if they were concrete in-universe references, that means the scientists went out of their way to make the designs that looked like that. I would't think mad scientists hellbent on creating the perfect organism would have the capacity of humoring themselves with pop culture references
#isle-lore-theories
placid harness
If anything its not "scientists made this to look like the hulk". If anything, its more like neuro spino took some creative inspiration from a xeno queen.
However, if you want a real reference to explore, lets take a step back in time in #announcements
The references to "The Inferno", or Dante's Inferno and the pictures of that gateway looking thing.
It had an iteration of a translation of a quote from the story, something along the lines of "abandon all hope, ye who enter"
Of course this was a caption in the discord post so I wouldn't delve too deep into it, other than to suggest this -
this is "gateway", obviously. The one we have seen mentioned in the ARG tweets with mysterious context.
This translation in The Inferno was an inscription on the literal gate to hell.
Or Tartarus, maybe.
edgy pike
Maybe references an entrance to the volcano?
sinful hatch
I missed that, thanks from bringing into perspective. Yes, there is mention of Tartarus.
placid harness
So I'm going to go on a limb and say Gateway can definitively be the entrance to the Tartarus figure / location we have heard about.
edgy pike
Is Tartarus confirmed to be on an island? If not, it could be a volcanic/underground base?
I think it is an island though
slow delta
tartarus is the deepest part of the underworld
a hellish prison
and yes
the titans were held there
could tartarus be a planet and the titans its many moons?
meager birch
So its probably where the hypo's and other strains are held before tested
slow delta
doubt it
meager birch
A planet wouldn't have a gate
meager birch
Also
edgy pike
Putting gigantic, potentially dangerous genetically engineered monsters underground next to a volcano saves money on fences
slow delta
when it comes to all this lore stuff we have to assume some stuff to start building up our theories
cause the confirmed stuff is so scarce
meager birch
A star gate tho?
slow delta
we'd have nothing otherwise
meager birch
Alright riddle me this
slow delta
just a joke, the alien theory is fun and all but would be too much of a hassle
meager birch
It's right there in the name .-.
placid harness
Whose Isle is it?
slow delta
ae's?
meager birch
Apollo's
placid harness
Was it really theirs?
slow delta
idea
placid harness
Lets think more proverbial for a second.
slow delta
let's gather all the mythological references
maybe we can make a puzzle
we got apollo, olympus, tartarus
what else
meager birch
This is going in two very different directions...
placid harness
What if all the mythological references are meant to be taken literally.
slow delta
what if they are clues
placid harness
Seriously, what if The Isle was actually the epicenter of some real primordial Greek havoc.
placid harness
Like what if these "Titans" actually existed long ago. We have the skeleton of one, don't we?
meager birch
Well
That could be alot of thints
Things*
Could just be decorational
Could be a dead creature
Could be a hypo killed and eaten to the bone
slow delta
found another mythological reference
placid harness
Strains could have been derived from the power of literal godlike beings.
slow delta
one of the utah loading screens mentions hades
placid harness
That would be the most interesting route to me
slow delta
the titans are the dinos
and tartarus is the island holding them in place
ae in its whole is the underworld
meager birch
What Titans would derive emp emitting dinosaurs that control minds and are skinny as fuck
slow delta
and tartarus its deepest prison
meager birch
We know tarturus is a prison we just don't know what for exactly
meager birch
If you really wanna go down that route
slow delta
seems like its worth it
meager birch
Could the head of each strain be Titans themselves
slow delta
could be
placid harness
There could be literal godlike beings who are or were at the very top of the biological pyramid as the apex lifeform which, when harvested, or perhaps even "gifted" to humans / animals / plants, augmented them with what we know as the strains.
That sounds like a perfectly good reason to worship something.
slow delta
that kinda seems like an ark route
i think the devs would avoid that no?
metaphors seem more likely imo
placid harness
Perhaps
meager birch
That's what I've been saying .-.
placid harness
Who knows. It seems the replicator has convinced the islands inhabitants one thing. It is God.
slow delta
meager birch
When did this come up?
placid harness
Or maybe you could go on a limb and say some alien fuckboys crashed on earth and strains came from them, and now humans have made their own attempt to replicate the strains with the type-M specimens.
slow delta
i think we should focus on theorising on the human aspect of the lore
slow delta
the dinos could have a billion origins
and the strains too
but there's so much stuff humans can do
meager birch
The strains
meager birch
Are from genetic engineering...
meager birch
Well from the pictures if failed experiments being killed and dissected
placid harness
(the fanart?)
meager birch
Yea
slow delta
some people have mentioned magna evolving naturally as a response to hypers but then its mentioned magnas were in atriums which means they were manmade
meager birch
Tapwings a dev so we can't rule it out
slow delta
true but he wasnt when those were drawn right?
placid harness
Humans unquestionably are trying to interfere in whatever processes are at work here.
meager birch
Ok
Let's say
The strains ARENT man mare
Made*
Then what are they and how were they made
placid harness
They are actual demons from tartarus
Maybe that's how you become them? A bit of an Odyssey to Tartarus and you come back as a strain or something.
slow delta
they are putting human conciousnesses in dinosaur bodies, having them kill each other and live multiple lives over and over. This must have a goal. And to go to such extreme lengths, the goal must be extremely important. I think this could be an attempt at immortality. Think about it, moving someone's mind into a new body and having it accumulate experiences where a super computer uses that information. Doesn't it sound like people could move their conciousnesses into other human bodies as well?
meager birch
Maybe a place for experimentation
You might not be too far off
Uh no
Why would you put a person in a creature with a quarter of the person's life span at best
For immortality
placid harness
Mastering power such as this would have so many benefits.
slow delta
because the body dies, but not the mind
meager birch
Also super computers can't do that
placid harness
Who can say for sure there is just one motive?
Immortality could be a very big one.
meager birch
It would just be AI that's pretty similar to you
slow delta
don't the transmissions confirm conciousness transfer
meager birch
No
slow delta
and multiple generations
placid harness
But dinosaurs live and die within days (if we are to take game mechanics into account)
slow delta
After the fifteenth cycle their stories compiled into an archive they handed down through the generations. As their mental plateau deteriorated advanced cognitive functions, only the most basic and violent ideologies remained.
meager birch
Where's that from
meager birch
Only the most basic and violent
slow delta
we should actually archive all the transmissions
meager birch
Don't you think that's referencing cannibals
slow delta
and try to reorganise them
meager birch
Or tribals
slow delta
probably
meager birch
Thenn
slow delta
you know
placid harness
"only the most basic and violent ideologies remained."
placid harness
There seems to be some drawbacks to living and dying so much.
meager birch
Your wink might deter them from giving us clues .e.
slow delta
if only dinosauriac could give us one
slow delta
i would assume it would take a toll on your psyche
placid harness
Wasn't it said a cycle such as that could only happen for so long before things got "weird"? Maybe this weirdness is some sort of phenomenon between life and death they are investigating.
slow delta
even if your mind stays intact, it may affect you psychologically
meager birch
YOU CANT UPLOAD A CONCIOUS
slow delta
says who?
placid harness
the AE rats
meager birch
EVERY SCIENTIST EVER
placid harness
don't believe him
meager birch
Tell me
slow delta
the isle lore already had dinos made by 2015
and we dont know the current year in universe
meager birch
Via genetic engineering
slow delta
could be 2050 by now
slow delta
hmm
meager birch
If I uploaded your concious into a pc
slow delta
well it'd be a copy so no
meager birch
It wouldnt be you
slow delta
but what if you transferred it
placid harness
Funny thing is, dinosaurs in the isle, with gameplay mechanics in consideration, effectively are immortal.
meager birch
It would be a pretty good AI
slow delta
WAIT
meager birch
You can't transfer minds..
slow delta
could the in game AI
be actual AI in dino bodies
like how playable dinos are humans in dino bodies?
meager birch
No
placid harness
psittacosaurus spyware
slow delta
everything in the brain is electrical signals
placid harness
I don't see why they couldn't transfer an AI consciousness into a biological body
If they can literally do vice versa
meager birch
Cause time
placid harness
Except with a human mind
slow delta
this is sword art online alicization territory
meager birch
Biology
slow delta
biology like weather controlling spinos?
meager birch
That's emp
slow delta
dont limit your vision
meager birch
That's not wheather control
placid harness
it has an EMP
meager birch
Thats an emp effecting a wheather dome
placid harness
i t h a s a n e m p
meager birch
Yeah what do electric eels have?
Electricity
What's an employee?
Emp*?
Auto correct god damn you
slow delta
electromagnetic signals
meager birch
Yea
placid harness
Also... the weather dome thing was just a theory.
slow delta
hard for a living thing to generate such powerful magnetic signals
meager birch
A more likely theory than wheather control straight uo
slow delta
true
meager birch
Straight up*
meager birch
Cause it's highly intellegent
placid harness
Allegedly
meager birch
No that's confirmed
placid harness
I meant what I said, not the intelligence.
meager birch
That nuerotenics are highly intellegent
Well still
A wheather dome makes more sense
placid harness
Intelligence is nothing without the capability to do so.
meager birch
It has the capability to do so
Let's say
It's not the emp
Nueros have mind control ish capabilities
If someone was operating the dome
Don't you think the nuero might be able to manipulate them?
meager birch
Lemme go in the wiki one sec
feral pond
The wiki is not a viable source
meager birch
.e.
is the 2nd known mutant strain within the isle as this strain will give the holotype dinosaur a hyper increase intelligence. This is the only strain that is currently planned out that allows a dinosaur to communicate with other species–including the other two factions.
Found this on there .e.
placid harness
I do remember something about Neuros communicating with other species.
meager birch
Yea
feral pond
I’d be careful with using the wiki due to its outdated information and unofficial organization
placid harness
Yeah both wikis are trash.
meager birch
But that I remember specifically
slow delta
im still torn on the mythological references
there must be more clues inside what we know
meager birch
Look
They're codenames
Tarturus is a housing facility for strains and other shit from the name
Olympus is probably a base of operations or something similar
slow delta
In Greek mythology, Tartarus (/ˈtɑːrtərəs/; Ancient Greek: Τάρταρος, Tartaros)[1] is the deep abyss that is used as a dungeon of torment and suffering for the wicked and as the prison for the Titans. Tartarus is the place where, according to Plato's Gorgias (c. 400 BC), souls are judged after death and where the wicked received divine punishment. Like other primal entities (such as the Earth, Night and Time), Tartarus is also considered to be a primordial force or deity.
slow delta
what if
we disregard the titan part
and focus on the wicked
what if tartarus is the place where the generations turned violent
because of all the suffering
or rather where they were sent after they turned violent
meager birch
Who turned violent? The already violent cannibals and tribals?
slow delta
who said they were already violent though
As their mental plateau deteriorated advanced cognitive functions, only the most basic and violent ideologies remained.
slow delta
they slowly turned violent
slow delta
yeah they werent always violent
but after they turned violent maybe they were sent to tartarus
to contain them
meager birch
Probably not
Tarturus wouldn't be used for cannibals not considered a major threat
Also if you wanna go with the generations thing
Try strain experimentation
earnest glade
Just read through all of the stuff you guys have been saying, and as interesting as the alien idea is, I'm pretty sure it's not haha. However, I think mythology has a huge role to play in the lore of the isle. I came up with a couple of ideas a while back that got a good response, notably by Dondi himself. Maybe we were close to something with the whole mythology idea
Hold up let me get a screenshot of it
meager birch
Roger that
earnest glade
Maybe we can use what I wrote previously to springboard off of
earnest glade
Well I'm pretty sure it isn't from what we can see already. There's nothing pointing toward anything alien or extra-terrestrial
Ok so
That's the gibberish I came up with
And this was the response I got
meager birch
the tarturus part is kinda what i was sayin
earnest glade
So club that together with the image that Tap painted up of that gate, I reckon that could be the gate to Tartarus
meager birch
About how thats where they experimented and made the strains
earnest glade
Yeah it is
meager birch
And the being could be the replicator
earnest glade
We had the same idea haha
meager birch
Hell yea xD
earnest glade
I think Hellshade had a similar idea too
And a couple of others, but I think this idea holds the most credence to it
meager birch
yea
also the whole 12 gods and 12 sites thing makes sense
I don't think its straight up gods
Just references and codenames makes the most sense to me
earnest glade
But that makes me question things now. What if these twelve stations aren't stations at all, but are sites that are used to house or create creatures
or at least where the creatures are made and then released
earnest glade
Exactly
meager birch
Each site is in reference to a greek god
Poseidon would be the aquarium
zues nuero maybe
earnest glade
Nah Zeus would probably be for Hyper strains
placid harness
Well lets see, Hades was a codename given to H-Carno, right?
meager birch
Yea
earnest glade
Maybe the strains have codenames. We know from previous knowledge that there were things like Hades and Throne breaker
meager birch
Yea
earnest glade
Toa's on the same wavelength haha
placid harness
I feel the vibe
meager birch
ye we seem to all be on the same page now xD
earnest glade
Maybe the strains are named after the gods
meager birch
Hmmm
Maybe each successful attempt at a strain
Is named after a god
Since it seems to be very rare it does succeed
earnest glade
Which could also mean that Tartarus may not be a place, but a person or a creature
BBut that might be a stretch
meager birch
just a bit xD
earnest glade
Tartarus is sometimes referenced as a god
meager birch
A primordial being
meager birch
Tarturus was a prison for the titans
placid harness
I don't think its unreasonable that Tartarus is a location, but it most certainly is thing that can be at the very least, accessed somehow.
meager birch
Yea
So if we're keeping with the strains equal gods codename
Would human strain's be considered the titans?
placid harness
If you scroll up you might see my short little analysis with the reference to The Inferno and Gateway.
meager birch
there were 3 titans correct?
earnest glade
More than that
meager birch
Hmm
meager birch
12 original titans yea
one for each god
Tartarus. In Greek mythology, Tartarus was both a primordial deity that existed before the Olympians, as well as a name to describe a region of the Underworld. As a god, he was third in rank after Chaos and Gaea, preceding Eros.
placid harness
There could be titan-like creatures locked up in the Tartarus site. Who knows.
Maybe its one of those big rib boys.
meager birch
My thought is
earnest glade
Could well be
meager birch
The strains they couldn't contain and test were put into if not made in tarturus
Would make sense right?
Or each site is a containment for a "Titan"
earnest glade
Maybe they extract pieces or parts of DNA from the big rib boi and use that material to create strains or dinosaurs themselves
Maybe it's some kind of catalyst
meager birch
Well what is the big rib boi
earnest glade
We don't know
earnest glade
But maybe AE can harvest something from the bones
placid harness
Lets assume Gateway is the entrance to Tartarus. Let's assume for a second that the gate picture with the soldier in front of it is Gateway. Is there only one entrance to Tartarus? Was the big sailed rib boy something that escaped? Is that why there are basically canyons on V3?
meager birch
Well if it did escape and died
placid harness
As of now, the big rib boy is sitting in a trench in the lake next to sunken ruins.
earnest glade
I wouldn't say it escaped, I'd say it was there before anything got to this island
meager birch
That would have been either hundreds of thousands of years ago
hasty latch
You know. Canyons can simply exist.
meager birch
or eaten clean
placid harness
meager birch
.e.
placid harness
So here are the sunken ruins. You can faintly see the ribs in the distance.
earnest glade
So maybe it's like a skull island kinda dealio?
supple dome
collosus isnt anywhere near that big
meager birch
Its pretty fuckin close
supple dome
its roughly the size of a hypo rex
hasty latch
Perhaps were all over thinking this.
supple dome
yes
meager birch
Way fuckin bigger
hasty latch
It's might be simply for decoration?
supple dome
go look at the actual concept art ye normie
placid harness
Colossus being the size of hypo rex is from fanart IIRC
supple dome
and official
hasty latch
The colossus almost looks a little smaller.
supple dome
and notice how i said roughly
placid harness
As far as I know we have no metrics as to the size of Colossus.
hasty latch
Simply concepts.
meager birch
The art where its battling a hypo rex is fan art i believe
supple dome
that is and i wasnt referring to that
meager birch
placid harness
That is the only official art.
supple dome
yes weve all seen the outdated colossus
hasty latch
Grab the one with it having at a Pue.
meager birch
Thats fan art
supple dome
thats fan
hasty latch
By who?
meager birch
But before she was a dev
earnest glade
Yeah it's by Tap
supple dome
danke george
earnest glade
It's fan stuff
hasty latch
Well. Tapwing is a Developer now.
placid harness
If its still labeled as Fan Art on DA... its Fan Art.
meager birch
The colossus is meant to be the embodiment of the hypoendercrine
hasty latch
The isle has only been around for like 2 years man.
supple dome
hahaha
earnest glade
I think things like the collosus and Echidna etc. Are off the table for now
supple dome
@hasty latch 5
hasty latch
I may have missed part of that.
supple dome
a lot
placid harness
Strain bosses could be scrapped for all we know, putting that one reveal at the colossus model a looong time ago aside.
hasty latch
Well to be honest. First the first year or two it was just a dinosaur game.
meager birch
Might be fan made then
supple dome
but is waiting to be done i believe
meager birch
vast sluice
They were working on a Collosus model at one point though
supple dome
fan
earnest glade
Is that official though
hasty latch
Anth goes nuts over everything.
muted steppe
The Reaper model? It was made by a dev, but they left the team so it's probably scrapped.
meager birch
Just something that hasn't been revealed?
hasty latch
Decoration?
earnest glade
Ty Bhal ❤
meager birch
knew it xD
supple dome
@muted steppe it was fan???
placid harness
Reaper looked real cool ngl.
muted steppe
No it wasn't.
placid harness
I'd hate to see its concept go.
supple dome
anth said it was in the video
muted steppe
Was made by fabricious while he still worked on Isle.
earnest glade
I don't think they're scrapped, but maybe reworked
hasty latch
Don't believe anything Anth says.
meager birch
Doubt they would just scrap a model
muted steppe
I'm just referring to that specific model. Even if they kept it, they'd probably just have Jake make a better looking model later on and replace it, so
hasty latch
Take it from the devs themselves. Most reliable info.
muted steppe
meager birch
Ah
muted steppe
anywho, continue your theories
supple dome
island hopper
supple dome
something george did a while ago
earnest glade
I don't think there was an official name
supple dome
might just be a nod since don loved it
supple dome
eh everyone just calls it island hoppers now lol
earnest glade
I think it's something like that anyways
Maybe they were here before
Could even be the matriarch
earnest glade
I mean Don said on stream he wanted to add something bigger than a colossus to the game
meager birch
Possibly a matriarch or an island hopper then
If its bigger than a colossus
I believe at some point a dev said the colossus was supposed to be able to sling a puerta over its shoulder and carry it
So a matriarch or an island hopper would make the most sense
earnest glade
Maybe the carcass of it is used in the production of strains and other dinosaurs
supple dome
single
earnest glade
Could literally be the bbase blueprint for evertything
placid harness
Matriarch could be the chief source of the strain material
earnest glade
^^
earnest glade
That's similar to what I was saying. They recreated the matriarch in it's most basic form
supple dome
remember how it mentioned the matriarchs children in the loading screens
earnest glade
From the carcass that was left by the origina;
supple dome
matriarch children- strains, maybe
meager birch
They used the adapting genetic material from the matriarch
And put it into a creature
And it mutated
Making one of three strains
placid harness
I don't believe the strains are human creations. I do believe magnas are an attempt to recreate this, however.
making their own brand, you could say.
earnest glade
Or AE found a way of bending it to their will
meager birch
Natural evolution doesn't just branch off in the same animal
well scratch that
i mean so fast
yea
Crispr
earnest glade
True, but you can speed it up manually
meager birch
Still
earnest glade
Which would explain why the strains are so fucked up
meager birch
Some yea
earnest glade
Forced evolution baby
meager birch
the failed experiments would explain crispr and maybe the matriarch gene
earnest glade
Yeah true
meager birch
I think both are viable
earnest glade
Maybe it's very volatile
meager birch
The matriarch could be used for forced evolution
earnest glade
So it took time to control it
meager birch
As the matriarch itself evolves incredibly fast
Would make sense
From what i know of the matriarch
There were 2 and one was captured at the flyer stage? and the other was left alone
the captured one didin't grow at all if at an extremely slow rate
while the wild one evolved constantly
So its rapid adaptation
earnest glade
This Matriarch could have the base genes for all of the dinosaurs that exist in game. So for example the base genes for say Dromaeosauridae are inside of this creature lying dormant until they're activated.
Maybe AE found some way of activating those base geonmes
Which helped them make the strains
meager birch
Like how chickens have dormant genetics that if activated change they're physiology
meager birch
I don't know about everything but it makes sense with the matriarch HOWEVER
What would the matriarch be then if not genetically engineered (Which i believe it is as it was released and captured)
earnest glade
Could be an apex
Which could no longer sustain itself
Similar to crocodiles
They grow and grow
meager birch
Well
earnest glade
Until they can't sustain themselves
meager birch
Lets look at they're life cycle
They start out as a very small insect like creature
They drink the blood of other creatures
grow
earnest glade
Well we don't know this for sure do we?
meager birch
and in what i've seen become a smaller pterodactylid
Lemme find some concept art rq holup
earnest glade
That's just fan art by Tap though isn't it?
ebon basalt
^
earnest glade
I know the matriarch is a real thing
earnest glade
But the illustrations she did are just fan designs if I'm not mistaken
Could be canon now for all we know
meager birch
Yea
ebon basalt
Taps matriarch was fan art, we know basically nothing about the actual thing. Besides what was said in that one stream
meager birch
unfortuanately
Anyway
All we know is the matriarch is canon
So lets say
That the matriarch grows from either dormant genetics or the blood of other creatures
Hold on
I think theres an animal that develops off of blood
I forget the name
I saw a random documentery on insects and it was mentioned
Don't ask i was bored and had nothing to watch
Or not .e.
Anyway
I don't think dormant dna is enough to change a creatures physiology in a large way
Chickens basically get teeth and a longer tail
muted lion
Isn't impossible
meager birch
Highly improbable
muted steppe
Just gonna bump in, I believe that Dondi said if he were to add Tapwing's Matriarch design, he'd call it something else.
muted lion
Anyone know how you activate the dormant 'dino genes' in chickens
meager birch
Don't remember how you would activate them
But for a creature to change so fast and over time
It would need genetic material
atleast
muted lion
I know theres some rodent that gets fat and yellow fur if they eat certain things
meager birch
Flamingo's get pink feather's from the plankton they eat
So yea
If the matriarch could use genetic material in a certain way
It could evolve and change
muted lion
does it have it inside it already (dormant genes) or does it have to take them in somehow (the blood thing mentioned earlier)
meager birch
It would need genetic material
If you activate a dormant genome or dna or whatever it is
It would be instant
its no longer dormant
But if it changed periodically
It would be genetic material
sinful hatch
@placid harness @meager birch @earnest glade and so many others, thanks it was a long read but very interesting indeed!
I am just going to brush here real quick.
- Aliens seem unlikely
- Greek Mythology is key
- Matriarch what is it
So, I recall from the loading screens that something happened
to atrium C and creatures were moved to Tartarus
I believe these were the straings
strains
and therefore, Tartarus is a place here, not a creature
meager birch
Alright if i may interrupt
Atrium C was destroyed along with an aquarium by pheonix corp in an operation
However i do agree that the strains were made in tarturus
sinful hatch
No, but thats the thing, it seems they were moved there, though this did not exclude the possibility that Tartarus did not already housed big creatures
meager birch
Atrium C housed mostly aerial creature including alphonse a quetzel
sinful hatch
yes, I recall that one. 😃
meager birch
Tarturus if we follow greek mythology
Is a prison for the titans
The strains could be considered the titans in this situation
earnest glade
Yeah Tartarus is defo a place
meager birch
aswell
i think
is the location of the replicator
or something else
Something big
My bet is still on the replicator
earnest glade
I mean I was thinking either that Tartarus is a place, or the name of an AI that controls the replicator
sinful hatch
H-Type Carno
earnest glade
So they wanted to mess with something
sinful hatch
Matriarch and her offspring
meager birch
We don't know what her offspring would be tho
earnest glade
Could be the cannibals?
meager birch
No
earnest glade
Maybe?
earnest glade
Well we don't know that for sure
That's another theory
We don't even know if Echinda is confirmed
earnest glade
Oh yeah but like the reaper etc. That was concept art from a good few years ago
sinful hatch
Echidna and other N-Types to be halted, not replicated. Any personnel infected to be terminated.
meager birch
Lets not derive to far tho
grizzled dune
I mean there's this https://twitter.com/AEOlympusTransm/status/1013981645202968576
meager birch
.v.
earnest glade
Ah ok
earnest glade
That kinda backs it up
meager birch
Yea
earnest glade
Forgot about that
meager birch
But to what drah posted
it has a panic tone
Maybe because they underestimated echidna or the nuero's intellegence?
anyway
sinful hatch
Aquatics lab colapse
meager birch
The replicate at the end again
Does that mean they're replicating the strain material with the replicator?
sinful hatch
Well, this is a bummer, after Alfie caused all the issue, Atrium C was repurposed and became a housing facility for H-Types (terrestrials)
earnest glade
One thing I'm curious about is why the name Echidna?
sinful hatch
me too
meager birch
I dont know
o
oooo
found it
In Greek mythology, Echidna (/ɪˈkɪdnə/; Greek: Ἔχιδνα, "She-Viper") was a monster, half-woman and half-snake, who lived alone in a cave. She was the mate of the fearsome monster Typhon and was the mother of monsters, including many of the most famous monsters of Greek myth
mother
of
monsters
sinful hatch
Hades, Type-H Carno
meager birch
Seems to also reference nuero utahs?
sinful hatch
Ptero strain worked stopped and seems to be the beginning of repurposing Atrium.
earnest glade
So Echidna is the offspring of Gaia and Tartarus
sinful hatch
Aquatics and Type-M (Magna)
meager birch
Which furthers the fact that greek mythology is a large influencer
yea
and the mastermind
most likely originated
in tarturus
sinful hatch
drat, no tartarus, I thought there was one
meager birch
There is a transmission mentioning tarturus
earnest glade
Maybe this means that Echidna is the product of an experiment done in Tartarus
meager birch
Yea
earnest glade
What about Gaia?
meager birch
Gaia is the earth correct?
earnest glade
Is there anything regarding Gaia in any way shape or form?
meager birch
Could gaia be the name of the original mastermind that was injected with the n strain?
earnest glade
Well yeah mother earth
meager birch
lemme see
earnest glade
Is usually called Gaia
meager birch
Mother of all life
sinful hatch
ah
meager birch
primal mother earth goddess
sinful hatch
now we seem to have a winner
meager birch
So yea
sinful hatch
lol
meager birch
I don't know what would be a reference to gaia in game
earnest glade
Hold up
meager birch
10-4
sinful hatch
this primal mother earth goddess and this Mother of all life seem aplicable here
earnest glade
Lemme connect some dots
sinful hatch
ok]
meager birch
Doo doo doo dodododo doo do doo
sinful hatch
ok, np. This is awesome, will take another look also.
meager birch
Yea, been brain storming myself a bit
meager birch
any successful strain is special
plus
Its already one of the fastest creatures on the island
now you made it even faster
given it incredible strength
and an insatiable hunger
placid harness
exhibit a
H-Carno had something to do with this.
Mentioning Utahraptor intelligence directly before the Hades reference seems suspicious.
It seems we have a code: clever girl situation here.
placid harness
That's an entertaining thought. Utahraptors staging the rampage of a Hyperendocrin Carnotaurus.
meager birch
its possible
placid harness
I wonder if you'll be able to cause such mischief ingame.
meager birch
With AI maybe
placid harness
No mention of Carnotaurus here. Was this text in game before Carnotaurus was planned to have strains, or was the meating eating bull purposely left out?
bronze pike
with this type of lore, it would be interesting to see utahs get the ability to open doors
i think it was in before the carno got hypo
paper herald
Kinda makes me wish that a few facilities would remain functional in game, so we can see this stuff for ourselves, and perhaps get captured and stage an escape, though this is perhaps more of a suggestion
sinful hatch
so far the facilities, well the few that have textures and all, seem to be in a functional state, even if somewhat abandoned.
Is it possible for Lawrence Carter be the same as the Creator? Is it possible he was / is CEO for both corporations? Was he ever shown in Primal Carnage?
@placid harness awsome input there, I just don't have anything to add right now, I will reflect some more on these.
paper herald
I was talking perhaps human AI eventually, to make it active, though there may be issues
barren kelp
carter was somewhat included in PC canon, if only in bits and pieces on the loading screens. this prob wont be of much help but i had this lying around in my image folder
sinful hatch
@barren kelp tks!
barren kelp
np, i collected this kind of stuff long time ago and never thought i'd find a use for it lmao
earnest glade
Still need to add to it quite a bit
But that's a very condensed version of things
bronze pike
assuming skelebob is the godzilla sized spino skelly in the lake?
earnest glade
Yuss
regal sundial
People believe it is a modified store asset due to the structure of the shoulders/ribs/vertebrae closely resembling that of a human
So it's appearance may be subject to change
If it's totally custom though, that's a whole nother can of worms in regards to what this thing is
loud river
meager birch
Back and God damn thaeres some new shit
Also that I believe would be a lore question?
slow delta
I looked at the official answers channel and i found 2 lore clues
The magnas will play a big role sometime in the future and an archipelago of islands is planned
Dont know if these are game related or lore related
But its worth a mention
serene wadi
Dondi was surprised that people didn't figure out what magnas are
What their purpose is...
Personally, I still have no clue
From what we have heard it's a normal dinosaur that is sustainable
vague inlet
One would think theyre the so-called ‘naturally occuring strain’ that comes after growing your dinosaur to full growth
serene wadi
Magnas seem to be their own dinosaur
Not dinosaurs that mutated during their life
Magnatyrannus is always called "magnatyrannus adult"
I think it has life stages and can possibly nest, which would be why dondi called it a normal dinosaur
icy onyx
yeah even the name isnt something like magnavenator tyrannosaurus its judts magnatyrannus
earnest glade
Wait a sec
Magna could refer to Magna Mater
Which is a term used for the mother goddess's
It's a disambiguation meaning that Magna Mater has multiple names in different mythological cultures
So what if these Magna strains, are infact the base that the three imperfect strains are based on
So Magna, is a sort of prototype strain
Or maybe even the matriarch
As matriarch also means mother
So magna is the 'mother' strain
Magna mater is also sometimes referred to as Gaia, which links back to some stuff we said yesterday
What if Tartarus and Magna had something to do with the creation of the strains
Because in Greek mythology, Tartarus and Gaia had quite a few children
One of which was supposedly Echidna
So this might mean that Tartarus is a machine that can replicate or edit DNA or genetic information in some way. If it is, then maybe Echidna was the first person to try using Tartarus on herself to inject or inflict herself with this Magna strain
Which then created the Neurotenic strain, and the Neurotenic mastermind
I sound pretty fucking nuts imo but it all seems to fit together
slow delta
Another idea
We found so many clues in pce lore before dondi told us pce " was not canon" but now that it is we should look for more clues
Theres probably not a lot more left but it could be worth the trouble
placid harness
I like that theory George.
I had a brief stint of an idea that Magna was a stage required to acquire a strain, somehow. However if strains are transformative on normal dinosaurs this could not be the case.
If we look at this from a bit of a gameplay perspective, we knew hypo was supposed to be like the warrior, neuro the mage, and tisso the assassin (who knows what tisso could be now). For people that don't want to specialize, the magnas could be the strain equivalent of a generalist, the "survivor" if you will.
slow delta
could the fact that magnarex and magnaraptor look like the pce trex and novaraptor connect them lorewise?
placid harness
Sure
slow delta
maybe phoenix had early development plans for them or something?
:>
maybe we can finally get a timeline going
twin vale
someone's been doing some archaeology i see.
edgy pike
I remember seeing that when it was posted
slow delta
indeed
edgy pike
must've been years ago lol
slow delta
we gotta go back
probably looking to deep into this but a lot of people have been discussing how the dinos have a way of being tracked and i rememberred pce had a tracking collar skin
edgy pike
There aren't any collars on TI's dinos though
slow delta
true
but doesn't a collar seem kind of archaic
surely the more advance apollo engineering could have chips
the collar could be a predecessor of that
slow delta
because even for a collar its pretty advanced
regal sundial
Also
Cheeky TLW reference
That post by dinosauriac at least tells the game definitely doesn't take place in the 1900s
It takes place >2020
slow delta
yeah but we already knew that the game took place in the 2000s
dont remember the source but i remember the earliest date being 2015
regal sundial
Probably a loading screen or something
slow delta
maybe
meager birch
In response to teddy's post
If the matriarch was the magna strain or vice versa then i don't believe it would look like a "Normal" rex but instead be a rex with maybe extra limbs or other obscure features however i am somewhat on board with your idea of the magna strain being a precursor to hypoendercrine nuerotenic and tissoplastic i am however iffy on the idea of it splitting off into nuerotenic when it was injected into a person but it is possible personally i think the magna strain was maybe re worked for military use aka Tisso for night ops/Stealth operations,hypo for infantry combat,nuero for intellegence gathering or something along those lines
vague inlet
Neuro couldve been for emp’ing and stuff
hardy sleet
What do u guys think of the stone foundations coming out of the mountain is about on the v3 map
meager birch
Perhaps and uh idfk xD
oak pumice
EMP with neuro to disable radio communications and any weapons that rely on radio signal or electronics, then send in the hypers
meager birch
ehh
maybe
But i don't think we know who made what strain
and i believe only pheonix is thinking about military application
oak pumice
also magna's supposed to be the "perfect" strain ain't it
meager birch
w>
oak pumice
what if the other strains are just cheap imitations trying to copy it
hardy sleet
How is any strain perfect?
oak pumice
or it was somehow split into 3 others
meager birch
nononono
This aint some zelda shit alright
i highly doubr
doubt*
A strain that makes a dino bigger and alot fuckin stronger
Mutated into adaptive camoflauge and hyper intellegence and EMP
Atleast without help
Maybe it was a precursor
But i dont think it was "Split"
More evolved
Look at a magna
Then look at a hypo rex
the main difference i see is armor plating
That seems like an evolutionary trait
hardy sleet
A size difference too
meager birch
yea but the armor plating is a bigger thing to me
hardy sleet
Ok
meager birch
If dinosaur's were anything like modern day crocodiles they never stop growing if they keep eating
and im pretty sure magna has the same hypo hunger
hardy sleet
That's what deino is going to be like
hardy sleet
We will have to c
meager birch
Once again
I believe magna might be a precursor
but not naturally
Has to have been manufactured into the other strains
earnest glade
Imo I'm thinking that the magna strain is derived from the bones of the island walker skeleton
But I could be wrong
edgy pike
I think certain genes that make an animal "magna" existed beforehand, mainly due to the resemblance of the M Rex to the PC:E Rex, which supposedly was obtained in Inferno. Therefore Phoenix may have already been working on it?
fossil lily
Maybe the three strains were failed attempts at creating a perfect creature.
paper herald
Yeah, I don’t really see the strains as useful for military use, as they would turn on their “masters” immediately
oak pumice
what is it about dinosaurs and military application anyways
can i not just have a pet dryo
earnest glade
Strains are most likely not used for military use as they would eat a couple of people, and then get shot to bits
sullen scroll
Maybe used to threaten people..?
oak pumice
"here is my bioengineered murder machine but i need a laser pointer to get it to obey me"
"gg 10/10 scientists"
sullen scroll
Like “hey we have a giant hyperendocrine dino if u dont bow to me i’ll release him into ur city”
Lmao
Oh god jurassic world all over again
earnest glade
Why would you pump millions into research and development and then waste it by threatening people?
ember flame
Yah
sullen scroll
That is a good question
ember flame
It doesn't make sense
buoyant river
Hey guys
sullen scroll
Idk
buoyant river
if you look at that new rex broadcast dinosauriac posted
You will hear this noise https://youtu.be/jdNgZTosYl4?t=5
almost exactly
paper herald
I’d say it was just genetic testing, without military intent
Like a “see if we can, not if we should” thing maybe
ember flame
yah
paper herald
Machines do the work a dinosaur could 1000 times better, for militaries, as they don’t need feeding and training
They were trying to create the “perfect creature”, I think
sullen scroll
Then maybe its not for militsry but still for bad intentions if that makes sense
ember flame
Hypos are probably just used as vac-um to "clean up a mess."
slow delta
i know this might sound stupid but perhaps this dinosaur experimentation is done to further another goal. much how it was used to open up human cloning in jp, it's my theory that all this tampering is done in hopes of applying it and evolving humanity eventually
sullen scroll
But them why would the perfect creature also mean nearly unkillable
sinful hatch
@hardy sleet What do u guys think of the stone foundations coming out of the mountain is about on the v3 map.
My thoughts: I think its ruins for the Tribals, might play some role for them.
@earnest glade "Magna" means "great" in Latin, I am pretty sure it only means "Great Tyrannt" or something on those lines, though Mater is mother and "Great Mother" would fit in both assumptions.
@placid harness There was a post or something, that suggested the Magnatyrannus was a "perfected" version, suggesting it to be better than a Hypo strain for example (better, not necessarily stronger), with better metabolism and overall parameters. Dondi actually made a nod to this post, but nothing beyond that. @oak pumice has the idea as well (seems to me at least), Magnas are not a strain according to the devs (need quote here, don't have it). I believe that something unnatural / outside factor to became Magna as @meager birch said, but we cannot discard dormant genes as @edgy pike mentioned and perhaps are somehow inherited.
@fossil lily I think you are on to something here, the 3 strains are flawed in someway, even if deadly, but less balanced for long term survival.
ember flame
I thought Magna T rex was nicknamed "All Father"
slow delta
technically we dont know anything about the tissoplastic let alone any possible flaws
that was only a theory
and a shaky one at best
buoyant river
My friend came up with this idea, but what if the point of the game is just to beat the replicator and players have to work together to disrupt/escape the replicator and if a player sabotages that perhaps they are gifted a strain by said replicator.
meager birch
Whatever b-443 is could be the precursor to the strains or maybe a source of DNA for something else
Maybe the island walker skeleton
sullen scroll
Great tyrant not great father
paper herald
Manga is a refined hypo, is it not? Could be the hypo strain “filtered” down and made more able to survive
meager birch
Magna could be a more or less balanced hypo
buoyant river
Magna is not a refined hypo
sinful hatch
@slow delta yes, it makes sense for it to be a means for another goal, was Phoenix International also not responsible for medical treatments? The news paper article sent to me yesterday, on this thread says so explicitly. This would not be a far cry, lets not forget you brought up immortality. Its certainly a goal.
meager birch
Immortality for a goal seem's too cliche for me
sinful hatch
but it fits with the replicator tese
meager birch
O lets make dinosaurs and sink billions into making them and even more into specializing them into the perfect killing machines for immortality
ember flame
Yep
buoyant river
If you ever read The Maze Runner it makes a lot more sense @meager birch
sinful hatch
not, its a side effect
slow delta
oh let's test our ability recreate and clone humans by recreating and cloning animals extinct millions of years ago
meager birch
I have read the maze runner but i'm not seeing it
ember flame
It could be to just test
sinful hatch
some researches accidently lead to another
slow delta
if you can clone dinos
slow delta
humans are easy
meager birch
They were attempting immortality
sinful hatch
not always what you aim for is your goal
sinful hatch
but then something happens, and there you have it, a new goal.
meager birch
If they were going for immortality
slow delta
well dinos were extinct millions of years ago so you are looking at a more primal and ancient organism
ember flame
Its for knowledge
meager birch
They wouldn't still be sinking this much into the strains
ember flame
They want info
slow delta
that could be altered a lot differently from today's animals
ember flame
They want data
meager birch
They have to our knowledge nothing that can expand life
ember flame
wat
meager birch
extend rather
sinful hatch
yes Autistic, I agree
sullen scroll
@slow delta why create giant monsters though? They clearly can clone dinosaurs alone, so they would have achieved their goal of being able to recreate and clone humans. So if that were the case then why go further to design perfect monsters each having special abilities like a literal EMP attack or almost super strength
sinful hatch
data seems to be everything
meager birch
Data for what?
ember flame
Learn more from your mistakes
ember flame
Hypos are mistakes
meager birch
making killing machines has ZERO to do with immortality
slow delta
you have to push the boundaries