That’s that furry shit
#isle-lore-theories
paper herald
wraith nova
Actually I wouldn't state what makes more sense right now, we have really to little lore to wonder what and why and how it's possible
steady ravine
Sooooooo how do we explain the tribals ?
wraith nova
Tribals are kind of mutated things, so maybe infected by Echinda? Or more possible experiment went wrong as they kind of deevolved and began worshipping her?
steady ravine
make sens
paper herald
They look ugly cause their features help them survive, rather than aesthetics, so they all orc lookin
Echidna could be in it too
steady ravine
No neuro Strained human will be the cannibals
wraith nova
Welp, if I was a dino all humans would be ugly to me and good enough to eat so, don't know what orc like look have to do. More like strain does odd stuff to mammals
paper herald
Tribals always interested me, they seem to be humans evolved to live in a dinosaur’s world
wraith nova
Well canibals are tribals, I mean that clicking sound making lurking in darness horror fuel isn't canibal
paper herald
Which one is that blank face boy? Any official name yet?
wraith nova
Nope
It lurks somewhere and ocassionaly devs scare us with some nea sneak peaks, but we don't know what it is and how it's called
steady ravine
well they're the one referred as cannibals
paper herald
No the little ones
wraith nova
Big thing is Echinda, smaller thingies are dunno. And Dondi said on stream that what we called canibals aren't canibals and that tribals are in fact canibals
steady ravine
I give up
wraith nova
Generally messed thing because we got used to calling that canibal. We didn't even began thinking how to refer to it so everyone knows what we mean, before any officail names of course
Cliking sound makinf offspring of alien and I don't want to know what else isn't canibal. That's what we know, no official name yet. Also pretty much zero information how it was created so we can't make any theories on it
To be honest we have next to zero info about tribals, not enough to make full blows theory what it is. Beside possible experiment with Echinda
paper herald
The two most plausible tribal things imo would be
1- stranded staff left to fend for themselves on the island, over time it goes to hell
2- experiments done by AE, escapes with the other assets
Imagine how horrifying it would have been to see a guy gradually devolve into shit like that, kept in a cell and fed shit food
steady ravine
How can you contain Echidna btw ?
steady ravine
It's litteraly a psychic godess
paper herald
Like a type of metal or something
opaque crane
i imagine the people who had to work with tribals, if they were indeed experiments, were either really fucked up from the beginning, or became really fucked up by the end. Imagine what it's gotta take to watch over something like that and see it happen
paper herald
^
Would be extremely interesting to see
Hearing the experiments begging for the Æ scientists to kill them in slurred, warped voices
steady ravine
Some scientist starting to consider Echidan like a real godess praying her and trying to make her escape
steady ravine
Driven crazy by her poweer
paper herald
Or the power goes out and those abusive scientists are in a quarantined “human experiments” wing, stuck with the horrible to-be tribals, and possibly echidna
Perhaps the desperate tribals turned to the Echidna as a last ditch coping mechanism in their terrible situation, since she is kinda like them
I kinda wanna write a short about that, perhaps from the perspective of an Æ employee who begins to question the morals of the company when he sees behind the flashy, distracting dinosaur experiments. Seeing the suffering in the human area
wraith nova
You get too much horror into it. There were transmissions saying something about them and loading screend about specimens-n. Basicaly AE did some experiments and halted it and destroyed everything that recently went into contact with any n-specimen bio material.
Alright that is highly horror like
paper herald
Lol yeah, having to destroy everything that came into contact with type n is also interesting
steady ravine
Honestly that would be awesome
And I can't help myself but imagine some comical scene
paper herald
Could write in the destruction of the type n area, if it was automated or a fire, could have accounts of people trapped in there to either die by that, or by the inhabitants..
steady ravine
Like guard no bothering checking any instrument to see if tisso dino are in their cage but just throwing food in them and see if it disapear or not
paper herald
Yeah, the researchers being so jaded to the horrors and dangers of their creations that they just get casual with it, until the breach and evacuations
I’d like to think some got out, to tell the tale
timber trellis
What yall conversing bout?
quartz sundial
u can check the pinned messages to get caught up on all the lore stuff if ur lost
icy onyx
I recommend Meaty Lock's Videos If your lost on lore, They are very helpful and the dock currently isn't filled of info.
distant spade
Unfortunately meatyloxks channel is kinda dead rn
broken grotto
and the video's are pretty old, sadly enough
shell dust
Ok, I don't know if it has been discussed yet but I have reason to believe we all know the location of the Gateway. It has been confirmed by the console that Gateway is, in fact a facility, but take a look at this:
Now, it could be something that we haven't seen yet in a yet-to-come map, but which facility is locked, on Island 3 (aka V3 most likely) and located between l-1 and l-2 (taking that l stands for a lowercase L and not a capital i)? I believe l-1 and l-2 refers to the Twin lakes, and the facility in question may very well be the community-called Twin complex
Looking at the line "Rear connection facility between designate l-2 and l-1" leads me to the thought that the Gateway itself isn't the whole complex, but rather just one of the smaller segments of it that are connected via a bridge.
junior sun
And then to throw a wrench into all of this, the new map, Hope.
past thunder
All the new buildings with secrets 
icy onyx
A lot of the lore is mostly sauce currently there are bits and pieces that solid. Like How the Magna was created, And who caused it to be created etc.
Also.
A lot of things have changed like we been having more things hinting toward PC and TI connections which before was apparently not going to happen..
tender trench
guys
what if
the cannibal noises at the aviary
are
cannibals that got trapped after attempting to break in and attack the pterosaurs
junior sun
Cannibal noises at the aviary aren't Tribals. 😉
tender trench
junior sun
I wish I had a screen but a Dev said they're just really bad squeaking/moving metal sounds
Kinda like a flexing bridge
stiff coral
dapper tree
What if the gateway is near the tallest object in the map? (Just a random thought)
high heath
I assume the gateway is something that leads to a lab.
echo gazelle
Yeah it was metal creaking from the frames of the aviary. Also wood creaks since its Redwood ambience. I posted a video and it got shut down. Lore is all speculation at this point. It's just waiting from now on for a new update. They deal greatly with lore. There were some stuff discovered but they aren't concrete enough to go by. I've decoded some light morse in the main menu/server search menu and it's pretty much things we were already told or knew. The console interaction that many refer to is old as dust and it's a good reference but overall useless to finding out what's to come. But hang in there, there are many that have been trying to figure out the lore for years. This channel has come a long way and theories have been a huge lead or just thrown into a loop. Anyway, keep the theories up. It's what the channel is for. 👍
tiny carbon
what we need is another transmission to speculate on for 3 weeks
rain crystal
wasn't there... some thing a while ago that an experiment got shut down suddenly and pretty much all the staff were considered contaminated and quarentined and/or disposed of? i feel like that's the back story of either the cannibals or the no-face slenderman fuckers
there
that's the old loading screen that talks about it
i'm also not entirely convinced that an EIP is a human consciousness inserted into a dinosaur. in Khorne's interaction with the console (same lore website as that loading screen, it's pinned) there's an attempt to replicate All-Father, and one of the processes is "EIP generating". odds are you couldn't generate a consciousness to go into a dinosaur, soo...
you can also apparently query the EIP of specific project names, and the system can tell you if they're active or not. it also mentions "island three does not have an EIP", there's apparently EIP redistribution, and there's this interesting tidbit:
they mention earlier "75 years of EIP replicate data" and this talks about "completing" an EIP. so, countertheory to the one proposed earlier; an EIP is not a human consciousness inserted into a dinosaur. one may be able to insert a human consciousness into a dinosaur, since "transferring consciousness" is mentioned earlier in the same transcript, but an EIP seems more like some kind of... catalogue of experiences, traits, or genes that they're trying to form. instead of genetically trying to engineer the perfect organism, they're trying to behaviorally engineer one, which is why the whole "replicate" thing is so important- you need a tun of creatures running around to gain way more experiences than a single creature could in its lifetime. this is getting deep into speculation, but it almost sounds like trying to create an omnipotent, god-like being- one that has lived hundreds of thousands of lives, and knows and can calculate the outcome of any given decision in an instant. and obviously, a creature that developed psychic powers and almost a hive-mind would be almost crucial in that project
other point of interest: whatever reaper is, there's apparently 12 of em active.
vague glen
Reaper is the humanoid tisso strain
median yew
Don't call her an it when she is literally called a matriarch. Matriarch = female
trim palm
i certainly agree with that, but.. dont call her an it when it is a matriarch 
hehehehe
ember flame
It
hearty mulch
He doesn't care what you call her. It's beyond gender norms.
feral pond
Forewarning: Shitposting in here is a surefire way to get removed from the discord.
idle pivot
I've not been here as long as some people have, but i've been thinking about something.
One of the leading theories is that -from what i understand- a human consciousness (called an EIP) is put into the mind of a dinosaur, probably through what is referred to as the "replicator." There are thousands of dinosaurs around the island - and, as the game develops, this number will increase.
Where in the hell are they getting all of these people from, and why do they need their consciences??
The act of putting the complex mind of a human inserted into a dinosaur's body / brain should not be necessary. In-game(at the moment), we do most of the functions and actions that dinosaurs might have done, so there's no need for a human conscience to be there if we already do what a dinosaur conscience does. Of course, this may exclude actual humans that will show up in later gameplay.
The only reason why the mind of a human would be necessary is for control, experimentation, or something undisclosed / will show up in later gameplay, and perhaps this may be a bit more sinister than what I have thought of. A more simple conclusion is that this theory is a bit wrong, but perhaps not totally incorrect.
If some sort of cloning is done, they may be able to clone the mind of a person.. but it would take a relative amount of development and time to even accomplish that feat, as human minds develop over a long period of time.
(It should be known that I might just be speculating nonsense, but I might as well say something ¯_(ツ)_/¯ Hell I may be interpreting this wrong)
opaque crane
I saw it as them taking like homeless people/convicts/undesirables and using it as a way to like "dispose" of them
I can imagine they'd be studying the effects of implanting a human consciousness into another body and the reason it failed is cause it broke the minds of the people they implanted into them.
idle pivot
How would they get them off of the "mainland" though.. and without being noticed
slim lynx
everyones in on it
opaque crane
human trafficking happens all the time, man. if normal people can do it, scientists could probably do it better
homeless people and prostitutes end up going missing a lot cause they arent really noticed and likely dont have someone who could potentially help them get on their feet so it'd be easy to take someone who wont be noticed as missing among a ton of other people
other than kidnapping people, they could be selling a scam, saying they'll help cure some illness or help someone who's dying only to do tests on them and stuff
though it's a lot harder to cover up someone's dad who had cancer going missing
stoic creek
Why on earth would you even want to put human brains in dinosaurs? Like have I missed something that alludes to that?
slim lynx
For science
opaque crane
figuring out how the human mind reacts or if it could even work at all
possibly working on it for something war-related
stoic creek
If that’s all it sounds about on the same level of “all the dinosaurs are just really really really modified horses”, like sure I guess but there’s not really any reason to think that haha
I just meant like, is there any backstory or something that implies human brains in dinosaurs and not just like, they’re dinosaurs
slim lynx
Yes
idle pivot
EIP's are apparantly a canon concept, but i don't believe it's disclosed that they are the minds of people, let alone the minds of anything
stoic creek
OH okay lmao I was gonna say
I wonder how weird things will get
Some of the strain stuff is wild
timber notch
tbh I'd want my consciousness in a dinosaur's brain
slim lynx
is a dryo
rain crystal
we know EIP's exist and what the acronym stands for. we know virtually nothing about what they ARE
gilded karma
Perhaps the dinosaurs have human minds and thats why theyre so intelligent
rain crystal
i'm fairly certain the dinosaurs are controlled by humans in some way, implied by the UI and death screens to be some kind of console. i think the EIP is separate from that, though
gilded karma
i mean the dinosaurs themselves have human minds
as in they literally have a human consciousness IN them
junior sun
Replicated dinos do. Nested dinos don't
Will be interesting to see how that fits when Humans come in, maybe only the nested ones can be tamed?
Since theirmind is true dino?
rain crystal
we're sure, at this point, that replicated dinos have human minds?
rain crystal
where's that stated?
gilded karma
pretty much nowhere
junior sun
IN the Lore
Read it.
It's pinned here
Decoded from loading screens, etc
Dinos are replicated. As are.....other things.
Like Tribals
gilded karma
god that would be terrifying
one second your a human
the next second your just
you know
a fucking dinosaur
rain crystal
i read a lot of the lore. i referenced it in a pretty large post earlier. i didn't see any reference that confirms human consciousnesses are being implanted into dinosaurs
gilded karma
that would be awesome tho
junior sun
It was decoded somewhere
SOmething about "XXX replicated, human conciousness implanted."
My question is though: What TYPE of conciousness? Scientist? Merc? Prisoner?
rain crystal
sorry: it is stated from the lore, but it is drawing from the same source that i read. one can read the same source material and draw different conclusions- both opinions boil down to speculation
junior sun
Or, Dino Mercs
Population control via dino
They are using it as a way to control them, to tame them down is what I read
rain crystal
it says "consciousness transferred", and profiles are mentioned frequently. that can be reference to EIP, or Embryonic Intelligence Profile, though, which i debated the common conclusion that it refers to a human consciousness
junior sun
That's true
rain crystal
i am not debating that EIP's exist and that the dinosaurs are human controlled; i am debating that the EIP is the mechanism for control. i believe it's something else
gilded karma
naughty humans get put in the dino head
rain crystal
i'm... just gonna repost what i posted last night
junior sun
Sure!
rain crystal
i'm also not entirely convinced that an EIP is a human consciousness inserted into a dinosaur. in Khorne's interaction with the console (same lore website as that loading screen, it's pinned) there's an attempt to replicate All-Father, and one of the processes is "EIP generating". odds are you couldn't generate a consciousness to go into a dinosaur, soo...
you can also apparently query the EIP of specific project names, and the system can tell you if they're active or not. it also mentions "island three does not have an EIP", there's apparently EIP redistribution, and there's this interesting tidbit:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/579174448448405504/Matriarch.png
they mention earlier "75 years of EIP replicate data" and this talks about "completing" an EIP. so, countertheory to the one proposed earlier; an EIP is not a human consciousness inserted into a dinosaur. one may be able to insert a human consciousness into a dinosaur, since "transferring consciousness" is mentioned earlier in the same transcript, but an EIP seems more like some kind of... catalogue of experiences, traits, or genes that they're trying to form. instead of genetically trying to engineer the perfect organism, they're trying to behaviorally engineer one, which is why the whole "replicate" thing is so important- you need a tun of creatures running around to gain way more experiences than a single creature could in its lifetime. this is getting deep into speculation, but it almost sounds like trying to create an omnipotent, god-like being- one that has lived hundreds of thousands of lives, and knows and can calculate the outcome of any given decision in an instant. and obviously, a creature that developed psychic powers and almost a hive-mind would be almost crucial in that project
junior sun
Yeah, that sounds like Echidna, or the Neuro Tribal looking thing
Can't remember the name
gilded karma
theyre the same
rain crystal
they're the same yeah
junior sun
SO then, the implants are recording experiences to be used for Echidna
rain crystal
matriarch may have... gotten corrupted? gone insane? and since it had control over redistribution, it may have created its own species to serve as a cult and kinda commandeered the whole thing
junior sun
100o deaths you owe is to expand the database
rain crystal
matriarch may have just discovered the purpose of all this and is now trying to complete an EIP for itself, and been renamed Echidna- mother of monsters. hell, for all we know, it may be running the show now
commandeered the gateway and replicator and try to become god, as one does
junior sun
Matriarch could be AI gone awry, and created Echidna
Or the experiences collected forming an AI
rain crystal
matriarch seems to have been created on purpose though, to assist in forming an EIP
junior sun
and seeking revenge on it's creators
rain crystal
"it's not really a dinosaur but idk what to call it lol" seems to point to it being an organic creature. one with some pretty terrifying powers if misused, which is exactly what happened
rain crystal
yeah
junior sun
"Mother of Cannibals (Tribals)"
rain crystal
an organic creature with possibly some psychic powers that has access and is tied to the systems running everything, since it was supposed to redistribute for study. sounds like a recipe for disaster
gilded karma
heil naw
junior sun
Well, here's a thought
Maybe the replicator is implanting human conciousness into dinos as a way to fight it
WIthout people actually being present
rain crystal
o trueeee
junior sun
Remote warfare
gilded karma
omg
rain crystal
like "shit this thing took over our systems and we can't shut it down, but we still have the ability to create and control dinosaurs, we can send them after it"
gilded karma
yes
junior sun
Exactly.
rain crystal
and they can replicate whatever they want and keep using the same consciousness over and over without any real loss
junior sun
There will be Mercs, too. I wonder if the Dinos and Mercs will team agains them?
Mercs tame and ride dinos to combat them?
rain crystal
what "them" are we talking about?
junior sun
Tribals and Echidna
gilded karma
y e s
junior sun
Tirbals are her offspring
rain crystal
uhh
junior sun
I'm assuming
gilded karma
cucumber
rain crystal
1 sec need to scroll up for 80 years to find soemthing
junior sun
XD
gilded karma
ong
rain crystal
so, we have 2 things interchangeably referred to as "tribals" and "cannibals
we have this fucker, who is officially unnamed but looks a whole lot like echidna so i'm assuming it's related to her
junior sun
And the Orcs
junior sun
I think the first is Echidna
And the Orcs are offspring. Or failed experiments. I'm not sure which
rain crystal
the first is, from the information i've gathered, supposed to be a humanoid nonplayable NPC
so like... it may be marines vs. that first critter, which is official- there were animations for it posted somewhere, i'd have to find the video, and the tribals... they get more messed up over time, i'm guessing they're some kind of failed genetic experiment
too much fiddling and their DNA becomes like an eevee and they evolve in the most disconcerting ways possible
junior sun
Hmmm....so many ways this could go!
rain crystal
wait no
okay so yeah starting at about 6:58 there it talks about playing as a cannibal
so my apologies, the posted cannibal may be old news and we are, in fact, playing as echidna's kids. which is horrifying.
rain crystal
wait
squints
...fuck it's not 2018 any more
slightly more recent and straight from dondi's mouth
thick meadow
i hear on one of dondis streams he said that they will grow into hypos so im gussing of a plant or a bug or something
opaque crane
Its meant to be tied to affinity, so if you get certain affinity you're able to or something like that
thick meadow
affinity?
distant ocean
@opaque crane
Basically affinity: Tend to your animal's needs, and behave like your animal, you again affinity. Do dumb shit like mixpack/megapack/carebear, loose affinity. Higher affinity animals are stronger than low affinty animals.
You can also unlock perks by having higher affinity
thick meadow
you realley think dondi would do that? 
distant ocean
Yes
thick meadow
distant ocean
It has been adressed several, several times
thick meadow
DAMNT MORE DAMN WORK
and how would the game know if your mixpacking or care bearing becaus isent that hard to devlop and dosent dondi know there are chill serveron the isle and what would happen every where you go its just an anxiety orgy i mean to me dont get me wrong i dont think dondi would do that becaus that to me seems like a lot of money and time so in my mind i wouldent BUT hear me out dondi can do what ever to his game
every one would be fighting
rain crystal
gonna say it's "if you stay in x range of this type of creature without attacking them"
like, if you're hanging out with a herbi for more than 10 minutes without trying to kill them, you're mixpacking or carebearing, nuff said
you either get out of their way or they get out of yours
zebras and antelopes get nervous and start trying to leave if they even spot a lion. wildebeests will actually chase lions down and toss em into the air if they get too close. if you're a herbi and a carni gets too close you should either try to run them off or leave, and if you're a carni who gets too close to an herbi you should either eat them or leave
i wonder about situations like smaller carnivores feeding off the scraps of larger ones, since there's a mechanic for that, but there could definitely be exceptions made. that and since zebras and antelopes hang out together, maybe allowances for herbivores of similar niches in an ecosystem? herbivores don't really have a reason to run eachother off unless food is scarce and the benefits to sticking together are great, so i'm interested in how it plays out
that said: this channel is for lore discussions, gameplay discussions should be elsewhere
proven juniper
i this the cannibal looks like SCP-096
coarse sonnet
I dont really see any similarities besides humanoid form
opaque crane
cannibals are less wendigo-looking (cause that looks a lot like a wendigo, I know it's not exactly) and more smashed in the face with a trash can and huge-looking
mighty abyss
I'd still take them to a steak dinner
sage wedge
doesnt look like 096 at all tbh
dusk axle
i gotta say, the lv 2 verssion of the cannibal is ma personal favorite, lv3 too but not as much as level 2
proud tusk
Because they're both generic white unga bunga type things
muted steppe
Just gonna
dusk axle
??
opaque crane
I think Bhaltair removed the scp thing, I think cause it's not really relevant to lore
mighty abyss
None of this discussion is really
thorny trail
Who else thinks that the Dinos have chips in their necks and that’s the reason they cant go near the human structures without screen distortion?
wicked onyx
Well i heard that's because the area isn't finished
thorny trail
Yeah I know, but it’d be cool if that was the case and it’s an area dinos aren’t allowed near and that’s a way of the humans keeping them away
dull osprey
i thought that was already official
digital vale
Eh, sort of. It's almost 100% sure we have some implantates and that they are reacting around human structures, but if I remember well, we don't know if it's because they want to keep us away or because the area isn't finished. Also, shouldn't we make some more updated lore website? It's quite tiring to see same sort of discussions we had many times before and having almost same conclusions.
tight isle
u guys know when u are at a human made location like the houses on north twins or dumps pool
there are these like static flickers on ur screen
well
my theory is that it is morse code
😄
i dont know how to translate morse code but
we might get a secret message out of this ^^
opaque crane
It's not. Its just static cause I'm pretty sure people woulda checked if it meant anything by now
opaque crane
You could check I guess?
timber notch
learn morse code then
tight isle
lmao sure
opaque crane
Theres charts on the internet that you can use to decode shit just use those
rain crystal
it is morse code. it's already been decoded. check the lore website that was just mentioned XP
sorry, different lore website- the static near radio tower has been decoded and is in the pinned google doc, as well as decoded morse flashes from loading screen, server join screen, etc. other areas may have different text, so it'd be interesting to see if they say anything
woeful chasm
Right since every human area has the static
rain crystal
yeah. and they may very well change with the patches. i know some areas used to have static and now don't, and some areas have a different type of static now. so who knows ¯_(ツ)_/¯
north epoch
@opaque crane Your pfp is hot
opaque crane
danke
north epoch
Legit cant wait for ptera
opaque crane
wrong place to talk about this, i thinnk
north epoch
Stego is gonna be really cool and all but I just feel as if it'll be the same play style as trike
opaque crane
*think
wraith nova
I think it wasn't static that from radio tower, but literral morse code send via pinging you can hear there.
rain crystal
ah. yeah, you're right. so there still may be morse code in the static
hm. the khorne interaction points to the gateway being a physical thing, not metaphysical as assumed from the tweets. also, we know what an EIP stands for, do we have any guesses for NEIP? it mentions that tartarus is "NEIP distribution"
woeful chasm
Maybe worth checking haha
icy onyx
Reading through the google doc I noticed that in the loading screen texts in the talk about type-h dinos the Utahraptor is mention. Would think it's really cool if there is going to be a hypo-utah
cinder hound
There is going to be one.
proven kraken
all of this lore is killing my brain
everyone says stuff about type H but idek where H is in the alphabet
gilded karma
dude this is literally saying the utahs are as smart as humans
icy onyx
Well since there are human intelligences in the dinos they basically are.
woeful chasm
I’m curious about the terminal and how it was triggered 😛
digital vale
Which terminal do you have in mind?
rain crystal
khorne triggered it, somehow. the console at the welcome screen of the game- right after the cutscene but before you search for servers or anything- is considered the terminal. the hot discussion ages ago was how to activate it
guesses ranged from key combos and specific places on the screen to click, to "it's linked to steam user ID". supposedly, everything will change when it's activated again
digital vale
Ohhh, this one. I almost forgot about it. Is there any video or stream which shows in which format did he recieve the text from the Console? I mean, how exactly the interaction with the Console (after triggering it) looked like.
woeful chasm
Nope, haven’t seen anything more
I haven’t even figured out how to open it on the main screen lol
And I think Chase was the other one that did it (in game name is Dr something can’t remember but RL name is Chase)
And a guy named IGP got an in game message pop up about oweing 1000 deaths to Apollo
timber notch
@gilded karma it compares utahs to goats in terms of smarts which I think is hilarious but it can go either way
woeful chasm
At first yes, then the gen 2 experiment made them hyper intelligent
woeful chasm
But based on other videos I think the raptor is out of the lore now
flint marten
and based on Bryan's answer to my question to him on stream a few days ago, I'd say that hypo-utah is still going to be made. I asked if any animation-work had been done on it if he was allowed to answer, and he wrote that the model has been rigged, but he hasn't done anything with it quite yet, very low priority at the moment.
but who knows, Dondi might've changed his mind without us knowing or something
woeful chasm
I could be confusing it with something else, one was mentioned a while ago but since then was never brought up again, I’ll see if I can find that video
flint marten
Here's the model in a T-pose incase you want to have a peek
check out them double sickle-talons on the feet Oo
woeful chasm
It was the Nova Raptor I’m thinking of, oops.
digital vale
The message about oweing 1000 deaths... it isn't anything unnusual, is it? These messages mostly poped up to streamers/youtubers when they were recording, for example, when Hypo Squad and Quetz joined Anthomnia's server, all the people were getting strange messages about reducing populacy. I am not sure if somebody has the whole list of these messages, around that IGP's message there was alot of them. Also damn, I didn't know Hypo Utah is already in process! I think he will be very useful, because most hypo's problem is that they cannot attack smaller prey.
woeful chasm
That I have no idea, that’s the only instance
idle pivot
some of them are lore related, some of them are for fun, some of them are fillers
woeful chasm
Lots of mystery
Are the cannibal statues still in game? Wasn’t sure if that was fairly recent or not ( know things have been quiet with the recode)
strange kite
Tbh i think they removed them a while back
dapper tree
Wasn't the matriarch some kind of creature that had evolve based on what it killed. I think Tapwing made illustrations of it.
regal locust
We know nothing of the matriarch.
Aside from, well, that right there. ^
There's been a suggestion that supposedly Don liked, but, I highly doubt it's been remembered. Basically went over a "limb forest" idea. As well as an old loading screen which went as this..
{.LEADING UP TO THE COMPOUND ITSELF. UPON REACHING THE STRUCTURE, SPECIMEN _______ BEGAN PACING. WE EXPECTED THE SAME TYPE OF RAGE ONE WOULD EXPECT FROM ANY AGGRESSIVE ANIMAL, BUT IT WAS SUBDUED,FOCUSED, AND CALCULATED. SHE WAS THE MATRIARCH, AND NO ONE WAS TAKING HER OFFSPRING. NOT HERE. NOT NOW. NOT EVER}
woeful chasm
Not based on what it killed but highly adaptable to its environment as needed probably extremely rapidly
Isn’t echidna supposedly the matriarch?
regal locust
No?
I haven't seen anything supporting the echidna specifically being the matriarch, unless you're using the word "matriarch" in a broader sense since it's been called the "Mother of Cannibals". Which, again, very old news.
woeful chasm
I’ve only found the lore stuff this past weekend so just catching up and piecing together
I’ve seen the word used in context of lore multiple times differently so that could just be I am misinterpreting “a” matriarch vs The Matriarch
regal locust
No worries, it's all breadcrumbs right now anyways.
woeful chasm
It’s a fun way they are doing it
regal locust
Eh.
woeful chasm
Do the security cameras still follow you if you are close?
regal locust
Yes.
woeful chasm
shivers so creepy
paper herald
So if the dinosaurs have human minds, wouldn’t that make every dinosaur hyper intelligent?
finite saddle
humans are stupid though
paper herald
If that’s the case, why would the utahraptor bit describe gen 2 as “near hominid level”. If humans were in there they’d just say some shit like “transfer complete”
Unless that’s just me finding excuses for the dinosaurs not to have humans piloting them, since I just really don’t like that theory
opaque crane
I mean, it's possible it was in the beginning before they decided to use human consciousness. Perhaps an accident happened that could have pushed them to try to find a way to control the dinosaurs better.
Or when they implemented human consciousness into dinosaurs, the process wasn't done properly and the human consciousness didn't fully "survive," leading to early dinosaur tests being not as intelligent as later ones where the process was perfected.
paper herald
But why humans. programmable AI is much better, and doesn’t get traumatized, if they really wanna mind control them
If they have the tech to bring back dinosaurs, they have the tech for ai
opaque crane
Perhaps to see if the transfer of a human consciousness to another body was possible. or they were some fucked up people, which I wouldn't have a hard time believing
paper herald
Neither would I, since it’s a horror game after all
I feel that human piloted dinosaurs just isn’t scary, it makes the creatures themselves less scary tbh
And why would you put human consciousness into a dinosaur, then have affinity force you to act like the dinosaur would anyway
opaque crane
idk mate
paper herald
Same, it’s confusing
wraith nova
It's not confusing, because we don't know for 100% that EIP stands for human consciousness. We know humans control/observe dinos and for 100% we know that to be able to control them they need to think they want to do what we want them to do. Whole gui points to some kind of monitor/console used for control/observation.
To be honest lore bomb might be dropped after recoding
woeful chasm
It could still be human minds even if slightly degraded due to imperfect transfer. Even today there is “social engineering” to steer people towards a given outcome with them believing it was their free will
regal locust
I'd assume that strictly the information within the brain (not the actual thing itself lmfao) such as memories 'n whatnot are simply transferred into a less developed brain.
So it's not really "there's an entire human piloting this dinosaur" it's more "you're giving this host memories (or whatever information is stored in there) and shoving it into another host."
For whatever reason.
Which is only somewhat plausible either way due to the specific mention of consciousness instead of the entire brain.
paper herald
But what about dinosaurs naturally born from nesting parents? Are they possessing human minds and memories as well?
gilded karma
@timber notch yes but after that it compares the second phase of utahs to hominids, humans
tardy python
Look at the name of the song, it’s the music for the hypos and we know you get benefitted for sacrificing things to the replicator I think it might be a hint that you have to sacrifice a certain amount of certain things to get a strain probably not 1000 but still
severe vine
Can you increase your grow speed by dooing stuff
opaque crane
1.) No
2.) Wrong channel
severe vine
Not really its a theory i had.. but thanks for clearing IT up
opaque crane
This channel is more for lore theories, not gameplay
severe vine
Sure.
strong burrow
Lol
icy onyx
i think the isle is simaler to ingen's clones
and their indom is hypo
they had a facility on the island
but the hypo broke out and destroyed everything
humans might be left on the island but most escaped but still wat the dinos
watch*
and one day they will be exterminated
probrobly
the hypos broke out
and created this survival
basicly
lucid birch
I don't know if I'd say all the dinosaurs are clones. I think it might be a combination of a Sir Arthur Canon Doyle's "Lost World", "King Kong" kind of deal. That they found this population relic, and started experimenting.
Or maybe it's like pokémon, and the way the Rocket scientists created mewtwo. They weren't trying to recreate mew, the way InGen was trying to create authentic dinosaurs, but instead, they were, from the beginning, trying to make them something more, something powerful, that was of use to their purpose.
frigid onyx
Wait so one of the theories is that it’s human conscious being put in dinosaurs. However, would that be possible considering the relatively smaller brain capacity certain dinosaurs had ?
opaque crane
It probably wouldn't be perfect
regal locust
^
Absolutely not, but it’s very plausible as that’s what they’re doing considering the death screen is pretty solid evidence as well as the direct quote from Don. We can assume that consciousnesses are being moved, but we don’t know how, who by, and why.
It’s possible that the profiles grown are given some leeway in terms of mental processing power as they’re grown from batch to batch, for instance the disparity between generation one utahraptors and generation two raptors from the old loading screen.
But, that was an isolated incident.
So we can’t be certain if that’s universally true.
(If anyone could ping me with the screenshot that don posted long long ago about the replicator that’d be really nice)
rain crystal
i mean... if altered dinos were nearing homonid intelligence anyways, that wouldn't be much of a problem. but we don't really know if we're playing as GMO dinos or normal (lol as normal as dinos can be) dinos
but considering the death screen, it seems to be less "inserting human consciousness into a dino" and more "controlling animal from some kind of console." someone pointed out that if canonically it was the players consciousness inserted into a dino, the death screen should just fade to black. but instead you get more of a connection lost/diag page, and kicked back to a "pick your character" console. you could say that when our dino dies we're kinda switching back to the replicator or system's point of view, but when you add in the keyboard clacking noise when typing ingame, it doesn't make sense. those features were added purposfully.
split aspen
^^^this
Since I first started playing the isle that's what I thought, the dinosaurs being spied on, or remotely controlled
wraith nova
That's why I wait for more information. Basically whole observing dinos is somerhing we know for 100%
fallow onyx
God, this shit is far out
regal locust
It’s been said that we’re playing in the present day, as supported by the various buildings around the islands, as well as the fact we have humans.
Also, with the death screen I’m just assuming a consciousness is moved and it’s not a new one being put in per se? I’m just going off of the fact that it mentions it’s growing something else (host?) as per the bone density, tissue, and UV protection lines in there. There’s also the the 2.5 petabytes of information being specifically moved is also something brought up in the death screen as well. If we’re going off of the whole “the replicator collects and distributes profiles” theory, then it’s very possible.
woeful chasm
Yeah it’s more like a network connection, as a Dino (host) dies, the network quickly pulls the data to move to the next host (before the brain finally dies)
Probably less a consciousness and more the memories/experience which feeds to replicator so the next time the profile is used it, in theory, won’t make the same mistakes twice
paper herald
^
Since it’s “forced evolution”, the replicator needs data on what works and what doesn’t before perfecting the animal
It seems to be a monitoring system, collecting info and such
rare kindle
So with this thought if some type of human Consciousness wether by a VR type connection of by a moved conscious something that has made me think of is the movie avatar (not the air bender one lol) and how they used the machines to transfer their mind from one living shell to another. So then that gives me the thought of if they ARE doing to avatar machine thing then could it be the same concept as in the movie where the dinosaurs are already around and are developing from GMO experiments and the humans way of watching and trackin the development is by jumping in the dino body and being among them. Just my thoughts still new to this game as well but im already in love lol
wraith nova
That wouldn't work. First it would require dinos to "not work" without human consciousness, and second who would fool around with normal animals if they could do this? I mean that would fully explain hypos to be honest but still don't think it's the case.
Also if humans would observe in that way, I kinda doubt those animals would function normally. They would be kinda schizophrenic.
rare kindle
Well again in the movie the species they observe is already there so the dinosaurs are there my thought is we have our own human made disposable dino bodies to use. Also this means normal functions normal needs to eat and drink and normal communication just like the actual dinos. Meanig they would be fully functional. But i do see how this idea may be more fitting for the hypos then just the regular dinos.
icy onyx
which movie
rain crystal
that's... not a bad theory tbh. it doesn't explain the keyboard clacking sounds, but that could be more, like... mental stuff is hard to control, you need some indicator to determine whether you're actually saying human words, vocalizing as a dinosaur, or just thinking
and if an EIP is NOT a human mind inserted into a dinosaur, that explains one of the tweets.
The unpredictable nature of a profile within the mind of a dinosaur was resolved with an affinity complex. We could not make them do what we wanted, so we convinced them that it was what they wanted.
we thought the affinity complex here referred to the affinity system, but it's more like "the dinosaurs were impossible to control with the profile inside them, so we overrode their impulses with human ones, and carrot on a stick'd the humans into acting like dinosaurs"
which seems hella convoluted but honestly, what about this ISN'T convoluted??
stoic creek
the problem is they'd be ALL humans. So theres nothing to observe unless you're wanting to spy on the oros or something
slow delta
unless you want to observe how a human mind operates in an extreme survival scenario to reveal the mysteries of the primal brain
paper herald
Then why not just observe the tribals? Or strand humans on an island and record it. If that’s all they wanted to do, why literally conjure dinosaurs back from extinction
rain crystal
there's plenty to observe. they couldn't get good results out of just dinosaurs, and humans do some crazy shit- anyone read lord of the flies? or the stanford prison experiment?
and per my theory it's not exactly about getting observations- it's about building a catologue of traits and behaviors. they couldn't genetically engineer the perfect organism, so they're trying to behaviorally engineer one
cold saffron
Maybe the human race died out. And life is reprogrammed on computers with only advanced scientists being in human form. So therefore, he only way of life is to be a dinosaur- which is contained and genetically created by these scientists.
Idk this could be a dumb theory but its been really nagging me for abor a year.
rain crystal
afaik evidence points to the human race being the one running the experiments- all the buildings, towers, dockyards, etc. seem to be built for humans
cold saffron
Maybe only for the scientists...
opaque crane
But mercenaries exist so I don't think it'd make sense that all of humanity is dead. I can't imagine the mercs are also the scientists cause that's like two different job specializations
cold saffron
Maybe they're endangered of some disease, nd the answer lies in the nature of dinosaurs or something.
opaque crane
I feel like there'd be more evidence pointing to that. Like biohazard stuff on certain buildings or something that talks about it in some way, like morse code or something
cold saffron
Hm true
shrewd tundra
could be the mercenaries are brought in to help cage the dinos when they get lose
or to guard the isle
rare kindle
the idea of all this being on an island and signs of humans plus the fact of mercenaries makes me think of the show lost. like a hidden island aspect . or like the show arrow where the people on the island are government people per say but its all super secret. so then the tribal aspects could just be the locals mixed into this unfortunately. and that could even role with the idea of the rest of the world could have reached an apocalyptic point and few humans are around and these created dinosaurs suddenly may hold an answer to something (again to everyone i am still new to game and everything going on so if something contradicts something i say apologies still learning lol)
brave ivy
Spoiler ^^^
cold saffron
Ye sorta what I was attempting to say... lol I just cant english
rare kindle
Lol thats what i got from what you said just kinda putting it all together i geuss and my own thought cause i like the idea you had about the disease thing
rain crystal
problem is what we know as the tribals are these fuckers
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/the-isle-dinosaur-game/images/f/f1/New_Cannibal_by_George_Bennett.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190130152957
per this:
icy onyx
who drew that cool one on the left? 😝
rain crystal
not sure. concept art?
tribals=cannibals=those eyeless fucks, and we know echidna is "mother of cannibals". so either echidna purposfully infected the natives with something, or she truly created them and there were no native peoples of the isle
severe lark
Cannibals and tribals arent the same thing
What we thought were cannibals are something completely different
And the art is a fan design created by members of the community
'Cannibals' as far as we can guess are the Nuerotonic strain of humans, created by Echidna who is the Nuerotonic Mastermind
rain crystal
that's literally a quote, from dondi, saying they're the same thing
reapers are humans with a neurotonic strain, that's neither cannibals nor tribals. per khorne's transcript
severe lark
'But the Tribals and the Cannibals are the same thing'
'I have referred to the things on the right and side as cannibals for you to assume a method of unlocking them that will never happen'
Tribals = Cannibals
What we refer to as cannibals do not = Cannibals/Tribals
That is what I'm saying
NotACannibal is most likely the nuerotonic strain of what we can assume are either humans or tribals, seeing as their 'mother' is also a Nuerotonic.
And reaper was a tissoplastic, that and Last I recall, isnt a thing anymore
remote jungle
Wait so if the tribals are the big ass dudes, who are the regular human tribals? Are they cancelled? Because I remember there where models for regular human tribals in game
shrewd tundra
yea u was wonder that too
cause i saw them
and figure that the cannibals where something that ALL the humans had to fear along with some dinos and meant that there are dare things going on in the isle and not just making dino weapon making
carmine marsh
@remote jungle @shrewd tundra do you mean the tribal models that were in the game early last year? they were placeholder models, store bought iirc.
shrewd tundra
mm probably but i thought i saw mode sheet/character sheet i for the life of me can't remember what they called
dull osprey
tissoplastic are no longer a thing?
wraith nova
Models used last year were place holders while staff worked on things that probably helped to implement human into game. Basicaly those native american models weren't what would tribals look.
I hope no one thought that those models will stay.
Yes, Reaper for now is scratched, at last it's concept. Whole tissoplastic strain is still working
mighty abyss
This is what I meant when I said we needed new names for the human classes
tl;dr: ugly fuqs are the tribal people, neomorph looking mophos are a separate thing
wraith nova
We thought about naming old cannibals but didn't basicaly because we stopprd theorizing after devs annouced recode and theories stopped because lack of new info
mighty abyss
I think I'm going to call them tribals and steak dinners
steady ravine
The humans classes are :
-The Cannibals/Tribals : primitive mutated people living on the island (certainly man-made)
-The Mercenaries : well....mercenaries coming from outside the island for whatever reason and able to use advanced technology
-And The Echidna-Offspring : Neuro slender-man thingy
The tribals and Echidna offsping should leave "peacefully" knowing that Echidna is in a way a god for the tribals they should regard the offsprings as choosen demi-god
wraith nova
I doubt they will care who worship who. It's probably more about tribals being mutated, probably because of contact with bio material from Echinda
sinful wraith
any idea what the new map name would mean?
woeful chasm
Dondi said the one on the left is an evolved cannibal that you have to play the goofy looking ogreish ones to eventually unlock somehow
fresh rivet
when did he say that
wraith nova
@fresh rivet Scroll up, there's video
fresh rivet
are we talking about the cannibals or the blind guys? And if the blind guys, are you doing mention of the pic above with the concept art?
i think you guys have mixed up some info
sinful wraith
hey guys since a lot of The Isle lore is connected with Greece Mythology, do you think the islands could be related to the Cyclades, in island group near Greece. At his center there is the sacred island of Delos the birth place of Appolo.
I'm not hardly convinced by that, but since we got no more lore since a while I'm just throwing random stuff`
echo gazelle
That's a pretty good theory. Greek myth is where dondi said we should be focusing on a while back. George also mentioned the transmitter being called Olympus and Site 12, there being 12 Olympus Gods and that each island or site must correspond to 1.
rain crystal
again- in that video (and the twitch stream it links to) the ogre-looking guys and the blind slendermen are stated to be the same thing. there's also videos of streamers playing as the blind slendermen things. echidna is apparently "neurotonic abnormalities generated inside of a human", reaper was "tissopastic regenerative tissue placed inside a human subject" and information was deleted regarding colossus
and yeah. the isle's lore is heavily linked to greek mythology. there's also an area known as tartarus, and the company that apollo engineering got a few of its assets from was called phoenix- brings to mind the whole "die and reborn anew" thing
sinful wraith
I tihnk the Cyclades has 13 islands
rain crystal
so: people have been playing as the eyeless guys, dondi says the eyeless guys, cannibals, and tribals are the same thing, and echnidna is being mentioned recently in tweets. i'm pretty sure the eyeless dudes are playable tribals/cannibals, and the ogre looking guys were just potential concept art, since there's no models or anything related to them that we've seen
icy onyx
There is a model of the ogre guys
rain crystal
alright, i may have to stand corrected. where?
muted steppe
Of what? Colossus or the ugly Tribal bois?
icy onyx
Tribal
muted steppe
Gimme a sec.
No model as far as I know (least one publicly revealed), but there was that concept by Rodrigo Vega.
icy onyx
Plz post
severe lark
Anywho, Tribals and NotACannibals arent the same thing. What he meant is that Cannibal and Tribal are synonymous, the things we call Cannibals are something completely different
echo gazelle
Yeah I mentioned a while ago too that the Magna could be referring to the Magnum Opus or The Great Work, basically a masterpiece. Since Magna means great. So the Isle could be a ancient facility based on Alchemy which is based on transmutation and protoscience aiming to purify or perfect certain objects. One of the known symbols of Magnum Opus was the Phoenix. On the docks in-game there's a blue container or something on the boat that says "Protos Emirates".
rain crystal
that... isn't what the twitch clip indicated
he specificially posted the concept art of the ogre guys on the left, posted the eyeless slendermen on the right, and said "they're not different, they're the same thing"
i don't really know what there is to argue with about that
severe lark
He meant names
rain crystal
if he just said their names, sure. if he showed pictures of both while talking about them being the same thing, i think they might just be the same thing
severe lark
The eyeless lads are their own thing
And are currently nameless
That and again, NotACannibal shares physical appearance that are very similar to Echidna, whom is a nuerotonic
So by that, as I said earlier, it can be inferred that NotACannibal are the Nuerotonic mutation of Humans/and or Tribals
rain crystal
alright, as of rewatching the twitch clip, you're right. the cartoon cuts off the last 3 seconds where he says the things on the right are a separate entity
so yes, he's saying the big orcs are tribals AND cannibals, and the eyeless things are nonplayable not-officially-named things
which yeah we can probably assume are related to echnidna, he did call the eyeless things cannibals for a long time, and echidna is "mother of cannibals"
sinful wraith
ok so continuing in my Greek islands theme theory, imagine if as LunchaBills said there would be 12 islands, each one representing a Greek god and in the center you have the one for Appollo, like the real myth. You think the big skeleton (island walker iirc) could be the god from this isle?
sinful wraith
Also we know Apollo is the god of the sun. "According to the Greek mythm each morning Apollo rides a golden flaming chariot across the sky bringing daylight to the world." It reminds me of this:
I know this is last summer stuff and might not be relevant at all, but this channel is for theories and I really enjoy theories and discussing about them 😃
also the tribal image we got at that moment reminds me of the vergina sun
which was a symbol used in ancient Greece
rain crystal
hmm. i'm almost seeing more of a compass rose, what with the rings on the inside of it. also, anyone else notice the kinda lopsided star symbol directly under the middle of it?
went over it in pink. it's like the kinda easy-to-draw star you'd make in a notebook
idle pivot
the larger symbol (excluding the star) looks more like an eye of providence. If this thing is what we think it is that meaning may make sense
rain crystal
oooo
yeah this is it almost exactly, was wondering what that triangular "ray" under it could be, but would make sense if it was a pyramid
idle pivot
the eye doesn't always have to have a pyramid but it can be represented with one
icy onyx
sooooo illuminati confirmed?
wraith nova
I would focus more on bloody hand prints that doesn't look like human. And fact that this image was under transmission saing "The replicator is not without it's protectors". Also it looks like skull or something was placed in middle of circle part, and "rays" seem to look like primitivly drawn humanoid form.
idle pivot
i am concerned about that skull - it kind of looks like a spino, but it's very small for that
hasty latch
Are you referring to the skulls at the bottom? Or the camera at the top?
wraith nova
That does look like camera... that is kind of creepy. I mean they worship cameras or it suggest that cameras are used by replicator?
opaque crane
What do you mean login? Also, dont think this is the place to ask
sinful wraith
I remember the main menu had a login button, but it was unclickable
I'm pretty sure it was confirmed to be here for lore reasons
we thought it had something to do with the first user to login
haha found it
Before:
After:
opaque crane
That musta been a while ago, cause I dont remember seeing that
sinful wraith
as I said, I was active here last summer and mostly came back now
so I don't know when they removed it
maybe they just removed it when they changed the main menu, cause it was not relevant
now it has way more flashing lights and morse codes
also we know the lore is evolving in real time with us
at least should, just looking at transmissions and messages
I think the devs want the game to interact with us in real life too, to make it just as if all of this were real
we are the minds that are put in dinosaurs and we are going through different phases for testing purposes
I'm mostly repeating what we already know, but that's a start 😛
sinful wraith
also i remember a song and a sci-fi video game that Dondi said the lyrics were fitting with The Isle, but I can't find it anymore
sinful wraith
ok so I think it was a dead space video with a song of Three Days Grace, but now that I look at this group many songs could correspond to The Isle
rain crystal
login button may have poofed when they had the transmissions "YOU DID NOT SAY THE MAGIC WORD" and "YOU NEVER SAW THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DOOR"
it could easily be that we're past the opportunity to unlock that console and the lore has been altered as a result
sinful wraith
but it sent a transmission greetings user
also am I the only one thinking the gateway is a network
rain crystal
so... instead of a specific user entering it, we're all considered the user, and our actions may all have effects
rain crystal
not at home right now to review khorne's console interaction again but i know it mentions the gateway a couple of times in there. whether that interaction is still relevant or recent is up to debate
sinful wraith
yeah the console stream is getting really old
woeful chasm
Yeah two users I think got into that terminal
Supposedly a third needs to to kick off the next phase, but I’m guessing we can’t yet.
sinful wraith
can you send me any source?
I believe you, but I want access to all information I don't know yet 😃
also by looking an the three OST songs "Thousand Life Contract" "Acts of God" and "Welcome to the Isle"
We know the names mean something and since they were all released at the same time, I wonder if there's a certain link between them.
Theory 1. I wonder if they have an order, like you made a contract with a god and with his acts came the Isle or
Theory 2. Each song could represent a "faction" meaning mercenaries, tribals and dinosaurs. Dinosaurs are users that gave their life? Tribals worship a god? and mercenaries just arrive on The Isle.
woeful chasm
Tribals worship the replicator which brings everyone back to life, we don’t know if the replicator is AI or Human or what
Which part did you want a source for?
sinful wraith
where it says 2 peeps have logging
and that at the third one we would get another phase
digital vale
This is the message that triggered when Khorne logged https://twitter.com/theisleofficial/status/1014274575914405888 I don't know about the second person, sadly. If you need interaction Khorne had with the console, there you go - https://taterfilore.wixsite.com/theisleslore/console-interaction-1
Twitter
sinful wraith
how are we sure it is Khorne
because I was here when someone logged and I don't remember the person that logged in being known to the public
iirc even Khorne, which I spoke with said it wasn't him, unless he lied
digital vale
Because he wrote it here on the Discord. I don't think he would just made up whole interaction with the console, that would be so much complicated and useless...
sinful wraith
I don't know how he got to interact with the console, but it happened like months before that tweet, so I don't think these 2 things are related
digital vale
Well, maybe it was the second person. I don't remember who it was, but somebody mentioned him here.
woeful chasm
A guy named Chase was the second
sinful wraith
how do you know that
woeful chasm
It’s from the video in the pinned messages
Khorne, Dr Chase (galli?) and Dr. Vega
First two interacted and third is just mentioned (one of the original artists)
digital vale
Damn, I never realized those were real people. I thought this was staff from AE, thanks for info.
woeful chasm
Yeah if you haven’t watched it, I’d recommend that video
In pinned messages -> TheIsleLore link -> Lore Summary
Then you’ll start looking at the videos since then and get more intrigued 😉
digital vale
I feel quite ashamed, I've been looking at that page for ages and never clicked on that video 😄 again, thank you
sinful wraith
Isle Lore is a complicated thing
but still, if Dr. Chase interacted with the console too, it meanns he logged in way before the tweet
before I thought the way to login was in the main menu
did you know it changes depending of the time of the day?
digital vale
I believe it doesn't change, but I didn't check it. I wouldn't be surprised if there is no way to login again for now and we will need to wait for that big update.
sinful wraith
that was not a question
I mean, it does change
wanted to know if you knew it
the menu is full of morse codes and the codes you get are different depending of the time of the day
it uses the time of your computer
it is like that since they updated it. I know it's @ dinosauriac that made the new menu, but I can't remember the official date it was updated
I can't find a patch note for that
also the lighting is diffirent
digital vale
Ah, I thought you mean the "Login" button, which I believe dont change. So... maybe it has something to do with the Gateway? Like, we need to look up in the right time of the day to see the path to Gateway? (But I'm probably mistaken)
sinful wraith
that's what I think too
I remember at that time we all assumed it was at night
like full moon or something
but now that I think about it, Dondi said to focus more on the greek myth and we know that the god Apollo makes the sun rises every day
so I'm wondering if it's not at dawn
I also think the gateway acts as a network
now I want to know if there's a link between when they updated the main menu and when the user logged in
but can't find the exact moment they make the change
woeful chasm
I think the login button was the the way to access the terminal since Dondi had said it needed to be “repaired” to get in (it used to say it was locked by a system administrator or something)
But now it is gone. So unless there is something on the map now I think that part is possibly done?
sinful wraith
it probably means we can't connect to it anymore
maybe cause the devs don't want another user to have access yet?
woeful chasm
Unless it is a physical place, but then again why would a dinosaur be able to use it... so probably just devs aren’t ready for it
sinful wraith
if they chose to remove the button, it probably means you absolutely needed it to log
digital vale
I think it just really means for now there is no access to the terminal, or that we used all the chances to log in. Or maybe we are missing something, but that would really mean we need to find when the Login button was removed. Maybe checking some Isle youtubers to find out when + - that button dissapeared?
sinful wraith
most youtubers starts the gameplay already in game
sinful wraith
rn I want to know when they updated it, oldest post I see about it is dated from July 17th
looter posted when a patch came out in the # devbranch, but I think they deleted that channel
might just wait and hope that Dino will read and cooperate 👀
woeful chasm
👍
rain crystal
i'm still prettu sure the vanishing of the login button and the "magic word" tweets means our time for unlocking the console may be past
sinful wraith
I do think it is passed to
rain crystal
and as for the gateway... the tweets seem to focus more on the emotional, maybe even metaphysical side of things, hinting at costs and "i swear i'll bring them back". but we know from the console interaction that the gateway IS a physical mechanism, possibly even a network
sinful wraith
but for example, knowing that log in is made with the main menu can be a helpful information
rain crystal
so while the tweets can be taken as hints, they do seem more like... musings, almost. someone's diary. while the console interactions are inputs/outputs given by a computer, database, or "profiles"
the tweets also mention seeing them all right before you fall asleep, idk if they can be taken as literal
sinful wraith
I'm pretty sure the huge amounts of transmissions we received was clearly cause they wanted someone to log in
they even mocked us at some point
it's one of the reason I'm even more sure the lore is in real time on pair with real life
twin vale
small tidbit if nobody's noticed: the radar dish icon on the game's main menu is actually a link to the Olympus Transmitter account.
sinful wraith
Dino is a perfectionist
gritty cedar
bro i was watching the trailer for this game on steam, and it say to like survive and blah blah blah but in the end it says to escape. What is the ultimate goal of the game beyond surviving? Are we supposed to make it off the isle?
sinful wraith
we don't know
see, an important part of the game is to figure out what we're supposed to do
gritty cedar
yeah i can see like all of the hints and small details they leave for us to figure out
echo gazelle
I noticed it links but the question is whether it's useful for something. Maybe some form of signal can be sent. Idk.
sinful wraith
I would like to think so
but I don't think they have power on how steam works once you clicked on a link
but I guess you meant the icon itself on the menu
echo gazelle
Yeah. Would be cool if we were able to emit a signal. Like how various morse codes said Awaiting signal from Dockyard or System Reboot required
gritty cedar
well if ya really think about it, we could have figured out the answer already and the devs just haven't gotten it in game yet
sinful wraith
the goal is that the lore evolves as we play
so if that was the case (which I really think is not) they would just change it before they release it
prolly that the devs haven't decided yet what they wanna do with it
but I've seen someone saying that Dondi intended that only one person would manage to finish the game
I thinks it goes in the same direction than AE wanting to create the perfect organism
woeful chasm
And if that person does “win” what happens after? No more incentive to “win” then
sinful wraith
idk
we don't know if that's real or not, and if it is I don't think Dondi knows exactly what he'll do with it
sinful wraith
do we know what EIP stands for?
rain crystal
yeah
Embryo Intelligence Profile. we know what it stands for, we don't know what that is
mighty abyss
Well, where does EIP pop up?
slow delta
I think the loading screens
sinful wraith
The console stream
EIP are superior organisms, completes profiles, we are profiles
They need to passe the gateway to enter what is called Tartarus (Tartarus might be non canon anymore)
But EIP and gateway are
digital vale
I don't think EIPs are completed profiles - or, most of them. They are subjects for completion, and once they are completed / overcome Replicator, they gain access to Gateway and are transported to Tartarus, a.k.a. the place where - I believe - are monsters created. Also I remember reading that only one profile can be completed, which could explain what were you talking about before - that only one player can be transported into Tartarus and became ultimate monster.
sinful wraith
iirc in the console it is said that Khorne profiles is completed
digital vale
Where? I only found that Khorne's profile isn't completed and that he is running out of time. The only thing mentioned about finished profiles is "Do not listen to the other profiles. They are not complete. Only one will be complete." which doesn't exactly say that Khorne has EIP completed - But I must agree that in the end of the Console Interaction, there is mentioned he is located in the Tartarus, which... doesn't quite make sense.
sinful wraith
yeah you're right mb
I found out what I wanted to know about the replicator
I tihnk it is still canon
and the tribals would protect the replicator?
woeful chasm
I believe it said his was completed and one more needs to be completed for the next phase
sinful wraith
iirc we're in phase 2
waiting for phase 3
maybe we could try to note what are the diffrences between the 2 phases
woeful chasm
Yes only one profile can be completed however all profiles are subject to completion and will be merged
digital vale
Well, if his profile was completed... what does it exactly mean? If I understand well it has something to do with having experience with all the dinos, but what exactly it is? And how did Khorne did it? It's shame he is no longer active on Discord server (or is he?), I would really like to know how exactly looked like his login into console.
Oooh... not sure if I understood it well, but does it mean if we complete "another" profile, Matriarch would be sent to Tartarus? But why would they wait for the finished EIP? Do they want to insert those experiences into Matriarch?
sinful wraith
by that time I think we already completed another profile
and by whe, I mean an individual
also I can't find Khorne in the discord anymore so I think he just left
and I'm pretty sure that even if he was here, he wouldn't give you any information
finally, someone else logged in date of the July 3rd who is still anonymous
and what it changed is unknown too
digital vale
But why? I find it kinda weird that he nor anybody else gave us some specific information (except, of course, the Console Interaction). But did something else happened during the interaction that tell them to NOT make it public? Waitwaitwaitwait, where did you find it?
Twitter
sinful wraith
yea
this was the time I was the most active here
we received like 7 transmissions a day
until someone logged in
that makes me thing the devs were giving more and more clues cause they needed someone to log in
but I don't know if it was someone random like us, and if it was, it was probably staged
digital vale
Hm... now Im wondering, do we know what the dots on the radar state for? I remember disscussion around it, but I'm not sure if we find conclusion.
woeful chasm
So right now it’s the all father phase right? One more profile unlocks the matriarch phase
Also I heard when cannibals are ready (their sounds are creepy as all hell!) they won’t be immediately playable to us but either AI or Devs (not even posting patch notes for them) so one day you could be trotting along, hear the creepiest noises (like the grudge) and all of a sudden be attacked
And it’s the ones with the longer arms and no face that I think are “evolved” from the first
sinful wraith
also we need to take into account that all the stings that are related to Primal Carnage are not canon anymore
that's why I am careful with the console because devs confirmed that a lot of things are outdated
woeful chasm
Right
sinful wraith
but I think that the core concept of having profiles, with some that can be completed (or upgraded at least) to make them EIPs that can then go to Tartarus is still the same
sinful wraith
It's been a while since we heard of Tartarus, so it might have change
sinful wraith
also I think the definition we got for the gateway and the replicator are still the same
like what? you mean in the game files?
sinful wraith
iirc Dondi said he wouldn't hide the clues in the game files
sinful wraith
might have change
but for sure after the recode, we'll need to be aware of any changes
woeful chasm
Yup, will be fun
sinful wraith
I guess the optimized code will let them be way mores subtile
I'm curious about what the replicator role is exactly, cause it looks to have it's own mind
woeful chasm
We don’t exactly know 😉
sinful wraith
yeah that's why theories exist 😛
woeful chasm
Three possibilities
sinful wraith
woeful chasm
- Human controlled - not likely
- AI controlled, either self aware or an algorithm glitched
- Echidna controlled
woeful chasm
I think she was the human test subject of the Neuro strain
woeful chasm
sinful wraith
also we need to get the difference between generations and cycles
woeful chasm
Well we know we are at least 2 generations in
As mentioned with raptor testing, 2nd gen has near human intelligence
sinful wraith
where is that mention?
I believe you, I'm just curious
I believe you, I'm just curious
sinful wraith
so when the Olympus Transmitter refers to Gen 1, it is not a gen of profiles
woeful chasm
Huh?
sinful wraith
so the last one I sent could refer to the first generations of cannibals especially or something else
woeful chasm
I feel like the second seems to be more cannibals
First could refer to when they first started adding profiles to the Dino’s
woeful chasm
13 oct 2018
sinful wraith
ok
woeful chasm
Doesn’t make sense now that I think about it
woeful chasm
One says will clear at 1000 other says cleared
sinful wraith
they never reached that 1000
but why it would take a yer to finally do it
except these 2 tweets refer to different species
they all started with a gen 1
woeful chasm
I think there are profile generations (us) and generations for their experiments with the strains
sinful wraith
I think profiles are mostly doing cycles
and the replicator takes every information at each end of your cycles, to put in in the next generations
woeful chasm
I don’t know if each time you die your profile then has a new generation?
digital vale
Sorry for going back to that transmission "What does a machine dream of?" buuuuuut, isn't that reffering to Blade Runner? The book's original name is "Do the androids dream of electric sheep?", which is quite popular SciFi book/movie.
woeful chasm
Also how would profile generations work with offspring?
sinful wraith
I'm sure the tweet of what a machine dream of referred to something more cultural than in The Isle itself
but had no idea what, it might be Blade Runner, but I haven't watch the movies
I don't think each time we offspring it is a new generation, but more a new cycle
each generation seems to be a long process rather than a profile lifetime
if it was, we would be so evolved compared to the beginning
sinful wraith
idk, since we know AE wants us to do the same patterns again and again
we're only here for them to record informations
woeful chasm
True but I think that is where the affinity system steps in, “we couldn’t tell them what to do, we had to make them think it was something they wanted”
digital vale
Didn't gens meant old and updated models of dinosaurs? For example, the new Stego model is Genotype v3.
woeful chasm
Is that a wave of dinosaur or the third pass on the stego?
sinful wraith
I don,t know if dino rework are related to the lore or a fix to gameplay issues
digital vale
I think it was talked about it before, but well, if the reality and the game itself are really that much connected, I wouldn't be surprised if updated model = new gen.
sinful wraith
but if we follow the theory that each generations is stronger than the precedent, it wouldn,t apply to many dinos
digital vale
Hm, true...
sinful wraith
and many dinos received new models and we never heard of their generations before
woeful chasm
I feel like that applies to the profiles, idea being you wouldn’t make the same mistakes = stronger
Not that the species themselves are evolving outside of the strains
sinful wraith
idk if we can call that "generations" with the sense they gave it
sure each profiles gets stronger with each cycles
but I think if we speak about gen 2 or gen 3, it means much stronger specimens
not that you died 3 times and revived 3 times
some people would already have reached gen 1000 and from the loading screens, utahs jumped from goat intelligence to hominid intelligence with only one generation
so scale that to a thousand
woeful chasm
They won’t go beyond human intelligence
sinful wraith
Carno gen 2 already had increased physical aptitude and metabolism
I think if that would apply to every time we start a new life as Carno, the devs would find a way to implement these ameliorations in game
woeful chasm
There could be something that every 1000 deaths as a certain Dino you get updated in some way, I dunno
But I think from the loading screens it refers to their experiments to get profiles in dinosaurs and have their physiology accept that interaction without degeneration
It could impact refer to a “balance” pass on the Dino.
sinful wraith
maybe
fallow heron
is there anything else you can interact with on the menu screen?
i don't have this game yet unfortunately so i can't test it out myself, but maybe you need to click in a specific pattern at a certain time? i would say at dawn or at the exact peak of the sun, and the pattern might be connected to an apollo myth
sinful wraith
that's what I thought when the login button was still here, but now it sin't anymore
and I got the confirmation from Dino that this button was removed cause of the bad reviews it brought to the game
fallow heron
there is one myth in particular. the details are really fuzzy but basically someone other than apollo, i think a son of his? he steals apollo's chariot but he can't control the steeds, so they scorch the earth in some places and he is also attacked by the creatures of the sky, i remember one was the scorpion constellation. the son ended up dying, much to apollo's grief. that's the myth that i think might be related
sinful wraith
interesting I didn,t know of that myth
woeful chasm
I think Apollo riding over the sky to bring the sun is more relevant
“Look to the sky, the path to Gateway was there all along”
fallow heron
hmm i just checked and it was actually hesiod, the previous sun deity, and his son
sinful wraith
you think the right moment would be at the sunrise?
woeful chasm
I’ve looked at night, never thought to look then
sinful wraith
same haha
I think the in game time for the sunrise is 5:00 AM cause iirc the birds sounds and the lighting change at that moment
but I wonder if it could be related to real life, since the console menu adapts to our current time of the day and not in game
maybe the console at 5:00 AM is different?
woeful chasm
Maybe
sinful wraith
the thing is I don't think the sun was ever referred as an important part of the lore
only clues are the Apollo myth
the tribals image we got on twitter also made me think of a sun, but I am the only to think that
woeful chasm
It does a bit, someone else said a compass because it has inner rings
fallow heron
the only thing that i can find about apollo and a gateway is that one of his epithets is Apollo Thyraeus, where he is a protector of doorways
woeful chasm
Do we even know what Tartarus even is?
fallow heron
nothing comes to mind immediately
but hold on, tartarus is a pit, so the only opening would be above
might be a stretch but its something
sinful wraith
in the console stream it is said that Tartarus is where EIP goes after their profile is completed
and that Khorne was already in Tartarus at that moment
but we don't know what is physical implication is in The Isle, we only know they myth
also we didn't get confirmation of if it's still canon or not in a while
woeful chasm
Some of them mention replicate to known observable areas of Tartarus... does that make it the collection of islands?
sinful wraith
the islands may be in Tartarus
fallow heron
in the myths apollo narrowly avoids being thrown into tartarus twice
sinful wraith
if I ever see Dondi active on the server, I'll try asking him if Tartarus is still canon
fallow heron
awesome
junior sun
I always thought tararus referred to the islands too
sinful wraith
it is said that the gateway transports the EIPs to Tartarus
so if we didn't pass the gateway yet it might mean we're not in Tartarus
maybe Tartarus is not all the islands, but only some of them
fallow heron
or maybe it's the way out? i've suddenly been reminded of maze runner, where they escape the maze only to find themselves in a laboratory in the middle of a desert. the gateway is up, that's where they come from but that's also how you can get out, and then you find out that there's a bigger picture
Tartarus could also be a code name for a person or company, if you keep in mind that Tartarus is not only a place but also a primordial entity
woeful chasm
I think Tartarus is the islands and more, “observable areas” would be the islands within Tartarus
sinful wraith
what could be the goal of the gateway then
the gateway is supposed to transport EIP in Tartarus, but they would already be in Tartarus
woeful chasm
It can still be how you enter the system and move between areas while still being in Tartarus
sinful wraith
True
woeful chasm
Don’t have too long to wait for an update I don’t think, recode time frame I think is second half of July
Or the higher end is Oct 1. They could easily hide updates in game
sinful wraith
can they send updates without steam recording it?
woeful chasm
What do you mean?
sinful wraith
can the devs push updates without us noticing it?
woeful chasm
Unless your steam updates automatically overnight not really
However they don’t have to reveal any changelogs
sinful wraith
at least we'll know when to look out 👀
unique path
They did one time have a update that was over 1G
But the change log didn’t particularly reflect its size.
I imagine they could easily put things in without stating it in the change logs.
I don’t recall ever seeing anything about the hypocarno in the updates, but it’s there.
sinful wraith
I also think the size of the updates were because the game wasn't optimized
woeful chasm
They are under no obligation (that I’m aware of) to release any changelogs. We could just get a random update one day and have to hunt for what changed
woeful chasm
Seems silly to release an update that did nothing
sinful wraith
nothing lore wise
woeful chasm
That’s true
dapper tree
Maybe the islands are a simulation and tartus is the real world. Kinda how scientist will run simulations before trying to actually do things.
woeful chasm
I suppose that is possible, however we know things went terribly wrong right? That points to them being real animals/creations
I.E humans pushed too far and Nature fought back
dapper tree
Maybe the simulations had issues like a virus
woeful chasm
Suppose the systems could of been corrupted by one which led either to a human consciousness getting trapped/fused with the AI making the replicator
sinful wraith
the thing special with The Isle is since the lore is tied with the real life we must consider their world the same than ours
I wonder what motivates them to make such experiments
dapper tree
To quote Jurassic world 2 "your scientists were so concerned with whether you could, that they didn't think if they should.
trim comet
When somebody uses a quote I always feel like they're really smart even though they normally are just some random nerd copy and pasting stuff from an old website for a movie from 4 years ago
sinful wraith
They still remembered the quote at first before using it
Also, I’m pretty sure Dondi like the old Jurassic Park movies. There may have clues on this side too
woeful chasm
Yup by Ian Malcom
dapper tree
It's been a while. I tried my best
woeful chasm
it looks awesome 😛
cinder atlas
feral pond
Oh boy, how much clutter do I need to clean up now
sinful wraith
haha sky good luck deleting that
feral pond
😉
nimble wasp
I just read through like two weeks of messages and this is my first addition to this chat. I've not nearly been involved in the lore of this game for long enough to contribute on a lot but one thing I can add to is Greek Myth seeing as I study it professionally and have been for five years now. So I though I would throw some myth at you for ya'll to try and piece into the lore through the power of jolly cooperation. Apologies in advance if I say anything already covered. So obviously I assume we've made the connection that Echidna is 'mother of monsters' in greek myth, mate of Typhon one of the most dangerous hombres to ever grace Greek myth. Typhon and Echidna are the parents of Tartarus (who is both the place and the deity because things can't ever be easy)
I've also seen a lot of mention of Apollo, as the god of the sun. Which is technically correct although a lot of the time he gets more of his rep from his archery domain. In any case his twin sister is Artemis, goddess of hunting (among other things). So they both have connections with archery and hunting. Similar to the central them of a carnivores life eh?
Of course in Greek myth there is of course and actual God of the sun, His name is Helios he's generally a pretty swell dude. Someone earlier mentioned who he thought was Apollo's son taking his chariot and burning the landscape. However, that was actually Helios' son, Phaethon who bragged he could control his father's chariot despite being half mortal and therefore not strong enough to control the godly flying fire breathing horses and promptly fucked everything up by losing control and burning the landscape. He was then swiftly killed by Zeus mid flight to prevent him burning all mortals in the world to death
this is of course just one of many stories in Greek myth as most of them have 3+ known variations but I generally hedge my bets and use Hesiod's Theogony as a base as it usually includes the most 'common' version of myths used by people
So yeah, thats all the myth additions and minor corrections I could add to in the couple of hundred messages I skimmed through. If anyone has any specific points on any deity or place in Greek myth that you think might be linked to the lore pop them here and @ me or whatever.
sinful wraith
your knowledge might be really helpful
nimble wasp
yeah thats my hope, I didn't realise that this awesome game had lore connected to one of my biggest passions so its really a win win for me
dull osprey
how is apollo associated with the sun, then ?
toxic obsidian
Tartarus (from what I know) was created after Gaia was lonely and asked Chaos (a gloomy, soupy mist with just all matter in the cosmos floating around) for a dome above the world, the sky. Chaos created it. Then, he decided to create a dome below the earth.
Apollo, because he was flashy and stuff, generally became accepted as the Greek god of the sun while his sister became the Greek goddess of the moon. He drives the sun chariot across the sky every day.
dull osprey
helios or apollo's chariot?
toxic obsidian
Technically, its Helios who drives the chariot across the sky
However the Greeks believed it was Apollo
nimble wasp
Yeah it gets pretty complicated but Helios is the sun technically and yeah I totally mixed up tartarus' position I meant to put that Typhon is tartarus' son
Apollo was so diverse and important in Greek and Roman culture that he was kinda given power over a bunch of domains that were strictly speaking the jurisdiction of other deities
like healing for example was supposed to be the perview of Asclepius, god of medicine. But Apollo was also worshipped as a God of healing and medicine
toxic obsidian
Also, I believe that they are not gods, but Titans. While it does mention "Poseidon and Zeus", the Titans were the first born of Gaia. The ancestors of every god and goddess. And Kronos (son of Gaia) fathered the gods (children of Rhea, also child of Gaia) and swallowed them, after hearing the phropecy they would one day overthrow him. The titans also controlled, the Earth in a way. They controlled time, the north, south, east, west, oceans, clear sight, natural law and fairness, fresh water, future, memory, and motherhood. In a way, they controlled the aspect of life. Kind of like how the hypos/neuros/other strains.... control the population or....life on the server. And Tartarus, coincidentally is where the Titans were held when the gods overthrew them.
dull osprey
are there references to the isle being tartarus ?
nimble wasp
then in around 5th century BCE the Greeks started combining the two into Apollo-Helios as joint worship of deities could be quite common
And yeah Echo you're correct. Helios is a titan god. In general the order of succession Goes, Chaos and Gaia, the primordials, the Titans, the Gods, the Giants but of course some myths vary
Tartarus is basically the general holding cell for everything that wasn't a 'God' that survived the Titanomachy
toxic obsidian
Well, some of the Titans that either A. sided with the gods or B. didn't pick a side, were left alone
@dull osprey Well in the lore there is a containment facility called "Tartarus" which was used to hold the dangerous strands
nimble wasp
Aye thats true, but even some of the beings that sided with the gods got punted to tartarus because Zeus is temperamental like that
toxic obsidian
True
nimble wasp
it really wouldn't surprise me if something called Typhon ends up have being held in Tartarus facility considering thats where he was imprisoned in myth
but what exactly it would be is beyond my imagination considering Typhon is almost the closest thing Greek myth ever got to a big bad evil guy
toxic obsidian
Well, I would say
He got the closest to defeating the gods
ever
Was the son of Gaia and Tartarus
idle pivot
Typhon is actually a bit interesting if you also look alongside some of the characters and places in the isle's lore right now
toxic obsidian
So technically, Typhon is related to the Titans, therefore further connecting the idea that the strains are in fact Titans not gods
nimble wasp
an alternate interpretation of where he was imprisoned was under a mountain so if any secret mountain facilities show up the theory could be even more likely largely depends on which version of the myth the devs are using
toxic obsidian
Yes, Zeus threw a mountain on him
What if one of the mountains holds Typhon under it?
And as he awakens, it becomes a volcano
nimble wasp
And in the case of the game it might make sense that Typhon is similar to Echidna his mate so if we discover exactly what Echidna is our understanding may become clearer
perhaps Typhon could be a more powerful version of Echidna not yet unearthed/activated/awoken
toxic obsidian
While Echidna is not the real mother she is considered the mother of all monsters
So she was like the adopted mother
nimble wasp
oh yes of course mythologically speaking, I meant in game terms
toxic obsidian
Yeah
But it would be pretty cool if one of the mountains was a dormant volcano
And as Typhon awakened
It became active
wraith nova
I need to disturb a little that great analyse, Hades is codename for Hypo Carno
Though it doesn't change much as in Hades's domain included Tartarus
ivory geode
just in case u are wondering guys I think the announcement was for Godzilla King of monsters look at that picture Punch posted and at the Godzilla's 2019 poster
void oxide
wraith nova
It was for Godzilla, it was stated on Steam
toxic obsidian
Hades did not include Tartarus
ivory geode
Oh didnt saw that xD
toxic obsidian
Tartarus is both a deity and a place
nimble wasp
Yup Hades is also a deity and a place. And Tartarus the place is in the underworld AKA Hades
toxic obsidian
Well from what I know Hades controls the Underworld and Tartarus controls, well, Tartarus
wraith nova
Apparently I was lied to during history lessons. Also a lot documentaries apparently lies.
Anyway, it actually makes sense. But still what is Tartarus?
loud adder
isnt tartarus where they keep the titans and other bad mortals and gods
correct me if im wrong
toxic obsidian
Tartarus is a primordial being. The sky under the earth. The "realm" of monsters in a way.
loud adder
so its greek hell right
toxic obsidian
yes and no
toxic obsidian
The Underworld is where mortals go when they die
Tartarus is where monsters go when they die
digital vale
Well, that really makes sense, especially if Isle's Tartarus is place where they keep/create monsters like Colossus, Reaper or Echidna.
sinful wraith
I wonder if Echidna came before or after AE
like was she created in laboratory by AE
or was she native to the isle with the tribals and is against AE
loud adder
i was thinking
digital vale
Echidna was create (probably) by AE. They wanted to test out neuro abnormalities inside human. Also, somebody said she was originally woman with cancer.
loud adder
maybe if the tribals were cannibals that were infected
that apollo engineering tested them to make strains if you will
just an idea
sinful wraith
who said she was a woman with cancer
loud adder
no
tribals were cannibals that were infected with a strain type drug made by AE.
my thought
digital vale
I believe it was @woeful chasm , but I'm not 100% sure. I have bad memory at remembering names.
Whiiiich could quite explain that "abnormality" they were talking about. The cancer cells could mutate and make her into that spooky creature she is now.
loud adder
arnt cannibals and their genus neuro strains
digital vale
Depends of which cannibals are you talking about. People are misunderstood that those spooky white creatures = cannibals, but in reality cannibals = troll / neandrtales looking humanoid creatures.
woeful chasm
Echidna was created by AE testing Neuro on humans
frozen bolt
I had an idea that a mutant Dilophosaurus would have a throat pouch, and be able to blow sound through it's crests to mimic the calls of other dinosaurs. leading them to their doom in the dead of night
digital vale
I'm wondering, is there any way to find Khorne's ID? I believe when you finally log into the console and select the language, they want you to identify yourself by your ID - but it looks like only Khorne's ID has access for "asking the questions" or has Administrator Privileges.
slow delta
Some people used to think it was his steam id