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#isle-lore-theories
foggy mango
icy onyx
Its just a game mechanic but not a lore mechanic
ember flame
exactly
proper steppe
When you are not playing the game your profile is not currently active
foggy mango
Your entire argument is objectively discredited the moment you said "you do not know that"
That's a Red Herring argument and a logical fallacy
proper steppe
you're pulling a fallacy fallacy, then
foggy mango
Same as trying to discredit paleo knowledge with the time machine red Herring
ember flame
At this point we have no clue on what is cannon or not
proper steppe
nice, a strawman argument too
icy onyx
from lore standpoint it makes no sense, at when you dont play dino whilst having a alive dino on the island
It just dematerializes?
or what
ember flame
It goes away though when you log
proper steppe
What happens if you have not selected anything?
flint axle
you: logs out
dino: aight imma head out
flint axle
i don't think that we, LORE WISE control our dinosaur.
icy onyx
but yea, your dino just dissapears which makes no sense from lore point
ember flame
your dino disappear, your dino literally is gone from the world
flint axle
we are simply observing it
proper steppe
but nyar, what happens when you leave from a lore perspective
flint axle
The selection menu is us selecting a dinosaur to observe and watch over imo
ember flame
so your profile is inactive for the isle
proper steppe
I agree that the dino disappearing is just game mechanic
ember flame
I forgot is there still a computer keyboad on selection screen
proper steppe
But I think that you turning off your game might when you haven't selected a dinosaur is your profile just going inactive
it isn't doing anything, it isn't thinking, it isn't controlling, it's turning off and having whatever done to it that profiles get done to them
ember flame
I don't think its just observing, I think that the user actually controls the dinosaur to do things but the dinosaur doesn't know this.
proper steppe
i wouldn't be surprised if in the lore the dino just kept going along without the profile
ember flame
Basically
river marsh
I wonder if in future they might flicker out rather than just "poof" gone. It might explain if this is a simulation as expected or at least give a slight tell on what happens to the profile and it's flesh host on logout.
The fact that food and water is needed tells me that it is a biologically functioning animal supposedly. It's just controlled by a computerized entity of sorts. How, I have no clue.
feral agate
It's safe to assume thats a no
woeful chasm
@raw quest Please read the channel description, only serious theories on isle lore. :/
eternal tide
Are there any strains with powers like this? (Like Neuros?)
Or do we not know
Iirc Neurotenic strains do have the ability to speak with any species, EMP powers, and Kinetic powers
nimble flare
What is the context of that taco morph statement?
woeful chasm
meh I doubt it
white sparrow
People were joking and Bryan just came in and was like "I can do that for shits n giggles"
eternal tide
Here's the context of the statement.
But in theory, if a strain could transform/disguise itself as other animals visually that would be fucking sick
I know Neuros already had powers relating to illusory-esque abilities (telekinesis, EMP, blindness in nearby animals, and communication with other species) so I wasn't sure if visual disguises were also a part of their ability pool
Then again we know nothing about the new tissoplastic strain so
last latch
What if the type-n spino was made to destroy the dinosaurs because it was made by humans
icy onyx
@last latch Really doubt that as well AE is doing research on all dinosaurs
iirc trying to find the perfect organism
wraith nova
Short story: everything on isle is made by humans
sturdy helm
I think you mean mole people, don't worry about your mistake
high heath
Since Cannibals are so good at climbing, perhaps whatever turns them into Cannibals comes from the caves running through the islands?
last latch
What about the noises at the bird cage that Anthomnia went to in his video were he heard a big cannibal noise
Just the bird cage in general were the noises happen at
woeful chasm
it was said those are just structural noises
last latch
But does it have a meaning
oak pumice
they were the ambient noises in the redwoods before the map changed
now they're in aviary
icy onyx
The Isle and Primal Carnage going through the same universe ?
barren kelp
quite possibly, yes!
icy onyx
Same Devs or they are friends like ?
icy onyx
iirc Dondi worked on primal carnage
carmine marsh
quite a few of the devs did
i think dinosauriac worked on the newest update, could be wrong though i didn't really look too far into it.
high heath
Newest update was pretty good
Also, if PC and TI are the same universe, then Dilophosaurus having venom makes sense.
high heath
Yeah
shell badger
i wonder if there going to add that i mean i dont think but wat if they did
it would be game breaking
dilos are already op
bleak shore
dilos already have "venom" its just wrangled into the explanation for their incredibly high bleed damg output
icy onyx
Well, dilo seems to have whats an anti-coagulant venom.
high heath
I wonder if any other venomous animals are planned
Like that Komodo Dragon relative...what was it called again?
quartz sundial
megalania
high heath
Wasn't that animal planned? And, if it was planned, what does AE have to gain for cloning such a big, venomous animal?
quartz sundial
not rly a convo for isle theories
mighty abyss
slowly replace the population of Komodo Dragons with Megalania
silver current
desert mountain
Dondi didn't said the only reason we have the isle is because of trepasser?
icy onyx
@silver current serious lore theories please
high heath
What kind of operation was AE running?
fresh willow
Who's the CEO of AE? Juan Hammond?
twin vale
ah yes, i remember him from that documentary film by Senor Spielbergo
icy onyx
Did y'all read the book about him by don Michaelo Crichtone?
woeful chasm
Probably getting offtopic now
woeful chasm
@rugged creek did you mean to post in suggestions?
high heath
True, AE could be trying to protect their stuff
I assume it'll be the Masrani vs InGen situation
dusk axle
Or maybe they are just ecperimentong with something way beyon and having dinosaurs and so is just a cover to something more sinister, or of the occult
icy onyx
is it me or does this look like a genetic hybrid between a rooster and some other things
the head feathers look like that one tropical bird
it flashes its long head feathers around n' stuff
loud river
Makes me think of an oro and dryo that got wasted, had a one night stand, and their child had some issues
Though I do wonder how it ties into lore
Is it something that was geentically engineered to be "different?"
I mean, Idk anything that looks like that tbh
dire seal
is this thing confirmed art? Honestly it looks like a Taco skin to me
loud river
Ye, it'll be in game
I'm too lazy to look but it is actual concept art
I'm just super curious as to where it ties into lore, bc there's nothing I can find that looks like that 
dire seal
do we know if it is going to be a separate critter from taco or what?
loud river
It aint a taco
Though I would ask that in #401464048610312195 since this is theory channel
woeful chasm
None of this is #isle-lore-theories related at all
dire seal
More on what that thing is made out of, I see nothing anything like a rooster. To me it looks liek tehy slapped different birds of paradise together onto an Oro/Taco
found it's eyelashes
icy onyx
I mean, few people like @gilded onyx were trying out what it is iirc
woeful chasm
Right but this is for theories on lore
dire seal
Is there any theories about why AE or whoever started making dinosaurs was doing this? Like was it "Weaponization" or something
feral agate
My theory is either:
1- For science
2- Some supernatural reason with the replicator and what not
3- The CEO just really likes dinosaurs
dire seal
I feel like number 3 would be the reason anything like this would happen IRL, but 1 is more likely. I have no idea about this "replicator" so I can't comment on 2
feral agate
What i know is that the replicator is some kind of machine ran by an AI that can, apparently, transfer consciousness from one body to another, allowing people to cheat death, or something.
Someone can probably explain better.
high heath
I mean, if you could clone dinosaurs, wouldn't you do it?
lilac barn
Hell nah I would never ^
high heath
I'd do it.
neat thunder
Depends on what your cloning
queen shale
I like the idea of the people having their intellect and personality transferred over to dinosaur bodies.
icy onyx
^Don't know about that one...
Id clone like a scavenger dinosaur so it doesn't really do anything i guess
icy onyx
Guys I have an Idea Listen up
Whta if the Dinos on the Isle
Are genetically engineered
like they have other animals DNA
thats why some of them don't contain Feathers
and are kinda different from the fossils they come from
icy onyx
why not just make 1 sentence
frosty meteor
has anyone heard a plane fly over in game at certain points of the day?
frosty meteor
like a passanger/cargo plane and midday and like central lake to dump around there
dire seal
I've heard plane noises at radio tower as a pue (V3)
frosty meteor
ok im just making sure im not going crazy
echo gazelle
@frosty meteor I've heard that noise as well as many others. It's specualted to be a plane of some sort but dinosauriac pointed out that it's just the wind. I also have footage of it which it clearly sounds like something mechanical but it can be something internal perhaps with the sound system.
edgy pike
Sounds like that effect you get when two identical sounds play at the same time
frosty meteor
idk it sounds far to mechanical for them to just leave in the sound system
echo gazelle
There's been separate occasions where the noise will be a lot louder or sound more piercing but my bet is it's just a problem internally. Doubt they would give us something like that purposely without revealing some background.
dire seal
that's not the sound I heard. The one I heard is the actual rolling sound airplanes make
echo gazelle
Well, capturing footage of it would be nice. If it's possible for you. I think I know which sound you speak of but idk, it's all too early to be adding in aerial noises of planes and such.
frosty meteor
i will try to keep an ear out for it next time
echo gazelle
I normally record every time I play but yeah whatever works for ya'll
frosty meteor
well i usually have my obs running and both just making the game skiddish
smoky pagoda
reeeeeeeeeeeeee
high heath
Anyone else notice that there are no water strains?
frail grove
Yet 
radiant tiger
hyper mosa crawls onto land in search of prey
slow delta
well aquatic strains would be really hard to contain, control and monitor
and it makes sense for AE to not do strains outside of land dinosaurs after the Hyper Alfie escape as well
loud river
Unless they tried to make extremely intelligent strains for oceanic weapons. Like extreme dolphins 😂
Minus the weapon part
slow delta
The area needed for an aquatic animal is significantly larger compared to the area of a similarly sized land creature. This problem only worsens if you make the aquatic a larger and hyperactive strain. With Hyper Alfie and other possible flyer strains, that problem is negligible.
icy onyx
After an aquatic breakout, it would be a lot harder to find that flyer strain too. The second it would escape, hope of recontainment would be... almost 0%
slow delta
For a rogue flyer strain you could anticipate it's flight path, use satellites, trackers, places it might need to land, eat, breed etc
But a rogue aquatic would be nigh impossible to even find, let alone recontain
icy onyx
We dont even have ocean really that mapped
slow delta
yeah
slow delta
additionally a rogue aquatic strain might simply die off due to not finding enough food
or freeze due to it being a giant exotherm in a dark cold ocean
high heath
Didn't Dondi want a flying strain?
icy onyx
I mean, Hyper alfie is a thing in lore
hallow fable
I got a question. What's the goal with resurrecting dinosaurs and possible extinct hominids? If you don't mind me referencing JP. Ingen wanted a zoo, Biosyn being a rival of said zoo, jw went into weaponization. What's the goal? Tourism, bug game hunting, exhibition?
feral agate
I've said it 2-3 times, and i'll say it again:
The CEO just really likes dinosaurs
hallow fable
So did Hammond and he had a clear goal.
feral agate
my theory is: some people in the company are doing some ''sentience'' based science in an almost, if not totally, cultist-like manner. The CEO agreed as long as they make dinos out of it
hallow fable
Fair.
feral agate
only dondi himself can make me change my mind on that
hallow fable
Why is cenozoic or Paleozoic creatures taboo then? I can see Carboniferous period animals being complicated because of the oxygen levels of now.
feral agate
Apollo Engineering CEO: ''Cuz dinos are cooler.''
and maybe something to do with who is making the dinos
hallow fable
Is the cannibal an alternate hominid or troodon sapien gone feral?
icy onyx
we have no idea what cannibal really is
feral agate
cannibals are now the tribals, the ugly ass orc bois. the blind thing is probably being redone, but it seems to be a human, or at least has some human dna
hallow fable
Is Apollo corporation attempting immortality?
high heath
Cloning dinosaurs...for immortality.
feral agate
again, some of the scientists are doing some weird shit, the CEO agreed as long as they also make dinos, win-win in his view
arctic anchor
Everything dino: G O O D
hallow fable
One lore video said that human consciousness was being uploaded to dinosaurs and hominids.
Each death and respawn the consciousness is reused. Even with accelerated growth and reproduction cycles of the assets the consciousness isn't lost. Also explains the rapid learning curve from hopping between species and herbivore to carnivore.
icy onyx
We dont really know why they are cloning dinos tbh.
hallow fable
Also why cause dinosaurs are cool got really old as an defense, literally the second time it was invoked.
barren kelp
on the topic of why, i'd say they take after aperture science and have the same "because we can" attitude.
fluid zealot
Hey everybody, I'm kinda new and I've had a theory in regards to the colossal skeletons strewn across the map.
Now this is only a hypothesis, however bear with me here. I believe that these "behemoths" are early attempts in demonstrating the Type-H Strain, possibly a less perfected incarnation.
rocky yacht
Could be.
fluid zealot
Precisely, it is possible it died because either it couldn't support itself physically and metabollically but also it could've been terminated by Apollo Engineering because, who would want a Godzilla-sized monster roaming about?
high heath
My question is why the plants change you into different forms?
Like, the type of plants that can change you, kill you, etc etc
prisma oasis
@fluid zealot perhaps the type-H from the first attempts never stopped growing
fluid zealot
Precisely
It is stated that some reptiles have the ability to continue growing but it depends on their environment and a number of factors
prisma oasis
yeah
prisma oasis
maybe
fluid zealot
Unlikely, in a video involving IGP and Dondi, Dondi stated it didn't die because it starved. It likely died because either the humans of the island killed it, or, it's legs collapsed from it's own weight. Heck, it's even possible that this thing got killed by another animalthat was the same size, hence the missing head, arms, legs, etc.
loud river
hmm... Maybe
fluid zealot
Truth be told, I dub this creature the Hypoendocrinosaurus, a genetically ambiguous species of dinosaur that could for all we know be a godzilla-sized hybrid
icy onyx
To be honest I would Love to have a dokotaraptor
slow delta
🤔
serene wadi
Which happens to be... Not a theory.
mighty abyss
here's a theory then: the hypo strain was originally meant to make the dinosaurs smaller, like with toy poodles or teacup pigs, so they could be sold as exclusive pets
the hardiness and durability of hypos made them a pet that would be suitable for any climate and easy to care for, like cats or dogs
unfortunately they got the sizing wrong and they became bigger
feral agate
well, from the start it was called the ''Hyperendocrine'' strain. hyper meaning greater, larger, etc. and endocrine having to do with growth, so they were meant to be big from the start
kind of want a cat sized oro ngl
loud river
Bro I would love a cat sized oro or dryo
But I dont think thats what the hypo strain was meant for
I mean
Unless they named it after they screwed it over lmfao
fluid zealot
Like I said earlier, that colossal skeleton was more likely the prototype sample of Hypoendocrine that went out of control
merry spear
Nova Neo Magna... forming new great mother.
Nova is creating something anew in stars cases. So reforming new great mother.
Te transmition before reads "gestating"
Also Magna refers to a goddess of fertility. Maybe its referencing DNA for a gen 2 strain. Or maybe its talking about the mother of the cannibals. Where they all came from. Where they came from and making a second easier to control version. I mean, Apollo seems to be very controling.
Forming New Great Mother.
merry spear
They are making a 2nd generation of Echidna, persay, possibly. They speak about rage twisting things, stripping a man down to nothing and rebuilding him anew. They speak about the children of Echidna, speaking of worship and stories of how thry came to be. Then it was thing on Neo or New. Gestating, Nova Neo Magna. Creating New Great Mother. Something failed and they are trying again. They are creating a failure on replicator. Echidna is the Replicator, they had freewill and lost control, Gen 2 is a second try on them ttying to gain control of something, wether it be Echidna, the strains, or just another dino. They are trying to make up for some form or experiment, or trying to make a 2.0.
Great Mother could be talking about the mother of the strains and the cannibals, DNA... Maybe the some dino they used as a building block to create something else, Magna rex or something. Someone else got any ideas?
DM if need be... I'm bored and open for discussion.
wraith nova
Magna is perfected Hypo. Echidna is most likely hidding somewhere but could be dead, there's no enought info to be 100% sure about either of those options. Replicator is AI controlling some part of system, might be whole system, again not enought info to be 100% sure. Nova probsbly refers to novaraptor from PC. Neo could refer to dinos as whole, basing on different generations of certain species and fact their look changed between generations to look more like what dinos should look.
Highly doubt those three worlds should be read as one sentence, it's probably three separate eords.
Also gen 2 means nothing more than they tried to perfect species. AE is trying to achieve perfect organism after all
fluid zealot
I honestly believe that the Magna was created to counter the Hypoendocrin strain, being Magnas are one of the few non-Hypo dinosaurs capable of killing a Hypo . a failsafe if you will.
torpid ivy
they are creating the dinos for war thats why they are mutating them and changing them :p just like INGEN in JP
icy onyx
nah dinos are totally not good for war
literally any modern weapon is much more effective than a dino
south pasture
Tank shell into a Rex
icy onyx
I mean, what would win? A big lizard or a shell from a 3rd gen+ tank?
south pasture
I mean depends on the size of said lizard
Godzilla wouldn’t be affected but bye bye Rex
icy onyx
I mean, yea
well if tank shell isnt enough, just load up USS Missouri
9x 406mm main cannon, 12x 127mm, 32x Tomahawks, 16x Harpoons and 4 CIWS's
I mean, 1.2 tons of anti ship missile can do some damage
radiant tiger
Well the hypos could be for war
Gut thats basically it
But*
A giant rampaging beast that doesn't stop murdering till it dies and is so much stronger than a t rex to use on my enemies oh yes pls
south pasture
Idk, I doubt hypers would be for war literally because of their appetite, but then again they were failures because of it and magnas were the perfected version iirc
But if the hypers went to battle, they’d probably turn on their own “side” because of their hunger, much less the cost needed to feed such creatures off the field
radiant tiger
True
icy onyx
I think it'd be less of a front-line asset, and more of a terror weapon you airdrop behind enemy lines to cause chaos/panic.
Think Resident Evil BOW's more than modern weapons.
radiant tiger
Gosh could you just imagine seeing a hypo being airdropped
Now thats terror at its highest point
But what else would they be used for
feral agate
@radiant tiger War crimes against civilians?
radiant tiger
Possibly
icy onyx
Or at important transit points to break supply lines.
wraith nova
Or you know, those animals have no rights. Can't claim animal abuse when it's enxtinct and brought back via genetic engineering.
That discussion took place already. PC was making weapons, AE is making whatever they are making, mostly messing with genetic engineering and general unethical medical experiments.
radiant tiger
Probably experimenying on dinos for human experiments
Probably what caused that one monstrosity of a humanoid
wraith nova
There's three human strains, cannibals are probably more of dide effect
fluid zealot
The Hypo Colossus oddly enough is a humanoid crocodilian of sorts
grim snow
I have a theory, that the hypers came after the magna.
Phoenix cooked up the magna in a laborotory, specimens B-443 and another one. So in hope to kill and extract useful DNA from the Magnatyrannus, in a hasteful manner, AE created the Hyperendocrin rex. With a larger size and strength, but totally dismal satisfaction, they forgot to balance its hunger and requiremrnts in their haste.
The hypo that was killed in the one short video by the magna was probably the two's first encounter, yet someone did confirm that the magna was weaker than the hypo here in this chat at one point. I think the hypo was created to kill magnatyrannus, and AE may have accquired blood samples, bone extraction, and DNA from the corpses, and managed to create the Magnaraptor, yet it is rare, as I think that its the only specimen.
Now I suspect that the raptor on the Isle's banner is the magnaraptor, and the Isle's old banner too. As I theorize Phoenix may be trying to hunt it down because its stolen property, yet its elusiveness catches most of them offguard and end up being killed by it. Thus why its mostly on a jeep, or a corpse in the banners.
Idk this is just something I thought of.
high heath
I mean, the Hyper dinosaurs exist, and they can take multiple tank rounds
Unnatural healing and all that
feral agate
I'm pretty sure getting hit by a rod traveling 1200+ m/s will fuck a hyper up, ngl
opal torrent
languid forge
chemical rounds might do even better against them
feral agate
yeah, heat-fs would just punt hypers easily
languid forge
i mean, apdsfs can kill it if you aim at the head
but heatfs might be more fun to use
peak siren
mfw i spend 2 days growing rex to get shot across the map by hacker with 50 cal
cant wait
languid forge
well dont think 50 cal will do something to a hyper
maybe just get him more pissed off
languid forge
it depends on the amount of 50 cals used against him i guess
still might find weak spots and do some dmg but still don't think it would kill it
feral agate
no such thing as overkill, bring in the davy crocketts
icy onyx
Bruh why bother with tank shells
just bring in a A-10 warthog
You have shitton of bombs, agms
and a gau 8
wooden lily
Does anyone know why the science guys are making strains in the first place
high heath
According to the old Isle stuff
Hypers had such unnatural healing that tanks did nothing to them. So, they had to invent a weapon that could temporarily stop the hypers healing and make them easier to kill.
Again, this is a massive monster that can crash through buildings and crush tanks with their feet
feral agate
What the fuck where they made off that they could just ignore bombs that pulverize elephants with ease?!
stoic creek
you wouldn't even need guns, smash a couple lightbulbs and mix it into something dead, rip hypos and probably all the other carnivores on the island
radiant tiger
Unless the guts are armored too?
With how large they are the organs may be thicker than normal?
Wouldnt be pleasant either way
wooden lily
Does anyone know the year in which the Isle lore takes place?
prisma oasis
modern day
wooden lily
you suuuure?
pulsar oyster
Maybe a few years into the future
wooden lily
knowing what time period could give us a little more understanding of how the society in the world of TI works
it could be something of the past like Jurassic Park or something of the future yeah
radiant tiger
Its definitely modern or in the future a little
fluid zealot
I would say the past perhaps, being how the text in some of the AE tech messages looks like it came from computers in the 1990s
wraith nova
Modern times. If it looks like it came from 90s it just mean that facility is there for some time and experiments aren't fully brand new stuff
river marsh
Thats a fault of how business works. Things are updated very rarely; so it could be modern, but using older technology that's just held up well over time. But that just makes it either or again.
languid forge
yeah an A-10 could work
high heath
That reminds me
If the scientists created weapons to deal with the strains, why did they escape?
wicked stone
Either the weapons didn’t work due to underestimating (for example: Jurassic World, the ‘strain’ escaped due to faulty countermeasures since they didn’t know much about it). Or the weapons were destroyed somehow.
twin vale
wat
woeful chasm
That isn’t lore related...
high heath
That reminds me, what's up with the building near the collapsed tunnel?
ember flame
Wot
quartz sundial
Deleted the message, pls keep posts lore related. Topics like “what dino will come to the game” isn’t lore
foggy mango
Do we know the names of the Hyper Giga and Hyper Spino?
I know Hyper Carno is Hades Hyper Rex is Thronebreaker and Hyper Quetz is Alfonz
But I missed if H-Spino and H-Giga have code names as well
flint axle
it's concept art iirc
halcyon stirrup
@wooden lily
That's the only date we have. I think it's safe to assume The Isle takes place a little while after 2014.
Assuming the in-game information is still relevant.
icy onyx
I mean, it would have not been that far fetched to think that isle is taking place with irl dates imo
slow delta
a questionably canon part of primal carnage's lore begins way before the 2000s
even in the console stream dr vega is mentioned to have developped the tissoplastic way before that
of course this whole information could very well not be canon anymore
but it's still worth noting that the devs had plans of the lore being relatively older than one would expect
icy onyx
@sleek temple what does
random talon
What’s up with the barracks, they look like unfinished 3D models
icy onyx
Pretty much a placeholder
random talon
A what
icy onyx
They are put in just to "hold place" for newer asset so thats why placeholder (At least I think so)
random talon
Ah
icy onyx
But ignore v3 buildings as hope will get lore stuff
random talon
OOOOO
icy onyx
V3 will be completely thrown out of the lore iirc
random talon
Ah cool
icy onyx
I doubt primal Carnage has ANYTHING to do with the isle
Haven't they already said it doesn't?
carmine marsh
well yes, don did say that 2 years ago.
but eh
primal carnage is mentioned in the games credits.
icy onyx
Okay maybe as in dondi got some ideas from Carnage like models and the way things move or even maybe they worked together on the game none of that means anything towards lore together
carmine marsh
carmine marsh
primal carnage locations and lore is also mentioned in the Olympus Transmitter tweets.
icy onyx
That doesn't mean they share the same lore
And if it did it'd be absolutely terrible add on and would mix everything around to me that sounds unnecessary
But wanna hear something crazy?
Actually believing dondi when he tells you it's not part of the lore
Like isn't that the kind of thing that pisses dondi off when he tells you guys something and then you all completely by pass it and come up with ridiculous conspiracys?
carmine marsh
that is crazy, considering how often he changes his mind and things he's said about the game.
icy onyx
I mean, read through console interaction
carmine marsh
that's another thing
icy onyx
Also operation inferno
Hasn't he said multiple times it has nothing to do with primal Carnage ?
Obtaining assets (Mostly PC dinos) from Phoenix corporation (PC)
sounds like a really interesting choice
carmine marsh
what he says on stream and what actually happens are two very different things.
icy onyx
and tbh, dondi changes his mind on everything
like biweekly
So are conspiracys and the actual truth
carmine marsh
fair enough
one things certain
they have PC assets and the rights to use them now.
pretty sure jaffad made a video showing all the connections not too long ago
supple dome
supple dome
carmine marsh
the room from the PC:G trailer was shown on one of dons latest streams
the one he deleted shortly after
supple dome
I still find it funny
carmine marsh
pretty sure he said or hinted that it'd be used as the "character creation" room or something of the sorts.
supple dome
either way it's cool.
icy onyx
Hmm.
Actually duck
Maybe we are going about this the wrong way
@carmine marsh
Maybe it's Carnage working with the isle to make something better??
Or maybe "fusing" a dino?
carmine marsh
oh come to think of it.
in the deleted stream, just before he showed off the PC:G room, he said something along the lines of "our competitors are teaming up, so i figured i'd go back in time and get some help of my own"
placid harness
This satisfies me
copper prawn
any lore theories about the massive ribs on the bottom of titan's lake? i just saw them the other day and have been wondering about their purpose
icy onyx
IIRC those ribs were added after or before the colosus has been revealed
twin vale
it's hard to come up with good landmarks to aid player navigation, they were visible from a good ways above the treeline when i added them. somehow they ended up underwater though.. 🤔
not sure if anything like that will return.
icy onyx
Wasn't there the Hyper trees or whatever?
that are something along the lines of 200 m tall?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/493717809797529600/unknown.png
Nvm, the calculation I did with this picture back in the day is that that one tree is more along the lines of 400m tall...
BIG LANDMARKS
fluid zealot
@copper prawn, I had a few theories about what those ribs are. One was possibly a failed experiment, the other was this was an animal that already was on the island and died. A long time ago, possibly the source of The Hypo Strain
errant yoke
Hyper trees? Thats dope!!
errant yoke
imagine neuro trees: trees that were basically sentient
lol at that point it would be like a different game
But cool nevertheless
gloomy olive
carnage is coming 
tawdry rampart
Dilos are getting venom?
radiant tiger
Like a blood thinner
random talon
I don’t reckon they have that??
regal locust
Right now they don't have venom
Instead they just have higher bleed. Atm.
Eventually they'll have an anticoagulant, but
¯_(ツ)_/¯
stoic furnace
hola
high heath
Well, think they'll clone Megalania?
Since Dilophosaurus has venom, maybe they'll give other animals venom as well, or clone animals with venom
random talon
I mean everything here isn’t a theory, it’s a hypothesis
river marsh
Would it be safe to assume that, due to hypos existing as living destroyers, neuros (such as our neuro spino) have a purpose in disrupting technonolgy? This makes me wonder why dinosaurs, or rather living biological weapons were chosen over further advancing technology in what is clearly an ongoing fight somewhere in the background.
Given the use of profiles, which are (I believe) human conciousnesses... perhaps the Isle is a snapshot of a military operation where something went wrong in training/repurposing assets, valuable assets escaped and wreacked havoc, and this is several decades perhaps in the future (explaining the possible skeleton of the now rotted Collosus) where anarchy rules and the replicator has continued utilizing the trapped profiles and rebuilding the biological weapons over and over, with no purpose in sight for those individuals other than survival up until the mercenaries disrupted things?
And to include the tribals; what if profiles managed to break free enough to mimic human form, but not actually be human?
Might be bouncing between a nber of ideas here, but that's how I've been seeing things. Anything in established theories contradict this?
copper moat
little cedar
I never talk here, only to peek, but...
Is the Matriarch still a thing? Will we ever play it?
wraith nova
I doubt we eill ever play it, from what we know it seem to be too op. Though it's judging just from those sracps of info we got.
hearty fox
Pretty sure tap's matriarch is not official
placid harness
Listen, if there's lore that's not even reliably canon, I
I would just brush it aside.
icy onyx
^
placid harness
I mean
We do know things that are canon for sure.
It's just people have a bad habit of A. relying on that old console stream and B. relying on Tapwing's fan art from before she was a developer for info.
icy onyx
tbh I would wait with lore till we get Hope
sinful wraith
blissful willow
taps matriarch could be added but it wouldnt be the matriarch
little cedar
I thought it was a word of mouth. I didn't know she made artwork of her
wraith nova
Tapwing came up with Mayriarch as fanart for Idle. But it could end ingame, wasn't there some report on it?
supple dome
The matriarch is canon to the isle lore.
It was even in loading screens before the new ones came in.
The only thing that's not canon *yet is the design.
high heath
Yeah, for all we know, it could be something like Godzilla, or this
Credit to Tapwing
fluid zealot
What classification would this thing even go in
wraith nova
I was confused because there was no desing before, thanks for clarification. Classification: Genetic experiment went even worse than strains.
hallow fable
Megalania.
hallow fable
Hypo strain.
Inspired by grebnedu. At least with the head.
Classification purposal.
Hyperendocrin megalania grebnedu.
remote jungle
matriarch lookin like scp 682 lmfao
slim lynx
gotta get inspiration from somewhere
woeful chasm
None of this is on topic to this channel guys
feral pond
Beat me to it, Trev
woeful chasm
feral pond
Let’s clean this up, shall we?
woeful chasm
Lets!
stone path
remember this
pulsar knot
supple dome
i still think it was an island walker
dusty steppe
I always felt like it was a failed hyper, maybe one that didn't stop growing
stone path
good theorie
dusty steppe
thanks, its the only explanation I could come up with for something like that
sudden grove
Hypo Dienosuchus
sleek thicket
I was gonna say, this thing is like 20 times bigger than a H-Rex. No joke. This ain't no hypo
reef dagger
Any creature that realistically grows to that size would collapse from its own weight due to the strength of your bones not linearly scaling with the strength needed to sustain that size. It could be possible that it grew out of control, and collapsed from its own bigness. o uo;
reef dagger
And considering water kinda helps fight against that (IE, blue whales), maybe thats why its in titan lake
radiant tiger
So what about a hypo legendary?
supple dome
@reef dagger it wouldn't collapse from Its own weight if it's physiology matched it to counteract it's weight like with elephants and hippos etc.
Twas probably a big chunky lad with short but thick pillar legs
dusty steppe
It probably couldnt sustain itself
supple dome
I doubt that
reef dagger
But that size? Itd really need some sort of material in its bone that doesn't coincide with what is actually in typical bone matter.
If it wants any chance of not breaking its own spine.
radiant tiger
Well based on the sheer size it probably isnt a typical organism either reinforced bone could be a possibility if it was genetically engineered to reach large sizes
supple dome
It's species would have probably evolved to have denser bones.
Like modern elephants did.
And tbf don said it didn't die of starvation or from Its own weight in igp's original isle video
supple dome
I'm thinking Disease
Or infection of a wound
Because that's killer to animals that size
radiant tiger
What type of wound are we talking?
supple dome
Honestly it really wouldn't have to be big
To fuck it over
You Nick your own leg on some wire fence and have a shallow cut
That mofo can get infected within a week and you could lose your leg within a month or two
radiant tiger
Im picturing a dilo nipping it and the thing just collapsing but in seriousness what would be able to wound it in the first place
reef dagger
Or AE went all we have to put it down
radiant tiger
AE could have created another unsustainable one?
He does his job of killing the other
Then the other one dies off
But then there would be 2 ribs
Or sets of bones
Wait
You know how there are those ruins right near the skeleton?
What if he just.... Tripped on the building
Broke something and slowly died
fluid zealot
Is it possible for something like that to have existed naturally in The Isle?
radiant tiger
Naturally probably not
Created on accident possibly? (Toxic waste/mutation)
Possibly another organization outside of AE
stone path
probably a failed type
dire seal
Have we been given any information about the world outside of the testing islands? I know it's set in modern day but do we know if it's like 99% like IRL earth or could their be deviations?
fluid zealot
From my guess, I'd have to say that it's set possibly in the modern day, maybe a few years foward, but the facility is old and somewhat abandoned, likely from the 1990s judging by the state of it
icy onyx
but at the same time the geolocation of isle seems to be highly abnormal
our best guess is somewhere 30°-40° North, but in that case, its way too south for the ammount of northern lights activity. So only options are simulated enviroment or some wierd shit happened with earths electromagnetic field
feral agate
what if it isnt the earths magnetic fields, but the island's magnetic field? like a shield around it so civilians cant find it or some shit
smoky sentinel
Yeah, it could be like a kind of a Skull Island or something like that
mighty abyss
If the dinosaurs have human consciousness
Does that mean they can eat human food
Will we get an update where humans and dinosaurs can share a romantic candlelit dinner a la lady and the tramp?
Does this mean that humans can eat meat for hypos?
feral agate
''If the dinosaurs have human consciousness
Does that mean they can eat human food''
I'm pretty sure your consciousness doesnt dictate how your digestive system works
smoky sentinel
But if they have human consciousness, does that mean that they're going to build a religion?!
feral agate
cant make a religion if your life span is less than a week
smoky sentinel
true
barren kelp
maybe they crave human food but never get to have it.. damn that sucks
placid harness
Maybe they are just mutant humans lol
By the power of technology, I hereby distort your body painfully into that of a tyrannosaur.
mighty abyss
well, the tribals have a religion
who's to say the dinosaurs don't have a religion surrounding the hypos
dinosaur church, dinosaur ziggurat
the colossus' body became the earth and magna rex is the son of hypo rex
icy onyx
The problem is consciousness =/= memories/etc
for all we know, the mids could have been wiped of all human thoughts
and whilst they have the intelligence and the mind of a human, they dont think like one
icy onyx
fk I cannot words today tbh
feral pond
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languid forge
its well known for humans to get messed up if eating human food
but idk if having only human consciousness would do that, you need to replace the dino brain with the human brain
vocal violet
So do we know the real name of the creature that we are calling it the cannibal?
quartz hearth
Nope
oak musk
If the Magna was made to tie in Primal carnage with the isle, does that mean the dinosaurs that are in both games are just subspecies of each other or other genomes?
supple dome
I was under the assumption they (cannibals) were called ancients
opaque crane
Where did you get Ancients from?
supple dome
The name popped up a while ago in some lore stuff and nothing has been associated with that name yet. So I kinda just linked them together.
And it kinda makes sense to me.
They do look like a species that evolved a long time ago.
Maybe They just ended up looking humanoid due to convergent evolution.
high heath
That raises some questions though
dire seal
idk what the name of the map was, but their were cannibal statues. Them being ancients would make sense because I don't think humans would make many carving/statues of them
vagrant oracle
I think that was v3 before they redid it
I hope they bring that kind of thing back, that and the redwoods were mmmm👌
hallow fable
Assuming that whatever hominids used for cannibals. Considering the cloning technology, hardly. Especially for weaponization.
icy onyx
Yeah dondi is a liar he's the creator of the game and knows nothing about the isle surely we know more than him
plucky gate
i think the same tbh
dusty steppe
I was under the impression that since the cannibals and the tribals are the same thing, the "tribals" slowly turned into "cannibals" through the generations.
high heath
Dondi knows much more than we do
hallow fable
Cannibalism wouldn't cause enough of an evolution to start a different hominid branch. It's either cultural or desperation.
high heath
Or...genetic
Could have been inbreeding on the island and the plants changing the Humans...
hallow fable
Someone is genetically engineering the hominids into something more orkoid.
restive cave
Okay so basically at the moment we have 3 apexes;
Bleed Apex- Giga,
Bone Break Apex- Rex,
And Fishing Apex- Spino.
And when pouncing becomes a thing Utah would be the Apex of pouncing because it would be the strongest of the class. And when Venom is a thing Dilo would be the apex of venom because it would also be the strongest of the class unless dondi creates a dinosaur that will overpower them. That is why the Utah has a hypo model in process and I expect a Hypo model for a Dilo & Ptera. Carno also has a Hypo version, too. Which means this is our 7 known apexes as of now unless if other dinosaurs are released that trumps them.
New Apexes;
Pouncing Apex- Utah,
Venom Apex- Dilo,
Speed Apex- Carno,
Flight Apex- Ptera. (Or Quetz if we are talking about unreleased ones, too.)
Boom Dondi get clapped I dare you to say I’m wrong.
sleek temple
i remember dondi said herbies wont be getting strains and its because its part of the lore
i wonder if that gives us a hint to how strains are made
dire seal
a bit of lore and how I think the game will go, strains might be a king of the hill kind of thing. Carnivores kill other carnivores to become a strain, like a rex kills a hyper carno to become a hyper rex. just one possible way
could also be that they either could only get the carnivore strains to work because of caloric intake
vocal violet
Question is there other weird places in the isle universe beside the main story archipelago?
high heath
Phoenix Corp, I think
woeful chasm
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high heath
If the mercs exist, does that mean AE has a contract with the military?
high heath
I mean, AE does have tanks and humvees and the like
vocal violet
I have a lore question is there other islands, places, etc owned by AE or only our main story archipelago?
icy onyx
@high heath private military companies are a thing. doesnt have to be the army necesarily
high heath
Good point
high heath
How did AE grab DNA from aquatic animals?
woeful chasm
What ya mean?
high heath
Well, if we take the JP route, mosquitoes wouldn't be able to bite aquatic animals
And, if aquatic animals exist, how will we stay around the islands?
woeful chasm
They could bite a carcass that washed up couldn’t they?
cursive quartz
^
high heath
Ah
vague dome
is the isle lore website in the pins up to date or is it practically useless now
mighty abyss
it's only a tad outdated but otherwise the best we have
dire seal
not a theory, just clarifying a IRL thing: you can't get DNA from a fossil, fossils are rocks.
but, I've been doing some looking around and some one way dinosaurs could be reborn isn't from direct cloning, but from reverse engineering
I think reverse engineered dinos makes a lot of sense since a good number of them take on non paleo characteristics (lack of feathers, bipedal spino, vocal cords)
icy onyx
Not always
plucky mortar
What is AE and what does it mean?
slim lynx
Apollo engineering
twin vale
you sure you can't get genetic material from fossilized bones? i recall reading a number of articles online that said otherwise
feral agate
nah, dna has a half-life, or whatever its called, and breaks down after a while
so no dino dna for me 
tiny oxide
2 millions years i think is the threshhold for viable dna
feral agate
tiny oxide
after that good luck
bright wren
I was watching my replay and I put my camera under port and saw this message.
carmine marsh
there's also one in the sinkhole, they've been there since march this year, just little easter eggs that'll be gone after the next patch.
woeful chasm
I just saw an article they retrieved dna from an 80-million year old fossil
Also you can retrieve it from dirt and water samples too
high heath
What 80 million year old fossil?
tiny oxide
cant do much with that DNA though, too fragmented and decayed. some info can be inferred but that DNA is for all intent and purposes not viable for use.
woeful chasm
This is from a RL article mentioning scientists have been able to extract DNA from a fossil that was 80 million years old
Using a fossilized femur from a duck-billed dinosaur called Brachylophosaurus canadensis, they took samples from inside the bone. The researchers managed to identify eight protein sequences, two of which matched those that were recorded during their original study, proving that their initial work was indeed correct. Not only that, but after comparing the sequences to other, living, creatures, they found that three of the sequences were also similar to those found in alligators and birds.
So it isn’t much of a stretch to say AE could use dirt, water, fossils, and preserved blood to reverse engineer Dino dna
high heath
Hmm...makes sense
feral agate
or just make an animal from scratch and call it a day
south pasture
Wait a second
dna bits recovered from brachy that AE could possibly use
brachy is a species of hadrosaur
dondi said we’re getting 1 other species of hadrosaur
Brachy confirmed
woeful chasm
That chunk was from an article I read not having anything to do with the game
dire seal
on that article (I read a news bit on it, I couldn't find the actual paper): I'm with the skeptic, I don't really understand much of complex science, I'm finding different answers for what DNA's half life is but all of them are much smaller then 80 million years. While the components of the DNA could still exist I doubt they would be any use in rebuilding the animal, because at that point they have probable decayed beyond the point of use.
woeful chasm
I wasn't making a point about rebuilding the whole strand, but it was enough for them to find similarities with other things
languid vigil
look AE needs to use crocodilians and bird dna instead of frogs and i go with
languid vigil
yeah that true, i say bird dna as well cause if active certain thing in there genome and retro actively make a dino
languid vigil
true but it would nice to see a broke Lab where they did this stuff on the map even its a place holder
old falcon
If the herbis will be able to eat different plant types after the rebuild, would it be a good idea to have certain plants be more nutritious than others. So herbis would contest over better feeding grounds or soemthing
regal sundial
Dinosauriac since you're firsthand involved in the project (and interact in here) I'm curious, could you give me at least a general idea of the origins/timelines of project leads, or at least initiators, for the other games in this vein and where they came from? Specifically ARK, Day of Dragons, BoB and Saurian. (This is lore relevant) More specifically wondering who besides Dondi was from the original Primal Carnage team and which of the remainder were either from this team or people that just came up of their own accord.
Because lowkey I am seeing some similarities between The Isle and ARK, the whole technical immortality, virtual intelligence, intelligently accelerated/filtered evolution of one sort or another, strange mysterious super substance(s) that mutate creatures into horrible monsters, suspiciously isolated island
Did the ARK guys pull a Bob Dylan on Dondi? Did the guy behind it come from the primal team and go "hey that's a good idea I'll do it better" or something?
paper herald
I don’t think every dino project is a rip-off of TI lol
paper herald
^
loud river
Not every game with Dino's is a rip-off Isle or wannabe Isle, staaahpppp
warped coral
@regal sundial Way back when work on the now scrapped (citation needed) map AE-001 was happening and don got unhealthily obsessed with ribs and dick rocks he streamed a bit of ARK; specifically the centre map and he liked the columns and stuff (hence the stupid rocks) but i digress.
During said stream session he talked about the isles original / one of the original story pitches being *similar to what ARK's story became, so once ARK "beat them to the punch" they had to go back to the drawing board
other things that have been dripped fed to us over the years include references to this comic series "Dinosaurs vs Aliens"
twin vale
it's hard to say what the lore really is at this point, it's all in dondi's head, but yeah the ideas we were going to use were sort of an example of convergent evolution in other games that got to them before we did in various variations.
several of us used to work on Primal including Foszor, Dondi, Ikarop and myself (i still do occasionally) so there's some influence there and we're exploring a few ideas we had back on that but were never able to realize.
warped coral
I'm going to presume that the time don said something along the lines of "before you guys all shit the bed we did human cloning first" in the Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom spoiler chat that existed last year is also extremely up in the air then?
twin vale
i probably know as much as you guys do at this point the story has changed so much over time.
warped coral
loud river
Big sad
Let's hope that we can get some more lore or hints once remake is out, then
I know Dondi is in no rush to push lore out, but hopefully once Remake is out and there's alot less stress on Devs we can perhaps get some tidbits into it
icy onyx
What theory's do we have today that will surely piss dondi off?
vague dome
that the island was a mistake that got out of control
high heath
Anyone got theories where the islands are located?
celest drum
noble harbor
"that the island was a mistake that got out of control" Why would that piss him off o.O It's kind of viable ?
(Honest question, as I'm relatively new to the community. 😅)
icy onyx
@high heath about 30-40° northern latitude closer to 40°
Except
there are way too many abnornalities in northern lights so enviroment may be simulated
vague dome
dondi has stated multiple times that "everything is going according to plan"
what is currently happening on the island is just a part of that plan
whether that plan was conceived inside the AE corperation on a human level or by something that can't be understood is what needs to be figured out
mighty abyss
so technically that means all theories are correct until the recode is released
south pasture
Well yes, but actually no.
icy onyx
technically theories are a paradox. All theories are true until proven otherwise, but at the same time most of them arent true .
steep fiber
👀 just gonna drop this here. Not sure if we're gonna be punctual and change it buttt 
icy onyx
@steep fiber but also
high heath
Well, since we have two types of dinosaurs coming, is it safe to assume AE is using different DNA from different animals?
steep fiber
@icy onyx spose my arguement only holds up if.. "In science". 
tawny garden
What if the island is a sort of prison camp where your conciousness is inserted into the body of a dino, maybe using some blue people Avatar kind of tech
woeful chasm
Not sure it’s anything like that
river marsh
It likely isn't that context but there certainly are human profiles playing the dinosaurs. That's the concept behind how we play im sure. Though I do wonder about the "thousand life contract" bit
tawny garden
you mean the shants?
vocal violet
Question does the out side world besides AE does know about the existence of the island or not?
icy onyx
I thought Dondi already had a ton of lore backed up? But now he doesn’t? Wot 
feral agate
only dondi know anything for real. we can only speculate
placid harness
primal carnage is for real
icy onyx
I thought the rest of the world had been purged or Is going to be? and that's why these creatures exist because In Jurassic world obviously the "weaponized specimen" aka Indo raptor or indominus rex had mind of its own it is a separate creature from us but if AE is making them it's possibly human controlled? Making it more reliable and less dangerous to everyone else and if they were human controlled for war it's make it easier it's like getting a second chance at life when that dino dies go to the next controller and play a new one kind of thing and that's why you can respawn? Idk probably thinking to much into it lol
feral agate
dinos for war would serve for niche operations at best. they would not survive any real combat. so I still think its about a bunch of scientists going mad with the whole immortality shebang and the CEO not caring cuz dinos are cool
also, what do you mean by ''the world had been purged''?
high heath
Hyperendocrin and the other strains would survive war, but I assume they wanted to clone dinosaurs and went, "What if we gave them Human intelligence?"
feral agate
nah, one well placed missile, bomb, or tank shell and they are dead
icy onyx
Only hypos would. Tissos maybe. But nueros have super weak skin.
feral agate
a hellfire missile can punch through almost a meter of steel. flesh and bone aint stopping that
icy onyx
Hypos have armor
high heath
Problem is...Hypos can heal from that
high heath
They had to design a very specific gun to stop them from healing
icy onyx
Tissos are for stealth and neurons are for something else
feral agate
I dont think that is still a thing
the super regeneration
you could legit atomize it and no cell would be left
icy onyx
Either way, hypos could survive “normal” war
high heath
A missile won't stop a Hypo
You need something like the gun or a nuke
Maybe a firebomb
feral agate
not really, just napalm it to death after blowing its brain with a missile
melee doesnt work in modern combat
icy onyx
Is your name a reference?
feral agate
who?
icy onyx
I need to go, b y e
feral pond
I will say that something as simple as a GBU-38 or GBU-31 for that matter is more than enough to take out any hyper animal. The over pressure alone is enough to liquify internal organs, but I digress. From that alone, I hope to be correct in thinking the dinosaurs weren’t created for military purposes.
feral agate
if anything, they are tests
for the sake of testing
(and they use dinos cuz they cool)
feral pond
Medical? Perhaps it was meant to be a theme park where customers could play dinosaur for a day and something went terribly, terribly wrong.
feral agate
maybe it was for science, see if they can. then maybe for profit, in a jurassic park kind of way. then everyone went mad due to the replicator possibly giving immortality (or shit escaped)
fluid zealot
I believe the Isle was something akin to Jurassic Park but not as a profitable endeavor. It was a scientific research facility, their "Site-B" if you will
feral pond
Reason I bring up theme park is based on an old stream that debuted a WIP map having a hotel on it, but so much could have changed since then as it was meant to be a map for V3.. which is no longer in the picture. Oy. I tend to keep my theories to myself since the lore seems to be changing and/or not much to go on period.
feral agate
yeah, we gonna have to wait
fluid zealot
What I'm curious to is what exactly is the source of dinosaur DNA?
feral pond
My only assessment is an homage to how the dinosaurs were created in the JP-verse
So perhaps along similar vein
feral agate
maybe, or they legit just made them from scratch
feral pond
That too, I suppose
feral agate
making something that looks like a dino
fluid zealot
True, as these animals may be hybrids of their own, possibly animals amalgamated to the point of which they look like dinosaurs
high heath
If it was a theme park, why are there military vehicles and cages?
fluid zealot
In order to maintain highly aggressive animals, you'd need heavy duty equipment, which could be pertained by the government
feral agate
yeah, gotta keep under control
high heath
Right...but they have Human intelligence
feral agate
even more reason
high heath
Which means this is not a theme park.
feral agate
maybe not anymore
feral pond
You can buy surplus vehicles, they don’t have to be military associated specifically @high heath
feral agate
I still gonna say the scientists went mad
high heath
Right...vehicles with heavy weaponry, and bases made to withstand bombs
feral agate
immortality and stuff. they just threw morality out the fucking window
welp, could be abandoned military shit
they bough from the goverment
feral pond
Heavy security can be bought and built if you have the money, it’s a sci-fi after all
fluid zealot
Judging from the equipment and how it all looks, it seems like the place was created in the 1990s and abandoned much like Jurassic Park
feral agate
true that
high heath
Right. Sci-fi with mutant Cannibals
I'm starting to think the theme park idea isn't likely
feral agate
as I said, maybe it started there
feral pond
There are several island, yes?
high heath
Several islands, with multiple outposts and docks...?
feral pond
Perhaps each island has a respective purpose, like the JP-verse
feral agate
we just throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks, but we cant really see the wall
feral pond
Docks are necessary all over, transport.. necessities, supplies
fluid zealot
It is my assumption that these were likely different environments to test which were suited best for the animals and which of them flourished
feral pond
V3 even had train tracks, where’s the damn train! Hehe
feral agate
really? where?!
fluid zealot
As for the hotels, it may also be possible that the V3 map was the best suited island and they were going to open it to the public as a preservation of sorts and less like a theme park
fluid zealot
As for creatures like the Hypo, I believe they were simply a fail-safe for if the preservation was to fail
feral pond
Can’t say I have much say on strain animals outside of ‘let’s see what genetic tampering we can do today, Pinkie!’
fluid zealot
Now, I know this one isn't official but I remember being shown something like this and by god, just why
feral pond
I am curious about the loading screen snippet for The Matriarch, too.
feral agate
ssssssh
fluid zealot
I do believe that whoever made the dinosaurs decided to start tampering, perhaps make a failsafe for the Hypos and a failsafe for that until it became too much
feral agate
maybe
fluid zealot
I did have a strange idea though, you guys remember that giant skeleton?
feral pond
Under the lake on current V3 and the rib cage in the red woods prior?
fluid zealot
Yes
feral pond
I figured it alludes to the ‘island walkers’
fluid zealot
Island Walkers?
My idea was whatever it was, the DNA of that thing was the source of all the dinosaurs created, like some sort of primordial source DNA that once tampered with, was made into various dinosaurs
and these strains were it's diseases
feral agate
or its a fucking alien
river marsh
That's what happens when you give humans those genetics
feral agate
or maybe they are the original?
river marsh
I find it far fetched that they weren't human originally. It's sci fi survival horror. Not fantasy. So that's my bet.
feral agate
maybe. but i do feel there is some super natural shit involved
then again, advanced tech can look like magic
fluid zealot
I feel there's some Prehistoric Eldritch monstrosity apart of it all
feral agate
true that
river marsh
Maybe something altered the conditions of the world and humanity had to adapt. Dinosaurs were the longest lasting animals as a group so they then recreated them, took traits of other creatures to survive in more hostile climes, and then....well. might explain why it's humans controlling the dinos
Their bodies were inadequate
fluid zealot
Maybe, but why is it on these islands and not the mainland?
feral agate
ye. the world is probably fine, the islands are to keep shit hiden
river marsh
Hmmm fair. We were probably located farther to the north and will now be near the equator. Maybe at the South containment facility mentioned that had carnotaurus experiments
feral agate
maybe. AE seems quite powerful
I can see it. the escapes, the mercs, every death, every kill. its all planed
all in the name of god knows what
fluid zealot
Also In-universe it raises the question as to why it's every popular dinosaur
river marsh
So they can survive in the world of man
feral pond
That brings up the simulation theory someone tossed around
feral agate
i said it like, 5 times, and I'll say it again: the CEO just really likes dinos
fluid zealot
Surely it would've been a randomized selection
feral agate
true, simulation would make sense
there might be some ''cult'' like sheenanigans happening
river marsh
Note that most of the dinosaurs were apexes in their environment. They were the Pinnacle at their time. And the cult stuff is a for sure with tribals
fluid zealot
So it could be just a bunch of weirdos wandering around a dark empty room with oculus headsets controlling the dinosaurs?
feral agate
meh, maybe
river marsh
Probably closer to the experience of (don't muder me) SAO. Body i- wait. Maybe avatar
Avatar more likely
feral agate
by ''cult'' I mean scientists just throwing caution out the window in the search for... something? immortality? the perfect organism?
feral pond
The Matrix, if you want to go that far
river marsh
Fair
fluid zealot
That's really meta
river marsh
And the perfect organism is found in the magna I think. I know something was mentioned along those lines
But the strains could all be collective tests
feral agate
true
DAMMIT DONDI
I hunger to know
fucking hell. if mercs will be the ones that look around for docs that tell the lore, the isle will become a shooter for me
river marsh
I learn a lot through observation. Good on getting details not so good at stringing it together. I'll probably go nuts once things are added
icy onyx
Ill just say, with the entire farther up north, current theory is that V3 is somewhere around 40° Northern Latitude
but either enviroment is simulated or earths electromagnetic field got really fucked up because northern lights are way too active
but yea after V3 will get smited, we will have to attempt geolocate Hope
icy onyx
also that
sleek temple
id assume each strain
will strain each of them in one way
hypers is metabolism is strained badly
tawny garden
Wait, so what are they a hybrid of...
high heath
You know what
I'm gonna say it
Hyperendocrin might actually be used for military development
It makes sense
feral pond
Go on
gentle elk
Ihr kriegt eine Schelle
high heath
Well, this thing is over 20 feet tall. It can crush through massive walls and destroy tanks by just stepping on them.
It has incredibly fast healing, heavy armor
It's perfect for military use. Send one of them out to quell a rebellion or set one up rampaging through an enemies town to demoralize them
It will solve itself, either killing everyone or starving off and dying
feral pond
LOAC would like a word with you
icy onyx
GBU to the face
feral pond
Terrorism purposes, sure, but LOAC is a thing
icy onyx
How long could it take for jets with anti ground payload to be scrambled?
icy onyx
Especially after 9/11
high heath
Who said they'd be the US's jets?
feral pond
It confuses me that a professional military would utilize an animal where we have incredible equipment to perform its function already in place. Again, if the dinosaurs were intended for military use I’d be flabbergasted as to why.
icy onyx
tbh even Su-25 carries enough payload to blast hyper
feral pond
Now a non-state actor, maybe
high heath
You send dinosaurs controlled by military personal, you got a Dilophosaurus chasing people through tunnels or a Hyper pushing buildings over to stop a convoy and kill an enemy
sleek temple
used for military purpose doesnt make sense
feral pond
Seeing as we have mercenaries at play, but I can’t see an actual military buying into this
high heath
I can.
Hell, military bought a thousand dollar coffee cup, do you think they'd pass up on a thing that will literally eat a tank?
feral pond
As someone in the military, I laugh at it honestly
I’m not going to continue down this road, it gives me a headache
high heath
I mean, a dictator would shit his pants when he sees this thing crashing through buildings just to kill him
sleek temple
i doubt it could get very far
icy onyx
Yea 1 ambrams
sleek temple
itd be blasted by bullets and drop ded
feral pond
Mhm
feral agate
tanks would eat hypers alive
sleek temple
some tanks are faster than the 3 big hypers
shrewd plover
Think about the military wanting to use raptors in JW
high heath
Doesn't the Hyper Carnotaurus outrun most of the animals...all the animals in The Isle?
feral pond
Look up LOAC and Geneva Conventions, if a hyper were to be used for combat it won’t be from a state actor
feral pond
Now if this is a completely fictional universe with no bearing on today’s world powers then disregard what I’ve said
But we don’t know that yet
high heath
I mean, you are putting peoples intelligence into Dinosaur bodies
Does that sound ethical?
still steppe
ww2 nazi raptors
feral pond
We’ve done many unethical things already, I’m curious as to the world order surrounding this game now
sleek temple
AE is most likely undercover unlike Phoenix Corp
high heath
I don't think that
They have enough stuff to clone dinosaurs and create buildings that can withstand bombs
They were probably like "Hey, we got this idea. We need funding for it."
feral pond
I suppose I’ll head back to my corner and watch from afar, there’s just too much we don’t know to start poking holes into imaginary plot lines for now.
icy onyx
AE is run by society
opaque crane
Not the right channel, and we dont know anyway
feral agate
yeah, that
fluid zealot
If human DNA is being used on dinosaurs, it'd certainly explain why some of them can roar
placid harness
Executive landing pad. That showed up somewhere. There are definite ties or at the very least an interest for what AE is doing.
Controlling life itself seems to be a marketable power I guess.
feral agate
they can do other stuff that is legal and makes a shitload of money
the shady stuff is done under wraps
placid harness
Lol what if AE is publicly some sort of Pharmaceutical organization
high heath
You mean like Umbrella?
placid harness
Wouldn't be surprised if we took the Resident Evil route
feral agate
I would be surprised if if they didn't
random cairn
iF iF tHeY dIdNt
icy onyx
How does resident evil have anything to do with that
sweet zephyr
feral agate
opaque crane
It stands for Apollo Engineering, no mystery there
solar osprey
How do we know🤔
grim snow
Because it is literally confirmed and said.
We've known this since the lore theories began.
https://taterfilore.wixsite.com/theisleslore You can use this to catch up to the current theories.
cold pecan
Nice theory bro
icy onyx
@feral agate sorry for the really late reply but the world being purged had been a rumor that went around for awile saying that the world took there power for granted and created or did something that killed everything and the islands are the last resort for life for the few scientists that lived but even that is far fetched I guess.
feral agate
First- you made me think we had an announcement and now I'm sad
Second- interesting
icy onyx
Aww I'm sorry!!
opaque crane
Ksk this is for lore theories
brittle stratus
@glossy walrus this is for serious lore theories only.
solar osprey
Well they said that the dinosaur genes were implemented with human genes so that means the dinosaurs aren’t real dinosaurs but in the future things that would be added they said this
So you can become a real dinosaur then but currently we aren’t
icy onyx
@solar osprey Strains arent real dinos tho
current strains we know of is hyperdocrin, tissoplastic and neurotenic
solar osprey
Yeah but they said something with human statins also maybe for the slender lookin creatures
Idk
Hyperdocrin is what the hypo Rex,Giga,Spino etc. have currently
grim snow
Utah and carno too
slim lynx
So what we can deduce from this is that something somehow speeds up the process of evolution?
icy onyx
Or screwing with there DNA strands
paper herald
Or maybe evolve just means being turned into it
wraith nova
Forced evolution. AE messes with DNA. Generally AE is far from erhic expwriments and they don't give a shit about it.
icy onyx
If they do it for military purposes they are retarded and need to not do science
Dinos in 14th century could work but dinos in late 20th and 21st wouldnt
foggy sorrel
whats the point of editing DNA of already perfect killing machines
making them live longer is ok - less money spent later
in theory you want them more docile - not more crazy
Could only see those as some mistakes at creating dinosaurs at the first place. Where they are trying to get close to real thing but they make horrific mistakes
--- to be honest i could dig this game even if they tried to make it real without human influence