IDs always start with 7656119
#isle-lore-theories
novel kindle
echo gazelle
Nope, not thieir ID, it's someone else's ID
echo gazelle
Oh that one's pretty creepy
raw olive
If they are dev sent then screw off kek
placid harness
Bottom of the lake
raw olive
Scared me
placid harness
I think I know which lake.
raw olive
o h n o
placid harness
H-Spino can swim at the bottom of lakes.
ember flame
yah
placid harness
Be careful bro
I just realized it could be encouraging suicide too.
That's evil if so.
Messages telling players to go near strains.
Gotta get that 1000 live contract faster am I right
wait
tiny carbon
Only way to get to the bottom of the lake is to use admin commands to teleport yourself there. So we couldn't get there if we wanted to right now
placid harness
Unless you are dead
tiny carbon
I mean, I guess that's one way yeah
ember flame
this is getting juicy...
arctic rune
Deepest lore
last nebula
hearty mulch
Rename the lake lore lake
warped coral
because its d e e p?
arctic rune
raw olive
That could be seen as "The end is never the end" or "The end is never"
Both mean basically the same thing
half sinew
slow delta
.611 blah blah
could it be a growth number?
also this is some pretty intriguing lore sauce
half sinew
nah wasn't growth
vernal kiln
How often are these occurring and where?
arctic rune
So, G2-PCH means gen 2 pachy, possibly there's more codes for every other dinosaur
grizzled dune
echo gazelle
damn, I will have to piece this all together when i get back, it just got interesting
warped coral
AE-012 was meant to be the replacement "main" map when the original v3 was corrupted and thought unrecoverable. It has since been scrapped/ shelved. From a lore standpoint its likely that v3 will later be referred to as AE-012 as it is extremely likely to be the main map for the game going forward and thus, the site of much of the lore and secrets once they get added as development progresses
gritty coral
Olympus Transmitter did this awhile ago and its showing again but in game? What is going on here.
glacial moth
echo gazelle
Yeah there are a few according to the screenshots. I remember a Dev saying the Static is something that has yet to be properly shown, maybe the same static we get near human structures will be replaced by these messages. They could be just a test right now since it happens at random and isn't triggered somehow.
pure plover
What is this stanley parable bs
slow delta
I know its a pain but someone should totally try to die 1000 times on official
Although i doubt anything happens
With all the regular players someone must have hit that threshold unless it needs to be done consecutively in 1 sitting
nimble flare
barren skiff
it is like 20.000 minutes if you run in to ocean instant (calculated 2 mins with loadscreens etc maybe more) , it is around 335 hours, so no one sitting for 1 player if you divide it by 100 it is 3,5 hours of a full servers constantly dying in water and spawning again.
not so realistic
slow delta
Yeah but then surely someone must have racked 1000 deaths all this time no?
echo gazelle
I don't think it could be as simple as dieing 1000 times. The origin of that text are unknown for all we know, it could mean something completely different.
Also maybe it doesn't have to deal with yourself dieing but taking 1000 lives of others
mellow kiln
Killing 1000 people in 1 life? That is almost impossible
icy onyx
it can be done
echo gazelle
I mean depends on the Dino, now of course no Dryosaurus is taking 1000 lives in any of its days. But perhaps a Hypo Rex? Things are killing machines
icy onyx
If you are the best isle player ever
mellow kiln
or if you cheese it
echo gazelle
Also maybe even with a Neuro, I feel like those things take lives left and right
icy onyx
magnas have better chances at killing things imo. just due to them still being a powerhouse that can sustain itself I think magnas are 2x better than hypo since they basically are a better version of them
vernal kiln
I think it's just a generally large number to reinforce the idea that you are never completing this goal and that you will be trapped forever with AE or Apollo
And for the numbers next to the G-2 pachy thing, It is probably a randomly generated ID for the dinosaur itself or an individual tracked number for that dinosaur
Just my thoughts
echo gazelle
Possibly, maybe it explains the end is never the end, a number given but no debt is being received
vernal kiln
Maybe the debt of live exponentially increases as you play the game in the sense. Sort of like indentured servitude worked, a debt that needed to be payed that just kept growing as time goes on.
echo gazelle
Yeah just endless time, only survive is what can be done. A Transmitter also tweeted The Man you owe cannot collect his debt. Another said We cannot guarantee who you will become when you come out the other side, if you even survive at all
vernal kiln
Hmm...Maybe that last one hints to experiments they are doing to the rouge Apollo, sticking people in and seeing what it does to them with what ever virtual reality or connection link goes to the dinos
That's a bit of a stretch though
atomic parrot
I think that you need to live 1000 successful lives where you act as your dinosaur and manage to reproduce at the end, passing the job forwards.
slow delta
that would take even longer
tribal trench
^
That's like.. Atleast 2000 hours or smth if u go dryo and nest as soon as u press growth (cba to calculate and idk dryo growth time rn)
dense cradle
if i'm right thats 30,000 hours
tribal trench
not sure, depends on dino
sullen terrace
@raw olive maybe "the bottom of the lake" means that weird hole that just randomly popped up which is just filled with fog
the one where you can swim arround in but there is no water in it
raw olive
Could be like a cave wip or something
tiny carbon
There actually is a cave wip
Under a waterfall
It actually seems to resemble that tribal stone entrance concept that was shown off awhile ago but is collapsed
And there's static around it because if the ruins nearby (or maybe that's not just coincidence)
regal locust
@tiny carbon , mind sending me screens?
twin vale
@sullen terrace you're referring to a bug. the sinkhole is missing a kill volume right now, and it's deep enough that it goes below sea-level so you unintentionally start swimming if you fall in.
sullen terrace
oh ok did not know that
ty
pallid tiger
What if the scars on the dinos are a hidden message?
regal locust
Trust me, there’s no hidden messages in the scars.
pallid tiger
Right.
sinful hatch
Well, I think you are right, I don't believe you need to die 1000 times, the steam store page states that it will take the entire community to figure out what happen, so it could indeed have something to do with our collective achievements.
The man who cannot collect suggests that the creator might be dead already or he himself has transcended into an animal (since we are assuming we are dealing with conscious transfers).
the sinkhole I have never actually seen personally.
crisp moon
I believe that pue will be AI as food for hypos
echo gazelle
@crisp moon Not Lore related
crisp moon
Oh ok
tiny carbon
I'll post some screenshots in a sec
This is the location:
Here's the crushed cave:
It's behind the right waterfall @regal locust
earnest glade
Yeah I walked past that the other day
Pretty sure it's a blocked cave entrance to a certain somewhere
tiny carbon
Most likely. It reminds me of that concept art we were shown a while back with the tribal cave entrance or whatever we've named it
But collapsed obviously
And it's not a small cave either
Utah for comparison
that's honestly a bad angle, but it takes a good full utah leap to get up on that first rock
sinful hatch
Still, you can tell its large enough
icy onyx
Howdy
true quiver
I honestly dont know if this is relevant here but on the loading screen for severs i was staring at the AE sign & i seen 3 words DREAM PERFECT and SEEKING
Im trying to find more
outer dagger
someone beat you to it https://docs.google.com/document/d/102ETakYa1vH0VHC9hs_i_kSuum9aVcuH0G4_CobBPr8/edit
slow delta
yeah
i like how people start noticing things but we've already found them out long before
but hey at least its something
icy onyx
Then again it has been awhile since I've done anything with the lore.
bronze fox
One thing I always wondered about is how all these various types of dinosaurs each managed to survive extinction and make it into the modern day.
leaden nexus
@bronze fox ya do know they're clones with a human consciousness put into them right? Not extinction survivors ._.
Well not clones
But replications
bronze pike
Is there a clip of dondi confirming
hearty mulch
there's a text and clips
bronze pike
Ah cool
severe kernel
Burke got a lore screen while streaming. https://clips.twitch.tv/PoliteWimpyHorseOSkomodo
oak pumice
where do we get these messages?
i went up around the lake with the big ribs and the sunken temple and didn't get anything there, but this looks like it's in a canyon
the canyon that leads to the dam...?
or this canyon that cuts through the middle of the map, next to the birdcage?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/531400229745065984/New_V3.jpg
severe kernel
I'm pretty sure it's triggered manually by a dev. Like, Dondi's been messing with him while he's streaming already, so it'd make sense.
outer dagger
yeah its a command by devs
think there was a clip with dondi being given a message like that but it said "prepare your anus" so definitely a dev thing lmao
severe kernel
lmaoo, I'd love to see that!
bronze fox
What the heck would possess people to copy off InGen?
bronze fox
So basically put, these scientists did a better job at recreating dinosaurs than InGen did?
oak pumice
this isn't in the JP universe
it's a game with a company inspired by the JP franchise
bronze fox
🤦 I never once said this was set in the JP universe.
oak pumice
"What the heck would possess people to copy off InGen?"
bronze fox
That was a reference, not an assumption
oak pumice
implying AE knew about InGen
bronze fox
That was a reference
I was talking about how the scientists in the Isle universe did what InGen did in the JP universe, only they didn’t need to fill in the DNA gaps with frog DNA like InGen did
What I’m trying to say is based on what I was told, these dinosaurs were successfully recreated through a kind of genetic engineering that didn’t require filling in the gaps.
oak pumice
yyeeesss...?
oak pumice
they're apparently grown like the Na'Vi avatars in James Cameron's Avatar, just missing the part that makes them conscious
and humans are transplanted into them somehow
...i guueesss?
bronze fox
Now what really perplexes is how those strain creatures were engineered.
hearty mulch
Basically they have made a hybridized abomination shell that looks like a dinosaur and have inserted a system involving the profiles
while it is mostly just gameplay mechanics, the affinity system is a fun way of showing that the shells have their own wants besides ours
bronze fox
But where did those strain creatures come from? Like how did the scientists create monsters like the Hypo Colossus, Neurotenic Mastermind and Tissoplastic Reaper?
severe kernel
👀 who and when?
hearty mulch
Jaffad and wednesday
They got various samples from somewhere and inserted them into humans
Except maybe the neurotenic bit
That was replicated
Which is to say, they recreated whatever original abnormality they found in a human
And then immediately stopped with neurotenic experiments after
Basically they found some weird shit and toyed around with it
bronze fox
So I take it that means these creatures broke out and ran loose on the island, with the Hypo Colossus infecting some Rexes, Spinos, Gigas and Carnos, thus bringing about Hypo dinos.
hearty mulch
We had type-h specimens before whatever happened
The most uncontainable one was the type-n
Namely those influenced by Echidna
oak pumice
what if the big ribs at the bottom of the lake were from the Colossus and the dinos that ate the carcass got infected that way
and the dam was built to flood the area and hide it to stop the spread
hearty mulch
"Cannibals" and most other type N's are likely second generation Type-N's stemming from Echidna herself
Don't think Type-H's spread like that
That's mostly N's
oak pumice
Colossus would probs be the hyper strain
i read that the strains spread through contact with/ingestion of infected specimens?
hearty mulch
Those were past ideas
The closest thing to that we have in recent writing is Echidna and the instability of neurotenic material
The most out of control strains were type-n's
bronze fox
What does AE stand for?
nocturne cosmos
ApolloEngineering???
placid harness
apollo engineering
hearty mulch
is
bronze fox
Now it makes me wonder whether or not if there was an incident where all these dinosaurs they made had escaped containment, attacked numerous scientists and went wild on the island.
But wait just a second, where and how did they did get the DNA required to replicate dinosaurs?
foggy kindle
Yes and no.
The dinosaurs are still under the complete control of... someone else.
Also, it's implied that AE stole the DNA from another by-gone genetic engineering company.
sleek mountain
So I am an admin on a server and I noticed this morse code while in spec cam.. I'm super interested in what this actually says so if anyone can translate it.. 
https://youtu.be/t4ZRQ4u_2yQ
ebon basalt
"you are being controlled"
It's part of the morse we got a while back, it's in a pinned Google doc.
sleek mountain
Thanks!
coarse hare
Wow
icy onyx
Has the whole "only through death will you be free of this place. One thousand lives. That's what you owe apollo." Popup that happened in IGPs video when the update dropped been discussed yet?
Ah, I see mutton chops posted a screenshot of a different quote yesterday.
Okay, so these have been coined "lore screens" I see.
sinful hatch
I completely agree that things went sour with Type-Ns, also also assume that Type-Ns are very smart and capable of finding out flaws in security protocols, hence why containment / experimentation on these were halted after problems at the lab. Also on the original Loading screens there was mention of infection on contact and that personel should be disposed of if so.
even if type-Ns were directly responsible for any breakouts, I can seem them manipulating other Types into breaking out and thus granting the needed opportunity.
In The Isle, I do not expect at any point, anyway, these dinosaurs to be legit. These were genetically engineered thru gene mapping and sequencing. The reason for this is that you can take some "creative liberties" in regards to the fossil record. So the dinos are realistic but not necessarly authentic.
icy onyx
As Dr.Grant had said in JP3, These are not dinosaurs, they are genetically engineered monsters. Nothing more, nothing less.
And going off your idea of infection.
Is it possible that the type-Ns may have introduced a previously unknown virus that could have possibly killed off any human staff? So the need for a "mass breakout" wasnt even necessary? Just wait on the scientists to die then the labs to decay naturally over time.
It would also explain the mutated plant concept art in some fashion if it was an infectious virus.
As I believe they were confirmed to have some kind of poisonous properties?
sinful hatch
it would depend how long they could survive without food/caring. I also believe that Mercenaries are often refered to as Survivors as well. The Slenderman we used to know as canibals maybe infected staff that got into contact with Echidna (Mastermind).
icy onyx
Could be the case. Who knows? Maybe we'll see some kind of mass virus in The Isles future?
sinful hatch
It would not be too far fetched to think the Mastermind projected some weird reality that caused the security warden to release it thru telepathic means.
icy onyx
I mean i could see that being plausible as well.
sinful hatch
I do believe some form of virus will indeed be around, as I would guess you need to be "infected" somehow to trigger the dormant genes you have.
icy onyx
What if the infection allowed humans to become weak to the influence of echidna?
outer hull
Seems like humans brought to the island have a “thousand life” contract
That was the name of one of The Isles music tracks
sinful hatch
No sure if its all of them or not, but yes this is an assumption at least for test subjects.
icy onyx
That's a good point tomato.
This "thousand life" thing might turn out to mean more than we believe.
outer hull
Im just wondering what would entice a person so much as to enter a deal like that
sinful hatch
the "wrench in the gears" are the tribals, I cannot explain their role in this and it seems they were around a long time before AE even got the island for experiments.
icy onyx
I mean but even thats debatable.
sinful hatch
well, the temples are weird
if you go see the giant skeleton on the lake, right beside it there are ruins
icy onyx
Cuz like, there is nothing that ties the in-game ruins to the tribals. We have no proof they are the ones who built them right?
icy onyx
Unless there is proof that the tribals built those ruins.
outer hull
I think that the tribals were likely just original native people who perhaps were mutated/tested upon by AE
Once they got the island
icy onyx
I'm more down for that theory.
sinful hatch
@outer hull that seems the more likely scenario to me.
still, I dont feel like I know enough on tribals
outer hull
im still hoping for a isle gamemode/map featuring a fully functioning island with AE labs and what not
That would be sick
icy onyx
Cuz if they were an established native culture they would wanna keep their temples prestine. I have a feeling AE showed up and mutated/experimented on them and sent them back to a more primitive mindset.
sinful hatch
I do believe we will learn of the purpose of each facility as we "reactivate" each one as mercs.
but I am not sure we will ever get to see the "golden age" in their operations.
outer hull
Has that been stated to be a thing?
I just assumed mercs would raid them for supplies
icy onyx
^^
outer hull
That would be a great question to ask
outer hull
Maybe we will get a running AE island some time
icy onyx
Oh, is there confirmations that mercs will have missions to do?
sinful hatch
here
official answer
recent one too
SpinoRavenger Asks: How interactive will human bases be?
How interactive will abandoned human bases be after they are all fixed up? Will bases have things like lockable doors, viewable security cameras/alarms, radio systems for communication with other bases and possibly unique interactive items based on what the compound is? I.E. Docks having interactive dock-like things, etc.
Answer:
Everything after the first question answers it. Except fences. You forgot the ability to turn on electric fences.
outer hull
Thats cool and all, but i still would die to play on a functioning AE island
With the labs, testing, personnel, containments
icy onyx
A more roleplay based sort of thing?
outer hull
Not really role play
icy onyx
Where you keep the normal AE day to day routines going?
outer hull
It would be neat
icy onyx
Possibly. Maybe for like a one time VR experience.
outer hull
You could still do what you want as a dino, try breaking out an stuff
sinful hatch
we are moving away from theories though. I do encourage for you to pitch that in suggestions, I mean I would be up for that as well.
icy onyx
About the static that you get when going to different locations on the map
outer hull
Yeah true
icy onyx
The aviary is different from the rest.
outer hull
I’ll ask a question about it next Tuesday
icy onyx
Stuff like the waterfall has static in the form of an AE logo
But the aviary lacks that logo
icy onyx
So it makes me wonder if the aviary is somehow not connected to AE?
sinful hatch
is it true there is a weird sound coming from inside it? I heard this from a friend but he was not 100% sure and I did go there to check.
icy onyx
Yes. Go to the top of it at night.
sinful hatch
Isnt that the slenderman´s thing noise?
icy onyx
The cannibals? Allegedly yes.
icy onyx
Well.. now something else has moved in..
Anthony posted a video not too long ago showing it off.
sinful hatch
true, ur right, there is no way that after the shutdown things stayed were they were.
ok, might check that.
may***
icy onyx
It's just one sound clip, but the implications of that sound are massive.
slow delta
Did anything happen?
icy onyx
We're just discussing the aviary.
icy onyx
Fact that the static no longer shows the AE logo
slow delta
Oh
icy onyx
Fact that clicking can be heard from inside at night.
icy onyx
Some predator ass shit hiding in that aviary.
sinful hatch
I cannot wait enough for the Aviary / Atrium C be fully designed. its one of the bigger buldings in the map, I loved what they did with the docks and those odd cages in there.
slow delta
Well we dont know if that atrium is atrium c but yeah
But clicking could be related to the blind cannibals
Echolocation of some sort
icy onyx
That was the main theory it seemed.
sinful hatch
those things disturb me so much I am not sure I want to be there to listen. lol.
icy onyx
Cuz a few months back don showed off the old cannibal sounds.
90% of which were clicks.
Different forms of clicks and some screeches.
sinful hatch
very creepy and I believe Neuros will contribute a lot to the "horror" theme.
icy onyx
If i could find the clips I would show them hold on.
Might have to find an old Anthony video.
Found it
About 3:40 seconds into this video https://youtu.be/w5HHTLmt9vA
This was very early sounds obviously
But if this is anything to go on, the sounds coming from inside that aviary could very well be coming from something to do with these. I heard they were being redesigned so maybe things aren't far off?
sinful hatch
ok, I can hear the similarities here.
well to me it would make perfect sense for them to hide / nest / live in one of the human facilities.
icy onyx
Seeing as early on they were speculated to prefer to hunt humans as apperantly they dont get as much hunger from eating dinosaurs than they would killing humans.
Let that sink in.
These cannibals, if introduced to an environment without humans, would not be able to sustain themselves. Hibernation perhaps? Extended deanimation like a crocodile?
But then with mercs becoming more previlent on the island..
Maybe something is starting to wake up.
sinful hatch
makes perfect sense.
hearty mulch
dunno about redesign but they were always neurotenic somethings
but the orcs/tribals are the cannibals and also sorry I don't got the clip on hand
wait fuck
icy onyx
Oofer I needa find that image
hearty mulch
Hold up i forget catbug made a video
icy onyx
Oh i was just looking for the image lol
grizzled dune
this one?
icy onyx
Fucking catbug
I love catbugs shitty memes. XD
But yes
That one
So, on the right is the old cannibal design which is still being used as something else, most likely a Type-N human? I am correct so far?
hearty mulch
But yeh, big slenderman has always been a neurotenic something
child of echidna and all
icy onyx
Yes exactly
hearty mulch
either a neurotenic orc or a regular human
icy onyx
Echidna being the original type-N human
hearty mulch
or rather, neurotenic regular human
hearty mulch
Nah
icy onyx
I thought type-N was just neurotenic
hearty mulch
I just like to say it
icy onyx
Oofer
icy onyx
Anyhow. Yea, I'd hazard to bet that with the whole fact that AE seems to be trying to re-establish a connection to the island, possibly sending covert teams in, that the type-N humanoids are beginning to stir.
Out of a sort of extended hibernation.
As shown by the sounds coming from within the aviary on V3 at night.
Also from what don says in that clip I can agree with you mutton that clearly these "cannibals" and "tribals" distinction was clearly so that don could fuck with the lot of us for over three years. Learning that the tribals arent the tribals but they also ARE the cannibals just in a different form doesn't actually change much at least on my end. I had always assumed the neurotenic humanoids were tribals turned Neuro, but did not expect the tribals to be mutants themselves. I mean it fits with how Don was talking about wanting to handle tribals in the future. Making them barbaric to the point where they find human tech like guns and shit and smash them in sacrifice to their gods or something. That was very early though so I imagine that may have changed.
leaden depot
Did I hear right?
Someone said slenderman?
hasty latch
Indeed. Seems interesting.
leaden depot
Mmm
hasty latch
The game always tells us to break the system. But I cant see any way of doing it.
leaden depot
Yeh
hearty mulch
there ain't a system yet to break
leaden depot
TBH I actually haven't played before..... is that bad?
hasty latch
You've never played The Isle?
leaden depot
No
hasty latch
That isn't a very good start.
leaden depot
I dont hav the right pc and im saving up to get the game
I really cant wait to play
hasty latch
Well. Drop me a DM when you get it, might be able to give you a hand.
Anyway back to theorizing.
leaden depot
Tnx
hasty latch
I honestly believe I've died more than 1000 times in The Isle. Back in the days of progression, many a Herrerasaurus has been lost.
leaden depot
Wow
fallow maple
Oof
leaden depot
For a beginner wat would u recommend to start as?
hasty latch
So I guess I'm all scored up with Apollo. Isn't that nice.
Dryo.
Dryo is the best dinosaur to play about with at the start.
leaden depot
Okay I was think utah but ok
hasty latch
Utah is alright, but Dryo is easier.
hasty latch
This kind of thing should be discussed in #401464048610312195
This is for spooky lore stuff.
leaden depot
Lol
hasty latch
At least.
leaden depot
They would be cool to see even if u die straight away
hasty latch
Really, Cannibals won't be a threat for most creatures.
A Utah or Austroraptor would need to run away from a long Cannibal.
But anything bigger than Ceratosaurus would chase it.
hasty latch
A large group of Cannibals could take down a Dibble or Carno.
Theoretically looking at size and shape most things will one shot them.
leaden depot
From wat I see and hear they are bloody terrifying
hasty latch
Scary maybe.
But not to an Adult Giga.
Weird little nude people running through the forest making clicking noises.
More comedic than scary.
leaden depot
But they group up rite?
hasty latch
Well.
Cannibal.
The word means it eats it own kind.
So it could team up.
I don't even think it's called Cannibal anymore.
leaden depot
Okay
hasty latch
It currently doesn't have a name.
leaden depot
I heard about that
hasty latch
Weird little nude people running through the forest making clicking noises.
That's the new name.
sinful hatch
Hence why I am now calling them Slenderman people
cannibals and tribals are now the same thing.
oak pumice
the sounds in the aviary are the old redwoods ambiance noises
i took this when the big ribs were still above ground
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5RhJZUvYis
fast tundra
Thx
open compass
On the topic of the old "Cannibals" name, AE shortens their name to NHS, in the same way they shorten pachycephalosaurus down to PCH.
sinful hatch
Neurotenoic HS? What could possibly HS stand for then?
open compass
This makes me think AE refers to them as "Neurotenic Human Specimens (or Subjects)" though
oak pumice
NHS
National Health Service
open compass
That makes me wonder what the difference between them and Echidna is
sinful hatch
I would assume Subject to me more in line with lore
open compass
Since they both stem from humans treated with the strain
sinful hatch
right, or infected and then researched.
open compass
Hold on
We at least know that the Replicator is replicating them
Are they shells like the dinosaurs?
keen linden
Neurotenic Homo Sapien?
icy onyx
Neurotenic humanoid specimen?
I doubt they would straight up call them humans.
Humanoid sounds far more professional.
sweet vessel
So, what are all the known classes of mutations..?
All I know is Hypo, not even knowing what it stands for..
tiny carbon
There is Hypo, which stands for Hyperendocrine. There's Neuro, which is Neurotonic? And then there's (probably still) Tisso, which is Tissoplastic or something like that. Hypo's are the big bad tanky dudes, Neuros are the nerds with powerful abilities, and Tissos are the ninjas, essentially
But last we heard Tisso was getting a rework
and then I left out Magna, which is the more effecient form of a Hypo
left ocean
That's a pretty accurate description of the strains, though I would make the Neuro instead a trickster, or deceiver
left ocean
to fool someone
left ocean
for example i know that the Neuro will have I think an ability to mimic a prey item, lure in the predator, and kill it
sweet vessel
Ohhh
tiny carbon
So Hypos are big bad dudes. They run around as super-versions of the original dino and kill everything easily. They're about 1.75x the size of their normals. They're by far the strongest with the most health and damage and weight, however they're very unstable, constantly needing to eat in order to stay alive. Their crutch basically is if they don't eat, then eventually they'll starve, and they start starving very quikly.
sweet vessel
Oooo
tiny carbon
Neuros, are the small skinny dudes. They're going to be getting basically brain powers, however they don't have eyes. They're about the same size as their dino counterparts, and are frailer, however they have things like (supposedly) controlling the weather, EMP's, being able to communicate cross-species, etc... They're entire list of powers, confirmed and not, is unknown
sweet vessel
Cool!
regal sundial
We don't really know what magna is yet tbf
Shouldn't assume
I'd say hypo are a tank, neuro is a caster/mage and tisso is or was a rogue
To stereotype
tiny carbon
Tissos (which is undergoing a rework that no information has been leaked on, so this is what we previously knew), are the essentially more stealthy versions of their dinos. Some of their supposed abilities was being able to camoflauge with the environment if not become invisible, they were going to become faster, and they were supposed to be sort of glass cannon versions of themselves if I'm not mistaken. They could much more easily take things out, and hunt them, but they were easier to kill
This is theory channel we're allowed to assume here
But that's an accurate class system
left ocean
IMHO I feel like the Magna was engineered to stop like the Hypos, Neuros, Tissos
regal sundial
Hypo has had some power/concept creep tbf
I think that was part of the issue with the tissos
That is a possible answer yea lauren
left ocean
Kinda like a response to the strain outbreak
I swear I love theorizing about the Isle XP
So fun
regal sundial
It is interesting yeah
It gets less frustrating as time goes on because there's more actual cohesive information to work with
tiny carbon
Magna's, from what we've seen which is only the rex version, has been assumed to counter all of the other strains abilities by having, in essence, weaker versions of all of their strengths, or the proper abilities and strengths to counteract theirs. It's also been assumed that the Magna is only a coutner for the Hypo's, since they have the same + as hypos (they're bigger, faster, stronger), but they're not as bigger and faster and stronger as the hypos. However, they also don't need to constantly gorge themselves in order to survive, making them a weaker choice than hypo, but something that will certainly outlive one
regal sundial
Instead of just like, two tidbits and baseless assumptions
My take on magnas is they're like the manufactured potential natural conclusion/perfection to the evolutionary path the creature was going down before it went extinct
Where as H/N/T are the dinosaurs when they're exposed to this weird mutagenic shit they got from who knows where
Magna btw is Great in latin
tiny carbon
That's actually not a bad theory
regal sundial
Like the saying Magnum Opus for instance is what gave me the thought
tiny carbon
LIke they let the DNA naturally evolve instead of forcing it via unnatural means
regal sundial
Well I mean it's all forced
It's just, enhancing it's natural path rather than introducing something foreign
sweet vessel
Are mutations like the Hypos only for Carnivores?
stone crater
I believe so. no mention yet of mutated herbivores
sweet vessel
Why only Carnivores?
Also
Is there um.. Anywhere I can get all the past info from the Isle
To learn and be up to speed
tiny carbon
Check the pinned message, there's a few posts in there that have links to massive resources of data
flint pelican
sinful hatch
I believe that herbivores can reach Magna level, not sure if they get strains, there were drawings of mutated plants at a time, not sure they were official or just really well made.
I mean, Dondi said that he does not want animals to be just "shit out of luck". Consider the Strains for a minute, so Rex and Raptor get counter in Magnas, but Trikes or Paras no? Like a H-Giga sees a herd and the 3 trikes are all gone?
it would be reasonable to believe that herbivores would have some line of defense.
regal sundial
The only thing that can regularly kill a type H is another strain, a human with a very rare anti hypo gun or starvation
Hypo rex mulches trike herds like nothing
sinful hatch
hence why a chance to grow into Magnatrike seems achievable.
I really doubt we have seen all herbs have to offer
icy onyx
if i remember correctly tisso was originally designed as the "hunter" strain
neuro is the smart strain
and hypo is the fighting/ tank strain
proper steppe
the only strains that have been confirmed are carnivore strains, plant strains, and human strains
no herbi strains have been confirmed
regal sundial
I suspect as strains get closer to being playable the specifics of neuro/tisso abilities will be better ironed out and hypo will likely have some of it's power/ability creep reigned in to make them all unique
tiny carbon
or, all of their powers will be expanded upon to match the current level of hypo
regal sundial
rn hypos are like, mary sue dinos though
You'd be duplicating abilities to make them all equal
crisp moon
Not really Mary Sue because they can die
reef bloom
Speaking of hypos, if a hypo deinosuchus existed, what would that mean for other hyops?
Hypo.lmao hyop
oak pumice
then it would be the same predator/prey relationship as normal deino and normal rex/spino/giga/carno/utah
hyper-everything means gameplay is the same but bigger
oak pumice
Official Soundtrack
glad beacon
So is this discussion thread for theories on the lore?
outer dagger
yep
glad beacon
Okay, my theory is avatar like linked humans into dinosaurs. So when the dinosaurs die we receive the deceased screen because a human is controlling/linked to it.
echo gazelle
Yes, it's known the Dinosaurs are being controlled or conditioned. Human consciousness are transferred into the mind of a Dinosaur.
echo gazelle
So, what if AE have been working on mutating Human DNA due to the island being inhabited by the indigenous and seeked assets from Phoenix causing Operation Inferno. Let's say AE have been around since the 1930s and I'm not sure when PC took place but I'm assuming early 2000s. With fire, AE burned Phoenix down and retrieved the 3 assets (Assuming Nova is still non-canon). Now for future engineering and the fact that The Isle takes place in the future, AE created Tartarus, a facility that modifies and distributes DNA. AE retrieving designated Specimens B-442 and B-443 from Phoenix achieved (Or attempted to create the first perfected Dinosaur) The All-Father. Also known as the Magnatyrannus. In Greek Mythology known as Typhon (All-Father of all Monsters). For 75 years of replication they came up with the Neurotenic Strain and injected it into a Human Specimen. Creating Echidna, which in greek mythology is the Daughter of Tartarus. Now Echidna containing Human DNA caused her to gravitate and become seduced to the perfection of the Magnatyrannus, injecting herself with Magna DNA and then caused an outbreak, forming the other strains such as Hyperendocrin and Tissoplastic. This makes both the Magna and Echidna Mother and Father of All Monsters that are within The Isle. Maybe they could be both antagonists of the story. Magna being Father of Hypo Rex, Spino, Giga. Tisso and Neuro Dinos being the strains injected into Dinosaurs but when Echidna injected herself, she could have possibly created the Colossus and Reaper? This sounds nuts now but just a thought.
sweet vessel
Cool!
placid harness
Assuming Operation Inferno is still canon maybe it would be of relevance to look for parallels to Dante's Divine Comedy, specifically the Inferno.
sinful hatch
@echo gazelle I loved that last theory of yours. I really liked it. You also bring to light another thing that should not have escaped me. Just because The Isle seems to take place in 90s/2000s, it does not mean the company did not existed already since even before, which I am to say, yes I expect them to be at DNA stuff for at least 50 years.
Also, the tyings with Greek Mythology (the base template for the inspiration here) seems quite flawless, even if this is not the case I, again, loved that description a lot.
ivory vessel
Found some dates on stuff at the docks
Discord won't let me send the second picture >:(
"04-12-06"
https://purpzie.is-bad.com/59cd01.png
Here's the other image, dates are on the box
placid harness
Something tells me the box might be just a store bought asset
ember flame
could be but who knows
glad beacon
So humans are being linked to dinosaurs in a research for what? Genetic strengths of dinosaur DNA? And that’s how you get these creatures known as cannibals? Genetic modifying and mutations of human and dinosaur DNA. Wasn’t this sorta a plot in a canned Jurassic park movie or something?
Maybe once the humans are linked to the dinosaurs they lose most consciousness and the dinosaur DNA overrides the link and they take to their primitive instincts.
bronze fox
Wait, what motivated AE to input these dinosaurs with human consciousness, isn’t that too dangerous?
vernal kiln
Don't want to pull a Jurrasic park here but maybe they were linking humans with dinos to make a weapon
Dinosaurs on their own, too uncontrollable, but add a human conscious and maybe
bronze fox
I mean genetic engineering is one thing, but trying to control dinosaurs through mental links with humans is too risky for the human brain’s functioning.
Linking with the mind of primitive animals could lead to unforeseen effects on one’s mentality or the brain altogether
glad beacon
I’m thinking it was to find compatibility to form a super human for war. And that’s where these monster cannibals are from. Is the cross mutation of dinosaurs and humans?
bronze fox
Something perplexes me. Who’s to say these dinosaurs that AE creates and releases won’t somehow override their control if their natural instincts completely take over?
It’s like that saying from JP, “You can’t suppress 65 million years of natural instinct.”
hearty mulch
The answer: You don't make real dinosaurs, you just make an animal that looks like them. Also it's in the best interest of the human in the animal's body to care for it like a pet or else shit gets fucky.
bronze fox
Plus, I know this is late, but LunchaBills put together a pretty interesting theory, especially regarding the Magnatyrannus.
hearty mulch
magnarex is funny theft
dusky walrus
select veteranrextest
hearty mulch
when in doubt, print out biosynthetic bodies made from people in the shapes of dinosaurs
ember flame
exactly
regal sundial
Why human minds in dinosaur bodies? Forced evolution and post mutton linked
Woukd you limit yourself to the hardware that was available when a game was released to run it or would you use the higest power parts you can get?
The human mind made to carry out the dinosaurs actions accelerates the life and death cycle
digital vale
It reminds me alot of mentioned Jurassic Park 4 original script, where they were creating super soldier/police/rescuer dinosaurs with their DNA combined with dogs and humans to increase obedience and problem solving. Even some of those creatures from concept art looks almost like Cannibals. Still, I don't think this is exactly what is going on on The Isle, and I wonder... why? Why would somebody do this? ↑, wanting to sell them for money or "just to find max potential" sounds very cliché to me.
oak pumice
"theme park" but all the "thrill rides" are actual dinosaurs that you can control
or something like in Assassin's Creed where we get injected into dinosaurs for...reasons?
study?
digital vale
Theme park is quite possible, when you're logging in there are some messages about visitors having their ID cards or something, I don't remember it quite well
leaden nexus
its probably research that has to do with the human genome in some way or another, something is fucking up the planet apparently in the 2020s if we go by some old the primal carnage lore
finding what trais work best and eventually using them on human shell subjects untul they reach their goal of a sustainable hominid that can live off the new conditions on the outside world
digital vale
That's really good theory, I like it.
hearty mango
Or they just thought if we can create dinosaurs why shouldn’t we and if we can make them genetically superior why don’t we
They probably did that to the people that they found on the isle too
slow delta
:/
weak hazel
are the ingame msg's random or triggered ?
warped coral
triggered by devs
past trench
Ummmm? What does it mean by unstable? Your reality may become unstable is that in correlation with AE corporation
regal locust
It’s just simple registration. I wouldn’t think too too much of it. :>
The whole “your reality might become unstable thing” is just kinda saying it’s gonna be buggy.
past trench
Okay. So would these screens be findable within the game files?
regal locust
I’d assume not.
Like, maybe the hud thing but it’s really just a message written out, that’s like saying you’d wanna find the chat bar in the files.
past trench
Possibly but then how would it find your user name?
regal locust
By... looking at your steam ID? Considering it happened not too too long ago.
Also how the AI thing registered Khorne, during that mini transmitter interview stream.
past trench
Yeah that’s true
There would have to be a way to actually register in wouldnt there
I think I’ll take a look at the game files again since they’ve updated the game just in case they did add something interesting
regal locust
I won’t stop you, although, I just wanna mention it might not be something to look too hard into.
bronze fox
One other thing perplexes me. There’s no fossilized evidence that showcases Dilos having venom glands, did AE somehow implement that into the replicants they made?
tiny carbon
Ok guys, just so you're all aware, the screens are messages sent by the devs. They're not triggered by the devs, they're actually typed out and sent by the devs. If none of you remember, there was a clip of them testing it out and they said "Prepare your anus". I highly doubt that was put into the files to be triggered. Sure they could have edited it by now, but I'm pretty much 100% sure that they're able to do a /command followed by who it goes to, followed by the message. It's probably also a dev-only command like the /grow, /heal, and /smite commands
Among others like /swap and etc...
final harbor
I beleive that dillo venom (in game) is more like how certain non venomous snakes bite works having certain chemicals in their saliva causing wounds to bleed more/longer than normal not really potent to anything bigger than it but if untreated can cause problems for smaller prey
bronze fox
Ah, interesting
quasi egret
The Isle is full dive virtual reality in affiliation with a space program.
leaden nexus
that reminds me of a book I once read, where there were two sentient dilo bounty hunters in space, I need to find that book again
paper herald
But like why dinosaurs then
Of all things
If it’s just people, why not something easier to attain
oak pumice
the last time the "your reality might become unstable" thing popped up on screen for a streamer somebody got smote by dondi
rose warren
tar pits
spice thorn
meager birch
slow delta
Ok but does that mean devs are always online to trigger these?
Doubt it
Surely the custom ones are made by them but there must be normal ones for normal players
keen linden
i think the devs only send those messages to streamers to hype the game to that streamers viewers
im not sure if normal players recieve the messages at all
slow delta
Hmm
dusk axle
probably only happens on official servers
slow delta
so what do the messages say so far apart from the end is never the end and your reality might become unstable
dense orbit
anyone have any say as to what the extra little empty selection thing is underneath of the gender selection for dinosaurs?
👀
wooden lily
Does the Isle secret facility reminds you of SCP in any way?
hardy fog
it does with me
especially with how the text was formatted on the old loading screens in particular
echo gazelle
@slow delta
All AE messages shown currently:
The end is never the end is never the end
Only through Death will you be free of this place. One thousand lives. That's what you owe Apollo.
No matter how hard you try, you'll never really be one of them. You don't belong here.
Your body is a cage. Apollo will set you free. Death will rise with the sun.
AE-012.G2-PCH.61121251423
AE-012.G2-PCH.1191471016614
We wait for you at the bottom of the lake.
Please hold. Your reality may temporarily become unstable.
slow delta
Thanks
raw olive
Probably really stupid, but maybe this is a sort of jail type thing? And the prisoners are put into the dinosaurs as experiments?
Or instead of that, maybe the replicator is “Apollo”
primal surge
I really like the theory that prisoners are put into a dinosaur as experiments. I think that would be super interesting if it had any weight behind it.
polar prism
cannibals are actually just hypo humans
primal surge
Now I just had a crazy theory. So in Warframe you have the Operator; a human child with void powers (also representation of you) who connects to all the Warframe's through a process called Transference. They use a device to connect to the frames, right?
So what if Apollo is doing something similar to this? Taking criminals from various prisons around the world and putting them into some kind of transfer device where the criminals mind is connected to a dinosaur. They can ofc see/feel everything while in the dinosaurs body. When the person controlling the dinosaur dies they are just put into the mind of another dinosaur (aka our ability to respawn/change dinosaurs) and this process just goes on and on and on. The end is never the end is never the end
Only through Death will you be free of this place. One thousand lives. That's what you owe Apollo.
It could also explain why Apollo structures cause our screens to appear to glitch and fuzz out. It's a way to deter the prisoners controlling the dinosaur from seeking to destroy the buildings as being near them causes visual discomfort, which problems means there could be physical discomfort.
Now I personally think that would be wicked if there was any truth behind the theory, but it's just a theory. But, what do I know? I'm just a plebian.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
swift jacinth
Dude, you and your heavy Warframe spoilers... I know what are you talking about, but some might not yet...
primal surge
It was the only thing I could think of that represented best what I wanted to describe so I apologize. :/
sharp frigate
How could you @primal surge
primal surge
¯_(ツ)_/¯
gloomy olive
I dont think supernatural fits in the isle though, because that prisoners thing makes me think of SCP 
I dont follow much of the lore but i am very interested, is there any hint to actual supernatural? or just scientific stuff and vr
pastel path
Scientific as far as we know
gloomy olive
ah ok
limpid patio
Theory: everything in the isle isn’t real: it’s a simulation. It’s why some dinosaurs change appearance, and why you look at them from the perspective of a camera that isn’t there. It could also be why your screen glitches when near human structures: the computer simulation bugs out when you are somewhere the simulation doesn’t want you to be. It’s also why the spawn menu is an old computer: it’s the computer that connects you to the virtual simulation. Would also explain why juries just appear, why such large animals like the hypo’s exist, and why nueros can manipulate weather: it’s all a computer, like the matrix
stark yoke
almost like a video game ;P
sinful hatch
Olympus once said: "This is not the world as it is. This is the world as it was. The untouched land will break apart with monoliths of the past until time catches up with itself."
We may very well be in a future or highly advanced technology looking into the simulation of 90's, ancient and even mythological itself.
Olympus also said: "What would you give to get them back?"
My take is "memories", people lose memories, what would one give to remember? And would you want to?
Then Olympus says: "You must go past limit and reason. See through the door between this world and the next and take back what you've lost. "
To recover your memories, you must see through the door that connects worlds (multiple maps). The door could be the "Gateway".
Olympus on Gateway: "DO NOT PASS GATEWAY. DO NOT ANSWER THE CALL." and "Look to the sky at the right time. The path to gateway has been there all along."
Could be that very bright star that shows up at night is somehow the connection, the "Gateway". but then the second frase hints that the "Star" is the "Path to the Gateway", not the Gateway itself. How does the Gateway calls to us? I am sure we have not been called yet.
There is a teaser in the Story section of Steam, "Why you cannot just leave The Isle?", to which I think has 2 elements. "The Contract of a Thousand lives" and a trigger for completion, but then Olympus transmits:
Olympus: "The man you owe cannot collect his debt."
I assume the creator is in some loop / trouble / dead, if there is a condition of 1000 lives and the trigger does not work (Man you owe cannot collect his debt), you would need to "fix" how you pay your debt so the condition is met and freedom could be achieved.
But once we have multiple maps, how would one ever be sure they got out? How would you know? We are talking a world within a world within a world.
I dispute the notion that convicts are the sole base of the experiement, on the contrary, I believe the background is varied with people of several backgrounds because:
Olympus: "We cannot guarantee who you will become when you come out the other side, if you even survive at all."
Olympus: "Strip away everything that makes a man and you can rebuild him in any image."
To make that statement you need several subjects as different as possible, so you could have a simple human, a complex human, a free human a confined human all leading to the same result: no matter what I can always reshape that human. Its a bold statement.
Gateway, if the bright star at night is the path to the Gateway, and and if to see the Gateway / door I need to go past the limit and reason, then the answer can only mean that we must cross the ocean in that direction to hit the gateway and break the current simulation and move on to the next.
Errrr, I don't believe development has gone that far yet, but this would be my best guess about the gateway.
craggy badger
open compass
It's the designation for the Magna
bright owl
All the islands that were made (including v1, v2, v3 thenyaw) are in a island chain simillar to hawaii
rose wagon
tranquil galleon
@sinful hatch the bright star is the North Star silly
echo gazelle
@primal surge Interesting you bring up prisoners in the mind of Dinosaurs because Tartarus in Greek Mythology was a region of the underworld where feral beasts reside and horrible criminals were banished. The Beasts (Dinosaurs) are the rebuilt image of the criminal (The Players). This links to the transmission Strip away everything that makes a man and you can rebuild him in any image.
Now my theory on Gateway. We know it's a rear connection facility between I-2 and I-1 according to the old console interaction with Khorne and some other people. My guess would be that Gateway is what connects the human consciousness throughout all Islands. Now the transmission that stated "Look to the sky at the right time. The path to gateway has been there all along." could indeed refer to the actual facility itself. There was a recent AE screen that showed on Burke's Stream that backs it up which stated "Your body is a cage. Apollo will set you free. Death will rise with the sun." Apollo in mythology was the god of many things but in this case the sun and knowledge. Now death rising with the sun can be a foreshadow that not only light rises but also darkness and we all know how Dark at night the Isle can get. But the Aurora effect and stars can be of some use at night for Apollo was a prophecy of truth but also brought ill-health and deadly plague. To close it, Apollo was one of the 12 Olympian Gods, now what if The Isle's lore depicts something similar to the Titanomachy, Battle of the Gods in Mythology but with its own twist. Typhon (Magna) and Echidna (Human/Neurotenic) waged war against the 12 Olympians or the 12 known active specimens which was stated in the console interaction. Apollo being an Olympian sends the Transmission through the Olympus transmitter, trying to set us free while Echidna traps and controls all within Tartarus with her Neurotenic abilities to manipulate weather and such, could possibly explain how at night the Stars and Aurora shows but suddenly gets dark, signifying look to the sky at the right time. But that's all for now. Going overboard here.
brazen plume
That’s awesome
urban dock
If you watch your screen when your near a human building, static goes across it but there all a different shape, so what if you put all the screens of static beside each other, they might make a shape or symbol if there all put together
bronze fox
There’s one thing that always puzzles me about V3. That huge skeleton lying in the water, what do you suppose that creature could have been when it was alive?
Like, could it have been one AE’s earliest failed experiments?
open compass
There are a bunch of lore-creatures that are the size of the skeleton or larger
sinful hatch
@echo gazelle again, great contributions.
So, right now I am not conviced we are talking on planet earth per se, Olympus said "his is not the world as it is. This is the world as it was. The untouched land will break apart with monoliths of the past until time catches up with itself."
This frase makes me believe it would indeed be a simulation of sorts or perhaps this eludes to another planet entirely.
"The untouched land will break apart with monoliths of the past until time catches up with itself."
So, if this is a colony of sorts, we go to an untamed land and bring technology with it, until the untamed becomes tamed with large modern structures or something. As if the map will progress somehow during a cycle.
Also, Olympus makes remarks about "chaos". If I recall correctly "Eris" is the deity for chaos, right? Did she do anything of significance aside from spreading discord?
Another interpretation of Chaos (this one from Wikipedia): Chaos (Ancient Greek: χάος, khaos) refers to the void state preceding the creation of the universe or cosmos in the Greek creation myths, or to the initial "gap" created by the original separation of heaven and earth.
I am not sure I am liking were the story is going, while I did enjoy Matrix and The Cell in some level, I am not fond of the "simulation" environment for The Isle, it feels somewhat disconnected to the Dinosaurs themselves.
Another point of contention, I am also not one for "time traveling" of any shape of form. While it did work in adventure-comedies like back to the future, it would not be a natural fit for the isle, not to mention that time traveling creates a number of plot issues and situations that are best avoided all together.
So this leaves me with one option for a "desired" story: Genetic manipulation and physical creation of these dinosaurs. The mind connection to the dinosaurs is interesting enough to explore, but it can also present some risks depending who the narrative is presented to us.
Rather this takes place in a fictional chain of Islands or a planet with similar conditions, this part is indifferent to me as JP/JW have the fictional islands of the Muertas chain and Nublar, it still worked.
dawn sky
Dont get mad, but what if the where a falied test from jp so they made a new island for the dinosaurs that did not work. Then a unknow sickness made the hypos and magas?
sinful hatch
anything is possible to be honest, and based how clever the idea behind the affinity system is, I am sure Dondi and the team will bring something very interesting to the story.
its just that my own conclusions so far have not painted something I originally thought of.
It would be nice if Olympus transmitted something this month.
sinful hatch
I love Jurassic Park franchise, hence why I am here 😃
its just that as I grew, I expect something a little grimm / dark now.
I was 12 when I saw the original JP in theaters.
So, now, I am more of a site B than Nublar guy
in terms of darkness, the art certainly does not disappoint me, and we have fleshed out some really crazy stuff.
I am still optimistic.
dawn sky
cool I am 12 lol
sinful hatch
lol, talk about coincidence! Feel free to chip in, nobody knows anything for sure, lots of assumptions going around. Also, since you are a fan o park theme, maybe the eletric fences that dondi wants to implement on the map will bring your thoughts into a more Park-like environment.
I still think those will play a part in the story as research containment more so than entertainment.
Game has some inspirations from Primal Carnage, several believe that The Isle and this game share the same world.
but the Isle is a whole different gameplay and does have a darker narrative it would seem.
so this is pretty much it for me right now. I see lanchabills typing, and I cannot wait to see that contribution to the discussion. He shot down my thesis on convicts with Tartarus argument. 😃 cant fight that!
echo gazelle
@sinful hatch
So Chaos was the origin of everything, the first thing to exist. It was a primordial void, which everything was created including the universe and the Greek Gods. Chaos although had a few deities, but the two relevant in this case would be Gaia(Earth) and Tartarus(The Underworld). A transmission stated "In the flashpoint, all the ripples converge. The purpose of chaos will show itself. You will know why your death is necessary." My notion on this would be that whoever, or whatever created The Isle, designed it out of chaos. The replication of life itself in order to create the perfect organism. Now the question for me would be, is there a good and bad side you will be able to choose. It's either you turn to worship to the Replicator or seek to destroy The Isle which in my guess would be the role of Mercs since the Isle will be a faction based, Tribals and Cannibals being the same thing and then Dinosaurs who are controlled to protect the Replicator. Which brings me to the conclusion that similar to the game For Honor and it's meta game on the Faction War, The Isle will be a never ending battle for the DNA left behind by those who created it in the first place...chaos. "The replicator is not without its protectors." Echidna being mother of Cannibals or mother of all monsters in this case uses them to protect the replication of profiles. Now For Honor's story ended with a trio of a Samurai, Viking and Knight bound to fight for the greater good. But they knew it would never end because there's no peace when there is war. The lead antagonist in For Honor was Apollyon which sounds very similar to Apollo. Apollyon was the Greek name for Abaddon which is a the spiritual being of destruction. And in Greek Myth, Apollo was a healer but also brought death.
sinful hatch
I new you would bring light to the dicussion @echo gazelle ! I am also a fan of FH, so I get the picture you describe.
Much like Tribals are now tied to Cannibals as well, the Mercenaries have also been tied to Survivors. These "sub factions" seem to acommodate player play style.
So Mercs could be out to destroy The Isle, Survivors try escape it. Tribals and Cannibals worship and protect the replicator.
The last part about the Dinos was a little confusing to me, are you suggesting the dinos are protectors as well? Could they not be Chaos itself? They do what they do, not really aware of events other than their needs.
echo gazelle
Well the Dinosaurs can very well be chaos themselves, since they are controlled beings of who knows what, maybe Echidnas offspring but anyways Mercs also have the vantage by being able to track and locate them. So my guess would be Dinosaurs are the center of which way the battle will turn. Both sides in the human factions can use them, tribals/cannibals taming them while mercs use them more for a weapon. Not entirely sure. @sinful hatch
sinful hatch
I have never thought about how mercs could interact with dinos, I always assumed they would "talk" with bullets. But now that you mentioned this it makes perfect sense.
The port has 4 cages, as if they were transporting these animals or could somehow contain them. For whatever purpose...
Ok, you gave me some food for thought. Thanks @echo gazelle !
echo gazelle
@sinful hatch No problem, always a pleasure to speculate on the Lore
knotty niche
bronze pike
Maybe the mercs are there to capture dinosaurs hence the cages because from what we have seen it would seem tribals are either islanders or people who worked for ae on the dino project and got left behind, and it would make more sense the mercs are there to obtain assets bc I believe at least atm lore wise mercs dont know anything bout the islands
bronze fox
What would drive them to capture the dinos?
arctic rune
Maybe they're capturing dinos to see how well their test experiments have done
sinful hatch
Maybe they want dinos for a theme park, or maybe they want them for DNAs, or some other aspect. Like getting the jumpstart on the research their employer needs (essentially someone stealing from AE).
This could be it as Dondi clearly likes the concept of JP, we had Nedry and BioSyn.
quasi zenith
Has anybody gotten the SSTV image from this video yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBMILwT-jGQ
sinful hatch
So there is grounds for that argument.
@quasi zenith , I dont know about that, but I have seen it before. But the message seems to read on the decoding "Tolerate no trespassers / LC". My assumption here is that LC stands for Lawrence Carter.
quasi zenith
The weird sound in the video has a image
SSTV basically : Sound= Image.
sinful hatch
He was the CEO for Phoenix International on Primal Carnage and presumably takes place in the same world as Apollo Engineering.
quasi zenith
You must have a Stereo Mixer on you're PC to get the image witch i do not have sadly.
sinful hatch
ok, me neither.
I am not sure if I have seen the image or not.
I saw a lot of things here already.
quasi zenith
I bet the picture holds a million words.
9/10 people don't have a Stereo Mixer so getting ahold of that image is going to take a while to get the right people...
eager chasm
Isn't that like super old?
sharp meteor
I think
quasi zenith
I just want to know what the image is.
sharp meteor
it looks like a tree and some bush's
quasi zenith
You have the SSTV image?
echo gazelle
@bronze fox Forced Evolution could drive them to contain Dinosaurs
sinful hatch
Well, @eager chasm has a point, a dev did came here a while ago and warned us to be careful with ultra old stuff, might have been Dinosauriac.
cant remember.
quasi zenith
Ah ok.
sinful hatch
ok, dinosauriac said on Jan/8, "I wouldn't put too much stock in that stuff, it's very very old.
You might want to check out that content and see whats there so you can relate to it.
To be fair we were discussing Primal Carnage e-mails I think. So its not directly related to the video you are inquiring about.
tiny carbon
The picture that came out to be was solved a long time ago if I"m not mistaken
actually related mildly to a recent tweet
let me find the pic
@quasi zenith that was the picture.
sinful hatch
B-443
tiny carbon
Which is in a very recent tweet
Just check the #transmissions channel and it's there. "Enter B-443"
sinful hatch
Auxiar, I cant remember B-443, what was it again?
Its the Magnarex?
or a location?
tiny carbon
I don't think it is the Magnarex, but I think it was the facility holding it
sinful hatch
ok, yeah, I remember something along those lines.
tks!
Yeah, when you look at the transmission, the message seems pretty clear.
b-443, #carnageiscoming
so it is something with the old colleagues and PC coming to the The Isle somehow
echo gazelle
CarnageComesHome(CCH) Is what it could translate to. But Dondi recently leaked that people will be able to grow into the Hypo. All-Father, the Magnatyrannus was Apollo's 1ST attempt to creating the perfect Organism. Throne-Breaker is the Hypo Rex. Now the All-Father in the right sense is the king of the throne, but then comes a throne-breaker, suggesting Hypo is Magna's second phase of growth. The 3 Phases a Tyrannosaurus maybe has, but the 4th and Final stage would be the Colossus, achieving Human DNA.
sinful hatch
I like where you are going with this, that MagnaTyrannus is the "middle" stage of an adult rex going into hyper...Interesting. Not sure I would want to move past the Magna on average playthrus.
But Magnatyrannus is considered "perfected", and my guess is that it perfected the Hyper version. My guess is that you will branch into one or the other, allowing the rex to have 2 end stages as options.
1.) Go Magna, a slightly more powerful Adult Rex, probably a bit faster with some added bonus against strains.
2.) Go Hyper, hunger will be a problem but your power and HP would be uncontested.
The issue I take with the colossus is that it does not seem (from the little we were shown) to have Rex traces, I believe this to be an entirely different creature.
I completely ommitted the Neuro and Tisso versions, so its like Rex would get 4 end game forms.
Type-M, Type-H, Type-N and Type-T...hummm
and I do recall that Type-M is not considered a strain, but how so? Every indication seems to show its about that level, if somewhat less effective on regular animals compared to fighting other strains.
echo gazelle
Yeah plus Dondi whenever working on the Hypo Rex or Magna were always worked on next to each other. The comparisons in past streams got me thinking that Magna grows into the Hypo, being what the Magana was set out to be, so a type of forced evolution in a life of Tyrannosaurus. But it can only be achieved by worshipping the replicator.
frozen hemlock
My theory, Drinking water from the weird water containers by the building, slowly change the dinos if they drink from it to often.
icy onyx
What are you talking about?
slow delta
Would be too easy tho
sweet vessel
What if it WAS like a progression level sequence, but you would go from Trex to Magna Trex and then choose a path from there, either Tisso, Hypo, or Neuro
gloomy olive
Has anyone tried going to the location in that video on any of the maps?
icy onyx
i think magna strain dinos are the earliest made dinos because of their reptilian look.
mellow parrot
Magnas were stated as the perfected evolution or something like that
tiny carbon
Pretty sure magnas were created in response to the strains, not the other way around
viscid saddle
I always got the impression that they were improved genetic creations based on results from experimentation with the other strains
Or at least the hyper strain
sinful hatch
I agree with @tiny carbon and @viscid saddle. This is my best guess as well, perfection comes at the end, not the otherway around, at least regarding projects that is (if perfection could ever be achieved anyway).
@frozen hemlock, I don´t think that idea is too wild, I been thinking about the same thing, why you might ask? Well, I was walking the other day around the dome, and there are 2 water plants "treating" or "tempering" with the water. It would not be insane to assume that a "server cycle objective" would involve humans (tribals or mercs - whatever, humans) messing with the water and as such drinking from such water could be 1 of several steps in order to trigger a mutation. I don´t think this idea lands flat at all, the water could be one of several ways animals will get mutated. Dinos can only interact with Drinking, feeding and being in certain locations at certain times, so the trigger would be along those lines, I just don´t believe there is only one trigger alone, infact I would guess creatures would need to go to several locations around The Isle to trigger, which would make it much harder to do so and keep strain numbers down.
swift herald
thought wiki was outdated
worldly gorge
@icy onyx 👍
mellow parrot
Wiki is very outdated from when I was last on
But yes, Magna is considered a strain as it's known as Type-M
While we also have Type-H for Hyper
Type-N I believe has been mentioned for the mother of cannibals, so Neuro
And nothing has been stated for Tisso, but we can assume Type-T
hexed prairie
Hello! i am rather new to the isle and did some looking up on the game. i am hungry to know more about these strains as well as the 'cannibal'. I fear seeing the monstrosity running at me and i want to know more about what is believed to be happening? I saw the pictures and it is like the humans made this mixing it with a dino
echo gazelle
@mellow parrot There are actually 2 Wikis. One has a green theme which is the outdated one. The other has a blue theme which updated just under an hour ago. This link: https://the-isle-dinosaur-game.fandom.com/wiki/The_Isle_Wikia
@hexed prairie Just to break it down in the simplest way possible. There are 4 strains currently known. The first is the Magnatyrannus (Type-M). It also is considered not a strain but rather the perfected organism of a Tyrannosaurus. The second strain being Hyperendocrin or Hypoendocrin (Type-H). This strain is considered the strongest of all, pure killing machines. Five Dinosaurs currently contain this strain which are Tyrannosaurus, Giganotosaurus, Spinosaurus, Carnotaurus and Utahraptor. Basically achieving this strain grants increased bone density, speed and health but hunger depletion is a con. The third strain is the Neurotenic (Type-N). This strain is a mastermind of manipulation, causing weather changes, speak to other species, cause EMP blasts, but most importantly can gain astral projection. The final strain is the Tissoplastic (Type-T). This strain is overall an assassin strain which is the only way to describe it since not much is currently know of it.
echo gazelle
@hexed prairie These are the 3 conceptual art of the Humanoid version of the 3 strains. Starting from the left to the right is the Hypo, Neuro and Tisso
But Cannibals and/or Tribals are really nameless as of now because not much is wanting to be spoiled. I would suggest watching this video, just to give an image of what the cannibals are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=HEFXKJPx35Q
hexed prairie
thank you!
sinful hatch
As a side note, I really like MsCatbugPLZ videos with the toons, the "[redacted]saurus" is particularly funny, as another there. I wish the channel would do some more.
@echo gazelle, I don't feel like the wiki you posted can be treated as accurate, did any of the devs confirm this wiki as legit?
I mean, the information is all over the place, though the descriptions provided have alway been nice to base of.
and if this wiki is true, than it enforces the notion that I have, Deino will be AI only on Survival. Utah disputed this notion last I had a chance to speak with him.
twin vale
there's no official wiki
echo gazelle
@sinful hatch Yeah I don't consider any of them accurate, was just pointing out that one updates more often than the other.
Onto this photo though, was quite sometime since this stream but could give a good speculation on the lore if this will be what v3 will look like eventually. Now based on v3 now, it seems like the bottom right section of the map is scrapped or just revamped since it's now broken into islands, has a powerplant and is mostly ocean. Now the square shape in the center of the photo is the monorail track, for anyone unaware. We can also make out the Aviary but above it is a Botanical Gardens Biodome which I feel the new swamp area will play a role in since there is a untextured facility close to the swamp. Now last thing I want to point out is the current area in v3 that people call "Twins", pretty much the 2 large body of lakes that people use to hang out at all the time. Anyways there is also the ruins next to it which we have all seen, that will be a waterfall ruins according to the image shown. But each of those structure symbols will be large facilities or just buildings in general. Now next to the ruins on the map shown you can see a Paddock, which I believe is where the Giant Skeleton is hidden right now on V3, perhaps the paddock was flooded somehow and just drowned the creature in the end. But who knows, I can go through the entire photo but most have seen it and am just speculating off of it.
sinful hatch
Thanks Dinosauriac.
Wow @echo gazelle , this is old, but some of it can be mapped in the current/improved V3.
Well here we can indeed say there are 4 temples, there is an airstrip near the radio tower and a water facility by the ocean.... I have NEVER seen this one before. The top paddock seems to be the now flooded area with the dam, just as you said.
Very interesting indeed.
On the bottom right, seems to be an underwater paddock and a restricted area a little to the top left.
might not actually be submerged, but kinda odd the "restricted" portion.
I can't wait to see the fences in game, I wonder how it will operate gameplay wise. I know it acts to limit dinos and give humans an edge, but can we demolish parts of it as dinos if its power is down? What game purpose could there be in activating the fences at all if not to prevent us from trashing them while offline...
So many questions...
While I think we should be careful in using this map (due to fact its old v3), we can certainly take some of the core inspirations here, I am sure a good portion is still planned, even if changed a little.
echo gazelle
@sinful hatch What really interests me about the photo is the little orange symbols. Those are Fuel Stations and I remember long ago Dondi saying Halsey's song Gasoline has something to deal with the Isle's lore. I also remember others speculating on this a while back, but there are only 3 that I can see in the image and if V3 will feature biomes eventually, those three fuel stations are in the most deadly areas on the map, one is down by the Dockyard above the restricted area, the other is by the Airbase and the third is more towards the bottom where the mountains are. But my theory on this connects to what you said before on the man you owe can't collect his debt so you have to fix it in some way in order to deliver said debt. What if in order to maintain yourself or to keep your connections of consciouness between your mind in a Dinosaur is to run off gas. A giant machine. Replicating runs off of gas and since everything on the island is degined to kill you, gasoline is a very important assest to completing your profile.
sinful hatch
Very interesting theory there, bear with me here.
I expect mercs to have trouble reaching gas to power their vehicles (danger areas), I mean the strain equivalent for the mercs seem to be vehicles, they will likely be deadly until they run out of fuel. Imagine, if its a 3 seated jeep, 1 driver 2 gunners, the speed and damge it could inflict. It would make sense for gas to be hard to reach. I also think humans will need to activate pumps or something to get the gas out, while Tribals will likely undermine their efforts...
This is where your theory seems to fit nicely, if mercs need gas to become the ultimate "creature while powered" in the game, then the "protectors of the replicator", aka Tribals/Cannibals could use that same fuel to power the replicator in an act of worship.... This seems quite logical @echo gazelle, from a lore and gameplay perspective, it makes sense.
echo gazelle
@sinful hatch Ahh yeah that sounds like a fun experience to me, nice piecing 1 and 1 together. The Dinosaurs although , how would they fit into this, maybe they will be key to getting fuel, sorta heavy support to get pass the other dangers of the isle. They are the absolute unique thing you can play as that the isle introduces.
smoky cosmos
@echo gazelle Uses my thumbnail for your picture and then promotes catbugs video HMMMM 
😛
sinful hatch
Well, if we are talking about the same colossus from the sketches
then it cant be that big
its about taller than a puerta (excluding neck & head)
but it is not as big like the skeleton on that lake
@echo gazelle , stll havent really thought the role dinos play on the scheme.
Cant place them there yet.
icy onyx
Here?
sinful hatch
yup
icy onyx
Ok
sinful hatch
its about theories
I am merely stating that based on the old version of the Hyper/Hypo Colossus it could not be as large as the skeleton submerged on the lake that has the dam.
It is also known that the Colossus is undergoing changes.
muted lion
nothing we've seen so far is close to the skeleton size
icy onyx
I know, but I was wondering about something @sinful hatch
How did the cannibals come to life?
Not talking about the tribes
I mean the “monstrous”one
sinful hatch
Well those cannibals are now refered to as "Unknown".
icy onyx
Ok
sinful hatch
wait, the Tribals are orchish
icy onyx
You confuse me a lot now
sinful hatch
the slenderman is the unknown
sinful hatch
that is correct
there are some theories that is the Matriarch at full growth.
but we dont have enough on that to make the connection
muted lion
isn't the matriarch this super fast evolving thing
sinful hatch
yes
muted lion
because I'm sure it wouldn't evolve to a size at where it can't sustain itself
icy onyx
^^^^^
@sinful hatch you need to count that maybe it works like ants
I mean the “slenderman” unknown
Maybe be a scout or something
I mean
Have you seen the Great Wall?
Something like that
What do you think @sinful hatch
sinful hatch
@muted lion well the oldest description I remember of the Matriarch's growth is that it would start out the smallest creature in the game to become the largest in its end cyle.
@icy onyx Honestly Dondi had the upper hand here, Lunchabills posted a very good video (voiced by Dondi himself) recently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=HEFXKJPx35Q
icy onyx
Already seen that video
sinful hatch
ok, well good. Then we are on the same page on that topic
sinful hatch
we dont know much about the unknown now
icy onyx
I know
So
Cannibals and tribes are the same thing
Let’s start with this
Only that cannibals are bit more
You know
Monstrous?
But human looking
But dondi, refers to the unknown as cannibal
sinful hatch
Well, they [Unknown] kinda are in their own way. There is another old (OLD!) sketch about the Mastermind (aka Echidna) eating an unknown, Echidna has similarities to the Unknown, so they must be somehow related, on some genetic level.
icy onyx
Can I get the sketch
sinful hatch
This caused much speculation that these were the Cannibals
sinful hatch
Oh, this one was buried for me, here.
I got to say this, but I love Tapwing's designs.
even if this creature freaks me out
icy onyx
Not understanding if he’s hugging but k
sinful hatch
I am not in any hurry to meet Neuro strains in general, they are by far the ones that most preys on my fears
icy onyx
Where did you found these sketches
sinful hatch
Well, I never assumed it to be kind
icy onyx
I mean I’d like to see all of them
sinful hatch
I dont remember, I have a few saved on my PC
but we got many people in the community that have like drives for this stuff
icy onyx
Ah
sinful hatch
This is why its so hard to get the complete picture for The Isle's lore and its inhabitants. Its all over the place
sinful hatch
I really liked the videos on youtube by Meatylock about these subjects, he gets a chance to play/talk to the devs, and what I like about his videos is that he goes more straight to the point with these news.
ember flame
Neuros are clever things....
sinful hatch
I tried other content creators, but for me that was more my style.
toxic breach
are tapwings designs the closest to official we can hope for atm? as his neuro spino got adopted
sinful hatch
I can only guess, but you have to be very careful. It seems Tapwing did a lot of fan art for the isle
so not everything tapwing did is cannon.
but is all awesome, all the same.
sinful hatch
I know, right?
earnest glade
She's been a dev for a while
toxic breach
i knew they were an artist and their concept got used, but didn't know they were an actual dev
smoky cosmos
@sinful hatch That art of the colossus was made before tap was a dev and isnt canon
colossus is supposed to be bigger than puerta by a lot, atleast it used to
sinful hatch
ah, tks MeatyLock!
smoky cosmos
not sure about their current plans tho
icy onyx
The colossus is cool as it looks in the sketch
It looks like a King Kong to me
I really wanna see him breaking a T-Rex jaw
mellow parrot
like meaty said, that was before tap was a Dev, plus it's suppose to be large enough to carry a pue on its shoulders
mellow parrot
What do you mean?
icy onyx
You stole my question
Btw
I am meaning that
It is a bad idea
To make the colossus that big
nocturne cosmos
its been said
echo gazelle
Dondi hired tapwing for classified purposes. If anyone knows anything about the Lore, it's Tapwing.
Onto the topic about the 3 strains. The most important thing to note is that they are Humans with embedded strains. Strains themselves are a force that pulls or stretches something to an extreme degree. The Neurotenic specifically is a sceince itself. Neurology is a branch of medicine dealing with disorders of the nervous system. Having a medicine that deals with diagnosis and treatment involving the center peripheral nervous systems including blood vessels, tissue or even muscle but also pushed to even farther lengths can screw something up. Especially a human. Now maybe Neuro was seen as a cure, but ultimately failed as a project entirely. If the console interaction back when Khorne did all the initiating and stuff is still legit and Echidna is MIA. She could have gained Astral Form. Echidna in greek mythology was not mentioned often in ancient texts. Her life was said as "born in and spent most her life in the same cave, only to snatch and devour occasional travelers"
mellow parrot
She is also known as the mother of cannibals, our echidna at least, in Greek mythology she did have children, those including Cerberus, the Hydra, supposedly the Chimera, and a few other nasties
cinder furnace
Seeing a colossus in game would be amazing but if it was bigger than a pie in game it would be ridiculous to balance so if it was as big as or 50% bigger than the size of a hypo giga would monstrous but some what manageable
mellow parrot
You also got to remember that there are "island walkers" in the lore as well @cinder furnace
So it being that big isn't THAT hard to imagine when there are even BIGGER creatures
cinder furnace
Yeah that’s very true but if they ever were playable having them be as big as they are in lore would be a nightmare but if the devs could pull it off it’d be so cool @mellow parrot
nocturne cosmos
i dont imagen they would be playable
sinful hatch
Island walker would be the huge skeleton underwater?
sry, it seems obvious but I need to check, because I want to make sure I am talking about the same thing here. 😃
echo gazelle
There's no confirmed image but George did a sketch that you could find someway that I am not sure of. But I can't imagine anything bigger than Hypos being playable though.
cinder furnace
imagine them as A.I though would be shit scary doubt it'll happen though
sinful hatch
There are ways to make them balanced in their inbalance...
echo gazelle
The Skeleton was specualated as an Island Walker, but there's no concrete information we have on what it actually is.
sinful hatch
hunger for instance, its being used against Type-Hs.
ah, thanks @echo gazelle
but I never heard the mention of Island Walker before.
icy onyx
Drahkahn
sinful hatch
y?
sinful hatch
absolutely.
icy onyx
Well it’s kinda long
Could you help me?
Let’s start stating that The Isle is an island bought by scientist.
In this island they revive dinosaurs for military purposes.
Using strains too
echo gazelle
Island Walkers are something Dondi mentioned long ago iirc so when the ribs first appeared in the previous version of V3 in the redwoods or restricted area, people speculated it as an Island Walker
icy onyx
Like the Type-h creatures
So these dinosaurs are used for military
Strains or not
They’re caged
Then they decide to test on volunteers humans too
@sinful hatch please help
I have anxiety
cinder furnace
i'm liking the theory so far
icy onyx
Thanks
So one day they start the experiment on humans
But while they do this
Another organisation hacks the security system
So the cages all open and stuff
Killing and shooting
The volunteers would become cannibals
And colossus
nocturne cosmos
colossus and the toher i belive there created
icy onyx
While the tribes would smell the gas and take an ogree look
Not too much happens to them
After this
Mercs are sent to clean up the mess
But they met the guys who hacked the system and the Isle become a battling ground
Somewhat
The Isle takes place during war era
I think it’s not complete
sinful hatch
you are doing great @icy onyx . 😄
icy onyx
Thanks
cinder furnace
so where would the colossus be caged? i'd wanna see that cage
icy onyx
No
During the test on the humans
The mess happens
And the volunteers become the “unknown” creature
there’s no cage
Because the colossus was a mistake
cinder furnace
ahhh got you
icy onyx
What do you think?
The volunteers should have become super humans
Somewhat
Omg the anxiety
nocturne cosmos
i think the collous was created in experminits not eveyrhting broke out and then dam
cinder furnace
i like the theory
nocturne cosmos
bam*
icy onyx
Thanks
cinder furnace
maybe the colossus was made by add way too much hypo strain to whatever human/animal they mixed it with
icy onyx
Yes
cinder furnace
but what would they have mixed it with
icy onyx
Well
The strain would be made with different animal dna
Like the colossus judging from the sketches as lizard dna
nocturne cosmos
what came first the hypo or the collosus
icy onyx
Hypo
cinder furnace
it's kinda like riptile scales and crocidilian facial features but almost gorrila like in it's stance etc.