@merry quiver Something like that, but instead think of it as our minds are connected to a Dinosaurs, we have no full control, we are conditioned and whatever choices we make can determine our endgame. We can very well control the Dinos and do what we want ourselves but who's to say someone else isn't conditioning our minds to be a superior dinosaur or should I say specie with a far more enhanced reaction timing, logical thinking and combat equipped. A human mind attatched to one of the most dangerous species to ever live is a deadly weapon.
#isle-lore-theories
echo gazelle
merry quiver
@echo gazelle it is but if u use it the right way can take over where ever u r
imagen riding a Trex
wraith nova
@merry quiver it's better than ridding T Rex, you are T Rex. You control that dinosaur with you mind, think your brain is in dinosaur and someone want you to become superior one without going too much outside of typical behavior for that animal
merry quiver
ah k
lapis cradle
dusty warren
As it has been speculated before that Primal Carnage and The Isle both share the same universe. This has been theorized as the "Type-M" Tyrannosaurus Rex in The Isle looks just like the one in Primal Carnage. I think that there once was a financial war between Phoenix International (The company in Primal Carnage) and Apollo Engineering (The company in The Isle). We know that both games provide this "Jurassic Park" feel, where the dinosaurs have broke loose of their restraints. The Isle portrays this "Site-B" idea while Primal Carnage portrays a "Post-Breakout" idea. Both companies "create" dinosaurs for assets, these assets are studied and knowledge obtained about them can be sold. Phoenix International studies genetically altered dinosaurs, testing things such as appearance (This would explain the lack of dinosaurs in Primal Carnage, yet would explain all of the skins and variations of a type of dinosaur). Apollo Engineering would study the behavior of dinosaurs en masse, seeing how they would have worked millions of years ago. (This would explain all the different kinds of dinosaurs that look natural in The Isle).
However, one thing is very obvious. That Apollo Engineering is FAR bigger than Phoenix International. We can see this based on assets and occupied territory that both companies own, this being map size. Due to Apollo Engineering being larger than Phoenix International, we can also assume that Apollo Engineering creates genetically modified dinosaurs and sells them to Phoenix International. This would be the Type-H series but mostly Type-M series. However, it not too off to assume that Apollo Engineering keeps some of the genetically modified dinosaurs that they create for their own research, this mostly being the Type-H series. This may be due to the fact that Phoenix International has failed to secure their dinosaurs in containment, meaning that trade deals are temporarily or even permanently nullified. As we know, cannibals and other monster-like creatures have been mentioned before. These might be genetically altered humans and animals created from scratch that are being studied. Perhaps this is to test the limits of scientific research or even continue the research that Apollo Engineering failed to do properly. I got most of this idea from MeatyLock, so I wont take all of the credit.
Just an idea that is based around MeatyLock's video.
mighty abyss
Actually, Phoenix sold the dinosaurs/technology (and probably the entire company) to Apollo following/during the cleanup, seen with Apollo having to replicate the Novaraptor; if they created the nova and sold it to Phoenix, why would they have only partial genetic data on it?
What Apollo planned for the dinosaurs is unknown: Phoenix made them for war (the desert skins have the description along the lines of "made for desert warfare", plus the T.rex being larger than the actual animal)
Phoenix had about 20~ dinosaur species, plus a few other extinct reptiles
woeful chasm
I still don’t believe they were sold
If that were the case they didn’t need to kill anything
dusty warren
🤔
woeful chasm
Why have an entire code name operation if it’s just a buyout or sale?
And how could 2 specimens die in the process?
mighty abyss
if they were going to steal anything they would already have a proper novaraptor
The Apollo requisition could only have happened after the extermination of the living dinosaurs, or at least following closely behind the mercs
woeful chasm
Acquisition does not mean a buy out or merger... we know the specimens were killed during Operation Inferno
And we don’t know anything lore wise about Mercs
halcyon stirrup
Funny enough I'm pretty sure the only thing Phoenix was selling was food products
barren kelp
wow, never noticed the phoenix phood one. that's from the soda/snack machine i assume?
halcyon stirrup
Yeah lol
Remember kids, if Pteranodon guano is in the ingredients list, it's toxic! THE EGG IS A LIE THE EGG IS A LIE THE EGG IS A LIE THE EGG IS A LIE
halcyon stirrup
isn't it lovely that almost everywhere there could possibly be a date listed they're just illegible characters.
This whole Isle timeline thing is seriously killing me
not only because I wanna know what mercs and such will look like, but also because it seems strangely unknown!
well
that helps answer my question
so turns out the game is at least later than 2014
echo gazelle
@halcyon stirrup ahh yeah, I completely forgot the Loading Screens mention a certain year. That's why I was saying it takes place in modern times. Those are super old but are coming back. They were removed temporarily due to font crashes or something. One of the interesting ones was the Incident Report.
halcyon stirrup
I honestly figured that the Isle Lore document should be the last place to look simply because it's been read through so many times and no one's ever really made the date feel very significant
well
at least now I will forever know
and feel bad that's it's not the date I wanted
echo gazelle
Ahh no need. I remember a while ago a Transmission said something about 1996. It's on Taters older Lore Website.
I also remember finding a store bought asset a while back that mentioned the Titanic sinking which was around 1912 and I overanalyzed, thinking The Isle could have possibly been set around that time but was wrong sadly. That's what this channel is for though. All different theories flow around here and they're all interesting.
heavy thistle
@dusty warren you can also hear similarities in the Acro that’s between primal carnage and The Isle, and hear shant 1 calls in the background of primal carnage.
mighty abyss
Holy shit this lore runs thick
Phoenix was using a face of being a foods company to disguise their real intentions? My god
icy onyx
Guys is that anything specific that gives us sound as evil laughing in game? I ve heard something weird
edgy pike
I thought the Phood thing was a joke Easter egg
mighty abyss
we will make it canon
dusty warren
So
-Phoenix makes dinosaurs for war
-Disguise them off the idea of a cereal brand
-They begin to make genetically modified dinosaurs
-They fail to properly contain them
-They sell their business to Apollo
-Apollo does it properly
-They make even more genetically modified dinosaurs
-Begin to genetically modify humans
-Mercs in Primal Carnage were part of the containment crew (Which failed thus leading to them selling everything to Phoenix)
That leads to the question on what mercs are used for in The Isle, these are some ideas.
-Population Control
-Kill off certain species (Cannibals)
-(Assuming they are in fact made for war) To test them against human combatants.
idle zinc
Being payed as a merc and sent to an island only to find out they sent you there to test their dinos on you would suck big time
dusty warren
Might have told the mercs that they're being sent for a containment situation, similar to Primal Carnage. In reality, they may be there to see how the dinosaurs would work in a wartime situation.
cerulean pasture
I was kicked from this server for theorising about the isle being flat, I came up with several reasons and arguments why, and was kicked. Can an admin or staff approve?
opaque crane
Joke theories and trolling is not allowed, serious theories only, which is likely why you were kicked. No one's going to believe that a theory like yours is actually serious.
It would generally be taken as trolling, considering the meme that flat earth has become
cerulean pasture
It was a serious theory, and I still stand by it, it answers a lot of questions that I myself quest when I play the isle
Thought you guys could an Epiphany as this yourselves
mighty abyss
you've got the companies backwards
if Phoenix were genetically modifying humans, why would Apollo need to? they've got a new subsidiary company doing it for them
woeful chasm
Uhhh you have it backwards there Peach... still not idea why people think one company sold themselves to the other... it makes 0 sense.
idle zinc
I'm pretty sure Apollo was the larger company and acquired assets from phoenix(obviously through violent means considering the deaths of specimens), not the other way around
woeful chasm
We really don’t know the size of either... I’d assume Phoenix is bigger because of the tech it made vs a smaller one, especially if it had a military contract
dusty warren
Yeah I got it backwards
yikes
you get the idea though
I'll fix it because it will bother me eternally
Also, whats the deal with the Utahraptor? I'v heard theroies about it but I still am kind of confused
woeful chasm
Yeah
Nova used to be a thing but isn’t anymore
I thought there was a magna raptor but maybe I’m confusing it. There is a Hyper utah though
modern tangle
looks sick as well
woeful chasm
Yeah strains are genetically modified
woeful chasm
Not “natural” versions
dusty warren
yeah
woeful chasm
And we have no idea how they will be obtained. Super rare, can’t grow.
dusty warren
hmm
yeah
So did Primal Carnage have mostly Type-Ms?
We know what the rex looks like
woeful chasm
Echidna is the human with the neurotonic strain
dusty warren
whole bases of the theory
woeful chasm
I think so
dusty warren
Ahh
So
Do you think Apollo and Phoenix once lived at the same time and Phoenix fell er..?
Was it different timelines
woeful chasm
I believe Phoenix started everything. Apollo wanted the tech for dinos and what not so they raised Phoenix in Operation Inferno, stoke the dna samples, algorithms, etc (killing the two magna tyrannus specimens in the process (saved their samples and such) and then created the Isle for experimentation
At some point they had a containment breach and lost the hypers and basically the island had to be evacuated (think Jurassic park kinda)
woeful chasm
We don’t know entirely what happened, where everyone is now, who is still on the island or running it
And whether people are still trapped on the island
dusty warren
That would explain the mercs I guess
woeful chasm
Have you looked at the pinned message website/linked video?
dusty warren
No I havent
woeful chasm
That should help quite a bit and reveal just how little we know 😉
dusty warren
Lol aight
woeful chasm
And how deep the lore goes
dusty warren
Where is it?
woeful chasm
dusty warren
Do you think Alphonse may have been the quetz Easter egg in Primal Carnage?
shut remnant
alphonse is quetz...
barren kelp
almost certainly
unless it were to get retconned or something
alfie, alphonse.. specimen alpha.. lots of names for him
dusty warren
God this lore jst got so much more cooler
for me, anyway
The website doesnt talk about the Type-Ms.
woeful chasm
Did you watch the video?
Actually you can search I think two more videos with a similar title
woeful chasm
Yeah has at least 3 summary like ones
idle zinc
I wonder if those two people are going to have any lore to them or if they're just unnamed people, the date on the bottom left could be the date that the hypers escaped containment and forced AE to evacuate
last charm
That's the artists name and the date completed
idle zinc
No rodrigo vega is someone with AE
He worked on the reapers from what I've seen
and we've seen the year 2014 in loading screens as well
opaque crane
Rodrigo vega just did art for the isle. He's got a deviantart page. I dont think he's necessarily part of the lore
echo gazelle
Vega is an old concept artist
opaque crane
Damn good artist
idle zinc
I'm looking at user inquiries, it mentions vega and how he worked on the reapers, perhaps it's an easter egg and they've named the character after the artist, we've seen stuff like that before in other games and movies
echo gazelle
I do think dondi wanted him as part of the lore but it was a while ago. I'm not sure if his stuff would be canon anymore considering PC may tie with Isle now.
idle zinc
AE came after(or maybe before, perhaps it started before and just stole phoenix assets later) phoenix corporation, the reapers are unaffiliated with PC as far as I know
tiny carbon
Vega is an IRL person who's name was added into the lore, yes. He's a real person who did art for the game, and you can search him up in the lore as Dr. Vega.
hollow violet
this lore just got so awesome
idle zinc
Now I'm trying to think of what Tartarus could be and what it's purpose is
AE seems to be quite into the greek gods, Apollo engineering, dino code names, olympus transmitter, Tartarus was basically the lowest depth of greek hell and where most of the titans were imprisoned. From what little information I have I believe Tartarus is where the information from profiles is recorded, stored, and distributed. Or it could be an actual physical location on another island, or a code name for one of the islands
just speculation, but whats your opinions?
woeful chasm
I think you’re on the right track but that is where the info ends 😛
idle zinc
I love games with mystery to them, I have such a great time trying to solve them
even if my theories prove to be completely off
idle zinc
I do think it would be nice if there's some story behind the two people in the picture above
I have a feeling that the date on the bottom left is both when the real life vega made the picture and the date that the event it depicts takes place
The water endurance loading screen mentions 2014, I believe that the hypers escaped sometime after that report because I'm guessing it happened during the development of gen-2 dinos and this report was made on gen-1 creatures(probably near the end of their stage and the beginning of the gen-2 dinos)
dusty warren
Not to mention Dr. Vega did the tests on human subjects, thus leading to the Reaper and possibly the other human-strains, which have little to no information about them.
So he is lore
woeful chasm
Like echidna?
dusty warren
Well
As I said, not much is known about the rest
but I would assume so
However
Dr. Vega coined his -FIRST SUCCESS- as "Reaper"
Seeing as how that was his -FIRST SUCCESS-, that implied that there are others
But, nothing is certain.
idle zinc
Console interactions with doctor chance say there are 12 active reapers, so I'm guessing they could be bosses found in deep underground facilities that allow you to become a tissoplastic strain dino, perhaps there are 12 ai reapers and if you play as a human there might be a way to become one
dusty warren
idk about bosses
idle zinc
not like a classical boss in an arena, but they'd be an obstacle
dusty warren
The other 11 could also be his other successes, and he may have nothing to do with the rest
"In the Dev Q&A Dondi said that on the Islands will be horrifying things ( probably Strain plants ).
Some will eat or melt you-"
I dont think anyone will be able to "Become one", as that would alter the lore.
You might be able to play a current one
idle zinc
but that would also alter any future lore
dusty warren
Well not really
being able to play as one that "Exists" would be special for the sake of "being actiove within the sector"
idle zinc
I have a feeling that all the lore and stuff will always be past tense, there were 12 reapers, and such
that kinda thing
dusty warren
idk,
All events that occur seem to happen very close together, so I dont think a large about of time as passed from one event to the next. I would assume "past" information is mostly relevant.
final perch
possibly tartarus is where they keep the strains? 
dusty warren
p e r h a p s
idle zinc
While it does say colossus is active within Tatarus, I don't think thats it
quartz sundial
icy onyx
If Tartarus was a place and colossus was contained there, it would be as far as greek mythology goes odd for it to be called colossus. While yes, it does fit with its size, only greek colossus I could find was Colossus of Rhodes, which was statue of god Helios. (although its true that Æ doesnt follow the mythology 100% accurately)
dusty warren
It seems that Dr. Vega was responsible for more strains than just Hyperendocrin judging by concept art. This being Tissoplastic and Neurotenic types as well.
https://the-isle-dinosaur-game.fandom.com/wiki/Strains?file=T._rex_strains_concept_art.jpg
However, Magna is still unknown from what I can tell.
Seeing as how the Type-M is a perfection of the Type-H, I would assume it was Dr. Vega who made the Type-M strains seeing as how he would know the most of the Type-H to perfect it.
gloomy olive
Managed to get a SS of one of the frames of the discord logo idk if it means anything but just in case I'll put it here
gilded salmon
Looks like a rex
sinful wraith
I think it's fan-made
it was a contest
so I don,t think it means much, but I may be wrong
frigid inlet
Icon wasn't a contest. It's just frames from the load up scene of the game. That one in particular is just inbetween as the AE logo fades out if I recall right. I added it in as some filler so the animation wasn't too fast, and so it didn't look too wonky going from AE to Logo.
woeful chasm
yeah someone asked about the discord logo when it first was changed and I think Dinosauriac responded that it was just 3 frames from loading or something.
hazy lake
any new info come through?
keen linden
nope
idle zinc
Weren't B-443 and B-442 Type-M? Those came from Phoenix corporation
severe lark
Correct
idle zinc
@dusty warren The hypo was also first a Phoenix asset, unless Vega was working for Phoenix but helped and transferred to AE during operation inferno I don't see how he could have created the magna or hypo strains, I only know for certain that he worked on and/or created the tissoplastic strain. And unless the date on that pic I showed way above is infact just the artists signature, he did study the hypos and probably the magnas
sleek temple
thing is
hypers were once kepted in Atrium C, aka PC-Contigency
which is a PC map
and a place that was once used to study large pterosaurs
but turned into a hyperendocrin holding site
yet as the lore says once our flying alphie quetz was turned into a hyperendocrin, they escaped and killed AE members
in the process of escaping
which suggest a working relationship between AE and Phoenix Corp
idle zinc
Well my guess is that AE took the hypo strain and reverse engineered their own, in this case the quetz
sleek temple
problem with that theory is that its the same quetz that escaped Atrium C the first time when it was a non hyper
the same one which Phoenix Corp was studying as it showed on the Board in the map
which may suggest a relationship between both companys
idle zinc
Wasn't the quetz one of the assets captured in operation inferno? Asset Alphonse?
It must have been recaptured and sent back to the atrium before AE came in and took stuff
vagrant dirge
god i need to keep up with these theories...all ik is that pheonix inc and AE where working together at some point.
or something like that
tulip delta
Is it possible to become a hypo by being next to one of the AE buildings as an adult rex by Hovering over each DNA strand and exiting the character menu and repeating this process until they are all selected? o maybe there is some DNA code that we must figure out which is encrypted somewhere in plain site ....
food for though ❤
try it .... made me wonder is it a glitch or dondi giving us clues
halcyon stirrup
I'm pretty sure someone would've managed to figure it out by now. They've definitely been given the time to. It's also been stated on a couple occasions that those slots by the DNA strand is for affinity for when it comes out later down the line. As of right now, they have no function.
tulip delta
mhh yeh fair point
halcyon stirrup
But hey, when you become a hyper and I'm sitting here dumbfounded, you have every right to shit on everything I just said
halcyon stirrup
dusty warren
I doubt AE and PC had a working relationship, seeing as how Operation Inferno took place
dusty warren
From what I have gathered, Phoenix was once bigger than AE and made dinosaurs for the sake of war production. They created a new species of raptor known as the "Novaraptor" and tested different camo types to suit different environments (This being the skins you could get from lootcrates). They hid their operations by making it seem they sold cereal (This has to do with the "Phoenix Cereal" joke, which I'm going to go ahead and count it as lore). It is also possible that most of the strains had been created by this point, as the TRex in the game is said to be the "Type-M", a perfection of the "Type-H" (This meaning the Type-H came before the Type-M). We know Dr. Vega did all the research in regards to the strains, so he was most likely working with Pheonix before Operation Inferno. AE and Phoenix once coexisted but they never worked together. Truth is, they were battling each other over assets and knowledge of those assets. AE was able to obtain many (if not all) Phoenix assets in Operation Inferno with the assistance of Lawrence Carter, the CEO of Phoenix. Why would a CEO want to kill his own company? No idea. However, seeing as how they were making dinosaurs for military use I would assume there was tension between his company and the military.
Also I think "Alphonse" is just a normal Quetz. You can find him flying around in PC as an easteregg.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7cyNXjpJI
sleek temple
thats if Type M is a perfection of Type H
which we dont rlly know what Type H comes from sadly
and those 2 rexes feel like Type M prototypes and the ones in primal carnage feel like Gen 1 Type M and not Gen 2
from what i can tell in the lore it talks about Type Hs having Gen 1 and Gen 2 meaning the Type H has been improving itself
CARNOTAURUS STUDIES ARE TO REMAIN ON SOUTHERN PLATEAU. DATA FROM ALL GEN-1 FAILURES ARE TO BE EXPUNGED ALONG WITH OUTDATED BIO-ASSETS IN (6 LETTERS). GEN-2 DISPLAYS INCREASED PHYSICAL APTITUDE AND METABOLISM. SUBJECTS STILL SUFFER FROM POOR EYESIGHT AND ROTATION DURING HIGH VELOCITY MOTION. TYPE-H DEVELOPMENT APPROVED BY (7 LETTERS). REPLICATE.
gen-1 failures
the magnas also have this if i remember correctly
ALL CASE STUDIES AS OF (10 LETTERS)-2014 HAVE SHOWN THAT ALL GEN-1 SPECIES CANNOT TREAD WATER FOR EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME. DUE TO SIZE ISSUES OF NEWEST TYPE-M SPECIMENS, ALL FURTHER AQUATIC BIOLOGICAL STUDIES WILL MOVED TO ATRIUM B (POD 4) UNTIL THE BAY LOCKE IS FINISHED DEVELOPMENT. REPORT ALL ENDURANCE TIMINGS TO DR. (10 LETTERS).
so i dont believe they are related
dusty warren
The idea that the Type-M is a perfection of the Type-H came from the wiki I think\
From the wiki:
"- The Magna-strain is the perfection of the endocrine system."
sleek temple
well thats just their guess
dusty warren
I suppose\
nocturne cosmos
Manga is a more natural versionof hypos I don’t think there actual strains
dusty warren
But the Isle Lore page doesnt talk about it that much
nocturne cosmos
If I remember right
dusty warren
There must be some modification
sleek temple
stick to the lore
dusty warren
Didnt just occure naturally
nocturne cosmos
From what I know there basically nature fighting back
sleek temple
i agree it couldnt have occured naturally but i think its just a different strain
since it says that they have Gen 1 Type M and Gen 2 Type M
dusty warren
It obviously a different strain, but as to why is really unknown.
nocturne cosmos
Why keep hypo around if you have a much better one
sleek temple
hypers escaped Atrium C after somewhile
dusty warren
sleek temple
the land ones
dusty warren
The bottom tweet shows that Thronebreaker and Alphonse were "deleted." Thronebreaker is the codename for the Hypo Rex and Alphonse is codename for the Quetz.
nocturne cosmos
That was one hypo there could be more
dusty warren
Thats the Type-M standing on the Type-H
nocturne cosmos
And I believe that hypo was starving or something or just a really lucky manga
Yeah but managa don’t go around curb stomping hypers
dusty warren
You're right
nocturne cosmos
Since hypers are much bigger
sleek temple
ja and have better armour
sleek temple
Type H is rlly smart though
dusty warren
The Type-H just eats everything
nocturne cosmos
The manga go lucky I’m definitely sure in killing that hyper
sleek temple
id assume Type M would also be at that smart level
dusty warren
Now that I think about it
I think the Quetz we see in the PC easteregg may have not been Alphonse
sleek temple
why not?
sleek temple
alphie used to be a normal quetz then got turned into a hyper and escaped for the second time
dusty warren
It is Hyper?
nocturne cosmos
Yeah
sleek temple
yah
dusty warren
I just assumed it was normal
nocturne cosmos
Nah it’s a hyper
dusty warren
How did you figure that?
nocturne cosmos
It says so
nocturne cosmos
Yeah
dusty warren
I suppose they wouldnt give it it's own Operative Designation if it was just a normal quetz
nocturne cosmos
They each have code names
dusty warren
All-Father (B-442 and B-443) (Type-M rex?)
Thorne-Breaker (Type-H Rex?)
Alphonse (Quetz)
Nova (Novaraptor?)
nocturne cosmos
Throne breaker was spino right?
dusty warren
Ur right
nocturne cosmos
All father was rex
dusty warren
yeah
sleek temple
its also type h rex
dusty warren
yeah
sleek temple
both have the same code name
nocturne cosmos
Hyper rex was all father yeah yeah
dusty warren
Throne Breaker was Hyper-Spino
sleek temple
naaaa
dusty warren
w h a t
sleek temple
dusty warren
oh shite
nocturne cosmos
Ok other way around
dusty warren
yeah
nocturne cosmos
All father is spino
dusty warren
wait
nocturne cosmos
I knew it was one or the other
dusty warren
No it cant be
sleek temple
nah
dusty warren
Because B-442 is the Type-M rex
sleek temple
spino in pc has Throne breaker
nocturne cosmos
But how do we know there managa?
nocturne cosmos
Hat point?
dusty warren
"B-443"
nocturne cosmos
That’s doesn’t prove it’s a manga tho
nocturne cosmos
Hmm?
dusty warren
Because the Magna looks very similar to it
nocturne cosmos
Looks similar dose not mean it is
nocturne cosmos
No
dusty warren
and it's not the Type-H
sleek temple
its a prototype magna
dusty warren
Gen. 1 I would assume
nocturne cosmos
Yeah but did we get confirmation?
dusty warren
We
sleek temple
cuz its stamina is very bad ingame
sleek temple
u dont need confirmation on something so obvious
nocturne cosmos
It’s just better to have it
nocturne cosmos
I could understand it being managa since
Since the names of the other and what they are
Wasn’t the nova manga utah or something also?
sleek temple
nova was
a hybrid
of alot of dromeosaurs
it went through 3 testing phases before fully completed
sleek temple
yea i use it alot
dusty warren
I think think the Nova is a TypeM
sleek temple
it isnt
sleek temple
let me see if i can find any screenshots
nocturne cosmos
I though nova was manga
There was something about it being a manga
I’m sure I’ve seen or read something
sleek temple
its size is too small
dusty warren
It is
nocturne cosmos
We’re did you get that fr9m?
dusty warren
Adult Novas are a wee bigger than Dryos
nocturne cosmos
Ah
dusty warren
Hmm
AE-AES-004
TYPE-H SPECIMENS
"...QUETZALCOATLUS STUDY HAS BEEN NEUTRALIZED SINCE (9 LETTERS). CODE ALFIE-(6 LETTERS) IS STILL MIA."
dusty warren
i know what MIA is 😛
sleek temple
let me find something ponk showed
dusty warren
So that confirms the Quetz we see is a Type-H
dusty warren
(9 LETTERS) = September?
idle zinc
But how could it be MIA when its so freakin big?
nocturne cosmos
Because it’s smart
sleek temple
hypers are smart
idle zinc
yes, true
idle zinc
I can't imagine something that size hiding in trees, even with intelligence
dusty warren
This is a neat video
It's alot about "Subject Alpha" (Subject Alphonse) as well as a ton of bits of information.
Things like the three stages the Novaraptor went through and whatnot
"WHEN WE'RE DONE FIXING THE FENCES THAT KEEP YOU PENCIL NECKS SAFE, WE'LL COME LOOK AT YOUR OFFICE."
-Dondi
That is found on a notice board in PC
Also on 11:10 on that video
You can see the Cat Scan on the skull of B-442
mighty abyss
It's probably best to put the Nova down as its own entity, separate from the strains
good god could you imagine a hypo nova
though, speaking of Nova
Phoenix also made a Nova that could camouflage - it was either due to a collar, or the collar was meant to control the camouflaged Novas better
dusty warren
I was thinking the same thing about the Nova.
barren kelp
here's the info on the hunt raptor if you're interested
mighty abyss
oh look, hypo
idle zinc
Optic Camouflage? Wonder if we'll be seeing that on the isle
idle zinc
Well at least it has its limitations
snow flume
yeah...
idle zinc
In the top right corner it says "FIELD ASSET - N. Absolutus" Thats Novaraptor I'm guessing, definitely not anything I would want to encounter in the night
idle zinc
the wiki can't be fully trusted though
idle zinc
idle zinc
I heard someone say that the door in #transmissions is from PC
dusty warren
Pehaps it's not whats behind the door
Because that door kinda looks like the back of this door
idle zinc
It says "You never saw the other side of the door", and it's true we don't
we see the room, but not whats on the outside
dusty warren
Exactly
Perhaps there is nothing on the other side of that door, and were in the room that we're looking for.
idle zinc
might be, with so little information all we can do is theorize
dusty warren
Yeah, it's taking a stretch but I'm sure that door will show significance in the future.
idle zinc
what we do know is that rex dies later
Thats B443, I'm guessing playing PC Genesis will reveal more about B442 as well
idle zinc
I'd like to know how exactly they died and how AE did it
echo gazelle
Operation Inferno is your answer. The acquisition and replication of the Magnatyrannus.
idle zinc
well I know that much, but I mean like how did it take place, the specifics
I must know, I need the knowledge to survive
echo gazelle
Well to my knowledge, there was the Breakout in Primal Carnage which could have been something done by Apollo Engineering. AE probably destroyed Phoenix Corp and reimaged itself as Apollo Engineering while gaining samples from Phoenix's previous work.
idle zinc
I know I'm going overly scientific here, but I've been trying to narrow down the location of V3 by looking at the sky
the aroura in the sky, that narrows down the possible locations by quite alot
it's pretty unlikely that unless some weird geomagnetic events happened, V3 would most likely north of at least the yellow line, or south of the line in the following picture
and I doubt it could be too close to the poles either because we see no evidence of cold weather, although that'll probably be added on later
I doubt that the sky and weather wasn't really meant to be put under such scientific scrutiny, but I like to use all evidence I can
I heard before about celestial events being added, perhaps this could prove me wrong and actually it's in the Caribbeans or something, but until then, I'm saying it's somewhere close to the poles
wheat hamlet
icy onyx
@idle zinc To add to your theory, from my knowledge there are only pine and birch forests on V3. And those 2 trees are native to northern hemisphere
Pine spread
Birch spread
So it would be somewhere in the north
zealous pine
idle zinc
I'm going to actually attempt to find the location today using the movement of the sun and the shadows to determine the longitude and latitude of V3
opaque crane
Isnt there like... a bigass star in the northern part of the sky? Or maybe it's just randomly there idk. But you can like, use that if it's actually there on purpose. If it is indeed polaris, you can find the latitude easily
idle zinc
For longitude I'm going to have to find willing subjects to act as markers during the ingame day, sooooo thats going to be greaaaat...
turns out the experiment I intended to use requires me to know the time zone of the area first, which makes no sense considering its an experiment meant to show a location
I'll see about using the north star for latitude though, and I'll be searching for an alternate experiment because I am really looking forward to unraveling this
dusty warren
Do arouras change yearly?
idle zinc
I think so, but they don't change alot as far as I know
idle zinc
Attempting to take the measurements but clouds are getting in the way reee
hmmm, the results came out weird
if this is infact the north star, then V3 is somewhere along the 20*N latitudinal line, I used a pen and a piece of paper and a ruler to trace this, so it might be off a little
but if this is true, something really weird is going on with the earths magnetic field to have an aurora so close to the equator
torpid jetty
nerds
gloomy wave
idle zinc
I'm going to wait for the next ingame night to make second measurements just to be sure
If I'm right then we know there's some weird stuff going on with the magnetic field
Someone did tell me something about "celestial events", perhaps there's correlation
idle zinc
dangit clouds are getting in the way of my observations again
icy onyx
As far as the trees go, lat. 20 N fits as pine and birch have limited spread there
but it would be wierd with the auroras
idle zinc
Yeah, but I did hear from someone about celestial events, I have a feeling this has something to do with that
idle zinc
I was at the swamp, it was 20* from north
icy onyx
so you measured it through degrees from north?
But lat. through ns is by mesauring horizont to ns angle
idle zinc
yeah, I don't know if I did it right tbh
was gonna retry it but clouds got in the way of this ingame night
icy onyx
oof
sleek temple
couldnt ya take a screenshot?
idle zinc
xD, I feel so stupid, I had replay going, I could have taken measurements from that any time
sleek temple
rip
idle zinc
I'll look at those later
copper ruin
Is there any screenshots of that replicator thing that people have been talking about
idle zinc
I think it's just mentioned in the lore and console interactions, I don't think there are any pictures
copper ruin
oh
keen linden
there was some concepts of mayan style temples that link to the replicator somehow but the replicator itself is way underground
supposedly
all we know
idle zinc
ok well it's not 20 N, but it's farther south then 45(in my opinion, it's pretty hard to measure something that doesn't exactly fit completlely on the screen
If I had to quesstimate, I'd say it's more around 30-40 N
While it's possible to occasionally see auroras around 45N, the auroras are too common(every friggin night) for something to not be off with the earth
icy onyx
I would say closer to 40, as 30 N is mostly arid
dusty warren
Wel lIm was going to say
Keep in mind that The Isle might take place in 2014
So you might nee dto look at patterns from then
idle zinc
Well we think the hypos escaped in 2014, it could be 2019 ingame
dusty warren
Yeah
idle zinc
though I'll go look at 2014 KP map data just in case
idle zinc
I haven't been able to find any KP map data from 2014
idle zinc
Now if only I could tell which season the isle was in, then maybe I could tell the longitudinal location
or latitude, man I'm mixing things up I'm so tired xD
icy onyx
What is day to night ratio (in lenght) that could help
Most people say its 2 hours each, that would make it 1:1 or 12 hours to 12 hours real time
If your 30-40°N estimate is right, its somewhere between January - March or October - December
slow delta
couldn't the environment be simulated though
icy onyx
I have a theory that The Isle was a government project which would revive dinosaurs and weaponise them. The government then created the strains as a super weapon but they were too strong and destroyed all the humans around them leaving the dinosaurs alone on the various islands that Project Isle was on. But what if Project Isle wasn’t a greedy wish to become the strongest country in the world. What if a threat was rising up and this was humanity’s last desperate resort. What if the Project Isle was a weapon against the cannibals?
celest heron
^ which is where flying Dinos with riders and strapped on miniguns come in 😂
icy onyx
Why would you have those? Then pair of F-22's comes in and shreads them with Vulcans
leaden nexus
I honestly think the dinosaurs being avatars as a tourist attraction sounds plausible, having it be a front for an ulterior motive like umbrella from resident evil
eventually shit got out of hand and now we have the current situation with people stuck in a loop of survival to the fittest
toxic breach
Yeah not sure how dinos could make a good weapon. Even hypos would be a joke compared to anything past 1900 technology.
celest heron
Just make a bunch of indo raptors and indominus rexes....problem solved
Or armor
Really really strong armor
icy onyx
Explain to me how indo would survive a lets say, 152mm apfsds with well over 300mm's of armor penetration
celest heron
Fair point...
icy onyx
fk I wrote it wrong
sweet zephyr
Well...
icy onyx
Anyway, if you put armor on dino, eventually it wont be able to hold more
sweet zephyr
The indo rex was shown surviving a near-direct blast from an RPG
icy onyx
Single point - plot armor
Anyway, point is, making "soldier" dinos is quite ineffective as modern war technology makes them pretty much pointless
You could compare it to using horse, but bigger and with teeth
toxic breach
yep and that's cause the film doesn't understand how RPGs work.
probs best to assume the isle works under JP laws of physics, and not irl ones
aka dinoskin is 10x stronger than depleted uranium composite armour of equiv thickness
icy onyx
The weapon used in that scene in direct hit would pen 420mm of rolled homogenous steel
Now how thick a dino scale can be
toxic breach
yep so an anky can probs survive direct nuclear strikes according to JP laws.
though it's a herbi so actually it's probs super useless
toxic breach
nah it's a human weapon so in JP laws of physics probs useless. If they could make some dino powered weapon it would work better.
Like the nuero EMP effect.
icy onyx
raptor launcher
toxic breach
Which i'm willing to bet will EMP guns despite them being purely mechanical...
icy onyx
We will see when guns are added
If a 12.7mm completely obliterates dino's head, we will know it doesnt work on JP's physics
toxic breach
lol. Yeah irl physics would have a standard sidearm one shotting a utah in the head.
icy onyx
And well 12.7mm hvap would be just obliterating
toxic breach
JP physics has a couple of mm of dino skin being stronger than half a metre of steel.
wraith nova
I wonder if you are aware thst JP was from begining no real dino, it was genetic experiment. Also Indo Raptor is leathal weapon in closed space, and if that can sneak it's as good as soldier.
icy onyx
Yes it was genetic weapon, yes raptors are lethal in cqb (even utahs etc) but modern weapons would obliterate them in open space
The only place they are usefull in is cqb and even then there are ways of dispatching of them
Landmines, grenades, just bombing the building to smithereens
etc. etc.
A weapon against cannibals. Perhaps they were immune to human weaponry but the strains stood a chance against it if all of them fought the cannibals as a unit.
toxic breach
yeah with irl physics it doesn't matter if indoraptor/rex is genetic experiment
single 50cal shot to the head or heart kills them
in JP physics they're immune to RPGS
icy onyx
And from force of that explosion, it shoukd have at least seriously wounded it
toxic breach
also depends on the type of warhead used
if it was a HEAT shell the blast would have gone through both sides.
icy onyx
It wasnt a direct hit tho
Near miss
But from the force that threw it on the sidde and we are talking at leasts 40 tons, it probably was a bunker buster he
dusty warren
There is the idea that dinosaurs were created for military use.
Sure "They could be bombed" but that disadvantage applies to every ground based unit to ever exist.
Larger herbivores would act more like horses except being able to carry WAY more.
icy onyx
Well yes, but everything you could use dino for, there is something that does it in a better way
dusty warren
I mean, there are advantages and disadvantages to everything
icy onyx
Ie large herbis would be extra vulnerable to air strikes and lets say convoy would have the advantage that it can split up, taking partial losses while herbi cant get split up for obvious reasons
idle zinc
Perhaps instead of mass deployment, deploying special squads equipped with lightweight bulletproof dino vests to take out high value targets
and coordination between humans and dino allies
dusty warren
A MOAB or JDAM couldnt give less of a hoot if a car convey split up
It's also not that easy to just "Split Up" from and airstrike
You need to get as many resources away from the radius of that bomb in a matter of seconds
All while that bomb is falling on top of you
icy onyx
but it still grants higher survival chance then being slow ass big target
icy onyx
animals just get their limbs blown off, organs destroyed
idle zinc
I don't think they would have been meant for combat in an open space, ranged weapons would be too effective there
icy onyx
^
dusty warren
Well yeah
Think about who we're talking about fighting
and where
Is it Europe?
Or the middle-east?
icy onyx
If we are talking regular deployment, then theathers all around the world
As you need troops ready for most enviroments
dusty warren
Not at the same time
idle zinc
if anything they would be sent into buildings to take out enemies in confined spaces where the really big guns can't go
dusty warren
We know what happened last time someone open multiple fronts in multiple areas
I mean
Shotguns are made for CQC
icy onyx
I mean its true that dinos would prevent destruction of houses in city combat
but at the same time you couldnt prevent civ cas
Unless you had all dinos on screen and some kill switch
dusty warren
Dinos would be mostly useless in CQC and Open-Field combat. In the field of logistics and wooded areas
they would be great
icy onyx
Wooded areas? With thermal optics not really
idle zinc
teach them to smell guns on non-allied origin and kill those people
dusty warren
Not every person in the military is given "Thermal Optics"
icy onyx
Almost every tank is
idle zinc
The hypo has shown capable of destroying vehicles before
icy onyx
Becuse like almost all countries have tanks?
dusty warren
Hypo cant destroy a Abrams or T72, i guarantee it/
dusty warren
depending
idle zinc
Lets not forget Phoenix international had prototype stealth technology for their dinos
icy onyx
and even then I dont see dino cheving through 200+mm's of composite
dusty warren
Infantry would perform most AT operations.
As well as Ranged and Close Quarters combat.
idle zinc
with that technology anyone without thermal optics would be basically dead meat
icy onyx
at the same time the collar had safety kill switch
dusty warren
Thermal optics can be around 40k.
icy onyx
and electronic warfare is one of most evolving combat types
dusty warren
You also must understand on who we're talking about
icy onyx
It would require getting control of the collars and stun all dinos
but then they are out of action
dusty warren
Americas most active area as of the moment is the middle east.
icy onyx
because oil
dusty warren
It's nothing but guerrilla fighters, which makes combat there VERY difficult
icy onyx
Yeh, guerilla warfare is hard to counter
toxic breach
everyone arguing dinos could be useful for the military has no concept of how effective military equipment is
icy onyx
I mean, the single war they lost was anti guerilla
toxic breach
the average grunt with a rifle could kill a rex in seconds
icy onyx
Matters on caliber but yea
dusty warren
Not to mention the cost.
icy onyx
And lets reverse uno
dusty warren
And the overall idea of using animals in situations
toxic breach
the average grunt with a rifle costs a lot less than cloning a rex too
toxic breach
I think assuming that the game runs on JP laws of physics is the best option
dusty warren
I think people could afford a rex
icy onyx
Oh yea
nocturne cosmos
dosent it take thounds just to colne a dog?
dusty warren
Stupid
toxic breach
people can barely afford a lab grown cow burger
icy onyx
Lemme just quickly buy a rex
idle zinc
I don't think they would be used on a massive scale
icy onyx
^
idle zinc
even for AE thats expensive
toxic breach
M16 rifle will always be cheaper than a rex. And will always win.
icy onyx
And also the food cost
nocturne cosmos
and containment
idle zinc
Unless it's equiped with specialized bulletproof vests meant for the dinos
idle zinc
then lower caliber guns aren't as deadly
icy onyx
ie big herbies would eat a LOT of food
nocturne cosmos
you can still shoot it in the eye
sleek temple
so basically the dinos would cost too much compared to normal military
and arnt really as affective
toxic breach
ok 50cal. still cheaper than rex + special rex bulletproof vest.
a 50cal will also go through a bullet proof vest, through what it's protecting, out the back, and through the next bulletproof vest too.
dusty warren
Depending on the round
icy onyx
elephants eat between 90-270kg of food daily
dusty warren
and what gun
icy onyx
Now how much would a friggin idk Diplo eat?
toxic breach
with irl physics, the only argument for cloning a rex is science. for military they would be worse than useless.
icy onyx
How would you even train a rex or raptor to attack humans? I know police dogs go for the arm and the trainer wears a special cast thing to protect it. But, a rex...eh
idle zinc
they would be used for very specialized missions, and be equipped with the latest technology, using an EMP to disable tanks and such
nocturne cosmos
drone
loud sail
Sannarah. It's simple. Domestication.
sleek temple
cooper that would take years
loud sail
Breed the instincts out of them
dusty warren
I dont think some farmers in the middle-east with 50 year old soviet equipment would have drones
icy onyx
hm i guess thats true
loud sail
Yeah it would but it's the only way. Otherwise its wild even in captitivity
dusty warren
They hardly have cars
loud sail
Captivity
nocturne cosmos
and they can still snap
toxic breach
tanks can work even when EMP'd
loud sail
100s of years lol
loud sail
Dogs were bred from wolves.
sleek temple
who wants a case closed?
toxic breach
they lose their electronic sights and controls, but they have mechanical backups
and an older tank won't be using electircity at all
icy onyx
Imagine Mk. 5 killimg dinos
loud sail
Hydraulics Jenkens. Hydraulics
dusty warren
The idea of dinosaurs being sold for military use may still be an idea. Perhaps it was the government making the CEO of Phoenix go with this idea, which would explain why he was such a large part in Operation Inferno, and why he destroyed his own company.
loud sail
And analog gun systems
dusty warren
He didn't like the idea, possibly for the reasons we mentioned as to why it wouldn't work.
loud sail
That is what I did in the military 🍆
sleek temple
so case closed?
loud sail
Fire and forget missile....boom rex dead
icy onyx
^
idle zinc
Perhaps we're looking at this all the wrong way, perhaps they'd be used as a last line of defense if say, a military group got inside the whitehouse
nocturne cosmos
what
sleek temple
all i can see is PC selling compys as pets
loud sail
Stationary rail gun on top of building with a person telling coordinates. Boom dead giga
sleek temple
which would work with their cereal undercover
loud sail
I would buy a compy fo sho
dusty warren
lmao
sleek temple
and mabye AE sell oreos and tacos and mabye dryos
idle zinc
Perhaps a purpose other then war? We know AE has attempted to make the "perfect organism" before
toxic breach
I still think best assumption is it's JP physics
sleek temple
its made to "live on"
toxic breach
10mm of dinoscale = 500mm of steel.
icy onyx
We will see
sleek temple
ill just go with normal physics for now
icy onyx
depends on how efficient weapons will be after devs add mercs
idle zinc
I think they do like 100 damage per round, I heard that from a youtube vid involving a dev like a year ago or something
dusty warren
Laughing In AKM Intensifies
nocturne cosmos
pew pew right through the eye
toxic breach
i can imagine small dinos being more viable when mercs are in, as apexes just get shot
small things can hide
idle zinc
Ammo won't be infinite, so I doubt merc players would go around shooting everything they can see though
nocturne cosmos
not really
toxic breach
I still have the theory that mercs are hired by the scientists to protect the dinos from the tribals, and tag the nested ones (while avoiding being eaten). This gives them in interesting gameplay goal.
Well better than just shoot everything you see. That's an awful gameplay goal and I have no clue why people want that.
nocturne cosmos
ammo goign to be hard to get
icy onyx
100 dmg per bullet? laughs in M61 vulcan
toxic breach
Just shoot everything would suck as a gameplay goal.
needs to be more nuanced than call of duty deathmatch.
sweet zephyr
Guns, noise.
nocturne cosmos
cause death
sweet zephyr
Ammo.
idle zinc
I would prefer to save those precious bullets for something that is an actual threat
sweet zephyr
Utahraptors
toxic breach
This is why i'm not excited for mercs. They're going to screw gameplay more than the current apex hordes.
sleek temple
u may want to save them but others wanna use them
nocturne cosmos
not if there done right also #401464048610312195
idle zinc
with ranged weaponry there wouldn't be safe spots
toxic breach
Maybe mercs could get money to requisition more ammo/guns/vehicles by doing objectives like tagging nested in baby dinos.
that would be a much more convincing reason that they're there
idle zinc
From a dev playthrough(with anthomia) they said they would have to requisition resources to bring down an airdrop
icy onyx
makes sense
tho there could be a bounty system to give reason to use guns for more then self defense
toxic breach
I suspect that just shooting everything you see won't be how you get resources.
idle zinc
so at the beginning you really only start with a pistol with a singol clip
icy onyx
ie there would be bounty to hunt rex and you would be rewarded
toxic breach
i'd prefer the challenge of sneaking up to a rex nest and tagging the babies without being eaten, rather than just wipe rex nest and parents.
one requires skill
idle zinc
ye
toxic breach
I suspect that nested babies won't have implants
icy onyx
would make biological sense
idle zinc
Unless there's something in their dna that creates a biological "implant"
nocturne cosmos
no they dont ahve implants
toxic breach
The scientists running the place would want implants on them, so mercs could be the best way to do that.
nocturne cosmos
nested dinos dont have them
idle zinc
unless biological implants grown by the dinos with engineered dna coding
toxic breach
yeah but that would mean no objective
tagging nested babies would be a good objective
and challenging
idle zinc
I agree with Jenkens
icy onyx
what I am scared of most are well equiped merc groups just deciding to wipe out dino pops
nocturne cosmos
nested dinso dont have them if you get nested in game it will say you dont have one
on the lil chracter screen
its in the corner i think
idle zinc
they wouldn't be able to Nyarlathotep because of limited ammo
toxic breach
yeah if kill everything is the only reason the mercs are there, it will just create cancerous and unfun gameplay.
nocturne cosmos
might just be an error thoo
icy onyx
well yes, limited ammo but what if you have merc group that already requisitioned ton of extra ammo
toxic breach
I hate it when these discussions are touching on both lore and gameplay at once, so it's unclear where to put them.
nocturne cosmos
yeah
icy onyx
true
toxic breach
you get told off for putting it in discussion or here.
same with isle discussion and paleo chat
nocturne cosmos
we can just move to #401464048610312195 since we aint really talking about lore more gameplay
toxic breach
yeah
analog halo
As long as the channel rules are clear to you and the discussion is still scratching lore, it's fine.
toxic breach
Often the convo can seem to flip between the two. aka merc reasons for being in the island are lore, while their objectives in game are discussion. but their objectives in game are tied to lore.
makes it confusing.
analog halo
You wondering about where to put it, is already way more effort then many others put into their posts, so it's fine. Dwai too much. As long as its a healthy and gamerelated discussion. I get that skipping inbetween channels as the discussion moves along can be pretty offputting.
Just make sure to not get totally offtopic or clearly into stuff that belongs into #401464048610312195 in here.
wraith nova
Returning for a short while to combat use of dunis talk.
Phoenix Corp made weaponized dinos, Apollo Engineering focuses on forced evolution and perfect organisms. Throw away talk about using dinos for war because I doubt it have any use here. It's more talk about testing something, strains, on very complicated and rather smart organisms, for example raptors. They probably test how fast dinos develop certain level of inteligence. Later they can mess around with strains, maybe before they begin tests on human. There's also "putting" human mind in dinos. Potential breakout can happen during that kind of experiments, so having mercenaries to clean your mess is a good thing.
^ That was pretty much all coming from what we know lorewise and a bit of logic thinking.
icy onyx
All it needs is to use open original feature
barren kelp
icy onyx
but cool of you to do that
barren kelp
everyone takes a pic of the blackboard at least once lol
the full image i sent is directly from the files however
icy onyx
Triple sized claw?
How would someone even get the idea to genetically engineer that onto raptor
leaden nexus
how would it even keep that toe up
barren kelp
corrective surgery to hold it up by force? 
icy onyx
Well, time to make T-rex with 1m long teeth
icy onyx
Can we just take in the fact that they use imperial lenght, yet metric weight
sleek temple
i mean i do that alot myself
deep ridge
Ew
sleek temple
whys that?
vagrant dirge
someone needs to fill me on what the theory line is
hasty latch
It's a long story.
vagrant dirge
ik
all i know is that Phoenix corp and EA were working together or something and created the hypos
final perch
check pins
copper ruin
So is there any document on the current lore ?
celest marten
There are some codes and weird transmissions around
woeful chasm
Pinned messages @copper ruin
bright mesa
why haven't ever heard about nova raptor?
rugged harbor
mighty abyss
also it's not really relevant to Isle
sleek temple
kinda is when PC is relevant and its part of PC
leaden nexus
I like how the scientist despises the second and third iterations
gilded onyx
Smh they downgrading the animal.
feathers actually improve the efficiency of the dinosaur's capabilities to hunt and kill
oh god wait a dev is typing
o shit
twin vale
the general story there is that aesthetic alterations produced more aggressive behaviour, the feathers were important to raptor socialization and without them they became aggrevated. almost accidentally stumbling upon a way to make them more feral and dangerous.
gilded onyx
That's actually pretty neat 😮
The dinosaurs themselves are ticked off that they don't have proper integument. O god
twin vale
haha, that's one way of putting it 😛
sleek temple
they are that smart?
twin vale
think of that line from Dr. Wu in Jurassic World, if you change an animal's physiology you can't expect to not change their behaviour.
sleek temple
ah
so removing their main social ability would lead to them being solo hunters as communication wouldnt work ever well
sweet zephyr
that's an interesting way to justify certain behavioral changes
barren kelp
and don't forget the implications of venom/acid-spitting dilo/cryo, it would kill them if they were adult-size
sleek temple
yea
they are juvis ingame
and now that takes me to something
hyper utah doesnt have feathers which means its socialization would also be limited
meaning it has to be a lone hunter aswell
keen linden
all hypers are solo iirc
they need to much food so anyone near them is just unwanted competition
sleek temple
i mean
if u want me to say magnaraptor would be solo because of it aswell since it doesnt have feathers
though their high intelligence may disregard that
keen linden
magna i think would just be alpha by intimidating other raptors
and other raptors would prob see the magna as a very useful pack member
icy onyx
they should add bird dinosaurs and water dinos
mystic violet
how about more family member dinos
icy onyx
and you should be able to invite diffrent species to a group or peope could make servers that u could choose that you could be in groups with diffrent species or not
keen linden
not sure thats lore related
mystic violet
tyranno species were more than rex and alberto
keen linden
keen linden
np
maiden drift
how many other creatures, beside the Novaraptor, have been similarly 'tweaked' into desocialized mutants? through de-feathering or otherwise?
it'd be an interesting meta explanation to players being so damn hangry for kills and unnecessary risks; the dino brain, which the brains-shelved human pilots are being broadcast into or however it works, is constantly feeding them anxiety, paranoia, and killing impulses
much like one feels when trying to bush grow and not fuggin die
leaden nexus
honestly seems be just a nova thing
most other creatures are fairly similar to their real life counterparts
sleek temple
i mean
all of PC dinos that are playable are tweaked
since each have abilitys
though if u disregard that
the "compy" and "oviraptor" are prob the only ones that are least messed with tbh
i do want to discuss the spino though
it does say below the rex B-443
but its treating the spino
like its normal
well the length up to 60ft
ofc i believe both of these are Gen 1 magnas
trim comet
That is a magna spino
sleek temple
reason i believe Gen 1 magnas
is cuz they have very bad stamina
and ik its obv balancing so they arnt op
but if ya think about it alottt it fits in with a sentence
ALL CASE STUDIES AS OF (10 LETTERS)-2014 HAVE SHOWN THAT ALL GEN-1 SPECIES CANNOT TREAD WATER FOR EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME. DUE TO SIZE ISSUES OF NEWEST TYPE-M SPECIMENS, ALL FURTHER AQUATIC BIOLOGICAL STUDIES WILL MOVED TO ATRIUM B (POD 4) UNTIL THE BAY LOCKE IS FINISHED DEVELOPMENT. REPORT ALL ENDURANCE TIMINGS TO DR. (10 LETTERS).
trim comet
and since magnas cant stop growing or something
That means the ribcage in titan lake
Is a magna spino
trim comet
Came up with it myself
trim comet
Idk
final perch
🤦
trim comet
Just an acro
sleek temple
is it a Magna 0w0
final perch
why would you say that if you made it up
sleek temple
im curious about the acro the most tbh
final perch
same
sleek temple
obv it has to gen 1 magna aswell
trim comet
I made up that theory
sleek temple
since its stam like every dino in the game is bad
trim comet
About the ribcage being magna spino
But magnas dont stop growing
That is true
Some dev said that idk when
sleek temple
where did it say they dont stop growing
trim comet
But I gtg take the Fattest shit in the World
barren kelp
yeah imo acro feels very naturalistic compared to the others, ignoring its stomp ability and such. in its loading screen it mentions that acro has learned to hunt smaller prey due to a lack of sauropods
sleek temple
barren kelp
The only serious abnormality is the "Pain numbing pheromones" which.. arguably wouldn't be present in Isle
sleek temple
i doesnt say anything about abnormal mutations
barren kelp
yep
sleek temple
yet why is it the size of the rex
final perch
why is the isle acro bigger than rex 🤔
sleek temple
aparently
it only says its 11.5 meters
even though ingame its like the same as the rex
sleek temple
when they both put heads up in PC:E
the acros head goes up taller
but ur right it is taller cuz of the head
barren kelp
also keep in mind that the acro doesn't really match the style of primal either. it's very plain in comparison to rex and carno
barren kelp
while im at it here's a closeup on the dilo spit info
final perch
im confused as to why carno can jump
barren kelp
it just does
barren kelp
not a high res version sadly
they were noted as stupid and likely to charge their reflection in a mirror
barren kelp
i kinda think PC carno is closer to the type h in terms of its function
sleek temple
barren kelp
it appears to be built for running things down and bashing them
sleek temple
if PC carno is magna carno
barren kelp
don't forget the acid