They have human evolution
#isle-lore-theories
meager birch
slow delta
what about transferring conciousnesses
meager birch
FORCED human evolution
slow delta
and the neuro strain
meager birch
the strains are FORCED human evolution
sullen scroll
Transferring human consciousness into a strain dinosaur ?
meager birch
They don't extend life
sinful hatch
@sullen scroll we can clone humans, that is the easy part because we all have genes readily available. Dinos would be harder because it would require mapping genes and genetic manipulation.
slow delta
like cloning a dino
ember flame
not in video game logic
slow delta
^
sullen scroll
@sinful hatch i know thats why its weird to think they would recreate and clone dinosaurs to test if they can do the same for humans thats what hellshade said
meager birch
Even so it makes no god damn sense
The strains have flaws
Hypo needs to eat constantly
sinful hatch
@sullen scroll ok, got it.
ember flame
transferring knowledge is as easy as making a sandwich
meager birch
Tisso we have almost no data on
ember flame
Thats the point
meager birch
And nuero seems to be relatively weak
meager birch
THEY ALL ARE
ember flame
You learn from your mistakes
meager birch
Not when your trying to achieve immortality
this has zero to do with immortality
I dont give a fuck
If its a mistake
ember flame
Wat about imortality?
meager birch
that mistake has NOTHING to do with immortality
sullen scroll
If we were trying to achieve immortality then why would we test it on massive creatures that could kill many people if something were to go wrong? Why not test it on smaller animals that are not carnivores?
meager birch
If they were going for immortality they would be researching how to alter the genetics of a fucking immortal jelly fish to become compatiable with a persons
ember flame
wat
meager birch
brb rq
ember flame
guys were not even on that topic wat
were talking about why they would even make strains in the first place
ember flame
or if they were even trying to make them at first
sullen scroll
Someone suggested they wanted to create a perfect creature that is pretty much immortal
So why do it with giant beasts
Why not small things
sinful hatch
ok, hold on, we need to back it up a little. The transmitter said something about generations, that only the most basic and violent made it, one turned to worship and all that, that is why @slow delta suggested the possibilty for an immortality cure.
hearty fox
slow delta
well it could be a much simpler answer tbh
they made everything cause they can
no other reason
ember flame
Who Knows...
sinful hatch
that piece will only come to light after we figure out why dinos
ember flame
Isle Theories went to hell for about a minute
sullen scroll
They did
slow delta
one of the pce maps contain atriums
v3 contains at least one atrium so far
the isle loading screens mention atriums
could v3 have pce map assets like idk the DOCKS?
sullen scroll
Nah if they just did it cuz theycan then that would be a pretty big let down i doubt the devs are gonna do that
hearty fox
I don't think the atriums etc are pce assets since they have been around for a while
slow delta
i meant thematically
ember flame
I just want to know the companies that are connected to Apollo Engineering?
slow delta
not actual asset copies
hearty fox
ah
sullen scroll
Well look at the company in pce? @ember flame
I feel like ive seen their same logo on the isle someplace
I cant exactly remember
ember flame
Phoenix corp
ember flame
Its the dna symbol on the menu
slow delta
sadly pce lore is even more of a mess than the isle lol
sinful hatch
ember flame
But I want to know if Apollo has any ties
ember flame
not just to Phoenix Corp but to other companies?
sinful hatch
Did PC/PCE ever elaborate it?
Is it possible that this can be linked to AE?
Also what if Lawrence is responsible for both entities?
ember flame
Prob not to tell u the truth
sinful hatch
I accept that
ember flame
I think someone else is behind this mess
ember flame
He alone is probably someone that we don't know about obviously
hearty fox
I wonder why the story about a drunk scotsman is circled in that picture
sinful hatch
lol
slow delta
š¦
yeah sadly i doubt the lore goes so deep as to have functioning emails like that
jesus christ
blindness 100
here's an exact date for our timeline -..-
lawrence carter went missing in july
but the email with the evidence against him was intercepted in november
that gives us a few months unaccounted for
rejuvination of a dying planet HMMMMMMMM
sullen scroll
O.o
regal sundial
I'd bet they're talking about the global warming looming extinction event
twin vale
i wouldn't put too much stock in that stuff, it's very very old
slow delta
email intercepted in november
newspaper posted in july claims carter went missing 8 months ago, so basically december so slightly after the email
regal sundial
And not an alien planet
slow delta
damn
meager birch
With the whole generations thing
I'm pretty sure its referencing the cannibals
Or the tribals
sinful hatch
could be, I am not discarding it, though "only the most basic and violent" made it, makes me think that only those that gave into more primitive behavior (survivalist) would make it, and those with any set of morals that prevented their proper engagement with survival, didn't make it.
like eating a corpse for the sake of survival, while another would rather have it clean and cooked, idk, I failed here to provide a better example.
sinful hatch
lol, it would be nice. š
meager birch
;P
sullen scroll
Maybe the strains are being designed to be implemented into human dna so they can still inhabit earth when it is in its dying state to prevent human extinction?
This might be off the current topic xD but it got me thinking after seeing the dying planet thing earlier
meager birch
They're already used in people and i doubt its to prevent human extinction as it basically makes a new species
sullen scroll
Thats why i mean more like adapt
paper herald
I think the strains are just failed genetic experiments to create āultimate creaturesā or some shit, it seems like the creator man just wants to play god and see how far he can go, rather than take over the world with the Alien Queen or something like that. Itās probably not as deep as we make it
oak pumice
"we just uncovered some rex DNA now let's see what happens when we royally fuck up the genetic code"
hypers happen
"oh"
paper herald
Yeah exactly lmfao
crimson timber
i mean they have human soldiers in the game right so they made super weapon experiments out of dinosaurs too. humans playing god with nature.
oak pumice
the human soldiers are mercenaries tho
they mighta been hired to go kill the experiments (i.e. the dinos)
crimson timber
ah then what about the tribal people where do they fit in all of this? are they descendants of the scientists that created the dinosaurs or survivors that got trapped on the island somehow?
amber hedge
they could very well be descendants, but at the same time they seem to be more refined to the environment that could stretch back much longer then when the scientists were there
crimson timber
ahh natural inhabitants of the islands that makes sense
then the corporate scientists came did their experimentation and then all hell broke loose like Jurassic park and then the mercenaries came to clean up or profit from the mess.
oak pumice
replicator experiments
amber hedge
exactly, but how i see it is like the americas when spain, france, and england came over. there were already inhabitants and the scientists though their land would make a perfect "testing ground" so to speak. The islands are cut off from the world making sure that none of their experiments couldnt escape
amber hedge
its just a thought
Maybe the tribals could have been tricked into participating in the experiments somehow. They needed to test to make sure that all of the dinos behaviors matched like they did before, such as their hunting techniques. it might explain why there are not tribals on the islands now
placid harness
There was a quote somewhere, maybe on one of the twitters about making people believe its what they wanted.
They have trapped indigenous or existing groups of people into the profile cycle.
meager birch
@paper herald The strains are intentional as anything that fails to adapt to the strain becomes misfigured and dies kinda like how the venom symbiote works
tiny carbon
that brings up the question of how players are able to become strains then. If strains are intentional, then there has to be something that triggers it somehow.
meager birch
From what i know the strains are injected into dinos or people then tested
But it could be that if playing as a tribal/cannibal if you eat the flesh of a nuero/tisso/hypo you become infected with one of those strains
placid harness
maybe its some weird walking dead scenario where the strains are already inside of us, dormant.
tiny carbon
If it were eating flesh then that would indicated that it's some sort of bacterial or viral infection, which as far as we know in this universe doesn't cause DNA mutations like the strains. As far as I"m aware, there's no kinds of drugs that can be passed from creature to creature like that either. Now, the idea of them all being in them already could make sense as contact with that viral or bacterial infection could lead to it activating in your body, but that's almost way too easy of a scenario. The devs have already stated it's going to be difficult to obtain a strain. I highly doubt it'll be as simple as eating tainted meat that can be obtained from finding a dead one lying around somewhere. It's got to be a lot more sophisticated than that.
meager birch
the strain is most likely a Strain Of a virus
@tiny carbon
As it attacks and alters the host's DNA
Pretty sure thats what crispr is a bacteria
cas9 is an enzyme produced by crispr that finds the dna and cuts it
so kinda
slow delta
I remember seeing a stream where it was mentioned you could find certain vials in human bases that you could eat as a dino and start the transformation to strain
Idk if its outdated or not but it seems like a mutagen of some sort
More like a coctail of chemicals rather than just a single enzyme
Making a dino into a strain probably includes injecting new "resources" into its body rather than just reorganising its dna
Cause no matter what dna changes happen a rex would need the building blocks to actually grow to hyper size
serene wadi
I hope it's not simple luck gameplay wise
I can't imagine it being as easy as just smashing a container and drinking from it, the devs said the process would be difficult to figure out
slow delta
well human bases could dangerous so it could work like a reward for finishing a dungeon
sorta like a high risk high reward system
serene wadi
What would be there to defend the goods that can possibly be challenging, though? What could be still guarding the bases?
We know that mercs can eventually repair bases and get them working again
placid harness
So many strains are being modeled, animated, and eventually put into the game. I'd doubt they would be impossible to find. In fact, once people know how to do it, it will be relatively easier.
At that point, the only constraints they could put on obtaining a strain transformation would be skill or time based, maybe both.
placid harness
The best way to do it would be like how Battlefield 4 did a lot of its secret unlockable content (i.e. the phantom program stuff).
It took a long time for the community as a whole to figure out. A lot of legitimate code breaking and theorizing to knock out each little step.
Eventually, you'd have to go to certain spots on the map to do specific things that would give you, the player, a unique code or sequence that pertained to your mission.
Despite it being a triumphant reveal for the community, following the steps in a journey that is unique and slightly personalized was how you unlocked things in the end.
So with strains, this would be hard to do as A: You are probably a dinosaur trying to become a strain and B: the experience, despite it being similar to what other players could go through, might be unique to yourself or that instance of a dinosaur you are playing as.
slow delta
i mean considering how much decoding we had to do for pointless lore sauce i imagine finding out in game info that could make a player into a strain to be really tough
placid harness
Its a daunting task at first but once it is fogured out by the community it just comes down to weather the player would likely be able to survive or not.
slow delta
i got a little more possible clues when it comes to mythology
placid harness
I haven't even considered that the particular strain you get might just straight up kill you instead of transforming you.
slow delta
Apollo Engineering
ā¢Apollo was an oracular godāthe prophetic deity of the Delphic Oracle.
ā¢Medicine and healing are associated with Apollo,yet Apollo was also seen as a god who could bring ill-health and deadly plague.
He was involved with prophecies , seeing the future, so Apollo Engineering could very loosely be translated into Engineering the Future.
Also with Phoenix Corp being related to the field of medicine perhaps this is another clue that Apollo Engineering took more than assets from Operation Inferno is more like a spin-off company that rose from the ashes of the former Phoenix Corp.
But that's just a theory, A LORE THEORY
Thanks for reading lol
earnest glade
charred dust
At the menu screen, You notice that there is vines everywhere and only few lights light up . Well in my opinion mercenaries only came back on the island after Years and years from since the strains were created. I think they left cause they were too strong and could kill every mercenary on the island , so they left hoping there will be no food for them and they will die , but maybe (I know hypos canāt go very long without food) but maybe they can enter in a hibernating state and they can go years without eating. Then after some years they come , kill some sauropods and go to sleep again. And when the humans came back and switched the power on, that field of electricity woke up all the strains and now they are roaming back with dinosaurs. Of course humans didnāt come unprepared in this case and they bring with them guns that can kill hypos (devs mentioned them way back in the day). What you think?
If people, in real life, left the power stations and everything , they will go unfunctional and will let nature take them back.
Or grow all over them.
slow delta
well atm v3 has abandonned human bases
but also working ones
moving cameras and other stuff
charred dust
Yes , because the humans came back. We donāt know when they came back but they did (according to my theory)
slow delta
also this kind of flew over my head but don't we already know the name of one of the islands the game takes place in?
hearty fox
the bases don't look like they've been abandoned for very long
not many collapsed structures or anything
something like the radio towers would have gone into a bad condition in a matter of a few years I think
crisp moon
My question is what made them lose power and what caused the whole problem... did someone let the Dinosuars loose and screw up the isle? I recall an old Transmission form Omplyic about Someone releasing a Strain that went around wrecking things and they tried containing it then suddenly they got a powerout and things started escaping... then someone somehow kicked the power back in
slow delta
also sadly the name of one of the islands (that might or not be canon to the lore) -thenyaw island- doesn't have a real life equivalent š¦
hearty fox
well I mean, probably not the answer you are looking for but the only confirmed location name as far as I know is Thenyaw island
slow delta
well guys don't forget
unlike pce and jp
nothing went wrong in the isle
everything must have been planned
dondi said so
slow delta
testing?
charred dust
We canāt forget that there could be human facilities inside the mountains. At the main menu you can hear a lot of sounds, the thing is those sound reflect and you hear them with a little bit of echo. That either points at the facility being empty (if you ever been in an empty room you notice an echo) or it can be a throwback of what people did there (you know when you get a flashback and you start hearing sounds but not as detailed as they was back in the day when it happened to you)
hearty fox
the main menu ambience is quite similar to what you hear when you approach the radio tower on thenyaw
with the metallic creaking and such
charred dust
Yeah, that can be a sound that lets people know this place is falling apart
crisp moon
I have reason to believe there is a underground facility
slow delta
yeah but there are no visible stations near the tower
unless its inside the house
but the screen looks like old equipment, not something you'd expect to find there
charred dust
Thenyaw can be the second island where people took some captured strains they could have captured when they left to test them further. Thatās why there are some human facilities there as well
crisp moon
There has been evident to support that there is an underground facility in the Isle v3 so my guess is the main Dino cloning and making cambers are underground
slow delta
well v3 is huge compared to thenyaw so if something is gonna be canon it has to be it
crisp moon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/531231275881725964/unknown.png I know this image has been talked about a lot
Whatever the devs have planned for it its unfinished but it could well be setup for a storyline plot
charred dust
Guys, you have to remember, the strains are very intelligent creatures. If one cannibal manage to escape, it wouldnāt be that hard for him to figure out, if he destroys the power and lets some of his āfriendsā out , they can escape the facilities
crisp moon
Yes i get that
hearty fox
none of the strains have been proven to be highly intelligent aside from the neurotenics afaik
crisp moon
But the question is how did a strain escape?
hearty fox
and even with the neuros it's debatable
they could just be dumb animals using abilities we automatically link with intelligence
charred dust
Donāt forget about the colossus and the neurotic reaper
hearty fox
neurotenic echidna*
charred dust
Yeah
hearty fox
reaper is the tissoplastic variant and has been scrapped as a concept
slow delta
@crisp moon this is the first time ive seen this
crisp moon
im interested in the events before the Exit of all the dinosaurs from their holding cells etc Who or what autorised the release of the dinosuars
I assume it could of been two things someone inside the command chain did it
hearty fox
well, there are holding pens for them present on maps
crisp moon
Or the Dinos did it themsleves
hearty fox
such as the atrium
slow delta
the atriums weren't specifically for containing
but rather temporarily holding and studying
like the aquatic one for testing the magna's capabilities
or when hyper alfie broke out and they repurposed atrium C for land hypers
(see the loading screen messages for this info)
charred dust
Thing is, what IF the human facilities were underground , but they let every single strain at the top of the island . I mean , they canāt swim away and they have a pretty big area to roam
hearty fox
was alfie a confirmed hyperendocrin?
slow delta
there's definitely human stuff above ground
hearty fox
I thought it was unspecified
placid harness
Highly intelligent doesn't mean you can guess the existence of electrical grids and their purpose, for the record.
slow delta
nah it mentions it pretty clearly
hearty fox
I see
slow delta
lemme find it
AE-AES-100
TYPE-H SPECIMENS
TYPE-H ASSET STUDY HAS BEEN MOVED FROM (6 LETTERS) TO ATRIUM C. ALL ASSETS SHOW INCREASED BONE DENSITY AND TISSUE GROWTH. DUE TO THE VOLATILE EFFECTS SINCE (5 LETTERS), STUDIES HAVE BEEN SECLUDED TO TYRANNOSAURUS,GIGANOTOSAURUS,SPINOSAURS, AND UTAHRAPTOR SPECIMENS. QUETZALCOATLUS STUDY HAS BEEN NEUTRALIZED SINCE (9 LETTERS). CODE ALFIE-(6 LETTERS) IS STILL MIA.
AE-BLS-003
QUETZALCOATLUS
ALL QUETZALCOATLUS BIOLOGICAL ASSETS HAVE BEEN DEEMED (6 LETTERS) BY (6 LETTERS) SINCE TYPE-H ALFIE-(6 LETTERS) ATRIUM BREACH. ALL STUDIES ARE TO BE CONCLUDED AND ASSETS NEUTRALIZED UNTIL A LATER DATE. ATRIUM C TO BE REPURPOSED FOR TERRESTRIAL TYPE-H SPECIMENS ONLY. DO NOT REPLICATE.
type-h alfie
cant get clearer than that, can it
charred dust
Yes, but you donāt need to be an intelligent species to figure out that if you are more , chance of success is higher . Allos and gigas already hinted that way
Itās not hard to think the strong is in numbers
hearty fox
for hyperendocrin creatures it's quite the contrary
they'll starve faster the more there are
charred dust
Yes but not all of them
slow delta
super predators like strains probably worked alone or at least in very small groups
maybe neuros or tissos could coexist but i doubt a pair of hypers could sustain themselves
hearty fox
and again- who is to say the strains were intelligent. Even neuros could just be dumb animals with abilities commonly attributed to high intelligence
crisp moon
I doubt hypos would form groups
slow delta
besides lore wise im pretty sure humans could actually interact with the hypers pretty easily
a starving hyper would not waste precious energy to try and eat tiny humans, especially not when they are probably feeding it
charred dust
Look, Hypo Spino, giga , rex, they hunt alone BUT MAYBE , the cannibal liked to hunt with other cannibals, we donāt know what they inkected into them. And you donāt need to be smart to realize if you release a Hypo Rex that only sees destruction , he will destroy everything
slow delta
wasn't it also mentioned tribals could tame hypers by feeding it or something along those lines?
crisp moon
I can see Caniibals hunting in packs
not big ones tho
@slow delta I heard that Taming might be subject to be removed or changed because of the way it is/was planned to work
slow delta
oh
charred dust
Guys, Dondi said(at least in the past) , to become a cannibal you need to eat your own tribal friends. Well as a tribal, you hunt as a tribe, you are together. But when you become a cannibal , why that instinct to hunt together needs to go away? I mean itās in your blood to hunt with your brothers
hearty fox
never heard of this detail
crisp moon
I heard of Dondi only speak of threwing your fellow tribals into pits to please some god machine
icy onyx
When was the hypo Carno teased?
crisp moon
More mutants then cannibals if i remember dondi has classed them as unknown
@icy onyx Around the time of our most recent update or a little later
icy onyx
I mean the Black picture dondi showed that when brightend up you could see the hypo carno
crisp moon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/521266382508392449/530610682190757888/image0.png you mean this
hearty fox
that's a hypo rex
crisp moon
Its asleep š in a tank
icy onyx
It was featured in one of Anthomnia i mean trash's videos
crisp moon
No its not forzen because bubbles
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/521266382508392449/530612408062836746/image0.png you have the younger man with the same rex
Now going off of actual Genetic therory they say your DNA changes as you age and replaces older genetic cells etc
How i rekcon they could of Made this rex a Hypo is 1 already of made it a hypo to begin with
or Infusioned its DNA with a Hypo strain
...
And yes you can inject DNA strains into living things it has been done in todays world with flys and other creatures
@icy onyx Also heres your Carno https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401468849586962433/530690234757939200/20190104042938_1.jpg
hearty fox
I'm interested about the detail of that first hypo rex being in some kind of liquid tank. Does anyone have the higher res poster or know where to find it?
can't see much detail on the linked image
crisp moon
That image is possibly buried under thousands of theroies by now
I could do some hunting for it
charred dust
Isn't that the Neuro Rex? With the vain on the neck and his neck rounded like it's in a tank?
hearty fox
can't see a vein or a neck for that matter on either of the posters
charred dust
https://66.media.tumblr.com/67eba6d1e49a12452a6a28290dad938e/tumblr_oyvf2a0X7v1vkbnjpo1_1280.jpg
Isn't this the one that you mean ? I mean our brains sometimes think this is something but it's really something else
charred dust
Or it can be the Primal Carnage - Genesis (dead game) trailer where the rex is in a tank. That's the only time I remember seeing a rex in a liquid tank
hearty fox
I was talking about the one @crisp moon posted
crisp moon
you could be right
hearty fox
with the hyperendocrin rex supposedly in a liquid tank of some sort
charred dust
Those are particles..
hearty fox
well that's the thing, I can't tell what it is because the image is so low res
crisp moon
There is bubbles on the top right
slow delta
Possible Isle-PCE Hybrid Timeline Events:
September 7, 2004 Doctor Vega successfully perfect the Tissoplastic tissue.
sometime in 2020 Phoenix Corporation exists
6 months later, 2020 Primal Carnage: Extinction takes place
November 18, 2023 Email with evidence against Lawrence Carter is intercepted
December, 2023 Lawrence Carter disappears
July 5th, 2023 newspaper article stating Lawrence Carter has been gone for 6 months
icy onyx
I think it's the hypo rex just standing looking at the human. also by the way the human is petting it you can see the humans hand touching his bottom jaw
slow delta
this isle-pce hybrid lore is such a mess
hearty fox
keep in mind the article date may be outdated info now since it's so old
slow delta
yeah ik
charred dust
I have a theory for you, what if Dondi still needs to figure out the lore and takes ideas from us that are most interesting 
slow delta
thats not a theory lel
hearty fox
well yeah, that's been happening afaik
charred dust
charred dust
Dondi used to work on Primal Carnage- Genesis
slow delta
we need some new lore info, like a transmission or some more code
genesis was scrapped
charred dust
Ik
hearty fox
would be great if we actually got somewhere in regards to why the isle even exists in the first place
crisp moon
im no one for pulling Simliarists but What if The isle is a rebirth of Carnage
In its own way
slow delta
nah tbh pce is too much like jp
i like this mysterious and dark isle theme
forced evolution etc
crisp moon
@hearty fox Well people are mainly going on about it being based in the Pacfic
But it could be anywhere
slow delta
what if phoenix corp and apollo engineering existed at the same time and phoenix corp was like the front company disguised as doing medical research while apollo engineering was the one doing all the inhumane expirements, but then with operation inferno phoenix corp went out of the public image and apollo engineering simply continued to exist hidden in the shadows
crisp moon
Could of done
I have heard theroes that the reason for the Mercs on the isle is because of this rumor that Phoenix crop might be wanting to recreate their company and take the isle dinosaurs
but that seems a bit out of the question given as how Dondi has stated many times the two games arent linked
hearty fox
why would the mercs start off as unarmed though if someone sent them to capture dinosaurs
or could it be an "operation gone wrong" type deal
crisp moon
again unarmed
Where did the whole unarmed thing come from... They have weapons as stated with ammo just NOT VERY MUCH AMMO
hearty fox
last I heard mercs will start off with a pocket knife and will have to find firearms and ammunition
serene wadi
I think it was a knife and a pistol
crisp moon
Tho in our present they could be very much fucked
sweet zephyr
knife n pistol iirc
hearty fox
I would say a pistol is still very light armament against dinosaurs
so I don't think the mercs were sent with full knowledge of what the island contains
crisp moon
huh
muted lion
but if you shot a dinosaur skull with a pistol it is still dead
hearty fox
unless it is in fact a "operation gone wrong" situation
crisp moon
I would say operation gone wrong
hearty fox
unless it's a large dinosaur which as enouhg bone in it's head to stop said bullet before vitals are damaged
crisp moon
Why hide the nature of the operation to the mercs you hire
unless of course you want them to die
hearty fox
maybe they aren't AE's mercs
muted lion
if you hit the eye from the right angle everything is dead
slow delta
there could be mercs from multiple factions
muted lion
to hit from the right angle is unlikely though
serene wadi
We know that things kinda went bad
crisp moon
Question is which factions know and which dont
serene wadi
Some unrelated people oughta have gotten the news
hearty fox
maybe AE and phoenix were stopped by a third party that has sent mercs to the island without knowledge of what is contained on it?
sweet zephyr
unlikely.
the mercs come to the island with a purpose, and are given exceptional equipment.
crisp moon
I doubt it would be that
sweet zephyr
they came prepared.
crisp moon
^^^
hearty fox
so assuming that then, what could be causing the mercs' attempts to approach the island well prepared to fail so often
crisp moon
Maybe to recover something
hearty fox
I guess there could still be some entity protecting the island
sweet zephyr
we know that they rebuild bases.
so it is likely that something led to a loss of control.
serene wadi
Uhhh all sorta monsters
sweet zephyr
yes.
serene wadi
And supposedly... Gigantic beasts that aren't just fossils
sweet zephyr
but you'd think they have countermeasures for those.
the hypo gun, as far as we know, is still a thing.
if those creatures were made by these people you'd think they have nukes.
hearty fox
not hard to imagine, seeing as dinosaurs can just stroll around in the abandoned bases. Must not have been that hard to infiltrate even when they were manned
sweet zephyr
''infilitrate''
crisp moon
^^
sweet zephyr
you'd think gunshots would scare non-controlled ones away.
and these mercs, as stated before, came prepared.
crisp moon
maybe it was the muants
sweet zephyr
that's a possibility.
crisp moon
I mean there is next to nothing on them
They could of had the balls to screw up the isle
but for what reason
hearty fox
I guess the human based strains would have been the ones to attack humans without a clear motive
crisp moon
hmmm
You only hire mercs unless you want to be secretive and protect your things i mean why not hire the army? its obivous the isle is not meant to be noticed via the public.... so the possible answer to why they are going in with mercs is to possibly deal with maybe the muants tribals or just their escaped dinosaurs or even as stated RECLAIM the isle
I dont think its to do with another company screwing up their stuff
its more their own creatures
slow delta
i dont think they want to reclaim the islands
for that you can just bomb the hell out of them under the pretense of military testing
they could be sent to retrieve/steal info/personnel or be guinea pigs
hearty fox
Assuming they did research on the island, it could be AE sending mercs to take home research papers and such that didn't make it outside the island before it was abandoned
weak nexus
They could want to bomb the island and be over with it @slow delta but they could be under fire from the public with how "dinosaurs have animal rights too" people know about this place because of the abandoned hotel, so it could be a possibility
slow delta
yeah but i could think the public would have no idea about apollo's affairs and their dino experiments
weak nexus
It's pretty obvious that people were there, or we're supposed to be there at some point. We've even seen fully rendered towns for goodness sakes
fossil lily
Could possibly be staff towns
For staff to move their family over there
So they can work and continue a "Normal" family life
bronze pike
honestly i would love to see mercs be able to take over and fortify old houses n shit
and i think the current topic is, lore regarding the mercs
crisp moon
I imagine when mercs build a outpost/base or refortiy old factilites
they will be invaded by Dinosaurs for reason kind of Event thing
or the mumants
but the only thing i could see happening would maybe the muants invading in order to grab strain dna samples
and defending team stopping them
imagine how scary that would be
One minute you are sitting drinking coffee or tea at a computer monitor then you see a horde of Muants trying to break in to your facitily then you sound the alarm and all your mercs get into gear and roll in to stop them
sinful hatch
Late to the party today, sry.
@tiny carbon I agree that a dormant gene could be activated with an outside catalyst in order to trigger mutation.
@slow delta your case about having to go into a human base to fetch it seems reasonable from a gameplay perspective, I would imagine this to be super hard if humans are there defending it with all there gadgets.
Also I like to thank you for the Greek mythology on Apollo, it feels right to me, good stuff.
If it is "difficult to figure it out" to be a strain as @serene wadi said, then it would need to be more involved than walking in, perhaps it will be something that Tribals can help with because there needs to be a plus for a dino tame to cooperate with Tribals once captured. Perhaps Tribals and raptors only (who can enter a merc facility) can fetch such thing and then present it to a desired dino so it becomes a hypo, humans I imagine would provide little food value and thus chances are the hypo will seek bigger prey.
So, for the theory bit, I take it that there is some crate / vile or something stored that could trigger the strain (perhaps there is no way to know which one at moment of contact). Since they are research facilities I would think that samples would be somewhere. It could even involve getting into several human bases do get several samples to really trigger this.
Also, I don't think dinos were ever enclosed, I believe they were always contained on The Isle with the "active tracking" system. This is why some places have fences (like the radio tower), the other buildings feel very placeholder like, I am sure more will come to it.
I will now get back to reading your inputs. š
sinful hatch
Ok, caught up with everything, loads of interesting bits here, my take on the Mercs, they are mercenaries, they are hired gun with a mission. I could make a number of assumptions how they start out with a pocket knife, they crashed, got ambushed, spread, used parashot and lost bags, who knows. It can be explain. Who hired the mercs is the bigger question regarding their presence. They can reactivate buildings, its possible they got some clearance but I doubt as mercs they would be above the "need to know basis". They are only getting half the story I am pretty sure.
Also, remember that one of the loading screens spoke of contamination on contact (I assume its not airborne) and that infected personal needed to be terminated.
@crisp moon the "You shouldn't be here." felt to me more of a nod to Duke Nukem, as it had a secret room on one of the levels with lots of power goodies, like a jet pack, but I am just that old to remember the nostalgia, perhaps its really something hidden there in a future patch.
Also, Apollo Engineering had the government's blessing, and I believe it was all under the public radar, very secretive. One of the load screens mentions government officials accesses or something.
sinful hatch
it seems so, at least based on those old AE loading screens.
crisp moon
yeah
dense cradle
so, it's obvious the random bricks in the middle of a mountain is part of the hypo-engineering station right?
in all seriousness, maybe it could be part of the tribals eh.. "alter" to worship the replicator
unfinished ofc but that may be where it is
crisp moon
maybe
sinful hatch
My mentioned this either yesterday or the day before to someone else that asked about the bricks on the mountain.
its clearly very placeholder, but the structure seem to be very old, so I am going for the secondo option @dense cradle , tribal structure.
its very distinct from the facilities, though it seems to cause interference as well
dense cradle
first one was a joke about what.. gulps anth said the other day, saw someone meming it, either way offtopic
sinful hatch
well, I have done a lot of reading, lol. I will take a break. But overall very interesting stuff here. From everybody, pretty much.
crisp moon
anyone know anything else on this
dense cradle
don't trust everything you hear from them
either way i thought he always said "now for some fanart" or something like that
this is going offtopic now so imma go hide
oak pumice
nah fam these
are where tribals sacrifice mercs to the Replicator
look at those well-traveled foot paths leading up to it
wooden lily
or it could just be runoff
lost elk
what about at the docks? There is a traveled path straight into a closed cave it looked like
lost elk
I've also just realized, has anyone checked to see if the way the static phases in and out when near Human Zones, if its also morse code? Because at the 4 buildings human area near the radio tower (think its called the twins complex) i got this instead of straight static bars. Its the Apollo Engineering symbol
yes im under the map in a recording. Was zooming around looking at the Ocean for clues and the camera slipped under the edge of the map.
lost elk
this is the foot path i was referring to above
and the collapsed cave at the end kinda looks man made to be honest.
dense cradle
@lost elk that path has a train track on it, am i wrong?
lost elk
Possibly? Not sure from my screen shot angle right now
dense cradle
i walked over there on the day v3 was released, ofc there has beeb a map update since then and i haven't been back but there was tracks there before
dense cradle
ahh ok
placid harness
Yeah, the collapsed caves on V3 and Thenyaw are pretty suspicious. Especially on V3 where it is hidden behind the waterfall, below the overlook of those giant brick structures.
echo gazelle
The ones on Thenyaw are pretty interesting. In the beginning I thought the one on V3 shown in the screenshot above was some sort of passage for Tribals but I am beginning to think it is just an underground tunnel for some sort of transportation. Which would explain the tracks on the shipyard in both ends have tracks that lead directly to the tunnel. On to another topic though, if spawned Dinos are tracked and nested Dinos are not, would being spawned lead to achieving a Hypo or any of the strains while being nested would lead to a Magna, given it's a perfected Dinosaur? In addition it would be interesting if spawned Dinos are within one of the cages on the shipyard and they are set free with a tracking chip for studies and possibly locations to capture other creatures. While nested are free but still are endangered to being captured and/or killed.
slow delta
Hey guys you know those big charts with connecting lines conspiracy theorists make? I was thinking of reviewing every clue and information we have gotten so far and putting it in one big chart so we can see it clearly. I was looking at the khorne stream info and i realised i had forgotten a lot of the stuff so i figured if you want to complete a puzzle you have to have all the pieces on the table.
placid harness
As long as we get tinfoil hats I'm in.
slow delta
Cause well taters site is more of an archive and it doesnt connect the information and our document contains the newer stuff only
hasty latch
Will we need physical string? Or virtual string?
placid harness
lets make a prezi
icy onyx
lets make a discord server
placid harness
A separate discord where we can start getting to work on putting them together would be nice.
icy onyx
so who shoould make it
slow delta
Guys stop
feral pond
Please do not advertise other discords within this one. DM them to those wanting instead.
muted lion
ok
slow delta
hey guys so i've starting collecting all the info pieces
if you have something that's not in the google doc or tater's website, please post it here
slow delta
don't know if it's more convenient to keep them all in one file or as separate files, but i'll keep them separate for now. when i'm done i'll see if i can upload it so you guys can use it too, cause it's a bit of a pain when you want to revise some of the info and you have to hop between this chat, the doc and the site.
would anyone happen to have a text file of the console stream?
š¦
slow delta
So far i've compiled the console stream, olympus transmissions, loading screens, morses and clues from the doc file, the site info
i still need the relevant pce stuff (like b-443) and the ae transmitter stuff
oh damn
i forgot the discord transmitter used to join the vc and play morse over the mic
btw if the dev branch is being updated maybe the menu screen orange flashing light morse code changed?
anyone know where this is from?
slow delta
yeah i saw that
would be nice to have a source but oh well
this channel is full of sourceless images
im surprised nobody thought of archiving everything until now
muted lion
maybe the isle twitter? I don't have twitter but I know there is a TI account
slow delta
this is what i have gathered in about 1 and a half hours and there's still a lot more
there's lots of things left to gather
twitter, steam forums, original discord transmitter, info from this channel
now if only dinosauriac saw my efforts and rewarded us with another clue :>
twin vale
it's more fun to watch you speculate wildly
slow delta
š¦
so... cyborg dinos
truth or fact?
well anyways, that's all i have time for today. if anyone else has more text,images etc you can post them here and tag me or dm them to me and if they are relevant i'll be sure to include them.
twin vale
ultimately it's up to the dondi whether more is revealed. that static image is only one of a few that have yet to be properly shown.
slow delta
i see
regal sundial
Cyborg dinos is just stupy
tiny carbon
You say that, but think of the really old piece with the Hypo rex eating the jeep. It does seem to have a glowing red eye. Like, a GLOWING red eye. Not just some camera red-eye stuff, but like a glowing red eye
I don't like the idea of cyborg dinos
oak pumice
think that was just...artistic liberties
tiny carbon
but honestly I think we have some stuff to go off of with that.
Could have been
But who are we to say what is and isn't with all the stuff that's been revealed and whatnot
slow delta
meager birch
Red eyes are a genetic trait just to clarify so it's not objectively a cyborg just cause it has red eyes
Also, cyborg dinosaurs? Really?
crisp moon
oh god
dont tell me you got caught up in a conversation of randoms talking about hypo rex
slow delta
time to continue archiving
i see nobody sent me any info so i guess ill do everything myself :/
also info from streams
like this
Also for those who say the strains might have evolved naturally
oh no
there is a 2nd transmitter twitter account
fresh rivet
I think that was a given. The only "natural" strain i think is magna, iirc dondi in a very old stream called it nature's way to counteract the strains
slow delta
or nvm i guess i missed some tweets
guess ill have to rescreenshot all 44 transmissions and include the dates this time in case we need a timeline or sth
i used inspect element on the transmitters twitter page to remove the icon out of the background
lets get analyzing
doesnt the small thing in the circle look like a roaring psitaco
and the thing that looks like a bridge
or building foundations
HMMMM
the only place we've seen things under construction in game is v3
icy onyx
angry oi yell
slow delta
a few of the transmissions are pretty useless since they refer to survival injections etc but ill archive them just for the record
unless if injections are lore sauce, would that connect our fourth wall existence with the game canon as some sort of vr thingy?
a description of the islands envisioned by AE?
tiny carbon
@meager birch , it has one, glowing red eye. Pretty sure that isn't a genetic trait.
And I don't want them to be cyborgs, I'm just saying that it's something that should be considered seeing as we still have next to no ground on what is and isn't factual around here. If I were all of you, I would quit dismissing some stuff as easily as you all do.
And that's actually not a bad thought with the injections connecting to that fourth wall idea HellShade
slow delta
finally done screenshotting and cropping all 44 transmissions
time to look at every single screenshot and image ever posted in this channel
sinful hatch
@slow delta nice work there compiling all that. Must have taken you a while to do it.
As for the last picture you posted, I cannot say if it is a Taco or not, I need to force myself into seeing it as one, but it does look like an animal. The structure looks like a monorail do me, but I could be so wrong.
I am also not a fan of Cyborg / Turok Dinos (in The Isle at least, I like the whole genetic thing more), but I guess that original Hypo art makes some case for it as it always looked weird to me in context.
slow delta
the cyborg dino comment i made was a joke
also apparently there is a filter with random messages on the screen when you die in game
similar to the loading screen one
sinful hatch
yes I got that, it just opened another avenue
š
Which seems unlikely, thankfully
slow delta
but people only partially wrote it down so i'll need a complete text before i archive it, if anyone has the time to die a bunch of times, screenshot the whole text filter and write it down, that'd be great lol
sinful hatch
So, I haven't seen the loading screens with text anymore, they just show the planet with the AE logo turning it. At least as I recall that would be it. Do you actually need to die so it loads some info?
I see you got even the "better tomorrow" piece there which is the more "formal" mention of this in AE's database
slow delta
i haven't played the isle for a while so i don't know if the filters have changed or not, but even though they seem like lore sauce they are still an interesting part of the lore and worth writing down. if i ever get the time next month i'll devote a day to trying to write down the death screen filter.
or i guess i could use the partial thing the other people wrote down
regal locust
Alright, do you need an entire GIF of the death screen? Or simply a screenshot for the filter?
regal locust
I'm not sure if I can manage a GIF, GIFs act up whenever I try to make 'em. I've tried looking in the game files a while back, not sure if it's changed.
I'll check it again.
slow delta
screenshots will work then dw
regal locust
Sending it in PMs.
nocturne cosmos
i am glad this place is still going
regal locust
Just barely, I haven't done anything since we haven't gotten anything compound personally. But peeps here speculate.
nocturne cosmos
good old days when we got clues eveyr few days and people would sit in vc waiting. can i get a quick run down or the doc of what we got os faar?
regal locust
Err, it's in pinned messages.
Also, I love how we also have Meaty's "Type-H Rex is the ThroneBreaker". Even though that was the magna, wasn't it?
nocturne cosmos
havent seen the pic in a while
slow delta
nah its an early hyper
coarse sonnet
<@&401466542140817419>
regal locust
I smell a ban.
viscid saddle
slow delta
thank you souretsu, very cool
nocturne cosmos
o shit bois stay still
slow delta
alright so
guys brainstorming time
does anyone remember the clues the voice chat transmitter had given us
nocturne cosmos
you mean when it would join the vc and do mores code?
nocturne cosmos
fuck i was there for that, it should all be in one of the old docs
slow delta
but i couldnt find the exact message
i dont think there's an old doc
just the newer one
nocturne cosmos
is the original doc gone? that should have had it all
slow delta
we were all discussing about the decoded morse codes but nobody had the idea to write them down in chat
original doc?
nocturne cosmos
the first doc that was made
slow delta
first time i hear about it
nocturne cosmos
when the transmitter was going into the vc someone made a doc
slow delta
it rings a bell now that you mention it but
ill look around for it
nope
if i try to search by file it shows up all the images etc so thats not a feasible way to look for it
same with links
i guess its lost to the passage of time
nocturne cosmos
lemm ehck my old dms i used ot talk to alot of people
slow delta
aight
nocturne cosmos
i may have sent it to one of em
slow delta
good luck checking over a year worth's of dms
meager birch
@sinful hatch animals can have different colored eyes also it's a fucking genetically enginnered Trex some abnormalities should be expected
slow delta
are we still going on about an artistic depiction of a glowing red eye
sinful hatch
I am ready to move on from the red eye, its the only picture which has it and it is an isolated event. I discard cyborgs as a whole because:
1.) Wild animals bleed and breed with saliva an all, it would be TOO sci-fi for the setting The Isle is going for. The trick to have some horror experience (as labeled on Steam tags) is to make a close to reality as possible.
2.) Several icons/mentions or screens go for the Double Helix (DNA). Not to mention that paired with Apollo Engineering, I take it is the engineering of DNA.
Hence why I believe we are indeed talking about a biological achievement here, lets not leave out the term "strain".
Also, I am very sorry, I can't remember which one of you said this, but the mention of the Magnas as a response to strains was a good piece for me to work of from.
nocturne cosmos
my search turned up nothing
sinful hatch
Is it possible that the Elder system is directly related to the Magnas?
if so, are herbivores able to achieve a Magna out come, considering that Magnas are not Strains?
slow delta
nani?
nocturne cosmos
i tihnk its the right
nocturne cosmos
sorry right one
slow delta
oh
nocturne cosmos
the other google doc thats pinned
slow delta
yeah this one doesnt have the vc morse
it has other morse
i should know, im one of the guys who made it
the vc morse is really old
it might not even be canon
its what basically created the transmitter account
nocturne cosmos
ahh ok it just says " Audio morse received in dsicord"
slow delta
huh
nocturne cosmos
tho i wouldnt really know how to find the other stuff
slow delta
where does it say that
nocturne cosmos
confusion
slow delta
but hey it has stuff we dont have stored anywhere else
this is why we need one combined archive
nocturne cosmos
alrighty
slow delta
although it's not like the info is going anywhere
charred dust
HellShade what is your profile picture?
slow delta
Ill begin day 3 of archiving all our info. Ill try to include the whole death screen filter and all the old transmissions
And after that that should be it apart from some stream loresauces like cannibal models that dont really hold much value atm
slow delta
im about to finish archiving the older transmissions from 2017
with this we can finally start pieces our puzzle
this must be old af
can someone with dropbox view these https://www.dropbox.com/s/lwvm6etsnubo4ys/5-7-TheIsle-AE-Morse-and-Dondi-VC.rar?dl=0
everything is archived expect for some audio i cant access and the death screen filter
the audio is old morse which i probably have most of it archived as text and the death screen filter is lore sauce like the other ones
sinful hatch
What was site 12 again? Is it just a site or an entire different isle?
I remember that picutre
picture
fresh rivet
it's just a generic chopper
weak condor
So do you guys think were getting that Deino tomorrow or do you think Dondi was teasing us
vast sluice
That shit was fake also this is #isle-lore-theories , probs wanna move to #401465522815893506 if you wanna talk about anything other than lore
echo pulsar
Is it generally agreed upon here that that massive skeleton in the Dev 4 map belonged to a genetically modified creature that kind of turned into an experimental horror story of genetic augmentation/manufacturing?
sinful hatch
Maybe that massive skeleton is the genetic template for the whole experiment.
icy onyx
hmm
icy onyx
What if itās all a conspiracy and itās just a really big dude with some chicken fingers and the bones are a illusion
Like holographic
slow delta
oak pumice
we're in the dino Matrix
echo gazelle
So regarding the Giant Skeleton that has been questioned and how it could have been an Island Walker which triggered seismic activity. What if it wasn't a land creature but something that resides underwater? After Protocol Hades which was the Carnotaurus, 3 injections occured, Diablo, Dryo and Maia, all possible prey of the Carnotaurus. Hades being the first child of Cronus and Rhea, Poseidon was the Second born son. Poseidon was known as a provoker of earthquakes, which would in this case cause seismic activity(Aka Giant Skele) Also the location of it was moved underwater. First protocol Hades, second Poseidon? I feel like this is just rant but anyways, onto another topic, replicating. In order to replicate, an exact copy must be created. This is where I am believing that Nesting is replicating. Once nested, a profile reaches a Phase, live.die.repeat. You die, or they do, in other words, you achieve or they do. Your life is studied, how you survive, behave, react, etc. When the phase has been reached, forced evolution takes place. We are being watched after all. Also the Olympus Transmitter tweeted a Phase 2 Error long ago with the 1.51.1 update being deployed which included the new nesting system thus creating a New Generation (Neo-Gen). Gen 1 Prim was incubated and now gestated. But the Second Phase didn't continue, maybe because B-443 entered? That's all my crazy talk for now. Just something random I thought of.
slow delta
One of the audio files i found yesterday mentioned a phase called poseidon so it may be worth looking into
pine badge
Poseidon could be the water dlc like a hypo or something
solar bridge
ya manda
echo pulsar
Lmao
icy onyx
Yo guys I just had an amazing idea
Image of stomping lands, the isle, beast of Bermuda, primal carnage r all connected somehow
Hereās it
Beast of Bermuda - Dinos survived the K-T event in the Isle
Stomping lands first humans encounter them. And cannibals start evolving
The Isle - the strains are introduced into the fauna
Primal carnage - the humans have a war against Dinos cuz theyāre trying to kill the strains and the normal dinos evolved with the strains thatās why they r so different
Hmmm?!
icy onyx
What if the Mangna rex is a hybrid of Phoenix corporation's Rex an Apollo Engineering's Hypo Rex.
icy onyx
NĢ·ĶĢOĢ¶ĶĢVĢøĢĢAĢøĢĶ.ĢµĶĢ ĢøĢ ĢNĢ·ĢĢEĢµĢĢOĢ¶ĢĢ.Ģ·ĢĶ Ģ“ĶĢMĢøĢĶ AĢøĶĶGĢøĢĶNĢµĶĶAĢµĢĢ.ĢµĢĢ from the transmission
U guys think itās referring Magnatyrannhs Rex
Or another Magna dinosaur
Cuz Neo means new
And the Magna Rex isnāt new
To anyone that plays the game
Could it be something else
Cuz it also couldnāt be Magnaraptor cuz is not new
sinful hatch
I would be up for a Magnatriceratops.
vast sluice
I think it was mentioned at one point that cerato would not be getting any strains, but, idk.
I believe the reason was because it didnt "fit" with what was planned or whatever
limpid patio
it wouldnt be getting a hypo strain i believe
deft glacier
Are there ANY hypo herbs? If so I haven't heard lol
outer dagger
nope
not official ones at least
people have made concept art of hypo herbs though
olive iron
Once mods are back most probably will be something along the lines
icy onyx
sooo, at steam dondi says "untill dinos can grow to them{Hypos]" so creatures will evolve to hypos?
sweet zephyr
that had already been hinted at before.
in long, long ago streams.
it seems they kept the idea.
icy onyx
Hypos are dinos that took steroids
deft glacier
And drugs.
placid harness
I feel like the strain plants might have something to do with it.
sinful hatch
Just a reminder, I am sure most of you know this, but they do not consider Type-M (Magna) a strain for some reason. So if it is not a strain, as in Hyper, Tisso or Neuro, then it could qualify for herbs as well.
foggy mango
Well as far as I know
Magnas are kinda human made
I mean, as manufactured as a next step in evolution as humans see them
Basically pulling a Dr. Henry Wu and upgrading a T-Rex into an I-Rex. In this case M-Rex
So it kinda makes sense you can't evolve / mutate into them
Unlike Hypos for example
dense cradle
thought everything on the island was man made
foggy mango
They are
But ummm
How do I explain it
Humans clone a Rex
But they are like
Well if evolution had the time
It would be bigger and stronger
With even bigger bite force
So they just kinda make one like that
And that is the Magna Rex
rare summit
As I understand it, a magna is formed through natural processes, or at the very least mostly natural, and that the other strains are more of a forced evolution
foggy mango
That could be the case as well
supple dome
Just want to point out something simple that no one really has spoken about but the endocrine system is what regulates hormones and growth.
Sooo just a thought but these hypo creatures aren't man made.
But are normal dinosaurs born with a mutation in their genes that causes their endocrine system to go into hyper drive so to speak.
The drastic anatomy changes you see are due to something else though.
Maybe another gene mutation, one that every creature has buy some just don't have it activated and so never become said creatures.
Much like the x gene in the x men universe it exists in almost everyone but just isn't active like it is in these few individuals.
And as for the type-M.
I am of the belief that those creatures are entirely manmade as they seem to be literal hybrids.
Take the magna raptor for example.
So the the sensory pits of a viper and the scales and some other mutations from the komodo dragon/monitor lizards.
For the other two strains I have no clue, but something tells me that the tissoplastic creatures aren't made either.
But are the result of the dinosaurs consuming contaminated food
Such as reaper flesh
Or something that carries the strain
Hell it may even be a virus
tribal trench
@supple dome not to be an ass or anything but that's been brought up before and it's generally known
The endocrine part atleast
tribal trench
By saying, and I quote, "just want to point out something simple that no one has really spoken about"
All I was saying was its been discussed before
And likely true
supple dome
And no one has thought about them just being normal creatures
well they may have but they haven't voiced it
tribal trench
I was only pointing out people have talked about it before.
Anyway I don't wanna get in an argument (?) cause I'm gonna sleep now, so maybe we can continue this some other time.
supple dome
and as ive said i dont care, people have pointed out the magna rex is the hyper rex's main contender more than 5000 times but hey who am i to point that out
now unless you're going to contribute id suggest going to bed, bye bye now~
honest shadow
So, my big question is how is AE going to contain the Aquatics? I have a few theories and one of them being a proximity tag that prevents them from going out to open sea, but who knows? Magna, Hypo...you keep them. All terrestrial dinosaurs are weak when swimming. š
oak pumice
proximity chip implants that electrocute the thing or blow it up when it goes out to sea too far
re: suicide squad
honest shadow
Deep Blue Sea. XD
icy onyx
The biggest question is what time period is the isle set in. There are modern structures all over the place so it's safe to assume that there are humans in the world and that the island with dinosaurs is monitored. But what if some dinosaurs, particularly the aquatic and flying dinosaurs, where to travel to another continent? One with humans and civilization.
echo gazelle
Has anyone found anything significant about the Blue AE screen yet? Besides the possible PC poster. Also how many newer things were discovered since Tater's site?
ebon basalt
Here's a link to some old audio code that I don't think ever got posted to Tater's site. https://www.dropbox.com/s/gp9b8f7gov1ojgf/The Stream.mp3?dl=0
The few bits of morse code translate to "Beware the Sons and Gods of Men" and "It has been found". A large portion of the audio is probably code, but I haven't had the time to figure it out.
icy onyx
the dilo is part komodo https://youtu.be/X1_FxaOg1Go
slow delta
Slam thats very interesting
icy onyx
Does anyone have some good Isle qoutes
wicked stone
āRoaaaaar.ā -T-Rex
paper herald
Lmao
icy onyx
"Fuck off yah bugger" - Trex to utah
next leaf
lol
bronze pike
"Bork bork" - Terreance the utah
gilded obsidian
friendly reminder that this channel is #isle-lore-theories š
eager chasm
icy onyx
š
sinful hatch
@supple dome nice summary there with the strains. tks.
So, Isle-V3 = Region 3, correct? Have we ever seen (and I might have missed) AE-001?
Because for some odd reason I thought at some point that V3 was AE-001.
distant ocean
"CLOACA CRASH" - Pachy to taco 2019
astral summit
i have a idea obout why dondie said that you dont grow into hypos, i think that there waiting for humans to be added in until they start addinghypos since the humans are the resons for the hypo or magnas, there created by the humans. so when you spawn in as a hypo youll be released from like a chamber or even break out of a cryo pod thing.
if that makes sense
clear fable
It could also be something you get from an event
Like by eating a special plant (pretty sure I saw arts about this idea)
astral summit
Yea emily step drew it out
But think about it. You cant grow from it. Somthing that has already grown and ready to go. Maybe the human faction on the island created the hypos, or maybe the magnas.i forgot those things were they grow in. It was in the primal carnahe trailer with the rex inside.
shrugs
muted lion
mercs no, tribals maybe
feral pond
Youāll want to ask in #401464048610312195 , this channel is for lore and theories only.
kindred pagoda
ooh my bad, didnt realise what channel i was in š
sinful hatch
So, ok. So for growth theory into Strains. Last clip about this Dondi let it slip we grow into them, and quickly after that he struck it down as we will do something to become them.
That seemed to be more of a daily routine conversation and Dondi just re-aligning expectations. So I am going to stand on grounds that anything is possible.
My theory on Strains is that you do grow into them, but it requires some outside factor to trigger a strain. I do not treat Magnas the same as Neuro, Tisso or Hyper. So maybe given enough time an animal could "naturally" grow into a Magna.
Also, the work in progress (WIP) on the character screen. It has 6 slots on the double helix / DNA. My best guess is that you would need to fill those to trigger a strain.
Alternatively, perhaps this is an overarching skill set that we unlock for future play sessions giving players a slight edge over new players, such as tooth, spikes, skin upgrades that could make you better at certain situations.
Or maybe its a little of both scenarios, where you get a certain set of bonuses until you make a combination and trigger a strain.
This is all speculation of course.
One thing that could disappoint me is if we unlock a strain and we just spawn as a strain elsewhere (as if a new character was chosen). I maintain I am sure the game will positively surprise me, but I do expect to grow from my dino into a strain somehow.
quiet ore
If I'm not mistaken, those 6 DNA bars are for some sort of mutation mechanic
Not in the sense of strains, but for small effects which will change your dinosaur in a smaller way then a strain.
muted lion
could be affinity or mutant-plants related
quiet ore
Albino and cannibalism were two ideas of such a concept.
I feel the plants definitely tie in.
nocturne cosmos
If you are talking about the screen where you see ya growth that's been said it's for affinity
fresh rivet
I wonder, since the September lore tease there were shown tribal paintings showcasing what i believe would be hypo rex and hypo spino, the tribals did revere these creatures, so probably in the future there could be shrines dedicated to the strains, wether it being to the humans (colossus, echidna and reaper) or to the strains themselves (hyper, neuro and tisso), and to be able to become a strain, you'd have to meet certain requirements and go to the respective shrine to "evolve". Just a thought I had in mind due to Dondi before talking about sacrifices and strains once in a stream. Just a thought from the back of my head
sinful hatch
I find that hypothesis interesting tbh
Dondi always made it clear that it will be hard to become one.
which makes perfect sense to kind trigger on a cross faction
lethal mica
I saw this on one of dondi's streams, I don't know if it will go in game but it's there I guess
outer dagger
that's the tsl rex
lethal mica
Ah
tiny carbon
My theory on "grow into them" is that the change isn't instant like spawning in progression used to be. Basically, you trigger the event somehow to become one of the strains, and then you slowly "grow into" the strain. You transition to it slowly, not just some instantaneous jump.
This idea also has the fruit of this: The creature is slowly getting more and more powerful as it grows into it's final stages as a strain. But, the mutations would start to show before it becomes too much of a threat. So, you're a carno and you see a Utah in the distance that's starting to grow the "crocodile scales" typical of the hypos and notice the extra toe starting to grow. It's not a full hypo yet, but it will be. Now you have an incentive to kill it, so that it doesn't come back to kill you, and since it isn't full strength, it'll be easy compared to trying to take on a full one. This theory also deals with too many of them running around, as with this system, the longer they have to "grow" into them, the more at risk they are of being targeted, and the harder it'll be for them to actually get to the full stage, much like it currently is for a sub rex that's spotted by an adult trike for instance.
hasty cliff
My theory on "grow into them" is with a few of the hints and features that have been dropped like DNA and affinity (like u will be rewarded for playing ur dino to its specified role) is say the hypo-carno must hunt/kill X creature in order to progress to hypo or hunt X creature for other strains. i hope this makes sense
bronze pike
just wondering is it basically accepted that the isle's lore points towards being like Jurassic Park minus the theme park?
ember flame
yah
sinful hatch
@bronze pike yes, I believe something along that line.
@tiny carbon that would be cool, I wonder if technically is possible? But I think triggering the mutation will be hard, not fully develop. The reason why I believe a strain is pretty much set is because it needs to constantly feed, so it would be pretty hard to even find players to sustain you into ultimate form.
On the other hand, your proposed scenario does make up for some potential balancing, like you have a chance to kill it before its full power.
@hasty cliff this roles back to the character screen, we discussed this a little before these lines, but one think is clear, we will not trigger strain by ourselves or just playing it "correctly" (it may factor in the process however). I am pretty sure outside factor would be required.
maybe a tribal needs to invade a merc base, grab whatever is there, capture a compatible adult dino and do a ritual for its transcendence into a strain. Maybe they wont even chose which one, might be a random one of the 3. Now I am just tossing an idea around and its dangerously close to gameplay instead of lore, but it would be a good template I think... because having it cross factions would make it really hard for the "stars to align" and a strain dino show up, because its no longer in a specific faction's influence.
The motives NOT to do it could be: The mercs would try to stop this for sure, Tribals cant be sure if the dino player wont slay them all (even if low food value) and other dinos might not like to have it roaming around.
However, for the player to be a strain, and if he/she cooperates with tribals, they its a win for that player and tribals alike, which could drive
them for the said process
The Isle is constantly tossing at us a risk/reward and very situational.
fossil lily
Im just sitting here waiting for code
Even though when I decoded the entire Binary on the sidebar during the loading screen and it was painful. I want to do it again.
sinful hatch
lol, I am glad you are up for it.
slow delta
I share the same sentiment with Buder
doing the menu screen light morse was a pain but it was so fullfilling
i still need to add the finishing touches to the archive
its like 90% done
and then we can start connecting everything easier
little cedar
I'm sorry to interrupt, but is the Matriarch still a thing?
sinful hatch
I believe so
upper rock
last nebula
@upper rock This isn't really the right channel or discord to be asking about those servers in
You'd probably want to ask around in their server's discord instead
last nebula
It's fine. This channel is for discussion of the game's lore
You'd want #401464048610312195 more likely
unkempt nacelle
Mabie when humans developed time travel they took dinosaurs of there time zone and put them on the isle to observe how they behave or evolve/mutate to suite the change in environment but malfunction happened and the apex mutations went out of control and wiped almost all the human race
Thus what happened to humans
unkempt nacelle
Am I thinking too much of Terra nova?
icy onyx
not the right channel #401464048610312195
sinful hatch
There are incredible issues that arise from time traveling in narratives, wherever these show up the story becomes clunky and it becomes increasingly difficult for a writer to keep track of all potential outcomes that could impact a narrative moving forward.
We have not seen anything that supports time traveling at this time (which I prefer not to be part of the narrative).
There was one bit of weird information however, someone found a news paper on one of the human bases, which mentioned Titanic's events when it sunk. That part was very weird, but could have been just an asset they got and didn't really work on for The Isle.
I am old enough that I actually had access to a 486 personal computer, the sounds on the main screen, even the "screen booting" sound seem to be from PCs around that time. So I would say its either ~1995 to ~2005 (still could see some old PCs on businesses here) range.
The story shines the most to me when it is dealing with scientific achievement rather than some gimmick that resorted to time travel. Again, nothing right now suggests that to be a possibility.
With this said however, it is possible that The Isle happens across a very large time frame, considering dinos actually grow into adults, and the mention of the "Thousand Lives contract".
ember flame
yah
oak pumice
Thousand Lives contract is an allusion to the Replicator? š
also imagine travelling back in time to bring a dinosaur back to the present with you, but the rex specimen you bring back just so happens to be Sue and now you've dun' rewrote all of paleontological history
whoops
dense cradle
thousand life contract could be about the tribals having a contract with the Replicator to allow them to be reborn after dying but in return must sacrifice stuff to the replicator
tribals/cannibals
sinful hatch
@oak pumice yes, that would be one example.
slow delta
A thought just came to mind. I remember when people were speculating on the origins of strains they would mention that it has to be related to a virus strain because of the word. But strain can also mean pressure. How do you force evolution to go faster? By applying evolutionary pressure on the animals or as you might say - evolutionary strain.
leaden nexus
That's a good point, the reason why we're being reborn as dinosaurs is to force evolution out of them, but for what reason?
dense cradle
the affinity system iirc o
tiny carbon
It's a system that's supposed to reward you for behaving a certain way. Nothings concrete here these are only examoles, but something like a Utah who constantly group and eat other utahs. You'd get negative affinity for killing your group mates, and it would eventually come to give you something like debuffs to prevent you from doing it. Go to far into negative affinity and you'll wish you hadn't, essentially. If I'm not mistaken, negative affinity was also talked about going with you to your next dinosaur, making you reluctant to gain any. Behaving and such is supposed to give you positive affinity, which could be used as a sort of perk or buff system, or just give you unique patterns for skins, things like that.
All examples, nothing concrete in there
icy onyx
yo i think they should add in a sleeping animation
dense cradle
yeah wrong channel my guy @icy onyx
ionic tangle
im thinking...those little tiles on the left that light up when you hover over them, but they actually dont do anything, could be what will allow us to go to the strains
in a recent stream, dondi did say that you will grow into the strains...so maybe once you fill a tiles (somehow) you will get stronger and stronger leading to a strain at some point depending on something unknown atm
fringe flame
What if you have to go through multiple life cycles to even unlock the strain then you have to get the exact muts to grow into theme
tiny carbon
Honestly that sounds plausible and just difficult enough for the devs to think of
fringe flame
It took me .5 seconds to think of it lol
ancient spindle
viscid dome
yeah those are for affinity, Binnsy
severe lark
^
charred dust
I say it's going to be a really small chance of you getting a strain when you grow to adult
dense cradle
imagine growing 7 hours to be a rex.. only to find out when you press grow you have become a hypo and are doomed to starve to death
bad idea imo
charred dust
Could be fun if you ask me
They could increase their food to 30 mins and not 10
30 is still small
60 mins feels small
dense cradle
or they could leave hypos they way they're, doomed to starve
charred dust
Spends 50 hours to play hypo for 20 minutes
dense cradle
but allow players to much a choice to be hypo or not, and if you choose to be a hypo you have a what? 0.6% chance of being one, something small like that
tribal trench
First this isn't a theory for lore since you're just saying Its random and second that's a super shit idea
Making it random would not be fun
I'm sure they have better ideas.
slow delta
Yeah if we could purge the chat back to relevancy that'd be great
wooden lily
@charred dust You're missing the point with hypos. All of them are absurdly fast and can kill a shant in three or four bites. If someone wants to play hypo, then it's his choice to play an op creature for a moment of time.
charred dust
Wait let me think what I was talking about hypos yesterday
They could make a different mechanic for hypos to eat. If they eat more than one body before the first one itās digested, it can really mess up their methabolism or stuff like that. I mean, this thing with hypos really needs to be thought about really careful
last nebula
@orchid umbra This channel is for actual discussion of ingame lore/story. Take the memes to a different Discord.
ionic tangle
@charred dust https://youtu.be/IjKI2E4Gwic?t=356
you will need to grow into the hypos, confirmed.
ionic tangle
If you go along that basis, what is the point in theories
things can change yes, when a dev says something like that, there is an insanely low chance of it changing
tiny carbon
Well, I mean, they've said a lot of things that have ended up changing. Nothing is ever concrete unless they know for sure that they can, and they want, to do something.
sinful hatch
They are being more careful with community expectations. I would stay things are shapping up nicely.
But nothing is set in stone.
So, yesterday on Dondi's stream there was talk to utility paths (I imagine vehicle roads) and paddocks (I assume the fences surrouding certain areas.
)
so now we begin to have a bit more fleshed out the containment areas.
I got really nostalgic on this. I think The Isle is going for something in between Jurassic Park and Lost World (minus the theme park, amem to that).
the piece that is hard to place are the tribals
I find that we know very little of them now days, we need a bit more background on them specifically.
on V3 there seemed to be very old "temple" blocks, at least it seemed so. I wonder how the Tribals even let the modern humans construct anything there.
ruby shale
Just some stuff that popped into my head (really new to the Isle so be gentle)
From what I have gathered The Isle and Primal Carnage take place in the exact same universe.
The cannibals may be an attempt the corps made to try and create a creature that could kill the already rampaging dinos, and subsequently failed to contain, resulting in their escape and possible slaughter of the scientists that were working on the project.
The few humans that are on The Isle are the remnants of the mercenaries sent in to contain the beasts, eventually becoming the last surviving humans on the isle
The Hypo dinos are not just a creature that they whipped up as a standalone, but that all dinos have a certain gene in their DNA that will eventually evolve and cause the creatures to "mutate" into these horrifying beasts. Essentially, we are watching these creatures naturally develop from a lab rat to planet Earths most deadly and destructive Apex Predator.
And I theorize that the "king of the monsters" sized skeleton at the bottom of the lake is the true final stage of evolution, which I will refer to as "The Apex Chain", in that eventually (of course this is just being in universe and probably will never be implemented in game) every single dinosaur, having the Apex Chain in their DNA, will grow and evolve into Godzilla sized monsters capable of destroying the entire planet, if they could find enough food to survive, meaning they would have to at least consume another Apex just to live for a single day, which is likely why the Apex at the bottom of the lake died.
slow delta
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ruby shale
Its a lot to read but that is my genuine theory behind the Hypos and what may lie for the future of the (in game) universe of The Isle.
hallow bone
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/537403477916385314/537404364801966100/unknown.png?width=961&height=387
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/537403477916385314/537404451045244965/unknown.png
Underwater facility? Maybe that is what created the huge monster that died next to it?
ember flame
That looks more like a tribal foundation to me
icy onyx
Thats because it is
astral summit
did we all forget about elders? maybe you become a elder and you need to do sotmhing ss a elder to grow into hypos
ruby shale
I honestly think they're hiding the foundation in the water to tease something that is to come
sinful hatch
it all sounds plausable @ruby shale, its a good summary, and a version that more or less touches on the subjects we discussed these past few weeks.
ruby shale
For what? My Apex Chain Theory?
left ocean
I remember those bones and the tribal structure were on the old V3 map
sinful hatch
@ruby shale yup
ruby shale
Ah, well thanks
nova viper
@left ocean wasn't under water though was it?
icy onyx
I'll post this here as well
I don't know what this is but it happened
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylhqjNH_y7Q Time stamp of 20:00
echo gazelle
The Thousand Live contract, don't know it's origin, might be something about Apollo making some form of deal with an individual before transferrring their concioucness into the mind of a Dinosaur.
placid harness
I really wonder if this is some sort of a matrix-esque scenario. There seems to be at least a modicum of benefit that Apollo gains from someone living and dying 1000 lives. Obviously if it is something you as the profile owe it is at least of interest to them. The question is though: what is worth 1000 lives?
small heath
I watched the video and it was a bit random when he got the message
placid harness
Rather, maybe the question is what is it you would give 1000 lives for?
small heath
Maybe it's about the hyper stuff
echo gazelle
That message is triggered when you walk somewhere around the swamp. But the question is why there? Or are there anymore around the map? Also what Toa said, what is worth 1000 lives?
If it were a Matrix, I wouldn't understand why include morse codes. I believe, since Dondi is a fan of JP(Jurassic Park), that every visitor's arrival upon gateway has an ID (Aka Profile) and rather than viewing Dinosaurs as a person at a park, you can transfer your mind into a Dinosaur, also a binary translated to "Every Island Visitor must be wearing ID tag at all gateways...tracking error". So basically Apollo offers a deal to each visitor, for studies and future progression they must sign a thousand live contract to live, breath and behave like a Dinosaur, if they fail, they are banished to Tartarus with their concious under their control. (Aka You are being controlled. Conditioned. Etc etc which is what a morse code translated to). Anyways, Mercenaries are hired to retrieve Apollos plans for their own (maybe Pheonix gaining back what was theirs), Tribals lived on these lands long before The Isle began so they will be key to helping the profile find out how and why of the isle, which explains why maybe tribals can tame them and not mercs because tribals know that everything on the island are not real. In the end, the strains were reached by players who turned to worship the replicator, who is the big question ontop of everything. I have a lot to say but can't quite explain it well, pieces are still missing. But that is my look on it, since it's a horror, gritty game, every visitor is trapped in an endless loop under AE's control (The end is never the end is never the end) and their only way out could possiby just be completing the contract.
oak pumice
"That message is triggered when you walk somewhere around the swamp."
on which map?
echo gazelle
V3
hallow elk
Was the radio tower morse code ever translated?
placid harness
I think an excerpt from hotel california describes our potential situation pretty clearly.
"You can check any time you'd like but you can never leave"
Something of that caliber, anyways.
And wasn't there supposed to be something like hotels or places for people to stay? I saw something similar on a stream showcasing an official map.
Maybe those were meant for employees.
echo pulsar
So uhhhh... does this have anything to do with the morse code/binary stuff that emanates from buildings around radio towers?
hallow elk
If there's morse code and you can also hear camera shutters does that mean there's still human activity on the island?
regal sundial
It's not triggered at the swamp it's something manually inputted by a dev as a sort of targetted announcement to one person
Dondi showed it off a while ago in stream putting something like "Those who watch are also watched"
hallow elk
I love when devs f*** with people
regal sundial
Also sent niv one in a recent stream saying something along the lines of "Something wicked comes your way Nivision"
hallow elk
Anyone knows what the morse code at the tower says? Or used to say?
zealous sage
judging from what i'm reading here, i'm about 50% sure that the isle is purgatory.
echo gazelle
Hm, it's just being tested then but will be triggered in a different way in the future perhaps.
The tower morse on V3 can be found in the Docs, check the pinned messages. But it basically says some stuff such as, Gateway Status Check Error, Replication in progress, check fifteenth cycle, I cannot choose favorites, if you can hear this phase 1 has started, etc.
echo gazelle
The second one G2-PCH is Gen 2 Pachy
cinder hound
No idea what the numbers are supposed to mean.
echo gazelle
Yeah same here, where is that? What set it off?
grizzled dune
Maybe the 119... is somone's ID?
icy onyx
Plot twist: its jaffad's steam ID
echo gazelle
Could be, but I know all IDs start with 756 and then 119