future, for now you can just nest. V3 is just fine, could use a little more players but tbh even that's not even true. Rex is not OP, from what I heard it's actually struggling. We don't need more dinos, Quality>Quantity. Rex needs bb... or it won't be able to hunt anything. More AI are very much planned. Idk about how giga is now, hopefully it will be better too. And no.... just no... Quetz and hypos are broken and not ready
white torrent
A tribal ridden horse
Trex being op? In damage yes but
It’s far from op
As a creature
Spinosaurus kills it, a decent sized dilo pack can get the job done
A single trike can unleash a can of whoopass on a pair of rexes
waxen elk
Seeing people still say a Utahraptor should survive Allosaurus lowers my faith in humanity tbh.
vestal rune
matchups against non-survival dinos don't matter
also he needs the stam to find food for his insatiable appetite
lone hatch
but his dmg, stam, breaking legs..
vestal rune
are things that counteract his flaws of Hilariously slow speed, Intense hunger needs and overall clunkiness
all dinos have their ups and downs dude
it's how you balance them
umbral prairie
of course it is hard to fight a rex solo as long as you aren't a trike/rex, but it's really not op, even a bunch of decent dilos can kill a rex atm
vestal rune
ye... like I said, rexes if anything need a buff
umbral prairie
damage is what makes rex a viable creature
languid ember
no, ai is what makes rex somewhat viable lol
umbral prairie
ok, damage is what should make rex a viable creature
but it isn't at the moment because food values and balancing of are weird atm
languid ember
rex ambush buff wen
vestal rune
doesn't rex have a semi-decent abmush?
umbral prairie
hopefully rex gets better with the new anims it'll get
languid ember
rex ambush is garbage
vestal rune
it should be really slow with a fast and quick ambush
leaden night
Rex ambush doesn't even catch Dibble
languid ember
rex ambush is like 15 cm/s faster than giga base run
waxen elk
Fast short ambush
umbral prairie
also rex has endurance-hunter like stam but is too slow to be one
languid ember
give it better ambush 
languid ember
it's not an endurance hunter tho
coarse shell
@restive viper flyers are easily abused and exploitable
they never were in the game, it was just a test run
as far as ive heard the devs have a way to make them viable, they just wont share it
vestal rune
they don't wanna raise hopes in case it doesn't work lmao
jovial skiff
Im just reading these suggestions
unborn wraith
@restive viper they where in the game along time ago only 1 a qetzul
lament thorn
They weren't actually 'in the game' it was just for testing
mental sleet
meh
limpid dove
any reason why I got pinged
vestal rune
@fathom idol honestly what are you on about?
just because people complain means they can't be ingame?
restive summit
"People complain too much and want all the herbivores nerfed so lets just removed them all together from survival so they have nothing to complain about"
But. Why though.
fathom idol
Herbs were never ment to be playable remember...
restive summit
Not true
leaden night
Actually he is correct
restive summit
Thought it was a rumor?
leaden night
Originally the game was planned to only have 3 playables
leaden night
Herbivores are here and playable now
vestal rune
^
leaden night
And that won't change
vestal rune
same with every other dino lmao
restive summit
I still do not see a reason to remove the herbivores from survival just because babies are whining about not being able to 1v1 a Trike as a Carno
fathom idol
Im just saying that carn players will keep on b*** about herbs needing a nerf because they cant kill them. Well.. if you make em AI, the big ones i mean, they can kill them and then they dont have to complain about it.
restive summit
But that punishes all the people who play Isle for the herbivores for no reason????
vestal rune
they'll still complain about the herbs because they'll still be ingame...
that literally makes no sense
fathom idol
Trust me im playing a ton of herbs but its the herbs that get nerved all the time
restive summit
And?
pure copper
All I saw was “remove Herbivores from survival”
So you’re gonna let people play a whole subdivision of dinosaurs for 3 years then take it out? Bad idea hombre
restive summit
People will ALWAYS complain, even if you take Herbivores out they will move on to complaining about eachother, it's human nature to whine and bitch
vestal rune
herbivore players complain about carnivores, by the exact same logic we should remove carnivores
restive summit
^
pure copper
The whole “herbs were never meant to be playable thing” was before the games release
That’s ancient history my homie
restive summit
Ancient and outdated
leaden night
Though carnivores tend to avoid being fully nerfed into the ground
vestal rune
like legit every dino was not meant to be playabl at one point
it was originally meant to be only humans
pure copper
Nesting wasn’t meant to be in at one point
vestal rune
and look at it now
restive summit
To be fair, in nature, predators only succeed like 1 out of every 10 hunts or something, depending on the animal, so I'd honestly like to see Carnivores work for their food, I'd like to see more mechanics for ambush, more "you have to time this right" stuff.
But we can't get everything we want, and whatever is coming to the game that we are unaware of will get here when it gets here
If a pack of allo's were coordinated enough and timed each attack right and took me down as a Trike main, I'd be fucking overjoyed. Like, godamn good job, pat on the back, you deserve my dead body.
I wouldn't cry and bitch that I died
valid zephyr
i still here the herbis being removed line on a regular basis
pure copper
Kindve annoying
restive summit
Yeah it is
valid zephyr
pretty sure it aint true due to brand new ones being brought out to play
fathom idol
They wont be, its just a suggestion
pure copper
It’s literally just “I died because this herd wouldn’t let me eat one of their members , remove herbs plz”
fathom idol
If you make the so called OP herbs AI, nobody will complain about dying to them, thats the point
restive summit
Stego is getting a remodel, as well as being tossed into survival, as well as them mentioning Kentro is being updated and used in the future.
So they certainly aren't going to remove any if they are still working on new ones.
Part of what makes this game fun is BEING hunted.
spiral turret
@slate pecan
Imagine your are a Rex and there is a dryo/lone utah preventing you from logging for 40 minutes.
pure copper
We’re in waaaaay too deep for Herbivores to be completely removed from the main game with no repercussions (and no before you mention sandbox nobody cares about that because it’s an aimless dumpster with no meaning to life)
restive summit
I yodeled so damn loud when a Giga ambushed me at night as a Maia and one shot me, my folks ran in the room thinking someone broke through my window and murdered me.
This game is supposed to make you jump. What better way to do that then be the prey.
fathom idol
And i know its not going to happen, but im just saying it because people now keep on trash talking diablos and trikes because they already can facetank paras.
spiral turret
you aren't going to catch it, and its probably never going to kill you. It just would force you to alt f4 and wait the 5 minutes to get out.
restive summit
So if I trash talk you enough will they remove you @fathom idol
That is your logic right now
And no you cannot facetank a Para, para is a useless lump of lard right now, sit down boy
fathom idol
But its the truth. Para got a kick in the balls, hes USELESS now, he cant even run away anymore. If you do that to trike, hes not worth 6 hours of growing
vestal rune
I trash talk like every carnivore as a herbi because I find it fun lmao
restive summit
^
vestal rune
Para was being adjusted for being WAY to ridiculous
it was just over adjusted
it'll likely be fixed in the future
restive summit
Para is not FINISHED being adjusted I'm sure, so maybe don't complain when the game is legit still EA and everything is always changing or being tweaked
pure copper
Don’t be gentle it was hit in the knees with a bat
fathom idol
He was ridiculous because people were working in groups. Herbs were all gathering at the rock, and one allo isnt gonna do mutch then. Herb rock is gone now, so the nerf was unnessecary because you wont find any large KOS herb groups anymore
jovial skiff
no matter if theres nerfs or buffs
fathom idol
There we go...trike again...so were gonna nerf him again too? So a rex can one or two shot them again? Is that ANY fair to the players who invest 6 hours into this dinosaur?
pure copper
You can Kos asa Lot of creatures , some more efficiently than others
jovial skiff
theres gonna be kos groups
leaden night
Para being fixed in the future 
restive summit
Unless they add in some sort of server setting that limits your group numbers per species, then add in a comfort system so overcrowding weakens or lowers your Health, we will continue to see large megapacks and megaherds. Just be patient, changes are on the way.
restive summit
Exactly
pure copper
At shant rock it’s an open field with food at the forest edges , that means a huge open space where predators can be spotted
restive summit
So sit your arse down and wait xD
jovial skiff
Affinity would discourage Mega packs
pure copper
Trying to rush them in broad daylight when you’re not fast enough to evade is a bad idea
restive summit
Honestly non of the creatures will be properly balanced until we get our new systems and mechanics in
jovial skiff
and Combat overhaul
fathom idol
But thats what people did, and died, and complained, and got what they wanted
restive summit
Yeah, and I bet you AFTER the new overhauls and mechanics Para will be adjusted PROPERLY
restive summit
^
vestal rune
Crazy that's not what happened lol
jovial skiff
unless u have friends
vestal rune
people provide feedback, devs review it and decide if they should take it
para was actually overpowed because it was way too fast and strong
jovial skiff
^
vestal rune
they decided to take it down a notch but did it too much
it's likely gonna bounce back up in a near update
jovial skiff
I would make Para faster than Giga at least
fathom idol
He wont be, because then other people say they cant catch it
restive summit
I had a herd of me and 2 other Para, fully grown, been on the server for hours growing, finally find a nice spot to eat and potentially nest, and a Sucho (before the recent patch) murdered all 3 of us, outran us too even though we had a head start.
Was I salty? Yeah. Did I complain? Yeah.
Do I care now? Not really.
You know why???
Because the game isn't done yet.
vestal rune
no... he will...
jovial skiff
tbh I hope its not just Para that gets balanced
I hope it all the herbivore
Trike is at a good spot
Dibble and para got the nerf hard
restive summit
People who complain that they couldn't catch Para before it's speed nerf just weren't good at ambush and being concealed enough. You have to surround the damn thing so someone can cut it off and get bleed on it. It's called COORDINATIO. It's very useful
leaden night
Dibble needs 100-200 more raw and its fine
jovial skiff
ye
fathom idol
Ima, people complain about Diablo being to OP now .. theres always the next and then the next and then the next untill theres nothing left
restive summit
Did Dibble get nerfed? I didn't know :0
restive summit
Aw, poor potatoe
leaden night
It got nerfed a way long time ago
restive summit
Last time I checked you can assride Acro to death with Dibble
leaden night
Still can without alt-turn
jovial skiff
I remember when Allo first came out
fathom idol
Acro isnt survival
jovial skiff
and got destroyed by the potatoes
restive summit
Even with alt turn, Acro's face is pretty far out, if you stay by the ankles alt turn is useless
Just gotta be real careful my dudes
I'm talking about sandbox obviously
With the survival Dib
fathom idol
^
restive summit
Dib is in an okay spot imo, Gigs can p much melt one
But imo honestly
Every animal needs something it has to hide from
You cannot 1v1 everything, esp as a smol little dude like Diablo against a titan like Gig
You better hide and pray
fathom idol
I think the game was balanced before the last update but i wasnt playing carn so cant really judge in what spot allo and cerato and carno were
restive summit
Last update Sucho was eating everything that moved wym
leaden night
Yeet
restive summit
Sucho was swallowing Para's hole 😂
fathom idol
Well... guess we just have to wait and see. But i woudnt mind of bigger herbs would become AI only. To end this discussion about what is OP and what is not. I mean, hit a trike in the back, its dead..
restive summit
I always thought Sucho was a slow dude until I saw the Para nerf and watched him run me down like an ice cream truck
leaden night
Sucho is faster than Cerato rn
restive summit
I think I'd quit if bigger herbs became AI, I'm too much of a slut for Ceratopsians to tolerate that buffoonery
Trike is not a balloon animal either, you gotta WORK to hit a Trike in the back with his turn radius so godly
fathom idol
Turn radius .. hm jeah...needs to be adjusted then, made slower
or not
I DONT KNOW XD
fathom idol
It would be nice to have some sort of info chart on each dinosaur species what they can handle alone and what not
So people can kinda expect what they are getting into
Or maybe a combat tutorial
vestal rune
@brazen wolf they had servers with player slots over 150 in the past, however these were extremely unstable and as such they stick with 100
fathom idol
Jeah i remember these on the old v3...servers became really unstable after a few hours
vestal rune
maybe in the future with more optimizations we'll be able to have those servers
fathom idol
Isnt it the AI that keeps the devs from putting up servers with higher population slots?
tribal kayak
what AI? the AI spawn is horrible...if you rely on AI to spawn you ll die from starvation
coarse shell
@limpid dove late response but i pinged you by accident trying to ping someone else, sorry
severe walrus
@echo bridge there's servers like nycta that have rules to prevent the killing of entire herds and stuff
if a body drops then all combat stops there
no need to change key game mechanics to stop asshole players
it's realistic for massive carnivores to always be hungry
they have to sustain that mass somehow
pseudo falcon
@echo bridge I get where you're coming from but I feel it keeps the game for both parties more interesting. Idk about you but staying in a herd gets stale quick and you want things to try and hunt you.
@severe walrus agreed
severe walrus
and a large body will usually sustain any carnivore for a long time
long enough for them to start getting bored
echo bridge
I'm not annoyed about being the herd getting obliterated, that's part of the game and you shouldn't be mad about dying. What I'm more annoyed by is the fact an apex actually has to kill that much and that often to stay alive
pseudo falcon
Honestly people just need to stop caring so much about their dinosaurs. If anything I think the time it takes for dinos to age should be a editable value in servers to allow players to be fully grown quicker.
severe walrus
apexes realistically had to kill a lot to sustain themselves it's basic nature
the energy required to sustain 5 or 6 tons of weight was extreme
leaden night
Yes but one entire Allo is half a rex's hunger
echo bridge
You have to eat someone that spent 3 HOURS GROWING every 30 minutes
leaden night
Large animals aren't bloody shrews
severe walrus
okay?
echo bridge
It's hard not to see the problem with that
echo bridge
Especially when the map is so big everyone just hides in the corner
severe walrus
if you want to keep your damn dinosaur then assride them
leaden night
Thunk
pseudo falcon
I just think there are far better alternative solutions to your problem
leaden night
What does that have to do with anything
pseudo falcon
Bigger AI
pseudo falcon
Shorter Growth times
severe walrus
the current survival apexes are easy to kill if you aren't dumb
leaden night
Once more
severe walrus
so their hunger is basically acceptable in my eyes
leaden night
That is offtopic
severe walrus
since most of the time they're gonna be tackling things way too strong for them thinking they're OP
echo bridge
So they are easy to kill so garbage hunger balances them 🤔
pseudo falcon
Which feels super bad when you're a fully grown starving adult rex
severe walrus
or they're going to attack small creatures
this game isn't about having your feelings hurt because someone wasted 3 hours of your time to keep 7 hours of theirs alive
their hunger is realistic idk how else to say it
leaden night
No it isn't
severe walrus
yes it is
echo bridge
No it isnt
pseudo falcon
Oof
echo bridge
Can I use your time machine then?
severe walrus
🤦
hoary moth
their hunger would be realistic if there was enough of an ecosystem to feed them
pseudo falcon
🤦
leaden night
How does something over half its size barely fill something to half hunger
hoary moth
Going after AI/things that are too fast for adult rex, not so much
echo bridge
Thing is realism should be rarely prioritized to game balance
pseudo falcon
Which is why the solution would be to add bigger AI not reduce their hunger
severe walrus
a t-rex would need to consume around 500 KGs of protein a day to live
echo bridge
How much does an allo in game weigh again... 3.25 tons right?
hoary moth
2.8
severe walrus
an allo realistically isn't going to fill up an apex
hoary moth
what
leaden night
What
echo bridge
So that should theoretically last about 3-4 days by your math
hoary moth
do you think an allo weighs less than a rex needs to eat daily
pseudo falcon
I mean lions are smol bois and they eat a shit tone
echo bridge
A rex will eat all if it if its hunger is that demanding. Bones, meat, organs and all
severe walrus
then increase the hunger an allo fills
not to mention allos can easily fuck rexes but
you know
echo bridge
That's because lions often kill smaller, leaner, and less filling prey more than the dangerous ones
leaden night
How easily something fucks the other is pointless to this topic
pseudo falcon
True that
echo bridge
Thet have to eat more because they are in a pack, and they often eat smaller things
severe walrus
because an allo can kill a rex and reverse the situation on it
and your point on wasting hours of time
hoary moth
smaller animals also have relatively higher metabolism
leaden night
No it isn't
severe walrus
would you rather waste 7 to 8 hours to starving?
hoary moth
so they need to eat more proportionally
echo bridge
A solo allo can have fun killing a rex
brisk mesa
On official servers?
severe walrus
and a rex can have fun trying to kill apex herbivores your point
rex can't take on anything its size right now
brisk mesa
What.
severe walrus
unless they're really good
echo bridge
The problem is having to kill an allo every 30 minutes when 1 should feed you for days realistically in your terms
brisk mesa
Trex slaughters a Giga.
severe walrus
not if the giga is smart
pseudo falcon
I just think maia AIs would be a great solution
brisk mesa
That's around his size?
brisk mesa
Assride trike?
leaden night
Alt-turn is a fun thing
echo bridge
Trex slaughters anything in a fight if it kowns what its doing
severe walrus
rexes
brisk mesa
Well yeah
pseudo falcon
Trike turn radius 👌
severe walrus
rex has one advantage and that's BB
brisk mesa
Thought you said Giga assriding Trike
severe walrus
no
leaden night
Triceratops could assride anything
brisk mesa
Except Spino
leaden night
Excluding Galli and Spon
brisk mesa
severe walrus
spino isn't survival
pseudo falcon
$pino op
brisk mesa
Yeah ik.
leaden night
Anyway
echo bridge
Still tho the problem is having to eat medium sized dinosaurs every 30 minutes
severe walrus
30 minutes is a good time frame
echo bridge
And never being able to nest because you need food that often
severe walrus
and medium tier carnis are usually the only prey item available to apexes lmao
leaden night
No
severe walrus
everything else is either gonna not be nearby or be in a herd
echo bridge
Have fun nesting 1 person because you'll starve out by the time they can leave the nest
brisk mesa
^^^^
severe walrus
then why do you care if rexes are eating allos
leaden night
All of them are far faster than its ambush
echo bridge
Rex cant catch shit my dude, what drugs are you on
echo bridge
Because allos are the carbon copy mediums sized dinosaur
brisk mesa
Trex cannot catch something, why make it yield more? Just fattens up Gigas
severe walrus
exactly
leaden night
True
echo bridge
I even pasted maia and diablo in my suggestion if you read it
brisk mesa
Trex only ctaches Diablos
severe walrus
barely
echo bridge
Have fun getting that close as a rex tho
echo bridge
At least you can outstam it
hoary moth
I mean
severe walrus
you're obsessed with people losing '3 hours of work' for an allo when rexes can't even catch them?
and you say i'm intoxicated
ok
hoary moth
if rex can't catch anything we have bigger problems than how much an allo gives
brisk mesa
Mid tiers yielding more only feeds Giga plagues
Downsized gets it.
It's not that Trex starves too fast.
severe walrus
i've already stated rex needs like a .5 mph ambush buff
echo bridge
I'm saying the math doesn't add up not that I'm angry about dying
brisk mesa
It's he cannot catch shit.
He starves fast and would need to bully or scavenge because he's too slow, but cannot eat jackshit for gores
And nobody leaves carcasses just lying around.
echo bridge
And you cant smell them unless they are right next to you
brisk mesa
Yea
leaden night
This is why a scavenger niche fails hard in this game
brisk mesa
It's a speed problem
hoary moth
Rex not being able to eat gores is pretty ironic since it's like the best adapted dinosaur for bonebreaking
brisk mesa
Ikr
hoary moth
Could just crunch through the little ribcages lmao
severe walrus
it's been said you'll be able to sniff out bodies soon
and i hope rex gets better scent than a lot of other dinosaurs
echo bridge
Rex not eating sucho gores is one of the most frustrating things to see
brisk mesa
Look, honestly, I feel Trex would need something drastic, but problem is we'd have 2 options.
leaden night
Even then, wouldn't literally every other carnivore smell them
brisk mesa
A) copy-paste Giga's fix
B) make Trex the terminator with stupid Stamina levels
If you can't shake a Trex
it will run you down...
and make mincemeat of you.
Which feels suitably balanced and terrifying.
Shake off the slowest motherfucker.
leaden night
Just balance everything with realism so rex runs down everything at like 25mph
brisk mesa
begone
leaden night
brisk mesa
I mean, Giga's runtime is 2min 40sec right?
Imagine, keep Trex slow as he is, don't buff ambush, but a whopping 5min runtime.
leaden night
Spooky
echo bridge
Well maybe not increasing the mid teirs body values so gigas get more food but maybe trikes because it is surprisingly small for the effort you have to put in to kill one
brisk mesa
But if he doesnt lose track of you
he will eat your ass
Also
that would let Trex travel.
So they'd be less prone to be up shit's creek without a paddle
leaden night
Probably would have shit regen so it doesn't chase everything across the map
brisk mesa
I mean even with his current resting regen, he'd take a shitload of time
to fill bank up full stamina
His current regen is under 45sec iirc
and he has 110 runtime
If he has 300 sec runtime (5min)
regenning it will take him some time.
over 2min
leaden night
🤔
brisk mesa
Honestly, that feels like the best rendition of Trex, to truly make it unique and not inferior to Subrex
Bloody Terminator the dinosaur.
echo bridge
Yeah actually I like that
Buff rex speed by a small amount and give it a massive stam buff but keep the regen the same number as it is now basically
Wonder how giga is gonna work around that tho
echo bridge
Maybe a little bigger of a speed gap between the two and then rebalance everything elses speed around that
Hey Why Watt, you cool with me editing my suggestion and put what you said or do you want to make your own
brisk mesa
Nah Giga can fight back now.
Trex is not as untouchable, and while a lone Giga has big regrets
it would at least put a check on Gigas.
Giga and Diablo could use a buff
To compensate for such a Trex buff.
echo bridge
Honestly it might be better for you to sum it up, just threw this up here when I started thinking about it
brisk mesa
Yeah I'll post my idea on it's own
languid ember
Wyatt been typing for 15 mins, wall incoming
coarse shell
@brazen wolf more server slots means a more unstable server
jovial arch
I still want Giga nerfs
coarse shell
i'd prefer more servers than more slots tbh
jovial arch
Well as for how to fix this and nerf Giga is rather simple
Just buff Giga flat damage
brisk mesa
Yeah that's what I was going to propose but
jovial arch
Trike?
brisk mesa
didn't wanna start a potential bonfire
languid ember
good luck getting that approved from allo players
brisk mesa
Trike currently can beat Trex
brisk mesa
Nah, Threetails lemme hop on DM with you.
jovial arch
It doesn’t need more than like 3:30 to get the job done
languid ember
allo runs 3:20
brisk mesa
Oh, my bad but like
speed difference would give Allo a huge lead
He needs substantially more runtime, for example when Subrex out-stams a Maia
you basically have no gas left by the time you reach it
jovial arch
Wait a minute what
languid ember
i mean, that's almost double the giga runtime, so there's that old issue back again
vestal rune
the thing is, rex SHOULD be the ambush predator
waxen elk
Imo
brisk mesa
Why?
languid ember
should it though? it's only a game
vestal rune
because he's incredibly powerful and has bb?
brisk mesa
Trex is legit an endurance predator.
vestal rune
I'm talking about ingame
brisk mesa
Yes. But look at all needed to be a too effective ambush hunter
Long ambush time; High mult; high crouch speed; high trot speed
That's all the shit
Giga has.
vestal rune
no?
brisk mesa
You'd want new animations
vestal rune
well yes...
vestal rune
but you really only need a decent ambush to turn rex into a good ambush predator
clear turret
You won me over with the Garchomp v Megachomp comparison
brisk mesa
XD
languid ember
imo it would be cool to have two different playstyles for the apexes, instead of both just ambushing shit
jovial arch
I always saw rex as hunting apexes
vestal rune
well ye rex should be more suited to brawling with apex herbis
languid ember
nah, dilo is too fast for that
vestal rune
actually I guess he could work for an endurance predator
brisk mesa
With his speed.
languid ember
it's like 12 km/h faster and has good stam
brisk mesa
^^^^^^
Unless he happens to stumble upon
a Dilo migration
and they all burned their stamina
they are fine.
vestal rune
his bb would become a bit less useful as an endurance hunter though, since if he succeeds in running something down they're gonna be unable to escape anyways
jovial arch
With 2:20 of extra stam in the tank
brisk mesa
Well think of it as like, finishing something off instead of being vital to actually eat.
If you let the loudest
slowest carnivore
Keep track of you until you tired...
well, that's on you :P
jovial arch
What’s the point of bb tho
vestal rune
most herbivores aren't even suited to eating grass lol
jovial arch
What’s the point of his damage also
vestal rune
true
normal fern
So what would be an allos, diablos and paras counterplay to this exactly?
brisk mesa
If you have the stamina, the devs finally can remove that god forsaken shit
jovial arch
None
vestal rune
ye I guess like that we'll be able to remove bb entirely
normal fern
Just give up?
brisk mesa
No
jovial arch
They just die taco
brisk mesa
Breaking line of sight
vestal rune
the more I think about it the better it seems lmao
brisk mesa
Which would be easy given he's the slowest thing
Likewise being smart about their stamina
normal fern
Scent?
brisk mesa
Tracking footprints w/o blood
vestal rune
scent can be dealt with...
brisk mesa
isn't super reliable
white torrent
They are removing bone break??
brisk mesa
No.
jovial arch
Well then by that argument there’s no reason to buff Maia stam whywatt
vestal rune
like losing an apex isn't really that hard
brisk mesa
Erm
white torrent
That’s real dumb
brisk mesa
Maia is horribly out stammed
vestal rune
no...
jovial arch
Which is literally something you’ve suggested
normal fern
Not really
jovial arch
And this rex gorribly outstams at least 4 Dinos
brisk mesa
Threetails, ignore Giga and Diablo.
languid ember
and is also slower by a ton
jovial arch
Why
brisk mesa
For now, because I said those would need changes.
I acknowledge that.
Shifuckery would be the case.
jovial arch
That’s not how balance works
brisk mesa
Threetails, I acknowledge they'd need adjustments
I even mentioned it.
I'm bringing up Allosaurus
Sucho et
*etc
normal fern
Everything slower than a dilo would need adjustments
brisk mesa
No, not quite.
vestal rune
ye... no...
brisk mesa
Allosaurus has a substantially better trot, a better sprint speed, a good stamina pool, high stamina regen
vestal rune
I imagine most animals would be able to easily get a rex off their trail
brisk mesa
Allo's fine, if he's smart.
Yeah.
You have a long time to do so.
It's not like with Giga
who was totally dicked down
vestal rune
tracking actually takes skill, and stopping someone from tracking you also takes skill
normal fern
Except T. rex can simply scent and find you
vestal rune
no? what?
brisk mesa
You act as if scent is the easiest thing to use lmao
languid ember
it's not easy to sniff down mid tiers taco
brisk mesa
^^^^^
jovial arch
This encourages packing on rex
vestal rune
if you're fast enough you may be able to entirely leave his scent raduis
what?
how?
brisk mesa
Your appetite doesn't Threetails
vestal rune
it'll take even longer to get kills
languid ember
and affinity will prevent megapacking anyway right?
jovial arch
Two rexes are practically inescapable if the know what they’re doing
jovial arch
They can just ortinate scenting
I’ve literally tracked down a dryo with two Allos b4
brisk mesa
Allos have amazing trot
lol.
And stamina regen
Trex still has his shitty slow trot
and is obvious as fuck
Hide-and-seek
jovial arch
These guys have 5 min of stam
brisk mesa
Threetails, there's a way we can test things
we'd need Ditto's help as a third volunteer.
compact matrix