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#general-feedback-discussion
leaden night
nova shell
yeah and so is maia for some reason
leaden night
Dibble's entire plan was to be rex fodder
Maia has some dumb nesting buff or something
nova shell
two creatures that ultimately have not unique gameplay and take time away from other more important things or creatures that wouldve made for much better playables
im not kidding lurdu would be 10x better than both of them
coarse skiff
Medium size dinos are funny to play even with no special
nova shell
however
leaden night
That doesn't change that they're still playable and need something to make them unique
nova shell
there couldn't be worse shit in their place 
vestal flame
nova shell
giving maia some nesting buff is fine
leaden night
Dibble has literally nothing
nova shell
i got this idea to make maia seasonally migrate around the map
and they all nest in one mass nesting event at the same time
vestal flame
Is there no chance they'll eventually be replaced with other more unique mid tiers, or are their playable roles settled in stone?
nova shell
why would they be replaced
leaden night
^
nova shell
they're already iin
leaden night
They spent money on remodels and juv models
nova shell
would just be a waste
leaden night
Plus the animations
vestal flame
Since people constantly complain about how unoriginal they are lmao
I like them personally
nova shell
then you are lost
vestal flame
coarse skiff
People always complain
nova shell
leaden night
People complain more about how unoriginal they are while also not giving a logical solution to fix said problem
Outside
"Throw them away lol"
nova shell
ikr
vestal flame
You expect people to suggest solutions instead of just whine?? 
nova shell
^
leaden night
No
nova shell
that is not the way of the isle community
nova shell
just make diablo eat fuckin every kind of plant in existence
vestal flame
Isnt that dryo's thing
nova shell
and make dryo not do that anymore
leaden night
No
vestal flame
😔
nova shell
cause dryo already has other things
leaden night
Let Dryo keep its infinite number of abilites
nova shell
u rite the creature with high nv and adrenaline and burrowing needs more
sounds good devs
vestal flame
is burrowing going to be added to dryo?
nova shell
yep
leaden night
Yes
vestal flame
Oh nice
vestal flame
It also can't impact the ecosystem in a substantial way so it needs that to be more engaging
leaden night
Anyway
Rib eating Dibble because Ceratopsids are omnivorous fucks what else can you give it really
Unless you do something involving Dibble's smell
jovial arch
I actually really like Maia
I honestly think
If you respecced Maia for forest/survivalist niche
And para for herding/plains life
They would be rather unique
nova shell
I feel like maia would be a better mass-herding animal
just the right size and mobility
compared to para which could just kill whatever tries to hunt it
ima stand by my suggestion to make maias anually migrate
in the big herds
nova shell
ok
nova shell
a slower weaker giga that goes longer without starving
barren zephyr
make dilo faster than para thank the lord above
nova shell
or a bigger allo that goes longer without starving
or if it only gets one of the possible abilities, a bigger allo
and the flesh grazing damaging prey items would just be bleeding, no?
barren zephyr
tbh game is great if dilo gets speed buff
nova shell
anything else you'd like to add?
barren zephyr
uh
nova shell
i don't think you're getting your message across well enough
nova shell
this when
wow cant believe i said i wanted to buff carno turn
glad i fixed that mistake
verbal acorn
I think we are trying to hard to differentiate every dino into its own niche. Sometimes you’ll have two or more dinos who are so similar that you just need to let them fill the same niche, with the only reason for choosing one or the other is personal preference. In some cases, they fill the same niche, but one bleeds, the other does raw damage....or honestly, they can be the same...but basically both are a wash versus each other...and that’s ok.
stoic wing
i suppose it is similar to how spino is getting added even though we have Sucho
also for one thing i disagree with:
I dont see Acro grappling with those
blazing charm
Well, I suppose it's worth mentioning that Acro might be getting a remodel. Also kinda tried emphasizing it as more of a "push"
Also it was only one option.
verbal acorn
I don’t see how the hump could have been useful for anchoring additional muscle for its limbs...only thing I could imagine those muscles anchors aiding in would be a porpoising motion?...like the way whales swim
violet magnet
@oak oak this might help a little
https://steamcommunity.com/app/376210/discussions/16/
when i first started playing i went through the game controls and wrote them all down on a notepad, and had the notepad next to me while i played 🙃 lol
jovial arch
Same tho
jovial arch
@barren zephyr
carno would be broken
actually broken
if it had good turn
like, it has the same effective bleed as a dilo
jovial arch
same effective bleed
excuse me
if a carno and a dilo both hit something
it takes the same amount of bleed
languid ember
a slight turn buff wouldn't make it broken, it would make it possible for it to actually kill something, and be a threat to it
as it is rn anything will outjuke it
jovial arch
yes
but i'd argue that carnos issue isn't that it isn't good
but that it sucks at its job
jovial arch
carno is insanely good at hunting herbis
nothing else even comes close to being as good for hunting para and maia
languid ember
but that's not what it's supposed to hunt. The guy needs less bleed and more flat damage to compensate to make it a small game hunter
jovial arch
carno is just garbage at hunting Utah/dilo/dryo/galli
because it has insanely difficulty catching them
and even if it catches a Utah or dilo it doesn't oneshot it
and they kill it in return in just a few hits
I think carno could do with some other stat modifications
that aren't turn radius
violet magnet
carno basically oneshots a utah tho, if the utah keeps running
normal fern
nerf carnos bleed and stamina heavily. But increase his speed slightly and buff his stam regen, turn radius and flat damage and carno becomes a really good small game killer
and nerf its fall damage resistance, give it dilo tier leg break
jovial arch
I think it needs a couple more mechanics to really function well
but yeah the general premise is solid
normal fern
I would say 60-80 stam as a carno would be fine
provided its regen would put into overdrive
So that if you waste all your stam you are vulnerable to attack, but that small window wont last long
jovial arch
My idea was to lower base speed a lower value but allow it crank up its speed to something excessively high at the cost of massively increased stam drain
your thing would work
normal fern
Tbh even 60 stam would be fine
jovial arch
but the idea is to keep carnos current ability to travel the map and have a large stam pool to let it run for days
normal fern
buff its trot slightly and keep walk regen pretty slow
but make his sitting regen absolute godtier
jovial arch
if it dropped the hp down to like 1k for a 2k weight mass, and gained high bleed res/decent healing
normal fern
that would work
jovial arch
it would be almost perfectly suited to down things like Dilo and Utah but get fucked by herbivores
jovial arch
Dilo would need a damage buff to compensate though, so that groups could defend themselves
normal fern
Not necessarily
jovial arch
it would be kind of stupid for carno to chow through a pack of like 5-6 dilos
leaden night
Dilo can do with a bit of damage buff
normal fern
if it can lower bleed resistance and bleed regen all you really need to do for dilo is not nerf its bleed into the ground
leaden night
Juv Dilo does more raw than it
jovial arch
lol
leaden night
For some reason
brisk mesa
It technically doesnt, given how lightweight it is.
jovial arch
@sly hatch
I dropped a 
because your suggestion is confusing
it's not very specific
and I'm having some difficulty understanding what you're asking for
lament thorn
i think the suggestion is just a 'balance these things but im not actually suggesting how to do it'
lament thorn
eh pachy kinda needs its speed to be viable against larger carnivores
sly hatch
yea because its not ready
fr it should be able to have bone break to escape from larger carnis
it needs its speed now, because it is not reay
ready*
i dont know if that was an accident, wouldnt they have noticed when typing out the patch notes
lament thorn
having bone break wouldn't exactly let it escape larger creatures as that would mean it would have to get into a fight first and prey that its able to escape the situation
jovial arch
yes pachy is unfinished, the devs did not mean to release it
sly hatch
yea but blue wolf
just think about something real quick
if your head is the size of a boulder would you be able to run 25mph
lament thorn
no
sly hatch
^
violet magnet
but also this is a videogame which requires balance
lament thorn
but most people dont play this game for top notch realism
violet magnet
pretty sure para couldn't have headbutted without shattering the air passages in its crest but...
lament thorn
i think maia would kill itself if it used its head to fight back too
sly hatch
well yea grievous, im pretty sure the crest was like the back plates on a stego
just for attraction
i just think things do need to be balanced more
sly hatch
How would mud rolling work? A rex can’t go on it’s back
fading shadow
While it stands just drag itself on its side
Or if the mad is deep enough just sit down in it
violet magnet
flap its lil arms in a mud puddle to cover its belly with mud
nova shell
@sly hatch the main problem with your suggestion is that you want to give things that aren't rex bonebreak on the account of, "other dinosaurs could do that in real life too." It's rex's special ability for now at least, and once locational damage is in I'm sure anky and pachy will get it, albeit pachy might be a stretch considering that RNG is literally all the bonebreak system is right now, and seeing pachys running around breaking apex legs is something nobody wants
fading shadow
I’m offended I didn’t get any reactions
fading shadow
brisk mesa
Dilo's venom is in my idea more about immediate lethality than bitching around with something over a long period of time like more 'actual' bleeders.
It's arguably far more survivable, and escapable, and yet demands more skill than the patience of a bleeder.
You're quickly losing on inherent lethality if you just stand back and let something take the smaller far more palatable ticks of damage from this venom. Given the juvenile's duration is much longer, it serves more reliably as a deterrent; consider if it lasted twice as long, each different tick might be applied twice in a row before moving to the next. So first would be 10%, 2nd would be 10%, third would be 8% and so on, thus while a baby is much more frail, easily killed and slower... don't mess with the child
He's gonna go home alone on your ass SO FAST
barren zephyr
Nobody :
Wyatt : "Dilo's venom is in my idea more about immediate lethality than bitching around with something over a long period of time like more 'actual' bleeders.
It's arguably far more survivable, and escapable, and yet demands more skill than the patience of a bleeder.
You're quickly losing on inherent lethality if you just stand back and let something take the smaller far more palatable ticks of damage from this venom. Given the juvenile's duration is much longer, it serves more reliably as a deterrent; consider if it lasted twice as long, each different tick might be applied twice in a row before moving to the next. So first would be 10%, 2nd would be 10%, third would be 8% and so on, thus while a baby is much more frail, easily killed and slower... don't mess with the child
He's gonna go home alone on your ass SO FAST"
brisk mesa
Wut
brisk mesa
Yeah I saw XD
edgy echo
@sly hatch I think you are overestimating the size of the patchy they r only 14 ft long and at most estimated at 2,200 lbs the Utah on the other hand is estimated at 23 ft long and up to 4,400 lbs now I haven’t seen the new patchy model compared to the Utah but the patchy is suppose to be smaller
icy venture
if you make pachy slow then it gets cucked by everything.
sly hatch
Not necessarily slow
brisk mesa
@edgy echo Erm Pachy is going to be larger, it is flat out intended to by the devs.
edgy echo
Yeah
brisk mesa
Erm
Yeah right.
Tag me in #paleotalk with actual papers offering that as a remote possibility
sly hatch
I don’t think that’s accurate though
brisk mesa
It's not.
sly hatch
Deinonychus was a solid 300 lbs
brisk mesa
Lmao.
edgy echo
Just look up Utahraptor in google it just the highest estimate
brisk mesa
That's ridiculous to go by lmao.
Highest estimated run speed for a human is fucking 40mph.
fastest ever? usaine bolt.
So erm
sly hatch
Yeep
sly hatch
Lmao exactly
brisk mesa
100ft megalodons = big youtube comments meme
edgy echo
That’s why I put estimated
brisk mesa
No, it's not an accepted estimate
sly hatch
Not 4 times sorry
icy venture
meh, my grandad used to weigh 4000 lbs, it's possible. 
sly hatch
1tonx4
brisk mesa
LOL
sly hatch
F
sly hatch
No
brisk mesa
Yes.
brisk mesa
1 metric ton = 2 thousand pounds
nova shell
F
brisk mesa
Can we all get back on topic?
brisk mesa
Point is, Pachy shouldnt be faster than a Utah.
Hell...
it isnt.
We saw animations on stream.
sly hatch
It’s not faster
brisk mesa
It's substantially faster than an Allo.
sly hatch
It’s about as fast as
brisk mesa
No, it's not.
They showed off Pachy on stream.
It's roughly Dilophosaurus' speed. Higher or lower by some.
Was hard to determine.
But it wasn't faster than Utah.
brisk mesa
I find it unlikely a dinosaur stated to shitfuck a Utahraptor
sly hatch
Which is low key impossible
brisk mesa
is going to be as fast as a Utahraptor.
nova shell
brisk mesa
Erm, I'll casually jazzhands over to a Hippo, something that looks in no way suited to be fast with such a huge head and small stubby legs, can clock 30mph
So.
I'd like to calmly say that the logic of big head = cant huslte
nova shell
hippos got that quadrupedal stability tho
brisk mesa
is a load of crap
sly hatch
30mph ain’t that fast
brisk mesa
nova shell
think of it
brisk mesa
Utah ingame isn't even 30mph
nova shell
fastest human about 27 mph
sly hatch
30*
brisk mesa
factcheck
lament thorn
what you guys discussing
sly hatch
And where did you get 30 mph
brisk mesa
IDEK anymore, Pachy suggestion
sly hatch
19mph biggest clock speed for hippo
nova shell
rhinos are the ones that run over 30
brisk mesa
Sorry I'm not american
nova shell
rhino go over 30 mph
sly hatch
Buff rex bb whatever,
Mm that’s not the point I’m making
Pachy head size is huge, which would make it topple over if it ran that fast
It’s just too front heavy
lament thorn
bone break is being redone btw
brisk mesa
Its sturdy af.
sly hatch
Thank god bluewolf
nova shell
k but it's supposed to be a jp raptor clone
brisk mesa
Also we know "Utah" is being replaced due to how IRL Utah is anything but a JP raptor clone.
We don't know with what raptor, or even if it will be a real species, but the Utah is gonna get a name change to be, welll, fitting
astral parcel
Pretty sure Magnaraptor will replace it in the future, at least until it gets redone
nova shell
it isn't getting 'replaced' as far as we know, just renamed
sly hatch
deinonychus maybe
unborn quail
That would require an entirely different model, as the current doesn't fit that lad either
It's most likely just a re-name
nova shell
it's getting a fake name
unborn quail
^
sly hatch
i dont agree w that lol
sly hatch
not tryinf to trash on the game, but them fictionalizing dinosaurs just sounds like a lazy escape
nova shell
'a lazy escape'
why
what
i dont understand
what's wrong with having fictional creatures in a fictional game?
clever leaf
Then do it
brisk mesa
it's a play on how he said why what
Utahraptor kindof debunks the reasoning of fictionalized dinosaurs by virtue that they are changing it.
They are not changing the model, but rather the name, because it doesn't fit with actual Utahraptors.
nova shell
how is that a lazy escape
brisk mesa
If the devs gave 0 fucks, they wouldn't even be changing its name to begin with.
brisk mesa
They'd leave it as Utahraptor and not give a damn that Utah was basically a hulk boy.
nova shell
if you have something that you can't even tell what it is anymore, then you shouldnt definitely not have the name the same as a real animal
brisk mesa
Gameplay always comes before realism, however, they decided that there's no point calling it a Utah when the real thing was this, really weird shit
brisk mesa
I mean, they can also pull artistic liscence.
They can say hey, we have huge Deinonychus
nova shell
well yeah but uglyraptor doesnt even look like a utah
brisk mesa
Or hey, we have Achillobator
nova shell
k but it looks like neither of those
brisk mesa
It doesn't look like Utah in the slightest hence why they are changing it.
Utah ingame isn't too far off from Achillo or Deino.
It's just bigger really.
nova shell
brisk mesa
Also, Achillo is so fragmentary that they can decide to name it however they please.
nova shell
but that would be gay
sly hatch
Alright so you’re telling me that you’d rather have a bunch of real dinosaurs mixed in with fake ones?
And I don’t think they’re going to change the name, they’re probably going to remodel it because they plan on remodeling a ton of dinos
Wow great point buff rex bb
You really got em there
brisk mesa
No, they have said they are renaming it.
nova shell
hey guys let's name this dinosaur achillobator so people decide to keep calling it a utah because achillobator is impossible to say for people who know nothing about dinosaurs
clever leaf
Spinosaurus might resemble jp spino more than actual spino. Would you call it anything else though
brisk mesa
its an expression for chrissake
sly hatch
Well I’m just saying it sounds like a lazy way out trash me all you want.
lament thorn
whats going on now
nova shell
hey cat can you please get your facts straight before you call people out for being dumb when really you don't know what you're talking about?
sly hatch
I mean it’s obvious they want perfection,
Why else would they redo pachy and other dinosaurs? Why can they do the same with utah
brisk mesa
Those models are old
nova shell
^
brisk mesa
Thats why they are being redone.
sly hatch
Buff I never called anyone dumb
clever leaf
Real life Utah would not be fitting for a quick agile pouncer
brisk mesa
Vlad models are all getting redone.
lament thorn
pachy was super ugly before XD
brisk mesa
^^^^
lament thorn
now its a absolute unit
nova shell
know what would be fitting for a quick agile pouncer?
not the thing in game
cause its a big stocky block-head fuck
i never said I'd rather they just rename it, but that's what they intend to do
nova shell
u got a point meh
rose sundial
It is disappointing
sly hatch
Hey buff
You do realize utahraptor pounced.. right? They were also agile.. right?? So what is so wrong with me wanting a remodel so it can fit that niche rather than a rename
brisk mesa
Shell out 7 grand.
And dozens of hours of time.
Renaming is JUST a little bit more logical.
Maybe a few hours brainstorm
To figure out what to name it...
nova shell
what cat
brisk mesa
10 min to rename all the assets pertaining to the old name to the new one...
clever leaf
IRL Utah was built way different than what we have in TI though
brisk mesa
^^^^
nova shell
^^^^^^
clever leaf
It doesn't look like itd jump that high
nova shell
no no it was built for pouncing and was agile cat has a time machine
sly hatch
Yes phat
Exactly
And it could jump hella high
clever leaf
Give me your time machine
nova shell
No me
sly hatch
They lived in Cretaceous and pounced on massive things
rose sundial
It was built to fit to the echosystem. Does it fit to the echosystem in isle?
rose sundial
🤷
nova shell
clever leaf
Dondi's a fuckboy for JP, he wants the raptor to be JP-based
brisk mesa
^^^^^^^
brisk mesa
Utahraptor is nothing like JP.
nova shell
its model does not resemble it
rose sundial
Omg stop saying that, you are gonna make him leave the discord again 😂
rose sundial
This is for suggestions and not to shit talk
barren zephyr
gib dilo jump
barren zephyr
make dilo fastr
nova shell
buff rex bb nerf carno turn***
sly hatch
Rex does not need a buff are u insane
brisk mesa
Someone is gonna end up calling the blue police
rose sundial
If a rex catches you, you shouldnt get out of that without a bone break, doesnt matter what you are
clever leaf
Lol can you not detect sarcasm
brisk mesa
^^^^
sly hatch
Yea well nothing in this game makes sense so to hell with that
barren zephyr
dilo kills para if its night
sly hatch
And??
clever leaf
Shitty para maybe
rose sundial
um
barren zephyr
oh wait
sly hatch
That’s what they’re supposed to do meiss
rose sundial
This game is mostly skill based unless you start alt-turning
barren zephyr
para now runs down all dilos and 2-1 shots them
sly hatch
Alt turn is booty
barren zephyr
have fun
sly hatch
#ban alt turn
brisk mesa
Alt turn is fucking vital.
brisk mesa
Game is so broken without it, ass riding galore.
rose sundial
I do 360 without moving too in real life
rose sundial
who doesnt do that
brisk mesa
balanced.
sly hatch
Literally crouch bite fool
sly hatch
And yes ceratos are Tanky so whatever
wintry cipher
@rose sundial but thats the fun part of dev branch lol 😛
barren zephyr
whenalt turning
clever leaf
Raptor players get erect about servers that disable alt turn
brisk mesa
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
sly hatch
I’ve murdered tons of raptors as a rex
rose sundial
I still dont get why they dont put in a "walking backwards" mechanic and replace alt-turn with it
barren zephyr
shit raptors
sly hatch
Literally use terrain and crouch bite and break stops
No they’re good trust me
Running and crying isn’t gonna do shit
brisk mesa
barren zephyr
sources: dude trust me
brisk mesa
^^^^^
barren zephyr
you literally pulled out the dude trust me
wintry cipher
even good raptors can get wrecked by a good prey item so
brisk mesa
The Isle Rule #1 Trust No One
sly hatch
Wanna move this to #401464048610312195
barren zephyr
i play dilo and utah
brisk mesa
Yep
rose sundial
Yeah you should do that
barren zephyr
i just think dilo should outspeed para
beacuse if a para sees a dilo at night nothing is stopping it from chasing it down and smaking it
clever leaf
Just because it can't handle bleed doesn't make it not capable of killing dilo
brisk mesa
Oh yeah but, everything can kill Dilo.
nova shell
i think uh
barren zephyr
it can still survive a dilo attack
nova shell
para claps dilo
brisk mesa
Everything except Galli and Dryo
rose sundial
A para survives with being fast
barren zephyr
para claps dilo ez
rose sundial
if something is faster than it, its dead
barren zephyr
hmm
nova shell
galli bones para confirmed?
barren zephyr
so a para loses to a utah every time
brisk mesa
Dilophosaurus dies to everything so IDK why you need a buff on it.
clever leaf
Carno is faster does that make para ded?
brisk mesa
It can kill everything, and can be killed by everything.
rose sundial
Dilo is op
brisk mesa
Yeah actually.
barren zephyr
di l o is o p
barren zephyr
utah can facetank it and win
brisk mesa
How many of those were Dilo lol
clever leaf
You probably took on mostly shitty ppl
rose sundial
around 500 i think lol
rose sundial
Unless a wipe happened
brisk mesa
Yeah lemme Press X to Doubt that.
rose sundial
aight lol
languid ember
^
barren zephyr
sources: dude trust me
high narwhal
sounds reliable
barren zephyr
yea thats one of the sources i used for my term paper at Harvard lul
clever leaf
Probably hid a lot. Or just played against mostly dumb players
barren zephyr
or spent all his time at night only eating ai
rose sundial
I've seen people with dinosaurs that had over 10.000 progression points on Isle. Nothing is impossible in this game
barren zephyr
yea
rose sundial
They can jump, ofc they do
barren zephyr
and out speed them
raptors outspeed para
oof
para loses to raptor 100% of the time
clever leaf
Safety rocks ftw
rose sundial
@barren zephyr You are a really really nice person I see. Nice to know you, will definitly talk to you alot more 😃
brisk mesa
3600
nova shell
this shouldnt be a stats game
like looking at things and buckling down and doing some math to know whether you can kill it or not
barren zephyr
i know dilo can kill it
i just wanna see
if para can kill a single dilo
which it can
nova shell
barren zephyr
cause dilo will deal 0 base and 14 bleed
so lets say dilo gets in 2 bites before the para murders it
the para will be fine
it just needs to sit
nova shell
see thats a stupid thing
sly hatch
Meiss
nova shell
you shouldnt be thinking "how many bites will this take" you should be thinking "shit i better bite this para a lot"
barren zephyr
i just want it to be faster than para
sly hatch
It’s a good dinosaur
nova shell
i mean para bones it
clever leaf
Para is abit too fast atm
sly hatch
It does incredible bleed damage and has amazing nv
nova shell
i think the problemo is that para is too fast, not that dilo is too slow
sly hatch
Well they need it to escape apex
clever leaf
Can run down and snorkel an allo
sly hatch
Just don’t attack a para meiss lol
wintry cipher
if para is any slower its giga food
clever leaf
Allo is a bit on the slow side
wintry cipher
(literally just remove giga and see what happens lol)
its slow because it can track you for 5+ minutes
and out stam you
sly hatch
Yees
wintry cipher
thats what makes allo dangerous
i hunted a para with my pack once
it ran
and we followed its prints
rose sundial
@nova shell don't you think that it already is a "stats game"? Ask people how many bites you need to kill a rex as a giga, they will give you an answer (2-3). Ask them how many you need for a para as a dilo and they will give you an answer
wintry cipher
it was out of stam and we nailed it
brisk mesa
It's already a stats game.
rose sundial
🤷
nova shell
yeah meh
sly hatch
Well that my friend is why you should play on realism lol
brisk mesa
I dont see why publishing them so there is no conjecture would be a problem.
nova shell
which is lame
rose sundial
Sadly, I wish that it wasn't a stat game but since it is one, it would be good to know the stats
sly hatch
Unless u do
nova shell
at least locational damage would spice it up a little
barren zephyr
IT STILL DOES THO
brisk mesa
Dryosaurus kills another Dryo in 9 hits
sly hatch
Exactly mehmet
icy venture
brisk mesa
Example, T.rex could have a range betweeen say, 5500 weight and 6300 weight
nova shell
juvi carno kills juvi diablo in infinite hits
i was spam attacking this dude and he didnt even care
nova shell
and both of us were fresh spawns btw
wintry cipher
you get people to act realistic by making things deterrent to attacking
brisk mesa
But anyways, only way to cease a stat game is for there to be variable
nova shell
and i did none to him
rose sundial
Also a point, alot dinos are useless unless they are full grown C;
nova shell
especially carno
wintry cipher
example: if dilo could kill a para in 2 hits from bleed, that para would not run at the dilo
barren zephyr
but it cant
wintry cipher
even if it killed said dilo its wasting 4 hours for a 2 hour kill
well -it would be broken if it did. so something else has to be figured out
rose sundial
I've had alot situations when I was bigger than another dino, which was the reason why I tried to kill it. It destroyed my ass
nova shell
^
unborn quail
And would rather kill the thing no matter the risk
rose sundial
🤷 
nova shell
thinking about risk vs reward is not the way of the isle playerbase
nova shell
yeah
brisk mesa
T.rex: could shitfuck Giga, but dies afterwards
nova shell
but people just dont think anymore
sly hatch
Progression was hard
brisk mesa
thought LONG AND HARD about a 1v1
Exactly
Progression was fucking brutal and so hard and i fucking loved it
nova shell
balance is kinda fricked for several creatures in survival, more specifically herbivores
brisk mesa
Trexes see a Giga and could eat its ass.
rose sundial
Progression was a finished game mode
wintry cipher
giga and rex should be like dilo and utah: mutual destruction
brisk mesa
Nah it had a lot of room to be worked on.
rose sundial
and they just stop working on it and focus every shit on survival
barren zephyr
the problem s
brisk mesa
Yeah.
rose sundial
2 years of work
brisk mesa
XD
rose sundial
"fuck it, survival is the shit"
wintry cipher
if that dilo takes a bite or two and just runs, even if it dies that utah will die from bleed.
a utah HAS to stay still ina face tank
barren zephyr
yea
wintry cipher
so your a dumbass if you sit still and guarantee his survival
barren zephyr
i dont sit still when i play dilo
barren zephyr
yea i get it
my problem is that when something like para can just chase you down and 2 shot you whats the point
brisk mesa
Ok...
Jazzhands to Allo.
Whats the point of Allo if its ran down and raped by a Giga?
rose sundial
🤷
barren zephyr
when was the last time you saw an adult allo
brisk mesa
Whats the point of Diablo if its ran down and raped by a Rex
languid ember
I’ve seen tons of allos on v3 today
nova shell
i saw an adult allo on v3 earlier
rose sundial
The game stats have never been balanced (rememberes dibble bb)
brisk mesa
I saw a pack of Allos
right near a pack of Gigas
The game had moments it was balanced, mehmet
twice.
The game was balanced.
Both during progression.
rose sundial
I didnt get to see those times then.. feelssadman
brisk mesa
Damn shame they never emulated those pristine moments of 'shit is fucking clean tho'
feels bad man indeed
rose sundial
I only played modded servers cuz vanilla stats sucked whenever i played them
nova shell
i dont see why not have snow
rose sundial
its christmas, why not
nova shell
an actual layer of snow on the ground everywhere? Unless it's some kind of special weather event I don't see it happening
rose sundial
Ofc it wont happen, it was suggested by someone in the community 🙃
nova shell
rose sundial
Holy shit, I just realized how bad the situation of this game is
nova shell
wym
rose sundial
I mean, it's dying : )
civic echo
Personally, I think constant “summer” “spring” is boring.
barren zephyr
lul
rose sundial
The community complains more than praising the devs for what they do
civic echo
I’m not complaining, I just find the lack of seasons a bit boring. No doubt they do amazing work.
brisk mesa
Ok tell me something
wintry cipher
theyll probably get to that eventually. its just not a priority
civic echo
@wintry cipher I agree
barren zephyr
yes
brisk mesa
That's some mod suited shit.
wintry cipher
there will be differing biomes for creatures so i imagine we may have snowy mountains
since the "island" seems based ina northern hemisphere style area
brisk mesa
Ok but none of the creatures ingame are suited for snow.
civic echo
There has always been different seasons? If they’re trying to make an accurate game, seasons should be apart of it.
brisk mesa
Actually, tbf, southern hemisphere has a lot of conifers as well.
rose sundial
@civic echo dw lol, didnt mean that you complained 😂 it was releated to the thing i said before
wintry cipher
auroras?
wintry cipher
ill sniff and see what compas directiont he auroras are coming from next time
then we can solve this!
XD
brisk mesa
They come from vertical dont they?
civic echo
@rose sundial I would just like the aesthetic of snow. It would be fun 😂
wintry cipher
nope. they def have a direction to them
rose sundial
Hehe, yes^^
civic echo
Didn’t Dondi say he’s not adding Hypo Herbivores?
brisk mesa
🤦
rose sundial
Dondi said alot of things my fren, alooot of things
civic echo
That is true
brisk mesa
You say snow should be added....
nova shell
never
civic echo
Ever
wintry cipher
hypo herbivores would not wipe out the population of animals. only eat shit tons of plants and wipe out the foliage.
brisk mesa
bc it would be fun.
wintry cipher
and the herb pop consequently
nova shell
never ever
rose sundial
I'd prefer snow over hypos ; )
civic echo
^
brisk mesa
gdi y'all cannot understand an analogy.
wintry cipher
XD
rose sundial
wintry cipher
i got it i just enjoy hypotheticals too much
brisk mesa
Yeah IK
nova shell
ok meh was joking
rose sundial
brisk mesa
im just saying how do you cope
wintry cipher
hm
nova shell
unhinged u cant seriously want snow over hypos
brisk mesa
AH
wintry cipher
so i guess im immune
nova shell
no i dont believe it its a joke
brisk mesa
That explains it
civic echo
Considering I didn’t play when hypos were a thing in-game, I cant vouch for it.
wintry cipher
i literally just ignore it for the most part
rose sundial
We are getting hypo water soon bois!!!
wintry cipher
im not perfect at it but
rose sundial
: D
nova shell
hypo air wen
brisk mesa
Hypo air is snow flakes
brisk mesa
We have plenty of special ones
wintry cipher
heh
rose sundial
God you could litterly make memes of this hypo thing
nova shell
when are we getting hypo neuro spino tho
brisk mesa
hypo neuro spino is created when a neuro spino eats icecream too fast
rose sundial
Probably next week (which means after 2 months)
brisk mesa
brain freeze
verbal acorn
@brisk mesa I’m not convinced we need to give the Carno more turn. It is supposed to have physical restrictions to its turn from what I understand. Let the turn remain a defining aspect of the Carno. Instead, give it a great bonus to the eventually all dino ability to bite and lock/grab onto its prey.
Let that jaw, neck and head allow it to do more damage during bite locks, or drain stamina from its prey during the bite lock...or have it significantly stack bleed on its prey during the bite lock...define the Carno’s perk to its specialized weapon...its head and jaw.
This way, one still has to overcome the turn deficit to successfully land the bite lock, but you are rewarded for skillfully landing the hit.
brisk mesa
Why does that tie into Carnotaurus being a small game hunter in the slightest?
You two shot small things.
Why the fuck would biting something small benefit from holding onto it?
A bite lock would help it hunt Paras and Maias.
NOT its intended small game targets.
Carno is meant to be the fast small game hunter, not a pitbull.
Biting and locking on a target your size isnt a problem.
That is entirely irrelevant to its turn radius; an Allo doesnt juke a Carno, nore does a Maia or Para
Its turn deficit is only relevant considering it inhibits its ability to hunt its intended prey
glossy pecan
If you've ever looked into the Carnos anatomy, you do know that it' tail was very stiff caused by the tail vertebrates. It was stiff because it's tail was the power source for it's speed. It had MASSIVE muscles attached from it's tail to it's hips. Those muscles pulled its legs back causing it to run as fast as it does. I do agree that it should be able to reliably hit stuff low to the ground. The Carno could not turn in a good way at all though. In fact, it wasn't very flexible in body at all. It was only its neck that could move very freely and then it's head. Because of its agility in the entire build of its head it was very moveable and it could probably take huge chunks of food out of bodies. Its front of the skull was angled up a lot (plus the moveable build of the skull) and it could take bigger bites out of a body/struggling dino. Maybe making it more of a medium game hunter, like Maiasaura.
@brisk mesa
lament thorn
this is a game
brisk mesa
IK the accurate Carno turn is shit.
glossy pecan
It is suggestion discussion after all.
brisk mesa
Yeah don't get me wrong, its just the devs want him to be a small game hunter.
That's the fundamental issue.
My idea isnt for Carno to turn magnificently well all the time.
civic echo
brisk mesa
Its just, if it keeps running, it gradually becomes less shit.
glossy pecan
Yeah, true. It's kinda funny how when you try to kill something small you miss it, have to turn, run back, miss.
lament thorn
since we have animals interacting with each other that never met they cant be 100% realistic otherwise a handful would just dominate the rest
brisk mesa
hehe
barren zephyr
dilo would quite literally be usless
glossy pecan
Like, realisic rex could run a lill faster than 30 km/h
barren zephyr
what
brisk mesa
Dilo would indeed be useless.
glossy pecan
I think atleast
brisk mesa
Ingame it already hits those speeds actually.
However it's stamina would be autistic.
Power walk champion.
rose sundial
I mean wh at
glossy pecan
It would be like trike, rex and utah
brisk mesa
Erm
brisk mesa
Anky too.
rose sundial
Honk
brisk mesa
Largest ecosystem, i think, would be : Galli, Velo, Theri, press T for Tarbosaurus
rose sundial
twabwosauwus
lament thorn
wen
verbal acorn
Devs need to let Dilos, Utahs, etc be the small game hunters. Carno needs to be the flexible small to medium game hunter. One that is lightly built, fast, devastating rag-dolling, 1-hit kill vs small game, protracted hit & run bleeder vs low tier mediums, pack based bit & lock in order to stamina drain and drag/pull down medium tier and up medium prey.
wintry cipher
sounds like stuff allos going to do with its grapple against medium/large prey.
the devs want to avoid overlap to ensure dinos are each unique from one another. if carno can do that and its faster -what would be the point of allo?
brisk mesa
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Dilos and Utahs ARE the small game to begin with.
And both have abilities that let them be medium / big game hunters lmao
Pounce and Venom, respecitvely.
Allo is the generalist.
It kills small and medium, without being amazingly good at either.
normal fern
@verbal acorn you just described allo
brisk mesa
XD he did
verbal acorn
No, Carno has the speed to be better at small game hunting, but too light weight to easily tackle medium prey without packing...with even pack hunting mediums resulting in higher casualty/injury rates than the Allo.
The Allo should be a medium specialist, tackling higher tier mediums much easier with a pack...mediums that a Carno can’t tolerate being hit by. The Allo would be able to dabble with small prey IF it can catch it...generally necessitating a much more skillful or advantageous ambush.
But of course, there will be overlap between all neighboring dinos, but the niche will be based on where each Dino’s niche centers along the spectrum
barren zephyr
Carno should really be a solo dino, all you are saying is carno is allo but shitty
brisk mesa
^^^^
verbal acorn
Also, keep in mind...the Allo’s grab would be using arms and bite, a much more controlled embrace of prey. The Carno sould be a bit & lock, much less control and still capable of receiving damage from its struggling prey.
barren zephyr
And theres nothing medium tier carno should be able to hunt
Maia would knock it over
Diablo would shred it
Pachy is dead unless a good leg hit
verbal acorn
Carno would be small prey soloist, opportunistic pack hunters of mediums
barren zephyr
OpPoRtUnIsTiC makes it an allo
At most
2 carnos
I hope affinity makes it like that
verbal acorn
Yes, Carno pack hunting would be at a higher risk of injury...something the Allo would be better able to weather
nova shell
read my wall of text pls
brisk mesa
You dont have it open lmfao
nova shell
shit
brisk mesa
You posted a useless link wood
XD
You posted an edit link w/ permission
So I'd need to email you
You add me to exceptions
and then I'd be able to control+a & control+delte
barren zephyr
Nawh let him re send it
brisk mesa
and your wall has crumbled
nova shell
aha i did it
barren zephyr
But reaable
verbal acorn
That’s the purpose of packing up, to allow you to hunt up a weight class
brisk mesa
I was joking its fine
nova shell
hush now
brisk mesa
Carno isnt MEANT to be doing that lol.
nova shell
read the wall
brisk mesa
It can sure.
nova shell
they're there then there's a carno and they're not there anymore
nova shell
^
brisk mesa
You are already overstepping your boundaries pack hunting.
verbal acorn
Or bigger things as a pack...it’s jaw and head are designed for biting and locking on.
barren zephyr
So is urtah
brisk mesa
Packing is for Allosaurus and Utahraptor.
nova shell
ok so rex is supposed to hunt armored herbivores by itself or in pairs right
verbal acorn
You can’t stop them from packing
nova shell
but
barren zephyr
Biting and locking on so its strong neck can shake the dryo it kiling
nova shell
BUT
verbal acorn
There is no reason to assume they wouldn’t pack
barren zephyr
😏
brisk mesa
Yeah doesnt mean it is designed to pack lol.
nova shell
idk why mi rex pack cant kill this pue
brisk mesa
Just because they can
nova shell
dondi pls biuff rex
brisk mesa
Doesnt mean the devs should reward them
for doing something they arent intended to do
nova shell
mi rex pack cant kill this sauropod dondi it needs a buff
barren zephyr
@verbal acorn could you and ur entire household live off of squirrels?
brisk mesa
LOL
nova shell
my wall when
brisk mesa
Shortly wood
nova shell
leaden night
What if my entire household only has one person