Right. But we know that the dinosaurs don't act like apes, the animals are smart enough to know what Humans and weapons are...
#isle-lore-theories
high heath
high heath
They can still read.
high heath
Because the dinosaurs aren't dinosaurs.
patent barn
sure, maybe, but they'd still be useful as part of an integrated force. I get what you're saying but your acting as if they'd be sent as part of a task force of only dinos, I doubt that would be the case
icy onyx
like overall shock and awe is plausible when you have enemy thats a lot weaker than you
high heath
Right. And a Hyperendocrin is going to make the enemies shit themselves.
icy onyx
at that point why waste time developing a living weapon
drones exist
drones dont have ppl in them
high heath
Drones don't scare the living shit out of people.
high heath
Uh...we're...actually not sure about that one.
They have Kaiju levels of regeneration, for all we know, a drone strike is just gonna piss them off.
icy onyx
pissed off hyper can turn on your unit
tho
Which still results in tactical victory for enemy
patent barn
cheaper than an m1 abrams, 9 million to buy top of the line tank, with proper setup, you could churn out dinos, with an assembly production that cost a fraction of that cost. Also, the whole AE experiment might be solely to locate a malleable enough mind and copy it to all assets
high heath
Yeah, the enemy isn't going to win at all.
Problem with your point is, if the Hyperendocrin is turning on its allies, that means it has eaten every enemy around.
So there is no enemy around to "celebrate"
regal locust
Have you guys entertained the idea of critters being used for terrorism in civilian populated areas comparatively in a military setting?
icy onyx
even if lets say hypers are unstoppable, most countries involved in conflict can get their hands on nukes/already have nukes
so they can just threaten to nuke you
high heath
Not likely.
icy onyx
or your allies
high heath
Nuclear options would make everything worse.
icy onyx
theres reason wars between nuclear powers dont happen
you see enemy troops in your territory? Just say you will nuke the other state
they have to withdraw or get nuked
high heath
Yes. Because everyone knows what a nuke does. If you are using a Hyperendocrin, it will starve before anyone can use a nuclear option.
So you bringing up anyone using a nuclear option is so incredibly unlikely, you might as well have said "What if I use my alien glassing weapon"
icy onyx
Any nation with nukes thats close to collapsing has 2 options
give up
or use those nukes
high heath
And they will not use the second option
You know why
AE designed a very specific gun to stop the regeneration. So, they not only have a back up plan, the back up plan is much better than using a nuke.
icy onyx
be american president
war against russia is going well, moscow is about to fall
putin says he will nuke all your big cities if you dont withdraw your troops
what would you do?
high heath
"Let's nuke the animal."
"Or we could use the option that won't poison the land for centuries."
patent barn
what if... it would just make the hypo radioactive?
the armor plates could absorb radiation, similar to how metal absorbs rads and then the hypos regen might be powerful enough to overcome radiation damage
icy onyx
I never said nukes will be used on tactical scale
Their main use is as a deterent and a last resort weapon
patent barn
strategic then?
icy onyx
in case your country is about to fall, nuke your enemies cities
patent barn
That assumes they'd rather die just for spite
orchid delta
The only way I would see a dino useful in a war scenario is if it was used as a flex. Like pop a Hypo in the area after your armies are done fighting. They now know you have literal hell beast at your beck and call. They don't even need to see what it is capable of, just have the knowledge that it's there.
high heath
Deploy an animal that can bust through skyscrapers and can literally eat tanks...after a fight?
orchid delta
It's essentially the same concept as a nuclear bomb, you only need the knowledge of it's existence to deter something from fucking with you.
And watching a giant monstrosity eat the remains of a battle and prowl the area would 100% deter me from fighting again
high heath
Pretty sure deploying that thing on the front lines would make the enemy shit themselves
wanton ocean
This may be just another crazy theory but... what if....
Since there's talk about this "elder / carrying on from another life" thing that is planned for the game.
What if, that leads to something more?
Maybe even how you eventually obtain a strain?
Now, I'm not saying that the Elder/Next Life perk system would directly lead to becoming a strain but; What if, depending on the perks you choose, it would make you more likely to become a specific strain? And then, whatever it is that triggers the strain, It can only become available for your dino once you have hit the very end of the perk tunnel?
For example:
1-You're a rex
2-you live on to your first elder rex, commit shmeemeemee and gain a perk for your next life,
choose rex again, live to elder, shmeemeemee and so on. (and of course this would be a VERY long and difficult process, especially for apexes)
3-You end up choosing mostly perks that pertain to strength/health.
4-Your chances of becoming a Hyper would then be higher than becoming a Neuro, etc.
5-Whatever thing that needs to happen to make you a strain, now becomes available for this dinosaur. And maybe depending on those perks you have chosen, make you into that specific strain.
It would also depend on which dinosaurs are confirmed to have such strains. So far we know of Utah, Carno, Rex, Giga, and Spino being official candidates for that.
Then there is the question about having the maxed out perks being permanent. Now, I think that once you become a strain, if or when you end up dying, all the unlocked perks would be wiped out. Leaving you to start the process over if you want to become a strain again.
That way it would make Strains like Hyper, Neuro, Tisso etc EXTREMELY difficult to obtain. Making it the true dinosaur endgame. Maybe there's more after strains? Sooner or later we'll find out.
So that is my crazy theory. It may be completely wrong... but thinking about all this just gave me a bit of inspiration either way :D
onyx marten
sudden pendant
am new here but i got an idea for the isle strains what if A.E obtained them from alien origin like an alien virus but this virus causes unpredictable change in the DNA where it could cause chickens to become Dinos sorta like reverse evolution. this virus can and is being controlled by A.E to some extent thus by using it they created the strains but controlling it need specific conditions thus the isle project is formed.
am letting my mind run wild so plz ur opinions can improve
wraith nova
And again war use of dinos was discussed. Would drop that idea before we know AE even planned to sell dinos and/or strains for war. About dinos being able to follow orders, you forgot about affility system that punish you when you act against animal's nature, sure we have no clue how it will work with strains, especially neuro.
Lets stay within what we know. Isle isn't in far far future, someone went way ahead and suggested Terranova series, nope wrong turn. It's enough futuristic, which doesn't mean future, that PI and AE can make/clone dinos. But even JP happening in 90' was capable of that so not new concept. PI tweaked dinos to be weapon for war or whatever, personally I prefer hypos in that role, they die when food is gone just stay away. AE does their experiment for whatever their reasons are, might be to see how far they can go with certain things might be "fixing" nature. Why dinos? They are long time extinct, if returned they are property.
State of islands, all those derelict buildings and so, somebody found similarities between them and PI. Might be some old Phoenix site that is used for experimental enviroment, also meant for human faction that be added in future.
Somebody asked for documents -> check pinned messages, also #transmissions might be something you want to check
tranquil galleon
Affinity ain't happening anymore as far as we're concerned. Dondi say that it's redundant because developers did what they were supposed to instead of making their own game lol
Primal Carnage was set during roughly 2025 or something along those lines, which would mean The Isle would be during roughly 2028. No super sci-fi stuff
ember flame
Why would nuking a hyper be a last resort? That's fucking stupid, just use tanks or take the dam thing out with air bombing or a battleship canon!
wraith nova
Treating to use nuke is last resort option, it wasn't said as nuke hypo.
icy onyx
Yes
Your country is losing a way
lets say its because hypers were deployed
you threaten to nuke the cities of your oponent if they dont withdraw their troops
slow delta
I feel like the plant strains are far more useful for warfare than the animals tbh
slow delta
Although i doubt AE is developping bioweapons since that's close to the jp thing
icy onyx
tho real talk, strain plants would be relatively easy to hide in forests
matters on strain and area
and could work as a great psychology warfare/area of denial asset
and even the big trees could be used to wall off sections of frontlines
as well, tanks couldnt really break through
slow delta
No no in general, all you have to do is release airborne seeds, and once they are full grown they don't even have to physically kill things since their huge size will just sap the land of all nutrients causing desertification and land degradation
icy onyx
or that as well
slow delta
Although i feel like hyper plants could have an origin point of hyper crops to end world hunger. Sort of like a well intended thing spiralling out of control and becoming a bio weapon
icy onyx
I mean, strains were also used on ill ppl (or at least in echidna case iirc)
so it could have been a good intention experiment gone wrong
placid harness
Why would you ever make a weapon that is 100% autonomous
icy onyx
even autonomous drones capable of deciding if a person is combatant and thus a valid target have kill switch
in case shit goes wrong
queen veldt
I wonder if this means the devs are changing their minds about when the isle takes place. Sure the game takes place after this bag is made, probably by a couple years. That being said we're more likely than ever to be seeing World War 2 technology for the mercs to aquire and use on the island.
ornate flower
they've already said those are just prototypes
they're not a reflection of the in-game lore yet
tranquil beacon
@queen veldt It's been stated many times, those are just prototypes. The date has no significance.
sand seal
I wonder how many times it's been said that it's a prototype.
ornate flower
they even addressed that on stream :/
sand seal
Somethings get missed, it's okay.
queen veldt
Right, but that insinuates that they might be making a change. Just a cool thought.
I really like the technology in World War 2. If there's even the slightest chance I'll be getting my hands on any of the guns or war machines from that time, I'm in.
Sorry if I upset anyone...
ornate flower
nobody's upset?
queen veldt
I just felt a little dog piled on lol.
It's got no significance apparently... guess I'll leave it 😦
radiant mason
What's the lore on the cannibal? Do we know?
vocal violet
which one the former cannibal that we call them now blind boys or the tribals?
junior harbor
Blind boys are pretty much the monsters from A Quiet Place, right? Cause I got a question as well: Are they just people fused with dinosaur DNA? And if so which kind?
vocal violet
No one knows, the only thing we know about them is that there the fastest land creature on the isle
radiant mason
Wtf 
That's scary
I theorize that they are a project gone wrong testing humans DNA and mixing with dino dna
opaque crane
they dont seem to have any dinosaur-like qualities
radiant mason
Well they walk on four legs
But yeah idk
They have strange mouths
Fused human mouth with a carnivore mouth?
opaque crane
i thought they just had an animation for sneaking where they walked around on all fours cause they seem to stand normally in most concepts and such that ive seen have them on two feet
steady ravine
Wdym gone wrong ?
Seems fine to me !
icy onyx
They have a crawl animation, and their crouch animation is called “stalk” @opaque crane
probably changed though
opaque crane
ah
pulsar knot
Has anyone else thought about the 1000 Life contract and if it might possibly connect to the planned Elder system? Its effectively living the same life over and over again right? I have 0 idea if thats a cannon contract or anything anymore, but its a cool thought regardless. I remember there used to be tons of speculation on how the contract was meant to be fulfilled and maybe this is how
Though the thought of the game keeping track of or letting you go through that many elder cycles is kinda crazy
icy onyx
@pulsar knot
I believe the one thousand life contract is referencing the tribal replication system. You are basically obligated to give the replicator all the knowledge you've garnered in the life you just lived, by sacrificing yourself to the replicator. One this 'contract' is complete, well, I don't know. Maybe you get rewarded. Who knows. I have a semi in-depth theory I'll post in a second
Suicide, for lore reasons, and as a mechanic, is inserted into the game like this....
Don mentioned awhile ago that you’ll be able to build temples (to the replicator) and either sacrifice others, or yourself. I believe the replicator is trying to get its hands on more knowledge. The replicator will achieve this by replicating the tribals, sending them out into the world, and having them come back after a sufficient amount of time. Once the tribal has collected a wealth of knowledge, they will sacrifice themselves (NOT simply killing themselves anywhere) at the temple. I believe what follows after this is the replicator taking your consciousness, extracting the information, and then putting it right back in your head.
That is my guess as to how it ties into the lore. How it ties into game mechanics? Well I have an idea for that too!
Dondi said there is only so much you can learn in one lifetime. One cycle you could say. Once this cycle is complete, you can move onto the next step after you’ve sufficiently pleased the replicator (remember, it DOES choose favorites)
I believe if you become ‘favorited’ you will move on to the next step... but that next step? Probably something cool like cannibals (formerly named).
I have clips to prove this may all be the case
Well, I know of the clips. I wasn't smart enough to save them into my PC. (But I could find them)
Also, on the QnA stream, Dondi mentioned how the REPLICATION system and the ELDER system are similar, but not the same.
What I talked about above is the replication system and what it might be
TLDR;
Replication system = tribals
Elder system = dinosaurs
But that doesn't mean the replicator exclusively replicates humans. This can be backed up by the fact that in the death screen there are multiple references to the life contract and how "THE END IS NEVER" repeated.
Also I am very sure it has been said dinosaurs have human consciousness.
raven heath
Anyone notice that the main menu pc light blinks in morse code?
raven heath
eyy nice
raven heath
I don't see the "help me" on there tho
muted hatch
The dinosaurs are actually people in suits lol
slow delta
I haven't had time to decode the newer ones or edit the doc, can you remember it and notify me at a later date?
raven heath
Sure i'll try. Granted i may have got it wrong, so take it with a grain of salt
slow delta
Well when i find time ill try to verify it
raven heath
cheers
mellow crow
Imagine if a Utah pack teamed up with some cannibals
opaque crane
A cannibal would crush a ptera
mellow crow
C u r s e d
opaque crane
Like a rat riding a fly
mellow crow
Plus, isn't ptera like pretty small?
ornate flower
the males are about as big as a human child
irl, females are smaller
like, half the size
tight isle
Pteras would be about as big as the cannibals ||BEAN||
slow delta
Guys please let's be serious
sharp frigate
Stan comes up with a long in depth post and you guys do this
grizzled dune
Here are the clips that tie in with stan's theories,for anyone interested:
Replicator Worship:
https://clips.twitch.tv/SmokyTallBearPeteZaroll
https://clips.twitch.tv/FunSillyFalconPeanutButterJellyTime - Part of the machine
Sacrifices:
https://clips.twitch.tv/ColdbloodedHorribleTermiteStoneLightning
https://clips.twitch.tv/SparklyRockyVanillaWow - wouldn't you build ?
https://clips.twitch.tv/TallSarcasticBarracudaDancingBanana - reasons for sacrifices
https://clips.twitch.tv/SpikyPrettyWalletHotPokket - The better the profile,The better the body
icy onyx
Thank you much @grizzled dune
radiant mason
Dondi sounds like he works for the replicator already the way he is talking about it in that clip lol
patent gyro
Can someone pin the message with the clips for future discussion in case this gets brought up again?
slow delta
We should make a huge list of every relevant twitch clip including these ones
As an archive for future references
vague dome
i think i figured out why the replicator wants dinosaurs specifically and basically nothing from before or after, if it is truly trying to gather a large pile of information it would seek to gain data on the worlds most successful creatures on earth to see how they would work and perhaps even improve on their design working out irl "what if" scenarios with the likes of the isle spino and magy
slow delta
I mean dinosaurs are from the most successful creatures
No reason for it to prefer dinosaurs over anything else and especially not over humans imo
vague dome
again it seeks information, if it had the chance to see how the ancient world ticks why wouldn't it try to replicate them in order to gain data on them
cold pecan
Why would it
shut ore
Hmm. Makes sense, i mean dinosaurs just died out because of an, well yea, natural cause. Not because they wiped each other out. Im wondering what would be if there never was a meteor..
clear tangle
well most dinosaurs died out only one family survived and diversified
frail dune
Havent listened to much about the lore but here's my conspiracy, if the dinosaurs get to elder and gain perks for completing its lifecycle. Is the replicator trying to evolve a new intelligent species
ocean summit
i didn't believe that the replicator has any involment in the elder cycle, i like to think that if the tribals use the replicator to evolve to cannibals, what happens if you use a dino, will it evolve to a hypo?, and if so is that the new intelligent species that you are talking about
frail dune
it could be, the replicator puts the ability for hypo in the dinos but lets "survival of the fittest" take over, because even Indominus Rex was inexperienced from being inside a box
Why not just stick with the tribals? Because the dinos are just sitting there, its free experiments
Which makes the game have so much potential, its like Subnautica or the Forest. On the outside its a survival game and then bam wth
ember flame
Wat
frail dune
It's all I got, if I knew more about Apollo Engineering, I might have a better theory
icy onyx
He's not wrong ^
vague dome
he is the one bridging the gap between their dimension and ours
hardy dove
icy onyx
I honestly, love watching this channel. I know maybe a 100th of the lore and watching you guys work is always impressive.
hardy dove
So what you're saying is, some people in here are on the ball..
icy onyx
Only Don knows.
vague dome
all that i know is that hes laughing at everyone being completely off with their theories
hardy dove
Or he's actually impressed with some of these people and is trying to figure out ways to make the lore more difficult to decipher
nah, everyone is prob miles off but its fun to read some of these
vague dome
you could probably construe the lore in anyway due to how little we know about it
hardy dove
Idk, all i know is that its in an underwater lab
ocean summit
yeah, don is definitely reading the theories to make it harder to figure out
frail dune
Hot take, it's not an island
high heath
It is an island.
icy onyx
Its happening on a landmass in the middle of ocean, aka an island
slow delta
The isle
frail dune
We'll see, we will see
vernal kiln
good theories y'all, keep it up.
frail dune
Dondi liked the idea of dinosaurs spawning a cages that were parachuted onto the island; therefore, the dinosaurs were created by Apollo Engineering. It could have been onsite before but they are now obviously being made off the island.
raven heath
yes
frail dune
It's all coming together
primal mantle
“The Archipelago”
weary axle
If it does take place in one archipelago, then maybe the different maps are like different islands in the archipelago?
frail dune
No, he means the new map has one big island and 2 small ones
cold pecan
Well on that one isle map thingy there were red dots all over the world right
the server screen
though they could be dig sites or something
hardy dove
Maybe cites where some creature has been spotted. like a hypo ot tisso or something
cold pecan
That's a lot of sites for that
Unless it's some post apocalyptic scenario or something
They could go the whole mutation epidemic thing where everyone is being mutated into like tribals and stuff and apollo engineering is testing on dinosaurs to see if they can treat or cure it or something
twilit forge
I like this idea and maybe the dots are the higher concentrations of what ever is affecting people
cold pecan
That makes more sense than them being test sites, because the dot placements seem to be randomly placed
many are bunched up together whilst others are off by themselves
vernal kiln
Seemingly the controlling bodies or creatures of these strains reside on The Isle. Assuming it is an apocalyptic scenario, mercanies could be the best of the best being hired in a last ditch effort to kill what controls them in the hopes of halting the outbreak.
cold pecan
It could be that Apollo started the outbreak accidentally and were all killed, thats why all the concept art and the in game structures and menu are all run down and overgrown
And as you say mercs are sent in to try control the outbreak
fringe beacon
Im almost thinking hypos are being devoloped because their organs are producing a rare and profitable organic compound they look like monsters because they need to defend themselves and eat alot to protect and produce the product they excrete. I mean dinos are a great scaffolding for an organic factory
cold pecan
Why wouldn't they use herbivores for that
And if they're just organ farms you could just keep them in vats and make them completely reliant on IVs and stuff to survive, so if they were to escape they would just die off
fringe beacon
Hypos are reliant on te other dinos for food you have seen their hunger drain. Furthermore and i know this sounds craz but this is cheaper. The paddocks recquired for all this would be insane. Furthermore it would seem hypos cant be born or bred they mutate out of normal dinosaurs possibly not even AE knows how to make hypos so they let them roam until one appears. Also they would use each species of dino for a different compound most likely they even play off each other
cold pecan
@fringe beacon It's highly implied from the snippits of lore we have from hidden messages in game and such that the hypos are being developed by Apollo. They're spoken as assets, and there are notes talking about how Hyper Carno "development" has been approved. I also doubt they are allowed to roam free on the island either, as they experimented with Type-H Quetzals until one of these designated "ALFIE" breached "Atrium C", a place mentioned to be where Hypo studies are secluded to.
Because of this, if they were meant to be organ farms, it seems to me highly unlikely that they would experiment in this fashion with the hypos. While it's true that they may not have full control over the hypo's mutations, I think it's very reasonable to suggest that they would have some control over them and tailor the mutations to make them less aggressive, weaker physically, and generally not built like a tank. It would make far more sense in this scenario to make them completely dependent on the scientists and keep them like cattle, or even in vats permanently unconscious to grow and harvest as they please.
To conclude Apollo are genetically engineering them and keeping them isolated not free roaming, and it doesn't make sense to me that if they are used as organ farms that they would be genetically engineered to be killing machines. In pinned there's a document with all the information I used here, sorry for the lengthy read.
also
is this out of date
ocean summit
while it is plausible that they were breeding them for warfare, it is also plausible that they were also using them for organ harvesting, because it is mentioned that some didn't survive and therefor the dead bodies could be used in experimentation and making a more suitable killing machine
cold pecan
I think the ones that died were just failed experiments. When dealing with mutations there is always the risk of death. Cancers and tumours are caused by cell mutations for example. I also don't really see how making it a killing machine would really help for organ harvesting in any way shape and form, so I'm not sure if I understand your point
fringe beacon
And i dont mean organ farms per se its the materials those organs might make like blood plasma t cells antigens all sorts of things but probably MOST of all they are harvesting specialized hormones from them as i think ive heard them said to be “hypoendocrine” if thas the case you need a specific hormonal balance such as excercise feeding happiness agression all sorts of things to keep these hormones pumping. How these materials are harvested is a mystery though i wouldnt put it past AE to collect urine and feces maybe even blood the same way they observe them. Tldr thy have to be “free range” to create appropriate materials. Not to mention its easy to say “just tweak them” but genetics is complicated the research is ongoing possibly to reliably create hypos.
merry orchid
Y’all know about the scientists at Apollo engineering
What if they are essentially “ piloting” the dinosaurs
Just a thought
Like, we’re playing as the scientists or whatever, living through the dinosaurs
And the strains are the abhorrents
glad yew
@cold pecan love this write up. it really bends in favor especially seeing all the ruins and such
fringe beacon
I dont think thy are being piloted but i do think hypos are just semi random gene expression. As in they werent really designed they just kind of happen under certain free range conditions
glad yew
also,those dots could be ancient ruin sites? maybe ??
fringe beacon
Those dots look nearly identical to the digsites in jurrasic world evoloution
Like the two dots in north america is hells creek or something and the many dots in the mongolian range could be utah and velo
glad yew
good eye,just realized that. ahh the theories!!!!
@fringe beacon
icy onyx
oops
digital vale
Yeah, it was comfirmed some time ago those were a locations of digsites
cold pecan
@fringe beacon The endocrine system is what is responsible for making hormones around the body. Hypoendocrine is a mutation that overly produces hormones so that there is an increase in growth, metabolism, aggression etc. So a loss of hormones isn’t really a big issue. Pair that with the fact that you can inject hormones artificially or give drugs that stimulate or block hormone growth that is far less of an issue.
Furthermore, you say that blood, plasma and antigens would be mainly harvested. If you were harvesting from humans, than this would be a completely solid theory. But as it stands there are no practical uses for taking an animals blood, and I’m pretty sure antigens have no practical use even with humans.
I’ve already been on this in detail but if you read my original post there is no “free range”. If it were free range there would not be containment breaches, specimens going MIA, and relocations of Type-H assets. And yes, I understand that tweaking genetics is complicated as I said before. But I refuse to believe they have no control over the Hypos and did not lead them in the direction that they have gone down. After all they have been shown to replicate it simply by developing it in other creatures.
ocean summit
well if your following what you say, a practical use of the organs from the dino's would be to make the human/dino hybrids, as shown by the production of the colossus and the other two who i can't remember
steady ravine
Hyper and Tisso should be relatively easy to contain strains , Neuro on the other hand...
wind jewel
I'm a bit out of the loop when it comes to the lore of The Isle
pure gull
So is everyone else who isn’t dondi
cold pecan
The colossus is just a concept, as it has been since the early days. I don’t think it’s canon
@wind jewel in pinned you should find a lot of information
crystal pulsar
Hail
wind jewel
thank you Ratman
paper furnace
My biggest question about Apollo Engineering is their motivation. They're definitely playing as the "Shadowy, morally questionable corporation" trope, but what's their end goal? Implementing dinosaurs into military combat? Drones, robots, and many other technological marvels can do jobs more efficiently and with less chaos than a genetically engineered animal. As Sir Ratman said, organ farming is also unlikely. No company would want to just mess around with genetics without getting some profit from it either, and I'd imagine it takes a lot of money to engineer dinosaurs.
vague dome
or they reached the point where profit is meaningless and have some goals equivalent to that of gods
paper furnace
That's a very solid possibility
cold pecan
That is the question at the moment. Everybody's theorising on what their goals could be, it's very interesting
wind jewel
I wanna know the history between Phoenix Incorporation and Apollo Engineering. have they been rivals in the biotech industry since the beginning? did AE branch off of Phoenix?
cold pecan
perhaps its like a jurassic park to jurassic world scenario where apollo took up the reigns after pheonox
wind jewel
it could be. did Phoenix shut down?
paper furnace
Given that these are two gigantic companies, I like to believe they have various "front" companies to finance their operations. Nothing major, but just a little idea I've played with
wind jewel
I'm not sure what happened to Phoenix after the primal carnage dinosaurs broke out. I don't even know how they broke out
paper furnace
If Phoenix did shut down, AE might have absorbed the company and obtained all of it's assets
A wild stretch, but perhaps some of the 14 dinosaurs coming with the Recode were unfinished Phoenix assets?
wind jewel
I assumed all of the primal carnage dinosaurs were wiped from the face of the earth up until the whole crossover teaser thing
wind jewel
Oh yeah! I forgot about Operation Inferno
queen veldt
I know the date was a mock-up , but what if the devs were willing yo change the year the game is set in
That would add a lot of cool possibilities!
slow delta
It would destroy the established lore tho
frosty bear
Or it could be something like Metal Gear
queen veldt
But we don't know how old the island is
high heath
If they changed the year, they'd have to change many, many, many things in the game
queen veldt
what if they have older technology on the island because of how old it is?
slow delta
We know how old ae and phoenix international are
high heath
Number one being the weapons, armor, bases, vehicles, etc etc would never exist if it was the 50's
slow delta
Even when the lore takes place in the 50s those companies have futuristic technologies
I mean the reapers appeared way before operation inferno
If thats canon still
high heath
Pretty sure the humvees are made in the 90's
queen veldt
I wonder if the mercs will be sent by apollo or by other compan
high heath
So that scratches the 50's off.
queen veldt
companies*
Like what if we come to the island poorly prepared like the merca from JP3
mercs* lol my typing skills suck 😆
I just wonder what the technology will look like
queen veldt
a kind of retro futuristic, or is it more advanced modern
Yeah, but I don't know about pc lore ☹️
slow delta
@hollow river just mentioned something in offtopic thats worth mentioning. In pce there was a map with a weird gravity and portal dimension
Was that a gimmick or is that lore related too?
hollow river
it seemed like it was high tech though
slow delta
Yeah well consiousness transfer and cloning is one thing but literal portals
It really could flip the whole lore upside down if that map is canon
high heath
@queen veldt Advanced modern. 2010's is when PC takes place.
And The Isle takes place after
hollow river
i was gonna say even if its not it still shows they had that kind of tech but idk
frosty bear
Say the portal stuff from PC isn't a gimmick, could the Isle be an alternate reality with the consciousness transfer?
I won't go as far as to say a simulation
hollow river
but the portal is in a place with controlled environments
so they have the tech to have 4 differnt enviroments in 1 place
but idk
queen veldt
The Island and everything was built after PC?
Darn... I guess there really is no chance for a date change 😦
I just hope mercs don't go walking around with the best of the best in modern weaponry. I don't know much about guns, but I know how much they suck to play against.
sand seal
Most guns won't phase or stop an elephant. Your precious Dino will probably be fine.
hollow river
they are probaby dropped there and dont have anything
stark ibex
chances are it'll be difficult to find any decent gear, the point is survival, not annihilation
hollow river
and you have to find things
fallow heron
its tranqs that will be the real threat, an injured animal can run away or defend itself but if its knocked out its defenceless
queen veldt
Lol probably isn't very reassuring! You can die to a single bite from bleed in this game, I can only imagine the effects of a bullet and shrapnel
😧
Either way, I'm more excited than worried about mercs, that's for sure.
vague dome
the more people post about the timeline the more i have to repost this https://twitter.com/AEOlympusTransm/status/1014149800969822208
queen veldt
Hopefully the guns that we see in game aren't boring repeats of what we see in most games nowadays
vestal badge
B A Z Z O K A
hollow river
i feel like human consciousness is transferred into the dino bodys kinda like those games in shows where you sit in a room and if your dino dies you do but idk i might be way off
steady ravine
It was a popular theory considering what we know about the replicator
wind jewel
now I wanna know if the human minds were transferred willingly.
hollow river
you just wake up in a room one day and they force you to transfer
steady ravine
The real question is why would anyone do this
steady ravine
I mean if you can create dinosaur you can definitely clone humans so why transferring human consciousness into dinos ?
hollow river
to control them easy
hollow river
or they wont be as wild as a normal dino
vestal badge
If that's the case I imagine there will be an eternal struggle bettwen the savage nature of a mighty creature such as a dinosaur and an intelligent, emotional human
steady ravine
What I mean is there is no reason to do so
hollow river
for a better tomorrow
steady ravine
Where everybody is a dinosaur ?
hollow river
you wouldn't wanna be a cool dino
steady ravine
Considering that they got strains I could become way more powerfull if I got mutated rather than becoming a dinosaur
hollow river
it could be how they get money from some people paying to be a dino
but only like rich people idk
steady ravine
Well supposedly AE is supposed to be a medical company so I considering the technology they have and the discovery they made I don't see money being a issue
icy onyx
theres more shady shit than just easier to control dinos
wind jewel
perhaps they get their human consciousnesses from prisoners and people on deah row, instead of volunteers
icy onyx
also replicator seems to be able to give you virtual immortality
allowing you to live multiple lives
Imagine this in military application
A soldier with hundreds of battles of experience
and every time he dies
he can just get reborn
but keeps the experience
no training beats pure combat experince
wind jewel
that doesn't make it less scary when a rex charges at your allo and murders it
frail dune
Dont neglect the tribals, they most likely have to tie into this
wind jewel
how do the tribals fit into this puzzle?
vague dome
"every shady corporation must have military goals everything is about war"
wind jewel
I mean, you're not wrong
tranquil galleon
ngl it's kinda annoying watching people repeat the same theory over and over again
slow delta
Yeah but not much you can do about it and since its not like we have new info it doesnt do any harm to keep the channel active even with repeating known stuff
sinful void
Is the Replicator manmade or is it extraterrestrial?
steady ravine
No alien stuff afaik
frail dune
Well, if it is alien then the tribals would have been worshipping it for generations and became altered by it. Then AE discovered it and built their bases and labs, somehow reconstituted dinosaurs. Then AE lost control either due to the dinos or the tribals and are now sending in mercenaries to reclaim the island.
cold pecan
The tribals arent like mayan dudes
the tribals and the cannibals are the same thing
Dondi said this a while back
vague dome
every day the actual lore is buried under "muh military" and "the rosswell incident"
cold pecan
What do we actually know about the replicator
I was under the impression we were just guessing what it is from its name and all the mentions of replicating dinos
slow delta
nothing
vague dome
science is indistinguishable from magic
the replicator is something beyond our understanding
steady ravine
It's a machine that could give virtual immortality in exchange of the knowledge that one possesses and that it is worshipped like a god by tribals
cold pecan
Where is the source of this so i can see it for myself
vague dome
it probably has it's own consciousness in the context of ai
steady ravine
Let me scroll up for 30 mins and I'll give you that
ExtraHu3lundi dernier à 19:57
Here are the clips that tie in with stan's theories,for anyone interested:
Replicator Worship:
https://clips.twitch.tv/SmokyTallBearPeteZaroll
https://clips.twitch.tv/FunSillyFalconPeanutButterJellyTime - Part of the machine
Sacrifices:
https://clips.twitch.tv/ColdbloodedHorribleTermiteStoneLightning
https://clips.twitch.tv/SparklyRockyVanillaWow - wouldn't you build ?
https://clips.twitch.tv/TallSarcasticBarracudaDancingBanana - reasons for sacrifices
https://clips.twitch.tv/SpikyPrettyWalletHotPokket - The better the profile,The better the body
Actually it was pretty fast
That's basically everything we know
cold pecan
Oh wow
See you in about 4 hours whilst i look through this
Good stuff
Very good stuff
Thank you my friend]
steady ravine
You're welcome
grizzled dune
There are also these:
"User Inquiry: Definition of Trespassers
Trespasser designated to all unauthorized replicator mainframe by persons or profiles within the facility.
User Inquiry: Who else is here?
106,638 profiles and Apollo Engineering staff.
User Inquiry: System Time
8:33 AM
User Inquiry: Who is watching us?
All profiles submit information to the replicator.
The replicator compiles this information and redistributes it upon Gateway.
Inquiry: You Are Not Alone
You are being monitored by the replicator.
Replicator: System profile designated to monitor gateway.
Tartarus: NEIP Redistribution"
https://twitter.com/AEOlympusTransm/status/1017233558312660993
steady ravine
The real question now is what is the replicator exactly
frail dune
There are still plenty more questions
cold pecan
Well there was those old concepts of like the cannibal mother or whatever
frail dune
Matriarch
cold pecan
Yeah
steady ravine
Yeah Echidna
cold pecan
My best guess is that concept evolved into this
steady ravine
The matriarch as nothing to do with it
cold pecan
Is the matriarch a confirmed thing in the lore?
steady ravine
Kinda...
keen linden
look at how similar the first neuro is to the eyless ones........think
cold pecan
Yeah but I thought it was being thrown around as a concept
Like the hypo colossus thing
steady ravine
It is supposed to be small theropod like creature that started consumming everything she could and growing in size as she did
keen linden
lore wise the first experiments with strains were tested on humans
grizzled dune
yee,it's the original concept don shared on stream recently
cold pecan
Oh right
grizzled dune
we,afaik,whatever it is it has not been named yet.
here :
"User Inquiry: The Matriarch
Coinciding with objective parameters to complete an EIP.
I have developed a completely adaptable organism within Tartarus.
Once another profile is complete, the Matriarch will redistribute within the observable areas of Tartarus for study.
It is not correct to call it a dinosaur, but I have not given it a name. "
keen linden
Echidna=Neuro Colossus=Hypo Reaper=Tisso
steady ravine
^
cold pecan
Right
keen linden
Echidna was the one that escaped and fucked everything up if i remember correctly
steady ravine
Echidna seem to have a greater purpose the the 2 others
cold pecan
Has anything from the old lore been scrapped or rewritten?
or is it all still canon and stuff cause I can't really tell if what im reading is outdated or not
steady ravine
Aside from concept art being outdated I don't hink anything as been scrapped
keen linden
if the devs have retconned any of it they havnt told us
keen linden
any way eyeless ones are neuro tribals spread the word
steady ravine
Well maybe not neuro as we know them...
icy onyx
"every shady corporation must have military goals everything is about war"
@vague dome Corporate Extraterritoriality is a thing.
vague dome
i still remember when dondi said the isle has nothing to do with military way back before steam release
keen linden
alot has changed since then
cold pecan
The fact that there are literal soldiers going to be sent in kind of contradicts that
grizzled dune
I mean,he also said this : https://clips.twitch.tv/BigMoldyDinosaurKAPOW
keen linden
honestly i feel merc are actually convicts not mercs
grizzled dune
Dinos may b shit in a war,good thing we have genetically tampered freaks of nature
steady ravine
I mean AE doesn't seem to be directly link to any millitary activity
cold pecan
perhaps but from the concepts why would convicts be so well equipped that they could have the alias of merc
vague root
Did phoenix ent make dinos just for people?
keen linden
there dropping in there with nothing from what we know
steady ravine
Phoenix created dinos for war
keen linden
everything they have is scavenged
vague root
"For a better tomorrow"? 
cold pecan
right okay
keen linden
medical studies is likely a massive part of it
sinful void
Judging from the Merc models we have seen I doubt they are going to be criminals
Likely some kind of PMC similiar to Blackwater hired by AE to do whatever if not directly part of AE.
vague dome
https://twitter.com/AEOlympusTransm/status/1054981836064129025 does this sound like company concerned for war
vague root
If we still have an idea of mercs blowing an island up 
keen linden
yes but......
vague root
Doesnt seem like criminals
keen linden
what if the planets fucked and we need to force our own evolution. all of a sudden the strain experiments make alot more sense
sinful void
Plus I doubt AE would trust sensitive information in the hands of criminals.
sinful void
Because there is no doubly sensitive information on the isle that AE would probably like nobody else to get their hands on since it obviously housed was no doubly a very large operation
steady ravine
Mercs briefing be like
And also be carefull about the 12ft blind guys running around
Mercs : The...What ?!
vague root
Why would even the criminals travel to this island
There is nothing to take here
Imagine a merc player
keen linden
the last QnA stream dondi showed a clip of a guy waking up mid air at the start of the predators movie as an example of how he wanted ''mercs'' to enter the world
which implies heavily that escape isnt an option
steady ravine
Dna sample ?
Capturing specimen ?
Don't let them spread or the world as we know is doomed ?
keen linden
dondis exact words '' welcome to the rice fields mother fucker''
sharp zenith
Parachute drops for human spawns sounds like a good idea tbh
Specially considering the large map
keen linden
this guy just hit the ground lol
sharp zenith
idt they are just gonna hit the ground bro xD
Could be wrong though
keen linden
prob not but have you seen the clip?
sharp zenith
Idk how a human smashing into the ground and not dying would be covered by the lore lol
steady ravine
I mean the game is about natural selection after all....
keen linden
to be fair he did hit a few branches before the ground
but ye that why i think its convicts not mercs
sinful void
Then why call them Mercs
cold pecan
why call cannibals tribals
grizzled dune
Recover | steal information i guess
keen linden
they called the eyeless ones cannibals when the tribals are the cannibals and the eyeless ones are something else
grizzled dune
There's very very VERY old stuff that suggests mercs are here for the information on the stuff going in the island
keen linden
so misinformation
cold pecan
Dondi said that they were the same thing tho
keen linden
in the same way that a neuro spino is a spino
also neuro spino has no eyes
ECHIDNA INTESIFIES
sinful void
Khrone is the blood god from Wh40k
keen linden
warhammer chaos god lol
grizzled dune
Old discord user who cracked a certain code and brought us a Lore Stream
he used to play for honor with don
vague root
Well
It does make sense that echidna is a replicator
Neuro mut --> devices control
It can even produce dinosaurs with controlling labs
Or i am missing something
keen linden
neuros are telepathic and as a result share a hive mind so its possible that devices actually refers to organisms
it the sense they are biological machines
other then that id say we have to wait and see what the devs have planned
by the end of the year we will know alot more given how much the devs are sharing lately
grizzled dune
Matriarch was described as lil sauropod (edit: Theropod) thing that grows big.
Echidna is the eyeless neuro cannibal thing.
they're very different
The one thing they have in common is that they have "children".
Here: "AE-IRT-010
Incident report transcript 32 part 2.
"...leading up to the compound itself.Upon reaching the structure,speciemen (blank space) began pacing.We expected the same type of rage one would expect from any aggressive animal,but it was subdued,focused,and calculated.She was the matriarch,and no one was taking her offspring.Not here.Not now.Not ever""
https://twitter.com/AEOlympusTransm/status/1013981645202968576
Both mention offspring or children
cold pecan
Ah okay I thought you guys were talking as if they were the same thing, my mistake
grizzled dune
yee,close names/titles.
river marsh
I assume in that indicent that focused pacing was to allow Echidna to "view" the compound from more angles/focus its senses to try and detect any weak points in the immediate area. The maternal nature of Echidna to the "first generation" could imply anything from tribals to the dinosaurs. However the telling of stories implies tribals and that thry tried to preserve a sense of culture, which was viewed as negative as shown in the text. Thus... It may have been forcibly degraded.
Jumping from this: what if it's less about evolution but de-evolution? Or shifting factors to see how sentient creatures adapt and change to their environment? Why would culture be seen as a bad thing? Or rather....knowledge of ones history?
cold pecan
That was the matriarch, not the Echidna that was pacing the compound
And I think it's just first generation profiles, not any creature in particular
If they just go along with tradition I guess they would get no new data with them finding different ways to survive
grizzled dune
Maybe it's possible that creatures are degenerated into more primal instincts
Degenerated to the point where conscience,remorse or morality cannot be seem
I guess it fits to the hivemind idea.
If the "drones" have any feelings and /or integrity they may not be willing to do "dirtier" jobs .
So you break the creatures to the point where they will do the Mother's bidding without a second doubt.
I think that's what's behind a previous culture/history being bad.
wind jewel
How widespread is AE? Do they have outposts and assets all over the globe, or is the vast majority of their efforts focused on the archipelago that the game takes place in?
high heath
We have no clue.
wind jewel
oh dang
cold pecan
It’s highly implied that every time you are brought back to life by the replicator you become more and more animalistic and less intelligent. However, this is said to take place after the 15th life cycle in lore, sot hat happening gen 1 makes less sense.
It’s probably more likely that the echidna used its psychic powers to influence the vulnerable impressionable gen 1 profiles who don’t know anything to make it or the replicator out to be a god, creating a religious tradition to be passed between generations
dusty fiber
I aint much of a lore junky but i thought of a kinda neat thing. Idk enough of the lore to know if any of this is right but maybe Evrima is an acronym for somethin lore related maybe? So like
E echidna
V verifying
R replication
of
I intelligent
M massive
A assets
barren kelp
wraith nova
I just wonder, do you guys consider that "matriarch" doesn't have to be mother, it also mean female leader in matriarchy social system. Quoted text about matriarch pacing could be Echidna, especisly that there's blank space, redacted text, before specimen. It also implies that this specimen is leader. Being focused and calculating also implies Echidna. It was probably underestimated at time it was created, and suprised scientists with inteligence.
That life cycles always seemed to me more like devolution, pointing out that cannibals, placeholder name tribals, are keeping very basic social structures but turns more and more primitive and animalistic.
grand elbow
Ok, so with evrima being "discover" (i assume) and the new isle being spero "hope" the neat little message of "discover hope". This combined with the talk of tribals and just the all around improvement of the ecosystem in the game; it makes me guess that when mercs are introduced that lore wise its from the perspective of returning to an island that has adapted and changed from the previous time. (not super in depth but this is what i got from all this stuff)
crisp nova
What is olympus transmitter ssupposed to be
sinful void
The tower on the mountain near Twin Lakes I suppose
meager fulcrum
Ok hear me out, but why are the mercenaries being sent to the island? To find assets like Echidna or to kill dinosaurs.
Because I feel like If they are there to kill, would the creatures that aren't " supposed." To be free and that have intelligence going to kill them or let them be
Would the Matriarch feel threatened
And are they from AE or Pheonix Corp. ?
sinful void
AE, PC is gone
vague dome
not willingly
their being forcefully brought to tartarus
they are profiles like everything else
vague dome
dondi said they are dropped in unconcious with barley any gear besides a pistol
meager fulcrum
So they are there for killing
meager fulcrum
... So they are being monitored like everything else as well
Where do the come from?
vague dome
they are one in the same with the dinosau
and tribals
even the strains
all are one with the replicator
meager fulcrum
I'm totally unknowing when it comes to the lore so like
The replicator was made a god by like Echidna and Matriarch yeh?
vague dome
no
vague dome
what is happening in tartarus is science so far above our understanding that it's basically magic
meager fulcrum
So the mercs like degenerate every time they die
Marc to tribal then dino?
Then what?
vague dome
all bodies are made equal
meager fulcrum
... But there is a " rebirth " ?
vague dome
profiles are not
meager fulcrum
Profiles. Explain
vague dome
every soul in tartarus is assigned to a profile
a profile can take many forms
a dino
a tribal
a merc
or something else
while the body dies the profile lives on
to be replicated into infinity
meager fulcrum
Ah. Do they keep memories of their last shell
And do they... Loose themselves
Become a primal husk ?
vague dome
their knowledge is kept in a archive where it is safe
than assigned a body suited to them
their is no degrading
just expirementation
meager fulcrum
So, does a dino have the same thought process on an intelligence level as a merc?
vague dome
meager fulcrum
Hm.
So a complex and impulsive thing.
And stubborn
Interesting
How do interactions go between a merc and a dino go if not death?
Is it unpredictable or is it usually the need is attacked
vague dome
depends if the profiles wish to risk themselves over nothing
why attack if one doesn't
why waste a bullet on something that is too far way to care
why chase down prey too small to fill your gut
meager fulcrum
So if a dinosaur is harmed ( broken leg ) and it would be beneficial for a merc to help it for the later defense and beneficial for the dino to let the merc help for survival, the merc would assist it? ( if both sides were to benefit )
meager fulcrum
So how does being nested in work if everything is always Replicator.
How is the unborn dinosaur given a Profile
crimson mesa
Discovery... Maybe it means something about the Discovery of DNA replication?
crimson mesa
DNA in dinosaurs and creatures?
meager fulcrum
What are the dna farms then
Profiles are assigned bodies
Which need ro be grown I guess
crimson mesa
EVRIMA seems a bit too lore related to not be part of it, but there is also a chance that it's just what they are calling it.
So I'm not gonna do too much digging
meager fulcrum
Now hear me out
//...INCOMING TRANSMISSION
P̷ha̴s̶e̴ 2 ̵e̷r̸r̴o̵r̶.̵ Deploying v̷er̶s̸i̸o̴n̶ ̷0̸.̸1̷.̴5̶1̷.̵1̸ Y̶͐̚o̵̎̈u̶͋͆r̶͌̃ ̴͗̈reality may b̵͚̌e̶̓̏cò̶̕m̷̃͑e̴̾̏ t̸̀̋e̷̗̔mṕ̷̂o̶͑͊ř̶̕a̶̋͌r̵̽̽il̶̼̈ỳ̷͆ u̴͓͗n̶͇̖sẗ̶̘̠aḇ̴̢̡le̸̼͚
https://twitter.com/AEOlympusTransm/status/1055249927092072448
<::Connection closed::>
Could this be a Profile that needs to be assigned a creature that the replicator can't create?
crimson mesa
I already said that
orchid heron
discover hope
crimson mesa
Yes.
orchid heron
i think that the mercs were under distress then they found the new island and named it hope. probably because they think it will save them but thats as far as ive got
im still trying to connect things
crimson mesa
Yea, maybe
radiant mason
This leads me to think the replicator creates these eyeless creatures
meager fulcrum
Do you think it was on purpose?
vague dome
yes
meager fulcrum
And mercs are just another product of the replicator
radiant mason
yeah
vague dome
a better tomorrow
meager fulcrum
So crptic
Like
D E t a i ls
Wtf is making an eyeless human form going to prove
How does it help
vague dome
that is to be revealed
meager fulcrum
Ah.
But one of my questions earlier was overlooked
What are the dna farms
Because the replicator replicates, no creates
There has to be components to make a whole
Or is it just a speck of material
Occasionally drawn from
//...INCOMING TRANSMISSION
After the fifteenth cycle their stories compiled into an archive they handed down through the generations. As their mental plateau deteriorated advanced cognitive functions, only the most basic and violent ideologies remained.
https://twitter.com/AEOlympusTransm/status/1013982570541969408
<::Connection closed::>
I was saying they degenerated earlier because I read this.
Rereading it I suppose degenerate is the wrong word
They got worn out
vague dome
oh fuck
opaque crane
yay
opaque crane
im excited to see these terrible things unfold
icy onyx
vague dome
the lore cult awaits
crimson mesa
DNA farms could be certain fossils or preserved amounts of DNA they use to recreate the animals
meager fulcrum
I was thinking they start qith that, and just make a pulsating flesh blob that slowly expands.
wind jewel
I'm concerned, what kind of list does Paradym mean?
orchid heron
pure zodiac
minor ore
i, for one, welcome a swift death.
orchid heron
guys EVRIMA doesnt mean discovery its capped for a reason so its an acronym but idk wtf it is so ill be trying to find that out
para just kinda said that only him dondi and kissen know what it means, and he said it may or may not be an acronym, so that means that its not discovery because everyone knows that but not everyone would know what it would mean if it was an acronym
steady ravine
You know the fact that it is an acronym doesn't mean the word in itself lost its meaning
restive cloud
Expecting Valentines Release Is Most Appealing = EVRIMA?
orchid heron
i doubt its an acronym for an eta
steady ravine
It's obviously not
echo gazelle
That's interesting if that's the case. But it would be quite difficult to accomplish, sorta reminds me of when they said the beginning letter of the Strains HNMT(Hypo,Tisso,Neuro,Magna) might have some kinda significance but not even sure if that was ever discovered.
HNMT is a gene code I believe as well
orchid heron
yeah discovery is too easy to be what it means
i wonder
if its a phrase it will be easier
steady ravine
It could also have another meaning but it would be too much of a coincidences not to be at least one of its meaning
orchid heron
but if it is something like HNMT then were fucked
orchid heron
they keep saying etas are dangerous which is true so it prob not eta
steady ravine
HNMT ?
orchid heron
im geussing that it has to do with lore / game
steady ravine
Magna isn't even a strain...
steady ravine
A mutation but not a strain as the 3 other are
orchid heron
but they are like hypos but weaker and without the draw backs of hypos such as hunger
im going to be up all night trying to guess this
steady ravine
Gl
slow delta
Evrima means finding in greek
ocean summit
finding discovery?
slow delta
Also thanks for the transmission paradym
ocean summit
quick everyone get every variation of the language and put this word through
slow delta
No need this is the most accurate translation of the word, I know since its my language lol
Apparently its the new name for the recode
orchid heron
para just kinda said that only him dondi and kissen know what it means, and he said it may or may not be an acronym, so that means that its not discovery because everyone knows that but not everyone would know what it would mean if it was an acronym
So it's not and I just asked para if I were to get the acronym right would he tell me and he said no so it gon be a while before we know what it means
But we can always geuss
meager fulcrum
So i have a question
Dp we know who sends the transmiasions? Ofc it's from the radio tower at twins or somewhere like that, but do we have an idea who / what sheds them?
inner viper
I always assumed they were just AE transmissionsm, granted I'm not that deep into the lore.
meager fulcrum
Ofc from AE
Bit arexthey automated or is there an entity watching us thru the camera when we ealk by it at the radio tower
Sending messages
And if it is "automated" wherexdoes the information come from
ornate flower
there's cameras in areas all over the island atm. pretty much every "complete" building has one somewhere, and every now and then you'll see them tracking the nearest dinosaur and they make a camera-shutter sound periodically
cold pecan
There’s a gif of a camera being surrounded by like skulls and a shrine on Twitter saying the replicator is not without its protectors
So the cameras are definitely the replicators eyes
icy onyx
The replicator seems to know everything
cold pecan
Yes
The replicator is definitely in control over all of AE currently
I assume it’s an AI created by Apollo, or Phoenix, that was made to control Tartarus, the gateways, and all of the profiles and assets across the islands
@RoboTrans-nic#2441
This is what I meant by profile deterioration
cold pecan
Btw the echidna isn’t really that important. It’s a neuro human that escaped and seemed to grow an attachment to the first generation after they started creating traditions and religions etc. Perhaps they were worshipping the echidna and these were the first cannibals, and that is why she considers them children. But there’s very little information on it.
mighty abyss
So
Evrima huh
Think that name has any significance or is just a fancy buzzword
Because once again, it's related to a Greek word - "Discovery"
And if we were to go really off hilter with theories: The Discovery was a ship in the 1900's that went sailing to the Antarctic and became stuck, and then for a second time with the BANZARE company (Britain New Zealand and Australia Antarctic Research Expedition)
This could relate to a "discovery" of a new land, aka V4, the "discovery" of a new beginning, aka Genetic tempering, or quite literally The Isle is a prehistoric Antarctica
Just an idea though
frail dune
EVRIMA backwards is AMIRVE, removing the MIRV and we get AE, Apollo Engineering. Evrima is synonymous with this new project to rebuild The Isle. Therefore, AE is starting a new project, they're terraforming the islands. MIRV (Multiple Independently-targetable Reentry Vehicle) is a missile payload system related to intercontinental ballistic missiles. Therefore V3 is getting nuked before we move to the new map. To cover up a failed experiment.
icy onyx
Except why use MIRV on a single island. Thats a waste of resources
frail dune
It's a big experiment, the replicator must never be shown to the public
sinful void
A single tactical nuke would probably suffice
frail dune
You know I'm doing this for fun right
slow delta
You know this channel is for serious theories right
cold pecan
They’ve always been terraforming islands. V3s terraforming process is listed as incomplete
feral agate
@icy onyx no such thing as overkill
slow delta
Some lore is actually tied to in game updates such as the allo remodels mentioned in the loading screen. This is probably an example of when v3 was still being developped.
If you see the population is about 100k which is what the steam charts showed at the time
I feel like the inclusion of all these meta lore hints might have actually pushed the devs to write themselves into a corner but i hope thats not the case
orchid heron
Yeah I've been trying all day to find out what EVRIMA means and I've come up with several acronyms but none of them make sense for what para described it as soo idk wtf it is
And no it's not discovery
Its capped for a reason
Plus para said so
icy onyx
Evrima is a sentence
orchid heron
Yeah or its like HNMT
errant eagle
Any idea on what does it mean?
orchid heron
Hypo neuro magna tisso
errant eagle
I mean EVRIMA
orchid heron
And no idk what EVRIMA means
I've been trying all day and nothing has made sense based on what para said about it
And he said that if I get it right he wont tell me because it would ruin the surprise .
So I think it's something big
errant eagle
Evrima in bosnian means Euros
round ivy
pearl atlas
ye if you look up the word evrima its a ship.
slow delta
Its probably a made up acronym then
cold pecan
It's definitely referring to the greek translation because the ig company is called apollo engineering
I think it's probably an acronym due to the all caps but I don't think anyone can really guess it's meaning accurately at this point
tranquil galleon
well v3 would likely require at least two ballistic missiles, it's a collection of islands after all
cold pecan
barren kelp
what
icy onyx
How big was V3 again?
digital vale
15 x 15 km, I believe?
icy onyx
Ah right, one tsar bomba could easily cause a 20 psi overpressure over the entire V3
also 16x16 I think actually
cold pecan
^
digital vale
Sorry, that was only estimation.
icy onyx
but yea, 20 psi overpressure is well... heavy blast damage area after nuclear attack
so technically one tsar bomba could be really fucking lethal
bleak shore
Yo Evrima refers to the Greek meaning of discovery
At least that's what that cruise ship was named after
So
We've had update like 'hope'
And now 'discovery'
orchid heron
para kinda said that only him dondi and kissen know what it means, and he said it may or may not be an acronym, so that means that its not discovery because everyone knows that but not everyone would know what it would mean if it was an acronym
bleak shore
I mean it could be that the updates are providing a summary of the isles timeline or of what's to come
icy onyx
Its a sentence. its ends with a dot
everytime dondi types a sentece he ends it with a dot
but yea, we have virtually no chance to decode it rn
get a generator to spit out sentences with those words and then pick out a couple and there you have a answer
bleak shore
ie. Hope= things to look forward to. /Or/ hope for the Apollo engineering island project /or/( and this is being real hypothetical) hope for a solution to some big problem in the form of the island project (maybe humanity is facing some kinda extinction event or something)
Then EVRIMA is a boat named after the Greek word for discovery so = the update is going to be about players discovering 'The Isle' as if it's a new game /or/ it's a one word transmission to A.E. HQ starting that something has been found (or 'discovered') maybe it's the island they have been looking for, and the island we have been playing on in the current game is just a simulation of what they believe the real thing will be like.
icy onyx
i also found out about the boat
also i foudn out that there are less than 100 people named Evrima
which could mean the update is out in less than 100 days
bleak shore
The boat connection could also be a clever way of saying that new things to discover will be arriving (the boat is just a metaphors for arriving ie. 'Fresh off the boat')
That too
bleak shore
Actually just looked at the transmission again I think lore wise it's definitely an apolo message indicating that something of importance has been found. Now what that thing may be... Is completely up for debate
icy onyx
but with these devs you are never sure what it is
tulip eagle
I think that people are very creative but more than likely overcomplicate things. They may be a lot simpler than we think.
ember flame
EVRIMA simple means discovery in greek
tranquil galleon
orchid heron
Paradym said that only him dondi and kissen know what it means, and he said it may or may not be an acronym, so that means that its not discovery because everyone knows that but not everyone would know what it would mean if it was an acronym
Copy paste
Yeet
long fable
yeet
cold pecan
It is an acronym, but it’s no accident it’s also a Greek word
After all the company is literally called Apollo Engineering
covert burrow
did anyone else notice that the neuro spino emp roar sounds a lot like the "cannibal" sounds in the Aviary? I wonder if the cannibal is laced with neuro spino genes
opaque crane
Those "cannibal sounds" were just creaking metal n shit last i knew
covert burrow
yeah? well i'm late to the discord party. What do i know rofl.
grim osprey
What made the cannibals
orchid heron
i think the replicator
grim osprey
Anyone else remember the whole humans and Dino’s being combined is what created them
orchid heron
yeah thats def the replicator then
grim osprey
I wonder if they lore is considered canon
I also wonder if a book or two might be released set prior to the dinosaurs escaping
cold pecan
I remember those dumbass IGP and Anthomia videos where they heard some metal beams and started screaming like monkeys. Don’t rely on them for factual information lol they just want clicks 90% of the time
icy onyx
better than anth that is
cold pecan
There is very, very, very little information on the cannibals. We know that they and tribals are more or less the same thing, and we are pretty sure that they worship the replicator and they have temples for sacrifice and stuff
icy onyx
Overall I wouldnt trust the big youtubers on lore much, but there are few good summary videos out there
icy onyx
Matters on if they throw it all around post recode
For now its cannon, but possibly a subject to change
fallow heron
the bigger youtubers are better for gameplay than lore.
cold pecan
True, but they keep teasing lore with transmissions and stuff. They might throw out some of the old stuff though, like the tisso’s and stuff
icy onyx
Anyways, after Hope comes out, Ill prolly try ro at least partially geolocate it. If they keep the Polaris in the skybox that is
cold pecan
I’d argue they aren’t even good for that ngl. WE GOT STALKED BY CREATURES IN THE NIGHT for a video where they creep up on a herd at night and a Shant chases them off and they scream about how it’s a Rex or something
icy onyx
They also called trike a rex
fallow heron
this is getting into off-topic sir ratman, let's move it there before we get slammed by the mods
cold pecan
Eh I’m done talking about this topic anyway
icy onyx
Sadly V3 is getting smited, but if the map still stays cannon in lore then
there is something wrong with earth
or its a simulation
Me and some other guy estimated V3s location, and idk exactly the results, but its way too south for such aurora activity
cold pecan
It’s terraforming process is apparently incomplete
And it’s pretty important in the lore. I believe the big dome is Atrium C, where all the Hypo testing was done
They might keep it around like Thenyaw
oak pumice
if v3 is still canon in the lore then maybe it sank
or maybe a massive earthquake ripped it and thenyaw to pieces/reformed the lands and those are the new islands
cold pecan
Well in lore there are 3 islands that we know about
It could just be a redesign of some of the older ones or even v3 itself
jolly carbon
barney is the supreme leader of the hypo rexes
icy onyx
Serious theories only, read the description
vague dome
bold of you to assume they would have the attention span to do that
terse dust
I am sure people have said this before, but with the last release of what looks like the Primal Carnage rex pic, I have a theory.
Phoenix International cloned and crafted dinosaur DNA from dig sites across the world. Reason, most likely initially, was because they could and where driven with the lust for knowledge and advancement. Maybe they had grandiose ideas of controlling these animals or maybe they wished to profit from them in some way. Ultimately this failed as we see the aftermath of this work in Primal Carnage. The attempts to destroy every bit of failure by Phoenix Internationals work on the initial island (Primal Carnage) resulted in the demise of the company and the Island was left to its own devices. Although this was not the only island Phoenix international used for experimentation and engineering. The majority of the why's and how's of Phoenix International was lost in the aftermath of the events that took place 30-40 years ago. At some point Apollo Engineering caught a whiff of what Phoenix International had been doing on the island and started to investigate the islands with remote surveillance.
tulip eagle
I think the codes that were decoded on v3 were things like, you didnt say the magic word, (thats from jp) and the beginning of phase 2 etc. i could definitely see two groups going up against each other, tribals having one type of strain and mercs having the other, maybe all humans will turn into the pale eyeless thing, maybe only tribals will. I can see mercs turning into the colossus only.
icy onyx
Lol cannibal's
raven tree
i just wanna know what the giant skeleton at the bottom of titan lake is
tulip eagle
They arent called cannibals anymore
remote hound
I feel like the giant skeleton is a Hyper version of one of the sauropods(Probably a Puertasaurus since it was the largest sauropod in the game at the time of the the giant skeleton’s appearance) If it’s a Hyper Puertasaurus, then it might get scrapped due to the Puertasaurus itself being scrapped.
tight isle
what are they called? @tulip eagle ?
fkn blind bois
Dino i heard that herbies wouldnt hypos
but
tulip eagle
Devs said they arent called cannibals anymore. They never said what tthey would be called NOW
So i cant say i know
remote hound
The giant skeleton has more similarities to a sauropod to any other dinosaur, so maybe they had the idea before, but if that’s the case, then it’s definitely getting scrapped.
tiny oxide
Maybe it was the 1st hypo prototype that got too dangerous (massive) so they had it contained and drowned it with the dam already in place by just opening it up to flood. If i remember there is a structure down there also, could've been a small forward research base.
ornate flower
the giant skeleton is a Spino-like creature, i think, though the ribcage and shoulder-blades are distinctly human
cold pecan
It’s either the body of a hypo colossus, or just an asset placed there that doesn’t mean anything
ornate flower
i think Dondi mentioned an "Island Walker" at one point?
something that dwarfs the Colossus
cold pecan
Maybe, I don’t remember anything like that
tranquil galleon
maybe its the matriarch with the alias as island walker?
ornate flower
i was under the impression it's something else
tranquil galleon
more than likely yes, but eh, throwin' round a possibility
tranquil galleon
AE made their own dinosaurs as did PI, but AE, during Operation Inferno, sabotaged PI and seized several assets
cold pecan
like the magna rex
radiant lance
Where do I start with all the lore ?
icy onyx
cold pecan
grizzled dune
Meaty Lock did a video covering the general known lore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9quVV55X-w&list=UU1-NjhhTHt7vcBw6OTtZqhQ&index=113
It's from 2018 but since then we haven't learned much.Except PCE and Isle being connected
it's a good place to start.
cold pecan
did we know about the replicator back then?
grizzled dune
Yee
cold pecan
ah that works them
radiant lance
Thanks a lot
feral mortar
A theory I’ve kept in my head for a while, when mercenaries come to the island, and disturb the locals (the tribals). After the tribals have launched their attack on the mercs and killed a few, they take them back to camp and eat their bodies. This would explain when dondi said the tribals were the actual cannibals. Following this action, a tribal would begin to form into a “cannibal” (this creature is not actually called a cannibal) As we know the pale eyeless creatures are.
as their name has yet to be disclosed we can only speculate.
These creatures have a lot in common with the Native American legend “the wendigo”. This particular creature resembling the more humanoid wendigo, these have been known to dwell in caves, sporting the pale skin, with long arms and legs, being able to run extremely fast and towering over any normal person.
This makes the most sense to me personally, but maybe I’m just biased.
delicate pagoda
i mean yea that seems legit to me but i am sure the team will add some more odd stuff into it but it makes sense
feral mortar
Yeah, not sure if cannibal mother is still planned but unless she was creature by a strain- kinda fucks with my theory
delicate pagoda
o yea i aint heard much about her in a while
feral mortar
She loves cannibals apparently
It’s kinda cute but creepy at the same time
She gives them hugs
delicate pagoda
now she just needs the OwO face xD
cold pecan
The cannibal mother is Echidna and is still canon, yes
feral mortar
Me starring at the square she’s holding
cold pecan
When talking about tribals Dondi said that you would have to play as them to eventually become an eyeless thing
feral mortar
It’s just a theory, a pretty lazy one but it’s just something I thought of
cold pecan
Also tribals aren’t really humans
feral mortar
They border
cold pecan
They’re mutant boys
feral mortar
Ngl at first I wasn’t fond of the cannibals, but they’re kinda growing on me
cold pecan
It’s quite vague at the moment, I imagine from much sacrifice and stuff you would become the eyeless boys
Cannibals are epic, they’re what I’m most excited for
wraith nova
That would be nice theory but.. so caled tribals used store bought model that was placeholder. It was test of general mechanic. Tribals refer to simple society they have, nost likely tribes. They never mesnt tk be taken as Native Americans. Welp, there you go devs, the Native Americans lived on iskand/islands will come back to this channel until something new pops up.
feral mortar
i didnt mean they were NA, more of just borrowing that type of cryptid-lore
patent gyro
@feral mortar some time ago when don was describing the eyeless creatures and the cannibals he did state that he called the eyeless creature “the cannibals” to trick the community into thinking that to turn into said eyeless creature you have to become a cannibal which is false. This is actually covered somewhat by catbugs animated video of the clip too. I liked your theory and had the same idea before that, but unfortunately it won’t be that easy. However my theory is that through sacrifices to the replicator or sacrificing yourself you will be given... gifts (mutations) that could get you to the status of the eyeless creature as a tribal.
feral mortar
That makes sense
smoky agate
solitary
But am preatty sure the wendigo ate the victims alive
so will the cannibals in this game do the same or no
patent gyro
I mean. There might be an animation to where they will do that. But don said in the Q&A that it’s boring and frustrating to just sit there able to do nothing while you are being eaten and there might be an animation for that but all in all you would of died and moved on as a player. This was brought up for the dinosaurs but probably can be used for humans/ tribal cannibals as well.
arctic tundra
First time discussing and delving into anything lorelike for me. But the Olympus transmitter posts give me a weird post apocalyptic vibe. For example we have it saying that it wishes to bring "us" back. No matter how long it'll take. So my own feeling is that this might be the replicator attempting to bring back human civilization or humans by retracing the genetics. Or maybe attempting to enhance humans in some sense? By directing evolution.
Or perhaps the replicator is an uploaded human consciousness into a machine?
Maybe multiple
wraith nova
As far as we know no post apocalyptics stuff. Especially if mercenarirs are suppouse to be dropped in containers on Isle. I won't point tribals as another human faction because they are more humanoid than human at this point.
icy onyx
Can u guys think a Theory on WHY Apollo engineering made the dinosaurs?
sand seal
Honestly, I think the reason would be "Because we can". Experiment getting out of hand.
You start seeing if it's possible, then make a test, and another test... suddenly there's Strains mutating and it all goes to hell.
cold pecan
Because we can seems pretty anticlimactic
Also all the stuff about "I will bring you back" negates that
gloomy olive
well its like- if you create bacteria to eat garbage
but then it starts eating everything
and now u have a big problem
grim osprey
Probs trying to weaponise them
Or time travel
As one of those bags suggests it’s from the 50’s if im not mistaken
upper island
again, the whole 50's thing was a prototype. the isle does NOT take place in the 50s
grim osprey
Im not saying it does but perhaps time travel was developed and that bag was designed to be sent back
And yes the devs may say it is a place holder but maybe that’s cause they don’t want lore leaked
Now I may definitely be wrong but there is a chance im not
sullen quarry
Sooo i have this kinda fan made thing that ties in with a theory, was more going to post that and let people get a good laugh at the theory then me just flat out explain it would that be ok to do or prefer a clear idea of what my theory is?
cold pecan
I don’t thin time travel is really a factor in the Isle
And whatever floats your boat Espirit
grim osprey
Well I mean if dinosaurs and alien looking creatures are canon I don’t see why time travel is something far off
icy onyx
@grim osprey because genetical engineering =/= time travel?
sand seal
One of them is biologically possible and feasible in the next thirty or so years, and the other is time travel.
sand seal
The 50's year on the bags was for the testing prototypes for merch. It's not the canon year.
icy onyx
meanwhile time travel is well... time travel
arctic tundra
Are there any theories on what the twitter account/transmitter meant with bringing us back?
cold pecan
Not any solid ones
edgy pike
I would say human consciousnesses transferred into dinosaurs, either volunteers, people who were tricked, kidnapped etc. or all 3
So us as players are actually playing as trapped humans
That's why we get those death screens and the ability to respawn, it's the same consciousness in a different animal body
cold pecan
That's the general consensus, yes
wary eagle
What about nested ones?
Are we then a true dinosaur, or what?
Because we know there's no human technology in the nested creatures, at the very least no implants
high heath
Why would they have implants?
You are born with no implants. So animals who have implants will mate, and their young will be untouched by Humanity
patent gyro
some time ago dondi said that the predators will have trackers in them so a merc will know when there is a predator nearby. This was an idea from some form of jurassic park media I forget which one, but when you breed and spawn from a nest you would be what is refered to as a "natural born" with no trackers and not able to be picked up by the "tracker" by the mercs and stuff.
wary eagle
That's not what I'm talking about
I'm talking about the idea that each dinosaur has a human consciousness "beamed" (for lack of a better word) into it
and that it's a human controlling it
or was the idea that the entire game is a simulation somewhere?
Because that's a little too meta for me XD
I had assumed that this "implant" that keeps getting mentioned would be the means by which a creature is tracked, its health monitored, and its body controlled by one of these trapped/hired humans in the sim
That's the part I was having a problem with
Because if that's supposed to explain how we're able to respawn and pick colors, then how do you explain the hatchling nested dinos being treated the same way?
Seeing as, as you both have stated, they would not have an implant
wraith nova
I don't think we figured that one out. There was discussions about it last year, with no conclusion how it would work, beside game mechanic
cold pecan
It’s actually very clear about the nesting thing when you think about it
Gameplay mechanics in the isle is mostly explained through lore(dinosaur selection screen, information tab, etc.), and in game you have to invite other players(or profiles) to your nest for them to hatch
Remember in the lore us players are the profiles, the human consciousness that is transferred into these dinosaurs
So it’s as simple as that really
tight isle
I dont understand how a simple player/human consciousness can make changes to another consciousness. When nesting its a low rank affecting another of the same rank or even lower
cold pecan
What do you mean
ember lance
You mean the players consciousness affecting the dinos consciusness? or?
icy onyx
Human consciousness inside the dino body
digital vale
Well, maybe that's just how all AE's dinosaurs work - they don't have any consciousness inside them. Those that are stored somewhere and are chipped get the consciousness automatically (or by someone, maybe Replicator?) transfered as we select the one we want and spawn into the game, but those that are "in the egg" need to have somebody else (a.k.a. their mother) to direct consciousness' signal to them - without it, they are just hollow body without a soul, so they can never be born.
river marsh
Its kind of a little headcannon of mine that those who retain the most "sanity" (because we know they're being reverted to primal, violent instinct) are frequently the nesting females in a pack and as such have the strongest links/capacity to call back a lost profile from a packmate that has "died". And that is how groups are maintained consistently. Though how they develop the capacity to do such is beyond me atm
edgy pike
"Today we have a preview of the highly anticipated and first of Atrium B's many playable aquatic predators: Deinosuchus"
Just remembered this existed when they brought out the Deino animation preview, I hope it means we'll get an Atrium B at some point later on
also the "many playable aquatic predators" bit sounds nice
limber pumice
Hello. ^^ I was just wondering if someone could explain to me about the whole theory about dinos having the human consciousness in them? I'm really curious about it. I've been playing the isle for the last couple years or so but I'm only just now starting to get into the lore of it and the theories. So I thought I could start there
waxen stratus
Hey guys what is the lore of the isle that explains why there are no mammals that existed along dinosaurs. Like the rodents that troodon most likely preyed on. I've heard that it exists but I can't find it
ivory escarp
i think its cause the isle doesnt happen in ancinent times, but instead people brought in the most interesting things to study-that being dinosaurs
waxen stratus
Ah ok if they are trying to replicate that ecosystem though it wouldn't be very hard to bring in some rodents so the troodons could hunt
ivory escarp
well, in that case, it would propably be better to bring in some of todays rodents, they would propably act the same without the need of a lot of extra work to bring them back
tranquil galleon
troodon scavenges
and I don't believe the ecosystem was intentional
considering the fact that many apex species were recreated
giganotosaurus
acrocanthosaurus
spinosaurus
tyrannosaurus
deinosuchus
waxen stratus
So if I'm thinking right it is basically a dinosaur zoo like jurrasic park. They have completely destroyed all life on the island to replace it with specific specimens from the cretaceous to jurassic
And they were experimenting with the genetics to try and make more powerful dinosaurs (possibly for military) like in Jurassic world
Which fits well with the mercenary group on the island
cold pecan
You guys don’t have to speculate so much - if you look in pinned there’s a lore website with misty everything we know so far
desert flume
