I mean we got Mono and Dilo so there's not much Cryo would bring to the table
#isle-lore-theories
edgy pike
icy onyx
wrong channel for that as well
subtle granite
In the isle hope trailer the small dryo looking animal in the jungle might be the troodon based on how the idles look
blazing notch
prehistoric park gone wrong
waxen pulsar
i am willing to bet a large portion of money that the oviraptor will have the pig squeal sounds from primal carnage
@subtle granite i think thats a compy but maybe
twin vale
eh, i might try and be a bit more inventive this time round.
icy onyx
@icy onyx hi
vernal gorge
I saw in the ask a dev thingy that we weren’t allowed to ask about lore there but I’m just wondering if anyone knows if the lore is still compatible/the same as before or if it’s gonna change?
mighty abyss
So far we speculate over what has been said, anything that happens after the recode will be of higher importance
Basically order of priority og > current > post-recode
vernal gorge
ok cool
minor ore
yeah as far as im aware i think dinosauriac made a comment saying how not even the dev team knows what the lore is at this point, its just whatever is in dondi’s head but he’s obviously more focused on getting the game to a playable, polished point in production where we as a playerbase can finally get the game theyve been promising us for years.
ancient spindle
Dondi knows what the lore is, I’ll say that much.
I’m sure he has a bunch of stuff written down.
ocean summit
time to raid his house then, jk
opaque crane
that's not a lore theory at all
icy onyx
^
opaque crane
that's just some obvious inspiration that people figured out
icy onyx
Anyway what do you guys think about the origin of the war in the isle universe?
ancient spindle
What war lol?
woeful chasm
uh there is a war?
slow delta
I think he mights operation inferno
dawn crescent
It’s all a dream...
torn halo
tight isle
What a spoon main
nimble girder
Y'know, when im walking around on some of the maps older, and newer. Some of the human buildings like the outposts look like college buildings.
Here's my own personal theory, imagine that a scientific company found ways to not only bring back extinct animals but see how they could've theoretically evolved (Magna Tyrannus for example). Of course this can raise profit for entertainment purposes like having people come to the island to see real dinosaurs. But, another huge part of income could come from education imagine all the possible students coming to these islands to learn the ways the inner workings of previous species differ from current animals? Or to understand more about the ways evolution occurs and how it can be altered?
Now this is where I think the horror comes into play, I have a theory that a certain scientist may of had his ambitions set more than just how prehistoric animals could've evolved but what about humans? The students could be easy to cover their deaths as means of blaming the animals on the island, and I'd imagine AVN has a lot of world power contractors who wouldn't want to cut their funds with the company over a few young adults dying.
What im trying to say is that tribals may be a result of experimentations of different evolutionary outcomes for human being by using strains on human beings and the students and tourists could be excellent test subjects for the company or mad scientist maybe(?) to see how we humans could evolve.
Unless Tribals aren't related to humans at all then my theory goes down the toilet 
restive crane
I’m pretty sure tribals are humans. Could even be the .. well, tribals of the island of the Isle.
Although, I see where you’re coming from. I mean, how would any natives know of the dinosaurs, and how to effectively fight them, if they have been made by a company?
placid field
Why would a corporation want to create primitive humans? Or are they trying to see if they could have ever successfully lived along side Dinosaurs?
Actually wait, I read that wrong
elfin geyser
Let's look at two options.
- As they wrote above - primitive people were created by the company and released in order to see how they get along with dinosaurs. But then it turns out they got out of control when they began to tame dinosaurs? After all, the attack of dinosaurs is a serious threat even to the company, not to mention tamed creatures.
- Tribes already lived before the arrival of companies and were in a position when dinosaurs appeared in their world. I do not think that people who saw only small predators (compared with dinosaurs) were able to resist them, not to mention taming.
But it is worth noting that the creation of the tribe even sounds silly, although who knows these bourgeois.
mighty abyss
I don't think the tribals are human... or if they're still Homo, they're not Sapien
acoustic pine
Didn't dondi say Ina stream a really long time ago that the song Gasoline by Halsey had some sort relation to the isle's lore or something?
ancient spindle
Hmmmm
uneven sigil
tribals homo. meaning gay. heugh..... thats all, good luck
robust harbor
damn, what drpenny said is super cool listening to the song? It's a cool concept
tulip eagle
Tribals i feel were already on that island before any of the other types of humans
wraith nova
As far as we know tribals refer more to basic social structure than to them being natives. We probably should dump term tribals because tribals=cannibals.
elfin geyser
The menu has a choice of "military" and "tribal", I think that cannibals belong to a different faction, and not to "tribal"
icy onyx
@elfin geyser cannibals and tribals are the same thing
the wierd blind humanoids
their name is unknown
elfin geyser
@icy onyx Those. wild people (namely people) will not be? It was just a concept art where dinosaurs were tamed and decorated.
icy onyx
woeful radish
I saw a video where they showcased the tribals and they looked like native Americans
We feathers and stuff
With
icy onyx
watch this video I sent Mike
opaque crane
The native american-looking models were storebough models for testing
elfin geyser
@icy onyx Well then, it turns out that the concept art of tamed dino were in vain? For these creatures do not need personal dynos🤔
icy onyx
Actually I think there is dino slavery planned but that aint lore topic
woeful radish
Vídeo is cool still o would like to be able to play has the Native American style humans imagine like building a village having to defend it from the Dino’s relocating etc
I think it would be a cool concept
patent gyro
now don't quote me on this but I believe in a stream a long time ago or not too long ago he was hinting that the Tribals were humans but because of something due to the replicator (which some of you may know that dondi did say the tribals worshiped the replicator because who wouldn't worship something that brought them back to life.) and it replicating them or bringing them back to life over generations they got to the mutated inbred look we know of them today. that is what I believe from what I remember or heard. but I could be remembering wrong or it could of changed. did anyone else remember dondi talking about that? the tribals and replicator stuff that is? edit! it was in reference to a concept art for a temple to the replicator
high heath
My question is; if Mercs are coming, what other modern day creatures are coming? And what happened to the natural animals on The Isle?
icy onyx
Who said it had any in the start
vague dome
the isle is artificial and terraformed
dusk axle
everything on the Isle seems to be manmade via the replicator
icy onyx
there are islands that dont have animal populations
also yea, could just be artificial island. Those also exist
and are relatively cheap
dusk axle
nothing is actually natura, there are no accidents everything is according to plan
icy onyx
"there are no accidents" then why did alfie escape
which resulted in termination of researh on strain flyers
icy onyx
then why stop the research
dusk axle
using assets, technology and even people as means to an end
ember flame
It could all be for the greater good
dusk axle
maybe not evel but utilitarian
icy onyx
Yes but in that case
dusk axle
risking lives of others, mutating humans and i cant really see why the development of strains would be of greater good, specially the human exposition to them
icy onyx
why end study
dusk axle
but just a thory
icy onyx
after an "accident"
icy onyx
" QUETZALCOATLUS STUDY HAS BEEN NEUTRALIZED SINCE (9 LETTERS). CODE ALFIE-(6 LETTERS) IS STILL MIA"
ember flame
Ceased further study of info
mighty abyss
You get the human minds inside baby bodies, but where do the baby minds go? The human bodies
ember flame
What
I just think thet are dinos being controled by humans (Player)
and the dinos think they are in control
idk
oh no isle lore theories is big dead again
placid harness
Good. Evil.
Both are trivial. It seems that they are doing all of this for a reason that isn't fairy tale.
upbeat solstice
Money
placid pond
Hollar hollar give me dollar
arctic igloo
The isle is a hidden island full of terror. An island hidden to man untill one day a top secret faction called AE stumbly upon it. They discover prestoric dinosaurs. They also discover they are not the only people inhabiting this island and that there are human like creatures stalking them the night, along with the dinos. They then begin to build a facility on this island and secure all the dinos in cages. They begin to genticly mutate these creatures while also breeding and mataining and traing all other dinosaurs. Years later there expirments went wrong in the facility. Creatures unlike many escaped. They left most of the building in ruine. All the dinosaurs fled back into the wild. Only a few survived, and with what and who they had left they slowly begain to rebuild. Surving night after night they slowly and slowly began to be safe again, instead of catching the dinos they decided to watch from a distance, studying them. All the while they contuine to experment. Watching, and studying there still out there, who knows that their planning, mabye something big.
opaque crane
groot i dont think ae just found an island with dinosaurs
these animals were very clearly genetically engineered
sly bluff
I mean that would explain why the dinos aren't "accurate"
icy onyx
Are the Dinos extinct 🤔
opaque crane
What?
sly bluff
I mean why wouldn't they?
unless you're asking if the Isle's universe has dinosaurs that never went extinct
icy onyx
skull island moment
humble blade
We want Kong in recode
slow delta
icy onyx
sigh People read channel description. "Please keep your theories serious"
woeful radish
Basically the Jurassic park story with some differences
Except the isle was never meant to be a theme park
mighty loom
Man I got the ultimate lore summary ready but its too long I guess :(
mighty loom
I'm not the privvy on docs so im gonna just put it im off topic for now since its still Isle related
GFDI
Fixed it. Nvm docs werent that bad xD
digital vale
But why dinosaurs? What makes them better than any other animal to be used as bio-weapon? AE risked so much with Operation Inferno, + they are probably behind Lawrence Carter's disappearence (murder? kidnapping? used for experiment?, which means they can get into serious lawsuit), so it feels very weird that they didn't use any other animals for these experiments.
ornate flower
well, here's one possibility; AE has a "Peter Ludlow" in charge. (yes i know Ludlow is a JP character, bear with me)
in The Lost World, Ludlow says;
"An extinct animal brought back to life has no rights. It exists because we made it. We patented it. We own it."
gloomy pond
@ornate flower Why do i hate that you used that quote in a good context?
ornate flower
i don't know?
icy onyx
Here's my theory of port and power station. Unlike the Jurrasic Park popular dino eating scenario, we have experimental dinos who are completely out of reach (because of controlling elements) to the humans. It is when a reckless mercenary or scientist decides to turn the dinos against the research and instill chaos, giving the Isle V3 map the current state of being
It's cheesy but a theory
imo theres something more then just bio weapons
a lethal virus that is programmable and you can choose how well it spreads etc is a lot better bio weapon allowing for both surgical strikes and absolute wiping out of population
gloomy pond
Isn't that the plot to The Maze Runner?
icy onyx
uhh not sure but thats offtopic
signal pendant
south pasture
First, wrong channel, 2nd you don’t on official servers. It’s a scummy practice some unofficial server owners do to get more money. @signal pendant
Heck someone beat me to it
south pasture
Anyway so, we know AE has aquatic holding pens from past concept art, but those are hardly good for actual testing since it’s such an enclosed space. So where did they test them? The open ocean with trackers sounds unreliable to keep them from escaping.
But how big would a closed off area of ocean have to be to get good results, but then again what were they doing with aquatics in the first place
icy onyx
I mean on map v3 some part of the map was locked off towards the ocean and islands showing no signs of land life around and lots of rivers coming in and out of the map, almost similar to the new map 
, The test might of been for the new “Products” of marine life like deino but I could possibly be very wrong
icy onyx
What I dont understand, all dinos seem to have some sort of implat/tracker
so how did Alfie just manage to get away
high heath
From what I understand, Hyperendocrin are heavily armored animals and have an incredibly fast metabolism
And Alphonze/Alphonse is a heavily armored individual, and trackers are incredibly hard to put on armored individuals
loud river
Coulda gotten put in wrong or loose
Or we can go the Jurrassic world way and say he got it out somehow
paper furnace
^
tranquil galleon
Alphonse/Big Alfie was a quetzalcoatlus
they aren't heavily armoured
where did you read about alfie 'getting away' @icy onyx
Or did you just assume?
icy onyx
AE-AES-100
TYPE-H SPECIMENS
TYPE-H ASSET STUDY HAS BEEN MOVED FROM (6 LETTERS) TO ATRIUM C. ALL ASSETS SHOW INCREASED BONE DENSITY AND TISSUE GROWTH. DUE TO THE VOLATILE EFFECTS SINCE (5 LETTERS), STUDIES HAVE BEEN SECLUDED TO TYRANNOSAURUS,GIGANOTOSAURUS,SPINOSAURS, AND UTAHRAPTOR SPECIMENS. QUETZALCOATLUS STUDY HAS BEEN NEUTRALIZED SINCE (9 LETTERS). CODE ALFIE-(6 LETTERS) IS STILL MIA.
aka this google doc
tranquil galleon
oh the loading screen
cedar oar
copper prawn
just noticed there's another word in the logo thing
it looks like a "why" to me
could be WMY or WNY but 🤔
ornate flower
it's WHY
dire haven
Hard to make out but the work fake is also visible (in black)
upper island
Here is my basic understanding of the isle's lore: so basically there is this thing called "phoenix international", and they have found a way to clone dinosaurs. They have a competetor, named "apollo engineering", who also does things with genetics. Apollo saw that poenix could clone dinosaurs, so they did what nedry (failed) to do in JP, they stole several dinosaur DNA samples using a spy, who then sabotaged phoenix's whole operation, and released their dinosaurs in the process, leading to the events of Primal Carnage. when apollo got these DNA samples, they went to aa secret island chain and set up their main base of operations on one island, with several other outposts on the other islands. Apollo used the DNA to make their own dinosaurs with their own tweaks, to make them more accurate, but they still werent perfect, so they kept on experimenting and experimenting, finding out how to create mutant strains in the process. Apollo then slowed the research on the dinosaurs, and started to do more research with the strains, creating several different strains of dinosaurs. But of course, not everything is perfect, as one of the type-H dinosaurs managed to breach containment, and broke through several other enclosures during the rampage, setting more dinosaurs free. A while after this terrible event happened, Apollo decided, "you know what? What if we set all of the dinos free on Isla Spero, Thenyaw Island, and Isle V3 lose? Maybe we could start an entire ecosystem, and study the natural habits of the dinosaurs, while still experimenting with strains!". Ao they did tht, and BOOM!
(ps, sorry for how long that is...)
icy onyx
I'm not sure entirely if I should reply but hopefully someone will tell me not to and remove the message.
I wish I could write that long. So it's fine.
upper island
i don't care if you reply :), i am open to comments
icy onyx
Okie
upper island
btw, i didn't mean to say it like: "I dOnT cArE aBoUt YoUr OpInIoNs AbOuT mY tHeOrIeS".
i meant it as in if you want to reply, go ahead
icy onyx
I know, but thanks anyway.
upper island
ok 😄 👍
vague dome
your forgetting the whole human concious inside dinosaurs
plus the fact nothing is going wrong and is going according to plan
upper island
oh yeah! i forgot about the whole human concious thing, but i don't know what you meant by the second thing
vague dome
one of the lines intended for the audio logs when humans finally come into the isle is "life did not find a way"
upper island
o
radiant mason
So i really want to get into the lore of the game but i dont have a clue about it
can i get a brief/short explanation on why the isle exists and why its there
pls
upper island
i stated my idea of the isle lore a few messages ago
radiant mason
alright ill look for it
so primal carnage(im guessing you are talking about the game) ties in with the isle?
upper island
yes
upper island
oh yeah
woeful chasm
The best way to get what we last knew is probably still the pinned messages and the summary video and other similar ones made from the same person. At this point we aren't exactly sure what the lore is still
waxen pulsar
@upper island ok but the mangatyrannus is also the PC rex, so how does that tie in with phoenix's and apollo's intentions. (i dont remember much bc this was awhile ago but werent the magna's made to hunt down the hypos?)
icy onyx
magnas were made even before hypers
I mean, they got them from Pheonix during op. inferno
upbeat urchin
I tried to make the ISLA spero island if it hadn’t drifted away from each other, I made this for fun cause I was bored but I thought it was interesting
I’m not sure if it’s suppose to go in this channel?
opaque crane
I dont think that's a theory or lore-related
upbeat urchin
Yee idk where it goes Dx
opaque crane
Probably #401470471750811669 or #401464048610312195 idk. Not here though.
opaque crane
Yeah
high heath
What does myth have to do with The Isle?
I mean, Tartarus was a prison for the Titans, we have references to heroes and warriors
digital vale
Personally, I believe Tartarus is a place where Hypos, Echidna, Colossus, etc. were created. After finishing your contract/completing your profile, Replicator sends (your) EIP throught Gateway to Tartarus, where you become a monster like them. So, from what we know from mythology, maybe Tartarus is also the place where Hypos etc. are being held and also is the place they are sent from to Isles.
vague dome
echinda and colossus are individuals
they were humans injected with nuero and hypo tissue respectively
placid pond
(Late Ik)
The Hypos/Neuros being shown off to us might have been a test (in both game sense and lore sense) to see how they would work, before being recalled, or subdued and taken back to wherever they came from
digital vale
@vague dome I know, but they must've been originally held somewhere. I don't have any information about Colossus, but there were few theories about Echidna, like, being originally woman with cancer, that she is communicating to you throught Console, and that Echidna = Matriarch. I cannot find the original loading screen, but if she is truly Matriarch, then she was held for some time in Tartarus, used for research and experiments and then she escaped.
pliant perch
@opaque crane
opaque crane
Yes?
pliant perch
oh, must have pressed some wrong keys on the phone,sry about that Nines
opaque crane
Oh okay
icy onyx
What if the military discovers the Isle, and they decide that these dinos could have some uses. Not wanting to spend government money on wrangling these dinos, they decide to use the dinos as target practice. In doing so, they try to determine if the dinos are bullet proof. The dinos get all the wiser and become wary of these maniacs.
copper ruin
So um what is the whole human conciousness in dinosaurs thing about.
digital vale
Not much info, really. Every person (player) has a conciousness stored in some sort of program (or whatever it is), that transfers them over and over again into dinosaur bodies so we are trapped in the endless loop of reincarnating. With each reincarnation, we get new memories and experiences, and these information are then sent to Replicator, which colects it and store it as Profiles (probably?). I might be wrong tho.
mental tree
I need someone to explain me why this thing is inside The Isle Wiki?
ornate flower
isn't that Echidna?
mental tree
Neurotenic Mastermind this is what its called there
icy onyx
We dont really know what it is, pmuch we just know the name Echidna
also its known as mother of cannibals
lavish gyro
Ew, that thing does not need to be in the game, thanks
it's left arm is sticking out from behind it's' croch so it looks like a dick
and it's got tentacles on it's legs and feet
icy onyx
and it also seems to have some role in the games lore soo
lavish gyro
just so long as it stays in the lore
tight isle
afaik echidnas have like a lot of penises so it might as well be a penis
icy onyx
And what exactly makes you thing thats an appropriate statement for this chat @tight isle
icy onyx
yea no thanks, humanoids really arent sentient penises
tight isle
no look at the weird tentacles coming out of the legs and behind the crotch
icy onyx
Also a) its a female and b) I am really sure its named after greek mythology
as well everything
heavy dove
greek mythology? which name? im a greek so i can help? 
ornate flower
Echidna
tight isle
i dont thnk theres a greek mythologi guy named echidna lol
ornate flower
i knew it was something snake related, i just couldn't remember which one
icy onyx
also she is known as mother of monsters
icy onyx
and our echidna is known as mother of cannibals
tight isle
wrong chat
ornate flower
i'm not too familiar with Greek Myth
heavy dove
echidna?
i havent heard that name in greek mythology
do you mean hydra?
or
medoussa?
icy onyx
nope
heavy dove
hold on
ornate flower
maybe it's a Roman myth name?
icy onyx
Ἔχιδνα should be the greek name
tight isle
lol
heavy dove
it is
ornate flower
oh it is Greek
"In Greek mythology, Echidna (/ɪˈkɪdnə/; Greek: Ἔχιδνα, "She-Viper")[2] was a monster, half-woman and half-snake, who lived alone in a cave. She was the mate of the fearsome monster Typhon and was the mother of monsters,[3] including many of the most famous monsters of Greek myth."
icy onyx
rip
but seeing as she is a major character in the lore, she most likely wont be in the game right
unless the entire idea behind her is retconned
We dont really know tbh
tight isle
lol
ornate flower
aye, there's very little lore info available
icy onyx
and i thought cannibals or the ones we knew about
are no longer a thing
the blind humaniods
They are a thing
We just dont know their name
ah
so they are no longer cannibas
they are something else
Tribals are now officialy named cannibals
ornate flower
as far as i know, those creatures are still a thing, but they were never named, and we just assumed they were called Cannibals
icy onyx
makes sense
ornate flower
the Tribals are the Cannibals
ornate flower
oh he did?
icy onyx
to confuse us
ornate flower
ah lol
icy onyx
and at this point i no longer think they are human
ornate flower
what a Dondi thing to do
icy onyx
atleast the tribals could be mistaken for human from far away
I know tisso is retconned but what about the
collosus
colossus
the reaver is probably gone but I would like to understand the colossus
cause hypers are easily the most confirmed strain with what
5 models finished
yea
or close to finish
unkempt flicker
Did we know which concept art they will use for the cannibal ?
vale rose
Tribals and cannibals working together to control the dinosaurs and rid their native land of the outside forces who came and took control of their island to experiment.
Dinosaurs break free of this control and thus a free-for-all ensues.
silk glen
Tribals and cannibals are the same
icy onyx
yea
mighty abyss
We need this recode to come out so we have a proper name for the tribals that doesn't make people think of the natives
icy onyx
https://youtu.be/HEFXKJPx35Q sigh Ill repost the video again I guess
Tribals = Cannibals
Blind bois? We dont know
slow delta
Although truth be told there's a chance nothing is canon anymore as well
serene wadi
Reminder to stay on topic and follow the guidelines in the channel's description.
Per rule 3 in #rules-and-info .
icy onyx
So, the ones with no eyes, we don’t know the name of. The orc lookin dudes are now called cannibals, am I correct?
icy onyx
Correct
grizzled dune
Gonna post an old theory i had around for over a year but never shared
Artificial Neural Network - Codename: Chaos.
Complex AI system with one goal in mind: Create the Perfect Organism.
This AI network is a junction of "Simpler" AI sub-systems/sub-systems,each of which has it's own task and Purposes.
AI Sub-systems/Sub-systems codenames and purposes:
Replicator - Compile Information submitted by profiles and redistribute it upon Gateway. Monitor Gateway
Gateway - Gather compiled information from the Replicator.Transport EIP to Tartarus. Possibly the location where general research is conducted.
Tartarus - Isolated land inhabited by profiles.Test Environment.Possibly an area dedicated to Field Research. NEIP Redistribution,Whatever that means.
Chaos compiles information gathered by Tartarus observation.Compiled information is them applied into Perfect Organism research.
It's possible that Chaos is the Perfect Organism undergoing a management test,so it's capabilities can be studied.
Chaos' structure can be explained by using this graph: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/427681501950377985/482921202487263243/artificial_neural_network_1-791x388.jpg
Each Layer represents an AI-subsystem.
Input Layer: Replicator
Hidden Layer 1 : Gateway
Hidden Layer 2: Tartarus
Output Layer: Chaos
For better understanding,compare this ANN (Artificial Neural Network) to a brain.
Each Layer represents a Neuron and each connection represents a Synapse.
Why would this system be needed?
War
This would explain the government interest in such a weapon,capable of manufacturing, controlling,researching and improving monstrous weapons.
"The perfect organism. Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility."
-Ash (Alien,1979)
regal locust
👏
icy onyx
is it hyperendocrine or hyperendocrin
tight isle
hyperendocrin
Cannibals are Tribals who have cannibalized their fellow tribal bois. They get some kind of mutated kuru and turn into the cannibals
thats what im thinking at least
gooogle kuru on wikipedia
The symptoms are kinda scary lol
icy onyx
@tight isle Dondi himself said he called the blind bois cannibals for us to asume certain way of unlocking which will never happen
tight isle
Yes
Thats what im saying
The tribals gotta eat other tribals
Ut
Ut
But*
But tribals wont be able to eat eachother
Or something lol oof
icy onyx
The name was there to confuse us
tight isle
Oh
icy onyx
the blind bois also arent named canmibals anymore
icy onyx
and normal tribals are named cannibals now
icy onyx
https://youtu.be/HEFXKJPx35Q watch this
icy onyx
ah
tight isle
Il lwatch it again
He said tribals and cannibals were the same thing
And then he said the thing about a certain way of unlocking them
My phones boutta die so ill prolly be back in a couple hours from my pc lol
shut trout
opaque crane
we dont know what the blind creatures are
opaque crane
Did you watch the video?
north hound
Muster
lone anchor
Nines "blind"
hazy ingot
blind boi /|\
Mercenarys /|\
(that model is a place holder)
Cannibal on the right and unknown / used to be called cannibal on the left
hazy ingot
the "Unknown" creatures will likley be like bats and will work as a "hive" and will have hypo variants wich will be like queens or alphas
yea like i said its a place holder
edgy pike
I mean the one with the levels
hazy ingot
got a updated one?
edgy pike
There haven't been any more merc concepts since that one, it's just it's really old
carmine marsh
that thing's known as the "Neurotenic Mastermind" to most community members, i believe it's referred to as "Echidna" in some of the old Olympus Transmitter tweets.
i believe it's meant to be a Neurotenic humanoid, similar to the Hyperendocrin colossus and Tissoplastic reaper.
most of this is from early 2018 though, lore plans may have changed since then.
opaque crane
This is for lore, not gameplay. It says it in the channel name
pseudo gate
I wanna be a ranger
But I guess those aren't gonna be a thing anymore
Well, unless there are different "classes" of mercenaries like there are different dinosaurs
snow flume
icy onyx
yea
its unknown if collossus is still a thing but im pr sure tissoplastic reaver cannon no nmore
slow delta
I was always suspicious of why we only had 1 colossus and echidna but 12 reapers
Maybe the tisso was more survivable for humans?
icy onyx
tisso was the mamalian kinda route
so pack hunting
iirc the original thing was hyper was reptillian and huge like godzilla kinda
neuro was fish and smart
and tisso was mammalian and stalking
digital vale
I remember somebody once mentioned that Echidna was "originally" a woman with cancer. Maybe Hyper and Neuro subjects had big death rate (Collossus must've came throught big deformation of body and skeleton to handle all the new muscle mass, and Echidna seems like she came throught a pretty painful transformation), or there were some rare "conditions" to actually transform them into these monsters ( -> cancer).
Also, I believe Tisso isn't scrapped, he is only going to be reworked/remade, a.k.a. he'l get new design and maybe little bit different lore.
icy onyx
Interesting
violet notch
does this conflict with the pc timeline?
violet notch
darn
vague dome
actually i remember there being reference to 2002
in operation inferno
thats actually really far back
not 1953 levels of way back
but certainly way back
summer helm
tbh I would be shocked if apollo's timeline did not extend at minimum 50 years
sullen hill
The Isle takes place in 1953???
How the hell did they have the technology to clone dinosaurs back then?
silk glen
It doesnt
grizzled dune
Read what para said
opaque crane
read like 6 messages up
grizzled dune
That and "Spera" got a lot of people
vocal violet
Maybe 1953 is when apollo got founded? But did not clone dinosaurs yet
opaque crane
that year literally doesnt mean anything paradym just told us it's just a sample mockup
mighty abyss
PC uses floppy disks, so it's not earlier than 1970's
icy onyx
Bag is a mooooooooooooooooockup.
I will likely coordinate with don in the future to hide lore related stuff in specific merch.
stark ibex
would it be things we aren't yet aware of, or like 'classified' lore
or just stuff we've seen peeks of before
icy onyx
Honestly, couldn't answer that question.
stark ibex
interesting
icy onyx
Might as well drop this here. 'Eternal witness' is a pretty wierd name for a role
and eternity seems to be one of the parts of the lore
icy onyx
Game can’t take place in 53
sand seal
A very long time.
icy onyx
Spas 12 is confirmed in the game, so the earliest would be 1979
stoic creek
Squints loudly
jade igloo
FIM-92 Stinger confirmed for mercs
sand seal
Thanks, Red. I hate it. Also stay on topic.
raven tree
yes sir
midnight lance
Okay, this might be nothing but I noticed whilst loading in words scattered in the logo such as 'real', 'fake', dream', 'why' and 'seek'
whether this is something already explained or something completely random I was wondering if anyone else noticed it and or knew anything about it
midnight lance
oh okay, is there any reasoning behind it yet or no?
icy onyx
We honestly... dont know much about the lore
most of what we know is on the pinned doc and website, feel free to read through it
midnight lance
oo, alri, will do
fading radish
I've seen it say somewhere that The Isle is like The Matrix or Assasins creed... A simulation
slow delta
In my opinion the majority of lore we have atm is nothing substantial, but more of an introduction to the planned story hence my characterisation of it as lore sauce. Basically it serves no purpose yet other than prettying up the future lore concepts.
tight isle
Honestly i dont know how to phrase this but
The isle would work really well with some king kong skull island lore or whatever the movies are called
Dinos have survived on an island free of humans
and have thrived
and then
we arrive
humans
and awaken the cannibals
im jsut saying
it would be neat but i dont want dondaddy to go get sued lol
limber rivet
Hmm that sound inte
ocean summit
eh, personally i would like the isle's lore to be unique, not some carbon copy of another story
quartz tusk
anyone familiar with morse? I got a bunch of stuff I need translating
its isle lore stuff
tag me if you are
or dm
eternal tide
Suicide is a big deal.
regal locust
How vague. Don, mentioned on stream just now that he's getting a tattoo called the "worship" icon, saying the line in the context of the replicator being mentioned that suicide is important.
woeful chasm
@quartz tusk I thought all the morse was translated
woeful chasm
If you read the doc in pinned chat i think they are in there
quartz tusk
I need help finding out stuff with morse (not translating it)
icy onyx
(What I think)
Suicide, for lore reasons, and as a mechanic, is inserted into the game like this....
Don mentioned awhile ago that you’ll be able to build temples (to the replicator) and either sacrifice others, or yourself. I believe the replicator is trying to get its hands on more knowledge. The replicator will achieve this by replicating the tribals, sending them out into the world, and having them come back after a sufficient amount of time. Once the tribal has collected a wealth of knowledge, they will sacrifice themselves (NOT simply killing themselves anywhere) at the temple. I believe what follows after this is the replicator taking your consciousness, extracting the information, and then putting it right back in your head.
That is my guess as to how it ties into the lore. How it ties into game mechanics? Well I have an idea for that too!
Dondi said there is only so much you can learn in one lifetime. One cycle you could say. Once this cycle is complete, you can move onto the next step after you’ve sufficiently pleased the replicator (remember, it DOES choose favorites)
I believe if you become ‘favorited’ you will move on to the next step... but that next step? Probably something cool like cannibals (formerly named).
But that’s just a theory. A Stan theory!
@woeful chasm I want you to read this btw
woeful chasm
I’d also be interested in if that overlaps with the consciousness in the dinosaurs and the elder system @icy onyx
icy onyx
Yeah I would like to know that as well.
edgy pike
That’s what I was thinking as well @icy onyx
Having it directly tied to the tribal progression system
Maybe you can unlock more cool shit each cycle
icy onyx
That’d be epic
edgy pike
There was that tweet back when transmissions where a thing about something happening on the 15th cycle
Although that’s gotta be a lot of playtime
If it was that to unlock the faceless bois
icy onyx
You guys are going to fucking lose your minds when I get the okay to start putting lore hints into merch.
pure gull
icy onyx
I look forward to it tbh
@edgy pike I can see how the 16th cycle could be cannibals
it would be a lot of effort getting to it but
I assume once you’ve got it, it’s unlocked for you.
a reason I believe it could be cannibals is that it says “the most basic and violent ideologies remained”
Tribals, while seemingly dumb, are going to be able to worship the replicator, build temples, weaponry, etc.
A cannibal cannot do this. It does sound like this tweet is referring to cannibals because of how feral they’ve become.
cannibals literally have animal instincts
^
so yea
seems to make sense
This all seems like it’s quite plausible
nice Stan theory 
vague dome
i'm still waiting for the influx of hints linking a conenctio between the in-game world and ours
slow delta
I wonder if we will have to purchase the merch to get those lore hints or if they will be viewable through the store. Also I feel like a book could work really well for telling part of the story and hiding lore hints inside.
slow delta
Yeah
light perch
https://youtu.be/pJa8w-i4BZI
Hope the baby denos are just as cute
mighty abyss
They sound delicious
digital vale
^ Wrong thread, this is for Lore Theories discussion.
vernal kiln
Dunno if this has been mentioned, probably has, but Dondi made mention of a way to cross to the other islands in game when Isla Spero and all that drops. Upon looking at the lore page website, mentions of the gateway being locked between 3 islands. There are (roughly) 3 islands on Isla Spero so maybe the gateway, whatever it may be, is the way between the islands and will be unlocked when the update is out. Just speculation
warped jolt
... imagine if we were dropped on an existing forest or savannah rather than our isolated island. 
ember flame
I think there might be a tunnel system that links to each island
and its all man made
warped jolt
Would be something trippy to see a Rex stalking a group of elephants, or raptors combatting a pride of lions
ember flame
wat
warped jolt
Nothing, just daydreaming through text lmao.
ember flame
oh
warped jolt
I’m imagining how a savannah map would go, and couldn’t help but picture elephants running from a Rex.
Which leads me to wonder if we may ever see any desert/savannah maps in the future
vernal kiln
Dondi did confirm caves were gonna be a thing but I don't know if they'll connect. The way he said on stream that there was a way to cross to other islands implied something a bit more complicated then just walking a tunnel. But maybe.
ember flame
This pic could indicate that there is a underground highway that was once used for transportation?
icy onyx
Oooh that would be awesome
vernal kiln
It just seems really convenient that something called "The Gateway" has been locked for some time now. Maybe the gateway is the access to man made tunnels though
warped jolt
Well, if the new map has any railroad entrances, we’ll know what’s up.
ember flame
true
vernal kiln
And if there's any weird, unexplained, teleporter we'll know too 👀
Joking aside a cave transport system is a lot more realistic and grounded which suits the isle better.
warped jolt
So I’m vaguely new to the isle lore. Any videos, pointers, or descriptions anyone can give me of what we know so far?
I know about the Streins.
vernal kiln
Check pins
warped jolt
Thanks
vernal kiln
That's where I was referencing the Gateway stuff from lol
warped jolt
Yeee
vernal kiln
I wonder if the Mercs are people hired by apollo engineering to attempt to recover data from the sites.
warped jolt
Sorry to go off track, but was Anth joking when he said we’d get spawned in by airdrop?
vernal kiln
Its something that's been tossed around quite a bit. I don't know if its confirmed.
warped jolt
It sounds like a very not-good idea compared to washing up on shore in a crate Madagascar style
Being airdropped makes you very exposed, and seems a little awkward, but I’m sure we’ll get something good.
vernal kiln
I'd actually prefer air drop and Dondi mentioned I think that if they did do that, as long as you didn't sit right next to your crate you would be able to get away from anything coming to look for you.
warped jolt
Hmm
digital vale
That picture with Utah is quite old, the tunnels might or might not be "canon" in the end. Also, that Gateway - there was somewhere mentioned you need to follow the North Star to get there. I don't have the new map saved, but if there is some free space around the northern part, maybe it is + - the Gateway's location. But to be fair, this isn't quite lore related, so I suggest to go with this topic to Discussion.
icy onyx
so hypo and neuro are still "canon" right
but no new news on if any tisso rebrand has been presented
shame, i was most exited for the original tisso but
tranquil galleon
The gateway is lore related lol
magic swift
mmm
coarse scaffold
br
digital vale
Meant the airdrop thing, not the Gateway, but nvm. Apologize if it wasn't much clear, I have terrible English.
hazy ingot
i think that tunnel in that piture is the entrance to a major base
dr autist posted it just above
rose quarry
UNDERWATER L A B S
edgy pike
Underwater lab Pog
regal locust
¯_(ツ)_/¯
https://clips.twitch.tv/BillowingSuaveClipsdadTheRinger
https://clips.twitch.tv/DeterminedCrowdedJellyfishHoneyBadger
Might be interested in these two as well.
silent hemlock
Are these from today?
regal locust
No, they're from awhile ago. Like I said, most lore nerds already know about this stuff since we've seen and heard of this before.
graceful rock
would be cool thought to have aqautic dinos since the new map has ilands and the distance between them is huge as well so would make it more intence
edgy pike
Matriarch apparently being able to eat everything
regal locust
So, we're moving away from "limb forest" matriarch to a "evolving" matriarch. Woo.
eternal tide
Assume it's tapwings from the description
"starts as small theropod, grows bigger and evolves"
regal locust
^
fathom carbon
fathom carbon
❤️
hushed grove
:(
fathom carbon
hey we got two different frames, now we can overanalyse em both
barren kelp
ohoho!
shut cedar
shut remnant
oh there's a third one
barren kelp
That totally doesn't look familiar
keen linden
magna rex escaping the lab?
shut remnant
bets on how many times it will be posted in 10 minutes
shut cedar
hmmm
stark yoke
A L L F A T H E R is back
keen linden
PC reference without a doubt
cinder hound
https://youtu.be/eJ-2cYYARR8?t=9s
For those who don't know what exactly is going on here, by the looks of it this is a continuation of the trailer scene, since we've already seen this lab in engine on another stream, plus the layout matches up.
ornate flower
the layout certainly matches. though the Rex is updated a lot, so i wasn't sure it was this guy
shut cedar
I was about to say that the rex model looked a bit off
regal radish
Magna Rex indeed, at least it's exactly what it looks like to me
edgy pike
Oh yeah the tribal replicator thing was mentioned to be similar to the elder system
An example was a 9ft tall bloke with a spear
@icy onyx we were sort of right
icy onyx
I had a sneaking suspicion that the replicating stuff was different from the elder stuff as I don’t see dinosaurs making sacrifices
edgy pike
Oh well yeah I doubt the tribals are gonna go old and grey and then “schmeememee”
I hope we get drums and shit
To make ooga booga sacrifices that much cooler
icy onyx
@regal radish remember that Dondi was a dev for Primal Carnage at one point that's what I heard Anthomnia said this on one of his videos btw
craggy garden
Recall that during the livestream of the strain trees that Dondi stated tribals would want to sacrifice themselves for some reason
Perhaps related, give yourself to the replicator/machine they worship and if you have done much be reborn as something greater
regal radish
@icy onyx I mean, Magna rex was based or inspired of the PC Rex, so theorically, if it remotely ressemble the PC rex, it's the Magna Rex
icy onyx
I know
vague dome
alpha it is littearly the pc rex
dondi confirmed magna rex and the pc rex were the same thing
mighty abyss
Essentially the perfected animal
raven tree
thats news to mee 
supple dome
Every since its name and classification number was leaked ages ago
raven tree
sorry im regardted
cinder hound
To be fair, there's still alot of confusion about the whole thing due to the years of denial.
supple dome
That was due to legal stuff I believe
cinder hound
Of course
But the whole situation through the past...two years, I believe. Was rather messy
supple dome
But ever since that tweet from don a couple months back about promises and such they never actually denied it
cinder hound
Atleast, within this channel it was.
supple dome
People always get shite muddled up in here lol
cinder hound
@supple dome True, but there were still plenty of people who took the initial word on it, and went waaaay too far.
supple dome
Aye they bloody well did
Also I'm assuming you were in stream bud?
If so did you notice the screen cap of the Magna rex in the lab? I think the model might have been touched up
Or the skin was at least
cinder hound
Course I noticed, I was the one who asked the question.
supple dome
Oh bloody hell
cinder hound
Also scroll up a little ways up, said my peace on it.
supple dome
Ahhh thanks XD sorry bout that
Either way I'm excited for it
Always loved that thing
regal radish
I'm really eager to see more lore things linking Apollo Engineering and Phoenix Corporation in the future ^^
acoustic pine
Did anyone translate the Morse code played at the beginning of the stream?
maiden parrot
Also can i ask since this has been bugging me a while
Someone said in here juvies are just dinos that escaped, right? So what are ai? Are they escapees too, or are they on the island for some other reason?
orchid heron
Wait so if the PC rex is in the photo does that mean they are doing something soon with the manga rex?
minor ore
i feel like the magna's been remodeled.
acoustic pine
Or getting genuine PC Roars and Skins Pattern and stuff but yah I could see a model edit to make it litterally the the PC Rex just in HD
minor ore
the neck looks a little too bulky to be the PC rex directly.
but the old magna doesnt have as thick of a neck as this one in the glitchy photo does
acoustic pine
Has the snout been shortened?
minor ore
i think so.
acoustic pine
And osteodorms have definitely been made smaller
minor ore
more rounded, looking a little more like a JP rex with the big wide round snoot.
hide looks a bit smoother overall.
minor ore
the neck right behind the ridges of the brows is also a lot thicker than the other models
acoustic pine
With the red and black around the eye
acoustic pine
I wouldn't say remodel, I'd say more or less touched up and edited
But yah did anyone decode the Morse code at the beggining of the stream or no?
raven tree
if its dev only im gonna yell
minor ore
im sure for now at least, whatever it is, its going to be a dev only creature for a long while.
sharp island
I wish I knew Morse Code otherwise I’d translate it
digital vale
Looks like Big Daddy was coming towards the "other doors"
minor ore
huh...
orchid heron
Y̸̩̖o̴̟͓ṵ̸̢̧ ̸̰̒ņ̷͔̰ë̴̩́v̶̨̮è̵͚̫r̴̨͓ ̴̠̰s̶̢̙ḁ̵̧̈w̵̗̭ ̵̖̥t̵͍́h̴͎̙e̴̮̋ ̴̡̧o̵̫̬t̷̞̟ḧ̷̘̺e̷̛̜r̵̩͎ ̸̨̧s̷͍̿ì̵̦̻d̶̪̙ȇ̵̼̯ ̷̻̥ő̴̬̤f̶̝̜ ̶̧̢t̸̺̽h̸͎͑e̴̺̼ ̶̨̀d̴̛͔ó̶̮͈o̵̱̻r̸͍̀.̷̟̬
remember
minor ore
ah yes thank you for that link i hadnt followed since my twitter account is relatively new
digital vale
No problem 🙂 there is also #transmissions
digital vale
Well, send the audio for us
minor ore
not sure. i dont know morse code.
orchid heron
idk where it is
minor ore
hold on i got it
digital vale
I was sleeping during the stream and now it's not accesable for "normal watchers".
digital vale
Bless you 🙏
minor ore
too fast for me to tell what is long and short rn.
echo gazelle
pretty sure he just pressed random notes
orchid heron
that was a bleep out
minor ore
i think so too tbh but who knows
orchid heron
im talking about todays stream in the beginning
minor ore
i was a few minutes late.
not sure if i heard it.
by the time i joined they were already playing music.
minor ore
yeah im not sure. :T
echo gazelle
Well I'm pretty certain it's nothing, just spammed some stuff probably 2 letters from the sounds of it
orchid heron
no something diff in the very beginning of todays stream it was a good 8 secs
digital vale
Sadly it's only now accesable for Subscribers, but maybe Ravenous will post it in his daily video
orchid heron
no im a sub and still cant hear it
echo gazelle
there's muted sections which is probably where it was
orchid heron
yeah
orchid heron
hmm maybe we could juice it out of the devs some time lol
minor ore
oh
yo
so this door
sure is shaped a lot like the PC door in that trailer.
the four lights and all.
regal locust
It's the same door.
icy onyx
@minor ore yep we already know its the same door. But gj noticing
minor ore
yeah its just interesting seeing all the dots slowly slide into place after the last couple of years is all.
echo gazelle
It still makes me itch about this whole "after a certain time things get weird" thing dondi always says, like in the stream he talks about something from Avatar coming out and piking you, makes me wonder if they bought george's concept of the 7ft cannibal
minor ore
oh they definitely did. unga bunga stick boys
echo gazelle
yeah this is probs 9ft or something but Generation 2? idk
digital vale
Hmm... do we actually have any information what happened to Big Daddy (that PC Rex) at the end? Like, some transmissions "Subject Big Daddy - eliminated"
orchid heron
yeah dems are scurry
vague dome
big daddy is refered to as all father by AE
he was elimnated during operation inferno
icy onyx
wasnt all-father secured
digital vale
Hm, really? I thought Big Daddy the original Rex, and all other PC Rexes are only his clones?
echo gazelle
Essentially it was the PC Rex you played in PC without the chain on the ankle like in the genesis trailer, I have a screen cap somewhere of dinosauriac talking about it
that thread was on PC's steam I believe, forgot who capped it but yeah that was the idea ig of big dad but idk what's relevant nowadays
minor ore
digital vale
So, is there any mention in transmissions specifically of Big Daddy, not All Father? (Sorry, I cannot check for it rn, but every info could help us with what is behind the doors)
minor ore
not on olympus.
i think magna's behind those doors.
at least from what that that glitchy screenshot don shared can tell us anyway.
i do genuinely think magna is going to get remodeled since it is years old at this rate. i know they wanna redo the hypo rex since it's mouth doesnt split.
digital vale
Wasn't Magna also one of the PC Rex's skins? I believe it was named Scorched, Scarred, or something like that.
minor ore
im not sure actually...
digital vale
I think I found it, but I'm not sure if it's the right one (I have currently terrible internet connection), it's called Battle Scarred.
tranquil galleon
Magna is the default skin
eager chasm
yes
icy onyx
@minor ore Pretty sure dondi specifically said he doesn’t want the Hypo Rexs mouth to split.
minor ore
i just know he wants to remodel it regardless since it’s so old. hypo spino’s gonna be the same, idk about giga but with the new logo i think it might get one too.
opaque crane
Hyper rex is just getting model touch ups, not an entire remodel
tranquil galleon
hypo spino isn't old
i don't expect any model changes
but this topic isn't particularly lore related so
upbeat urchin
In one of Dondi streams he mentioned a underwater lab. And during a QA he said he wanted dinosaurs to come in a crate from the sky kinda like predator. So I was wondering, Port. Port is by the water so what if they’re (humans?) getting the dinosaurs when they drop out of the sky and shipping them somewhere to a underwater base?
Maybe to mutate them into hypos or other strains. Or maybe it’s Phenoix Corp dropping the dinos and AE getting the dinos from the sky and shipping them off to be mutated.
And in PCE there is a dock map sooo.
minor ore
somewhere it was stated that apparently Apollo ended up stealing an important asset from Phoenix.
like you know how in jurassic park theres always those assholes hired by ingen's rivals to steal things from them?
i think that's the merc's job, possibly, but since dondi mentioned wanting mercs to wake up plummeting to the jungle floor, i think a possibly airplane malfunction?
almost as if they were sent on a mission to isla spero as a retrieval mission.
dont know if he was wanting to go with that or the idea of the mercs being the guys trying to steal something first. or if that's even what's being implied here.
there's always a chance he can retcon some of the story and tweak it.
placid harness
So it's been said that the replicator has favorites. Suicide, i.e. sacrificing yourself may effect the gameplay for you or the server at large. We know the replicator craves information like a crackhead. If tribals are able to sacrifice and receive benefits, perhaps dinosaurs could too, maybe even in a similar way.
If tribals act like good boys and give the replicator what it wants by sacrificing their multiple lives of information, it could reward them by basically making them its henchmen or test subjects, aka the "cannibal" things. (Stan helped me believe this one. Credit to him)
Maybe if dinosaurs do the same thing, like reaching elder stage but sacrificing themselves before natural death, perhaps multiple times, they could achieve the state of becoming one of the strains.
But what if you don't comply with the replicator's demands? What if you are not a fan of this endless cycle of life and death? What if you seek knowledge not for it, but for yourself and others?
Let's say you seek forbidden knowledge, in whatever form that is, that predates AE. Maybe from the mysterious Phoenix organization which seems to have a hand in the origin of all this Isla Spero madness. Maybe you can find something that can help you and the trapped denizens of the island fight back.
That's where the Magna dinosaurs come in. Not hardwired to be under what is essentially a machine god's control, they are truly free, created by a different faction entirely. They are the beginning of a resistance.
If this were the case, I don't believe the replicator would be very pleased. I'd posit it'd send its own goons after you, in an attempt to keep testing you and simultaneously suppressing you.
That's just a theory.
placid harness
Thanks dude. Part of me really hopes it's something like this.
vague dome
i'm still firmly in the camp that this is all a meta narrative involving the players acting out ae's plan
digital vale
@placid harness honestly, you have one of the most interesting theories I've ever seen in this thread, really. I'l have my fingers crossed in a hope your theories are at least liiiiiitle bit right.
placid harness
My fingers are crossed too.
jovial eagle
what does ae stand for again?
icy onyx
Apollo Engineering
icy onyx
So are apollo engineering and phoenix international rival companies?
wraith nova
Yes and kinda no. They were in past, than AE bought PI. Not entirely sure if operation inferno took place after or before PI being bought.
steady ravine
Isn't phoenix international a war company ? And AE an medical one ?
opaque crane
I dont think we know exactly what Apollo is doing
wraith nova
Phoenix is no more, AE bought it. Also it's not a problem.
steady ravine
Well AE have the Caduceus staff as a symbol sooooooo....
wraith nova
That staff that everyone takes for medical symbol is Apollo's staff. Asclepius is god of medicine
high heath
PC had enough money to buy Mercs and send them all over the island. You gotta be into some serious military stuff if you own area like that.
sinful void
Apollo is probably just like Umbrella, except with dinos and mutants instead of viruses that turn people into monsters
And just like Umbrella they've lost control and the mercenaries are there to cover it up or regain control and maybe prevent their rivals from getting a hold of their research
wraith nova
AE intentions isn't clear. We don't know for 100% it's medical company. PI was military, dinos were geneticaly changed into weapon
I would make theories about mercenaries when they officialy show up and there be more lore related to what they do
sinful void
I didn't play Primal Carnage, but I am guessing whatever happened in its story caused PI to go bankrupt leading to AE buying it out and continuing their research
And then a major incident happened which caused them to lose control of the Isle and the surrounding islands to the dinosaurs
vague dome
AE is still in control
nothing has happened at all
we are just in the middle of their latest operation
steady ravine
If I'm not mistaken the events of PC have been caused by the creation of the first magna rex with the help of a technology stolen from AE they couldn't maintain it captive and it caused a massive out break
wraith nova
As far as we know, which isn't much, islands never went inti chais and all that derelict buildings are just part of test enviroment
sinful void
Well that is what I was assuming with all the abandoned buildings
Also I'd like to know why there is a random railroading crossing light at the port
icy onyx
I love reading this channel.
steady ravine
Para !
sinful void
Although there is no sign of there being a railroad
steady ravine
Wanna help us a little here 😉
icy onyx
You guys know more about the lore than I do. 🙂
steady ravine
Yes but you know things we don't 😛
vague dome
want to hear my alex jones theory para
sinful void
Maybe the Isle is just a really messed up version of Survivor being ran by AE to advertise its creations to potential buyers
wraith nova
Raven you messed a little with corporations 😂 AE stole things from PI which lead to creating magna rex.
vague dome
not like any of these company politics matter outside of the meta narrative the isle is making
wraith nova
But knowing at last some of those politics would help putting together some lore puzzle
steady ravine
So do we know who created the strains and where does the Matriarch came from ?
sinful void
I am guessing AE
wraith nova
Matriarch isn't in game, beside some loading screen mentioning it. It was created by AE scientist. Strains? Who knows, either man made or they found it somewhere and test it out.
sinful void
AE likely created the strains as part of an effort to give dinosaurs more useful military applications or create living weapons similar to Umbrella in the RE Franchise.
celest hinge
Is there a document of all the lore we have so far?
fading scroll
I was just about to ask similar, just dropping in, I know very little about the lore but I’m eager to learn a bit, heres what I’ve gathered so far myself:
- obviously some kind of scifi universe and likely set in the future
- The sky seems to reorganize itself occasionally in a synthetic way, perhaps everything is a simulation?
- Loading screens hint towards it all being fake, an illusion.
- I ventured to the Bunkers, and my screen started yeeting out on me with pinkish/green glitches. Breach in the simulation?
- I can only guess as to why these buildings are abandoned. In fact, if this world is truelly a simulation as I think, why are there human bunkers at all? Maybe it’s instead a giant holodeck and the dinosaurs and humans are/were real?
Am I on the right track? What other significant things do we know/what am I wrong about?
sinful void
"Gateway Containment Failure"
sinful void
Maybe some kind of time portal similar to that one series where Earth was sending colonists into the past to rebuild human civilization
opaque crane
Well the human stuff is because humans existed on the island actively and were running experiments and the glitches originally existed to push players away because theyre unfinished or idk some shit like that. I also heard something about chips that spawned dinosaurs had that caused it and nested dinosaurs werent gonna have them
I dont see a time portal as what's jappening here.
The sky stuff might mean something but we have to see how the sky looks post-recode
fading scroll
Any ideas on why the sky does this weird shifting movement? I could totally see it as just a cool effect added that has no significance but I’m still curious. It is fairly unique.
vague dome
or prehaps a time yet to come
fading scroll
oh sorry
sinful void
Also there is mentions of a Electromagnetic flucation and seismic activity
steady ravine
The time yet to come....
sinful void
Electromagnetic flucation = EMP?
steady ravine
What about Echidna in all of this ?
Isn't she is supposed to try to take control on whatever she can ?
opaque crane
The sky might be on purpose or it might just be whatever thing theyre using for the sky in the game currently
If it persists it's on purpose. If not it was just the old sky
vague dome
everything involving echinda is kinda fuzzy
we know that the replicator uses the same nuerotenic connects the strains do
(hence why the nuero spino can control the weather, by tapping into the islands reality manipulation tools)
why it uses them is unknown
probably to connect it's vast network of minds it has
echinda could have limited control over this network
but it's too early to tell
fading scroll
So there’s some kind of ARG going on over on twitter huh 🤔
icy onyx
Yeah but it has been silent for awhile because Olympus Transmitter is down
(down in the lore I mean)
sharp frigate
fading scroll
interesting
vague dome
i'm gonna go have another crack at continuing the arg with the whole trojan thing after the recode
steady ravine
Phoenix International PI and Apollo Engineering AE
shut ore
Which one is the ,,We messed up and need to vanish our misstakes from media'' Company?
steady ravine
PI is the one that let their dino escape and we don't really know about the social status of AE
shut ore
I think A E was hired for creating them maybe?
But the name is on the Water bottles of the merc.. atleast the merch says it.
steady ravine
Well as far as we know the mercs were employed by AE
shut ore
So Merc are another different Organisation?
opaque crane
Mercenaries are generally just for-hire people they dont necessarily have organizations
shut ore
I remember Jurassic Park II
But how did Tribals get on the Island, i mean not the Shrek like ogres, The Human ones.
steady ravine
We don't even know if there is something like "the human ones"
opaque crane
The tribals are the fucked up ogres
shut ore
Ah so the human "tribal models" are just placeholders?
opaque crane
The old models were just bought for testing
shut ore
Cuz i remember to see a normal looking women with blue paint and a bow
steady ravine
no that's old
opaque crane
Yeah that was just some storebought stuff. Doesnt mean anything
shut ore
Ah so there are no ,,normal humans" as tribals. There are just the igres which mutate into cannibals.
steady ravine
basically yeah
opaque crane
Eh the tribals and cannibals are the same thing technically. The eyeless, lanky creatures have no name or known way of being achieved
icy onyx
^
opaque crane
This video explains it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEFXKJPx35Q
icy onyx
TLDR;
The previously named 'cannibals' are now nameless to us. Not to say there isn't a name for them Dondi hasn't come up with
The tribals are now named 'cannibals'. This does not make them the eyeless guys.
😄
For anyone confused
steady ravine
TLDR
Shit is confusing
shut ore
What do you think, was the point to do that all? What did they want to achieve with creating dinosaurs? Cause everything you develop must have a profit or something better?
steady ravine
My guess is they don't really want to make dinosaurs in particular t was just a way to see what they could do and it morphed when they saw the result of their experiment
opaque crane
War, household shit, entertainment parks, genetic experimentation, seeing just how far you could bend an animal until it stops being said animal, how mucn you can do to a human before it's no longer human, seeing how far back they could go to recreate these animals
echo gazelle
We Succeed Where Nature Fails
opaque crane
Could be anything really
steady ravine
Then we failed at containing the shit we previously created
opaque crane
The people here are doing incredibly fucked up shit and horribly unsafe and inhumane scientific practices.
I dunno, theres no actual references to adam and eve. It mostly seems to be greek stuff if anything
icy onyx
^
steady ravine
it was a JP reference mate
opaque crane
Well its been like 10 years since ive seen jurassic park so meh.
shut ore
Arent dinosaurs as weapon a little.. Useless?
icy onyx
not hypers
steady ravine
I mean....strains are the real weapons here the dino are just the containers
shut ore
But hypers were created as a misstake as i know?
opaque crane
Hypers can wipe out soldiers with no issue and would actively do so due to hunger
Mistakes can be turned into something purposeful
They clearly recreated their mistake multiple times
shut ore
But what advantage hypers have compared to modern weapons, like tanks or Helicopters?
steady ravine
As far as we know they were "planned"
not prepared for but planned
Can you reproduce tanks ?
near kite
the thing is we don't send infantry first into battle its mainly a coordination of combined weapons systems in combined arms tactics so i don't really see a hypo being effective
steady ravine
You do know that hypers are not the only strains right ?
shut ore
I guess the price for a hyper is even more expensive compared to basic tank..
vague dome
dondi clarified this long ago
shut ore
Ah yea there is neuro and Tisso strain?
steady ravine
Yup
sinful void
I can see dinosaurs being useful for....breaking up unwanted protests
steady ravine
Once again I thin we put to much thoughts into the dinos and not enough in the strains themselves
Who want godzilla in his army ? No one
Who want Captain america ?
upper island
how DARE you say that no one would want Godzilla in their army !?!?!?!??!
sinful void
Problem is how do you control a dinosaur?
upper island
you don't
steady ravine
^
upper island
let him do his thing, or just be the people from KOTM
steady ravine
I mean that's what PI tried to do and we all know how it ended
sinful void
Then why create something you can't control? Particularly a dino that can create a EMP and changes weather.
covert robin
iv got some deep lore theoriesing for u guys rn
i think
when
canibles are added
they will
eat things
and i also know for a fact that phase too is gonna come
sinful void
Maybe the Natives are another of AE's experiments?
covert robin
big brain
steady ravine
This man speak the truth my friends !
icy onyx
On the "Dino's as weapons"
Dino's can be grown. Tanks can't.
Also, what's scarier as a shock and awe tool? Carno's sprinting down a street towards a checkpoint or someone rolling a humvee?
junior harbor
fringe sparrow
paradym lets be real animals are predictable humans are not
high heath
That's not true.
Humans are incredibly predictable. A wild animal could be wildly unpredictable.
hardy dove
guess what- we're all humans
grizzled dune
https://clips.twitch.tv/BigMoldyDinosaurKAPOW Aug 20 2018 stuff regarding dinos in a war
high heath
Worked with enough reptiles to know you can expect things, but animals can and will surprise you.
fringe sparrow
i know for sure a large carnivore will chase me and see me as prey but you dont know if a human is either going to run me over with humvee or be friends with me
high heath
If they have a humvee, expect the first.
Because they have better weapons and tech, so you are useless to them.
fringe sparrow
i also studied large carnivores i used to be a wildlife artist and i can predict what they can do over a human
high heath
Depends. I've worked with reptiles and they can be very unpredictable.
Very, very, very unpredictable
grim osprey
Is the taming element still being considered and how it will it work if a player “tames” a player Dino how would riding work
high heath
Wrong channel
fringe sparrow
okay back to the lore discussion
grim osprey
Well I mean on the lore side aswell
grim osprey
Like why is ae making Dino’s and riding them
icy onyx
and your carno is nothing but a red paste
grim osprey
Like they have cars
icy onyx
it isnt that hard to get a T-72 of a black market
and I would take 72 over any dino any time
72 can effectively engage enemy armour to up to 3km with normal rounds, 5km with atgms in perfect situation
so unless your dino is strong enough to squish a tank and has a hyperdrive that will allow it to literally teleport to your tank
patent barn
I think maybe dinos would be better as shock and awe than tanks, after all tanks dont eat you alive
high heath
Mind you, said dinosaurs have Human intelligence, so a gun is gonna do jack shit to someone who comes back bigger and better.
icy onyx
@high heath mind you
T-72 has a 125mm cannon
designed to destroy tanks
and its crewed by humans which have same intelligence
high heath
Right. A 125mm cannon...on an island full of trees, caves, monsters larger than even the Hyperendocrin, and plants big enough to eat Brachiosaurus.
Good idea. Hey, wanna sharpen your cannon, maybe the Colossus needs a tooth pick.
icy onyx
We are talking about war usage rn
and last time I checked
wars happen in areas like Iraq
@patent barn with shock and awe, according to Ullman and Wade (2 ppl that explained the strategy)
You need 4 things to successfuly pull off a shock and awe
near total or absolute knowledge and understanding of self, adversary, and environment;
rapidity and timeliness in application;
operational brilliance in execution; and
(near) total control and signature management of the entire operational environment.
the problem with dinos
no matter how smart they are
they are still a hard to control factor
immidietaly making 4th requirement null
rapidity requires your forces to follow plan exactly
again dinos are a big unknown on battlefield
patent barn
not so, if they have human minds they understand incentives and thus can follow orders
icy onyx
We dont even know if they kept their memory
yea you can be as intelligent as human
but if you dont know language/etc, that intelligence is wasted
even humans can have their mind degraded into primal status where their instincts prevail
and overall, shock and awe is really only deployable when you have superiority over enemy at all levels