Talking to Hilla
#general-feedback-discussion
restive summit
restive summit
I think they were easier to flip/fall then we'd like to think.
white torrent
Likewise
pure copper
Also I didn’t realize you made a suggestion about this lol
restive summit
People picture dinosaur and they think of an animal that could run through a bus and cut it clean in half.
They were just very large animals, they could sustain injury just like moderm day animals
pure copper
Never said they couldn’t
white torrent
No one that really knows dinosaurs believes that
I mean, they could fuck a buss up
Look at elephants
pure copper
Even in Jurassic Park they didn’t cut a bus in half just dented it
white torrent
I don’t doubt a trike could throw around a small car, flip it and crush it under its weight
restive summit
I'm sure they bruise too.
Running into a bus or building probably didn't feel too great
pure copper
Your suggestion would take a bit of mastery over collision
white torrent
Mhm
pure copper
Which is something we don’t have tbh
restive summit
There was a documentary where a saltasaur tripped over a log, and upon falling due to her weight she wouldn't be able to get up again. I think something like that in TI might make folks more careful about flying over large objects.
Leg break heals sure, but what if you could fall and end up stuck laying down?
Unrelated to my suggestion ^
white torrent
Yeah, lol
white torrent
Same with an elephants broken leg, lol
pure copper
Well yeah because she broke her leg falling down a slope then fell on her side pretty hard
restive summit
So wouldn't it make more sense (albiet more challenging) if you were forced to lay down in TI after breaking a leg?
pure copper
If she hadn’t broken said leg she could’ve gotten up
restive summit
Like you didn't choose to
white torrent
That wouldn’t be very fun
Broken legs suck enough
I think a better option is to add a long lasting effect
restive summit
Like if it was an automatic animation.
It would make you more cautious as a Player I think
white torrent
Maybe if you broke your leg by being careless because “my leg will heal”. Maybe if yuh break your leg as an all
pure copper
Well the thing is you can choose to lie down after a broken leg even in the real world (for quadrupeds mostly)
white torrent
O. You are just a tad slower, or you have a noticeable limp
pure copper
Wait do you mean being forced to lie down and heal?
white torrent
Who are you asking?
restive summit
The limp for leg break is a punishment for being careless or facing a Rex sure, I just feel like people need to be more cautious- and being disabled from walking after a broken leg would be more of a punishment
pure copper
Or just instantly being flat out on the ground after your leg breaks @restive summit
restive summit
If you are on two legs yes
white torrent
You mean like being forced to stay on two legs, like, it will not let you move?
restive summit
For example
restive summit
A trike breaking a leg, it has 3 more to try and balance on
A rex breaking a leg
How do you actually balance?
You shouldn't be able to
You should be on the ground for it
pure copper
Depends on how bad the fracture is
white torrent
That’s not great for gameplay tbh
restive summit
It makes it more punishing.
It makes you more careful
white torrent
You break a leg and fall over. Maybe a hungry giga sees you on the ground. “Lol, he cant move”
white torrent
Pretty bad for gameplay
pure copper
I’m in support of a broken leg making you slower and everything but making movement near impossible seems too extreme
restive summit
I just like survival games to be harder
white torrent
Probably
restive summit
Esp with a lot of careless players
white torrent
But not impossible
I’m in favor of a long lasting effect
You are slower for breaking your leg
white torrent
Makes more sense then being immobilized
restive summit
But it's not as bad as it could be, and people are still careless when hopping over things bc they think "Oh it will heal no problem, I can walk it off"
Throw their ass on the ground and they get more careful
white torrent
It’s still takes long enough for people to avoid it
pure copper
I could care less about how careless they are as long as I can protect myself
white torrent
No one just jumps off a cliff and says “I can heal, it’s okay”
You are constantly starving
Breaking a leg in V3 sucks ass
I main cerato, and my hunger is always on the brink of starvation
If I had to lay down, and not move when there was a body next to me, I’d be pissed off
restive summit
I guess it's just preference of difficulty
restive summit
BB is getting reworked anyway, so we have to see how it turns out
I imagine we might get different levels of BB
pure copper
Level 1,000 : having an Anky bash your femur into powder
restive summit
That BETTER leave your ass on the ground or it's too easy ^^^^
pure copper
Threetails what on earth are you typing ? ??
white torrent
Right? 😂
white torrent
lol
restive summit
Hell if an Anky breaks your femur you better die from the pain and shock alone
white torrent
With that suggestion you basically are dead
Someone can follow you and wait till you break a leg, and nom you because you literally can’t defend you’re self
pure copper
I exaggerated the powder thing but getting continuously hit by an Anky will kill you either way
restive summit
Yeah beat your lungs into bloody sacs
restive summit
Break ribs, puncture organs from the splintered bones, ect.
Death.
pure copper
Technically that’d kill you over a few hours , if you want instant death aim for the head
white torrent
Hah, it cuts to like a mortal combat cut scene
Bones breaking and all that shit
Now that would be funny
pure copper
Tfw the indominus should’ve died from the Anky
pure copper
Sorry being a hybrid doesn’t defend you from skull cave ins
white torrent
*anky
restive summit
Anky got flipped
white torrent
I mean
Those spikes on the edge of its armor should have negated that In all honestly
*honesty
restive summit
Which is also something for combat mechs I wanted to suggest.
Flipping Anky lol
white torrent
It would be hard
pure copper
New suggestion for para
white torrent
Lol
restive summit
I think someone suggested that for Maia
white torrent
Maia? It’s to smol
restive summit
Someone suggested give Maia a back leg kick like a Donkey
pure copper
eh
white torrent
Hah
restive summit
But I don't think it's back would allow that type of movement
pure copper
Well unless they mean one leg
white torrent
No, that would loom weird
pure copper
Donkeys buck with half their body
white torrent
Plus the tail is in the way
restive summit
I can see the Maia faceplanting now as it kicks
white torrent
Lel
white torrent
ThreeTails is hacking discord
Hacking the pentagon
The government
Fucking, hacking Apollo engendering
Oof
Engineering
pure copper
Can V3 be changed to a more African landscape
I’d prefer the environment to have a sense of gentle transition tbh
white torrent
I don’t think they should focus on making more than two maps
pure copper
I’ve been stolen from Reeeeeeee
white torrent
When mods are back In the modders will do it for them basically
restive summit
With love
white torrent
I think they should improve the maps they have
pure copper
I’d like more diverse AI to fill said map
jovial arch
Wait a minute here @manic ibex let’s actually consider Dilo vs Utah for a sec. whatever Utahs % limp threshold is will cut down the fight time by that much. Say Utah lasts 30 seconds while bleeding, if the limp threshold is 25% now it will only last 22.5 seconds before it starts limping, at which point it is over b/c it will bleed out faster than Dilo and Dilo can them hit it once and kill it. So pretty much, this doesn’t seem like a big change, but it is. So let’s imagine a scenario where Dilo gets a successful ambush off on Utah, so I’ll just crunch some numbers for the fight assuming both limp at 25% hp and Dilo gets three hits to start and then they trade another hit once every 3 seconds while running. Utah immediately loses 175 hp, 3 sec in it takes another 138 dmg (0.8*100+58) while it takes ~108 dmg per hit from Utah. Just doing the math, you get that it should take approximately 5 hits for Dilo to cripple Utah, and 7 hits for Utah to cripple Dilo. Even at max hp, to get to a limp at 25% hp both sides take approximately seven hits assuming they are both running and hit trade every 3 seconds. That situation actually seems to favor Utah considerably, so it may be wiser to increase Dilo damage to ~60, but my point is that Dilo is by no means fucked. If it manages to proc ambush once during the fight it wins cause it just needs to outlast the Utah for like 20s
white torrent
OOF
pure copper
Breh I read 30 page papers every other day
jovial arch
It’s not really relevant to your convo
pure copper
Get on my level
jovial arch
Tbh
white torrent
READ IT
pure copper
Does anybody know what Camaras health , damage , size and speed is ? I don’t really have the means to look at its stats
pure copper
I was pondering making a suggestion but I feel like it’d be based too much on speculation
white torrent
What’s the suggestion?
pure copper
Making it a reasonable character for playability so it’s not insane
pure copper
It’s kindve cute
white torrent
It’s way to small, unless it really is that small
restive summit
Shantu looks like it has a fat head in that angle
white torrent
It does have a fat head
pure copper
Unless things have changed it has the heath of a pue
white torrent
Fat, rock solid head
white torrent
Takes like three tail swipes to kill a spino
The best thing to fight a Cama as is a giga, Apex wise. A spino takes more hits, but it’s to slow, same with rex
pure copper
At this size a pue can either keep up or outpace it in a sprint https://youtu.be/VOGkQZsg7FY
white torrent
But giga can attack and has a better change of not being hit
restive summit
Lol nobody liked my accidental drowning idea
That is also outdated btw @pure copper
I wanna try and make an up to patch version of that but I'm not great at editing
white torrent
Samee
pure copper
I know that’s why I emphasized only pue and cam
restive summit
Ye
pure copper
Judging by their race pue actually outpaces it slightly in a sprint
random knoll
That’s pretty old
restive summit
Which is surprising considering it's so heavy
white torrent
It does
I’ve seen it lol
On no rule dm servers
It’s scary 😂
You see this tiny cama desperately running while the pue walks up on oh
*it
“Get yo ass back here” like my mom when I broke that glass vase in target when I was a young lad
pure copper
white torrent
Funny, funny lol.. ahhhh, sauropod hunting could be so fun
pure copper
Tfw your mums more terrifying than a dinosaur when you’re in trouble
white torrent
Oh she is
restive summit
You gotta say it like an angry mother or it doesn't count
pure copper
Ooof
white torrent
👈👈ahh
Anyway, sauropod hunting
restive summit
Yowza
white torrent
Big Pack of allo’s and a camara
The mechanics could be very fun, seeing as camara could be survival AI
pure copper
Is allo still planned to have latching ?
white torrent
I HOPE SO
pure copper
Not to say they can’t do the traditional BiteTheLegs but still
white torrent
It could grab onto the side of rev camara, and slash at it, be shaken off and stomped on
Or grappling with a Maia to subdue it
The possibilities are insane
And I do think the dev’s could do something like that
restive summit
Makes me think of the hunting animations, and take down animations shown with Animals in Far Cry Primal
pure copper
It’s stomp is pretty inefficient tbh
restive summit
I'd find a video and make a suggestion with it
white torrent
It’s stomp is fine
It’s not like it’s gonna be a very easy to control attack
A real animal like that might use it for intimidation’s
pure copper
It’s stomp is just for show doesn’t really help in combat
pure copper
By the time you land a predator is long gone
pure copper
Use this instead
white torrent
Yeah
restive summit
If you do manage to land a stomp with a pue however, its instant death to anything near the feet
white torrent
That’s cool
Well obviously
Look at that fat mf, if it gently touches you your pavement
white torrent
ASMR paving
Lol
Oh yeah, ever since I heard of AI sauropods, I always had an idea
restive summit
I hope they add some sort of heavy dust particle affect for large stampeding herbivores
white torrent
Maybe it could be a community event? The arrival of a sauropod would mean ALOT of meat, for everyone. Maybe a community event, to take down one of the Giants?
pure copper
No thanks
white torrent
That’s just me 😅
pure copper
I mean for one thing this depends on the sauropod in question
restive summit
A downed Sauropod carcass means a server full of people sitting together doing nothing lmao
white torrent
Only large ones
white torrent
I’m not gonna suggest it, mostly because it’ll probably be looked over
But it’s just a thought
pure copper
A dead Camara is basically a dead shant with slightly longer food
restive summit
It's like a whale carcass at the bottom of the sea bed, a plethora of animals all in one spot just eating.
pure copper
(If you balance it to be a Camara that is and not a short pue)
white torrent
Lol
pure copper
also in regards to what you brought up in #401481402782056460 pretty much all babies are small weak and defenseless at spawning in
A juvi sauropod wouldn’t be much different
pure copper
Naturally
barren zephyr
Adding thick fog in the swamp areas and dense forest would be cool
white torrent
You’d be weak and defenseless for a longer amount of time
pure copper
Depends on how small the juvi is , how fast it reaches sub and so forth
Which is maluable
white torrent
A sauropod would take the longest to grow
If they follow the “bigger guys take longer to grow” idea
pure copper
Isn’t it Bigger guy takes longer to reach adult?
Don’t need to be an adult to defend yourself
white torrent
True but
pure copper
Butts are for toilets
white torrent
You are still vulnerable as a juvi as well
white torrent
I mean if they added a sauropod into survival, it wouldn’t break the game for me
I’m just saying my personal thoughts on it, and why I don’t think it’s a good/viable idea
I can see why people would like it
Becoming an adult brachi would be very satisfying
pure copper
Growth times and combat stats are all maluable things they’re not set in stone variables. Saying a sauropod is weak upon spawning is NO different from stating the same as every other juvenile in the game. You can’t fight anything bigger than you as a fresh para , rex , Giga , dilo or otherwise youre dead meat. As you grow you become more and more capable of defending yourself, how adequately something like a baby camara can do so is entirely dependent on how big it is on spawning in and what its stats are. At that point it’s only as “helpless” as you make it From what I can tell the main point of contention is humans which is understandable
white torrent
Huh?
pure copper
The main issue with their implementation is humans with weapons
violet magnet
spending seven hours growing a rex and you end up dying in five hits to something with a boomstick
pure copper
Otherwise there’s not much unviable about them that can’t be applied to literally every other animal
violet magnet
which is either too small and mobile to see/catch or is shooting at you from the treeline when you're out in a field and can't get away
pure copper
That’s why I asked in the official question thing how weapons will work
They aren’t going to be a concern for just things like mid sized sauropods
You’re not safe from a gun just because you can sprint at a mild pace like rex
white torrent
Mhm
Guns will win mostly every fight
It’s scary the power we wield with a gun
With that power we can stomp an elephant With one well placed shot
pure copper
Let’s take this situation here :
You’re a trike grazing on a bush at the edge of the forest and from the underbrush a human sees you and they’re armed with a rifle. (Assuming oneshots in vital areas are a thing) you don’t see them , they shoot you in one of your organs , you get scared , run for 3 seconds , bleed out and die
white torrent
It would have to be a powerful gun btw
Or, really..depends on where you do shoot it, naturally a shot to the skull would take a more powerful rifle
pure copper
Like I said idk how these weapons are going to work or how effective they’ll be against large animals
white torrent
Hopefully its well balanced
Honestly I feel like tribal gameplay will be a lot more rewarding
Just because of how difficult it would be attacking a trike with a sharp stick and stones
pure copper
At its older size (which was bigger than shant I think) a Camara could sprint faster than an Anky for obvious reasons , but if instant death headshots/heart shots are a thing it doesn’t really matter which one of those you are if said human knows how to aim and you don’t even see them to begin with
white torrent
Probably not
pure copper
Though that’s just for “guns”
pure copper
I heard they’d be hard to acquire and gain Ammo for
white torrent
In survival
Probably
But we hooman’s have access to crafting, and buildings to hide from big dangerous dinosaurs
And bide our time
jovial arch
Deleted my balance suggestion I realized I needed to swap to metric #s
white torrent
I haven’t tried it in the isle
pure copper
Me and friends did it when tribals were out for testing to the public
restive summit
I am finally at my PC
pure copper
Rexes are big easy targets when you’re a good distance away and they don’t see you
white torrent
Mhm
pure copper
Carnos and Utah’s are your worst nightmare
white torrent
Harder to aim at faster targets
Like taking a bow and trying to kill a pack of painted dogs
Not a great idea
pure copper
I came out to spawn lake once and saw 5 Rexes dead in one place
All from tribals
Was kindve funny
white torrent
Humans are op lol
restive summit
Even with crouched alt turn Rex cannot keep something medium to small off it's ass if they are good
pure copper
Wait whuh
white torrent
Spino could probably
restive summit
Spino yeah bc it's got good turn
white torrent
Or if trample damage is added
restive summit
That too
There was a video with a pack of Dilo's attacking a fully grown Rex, the Dilo stayed perfectly on his ass and didn't get hit until a sub ran in
Even crouched alt turn couldn't get the Dilo off
If it wasn't for the sub that ran in they may very well have bled out a Rex
pure copper
Ooga Booga people
restive summit
Those are placeholders but I like their hairstyle xD
white torrent
Wonder what they will look like
restive summit
Well Tribals are actually now Orc looking bastards yeah?
Or is that now cannibals?
white torrent
I don’t know
pure copper
I think they’re the orc lads
white torrent
I think that was just the cannibals
restive summit
Lemme find the catbug video
restive summit
strange meteor
Tribal and cannibals are the same thing the thing that was referred to as a cannibal is not a cannibal or tribal
That cool works to lol
Clip
restive summit
Ye
pure copper
Ok that’s actually pretty entertaining as an animation lol
So I can basically just say “cannibal” and not have to make a division between it and tribal anymore ?
restive summit
I believe so
vestal rune
@finite perch fliers being hard to add doesn't stem from them being directly bad for the ecosystem, any problems with that could likely be fixed with enough effort
fliers are hard to add because they can be the ultimate scouts for mixed pack making them almost all-knowing for prey and dangers, and since they're flying you can't punish this with affinity or stress.
I too really want to play as a flier, but people abusing is why we can't have nice things
strange meteor
I imagine if fliers are added it'd be more like those raptors that could glide from trees
pure copper
Flyers would basically be scouts without even needing to be close to those they’re scouting for
I’m sure there’s a way to combat that but it’s just complicated I imagine
finite perch
I was more concerned with actual hard limitations on drawdistance, a creature that is small like this would have a low ceiling and a short stamina - much more akin to a glider. it would not be able to fly long distance or see particularily far due to the low altitude
no more than any long neck, for sure
strange meteor
They did say they were trying tree climbing mechanics
finite perch
yes indeed, perhaps not in general but for the aforementioned animal in the suggestion
pure copper
Oh I just noticed your suggestion
finite perch
imagine a pterosaur but nerfed into the dirt. very much a low, low tier flier
kinda survives on cuteness and novelty like dryo, id imagine, but be decent food for juvis all the same
pure copper
Dryos survive by growing hella fast , being able to hide and having good stamina
BestDinoChangeMyMind
finite perch
Dryo is great i agree! but... flying dryo is the suggestion, essentially
spiral pond
Tbh I just can’t look at the pic
It’s so god damn cute little thing
How would Juvi be like tho ?
finite perch
i imagined itd be gentle on the 'hit stuff while flying, take damage' deal due to being a beginner, lighter animal, but that will change as it grows so players have a chance to learn before becoming an enormous quetz. Its primary food is fish, perhaps gore in a pinch, favoring a more herb-like playstyle with poor nv.
pure copper
I think WhyWatt had an idea for quetz that I saw in the forums but I can’t remember what it was
finite perch
basically, you are food to everything. even velos! but as an adult you're nimble enough and small enough (perhaps... too small?) to avoid danger in the daylight. your primary competition is sucho and spino, which will keep you on your toes
bc mind that a full dryo is actually fuggen hueg its like a shetland horse
strange meteor
Shetland horse is smaller than human isn't it
pure copper
Idk
strange meteor
It's like pony sized
finite perch
its dryo sized
pure copper
Isn’t it “Shetland pony” not horse
strange meteor
Ye
finite perch
ye but im lazy
strange meteor
Lol
white torrent
I wonder if people will mod mammals into the game lol
pure copper
Begone
barren zephyr
humans are mamals
white torrent
That would be wild
strange meteor
Probably
pure copper
ButDondiWhereDaMammoths
white torrent
I’m talking about cool mammals. Not us weird, op monsters
Do people really as dondi to add mammals himself?
pure copper
Yes
white torrent
If they go and ask dondi, then they deserve to be clowned on
finite perch
hey? if youre small and annoying it might give sucho something to do... lurk in wait to get those goddamn pteranodons who keep taking all the gd fish
white torrent
Just wait for some crazy mf to make a mod lol
pure copper
I wanna see mercs get run down by an angry trike that spots them
pure copper
I do
white torrent
Maybe if the human was like, disbanded
pure copper
Do you know what happens when a game hunter misses vitals when shooting a buffalo?
white torrent
*disabled
Well a Buffalo is much much much smaller than a trike
A trike trudges along compared to a Buffalo
strange meteor
Lol
white torrent
If you say so, lol
finite perch
@tall bridge I like this suggestion! Logging out while bleeding should be a HUGE stipulation. nobody gets the bleed condition from anything other than combat, i think this is a great way to end combat logging
pure copper
I do
finite perch
i would go as far as to say disable safelog when bleeding but that might be too bold
white torrent
Ah
pure copper
Hunters have to be pretty careful when targeting large animals like buffalo , rhinos or elephants because they don’t just run away if you don’t kill them instantly with one shot , they’ll look at you then charge you down in a rage
pure copper
What did I just say
strange meteor
No a human
pure copper
28 is the max of you’re a track runner
white torrent
An African Cape buffalo on the other hand can run at 57 MPH
Uh
A lot faster
Golly gee
finite perch
lads this got nothin to do w. the current or past suggest
white torrent
Eh
pure copper
severe walrus
what you're looking for is average speed not top speed
pure copper
^
white torrent
Average
finite perch
deviantart, the most veracious source
pure copper
Deviantart renditions like these use already existing research and put them on display for visual aid
white torrent
We
severe walrus
of information
white torrent
*errr looked up usain bolt
severe walrus
no
pure copper
No..
white torrent
Hah
jovial arch
whew
white torrent
Trike should be slow a rock lol
pure copper
Why on earth
white torrent
Maybe only a’little faster than a anky, only because it has longer legs
pure copper
The last thing we need is another mismatch
sudden star
They are, comparatively
spiral pond
Wouldn’t galli be the ultimate man killer ? Instead of trike
pure copper
If it really had a mind to sure
spiral pond
Cause 1-2 kicks and humans would die
white torrent
We are humans piloting dinosaurs basically
spiral pond
Or dryo lol
pure copper
I didn’t specify whether it was in game lol
In game you’re dead if a Galli wants you dead
white torrent
The dinosaurs in the isle would absolutely stun scientists if they acted the way they do when we play as them
Or..well
Not...every person
Mainly. Allo players when they try to fight a trike for food lol
spiral pond
“A ferocious dryo jumped out of a bush and ambushed a Human, it feasted on it later”
pure copper
How fast is a trike in game
white torrent
Pretty slow, it’s slower than the rex
pure copper
I meant stat wise
white torrent
I don’t know tho, I’m not very good at finding stats
white torrent
Uhh
strange meteor
A sub trike can chase and kill a full cerato so it depends on the growth
white torrent
Sauropods
thorny lynx
Once we have
jovial arch
in survival that's not a juvie
white torrent
And velo
jovial arch
lol
jovial arch
u know what i mean
thorny lynx
Once we have affinity, allos will be in a world of hurt trying to hunt trikes
Or even apex carnis
white torrent
I didn’t know that a raptor could kill a juvi trike till it happened
I died of bleeeed
pure copper
If a trikes speed overlaps with that of a person you’re pretty screwed if it’s close enough and wants you dead
thorny lynx
What is this new bleed mechanic I heard about
white torrent
Basically
Any dino that relies on bleed to kill is screwed
Bleed no longer kills
jovial arch
bleed only puts you to 1 hp, but when you get low on hp you limp
normal fern
^
jovial arch
i've ran a lot of numbers on the new system
white torrent
Not everyone can do that
jovial arch
and almost no predator prey relationships change
mostly what's impacted is even matchups
white torrent
I mean, now Utah’s can face tank Dino’s for free fooood
normal fern
Like if it capped at say 5% it could be a problem, but if its actually at 1hp then its fine
spiral pond
Threetails you mad Amazing
jovial arch
no, utah can't facetank dilo for free food
white torrent
I don’t play dilo or Utah so I don’t has I bias
spiral pond
I just read that suggestion
white torrent
HAH
jovial arch
because of limp
spiral pond
Hm
white torrent
It needs that BB now
spiral pond
We will see
white torrent
Heavens, it’s so sad seeing the fall of the para
jovial arch
well, in my system it has allo speed and 1k damage
strange meteor
Once cerato has speed I'll be happy
white torrent
Atm it seven shots an allo
pure copper
The best times I had as para were when it first came out and their herds were everywhere
thorny lynx
I feel as if bleeding out should not set you to 1 hp
pure copper
I’ve had a few recently with friends though
white torrent
Best time I had was trolling a pair of rexes
normal fern
if its allo speed it would just chase it and headbutt it, allo cant do shit because if it tries to stop and fight it gets shitstomped
thorny lynx
Maybe being at 1 hp with a bleed for a certain amount of time can kill you
strange meteor
Can't wait for ai of bigger dinoa
thorny lynx
Cuz bleeding out exists
thorny lynx
Idk what the point of bleed is, now.
white torrent
I made them waste their stam and then they got their home stolen by another pair of rexes
Good times
noble sable
Well, even with the bleed changes..you're suppose to play like a bleeder. Bite it a few times, tank a hit or three if needed and get out. Let it bleed, weaken, then go back in to finish it off.
normal fern
wait, missed the 50% bleed thing
jovial arch
it'll bleed everywhere
pure copper
Just before the skin system was implemented
normal fern
to a high amount
jovial arch
yeah
noble sable
@restive summit Also, Bryan said a long time ago that they won't be doing kill / trophy kill animations. Takes too long and it looks shitty.
white torrent
Tragic
jovial arch
you also have to remember
this version of allo
or para
actually needs 3 kicks on allo
even in a facetank
white torrent
Right now?
white torrent
Because, when I was attacked on a dm server
white torrent
Ah, alright
jovial arch
you are right that para is shit rn
spiral pond
“ its a deer guys”
white torrent
Make sense with how bulky the isle’s allo is compared to a para
pure copper
Don’t disrespect deer
white torrent
But not seven 😂
spiral pond
I love deer
pure copper
They’ll fuck you up real good
spiral pond
But para can’t be deer if it can’t run not fight
spiral pond
I I’m not
white torrent
The para is like a deer who’s mom smoked when it was pregnant
spiral pond
I’m a robot
white torrent
It’s a smoke baby
spiral pond
Smoke baby lol
white torrent
Weak, and generally useless
Oh yeah
Isn’t someone working on dinosaur silhouettes?
For those Dino’s that don’t have one. In survival
white torrent
I hope so
He has more artistic talent in one cell then I do in my whole body lol
And I consider myself a decent artist 😂
restive summit
I made a stupid Para suggestion
barren zephyr
tf
restive summit
Yeehaw
barren zephyr
what kinda
restive summit
YEEHAW
marble valley
Where the fuck did you get Cerato running at 60 mph
noble sable
Cerato isn't faster then Carno, lmfao. The hell you smokin'?
restive summit
I ran through a few different sites to compare what each one guessed/estimated
It's not an exact, they have been dead for a long ass time, no clue what they really ran like
severe walrus
i don't think anything could run faster than maybe 60 or 70
definitely not a cerato
ceratos were the dinosaur that was eventually outcompeted by allosaurus
it makes sense that they're shitty
restive summit
A Cheetah's top speed is 65 – 75 mph
It is possible, and we certainly were not around when they were alive
So we really don't know
My point is Para was slow
white torrent
Then it should be stronger
restive summit
Yeah
That's why I suggested a body blow attack
If you're that big, knock shit over
You can literally google Carno Speed, there are like 4 or 5 different sites that estimate the same speeds
That aren't DinoPit
white torrent
I don’t see how cerato could reach the same speeds as a cheetah
marble valley
I'd rather just make para 'unrealistically' fast than have it be some kind of fighter
Dondi himself stated last stream he's opposed to it being able to fight of hordes of allos and I agree
But I don't want it to be worthless like it is now
marble valley
How much faster is maia than allo
white torrent
I think it should take at most two allo’s to attack a para
marble valley
I'm fine with just one but para should be able to escape
restive summit
Haven't tested it but a juvie Gig can nearly catch you, plus your stam drains drastically (for Maia)
white torrent
I know
marble valley
I will need to do some testing
restive summit
Edited the suggestion to include another more reasonably speculated speed
Look better? @marble valley @white torrent
29.1 km/h (18 mph) as another suggested speed
marble valley
Honestly I don't think you needed to list any speed. Just cut the first half off and say something like 'Even though realism might suggest -x-, I think we should do -y- for -z- reason'
restive summit
I dunno, I just think it helps a lot of people Realize how slow Para was compared to what we have in TI that hunts it
Bc everyone compares it to a deer, myself included, thinking it was a speed demon when it is not
More like a big fat cow
pure copper
Excuse you sir
barren zephyr
dilo was slower than para
pure copper
I’ll have you know bovines are actually pretty light on their feet
barren zephyr
which is really stupid
glossy garden
hey guys, anyone knows when gigantosauros is back to play?
restive summit
I also wanted Para speed increased, but after doing the googling I'm like "Oh...it WAS slow"
barren zephyr
hope gayga is never back
pure copper
Slow is relative
restive summit
I am sorry I offended your cows Hilla 😂
barren zephyr
yea like
an ant is super fast if it was out size
but its slow relative to us
like what
a foot a second at max speed
restive summit
slow compared to what hunts it, not to us
restive summit
And some don't eat again for a very very long time
pure copper
When you have animals weighing over 4 tons you’re not gonna see many of them reach or exceed 20-25 mph tbh
strange meteor
Google's ceratos tops speed and it's 60mph like yeahh I don't think it needs to be that fast but like a little bit
restive summit
Well google only showed two sites that said 60, a lot of the sites wouldn't give a speed estimate at all
pure copper
Dino speed estimates hop around a bit depending on the methods they use to calculate locomotion but you don’t need to rely on them for game balance
restive summit
Yeah, imo it would be nice if the speeds matched the current rough estimation from science just for some added realism, but I understand it doesn't work for balance at all
strange meteor
Yeah lol if cerato could just go like 30.8 to 31.5 kmh is be happy but like it's crazy how 30.5 can be so slow in comparison to other dinos
pure copper
In game it’s more about placing them at what makes sense for their playstyle/niche as well as yknow their physique
restive summit
Unfortunately balancing doesn't work very well to begin with, it always manages to break one of the species
pure copper
It’s not that balancing doesn’t work well it’ just depends on how said balancing is handled
restive summit
I would say it's not being handled very much currently xD
pure copper
If you just nerf something into the dirt because someone did something that’s not preferable that has big repercussions
restive summit
We are still waiting on a lot of mechanics and overhauls
noble sable
Well, a lot is going to change with bleed not killing you.
glossy garden
AI needs to be increased, bought the game today, playd like 5h or so, died few times beacuse i did not find any AI or players...
restive summit
And the BB overhaul
noble sable
Nothing was said about bb for this patch, so I'd assume it'd stay the same.
glossy garden
i play on eu official
pure copper
@restive summit also 30 mph is a bit fast for an adult Giga if you’re not using in game estimates
restive summit
BB won't be in the next patch no but it's being worked on I'm sure
pure copper
I’m surprised I can even type this while my left eye is burning
pure copper
Well based on what we know about large theropods that size 18-20 mph is a more reasonable range
Anyway I had a Question: do speed and bite force stats accurately match up to what’s scene on the character screen as you grow ?
Or is it kindve just there to look fancy
barren zephyr
yea
baby dilo has a higher bite force than adult
going up to like
60/55 i think
deft gull
Anyone knows what packs they have by Mawi at unreal engine marketplace?
severe walrus
@copper geode even better with the combat overhaul there can be specific attack types that aren't the same as regular attacks
copper geode
^
lament thorn
Only issue is it stops any packing/herding with the same gender
Pretty sure that's just a pair
mighty girder
@plucky meteor your supposed to discuss suggestions here not clog up the other channel 
plucky meteor
Ah ok thanks
finite perch
im p sure alphas are already planned? theres an affinity meter that ties in a fetilization meter - and only the top dog can fertilize
verbal acorn
Dilo bite should be weak and low damage. Look at the teeth, it’s not a crusher, it’s not a chomper, it’s catcher.
Dilo either fished and/or ate very small prey, hard to hold in the mouth, squirming “vermin”. None of that makes it a bleeder, but it certainly makes it a low damage attacker.
With such a low damage attack, I’d accept the creative license of making it a bleeder through use of a Hemotoxin venom, but I think the Dilo should stand out from the other dinos and have it’s bleed remain a stand out for its potential lethality.
viral creek
thorny lynx
Maybe dilo can have venom glands like komodo dragons.
manic ibex
what would that change?
also, like Dondi said, the venom injection of Dilo is comparable of a Gila monster. THat's also the same system that Komodo dragons have. The venom is constantly secreted and mixed up in the saliva, there is no control or specialized teeth to inject it with pressure.
light oak
So, people complains the game has gone nowhere since a few years ago, but still ask for silly overcomplicated graphic designs that adds nothing to playability, like feathers, trees, skins or new rocks...
finite perch
dilo venom should make you ragdoll 
clever leaf
utah should be more fragile than dilo because its faster and more agile
finite perch
i genuinely think utah is fine as is
manic ibex
ofc you do
finite perch
sounds personal, go on
void kiln
The devs should consider adding an actual utah tbf
clever leaf
What's the point of doing that
void kiln
because they are going to change the name of it eventually because its nothing like a utah. plus adding in the real utah would increase the diversity of low tier carnivores
just my opinion
void kiln
tanky low tier but less agile
mighty girder
@plucky meteor Feathers/feather varients are planned, just not a top priority
clever leaf
lmao a realistic utah wouldnt be a fast pouncer
which is what the devs wanted out of the raptor for this game
void kiln
ye but the current utah has planned mechanics that the real utah would not be able to do. i believe pounce was mentioned as a reason
clever leaf
it's a video game so it can just be a fictional genus
what can real utah do that current one can't?
severe walrus
the real utah was way too large to do anything the current one does
void kiln
well it is a game so hey could give the real utah resistance to dilo venom
clever leaf
severe walrus
did dilos even have venom irl
clever leaf
cerato may or may not get that already
severe walrus
i doubt they did
clever leaf
irl is irrelevant to this game
severe walrus
something jp made it
made up*
i mean it is if you don't want your game to look absolutely gay
if the animals are too outdated then it looks weird
void kiln
id be prety happy with cerato getting that actually...
severe walrus
they killed with their bite and their claws
thorny lynx
Their mouths look like sucho and spinos
I bet they caught feesh
And tiny Lizards
Who knows, maybe it snacked on eggs
jovial arch
well i mean
almost everything else of its time period was smaller
it probably just snacked on whatever it could catch
pure copper
Their jaws only mildly resemble spinosaurids but it was capable of killing dinosaurs of comparable size in its habitat
Which there honestly weren’t many from what I can tell
steady cosmos
@unborn wraith >real life
manic ibex
Dondi doesn't want dinos to be omnivore, because it would be too easy to survive.
crystal turret
Limit the galli to wrecki g nests as it's omni
I def agree with the color issue too. Dilo c ant reselect it's colors and if I want a pink flamingotrex I damn well should be able to
noble sable
@barren peak Far as we know Pue / sauropods won't be playable in survival; thus no need to fix it. Best bet is to wait for Mod support.
flat rose
Diabloceratops vs Triceratops?
noble sable
Trike has nmore health, does more damage and bleed; doesn't regan stam unless sitting. Dibble is faster, less tanky, less bleed., regans stam while moving.
flat rose
Ah okay. Thanks. I hear Dibble is louder too?
brave birch
what if we could get a server info screen that shows the motd?
for discords and rules and stuff instead of just a quick popup
hoary ocean
@plucky meteor First Person for Dinosaurs was considerd but Dondi mentioned that it just doesn't work out. So it's only for Humans.
crystal turret
@zealous fulcrum Why does there need to be a penalty? Adrenaline Rush should just act as a counter to Ambush. Where ambush waits a second or 2 before engaging for double speed, a herb should be able to run for a second or five and then 'adrenaline rush' can kick in which increases their movement speed at the expense of turn radius or something so they kind of run in a straight line more or less. If you're going to design limitations to Adrenaline Rush, then the same limitations should be applied to ambush (which you mentioned in the discussion we had prior but didn't mention in your suggestion).
The goal should simply be to give herbs a tool to feel like they had a chance against that carnivore that engaged them.
zealous fulcrum
I was gonna suggest a cool down period for ambush
not every predator would be successful in their hunt if they screw up their ambush
but thanks
crystal turret
Not only is not every hunt successful, but 80% of them aren't.
zealous fulcrum
thanks, I put that down. I kind of forgot to add it
hoary ocean
poop and piss?
manic ibex
that varies on which animal you're talking about. Some have 90% success rate, some 10%. Anyway, this is a game and not real wildlife. I agree that ambush should have a CD. This CD should be more or less long depending on which carni and their intented playstyle
plucky meteor
add a warm meter if the dino stays to long in the shadows it cooles out
sometime it has to lay in the sun for getting warm
more movement and deepness in the game
would be great
but make it not as often as food maybe twice as slow
if your cold or to hot u cant run
what do you think?
valid zephyr
Pretty sure dinosaurs were thought to be warm blooded. Aka not having to lie in the sun half the day to keep warm.
wintry cipher
likely will get put in with affinity as a way to keep your dino happy
but no stats bonuses
last remnant
lol that herbivore kick
It would be great if it was added, but it was only against juvies
oblique crown
@last remnant Oh, how do you know the devs didn't like it what did they say?
steady cosmos
The noises are intended for something
last remnant
Dinosauriac gave me the squinty eye
My feedback was also that each noice should be associated with something real in-game too.
Like, you hear toads or owls then you should see toads or owls.
Err...frog I guess.
But I guess they didn't like that either.
steady cosmos
I do believe when you get near water there's a bird that makes noise
idk if thats true tho
a loon
last remnant
I do too
last remnant
I mean, if it's a bird making noise, it would be nice to see the bird.
tacit dirge
I want licking wounds mechanic
next nexus
barren zephyr
^
floral thicket
Does anyone know when the update with the body carrying comes? 🤔
severe walrus
it comes when it comes
floral thicket
That much I know! I was just wondering..
severe walrus
there's a virtue called patience
many people could use it
there's no specific release date for patches they release them when they're polished and ready
and then release patches after to fix any errors in the previous patches
floral thicket
I didn't mean a specific date. I just remember watching Dondi work on it, saying 'it'll probably come in one of the next patches'. Curiosity sometimes gets the best of us- whether we like it or not.
stark meadow
Don’t burn the poor guy at the stake, oof. I personally think itll be a bit longer till its in, since ive only seen galli and pachy bodies being carried so far, and dont know how many other dinos actually have it implemented yet
floral thicket
True. Though in the stream he mentioned that dragging is a matter of 'IK Bones'- which all the dinosaurs we currently have in Survival, have now. So I'm excited for whatever comes next- and when! 
jovial arch
@blazing charm I'm not sure i like your suggestions but even the fact that you've started actually considering stats in general for you dinos is great.
blazing charm
Any particular reason why?
jovial arch
uh
you used to pretty much just drop suggestions with just a gimmick
which was extremely vague
i would read your documents and not actually be able to understand how your dinosaurs would play
with this acro i can get a pretty good idea of how it plays
just based off the stats
unborn quail
To be fair, I think it's more so finding a viable and unique niche/ability that would give them actual spots to fit
blazing charm
Honestly, having the stats was pointless. Stats are just going to be changed later on. The reason I usually focus on just the mechanic is so that I can explain WHY it would be unique. I've explained how said mechanics/gimmicks could be used in gameplay.
You mean to tell me that's vague?
unborn quail
^^^
jovial arch
yes, but if you don't have at least some cursory idea of what the stats are going to be like you have no idea what gameplay is going to be like
really
unborn quail
Stats and playstyle mean nothing without a viable niche and gimmick to give it a reason to be added, but that's just me
jovial arch
none of the dinosaurs right now have actual gimmicks with the exception of rex
sorry, dilo too
and i guess technically utah
blazing charm
Because my suggestions are designed around the game in a FUTURE state.
unborn quail
But they are added with the basis of future gimmicks they can have
And what Jaffad too
unborn quail
Shh
Anyways, every dinosaur that has been added has a future gimmick planned for the most part
jovial arch
ok wait, so if im interpreting your argument correctly you seem to be saying that you don't include stats because the current system of combat is going to be obsolete?
blazing charm
Yes.
jovial arch
ok fair enough not much i can say to that
unborn quail
That and without a FUTURE unique place and ability among the other creatures
Then whats the point
jovial arch
well
i've had this discussion with you before
kind of
so i guess it's kind of pointless
oh well
i thought it was an improvement
but if you guys dont think so
🤷
i dont really know to say
consider me very confused
barren zephyr
im up fo acro the true big game hunter
althought with allo getting the sauropod grapple it doesent offer much
unborn quail
Neither did Giga
unborn quail
Hardos didn't live in the same region
barren zephyr
let it bleed
unborn quail
But this is #paleotalk
severe walrus
no gigas lived in the same regions as some sauropods
they didn't necessarily kill them
they just snacked on them by ripping flesh off
unborn quail
Besides it was never confirmed the grapple would be for sauropods
All that was said is that Allosaurus was getting some sort of Grapple
severe walrus
prob for large herbis like a trike or something
maybe a para
i can't see
allos
grappling things though
like pouncing them
barren zephyr
para is oversized i think
unborn quail
Grapple/Tackle, could be either or both
uneven sluice
@lament pawn You watching sodapoppin as well?
severe walrus
oohhhhhh
lament pawn
yeah
unborn quail
Regardless, its ability will be using its arms
pure copper
@barren zephyr not really
hoary moth
Grapple could just be a way to prevent prey from running away
smaller or similar size prey
barren zephyr
i mean i dont know how big a para is suposed to be , specialy a genetacly created one
pure copper
It’s about the size you’d expect for the real animal
In game it just habitually stands on its hind legs
barren zephyr
maybe its his stance, yeah
pure copper
pure copper
If ya wanna talk oversized lemme introduce you to yaBoi Acro
hoary moth
at least for the species it's based on, that Para's huge
but it might be good for the ''Charonosaurus'' species
hoary moth
yeah
Charono got lumped in some paper but i'm struggling to spell the species name to find it lol
pure copper
the isles para sits in line with walkeri size if only slightly bigger by a small margin
Also note I had to take that screenie at a weird angle. Took forever to get it in that position
coarse shell
@gray crystal patriarch and mating was never a thing in the first place
but it will be sometime
and multiple dinos for each server is a terrible idea
mighty girder
Survival game, starving should equal death
cosmic flax
Hey, I'm just back from a long hiatus and I can't get scent to work no matter what I do, I even tried reinstalling. Any ideas?
mighty girder
cosmic flax
Yeah, posted there first, just hoped I guess. Sorry to bother.
mint gull
@knotty spindle You could just rebind it to like "T" like me, and never have to deal with that again 
Sorry about the 
knotty spindle
True, would still be nice though.