once alt turn is removed
#videos-and-streams
vocal sundial
carnos new acceleration speed is hella neat ya know
you dont instantly start running
gilded canopy
that would be the same for dilo XD
tawdry pivot
carno is not the OP beast it was before. And with bleeding going to change into heal debuff instead of dots, well
gilded canopy
carnos not that bad once you notice that accel will help him turn when hes running rite?
gilded canopy
slower start allows you to aim where you want to go
vocal sundial
it also stalls
gilded canopy
if you need to turn you got the time
stoic plover
yeah when you start moving
vocal sundial
if you keep juking that carno
gilded canopy
decel is a different thing tho
stoic plover
once you move and you want to readjust you need to stop, reorient, and then go again
vocal sundial
You gotta wait for the carno to get really close to you
like about to bite ur tail
then make a quick turn
gilded canopy
also if were talking the plains situation thats pretty easy to do XD
vocal sundial
and itll throw it off
gilded canopy
carno has all the room to turn and chase ur ass down in the plains
it rules there
dilo would be better in a marsh
more places to hide
vocal sundial
at night everything is pretty much ur domain as dilo
like i keep restating over and over and over again
you have the best nv in the game
you can see anything coming before it even sees you
gilded canopy
i can see where you come from but how many people thought that just being able to see your enemy means they cant find you and run you down before you have time to escape XD
i admit dilo gotta be master of tact
vocal sundial
you'll already have a head start in terms of escape
gilded canopy
Most dinos run faster than dilo.
vocal sundial
Mhm
gilded canopy
In marsh i see it getting away cuz the dips and curves
coarse tapir
I wonder what dilo will have in terms of it's gimmick
vocal sundial
but if you saw a carno across a field
gilded canopy
but in plains dilo is kind of at a disadvantage if its not near a forest line
vocal sundial
and you started running
coarse tapir
and I feel like it will be one of those few that will still deal DOT with bleed or whatever
or in general
vocal sundial
then like 1 minute later the carno spots ytou
tawdry pivot
Also, Dondi said that Dilo is going to have at least as much HP than UTah, probably more
vocal sundial
you would already almost be at the trees
gilded canopy
Thats if you get away without them noticing tuck
stoic plover
Dilo would definitely be better on the forestline or in swamps rather than in an open field, even with the nv advantage
gilded canopy
carno could just smell ur tracks if it notices you
vocal sundial
They wouldnt notice immediatly
coarse tapir
The carno would kill you
tawdry pivot
I main Dilo and plains are a no no anyway
coarse tapir
but you would hurt it i feel
stoic plover
theres not much use to seeing a predator far away if they can just run you down while you try and book it back to the treeline
coarse tapir
if dilo turns out to be what i think
gilded canopy
Tuck i said if it notices you immediately cuz some people arent tactful and run as soon as they see something of the like
static parcel
@tawdry pivot he said it would have more HP than Utah?
coarse tapir
depends on it's weightmass and it's DOT if / when it gets it and bleed doesnt deal DOT anymore
That's why you don't run
tawdry pivot
@static parcel let me edit the screen I took
vocal sundial
yes
stoic plover
Thats a good enough reason for me to not go stalking around in the middle of an open field
coarse tapir
so when the new footprint stuff happens you can just walk and you'll be fine
but a vision advantage is very good
gilded canopy
if a carno is actively patrolling the plains ur gonna die if your near it guaranteed
vocal sundial
if it smells and sees you before you see it because ur blind
coarse tapir
it's literally super vision
gilded canopy
especially if you run
gilded canopy
then it can smell ur tracks
vocal sundial
if ur looking around 360 constantly
gilded canopy
yee
vocal sundial
and spot it long before it spots you
tawdry pivot
@static parcel
vocal sundial
you will probably get away unless it spots you
gilded canopy
i mean
vocal sundial
but by then it would probably already be near the treeline
coarse tapir
That's what I thought
gilded canopy
do we know how carno's nv works yet?
coarse tapir
dilo will be stronger than utah
gilded canopy
or smell radius
pliant dew
hm
coarse tapir
but it doesn't have the speed or immobilization / pack potential
pliant dew
dilo is taller yeah but lanky
topaz zephyr
If Dilos do well enough, they can take on just about everything, once they have venom.
reef harness
Anyone??????? What happened in the stream??
topaz zephyr
Meaning
coarse tapir
Utah did get a size nerf though
topaz zephyr
apexs, carnos and such.
coarse tapir
since a while back
if you saw it compared to dilo like 2 streams ago utah is like 2/3 it's height
static parcel
@tawdry pivot damn
coarse tapir
Utah will be fast though
gilded canopy
Dilo , if its venom is added will be much stronger than utah
knotty wagon
1 calling dilo face
topaz zephyr
Dilos decently speedy.
gilded canopy
Theres a clean difference between strong and nimble however
topaz zephyr
don't recall testing it..
knotty wagon
Dilo has a lot of endurance right now
tawdry pivot
Utah will still have the speed, agility and pounce over DIlo
topaz zephyr
But pretty sure a Dilo can track a Utah down.
vocal sundial
once utah pounce is implemented
and its on dilo
2 utahs could vore a dilo
maybe even 1
knotty wagon
muh pounce
vocal sundial
if it gets the dilo half afk and sitting
coarse tapir
If it can't catch you then you are fine, and utah pounce allows utah to have a lot of pack potential
coarse tapir
I don't know if utah would be able to pounce dilo
topaz zephyr
Dilos both too large/small, and dosen't have the surface area to be pounced.
coarse tapir
I think pounce will be on things that can be pounced and 1 shot, or things that are big enough to be grappled onto
indigo stream
Probably more of a tackle then
coarse tapir
So juvies and things like para
are my guess
anything similar-size will have to be fought with out pounce
2 utahs could definitely kill a dilo provided they aren't stupid
coarse tapir
And I think when pounce comes out utahs will find themselves in groups more often because multiple people pouncing > 1 person
vocal sundial
so it isnt like insta death and with rapid stam loss
a solo utah prolly wouldnt get a dilo
forget what i said earlier about the solo utah
granite rose
Huh. Thought Dilo was built lighter than Utah
coarse tapir
works better for survival if it's stronger
coarse tapir
and it's bigger in size now compared to utah when it was first released because of utah's size change
lilac vortex
basically a meme compared to utah atm
lilac vortex
damn, rip carno in that case
so if bleed won't do damage what does that mean for dinos that rely on bleed to kill things?
coarse tapir
probably base damage increase
gilded canopy
once bleed is reworked that is its gonna be cancer to deal with the more bleed you have i guess
coarse tapir
but it will make them more trackablemuch faster
gilded canopy
or the worse in bleeding condition you are
coarse tapir
and will stop them from healing really well
half berry
it will make things interesting
tawdry pivot
bleeding will not be a DoT anymore
vocal sundial
bleeding will be for tracking
vocal sundial
yeah
tawdry pivot
I hope Allo will keep its DoT too
vocal sundial
i wish carno would keep it if its gonna get it removed for carno
tawdry pivot
nah
vocal sundial
i see carno as a bleeder but mk
tawdry pivot
See carno teeths? see allo's ones? huge difference
static parcel
Carno has baby teeth compared to Allo.
lilac vortex
smaller carnivores that hunt bigger animals (allo for example) NEED bleed to be competitive
tawdry pivot
Carno doesn't need it
lilac vortex
without bleed damage they won't be able to team up on larger animals and kill them
tawdry pivot
It hunts small things
lilac vortex
yeah
tawdry pivot
that's its niche
lilac vortex
carno shouldn't be a bleeder like it is right now
it should be a fast carnivore that hunts smaller animals
vocal sundial
mhm that is true
gilded canopy
No aliens
vocal sundial
yall are right actually
gilded canopy
thats not true proof
vocal sundial
carno shouldnt keep dot
pliant dew
damage over time
gilded canopy
ohe
tawdry pivot
Carno can keep its DoT for now, but when it will have its more speed = more damage mechanic, it will not need DoTs anymore
lilac vortex
apexs should still cause bleed dots
there's no way you get bitten by something that big and just shrug it off
tawdry pivot
Giga will keep DoTs, that's Dondi's words
topaz zephyr
Carno is already at it's max speed, iirc.
lilac vortex
i'm sorry but it'll be really silly if rexes don't cause bleed
topaz zephyr
Just dosen't have its' mechanic in.
lilac vortex
like
topaz zephyr
It'll cause bleed, but the DOT won't cause damage.
lilac vortex
how you gonna have huge chunk of flesh ripped out by a rex and not bleed to death
lilac vortex
stfu you minivan of a dinosaur
tawdry pivot
bleed is overperforming, we all know that
static parcel
bonebreak too
gilded canopy
carno is hella fast rn
rich bay
Could possibly see Carno doing dot if,and only if, it manages to strike you while going full speed, to take into account its combat mechanic
gilded canopy
i proposed a way for it to have ambush that would be relevant to acceleration too
static parcel
bonebreak is disgusting right now
lilac vortex
you can heal bleed but bonebreak straight ends fights
especially with alt turning the way it is
rich bay
Bb is pretty toxic lol
lilac vortex
nah. bone break is OP because of turning
if you can't turn to bite what you're fighting, you die
rich bay
Exactly..unless you're Stego or Anky..might aswell just lie down and wait till you die
tawdry pivot
alt-turn?
chilly bough
Can't alt turn with your leg broken
gilded canopy
Guys bone break is op because you are crippled beyond a stone
tawdry pivot
so awesome to get ass bitten to death? no thanks
lilac vortex
but that's what alt turn literally does
rich bay
I mean, either way your ass still gets ridden
static parcel
should've seen what carnos and austros were like before alt-turn existed.
lilac vortex
as a rex you can bone break another apex then just bite its ass all day
tawdry pivot
@static parcel indeed
rich bay
@static parcel Eww no stop please 
static parcel
They are the reason why alt turn even existed in the place.
lilac vortex
and now, in a fit of cruel irony, carnos can exploit alt turn to basically turn on a dime and maintain full speed
brings a tear to me eye
tawdry pivot
at least now they have to use it, not just mindlessly charge at things and get a free kill
juking them is now actually possible
Also, I didn't screenshotted it, but Dondi said that now, Maia can't just bone break and run away. I think their bone break is now gone
static parcel
Well, that's a good change.
I would think that Maia and Dilo should just ignore each other, except Dilo hunting juvenile maias.
tawdry pivot
and maia killing juvie dilos
static parcel
pffft
tawdry pivot
like all herbs
rich bay
They didn't really need it anyway...Just run away the second you see a threat and you're fine
tawdry pivot
they are bloodthirsty
topaz zephyr
Juvie Maia gets rekt by a Juvie Utah, lmfao.
So small, you can't keep it off your ass.
static parcel
only carno can catch maia, but carno shouldnt really be attacking stuff that big normally, and maias turn isn't quite as bad as carnos.
rich bay
baby Utah kills every other baby lol ...my V key isn't working when it's not capitalized..odd..
tawdry pivot
now cerato is the best juvie
destroying all other juvies
even apexes
quote Dondi
static parcel
lmao that's just amazing
coarse tapir
Makes sense in a way
coarse tapir
can't bully things off of corpses if you are a pussy for an hour
tawdry pivot
Cerato body weight: 2250. Hp: 4500. Direct damage : 350
it's a beast
for its size
topaz zephyr
Mhm, a brawler.
rich bay
All fun and games to be a Cerato till a Giga friend group spots you
topaz zephyr
Don't need a pack to be a bully to a lone Carno.
tawdry pivot
it's just a bully. one cerato can steal a carno or even allo's meal
it is stronger than allo
gilded canopy
idk about that
tawdry pivot
Dondi said it
gilded canopy
oof
rich bay
In-game Dondi said it was
pliant dew
h
tawdry pivot
I'm watching the stream since the beginning
rich bay
Allo's "In-between Cerato and Carno"
tawdry pivot
yeah
pliant dew
cerato being stronger than allo is still funny to me lol
topaz zephyr
Well, Alien.
tawdry pivot
it's an odd thing to say
topaz zephyr
Depends on the players skill.
gilded canopy
your waifu aint all that great anymore is it alien
rich bay
Just hope it dosen't have that god tier stam pool
pliant dew
it's like what lol
vestal venture
i think its 1v1 cerato can take allo, but once theres more than one allo the cerato is basically done for
pliant dew
skill doesn't matter
pliant dew
the game isn't skillful atm
tawdry pivot
Cerato have the best bleed resistance of the game
rich bay
^It's mostly just stat based
coarse tapir
^
gilded canopy
Skill isnt a maia getting chased by a rex and bone breaking that mug cuz he sucks
static parcel
maia is wayyy faster than rex
rich bay
..Though you do get lucky on occasion..killed a Rex as a Stego a few times
coarse tapir
"small part"
topaz zephyr
you fuck up, you die.
topaz zephyr
😂
tawdry pivot
this game is actually skill based. I saw terrible players, and I saw untouchable ones lol
coarse tapir
unless the rex is just literally braindead
pliant dew
skill can exist in the future but it doesn't play apart in the game currently
combat is way too 1d
mental vault
Ye. Need that combat overhau;
coarse tapir
Literally unless players are braindead stats play 90% of the role in combat
tawdry pivot
It's not about combat. it's about hunt
coarse tapir
basically
rich bay
That is what makes Giga so easy is the ghosting through other players..I'd like to see them pull off a hit-n' run when they can't run through someone
pliant dew
i like cerato being a honey badger but it being stronger than allo outright is funny to me
2 ceratos should kill allo for sure
tawdry pivot
It is also slow
craggy ruin
Have to agree with aliens. Cerato is my No.1 favourite dinosaur... but it being bigger and stronger than allo doesn’t really make sense
rich bay
Cerato'll definitely be a forest dweller..way too slow to be on the plains
static parcel
I imagine Dilo as forest dweller too
craggy ruin
Cerato is way to slow to do anything atm
static parcel
In that case, I think I may worry about Cerato more than Carno
because I may see it more often
but can escape it easy
pliant dew
just trot away from it lmao
craggy ruin
A fresh spawned baby dryo could outpace a cerato
vocal sundial
deadly adder
trail jackal
If a carno sees you
vocal sundial
cerato doesnt need to hunt
trail jackal
You're dead
craggy ruin
It needs to be able to hunt sometimes. There’s not always people to bully off corpses
vocal sundial
just has to stalk any medium carnivore
pliant dew
Rex doesn't need to hunt either
vocal sundial
like allo or carno
trail jackal
Not if the carno is smart
pliant dew
lol
pliant dew
that's like
the chances of that happening are so low
here's a reality
cerato smells carcass and goes to it
goes to eat
GIGA/REX AMBUSH
rich bay
^
tawdry pivot
hence why we need apexes gone
pliant dew
Cerato smells carcass, goes to it
vocal sundial
yes
pliant dew
Carno eating from it
craggy ruin
That’s presuming you can keep up with them. Any good player is immediately going to know all they have to do is sprint for 30 seconds and they are safe again
pliant dew
Cerato sprints to it
trail jackal
Cera will probs be bullied by utahs
gilded canopy
Carnage the fok
pliant dew
Carno eats what it can and trots away worry free
vocal sundial
cera will probs rid out its utah's throat um
craggy ruin
Carnos trot is literally only a bit slower than ceratos sprint
vocal sundial
cerato alt turn
tawdry pivot
it has 4500 Hp and the best bleed resist of the game
craggy ruin
Cerato simply won’t be able to make it being that slow
tawdry pivot
don't attack it as a utah
trail jackal
Utah pack
craggy ruin
A trike can run you down and kill you
trail jackal
Ya deaf
vocal sundial
deadly
coarse tapir
I think the strength in cerato vs allo lies in the weight mass differencer
vocal sundial
cerato is faster than rex
craggy ruin
A para can run you down and kill you
coarse tapir
if it kept the health value but got lower weight mass and size then allo would be able to beat it
vocal sundial
yeah rip
coarse tapir
but it would bully everything it's weight mass and below
vocal sundial
idk about how para is gonna do that
gilded canopy
uh
craggy ruin
Cerato isn’t faster than Rex
vocal sundial
well like
gilded canopy
if cerato is stronger than allo para aint gon be shit if it has a pack
vocal sundial
idk how its gonna cope with para
gilded canopy
thats why its called a pack bully
coarse tapir
No one called it a pack bully
craggy ruin
Cerato is the slowest carnivore in game bar the velo lol
gilded canopy
I did
pliant dew
only a bit faster than rex
rich bay
Para's kick is mad strong..but it just has to trot away lol
pliant dew
it got buffed a bit ago
coarse tapir
bully for corpses makes more sense
coarse tapir
plus para can literally just run away leisurely
gilded canopy
by a para of all things
coarse tapir
cerato is a fat fuck
gilded canopy
das why i call it a pack bully
craggy ruin
Para will destroy ceratos
pliant dew
rex is 800 cm/s
trail jackal
How big was para again?
abstract phoenix
Can anyone link me the new pachy model idea?
coarse tapir
It can bully things off of corpses but it can't chase and hunt them
that's the point
pliant dew
coarse tapir
what does a pack have to do with the fact that para can run away easily
tropic patrol
Cerato should follow Aliens's suggestion
abstract phoenix
Thx aliens
craggy ruin
If a para sees you there will be nothing stopping it from sprinting up and smashing your face
coarse tapir
it's not like a pack means it can catch it lol
gilded canopy
** yo cerato is gon be hella good in packs cuz other shit gon try to run it down and gon get rik rekt**
pliant dew
rex has the bully off corpses thing tho
vocal sundial
i hope pachy is able to headbutt rexes off mountains
rich bay
Para's the largest non apex playable in surViVal (Can't type V unless it's capitalized for some reason)
coarse tapir
That's why they don't run it down?
vocal sundial
that would be magnificent
coarse tapir
They just avoid it
gilded canopy
my point
coarse tapir
k
tawdry pivot
I haven't seen any para since dryo and maia are implemented
rich bay
Buff Pachy will surely be fun
gilded canopy
thats why i call cerato a pack bully
pliant dew
cerato basically is following my suggestion, only difference is that ingame ceratosaurus is slow and is at the same size @tropic patrol
and that it can kill allo easily
tropic patrol
fuck
pliant dew
😦
tropic patrol
Why is it slow
coarse tapir
more like pack wall
tropic patrol
Why is it huge as fuck
static parcel
Wasn't your suggestion making Cerato smaller in size to hide better?
pliant dew
ye
tropic patrol
Yes
gilded canopy
nah just cuz they fat dont mean theres tactic to being a bully
trail jackal
And faster
pliant dew
it'd also be faster because weight would impact it at that size
trail jackal
Yup
gilded canopy
one thing that requires skill is bait
craggy ruin
Cerato should be smaller and much faster. Would make for much better gameplay than a slow lumbering meat bag that has to hope it can find something smaller than it that made a kill
tropic patrol
Cerato is the "don't judge a book by it's cover" dinosaur
pliant dew
much like how a smaller rex is faster than a larger rex. stride helps yes, but only to an extent
square cube law
gilded canopy
set people up in places around a specific dino
and drive it in with a couple of the pack
then it has nowhere to go
brittle halo
I honestly like the idea of Cerato being a honey badger like dinosaur, I think it suits it.
trail jackal
Medium bully should be reserved for a certain other dinosaur
gilded canopy
Tuck read what i just said and youll be mind blown XD
vocal sundial
and then apexes=the parents
pliant dew
Carno = specialized for smaller prey, speedy but lightly built. Allo = ?, pretty versatile hunter, middle of the spectrum. Alberto = Similar niche to allo but more rex-like, ambush oriented vs the allo's pursuit oriented hunting with bonebreak and a beefy build, not as agile and not as much stam. Sucho = Fisher niche, beefiest and able to deter other predators and defend itself but can not stomp other predators or steal corpses like cerato due to lower bleed resistance, doesn't compete directly with other mid-tiers. Cerato = scavenger niche, smaller but very resiliant and survivable scavenger, good scent and very high bleed resistance with high damage and possibly health relative to it's size but too slow to hunt most things reliably, high stamina relative to it's size for easier travelling to access corpses.
Best way to do mid tiers
@coarse tapir's suggestion
rich bay
I mean, being a big, bad bully mid carni sounds more interesting than just being able to eat corpses imo
tropic patrol
Thing is
gilded canopy
Cerato is like a crocodile i guess
tropic patrol
Cerato is the dino you don't want to fight
gilded canopy
fat but can get the drop on things
heady verge
Ceratos prey item could be Pachyrhino
tropic patrol
because it's risky to do so
heady verge
😃
gilded canopy
hecks no
topaz zephyr
Uhm..
rich bay
No lol
trail jackal
Whut
static parcel
Pachyrhino should hunt Cerato?
tropic patrol
I want Cerato to hunt Maia
topaz zephyr
Pachyrhino is in between Dibble and Trike, so, defiantly not.
vocal sundial
i think tahts neat
heady verge
@static parcel I like the way you think writes notes
topaz zephyr
@vocal sundial You know those are old af, right?
craggy ruin
Have you ever tried to ambush anything as cerato... it’s a joke.
gilded canopy
lemme suggest something
vocal sundial
ik twilia
trail jackal
Pachyr was albert food
tropic patrol
But why is it so slow and huge
gilded canopy
i think
rich bay
Cerato will never catch Maia, unless it's actually braindead
tropic patrol
Like for a Cerato
gilded canopy
cerato will hunt other carnivores
static parcel
did cerato actually get slower than before?
coarse tapir
thanks fam
craggy ruin
Cerato wont hunt other carnivores
gilded canopy
Specifically for their food
trail jackal
Cerato can eat itself
craggy ruin
It won’t be able to catch them
tawdry pivot
cerato is the best at hunting corpses
gilded canopy
sometimes just to kill them for food
tropic patrol
At current speed, Cerato wont do shit
gilded canopy
yall dont get what i said a minute ago
tropic patrol
28 km/H isn't enough to catch anything
gilded canopy
tactic is a thing, people just dont use it
tropic patrol
except outrun a rex
final citrus
Cerato is faster than before right?
trail jackal
But there are better options
rich bay
I can already picture Gigas patrolling forests for helpless Ceratos
gilded canopy
wait untill apexes take a hiatus from the cancer
tawdry pivot
^
rich bay
Just replace Giga with Spino..you'd have a lot less problems
craggy ruin
Even at full ambush speed, cerato could be within 3-4 body lengths of everything except trike and Rex and it wouldn’t catch any of them
tropic patrol
not 36 what the fuck
tropic patrol
Still
abstract phoenix
I mean Giga can ambush a Carno successfully sometimes..
pliant dew
mhm @craggy ruin
gilded canopy
Barely tactile
static parcel
Carno outruns Giga ambush
abstract phoenix
That's why I said sometimes
static parcel
It's the Carno's fault if it gets caught by Giga.
abstract phoenix
But I've seen it happen on countless occasions
tropic patrol
Giga ambush is almost 50 km/h
coarse tapir
TFW people hated gigas slower speed and wanted it to be fast again, becomes fast again and now everyone hates it again because it's too fast 
static parcel
@abstract phoenix those were probably all just dumb carnos
tropic patrol
Fast would be 34 km/h and it would be perfect
abstract phoenix
I have those THICC thighs and calves for a reason
rich bay
@coarse tapir I always wanted it to be slow..idk why people are changing their minds
coarse tapir
¯_(ツ)_/¯
topaz zephyr
@tropic patrol Giga is 22 MPH, iirc.
tropic patrol
Yes i use metric system
coarse tapir
you can see ingame through the question mark when selecting a dinosaur
gilded canopy
thx
topaz zephyr
Those are old and out dated.
coarse tapir
yeah but still
topaz zephyr
why are people reffering to old infromation?
craggy ruin
I love cerato, it’s my favourite dinosaur. But after it’s initial hype for joining survival phase nobody is going to play it. Who wants to play something that can be within 3-4 body lengths of every dinosaur in survival except Rex and trike and with full ambush still not even come close to catching them
coarse tapir
im guessing you are also getting new speed info off of streams as well?
half berry
Because it's the shown info
gilded canopy
shown info can be wrong
tropic patrol
Like Cerato should be 37 km/H and 7 meters long at best
topaz zephyr
That infromation is horribly out dayed. 😂
tropic patrol
it could still have 1800 health and 350 attack
topaz zephyr
Just because they were done, dosen't mean they're accurate.
gilded canopy
Cerato shouldnt be a speed demon
tropic patrol
That's not even a speed demon
coarse tapir
@craggy ruin It's for people with a different playstyle than wanting to chase and be able to hunt and kill everything
It's more of a scavenger
gilded canopy
It shouldnt be fast at all
half berry
Sure, but they are still shown, so ppl will continue to refer to them
coarse tapir
and don't fuck with me type
tropic patrol
It's enough speed to outrun giga
tawdry pivot
@craggy ruin you're not supposed to run after things as a cerato. that's not how it works
pliant dew
it shouldn't be a speed demon but it should be faster than what it is
rich bay
I mean, how are some people gonna know that..If there's in-game information, why would they automatically assume that it's wrong? 🤔 @topaz zephyr
coarse tapir
less of a giga let-me-chase-you-down-and-destroy-you type
pliant dew
(with a little bit of tuning to its balance)
gilded canopy
giga is larger and has a longer stride than a cerato does
pliant dew
Stride only helps so much
topaz zephyr
@rich bay They've been in-game for over a year.
gilded canopy
cerato is like a wiener dog compared to a doberman (giga)
pliant dew
Otherwise Giganotosaurus would be outrunning Allosaurus
rich bay
giga wouldn't be as fast as it is ingame anyways
gilded canopy
most people dont see how short ceratos legs are XD
topaz zephyr
And Allo is..25?
rich bay
Tbh..if Giga "flies" on land like it does with its ambush..I wouldn't tie down other animals with speed constraints if their legs are small, or whatever imo
nimble bear
what did he show on stream
gilded canopy
dev work
nimble bear
I know that, what kind
rich bay
Specifically Cerato and Diablo stuff...walked around new V3 a small bit as a Rex...That's all seen...for being late to the party
chilly bough
Messing with stats
nimble bear
what cerato stuff?
rich bay
did it have new anims yet?
rich bay
No
rich bay
Oh, and Dondi showed off Freds concept for the new Pachy https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/389557162529259520/453615276634669056/Pachy_small_1.png
gilded canopy
** S C R O L L U P** alot
lean valley
rich bay
It's gonna be a tough small fighter
gleaming epoch
i think too many spikes on the nose part but maybe thats just me
rich bay
No more helpless screaming goat boi
trail jackal
Current patchy looks like a crack addict
rich bay
Current Pachy's more anorexic than anything
trail jackal
Exacly
mental vault
It's also older than the isle
trail jackal
Crack addict
mental vault
old crack addict
final citrus
Wasnt the patch going to release in an hour 😦
mental vault
he needs his "heart medication" to be ground
pliant dew
it's today I believe
final citrus
What does cooking mean xD
rough talon
its processing
final citrus
ok
pliant dew
essentially processing
lean sentinel
is he streaming the isle
knotty wagon
no
lean sentinel
ok thanks
drowsy orbit
oh rip cerato is fictional movie monster boi
vague pasture
Is dondi changing Cerato's animations?
grizzled radish
reef harness
I missed the stream any news?
knotty wagon
scroll up
tropic patrol
Uh
old arch
ayyy
knotty wagon
New stream heh
queen badger
What’s Dondi working on today? I’m at work and my connection sucks too much to watch.
modern vigil
sameee
inner locust
nothing atm, its still the pre-stream screen. probably waiting on something first
queen badger
I hope it’s Dilo. I want my Warble Boi. 👀
sturdy lance
Oh yeah it's real noice
And the fact that dondi is so open about development and doesn't just blow smoke up our ass
Gotta love that shit
indigo stream
It really does give myself as a consumer a lot of confidence
queen badger
Yep
sturdy lance
I've been disapointed by other early access devs. But with these guys you get what you see
queen badger
Yeah it’s great
“But I heard the Dev is an asshole”
Dondi is the type of person that will give you a stupid answer for a stupid question, still probably the most honest game developer I’ve ever seen.
glass python
gusty vine
Barf
tribal ore
knotty wagon
wait, didn't Dilo and Raptor in JP get inverted? where the raptor got big as a tiger and the dilo was the size of a turkey?
sturdy lance
Yeah I don't get that
inner locust
its a popular theory that the JP dilo was a juvi
sturdy lance
Not that. The Utah comment
knotty wagon
because in the JW2 trailer you have statues of a velo and a Dilo facing off
and the raptor is about a bit bigger
inner locust
but the reason was so that general audiences wouldnt get the dilo confused with velo
sturdy lance
It did look kinda small
knotty wagon
@sturdy lance the more Utahs in the same area, the less effective they would be at direct attacks but their pounce get way more efficient
and the less they are, the more dangerous they are at just biting
from what I understand
sturdy lance
In the book, the dilos were alot bigger than the movie
And there were more of them
Yeah that doesn't sound very good or fun
static parcel
Didn't the book dilo have venomous bite instead?
sturdy lance
They are already one shots to many things
In the JP books, all the dinos gave a toxic effect to the humans they bit because of some bacteria shit
knotty wagon
and Compies had a bite with some venom that made you sleepy
or weaked you a lot and made you tired
knotty wagon
thanks Dondi, I was looking for the term
So? that Ninja Utah?
If a group of utahs have 2 members, each individual gets a better bonus to stats than individuals in a group of 4, but their pounce slows down the prey more or they deal more damage during pounce?
sturdy lance
If they are even more reliant on pounce because stats are lower, is pounce going to be hard to throw off? Always assumed it could be bucked
knotty wagon
Sooo? no Aquatic spino alternate model?
tawdry pivot
Dilo's new size compared to Utah and Carno https://clips.twitch.tv/AltruisticResoluteCurryBuddhaBar
swift cliff
I try not to take everything at face value
knotty wagon
Oh... I feel like Dondi really wants his dinos to be BETTER than those in JWE by principle and to be better by proxy
swift cliff
And come to conclusions because of things being thrown around in an EA game's development stream
knotty wagon
Not gonna refuse that tbh, better stuff for us
So? anyone tried the Cerato on Survival?
sturdy lance
Yup. Plays well, had upside and downside
As juvie it's stronger than any other juvie from what I saw. Grows at a decent speed. And it's beastly fella at adult. But you are real slow and stam doesn't regen quickly
knotty wagon
As juvie it's stronger than any other juvie from what I saw
wait? it bullies juvi rex, giga or carno?
tawdry pivot
^yes
sturdy lance
I did a bit of hunting at full adult and enjoyed it. But gigas are it's bane
knotty wagon
dayum... that's brutal
tawdry pivot
Cerato is the best juvie
sturdy lance
Yeah it murders juvie rex
knotty wagon
how's subadult?
tawdry pivot
there is no subadult stage for cerato
sturdy lance
I think how it currently works it could serve an interesting role for keeping apex pop from growing
tawdry pivot
@knotty wagon
knotty wagon
I guess he can definitely stand his ground against utahs, go okay against a carno
and probably run faster than rex?
sturdy lance
True they have more speed for hunting them down
knotty wagon
sorry I have to ask, but haven't been up to date :p
so this update obviously introduced the cerato, along with the allo?
frosty ridge
rip utahs 90% baby giga diet
inner locust
allo is still in the pipeline
tawdry pivot
it's my new fav herbi
tawdry pivot
pray your god(s) if you have one @pliant dew
sturdy lance
excite
knotty wagon
oh ok, thanks for filling me in 😁
tawdry pivot
@knotty wagon also, scent doesn't work when it rains
lean sentinel
Intentional
lean sentinel
Just clarifying
lean sentinel
Affirmative
stoic plover
What all have I missed in stream so far?
Dilo size changes and some talk of Utah pounce?
stoic plover
Oh shit nice
Good
Fuck Utah's
Though I kinda figured dilo would be ready sooner than Allo
Surprising
lean sentinel
Im guessing solo Utahs wont be a thing anymore
pliant dew
it is hes working on it rn
sturdy lance
Depends what you mean by thing
stoic plover
Gotcha gotcha
knotty wagon
Dilo isn't today?
stoic plover
Ty aliens 👌
frosty ridge
solo utahs will be a thing, and can work, but it will get rid of the heretics who think an unorganized pack is better than an organized one
lean sentinel
Not practical
knotty wagon
Venom/dot mechanic isn't ready?
sturdy lance
It's not practical right now for the most part
lean sentinel
Utah is undoubtedly strong rn
sturdy lance
Strong at a cost. Most of the medium dinos can easily win
lean sentinel
Well for its size it has good hp, bleed resistance, bleed infliction and speed
frosty ridge
its bite replaces its pounce atm
lean sentinel
What will "pounce" entail?
frosty ridge
and its bleed heal is good; not so much the bleed resist
sturdy lance
If it's gets hit once by a medium it's still fucked for the most part
frosty ridge
literally latching onto something and sliding your talons between their ribs to flood their lungs with their own blood
thats pmuch how pounce has always worked
lean sentinel
Interesting, will pounce be applicable to small dinos as a 1 hit KO?
tawdry pivot
@frosty ridge imagine the gore in game
sturdy lance
Supposed to be
tawdry pivot
with blood coming out of the mouth
frosty ridge
ohhhh if small dino pounce isnt hilariously violent im gonna bitch XD
its also supposed to slow down your prey with your weight dragging them down a bit
so its easier for other utahs to catch on
prey might get a shake mechanic too
lean sentinel
Awesome
frosty ridge
ooooo yess
knotty wagon
utah pounce Juggling when?
tawdry pivot
Utah's pounce sounds like A LOT of work
frosty ridge
its probably a monstrous undertaking with the coding for each dino it pounces on
lean sentinel
Im imagining a Primal Carnage sort of pounce mechanic.
tawdry pivot
@frosty ridge that's why I said "a lot" in caps.
frosty ridge
ye. theyre done with the animas as far as I can tell
sturdy lance
They might be waiting on collision as a whole to add pounce. Nothing to back that statement up though just a guess
lean sentinel
It would make sense
frosty ridge
mmm....not really. it worked fine before; they just had issues with how utah fell between the dino's legs after it let go, not dropped to the side
but that could be due to collision, so who knows...
lean sentinel
Well, the animals have hitboxes for damage registering and terrain collision. If i were to guess theyre working on a mesh for dino collision, that might be why terrain alignment isnt out yet. Hitboxes are tricky business.
knotty wagon
is dilo getting new anims?
frosty ridge
dilo's animations were the most advanced a while ago and now theyre on par. it has a new two call anim but thats about it
lean sentinel
Dont forget the sniff anim 👃
tawdry pivot
a new 2 call, and now its 1 call is the old 2 call
https://clips.twitch.tv/KawaiiDiligentSquirrelCopyThis if you wanna hear it
odd zenith
3 call sounds a bit different, the bite too
rich quest
Is this patch coming out soon?
rich quest
Because im tired of new dinos i think other things should take priority first.
paper veldt
what did i miss?
tawdry pivot
patches are not just new dinos
paper veldt
i just woke up
inner creek
People who work on dinos are not the people who work on mechanics and such.
lean sentinel
?
queen badger
tired of new things 16 hours after they’re added
sturdy lance
Lol
rich quest
Ok because last patch was broke af when it came out
sturdy lance
Shit happens
tawdry pivot
that's what there are hotfixes
queen badger
And it got a hotfix
lean sentinel
I get what hes coming from, everyone wants new playables, not stuff like a combat overhaul, or terrain allignment
sturdy lance
Not gonna get sympathy on that one
sturdy lance
New dinos make designing the mechanics effecting the ecosystem more efficient
lean sentinel
Lol
rich quest
Im not shit talking. Im just saying if we focused on other things besides rushing out new dinos it might be a whole lot better
lean sentinel
Most people want new models and animations and sounds
lean sentinel
I just want gameplay mechanics and fluidity
modern vigil
most of them still look really decent
the ecosystem has to be balanced first
or ur gonna get
lean sentinel
Why?
modern vigil
over populations and stuff
rich quest
Yes me to adam
sturdy lance
We don't know what they work on behind the curtains
paper veldt
utah pounce^
imo the devs probably show us the cool shit while they have new mechanics actually being focused on
lean sentinel
Anyways, june 12th our minds will probably melt or explode
rich quest
I just dont get it though dondi hates spawn killing and mega mixed packs etc. But what did we get? New dinos that just add to the cancer.
rich quest
Aex removal test?
knotty wagon
I dont know, even for the apex removal test, last night I saw a mixed pack of ceratos, trikes, utahs, and dibbles together shrugs
sturdy lance
Not sure. It's been alluded too alot
rich quest
No way they remove apex its a core feature
frosty ridge
trikes count as apexes
knotty wagon
It's a test
dapper void
its a test my god
sturdy lance
Dondi has talked about it
frosty ridge
thats exactly why they would remove apexes tbh
dapper void
temporarily removed
frosty ridge
he pointed out that
rich quest
I understand its a test sheesh im saying i dont see it being a thing
lean sentinel
Its a possibility but Dondi knows what will happen if he removes them
knotty wagon
A perm thing you mean? yeah me neither
frosty ridge
"they cant remove apexes theyve alkways been here"
"weve always had guns, sure we do more harm than good with them but dont take them away reeee"
sturdy lance
Life will go on?
knotty wagon
Like Rex is my favorite dino, but the way people play apexes fucking kills it
frosty ridge
^ i am legit annoyed every time i see a rex or giga
sturdy lance
It does kill it
frosty ridge
i want to be scared of them.
knotty wagon
Like you dont need to be in a fucking group of 10 rexes
sturdy lance
10 gigas ect
lean sentinel
Gigas are more cancerous imo
frosty ridge
all i think when i see an apex is: 10 minute kill, and i need ot break that mofos leg to kill it
for rex and giga
knotty wagon
Yeah gigas are more cancerous because they can catch everything
knotty wagon
They need to up the growth for the giga
lean sentinel
They are an apex after all
tidal otter
Rex stam is really good unless they’ve hanged that
frosty ridge
up the growth on both, and i guarantee you the megapacks will get hammered by all the lower tier faster preds
because theyre all going to be subs/juvies
tidal otter
So Rex can just run you down unless you’re really fast
frosty ridge
with one or two adults
knotty wagon
The cerato was doing a good job of that last night
rich quest
That was my packs goal last night
frosty ridge
tbh i want to see an instance where a pack of ceratos, carnos, and utahs all come across a mega mix pack. they hate each other, but absolutely destory the traitors in the mix pack and then go their separate ways
sturdy lance
There was a pack that had to be 30 strong on Dev 2 last night
frosty ridge
cleanse your own kind who join in that cancer
knotty wagon
Well I did get to adult cera yesterday by myself and then another bigger adult ate me xD
sturdy lance
I was able to stay alive but no doubt I'll get eaten by a giga today lol
knotty wagon
The no alt turning while running has me messed up though lol
tidal otter
Ceratos eat each other more than anything right now
lean sentinel
Imo cerato should have gotten a 10% bone break as a lucky last resort when being chased by an apex
tidal otter
Cerato is screwed if an apex sees it
lean sentinel
^
modern vigil
you kinda need apexes though
lean sentinel
But bone break is being removed from the game eventually
modern vigil
or there'll be over populations of the highest tier
nothing will hunt them
so idk
tidal otter
Cerato is SLIGHTLY faster than Rex but cerato small stam
We don’t need 90% of the server playing apex
modern vigil
point system
lean sentinel
Progression?
modern vigil
no
knotty wagon
The token system could have very high tokens to unlock apex
modern vigil
you can start out as any dinosaur you want, except apex
tidal otter
Problem is these people are willing to sit and get their mega apex pack no matter what because they have nothing else better to do
I don’t think there is really a solution to it
modern vigil
ik
lean sentinel
That doesnt solve the megapack problem
modern vigil
even if a stress system got implanted
knotty wagon
I like when the first players go trike and raise their carni friends to make a mega pack lol
lean sentinel
Because nesting is a thing
modern vigil
people would just stay a distance apart
sturdy lance
Nothing. Nothing. Stops people working together
knotty wagon
There is always going to me mega packing honestly, no matter what dino
tidal otter
Exactly
modern vigil
I'm guilty for being in mega packs, because at this point, being solo would just kill you LOLLL
It's kinda sad.
honestly
lean sentinel
Honestly its probably always better to play on a community server with rules
sturdy lance
Solo play is the most fun for apexes
modern vigil
ikr
static parcel
sounds terrible that your basically punished for being solo..
tidal otter
That’s the problem because most of them are corrupted or if you make one tiny mistake they all try to get you banned
knotty wagon
I can grow up alone, but I end up getting fucked over at some point
tidal otter
As carnivore? @static parcel
cloud kettle
all this looter love 🙏
static parcel
people that go in groups basically show theyre just doing the easier way without actually trying to learn skill by themselves
modern vigil
that's why they regularly kos
paper veldt
ew
sturdy lance
They don't care that you think that tho
paper veldt
that word
lean sentinel
Hear me out, what if the devs want megapacks
sturdy lance
Unfortunately
lean sentinel
And the game was never meant to be realistic
knotty wagon
Well people kill to kill no matter if they are hungry or not.
All the bodies I saw yesterday just laying around lol
modern vigil
I mean, I kill only if I'm hungry
paper veldt
i have 300 dondi dollars now
sturdy lance
Last night was a dino battlezone haha
tidal otter
If I see a juvi apex I usually kill it on sight because other carnivores find them and raise them
knotty wagon
I hate when the herbies defend the baby carnis like wtf
sturdy lance
Yeeees
paper veldt
i leave whenever i see something bigger than me pull up
queen badger
Back after working for a while, what have I missed?
nimble bear
queen badger
Well that’s concerning.
dusky fable
Any big reveal at this stream?
nimble bear
allo might come today
queen badger
Think someone said something about the Allo earlier
nimble bear
might
dusky fable
Uuuuh
queen badger
I’m down. Lol
queen badger
Allo is muh boi
dusky fable
And what about the pachy?
nimble bear
why would you ever not be on dev
tidal otter
They wiped the servers
nimble bear
understandable
tidal otter
Unless they’re back