that's ridiculous
#isle-lore-theories
frank latch
no one thought that Jurassic Park would rename it's dinos
and the isles utah looks most like a utah out of any dinosaur currently known
ember flame
Do you guys think tribal's split off from humans, are they even human, or did they just take random people and just slowly turn them into tribal's?
Because there's a lot of evidence to say they turned people into savage ape orcs...
keen creek
Given that there were rummors about the potential renaming of the utah and everybody kept saying it was a different species I was under the impression that it was another dinosaur that only had utahraptor as a sort of "placeholder" name. Also it's undeniable that of the other dinosaurs it's one of the least similar to it's original source, in fact headshape and proportions wise it resembles more an overgrown Deinonychus than a Utahraptor. But I'm not debating it's accuracy in the game, as I've constantly mentioned that these dinosaurs are NOT the original animals that lived during the Mesozoic, but creatures who have a good percentage of the original DNA plus foreign elements (modern animal DNA) in them.
I'm not asking to rename it, but it's clear as day that the dinosaur we call Utah in game is different enough to be considered a new species, regardless of name changes.
If anything the concept of a new species created from the basis of an already existing one with other elements added to it and being completely functional is a really interesting concept in my opinion.
keen creek
It's a shame some of the letters are not very readable because that image seems quite interesting
keen creek
Even if it's not a nova a similar situation might have happenned in it's creation
slow delta
The primal carnage isle connection isnt that deep
icy onyx
it is there, just not that big
slow delta
Even though the nova might appear in the isle or the lore eventually i doubt it will have many similarities to pc
icy onyx
B-443 is magna amirite?
keen creek
Perhaps the utahs current look is based on a similar principle to the PCE ones, they just were more viable. This also could tie in to the potential feather system, as the dinosaurs are slowly developing some original mutations based on already existing ones
echo gazelle
For anyone that missed this bit Dino dropped in discussions. Super late but thought it'd be appropriate in here.
keen creek
Interesting...
So perhaps a subtle hint of what animals went into the creation of some creatures
As expected the Deinosuchus would get modern crocodilian DNA, afterall it's not that far removed from our modern crocs and gators.
keen creek
I always assumed they were organic
I don't know if the nile crocodile genetic makeup was deliberate choice but it makes perfect sense actually
American alligators, which are more closely related to deino than the nile crocodile, sometimes reach enormous sizes but they are somewhat mellow in temper.
But Nile crocodiles are quite agressive being next to the saltwater crocodile in more human deaths. Perhaps this was added to ensure that these deinos could survive in an hostile enviromment, afterall the original animal never had to live with likes of t rex, giganotosaurus or spinosaurus.
severe lark
Could also account for a general boost in protection, seeing as Niles are also second to Salties in their armored protection
Case and point Gustav
I would throw bite force in as well, seeing as Niles/Salties have the two most powerful bites in modern Crocodilians, but I feel like that'd pointless seeing as Deino already surpasses them in that department
keen creek
never hurts to add a bit of protection, it has 2 terrestrial apexes and 1 amphibious apex to compete and survive against
mighty abyss
I think it's just because it's a cool crocodile
keen creek
Maybe it's just that, but it's always interesting to see beyond the most obvious interpretation
keen creek
A clue to a possible source of foreign DNA in the Isle's Allosaurus, the neck scales of allosaurus form sort of a rough surface distinct from the other body covering.
They have a resemblance to the neck scales on white-throated monitor lizards. Coincidentally this reptiles also have sharp teeth, their bites cause a lot of bleeding and can be infected very easily aside from the fact that this reptiles have venom.
Perhaps a way of to ensure that the resulting animals had the sharp teeth made to cause massive bleeding?
icy onyx
You do know that it may just be a design choice, doesn't mean that it's interconnected with the plot or the Dinosaurs DNA.
This is The Isle, not Jurassic Park.
keen creek
You do know that this dinosaurs are recreated creatures made by a scientific organization ala Jurassic Park, to the point that at least 2 dinosaurs are or have homages to the JP franchise ?
In what way is it outlandish to think that they have a similar if not identical way of recreating their dinosaurs?
For all we know it probably will never be explained, doesn't mean we can't theorize, specially in the theories channel
icy onyx
It's not wrong to think. 'Hm, i wonder what DNA goes into the Isle's dinosaurs' but i still think you are looking way to deep into this.
It's just a harmless multiplayer horror game
keen creek
Perhaps, but so is thinking that this dinosaurs are robots as some have suggested. So is thinking that they may be controlled by humans through a mind connection. I sincerely find this theories much more complicated than dinosaur DNA.
icy onyx
*These
Also i don't think anything about the dinosaurs in The Isle, they're just animals
Don't need to go deeper then that they just exist.
proper meadow
Just animals - Isle theories wants to have a word with you
There is a lot more than being just an animal in TI
icy onyx
Let people theorize bro. Don't put em down for voicing their ideas and thoughts, that's what this chat is for.
keen creek
that and the fact the they are not just any modern run of the mill modern animals
icy onyx
Also true. If they were simply "animals" as you put it, then wouldnt they be kept in human's every day lives, instead of on an island, with no real means of escape?
Lions are animals, and sure, they're dangerous, but they're kept in zoos, IN humans every day lives.
keen creek
these are "dinosaurs" or rather the closest living things to dinosaurs outside of modern birds
recreated creatures who in many ways are different from their ancestors
and yet they have managed to make the most of it, even developed their own niches in the process
icy onyx
You, my friend, are like my grandma. She refuses to stretch her imagination to see further possibilities than that right in front of her.
Not you, Zorr, the other dude
Use your mind a bit. Theorize, question, imagine. Or, just ignore this channel. Simple. 
the emoji tho xDD
keen creek
the allo/monitor lizard observation was a possible insight on what animals were they used to bring back these beasts, same with the Nile crocodile and the deino or the feather supressors in otherwise known feathered dinosaurs.
keen creek
bye
icy onyx
Oh boy did this chat turn into wildfire while i was gone, first of all i didn't put down any of your ideas down you had, i was simply questioning the idea that the Allosaurs spikes were there because it had monitor lizard DNA. And i was giving my opinion on the subject of Dino DNA in The Isle, man you people really have to learn the difference between opinion and hate.
keen creek
I didn't think it was hate, but it's sort not seeing beyond what it seems at first, maybe the neck scales look like that because they look cool? I mean yeah probably, at this moment it's as good as any answer. But it's rather curious how this scales are similar to those of a modern reptilian species that shares to some degree a similar dentition. It's very likely if not assuredly that these dinosaurs have incomplete genetic codes and have to be filled with somehing. Still I'm fully aware that there was no hate on your part of course and neither was on mine
nocturne cosmos
For the dna idea do remember some things were made before others thing were able to be put it
Also I know that the animator uses real life animals when doing the dinos which could be the same for the model made which is what leads to them looking such a way and the fact it’s what we have in our time
keen creek
"For the dna idea do remember some things were made before others thing were able to be put it" You mean some models are newer than others or that some dinos were created in lore before others?
"Also I know that the animator uses real life animals when doing the dinos which could be the same for the model made which is what leads to them looking such a way and the fact it’s what we have in our time" Animation and modelling are done by separated artists aren't they?
nocturne cosmos
For the first part I mean as in there wasn’t really a proper system in place for feathers theri was the only one that got them and the second part I said it could be the same for the modeller. Tho the dna thing makes sense in some aspects since you’ve got hypos and other shit running around
keen creek
Oh yeah I know those models first came from TSL and those have feathers as textures rather than a fully fledged feather system. As to the strains thing, yes those are more heavely mutated dinosaurs, but all of them are arguiably mutants, they are just not AS mutated and function more like regular animals.
high heath
So, if The Isle and Primal Carnage are in the same universe, I assume the Dinosaurs on both islands were created in competition with each other.
It would explain why The Isles dinosaurs seem more natural, while Primal Carmage seems more genetically enhanced, more built for battle and such
frank latch
utah is utah and that's all there is to it
south pasture
But... it’s not
Irl utahraptor and the game’s utahraptor are 2 completely different things.
On the 1 you have the actual dinosaur that existed with the feathers and the wrists and all the stuff people want on the in game utahraptor
Then you have the game’s Utah, the lab creation, the experiment; it would be literally impossible to get all the dna necessary to fully obtain an irl utahraptor, and even though I’m not sure how exactly bringing the dinosaurs back works in the lore here, they’d get the dna somehow, try to fill it in as best they can, and then add their own and experiment on what they made further
The last bit there can also help explain why species have gotten remodels, keeping with utahraptor (iirc) it’s had 2 playable models, 1 teased, and 1 being worked on right now. The literal explanation is just game design; but if you factor in how these dinosaurs are lab creations that are experimented on and monitored, as evidenced by the old loading screen logs, and then factor in the strains on top of that; we for sure aren’t dealing with pure, unedited life that is exactly how it was so many millions of years ago
keen creek
^not only that but if you see the teaser for some of the dinos you can see they call them versions, from the stego teaser "Genotype v3 of species Stegosaurus, featuring enhanced musculature and greater range of motion. Scheduled for replication."
Also in the same trailer we can see Stegosaurus grazing, when it was more than likely a browser and grass hadn't evolved during the late Jurassic, suggesting that this dinosaurs can effectively consume grass and digest it. The only way to do that is including DNA from modern grazing animals, which there are plenty to choose from, from tortoises to cows.
icy onyx
@frank latch Also, this
It is speculated that Utah is either Nova V3 or brand new Nova V4 as there are few differences from V3
frank latch
alright whatever but the utahraptor in the game will stay the utah raptor probably and hopefully
have fun with your gene theories about what the dinos are made of
I know the utah isn't realistic
but that's fine
icy onyx
actually utah will be getting renamed
frank latch
to what?
icy onyx
we dont know exactly, but novaraptor is the most probable one
frank latch
that's not a real dinosaur
was this on a dev stream or something\
or just rumor
if you didn't hear it from a dev
then don't say it's the case
icy onyx
I personally didnt get it from dev but a lot of people that check their sources do talk about it
frank latch
that it isn't realistic
icy onyx
just not named
frank latch
I know pc is related to the isle
but
that doesn't mean
that the isle will name it's dinos the same
icy onyx
also lore wise, AE obtained resources from Pheonix corporation
frank latch
yes
frank latch
who said there would be a new name
The isles dinos are so far always named after real dinosaurs (not counting strains) and based on the size and physical attributes of the isles utah, it makes the most sense to call it a utah
sleek temple
i mean
icy onyx
but it isnt utah, and is more similiar to nova v3
sleek temple
the isle isnt really fully realistic
icy onyx
and that
sleek temple
so it being a nova is possible
sleek temple
doesnt matter
sleek temple
if both are in the same universe than it is possible
icy onyx
tisso is?
frank latch
those are strains
icy onyx
Is cannibal real person?
icy onyx
like nothing is real in game
icy onyx
They are
sleek temple
so what?
icy onyx
but they arent the real dinos
sleek temple
the utah ingame isnt a real dino
icy onyx
there is always a change
icy onyx
And what?
frank latch
the irl
icy onyx
Its dondis game
sleek temple
if it was based on the utah irl then it would be fat and slow
but its not
its based on jp velo
frank latch
but I don't get why all of you think that the utah will get a name change
sleek temple
dondi even said he wanted it to look like jurassic park velo
frank latch
and OF ALL REAL DINOSAURS, utah is the closest thing
ok
and\
it's called utaj
because
sleek temple
tru tru
frank latch
but it's not like a strain
icy onyx
It was made to be like a JP velo actually
sleek temple
fat and slow compared to the utahs we have ingame
frank latch
maybe
icy onyx
If you dont like it getting renamed, dont but it will probably get renamed
frank latch
devs: ...
player: UTAH GETTING RENAMED
and earlier one of the devs said they didn't see any reason to rename the utah
icy onyx
uhuh and you got that where?
frank latch
scroll up
icy onyx
sauriac didnt specifically say it wont get renamed
sleek temple
^
frank latch
yes
sleek temple
he just says he doesnt see the need
icy onyx
and as long as it isnt denied, it is still possible
frank latch
he seems to approach the question as if he hasn't heard any news of it being renamed
I will continue to ask
if you can trace this back to any dev
at all
woeful chasm
Think y’all have gotten a bit #401470471750811669
toxic siren
nova isnt replasing velo nova i dont think will even come to the game due to copyright .
echo dove
Keep the lore discussion serious please, guys
scenic scarab
the dinosaurs in the isle have chips in their brains that are controlled by people around the world who think they are playing a really good game
halcyon stirrup
wtf did I just read...
You started with a theory, but than changed it into senseless banter...
Also, the trees and environment as a whole are being changed to a more tropical environment.
keen creek
yeah...
my ramblings can be a bit over the top but this is a bit too much
But as to the habitat question
it's strange
icy onyx
he is making statements instead of theories, that's why it's weird
keen creek
there are clearly tropical plants in an enviromment that would suggest a temperate climate, you have mangrove/ficus like trees, palm like plants and other sorts of tropical plants next to conifers and birch trees.
which would suggest micro climates or really adaptable vegetation
hazy mountain
@balmy cape are you high-
icy onyx
The pine trees i believe were made for the game, all other trees except for the brand new tropical trees are asset bought.
twin vale
any more weird offtopic rants and people are going to get a warning.
oh, and all of the isle's latest environment assets are custom made (including both pines and the tropical pieces). now, back to theories.
sleek temple
oh
wrong one
just rewrote what the top right death screen words say
some of it i couldnt read so i just did a _ over it
woeful chasm
Vat 443... could that reference to b443 magna Rex specimen?
sleek temple
theres alot of references to 443 tbf so probably
but what does it have to do with being revived?
does magnatyrannus have a revival proprety to it
woeful chasm
B442 and b443 were both killed in operation inferno but their samples and algorithms were saved
It could refer to bringing it back for replication?
sleek temple
but this is our death screen not its
also for some reason
the order of the messages are bottum to top
woeful chasm
Oh well that screws with my theory lol
sleek temple
petabytee
big
-gttc-ctcg-aggt-tgct-agct-tcga-aggc-gcgt
-tggc-gcgt-tcga-agtc-ggac-tgac-gtac-tca
-gctc-cgcc-cgca-atcg-gcta-tcag-cgga-tgcg
-tcga-agcc-ggac-tgac-gtac-tcga-gcta-tcta
that tca is meant to be tcga
wonder what type of code thats in
woeful chasm
Not sure
icy onyx
I am trying to blast it atm
sleek temple
whats ya get?
sleek temple
a plant epic
icy onyx
Zea mays
icy onyx
yeh, tbh ton of plants
sleek temple
what does this mean
icy onyx
probably most common are different Oryza's
sleek temple
plants in a revival sequence
icy onyx
CYC049C09_T7 Common carp BAC library Cyprinus carpio genomic clone CYC049C09, genomic survey sequence
This one is intruiging
woeful chasm
Maybe part of the concoction?
woeful chasm
That make the replicator work
twin vale
what's blast..?
icy onyx
Yep
twin vale
it's nice to see that a bunch of gibberish actually meant something. i just typed GTCA in varying random combinations for a lot of that. only more recently started putting a fair bit more research into it.
edgy pike
icy onyx
woeful chasm
Hahaha
sleek temple
thats so sad
boreal river
Has anyone tried cracking the code in the loading screen when you boot up the game? I might be late to the party but it's worth a shot to see if it's been done before
twin vale
youdidn'tsaythemagicword
boreal river
what is this magic word?
balmy cape
@twin vale sorry about that, it definitely wasn’t the right thing to do, I feel pretty dumb Rn
worthy rune
Gibberish dont have meaning.... fix your paradox Dinosauriac
icy onyx
When you open The Isle there’s a red text at the bottom of the main menu for less then a second, anyone know what is this?
feral pond
Just the game running hardware checks and vetting if you can run the game. It disappears almost immediately once the checks complete and the game verifies you’re up to spec, nothing more.
wooden lily
icy onyx
the game freezes for me after like 2 secs.always the same screen freeze at the same time,been for a while now
icy onyx
@woeful chasm
woeful chasm
@celest rose this channel is for isle lore/theories only not general discussion.
celest rose
mighty abyss
I knew it
naive tulip
Do y'all think
Herbivores can only eat certain plants becuase like the Jurassic Park logic of the treated plants they need to eat?
keen creek
It could be a possibility, herbivores in time will be able to eat more plants but it will always be limited to a certain amount. In lore it could be explained by the fact that perhaps either most dinosaurs are selective feeders as some herbivores are or that they can only digest a certain number of modern plants.
woeful chasm
Won’t quite work based on JP since we can be male or female 😛
icy onyx
@woeful chasm Well dinosaurs in JP did also breed.
keen creek
I guess in this case it wasn't a problem since it seems they wanted to release them and not keep them in a park where controlled breeding would be needed.
marble canopy
scenic scarab
I think this means AE is artificially creating different types of people, primitive and modern (gen 1 and gen 2), to test and improve the future dinos in the aspect of combat
and strains are experiments that AE created to test how these new dinos fare in battle against other dinos and people. testing their ferocity, longevity, durability and power
icy onyx
I think it's referring to a gen 1 Dinosaur
edgy pike
If the human gen stuff is true then perhaps gen 15 is the old cannibals? There's another tweet about how by the 15th cycle they'd turned into something
Can't really rememebr
icy onyx
Well there is also this: N̷͛̎O̶͌̌V̸̍̐A̸̓̓.̵͑̏ ̸̅̈Ǹ̷̟E̵̓̓Ȯ̶̏.̷̍͝ ̴̔͝M̸̌ͅÁ̸͒G̸͐̚N̵͊̀Ȧ̵̛.̵́̕
Now it has neo, which is well explained in the transmission
serene vigil
https://the-isle-dinosaur-game.fandom.com/wiki/Strains here is (almost) everything about it
serene vigil
true
gilded onyx
Can I ask about the opening of the mouth though, like Hypo giga and spino
icy onyx
First line of wiki: "Strains are in-development mutations that tier 4 carnivores can unlock by surviving long"
Now, we dont know how to unlock strains
And am quite sure utah isnt t4
and yet has strain
chilly dock
iirc that wiki is pretty out of date with a lot of the pages.
blissful willow
honestly I dont think its ever been in date
icy onyx
From the very beginning its been littered with false info
and it stemmed purely for the want to have a wiki
not the need
molten valve
barren kelp
i linked it in #videos-and-streams if youre interested, doesnt belong in theory chat
icy onyx
@mighty abyss Neo stands for new
icy onyx
Still they wouldn't include Neovenator, when they have Allosaurus and Ceratosaurus
@mighty abyss But there is also Nova Neo Magna
I suppose Magna is magnarex, Nova is for Novaraptor, sooo
mighty abyss
It could also be updated models and animations, ie rex
Which could carry over into something like an almost class war between older generation rexes and newer ones or something
An experiment to see which genes are the best
or it could be neovenator
keen creek
If the utah was to be renamed (which for now seems unlikely) Neoraptor could be an interesting name.
dusk axle
Indeed, im not willing ti call that raptor a Utah if it sound and looks like a nova...
edgy pike
@mighty abyss you're trolling right?
mighty abyss
never
woeful chasm
Only serious posts here folks
naive tulip
So the game has mentioned tribals, right? And Mercs, and the way I see it those two eras are mutually exclusive, especially on an island where a company places dinosaurs, so its just two things I wanna ask and discuss
Are the Tribals genetically altered and created humans?
And what is the purpose of the Mercs on the island?
icy onyx
Well for mercs pretty easy. You have quite a lot of killing machines running around the island
And now, yes you could send scientists to the island to moniter em and stuff but they would be slaughtered
Mercs are well, able to actually defend themselves
naive tulip
But what is it they are doing? Why are they needed? It seems like a needless loss of life, after all Mercs usually aren't scientists and wouldn't be able to properly study the assets
icy onyx
well, all assests seem to have a chip in them
but a big but
What if the dino gets born on isle through nesting
How do you get said chip to monitor it in it
Also the human structures there will always need maintanence
naive tulip
Thats very true, thats very true, thank you for all that
So what about the Tribals? What are they all about? Do you think they are indigenous?
naive tulip
Oh hecc thanks chief, great points about the Mercs btw, I guess it does make sense
zealous sage
So what’s the general consensus here on the tribals, their mutant humans right?
icy onyx
Tribals are yea some mutated humanoids and called cannibals whilst the blind bois are now unknown. We just know the look of blind bois
icy onyx
The cannibals and Tribals are the same
icy onyx
That's what they just said.
naive tulip
So the whole strain thing, do we know how much tribals can interact with them? Can they become some weird human strain things?
If so, why?
What even are the strains?
Like not "what are the types" i mean like are they genetic experiments? What are they?
keen creek
In theory they are enhanced versions of the base dinosaurs each strain based on developing a certain area or sense. Hyperendocrin dinos have hyperdeveloped endocrin systems that have made them larger and more strong at the cost of needing more food to satisfy their accelerated metabolism.
naive tulip
But is it natural or an induced enhancement?
echo gazelle
The environment could very much be real. Just things such as vegetation and perhaps even the waters/streams could have been tampered with by AE to keep the Dinosaurs at bay. Since it's known Human Consciousnesses are within the mind of a Dinosaur, maybe everything the Dinosaurs need is treated as some kind of medicine, Apollo is a healer but can bring a deadly plague.
Think of it this way, you are a person trapped in a body that controls itself but you can control its needs and desires. Each thing we consume could be a serum to keep us from escaping the current life we live. All just speculation though, I sound crazy. 😅
slow delta
Nope
placid harness
what if the dinosaurs are just grossly mutated humans lol
keen creek
"Human Consciousnesses are within the mind of a Dinosaur".... wait wut?
oak pumice
"grossly mutated humans" would explain the broken wrists on the future utahraptor
am i cool and edgy yet for nitpicking minor details in a science-fiction dinosaur game
echo gazelle
@keen creek
keen creek
uuuuh...ok
this is...something
so if I understand correctly, people volutarily put their consciousness in dinosaurs, for reasons, but if that's the case where does the dinosaur's "consciousness" go? In fact wouldn't the tranfer of a humans mind be too much for a dinosaur brain to handle? Wouldn't the human mind break or be damaged by being in a such a dissociative state? Wouldn't the dinosaur's inctincts overwrite the rational mind?
echo gazelle
There's so much we do not know. Most the lore is still held within dondi's brain. I would love to explain how this is all done but that's the thing, we do not know. There have been a lot of theories about it but we won't truly know until they decide to reveal it.
crimson mesa
A small part I have in mind is that they transferred criminals and people who are sick and dying into the minds. So almost like saving the lives of the dying people but turning them into dinosaurs.
icy onyx
That's a cool concept.
keen creek
The sick and dying I can believe, the criminals however seem a bit counterproductive. It's like "yeah this guy killed an entire bus filled with grade-schoolers, let's turn him into a cool dino"
gilded obsidian
Turn him into a cool dino, bound to fight other cool dinos in order to stay alive, seems like a fitting punishement for criminals 
keen creek
but that's the same punishment a person who is dying or sick would get, and they don't deserve it
arguably, as it could be a sick or dying criminal
woeful chasm
@storm halo this channel is for serious discussion on lore and story for the game.
paper herald
If we’re going with the creepy route, transferring the sick and dying non-consensually into the dinosaurs would be more “twisted” than just criminals, which seems more stock and boring imo
crimson mesa
I think it would most likely be the sick and dying.
mighty abyss
I think the dinosaur's minds are still in there
At least, that's the lore explanation for affinity. You as a person might want to stick around larger carnivores for scraps, or other large herbivores for protection, but the trike itself might want to be alone, or the Utah gtfo away from a rex
And reverse, you might not want to stick with your own kind, but the galli does
waxen relic
that true
utah thouth is a pack carnivore thouth so dont think a utah would be alone unless u play the isle and is way too far away from your friends
stone crater
On the subject of Affinity and what I've heard about it, everything seems to point to the progenitors (for lack of a better term, the scientists behind the whole consciousness-transfer business) running some sort of test with these humans, dinosaurs, and human/dinosaurs. "We could not make them do as we wanted, so we convinced them that it was what they wanted", "You are controlled. You are conditioned. Repeating the same patterns is what they want you to do," etc., combined with "Everything is not as it seems," and "This is not the world as it is. This is the world as it was...," paints a picture of these outsiders, whoever they are, keeping us profiles locked in this artificial limbo so they can observe, monitor, and influence us. Now, what they hope to ACCOMPLISH with all this is, like most lore-related musings, up for debate. That's just the fun of being kept in the dark.
What I'm more concerned with at this point is just how far this concept of profiles extends into the game.
Every player is a profile, we've established that. Changing dinosaurs, hosts, whathaveyou does not change the profile, because we retain our memories from each of our previous lives when the Replicator pops us back out into the world in our new skin suit. I believe, back with the interview with the Console, it was heavily implied that the number of players was the number of profiles, but I didn't see this firsthand so idk. Then, what about non-playables? Is every AI Velociraptor, Psittacosaurus, Avaceratops, and Orodromeus another thinking consciousness, another profile? I don't think so. I believe they might be exactly what the devs have been referring to them as, all this time: AI. Why not? We've already established that we can plop a human consciousness into that tiny braincase, why not some computer code to give our artificial ecosystem some carnivore fodder? It would certainly explain why their behavior is so simplistic and faulty at times, almost as if they all have the same code baked into their brains. Walk, call, run if hunted/hunting, congregate around hungry predators. It would explain why they're all male: Why bother with breeding if the Replicator can churn out dozens of these things per profile in a day? And that odd, almost-but-not-quite-right way they move... Jittery, robotic... Ah, I had too much fun writing this, even though I know I'm just overanalyzing an unfinished feature!
keen creek
I'm more of the believe than rather than a computer simulation in lore it's supossed to be real life, and AI are actually "the real animals" meaning they are dinosaurs without a human conciousness guiding them. AI will be improved in time to be similar to players in actions and movements and that gives a bit of a clue towards their place in the game. The "We could not make them do as we wanted, so we convinced them that it was what they wanted" paints an interesting picture, the dinosaurs incstincts and behaviour are in a way trying to overwrite the human mind, if the human ignores that it causes a dissociative state in which mind and body don't work as one or it decreases it's fitness ending with the animal perishing.
Perhaps they have human brain scans or something stored in a database and that is our player profile within the game, as they put that scan in a new dinosaur once your previous dinosaur has died.
silent portal
Is it possible, that given the medical symbol that appears on this discords icon, the lore is, scientists wished to make advances in medical science, hence the labs, on a minimally populated island, hence the "tribal" option under humans. Eventually they found they could clone animals and ran tests on them to see if they couldn't find cures and strains to diseases and such however eventually making the Hyperendocrin strain of animal, larger and possibly even immune to illness, eventually breaking free and pulling a jurassic park, it's possible hyper dinosaurs may not feel the static from the buildings which were caused by humans to keep dinosaurs in check, releasing them into the wild where both tribal and modern humans have to survive an onslaught of raging dinosaurs
woeful chasm
Pretty sure that symbol is the company logo for Phoenix Corp
icy onyx
Ye
silent portal
My apologies I'm still rather new to the fandom
icy onyx
Also the staff isnt medical staff
Its a rod of hermes
Although to be fair, USA fucked up their staffs and confused Rod of Hermes for Asclepius
silent portal
Perhaps what's why I got mixed up
chilly dock
People always get confused with Asclepius and Caduceus 
icy onyx
Well technically Caduceus is the symbol of medicine in US
But it was because of confusing the 2
silent portal
I'll look into the lore a little bit more, past some things suggested and a theme park there really isn't too much incentive to clone dinosaurs
icy onyx
Also, in pinned messages, there is document and a website that have most/all of confirmed lore we have rn
grand sigil
So, I think the replicator is a device of some sort that transfers consciousnesses, or, in a broader sense, souls, to different AE assets @frail grove
The assets being dinosaurs, of course.
frail grove
Yeah that's what I've seen been pieced together so far
lean void
Kinda like how Abstergo works with DNA transfers in the Animus?
keen creek
In a way I suposse, though the DNA link between the human and the dinosaur has little to do with it, for obvious reasons
lean void
True. Lol be like Hammond, "Your ancestor was one of the first species to roam Earth as a sauropod. I'm connecting this device to let you see where you're from.. Hhmmmm.. a Puertasaurus.. Did not see that one coming. Disconnect and bring in the next one, Dr. Wong..."
paper herald
If they wanted medical, they could have easily just used humans, or any other living animal. Why go through the hoops to clone dinosaurs? Even when transferring consciousness, it would be easier to use living animals, as opposed to ones long extinct. I’m curious as to the motive here
twin vale
a couple of lines from the Jurassic franchise spring to mind.. "extinct animals have no rights... ...it exists because we made it, we patented it, we own it."
placid harness
They're GMO. They're property just like corn and bananas are lol.
Honestly yeah, what a loophole. If all natural animals are protected by laws and such, just make something that isn't tied up in legal strings.
I don't know if that even begins to describe potential ethical issues with AE, though lol
keen creek
...that actually makes sense
"I don't know if that even begins to describe potential ethical issues with AE, though lol" there's plenty to choose from, going back the JP lore many of this questions and ethics have already been explored, should this animals exist to begin with? what right do we have to bring them back? are they even the same animals that went extinct and not some mishapen mutants that happen to have a good chunk of DNA of the original creatures (spoilers, they are the latter)
and that is not taking into acount the conciousness transfer, for all intents and purposes that is human experimentation, a big ethical taboo
not only that but also what are they transfering, "conciousness" is still a deeply complex human concept, that it's sometimes very tied to the religious/spiritual concept of the soul
to say what AE are doing is just unethical is laughable at best
icy onyx
Any short summaries of the isle lore?
keen creek
God I wish they were
keen creek
Everything is so surrounded in mistery
mighty abyss
Do extinct animals have or deserve rights
Doesn't matter so long as nobody knows they're no longer extinct
distant ocean
Dondi says it's not but we all know he's lying to us
carmine marsh
the new character creation room he showed on stream (before deleting it because secrets) confirms it, not to mention primal carnage is thanked in the games credits.
icy onyx
Also, operation inferno was getting assets from pheonix corp. PC
icy onyx
hypos?
tight magnet
not the channel to ask lol
hazy void
thick spear
So what’s the theory with the hypos and cannibles? Mutation? Sickness? A type of unknown super rabies?
icy onyx
AE doing experiments and fking up
grim snow
Theres always this one line in that intruiges me:
"One thousand lives. Thats how many you owe Apollo."
icy onyx
I think that's referring to Project Inferno
keen creek
What is Project Inferno?
echo gazelle
@keen creek I would suggest reading through Taterfi's website in the Pinned Messages. It's old stuff but pretty interesting.
boreal river
I’m thinking that Type dinos are created by consuming a certain animal that was created for the purpose. A random guess would be a genetically modified green lizard that, if you eat enough of, mutates your reproductive cells and therefore your offspring. It would also explain why there’s no herbivores that are Type dinos
high citrus
anyone figured out the morse codes in main menu?
carmine marsh
pretty sure it's in the document
high citrus
@paper herald i think the dinos were ment to be used for military uses. like shat military wouldnt want a giant lizard killing everything in its path.
carmine marsh
most dinosaurs wouldn't be useful in a war.
just a fact.
high citrus
it would be a lot more useful than just weak humans
and if you could engineer the dinos to be even more powerful and could take a lot of firepower and not get hurt then that would be even better
like the hypos
carmine marsh
i fail to see how a human with a ranged 50 cal weapon designed to kill from a distance isn't better than a large rex for example.
high citrus
well, maybe thats why they experimented with dinos, to test if they were any good in the battlefield. i mean humans with guns are gonna be implemented. and if any of them are any good against gund, which would be the most effective one?
guns**
carmine marsh
utahraptor i'd imagine.
high citrus
yea i would think that as well
quick and agile
wouldnt be able to resist a lot of bullets tho, maybe a hypo/tisso
carmine marsh
possibly herrerasaurus, most dinosaurs would be terrible in a war, the fact is, they're too big.
easy target, small teams of trained mercenaries with the right equipment would be able to track and kill your average rex, allo, etc.
which would have cost millions, or even billions, to make.
just not smart to use animals in war when you have better options.
genetically modified animals on the other hand, you could technically say they're unkillable, because they're not real.
carmine marsh
well yes, but again, they're genetically modified.
normal dinosaurs would be terrible in a war.
high citrus
yea of course
its not like im talking about reallife
im just trying my best to figure out why the hell youre stuck on an island with cannibals and other humans as a dino
icy onyx
Even then, hypers would be terrible in modern war
tanks, air strikes, drones
and even if tissos could hide their thermal image
radars
prisma oasis
neuros can emp
icy onyx
tbh production of emp is prolly cheaper than making a dino for it
prisma oasis
but a dino that can do it on command and repeatable would be cheaper in the long run
and this is the game world that dondi made so we can't challenge it
icy onyx
Tbh these types of weapons are usable against highly developed nations
And these nations often are allied with someone or are the someone who has nukes
so full out attack would only end in a first strike heading your way
prisma oasis
and hypers would be mostly anti-infantry over actual warfare
so assults on small out post would suit them best
icy onyx
which is by that point extremely expensive for such trivial task imo
and dont tell me hyper would survive new generation of infantry at weapons
prisma oasis
well we don't know the macket price for these dinos do we?
and bullet-proof hide so small arms yeah but like 50 cal is a no brainer anti hyper weapon
icy onyx
Todays price of cloning dead animal is extremely high. Now make it long extinct animal
prisma oasis
and modify them to be bigger so prolly 2-3 times the price
icy onyx
also with the infantry stuff, regular inf. squadron has at least 1 at soldier with rocket launcher
prisma oasis
yeah
icy onyx
So unless the hyper has jurassic world levels of plot armor
prisma oasis
but i would imagine the hypers be able to survive 1-2 shits with the rpg
depending on the dino
like the big three
giga, rex and spino
but carno and utah 1 shot for rpg
icy onyx
PG-7V1 has 500mm of RHA pen
icy onyx
So I dont see hyper taking that
prisma oasis
ok
icy onyx
and just walking through it
prisma oasis
well the hide could be very dense/thick
high citrus
do you have any theories tho? about the whole lore?
icy onyx
Tbh against just rpg, hyper could have chance to engage if it was engaged at about 150-200 m if it was able to close gap quickly enough
200 m has 51% probability of 1st grenade hitting target
woeful chasm
@icy onyx asking about the recode is not relevant to theories about the lore or story. This is your only warning.
high heath
All of the strains would be perfect for military use
The Hypers pretty much crush tanks with little effort, heal incredibly fast, can wipe out entire ecosystems
radiant tiger
Well if they can crush your tanks how are you gonna keep em under control?
feral agate
a single tank shot would kill a hyper. I dont think they are that useful for war
maybe they are tests?
slow condor
They ain't gonna be much use if you can't control them, that's one of the main reasons they would not qualify as good military assets.
unique holly
someone had once brought up how the neuros could possibly control the hypers
its really out there but its like, plausible.
high heath
@feral agate According to the documents, they heal from...pretty much anything. They had to create a specific weapon to stop the Hypers from healing, just to kill them
feral agate
hmmmm. kaiju level fuckery, then
icy onyx
Even if it can heal, what harm can it do when you keep blowing its legs off
feral agate
still, I cant see a hyper taking a tank shell center mass and just... walking away
high heath
A lot?
icy onyx
I doubt it would heal them faster then a 3rd gen mbt can reload
feral agate
maybe hypers are for anti infantry and light armor?
slow condor
We have nastier stuff than tank shells too
icy onyx
We are talking 10 seconds for it to heal off lost leg, get up, run up to the tank
high heath
A Hyper T.rex may be down for a bit, but if you blow off a Hyper Spinos legs, it'll claw towards you and rip your tank apart
icy onyx
again
I dont see it clawing towards tank faster than it reloads
and
Seeing lone tank?
Nahh
high heath
Mind you, this is if you see them coming
icy onyx
Smallest tank unit used by us in ww2 was 4 tanks and they always advanced with infantry
high heath
Hypers are surprisingly sneaky. You know how many times a Hyper rex has snuck up on players?
icy onyx
Air support? Always on hand
Drones with thermal imaging? check
Tanks with same tech? check
high heath
Also, this is AE. I assume they had things put in place if a Hyper got out of control
icy onyx
ngl, it wouldnt be effective against guerillas
feral agate
no heavy weapons, no air support
sleek temple
i could see in guerrilla
icy onyx
modern partisan warfare is hiding amongst local populace
sleek temple
but nothing else
high heath
Neuros, I assume, would be more helpful
icy onyx
so you would have to wipe out all civies
feral agate
as if AE cares for civilians
sleek temple
^
high heath
No.
high heath
Tyrannosaurus has incredible sense of smell. We are talking only one animals beats it. And that's a vulture
slow condor
Artillery and air-strikes with chemical weapons/white phosphorus
icy onyx
Napalm
feral agate
if neuros can be controlled, and they can control hypers
high heath
Though, this is if they got Hypers off the Island and if they used them for military
icy onyx
You wont get that shit off your rex
high heath
Isn't napalm...illegal to use?
sleek temple
chemical warfare is
icy onyx
Isnt killing civies Illegal?
feral agate
maybe neuro is ordered to take a small base. send in the tisso to assassinate shit, and hypers to blast the walls in
high heath
I mean, can't stop a Dinosaur chomping down on your scientists.
sleek temple
Hypers do have good armour
high heath
At least...not in a conventional kind of way
Which reminds me, any theories about the Tribals so far?
icy onyx
good armor, still dont see it stopping a PG-7V1 with 500mm of RHA pen
feral agate
hypers would be almost immune against small arms fire. if you can control it, it might be better in some situations then a armored car
sleek temple
well best for war would be Tissos
feral agate
maybe neuro
icy onyx
Still, even rebels always have at weaponry
sleek temple
Tisso cuz of sneakyness and agility
sleek temple
i guess controlling the weather would be op
feral agate
maybe the strains are tests to see if it can be made usefull
icy onyx
Tho if you wanted to use its EMP, you would have to send it alone
feral agate
maybe to create strains for humans?
icy onyx
Cause emp works on both sides
feral agate
send only strains
EMP blast, tissos assassinating heavy weapon guys, and hypers agrooing most of the attention?
icy onyx
So pretty much standart doctrine of disorientating them with artillery/airstrike preparation, sending in heavy combined arms attack from the front and then sending elite troops on the flanks to break the enemy thats focusing on the main attack?
feral agate
dinos dont have engines, so I guess more sneaky, and dinos aint human, so no lives lost
icy onyx
lot of cash lost
icy onyx
ngl, I see cloned dinos actually more expensive than just drones
slow condor
Imagine the upkeep
icy onyx
Also that
you know how much food would it take to keep a big force of dinos
Its a logistical hell
Logistic are the part where most military operation can fail just by not being properly supplied
feral agate
maybe strains are indeed just tests to see what happens as AE tries to make the perfect organism
unique holly
its where magnas come in
they're "perfected" hypers
less food with still as much aggression and power
icy onyx
Well, its still ton of food
sleek temple
reee
feral agate
arent magnas ''nature fighting back''?
icy onyx
Also, this kind of upkeed would require really big and really noticable supply lines
icy onyx
and you can just airstrike the shit out of the supply lines
And with no food, even tissos will starve
feral agate
ok, but, what about Human Strains?
icy onyx
Or eat your own troops
sleek temple
Gen 1 and Gen 2 of each strain and Magna exist
feral agate
a bullet proof monster with human intelligence
icy onyx
Soo uhh, it gets ptsd
sleek temple
Cant tissos just eat the humans?
slow condor
Also, what's up with the mind transfer fuckery? Is that actually a thing here?
high heath
So, no theories on the Tribals
feral agate
thats why I think unconventional warfare, less risk of supply being fucked
icy onyx
All we known is that tribals = cannibals and blind bois =/= cannibals
unique holly
like militarized dinos seem plausible until you think about food lmao
icy onyx
also, unconventional warfare is maybe even more supply based
Because guerillas do attack those supply lines
to get resources for themselves
unique holly
the tribals are cannibals
icy onyx
lemme link the vid by catbug
high heath
No, no, I mean
We've been calling them Cannibals
But we don't know how they've appeared?
Or are created?
icy onyx
nope
unique holly
they looked fucked up
unique holly
like some type of incest bred shit
feral agate
perhaps the strains on dinos are just animal testing of the strains
so they can move to human testing?
unique holly
colossus
feral agate
we know nothing of those
unique holly
he was a human, wasnt he?
icy onyx
They were humanoid
but not human
Or maaaybe strained humans, but deforemed to not human
high heath
Those things are definitely Humans...or some time of Hominid
feral agate
maybe human animal hybrid?
feral agate
it did
high heath
We do have tail bones
icy onyx
also that
feral agate
we cant ignore the probability of some super natural shit going on
high heath
Humans are apes, so it makes sense that climbing in the Cannibals would be possible...
unique holly
yeah cannibalism has always been like, really relevant in this game
i remember back when, it was planned so that if you ate another of your species, you turned stark white
icy onyx
Good thing my utah with which I kill other utahs is albino
high heath
According to some things, plants can change things in Humans and Dinosaurs
So I assume strains come from one type of plant
Could be where the cannibals come from
high heath
Dondi said some will grab you and slowly digest you
unique holly
or like, if a herbivore eats a hyper plant, gets eaten by a rex, and then that rex becomes a hyper
icy onyx
Thats imo too easy
People could just make infected herbi on their alt
And then kill it
and become free hyper
feral agate
what if AE is just throwing shit against the wall to create something? not for profit, but for other reason?
icy onyx
Well
unique holly
i mean
icy onyx
Isnt replicator collecting data
unique holly
it would be lots of just, wasted money
feral agate
the matriarch?
icy onyx
trying to find the perfect one
feral agate
The Perfect Organism tm
sleek temple
replicator did do sometin to magna it seems
feral agate
maybe AE is not just a company looking for profit, maybe a bit cult-ish?
feral agate
you become goo
unique holly
cultish would be sick
high heath
Cultish? What is this, Dead Space?
unique holly
i mean
a lot of the stuff in the game seems very like
religious
there was once a pic posted with people like, praying to the hyper spino
feral agate
maybe the collosus, the echidna and reaper 'evolved' naturally because of something, maybe some super natural shit. and AE is trying to find it, make it, or something else
maybe something to do with the extinction of the dinos? maybe thats why they use dinos for testing?
woeful chasm
Echidna is a Neuro human, the only one
feral agate
I think there is something super natural at hand
feral agate
then again, shit might have changed
unique holly
yeah, thats true
high heath
I mean...an admin just said a strain was Human, so I assume the other two are Humans too
feral agate
the problem is that the ''original strains'' ,or whatever, are super old, barely any info on them, so we dont even know if it didnt change
high heath
So, the Cannibals with echolocation
Do you think it'll be super advanced, like the Future Predator from Primeval, or more like Clickers from The Last of Us
bleak shore
i think it will be like bats
dapper tree
Echolocation, so Clickers.
high heath
The Future Predators have echolocation too. Theirs is so advanced they can hear heartbeats. Clickers are more like bats, which I assume is how the Cannibal will hunt
mighty abyss
It could be things like infrared or ultraviolet
bleak shore
bats use laryngeal echoloaction(most microchiropterans atleast—old world fruit bats use clicks and wing flicks to orientate and navigate but not hunt)
paper herald
I’d say the cannibal would have a less polished echolocation, as it’s an artificial creature
plucky gate
whats ur thoughts on the New AI system guys
quartz sundial
@plucky gate this channel is for talking about the lore, not gameplay stuff. You would want #401464048610312195 to talk about ai
high heath
So, the dinosaurs are natural on the island, right?
high heath
I see.
keen creek
Some more than others but yes, every single one of them has been created and are not natural. You could argue if they are even dinosaurs at this point.
wraith nova
Also model update that happens from time to time is clearly perfecting AE assets to match what we know about real creatures, since not only dino eill be there.
woeful chasm
Cleaning up non-theory discussion
keen creek
yes this is indicated by the fact they call each model a "revision" followed by a number, each new version being an improvement over it's predecessor
not necesserily more accurate, but more functional as an animal
icy onyx
i think the creature that the people called the cannibal (confirmed not to be the actual name) was created to be a perfect stealth weapon but the creature may or may not be the complete version they wanted (it may be a failed specimen) as in the fact it has no eyes.
high heath
Well, it lives in caves, climbs incredibly well, has amazing hearing.
I don't think it's a failed experiment if there is more than one
sleek temple
its also meant to be super fast
glossy walrus
nightmare fuel
wary anvil
dapper tree
After the hypos, they might have built creatures with a "failsafe" so we could at least have a chance to stop them if a few escaped containment
wraith nova
Hypos will quickly starve and dieif there's no enough food
serene wadi
Good things take time sadly
loud river
He's posted that in like 3 channels lmao
grim snow
Its not part of this game's lore.
shell grove
what if the dinos were a simulation like a vr game for scientists. they created dinos to learn how they lived and their natural behavior was input into the dinos AI. so when we're near radio towers the signal gets distorted thats why our screens get all that static... the signal to the dinos POV is being distorted, the text we see are error messages? O 3O
icy onyx
Nope, pretty sure its all irl
keen creek
"they created dinos to learn how they lived and their natural behavior..." seeing how they are not even the same animals they are based on and they are being controlled by people I doubt it
fringe flame
could the "canibles" be part dino
gilded onyx
likely not
as dinosaurs are diapsids
whereas the cannibals are on the opposite side of the Amniote family tree, they look more humanoid
icy onyx
This doesnt seem as a serious post...
I mean it could be true if they would work together
thick spear
So with the possibility of cannibals, and they are in the aviary, is there a threat of them getting out? And are they in other places on the Isle? And also with the hypo dinosaurs it means they could be slowly mutating. If humans come into play will they turn into cannibals too after a while? Or do they have to be bitten?
quartz sundial
Please keep posts in here serious
high heath
I wonder why the scientists would see Oro or any of the smaller animals viable to clone
Usually, things like Deinosuchus or Utahraptor would be great in different areas
placid harness
Mass produce nutritious food for the ones you're actually going to use.
wraith nova
They seem like nothing but food compared to most predators, but small creatures like that have interesting way of survival and that could be why all small dinos are cloned.
echo gazelle
Yeah, each Dinosaur's survival capability could be replicated and submitted hence why we play as them. Then AE probably creates an organism based on user submitted data.
viral shoal
hi
broken grotto
small creatures need more research but less resources. they are harder to understand biologically and hard to remake, but they need less food, less nurturing costs (like a smaller incubator, etc) and are easier kept in captivity. (like keeping a chicken and keeping a elephant, you can guess what's easier).
so that's a good viable option who Oro's and other smaller animals are viable clone specimens in my opinion
shrewd tundra
and less expensive compare to the bigger ones\
keen creek
Smaller animals tend to breed faster and require less food. Perhaps aside from the research that was done with them they were created in preparation for larger carnivores
scenic scarab
crazy theory: AE is real, and they're advancing the AI to control their dinosaurs by showing it off as a cool dino survival game.
icy onyx
@scenic scarab Just to warn you, this channel should be serious only. I think banana bois could slap you for this
scenic scarab
I mean to be fair I am seriously considering this to be an actual meta theory
icy onyx
ok then
scenic scarab
that in the TI universe AE is in fact doing this
cause the ui looks like some sort of primitive computer ui (obviously made to look good for us)
icy onyx
tbh I think its a control console somewhere on the isle itself
its all mossy and overall looks exposed to outer world
woeful chasm
Why do you think your client makes typing sounds in game... 
scenic scarab
yeah kinda my point, bot not exactly
mighty abyss
the typing sounds are the government taking your computer's data obviously
abstract orchid
Hello
question does anybody know how to make the skin of the jurassic park 3 rex in the isle I would appreciate it if you could send a pic or something
feral pond
Hello, you are in #isle-lore-theories ! The channel you want is most likely #401466138208370689 or the more general #401464048610312195 🙂
abstract orchid
Oh ok thank you
lucid mauve
im new to the game where do i start and what do i need to know at start
high heath
Anyone notice that some of the species in Primal Carnage transferred to the Isle in one of the transmissions
Why haven't we talked about that?
Like, any theories about why they transferred or what they'll do with the transferred species?
mighty abyss
We've talked about that on length before
But basically: their genetic code is missing so don't expect any actual pc animals, and the remaining code was used for other animals like the rex
high heath
I see
gilded onyx
I'm genuinely really curious about the placement of "Tribals" in the isle.
I have no clue on what their background is, are they native to the island? are they experimental?
Just who exactly are the tribals
high heath
They sounds natural
placid harness
I wanna know where we are in the timeline of Primal Carnage, if it's directly connected as implied.
I'm going to assume we're quite a bit into the not so distant future, considering the level of technology we're at.
high heath
Primal Carnage is in the semi-future
Far enough where cloning is advanced enough to create dinosaurs, but Humans still use modern day vehicles and weapons
twin vale
i would say Primal occurs well before The Isle.
placid harness
Yeah, things are not as advanced back in PC. If you've seen some of the stuff going on around the death and loading screens in The Isle, you'd know they have enough power to casually transfer the data equivalent to that of a human brain (which is a TON)
I'm sure plenty of people have seen them too, it's been discussed here before I believe.
But yeah, with equipment like that, which isn't even visible to the naked eye, they're either using some crazy simulation type tech or are working with something that is seriously on the cusp of godlike power.
But... with all this capability, why is everything in disarray yet again? What is it about this island that keeps making everything succumb to chaos? Are the dinosaurs fighting back? Is the Isle itself fighting back? Why is AE so hesitant on moving their larger game pieces in and insist on mercenaries? Man, so much I have to think about.
twin vale
the narrative really hasn't been revealed very much, and there's a fair few things that have been tweaked over time with the backstory, so.. understandable that it can be hard to figure out.
placid harness
It's that shade of mystery about this game that's driving me insane. There's dinosaurs walking around with derelict human structures and once in a while we'll see something really, really unnatural. I really do wonder what we're gonna be tasked with doing on this weird set of islands once mercs actually arrive.
Maybe history is just repeating itself and we're going to have to look further back to find answers.
Either way, I'm looking forward to when more stuff is actually revealed, whenever that may be.
high heath
Same
slow delta
same
jolly brook
Same
icy onyx
Ngl, I am looking forward to everything getting utterly over analyzed
viral shoal
Just like modern animals, Dinosaurs would of ranged in sizes and some could be naturally stronger or faster, hense mabey even better sight or smell but i could see the isle adding a mechanic where some could be stronger than other of the same species
icy onyx
do the dinosaurs really have human brains or is it just a theory?
icy onyx
Well
imagine you are forced into dinosaur body
and they exeperiment on you
you would like to take your revenge
wouldnt you?
carmine marsh
just because they have human brains doesn't mean they're educated at all.
they could just have human minds, wiped clean.
advanced human brains in an animals body, wouldn't understand any known language or anything about humans.
sleek temple
though
dondi said if you keep loosing affinity on purpose
it said it u wont get any positives or negatives
and id assume u would loose affinity for befrineding mercs
high heath
Also, who says the Mercs are going to be friendly
For all we know, they could be arriving to exterminate any dinosaur they see
icy onyx
there are probably gonna be 2 types of mercs - freshspawns with no gear that will try to hide and those that have guns and be willing to blow your brains off
grim snow
The two types of mercs, could be a part of lore. The ones willing to blow your brains off could be AE attempting to wipe the Phoenix's mercs while surviving the isle. While the ones with no gear are spies or thieves from phoenix that came to the Island to take samples of AE's dinosaurs. Especially the quetz's DNA and data.
placid harness
Wouldn't be surprised if AE orchestrated breakouts while Phoenix still held most of the Isle's capital.
I guess they didn't anticipate to release some of the worse things within.
twin vale
doubt
placid harness
inb4 i'm overthinking it an AE is literally just rebranded Phoenix
icy onyx
if so, why did ae "aquire" assets from phoenix
placid harness
Not sure if all the lore from that console stream holds up.
Could just be as simple as a rebranding to some sort of operation to reclaim stuff from a derelict Phoenix.
high heath
Could be that AE simply bought the company from Primal Carnage
It happens in the real world
Captured assets could help make the dinosaurs currently on the island
Anyone know what dinosaurs they got exactly?
placid harness
Assuming they did take them, they could have taken all of them.
eternal tide
Say
What happened to the lore tweets
It’s been an... awful... long time.
Is the lore/story being redone again as a part of the recode?
hollow sluice
eternal tide
Give us something neat for halloween if the cards line up aces
If not then we’ll be waiting
woeful chasm
Getting a little offtopic
eternal tide
Does asking "Where do the animals and humans of Primal Carnage Occur within the isle if the isle occurs well after primal carnage" sort of fall back on topic?
or is it something we could not possibly know?
We know, for example, that the magna-rex is indeed primal rex (or at least a very close approximation of it)
woeful chasm
That's fine, we were drifting into recode territory 😛
eternal tide
Do the Scientist, Commando, the pathfinder, the trapper, and the pyromaniac still live in this world?
Or are they dead?
icy onyx
inb4 some mercs went rogue and they got turned into tribals by echidna... this totally isn't my two minute theory I crafted together in hopes of contributing something to the game.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/522957678226571265/638198213232427018/image0.jpg
also gen 1 is in same place as mercs! that has to mean something! 😄 (?) (no)
woeful chasm
If so you would think it would be reversed cause mercs are more evolved then tribals...
icy onyx
:ashamed:
woeful chasm
UNLESS the mercs are slightly modified human subjects and tribals were messed with much more
eternal tide
Some food for thought is that iirc, Magnas defenses against humans and biologically engineered strains (such as the hypers)
But also that Magna-rex is Primal Rex which was in opposition to the humans of Primal Carnage
So in theory there's a Magna-type of Pteranodon, Utahraptor (or novaraptor/magnaraptor?), Dilo (possibly monster dilo referenced to be able to spit in the don stream?), and Carno
That is unless you count the extinction animals which adds to their number...
eternal tide
We do know there's a lot of shuffling behind the scenes ATM so I wouldn't be so sure
Although there might be merit given the fact that primal carnage occurs in the past and there are no tribals in that game
Just Mercs.
slow delta
well primal carnage may be taking place in a different place entirely
wasnt its area completely obliterated with operation inferno anyways, so there would be nothing left behind so tribals couldnt have appeared
high heath
If I recall, some of the old Human bases seem to be stocked with old military gear, so, maybe the Mercs are here to reclaim the data and equipment
lilac barn
I believe that as well D’Art that they are eventually going back to take what had to be abandoned
high heath
It would make sense.
You spent a crud ton of money, get chased off the island...you'd definitely want your stuff back.
spare rivet
Don't forget Magna Spino, considering GTTC...in old PC.
icy onyx
What about hypo utah after all that is being made as we speak
feral agate
this chat is for me to theorize that the mercs are actually clones with false memories being used in testing
gentle elk
k
feral pond
Theory unrelated to lore, cleaning up irrelevant chatter. Read the channel description. 
high heath
So, anyone got a theory on why the dome was built?
random talon
Experiments perhaps
placid harness
which dome?
fickle isle
The aviary
feral agate
wonder what the aviary is for...
high heath
I mean, it is huge, sauropods look tiny next to it.
feral agate
I'm pretty sure an aviary is for flying stuff
but now v3 is going kaputz so meh. maybe it returns on Hope
woeful chasm
I think dinosauriac said they probably would
modern tangle
wait what
theyre removing v3/
i thought they would remove thenyaw
thats cool ig
thenyaw is goood map
v3 is ok maap
woeful chasm
Getting offtopic and should move to #401464048610312195
distant ocean
Either that or thenyaw is being replaced by a new, but similar sized map
undone thorn
who are 'phoenix mercs'?
sleek temple
mercs that work for phoenix corp
high heath
Yeah, the guys who work for the company in Primal Carnage
The company also exists in The Isle
tranquil galleon
Phoenix corp?
Phoenix International
sleek temple
i saw that
icy onyx
the unknown creatures(cannibals)are probably humans turned into one by Echinda
random talon
What is Echinda
stray pewter
have a feeling the cannibals have the same story as wendigos have, eat human flesh and end up transforming into a man eating forest demon
icy onyx
somewhere in there dondi talks about how it was for us to suppose a way of unlocking which will never happen
@stray pewter
plain gale
I wonder what happened to the person who "logged in" a while back
icy onyx
What is the tissoplastic reaper supposed to be
and the Hyperdoncrine colossus
Extinct
sweet zephyr
@icy onyx think PC:E, Gen 1 being early design, Gen 2 being updated design.
Oh shit that timing.
woeful chasm
I believe reaper is no more
icy onyx
It’s a cool concept tbh
frail grove
Yeah reaper is gone because tissos are getting redone conceptually
white sparrow
Looks like Man-bat
frail grove
Name might stay but no one knows
proper steppe
@ember flame @foggy mango
I'm not saying the entire world of the isle is somehow affected by your turning off the game
ember flame
I'm really confused
proper steppe
I'm saying that the incredibly small aspect of the world that you directly control is affected by you turning off the game
When you turn off your game, you turn off your profile
that ai or whatever it is is no longer active
foggy mango
I am not having this discussion, I already stated why what you said isn't valid at all
ember flame
basically
proper steppe
you've just squinted at me and ignored my argument, raven
icy onyx
What is herp trying to say here Rav?
foggy mango
You try to indirectly anchor turning off your game into lore
That's not how this works
ember flame
well you could say your profile is inactive
proper steppe
you do not know that
icy onyx
With how the game is set, you never get to turn off your profile
proper steppe
that's what I'm saying, Dr Autist