it's like denying climate change
#isle-lore-theories
dim cloak
foggy kindle
There really isn't any doubt anymore.
icy onyx
There is
narrow crane
Well it is confirmed that PC and The Isle have somethin to do with each other
so stop fighting about that
icy onyx
Yeet
narrow crane
can we please focus on the informations doni gave us with the pic
icy onyx
Now
dim cloak
what's the pic?
narrow crane
could be regarding to AE fixin the sht that Apollo made
narrow crane
the sht they made you can see in the trailer for PC genesis
fossil lily
I know Dondi has some of the PC assets and such so it does make sense for him to incorporate them
dim cloak
not the pic shown on stream the pic in the pic
foggy kindle
I never got the chance to play Primal Carnage before it died out... did the lore feature anything like Apollo trying to build their own JP theme park or something like that?
narrow crane
if you cant see it ^^
you can easily see the text
if you take a close look
its the same pic
foggy kindle
that was posted earlier @icy onyx
dim cloak
oh so it is the billboard on the docks
icy onyx
For those that CLEARLY didnt see it
narrow crane
ok now lets focus on the text below
this pic is taken from a console
i guess
the question is who is entering the console. i guess its an AE worker
icy onyx
Im willing to bet the magna is a result of AE taking DNA from PC island and making a new and improved rex based on their strategem.
fossil lily
I ain’t gonna go all out on a billboard from the first primal carnage game
dim cloak
there's morse code underneath the binary
icy onyx
I imagine its a worker yea
dim cloak
i'm loading primal carnage now give me a minute and ill send a pic
icy onyx
Most likely a high up
narrow crane
ye
fossil lily
I am willing to bet that ain’t at all what magma was created for no offense
narrow crane
if it as an apollo console, IF, then they used the same technology as AE
cus that console looks exactly like the ones from AE we know from the isle
is that right.
narrow crane
ye instead of green
icy onyx
Maybe hinting at a colder environment?
fossil lily
My point ain’t really invalid
foggy kindle
Hm, Magna being a buffed update of the PC Rex would kind of contradict with its direct connections to Hypo Rex, no?
fossil lily
Any theory is possible
narrow crane
if you find any pics of the AE technology
foggy kindle
Hypo Rex came first, so that means >Magna, then >PC Rx, maybe
icy onyx
Hypo may be the first iteration where AE went wrong
foggy kindle
or PC Rex could the the second version, not the latest, who knows
dim cloak
the new map will probably show some new facilities
narrow crane
damn i cant find any pic of a lab or at least a door from AE
icy onyx
Corp from PC makes dinosaurs, fails miserably, AE swoops in and nabs DNA and salvage from PC corp, they try to do the same as PC corp, make hypo rex using PC rex DNA, hypo rex proves uncontrollable and escapes, magna is created as the more "refined" version of the first version. Magna kills hypo, AE has its killing machine... to be continued..?
foggy kindle
hm... or Maybe Magna was first if the code name "All Father" means anything.
icy onyx
Could be
icy onyx
Maybe the magna was the first, then PC corp made their rex, and AE made their hypo
But i feel like that would contradict why magna was created in the first place
narrow crane
Maybe the Pic shows the first moment AE enters the PC facilty?
foggy kindle
possible, but Dondi said that Magna was a refined "version" of the hypo, which implies that the Hypo was first... hmm.
icy onyx
No unfun
icy onyx
You're literally going arpund in a circle to try and confuse everybody
narrow crane
i dont think recover process is anything physical
icy onyx
Its not funny
narrow crane
guys stop fighting please
dim cloak
more means nothing
narrow crane
we are trying to solve the pic
fossil lily
I don’t see unfun doing anything wrong
narrow crane
no time for shttalk
foggy kindle
??? why are you acting like your theories are official? Nothing we're talking about is official.
fossil lily
Let everyone theorize
icy onyx
Im veey much trying
dim cloak
and we got a blurry screenshot of a dead game
icy onyx
Idk why these guys wont stop
narrow crane
ignore dyno ingnore
icy onyx
This is why i hate this chat
narrow crane
everyone has his own theories
icy onyx
We need a group chat
narrow crane
so let them do their thinking
lets focus on our stuff right now
like i said i think recovering means files
foggy kindle
sorry, didn't mean to offend anyone here, just stating what Dondi supposedly said about the hypo a while back. Could be retconned now, for all we know.
narrow crane
and the AE worker is in the D.Base of the Apollo facilty
whatever the hell that means
so this picture COULD be the exact moment PC stopped (the games lore) and The Isle starts
when AE got all the data stuff
fossil lily
Could be
foggy kindle
I like the INGEN>Masrani theory. Not really "stealing" from an existing company; more like a new company is overtaking the leftover experiments and projects of a long-dead company.
fossil lily
Could be also rouge elements within the Apollo Engineering company possibly
narrow crane
well true
foggy kindle
Like, the Isle became free real estate for a while, until A&E took over.
narrow crane
man we write so much i cant even see all the screens anymore to compare xD
fossil lily
Does anyone have a copy of the map that was posted a while back
icy onyx
Why?
fossil lily
Like the map of V3 that had locations on it
fossil lily
Better then nothing
grizzled dune
Was taken from stream
Don said he'd post the official thing on discord,but y'know it's been some months
icy onyx
Atrium was what, near that white dot right?
narrow crane
k guys im going through the PC Genesis trailer again cus i think we can get something out of it
and what i noticed is
fossil lily
Honestly that map is thing that excites me the most
foggy kindle
hm, so the same computer tech
icy onyx
So IT ISNT an AE console, its a console, signed in to the AE program ON THE PC ISLAND
foggy kindle
though, if we're going by the Isle's CURRENT menu and HUD screens, they're green.
narrow crane
i would say so. yes
i think AE tech is green
and PC tech is blue
as stupid as it sounds
xD
fossil lily
Could make semi sense if some of the isle islands are run down PC islands
narrow crane
like i said im sure its the exact moment when AE aka. The Isle really started
they stole Apollos data
after Apollo failed
foggy kindle
IDK, I still have this gut feeling that both corporations are long-gone and dead, and the Isle's taking place far, far into the future.
narrow crane
or apollo sold it to ae who knows
grizzled dune
That'd be Phoenix not apollo
That'd be Op. inferno i guess.
taking Phoenix's stuff
grizzled dune
"User Inquiry: Operation Inferno
Generating…
One moment…
The acquisition of designate Phoenix assets at [REDACTED] location
Estimated 75 years of replicated EIP data between five subjects and initial process specimens. "
foggy kindle
if we're looking at A&E hacking Apollo here, then this hacking event happened ages ago
fossil lily
Does make sense what unfun said
narrow crane
thanks @grizzled dune finally some usefull data
icy onyx
Apollo e gineering
fossil lily
The console stuff I am somewhat skeptical about because of how old it is
narrow crane
but what im saying is, that pic shows us how PC and The Isle are connected
icy onyx
All good lol
fossil lily
Idk what is outdated and useless out of all that stuff
icy onyx
Mhm
icy onyx
Thats a theory that holds water
foggy kindle
Damn, didn't Don confirm that A&E and Apollo are two different organizations? Fuck, I don't remember anything anymore lmao
narrow crane
with that data they got, they started experimenting
fossil lily
Could be a completely different company invading the islands of Apollo Engineering long after their fall
foggy kindle
Or was the first organization Pheonix Engineering?
narrow crane
but they wanted more than simple dinosaurs, so they changed DNA
foggy kindle
fuck
narrow crane
and created strains
grizzled dune
It was phoenix
icy onyx
Then the series of events gets a little mixed
Cuz we dont know which strain they created first
Or what they created in early stages
narrow crane
I dont know what Phoenix created dinosaurs for but i guess we can be sure that AE is creating them for war purposes, right?
foggy kindle
okay so Pheonix = 1st org and Apollo & A&E are one and the same
fuck I forgot about that
narrow crane
i mean noone creates armored super dinossaurs for a park
icy onyx
Obvs not
But i feel like the hypo was an accident
If anything they didnt mean for it to come out tge way it did.
Which is why i theorize the magna was created to kill the hypo.
narrow crane
mhh you think? i dont know about DNA stuff but i dont think you can do such a monster by accident.. a real accident would probably result in a life organism that would die before being born
foggy kindle
makes sense.
icy onyx
When it was furst released to the public it was announced as the "hypo killer"
fossil lily
I don’t think any of these creatures were released to the public
icy onyx
But cat you need to realize that hypoendocrine disease is a real life thing
foggy kindle
well, if the strain trees are anything to go by, then strain mutation spreads quickly, with very unexpected results.
icy onyx
Causes gigantism
narrow crane
he means us with public @fossil lily
fossil lily
Oh my bad
narrow crane
There are so many ways why AE stole or took Phoneixs data
but we (lets just say know) that they did that
thanks to the pic
fossil lily
It does make me wonder if Hypos full name has connections with stuff irl
What does Neuro and Tisso have
foggy kindle
Could the name "Apollo" be the organization's public front for entertainment, such as theme parks? While "A&E" is the organizations true name, involved in top-secret bioweapon experiments associated with the govt?
icy onyx
Yea we know that AE went to the ild island in some fashion.
fossil lily
Could be unfun
narrow crane
And i am sure AE did all that gene manipulation for purpose
fossil lily
Makes sense
narrow crane
i even have proof
that they created the neuro for example, for purpose
so they probably did that with the hypos and neuros too
they wanted those monsters
remember the neuro spino picture? where they were operating it
its from tapwing
im sure they just couldnt controll the force they createds
so they needed a protection (the magna)
icy onyx
I honestly doubt it. If you watch a video by ms.numchuck she made awhile back i feel it explains my point very well. That these "strains" are actually just defects/diseases introduced by AE.
narrow crane
a thing which they can controll (probably)
foggy kindle
Hell for all we know there might not be a rivalry and it's just some Dr.Wu/Dennis levels of internal sabotage
icy onyx
Sure they may have wanted them to come out a certain way.
But most didnt.
Cuz thats how diseases work.
foggy kindle
...hm, if there was internal sabotage, then maybe this lead to the creation of the replicator computer AI?
foggy kindle
since humans can't be trusted to prevent chaos from happening?
icy onyx
They dont even kbow what they crwated
Thwy killed it and are looking at it
Yea its an accident
Its a dissection ffs
narrow crane
i dont know man.. i just feel like you cant create 3 "strains" that work as perfect killing machines
foggy kindle
Or it's just a specific version of a neuro spino, and they're researching it to make way for an improved version
narrow crane
by accident*
grizzled dune
Isn't that just fan-art from tap before she was a dev?
fossil lily
That is just fan art by Tap
foggy kindle
yes lol
icy onyx
Plus that
icy onyx
But yo, i can disprove you one furyher from the same artist
fossil lily
I doubt it
fossil lily
Each strain is so unique compared to each other
icy onyx
Dind how many times they screwed up making it.
fossil lily
Seems to specific to be a accident
narrow crane
like whoopsie we made a hypo, whoopsie a neuro.. damn we actually made a tisso too, well that sucks 😄
foggy kindle
IDK I still think some kind of internal sabotage was involved, if the original strain carriers are supposed to be "punished" humans/staff members.
quartz sundial
iirc the description for that artowrk was that the spino died prematurely so they were investigating the cause
fossil lily
Okay?
foggy kindle
take a chill pill, it's all speculation
narrow crane
im not willing to do that, i just feel like you said those strains are an accident
and i dont think so
simple discussion 😄 nothing personal
icy onyx
I saidvthe hypo was
I never said neuro or tisso
YOU said that
You twisted my words
Im out.
Peace.
narrow crane
uh well ok
however guys, lets just say we at least kinda know its a Phoenix console
foggy kindle
there's no "right" or "wrong" when it comes to pure speculation but eh whatever
narrow crane
and someone is trying to get data
icy onyx
I mean y'all are making it sound like im wrong
foggy kindle
nah, we're just trying to look at all the possible outcomes
icy onyx
"like whoopsie we made a hypo, whoopsie a neuro.. damn we actually made a tisso too, well that sucks smile" bletently making fun of my theory
narrow crane
i just said i dont think you are right, that doesnt make it wrong 😄 we are just theorising
and imo we got pretty far for that short time
muted steppe
narrow crane
i just dont know about that code on the down right corner...
im too stupid to translate it
foggy kindle
nah we aren't making fun of it, we're just speculatig what-ifs scenarios here
narrow crane
i cant do it
narrow crane
and if you type it backwards there are some random numbers
i dunno if they mean anything
i posted it a while ago
9 5 149 5 17 5 17 5 4 9 13 9 9 9 13 149 17 5 9 9 17 5
there
that comes out when you type the binary code backwards
do those numbers say anything? :p i dont think so
icy onyx
Theres numerois throughout
Mainly tho
5 17 5 17
Thats one
Vut the 149 the 3 of them in there
Right?
Or just the two?
narrow crane
i see 2
narrow crane
man i think dondi is just laughtin his ass off xD i hope we are kinda right with the PC -> The Isle thingy at least
icy onyx
13
narrow crane
im on pc, i dunno
icy onyx
Every 13th number it seems
narrow crane
lol ok
narrow crane
oof man.. its 4:33 am here xD i think i have to sleep over all that stuff, im too tired for numbers right now
icy onyx
13 9 9 9 13 as well as 17 5 9 9 17 thats two more
narrow crane
at least we got some solid information in this short time
icy onyx
I swear each of these patterns are gonna turn into a word jumble
fossil lily
I’m gonna be heading out good luck theorizing y’all
icy onyx
Some secret code
narrow crane
gn buder
icy onyx
Put on the tinfoil hats
Cuz the devs are creating a secret language with number patterns
violet nest
Hi idk if this has been acknowledged yet or it's a little late to put this here, but referring to the PC and TI comparison, I've noticed the sounds you hear during dusk time in TI Thenyaw map are exactly the same sounds in the end of the PC trailers
placid harness
So did you guys figure out Apollo stole shit or what
hearty mulch
Pretty much it
It hasn't really changed since we first heard of phoenix lorewise
Apollo existed, had some shit, did Operation Inferno to seize some assets from Phoenix, developed Project Allfather and others
placid harness
Well it looks like they are on another mission according to that stream load screen.
Maybe they are salvaging a few more things?
hearty mulch
The seized assets for Allfather being B-442 and B-443, which is a rex skull and Big Daddy
placid harness
watch out, having a single light-hearted joke in this channel might get u flamed bro
slow delta
@fossil lily oh boy
dusky walrus
cowards will dare to game against me
placid harness
I'm gonna be ready to game on once we figure out strains are from Phoenix all along
Which in actuality doesn't sound too farfetched.
slow delta
This came from the stream?
dusky walrus
yeah
placid harness
If any of the strains were to come from Phoenix it would be Type-H and Type-M.
Type-M for some obvious implications.
hearty mulch
Dunno if Phoenix had any strains themselves
slow delta
The "loading screen" thing doesnt seem that important apart from the recovery thing
dusky walrus
it has a straight up primal pic in it
placid harness
^
dusky walrus
which can mean myriad things in itself
placid harness
"For A Better Tomorrow"
With the chick holding the compy
dusky walrus
that seems pretty important imo
placid harness
I guess the fact that PC assets are coming are of no significance.
Well, "fact"
We don't really know.
dusky walrus
it doesn’t seem right that an ip was presumably purchased just to use a few assets
placid harness
All we have are implications.
dusky walrus
that’s why i think it’s something more
placid harness
A connection exists though.
slow delta
Did the stream show anything else
placid harness
AFAIK, no. I was asleep. There were the dev questions and then survival gameplay from what the clips show.
dusky walrus
other than dondi showing stuff and saying “not telling what this is”, just new v3 and some merc gunplay
placid harness
Not all of the decoding has to lie in strings of numbers and characters. Abstract thinking may be of use to us.
dusky walrus
^^ for real, i don’t think the isles lore would be just layers and layers of that
icy onyx
Thats what people defaulted to when we were first discussing the image. The numbers and letters and not paying attention to the text and/or the photo in the image. I had to remind people to take it slow to start. Move on to the decoding after. But basically what we found out is these two images look identical.
Carnicat provided these as far as I know.
Food for thought.
Ah hell yeah
carmine marsh
well then, i guess carnage is coming 
regal sundial
I hope now that they have the green light to use concepts from primal we'll see more stuff like atriums and genetics labs or what have you on the island, creepy decrepit spooky genetically engineered monster places
I am very curious about whether PC_Docks and that dockyard place on the coast past the plains leading to the enclosed big skeleton place are meant to be the same locale
twin vale
huh. i don't know where this A&E confusion came from? AE = Apollo Engineering, did I add an ampersand to the logo and not notice?
edgy pike
@regal sundial V3 and the island from PC are two different islands
icy onyx
I actually agree with @regal sundial at this point, we dont know locations specifically, the two main things we are missing are locations, and dates of events on a timeline. Which I imagine as we go will be slowly revealed to us.
regal sundial
Assuming that old Operation Inferno stuff from way back when is semi relevant again
We know that AE and Phoenix's timelines at least overlap
If I remember correctly Phoenix collapsed then AE went in and recovered the Novaraptor, T-rex (Magna) and Alphie the Hypo Qutez
It is very hard to be certain of any of this yet though
The lore has already been vague and the only PC material we have was essientially disowned old stuff up until that picture with the bilboard yesterday
Which people've then deduced probably takes the old stuff back out from the 'totally irrelevant' state it was in
hasty latch
Somehow i suddenly feel like its all going to get very dark very quickly. Keep an eye on the menu screen, we have some new images on the top section.
icy onyx
We may have some in the coming updates. Good idea. Lets try to do that. If we each spend like, minimum of 2 minutes looking at thise screens with coming patches/updates, im sure SOMEBODY is bound to see SOMETHING that adds to all of this. All we know is once Don finishes up the painting, and regenerating, of the forests in V3, then we can start exploring around. I really want to go check out that dock area even though i have a feeling it will hold little to no significance seeing as Don literally shrugged off the fact that somebody in chat said that his docks looked like the PC docks. Stating, "no way, those docks are way too big."
dusky walrus
y'all ready for this
placid harness
Funny how the Isle is planned to have all the dinosaurs that Primal Carnage was once meant to have.
In survival, too.
Tyrannosaurus. Spinosaurus. Utahraptor (Magnaraptor might be the Novaraptor if the Magnatyrannus is related to the PC rex). Ceratosaurus. Carnotaurus. Dilophosaurus. Pachycephalosaurus. Triceratops. Parasaurolophus. Brachiosaurus. Stegosaurus.
clever saffron
@placid harness It's not just a coincidence
placid harness
It gives me a weird sense of hope.
proper steppe
It has all of Primal Carnage's planned dinos and then some
icy onyx
also better looking models imo
ancient spindle
Bro that billboard
there's no way that's not where that's from
Someone's a genius
dusky walrus
ofc isle has better models, primals are stylized and most are straight up years old
hasty latch
"Ring the bell once for yes. Twice for no."
This bell wouldnt be really that helpful yet. But it's something to look out for in the new V3.
regal sundial
I think there's a good chance of there being stuff planned for V3 that we're still totally in the dark about
I hope we see something like the suburbs from that one map with the giant bones and skull island rock rex face
Tho
Also, the fact they chose to do the out of the way docks first over any of the other buildings that have placeholder models down on the map makes me go 
dapper snow
i think that is new
icy onyx
A rock has nothingto do with the lore.
They probably was just an accident that happened.
edgy pike
Yeah that's just a terrain glitch by the looks of it
modern dune
so does isle have the connection to primal carnage because i have theory
modern dune
i wounder if pc's rex is the magna rex
like the original rexes became extinct from the strains
and now the rule the islands of primal
icy onyx
hasty latch
don't diss the islands of Primal!
modern dune
didnt dondi work for primal at somepoint?
hasty latch
👏
modern dune
lol
hasty latch
I'm afraid to tell you that all this has been previously discussed. You might have to scroll up a fair bit but you should find it.
placid harness
90% of the theories here have already been discussed and will continue to be discussed. It's just how people work.
hasty latch
It honestly doesn't matter of you do rediscuss it. Just it might give you a slightly more developing insight.
modern dune
ok
lost depot
on the left of this dinosaur info screen a dev was working on, the DNA with bubbles pointing to different parts (much like jurrasic world: the game and how they add mutations) is still part of the screen, could this mean that it is very important for some reason and maybe it is the way you end up adding gene mods and getting hypos?
nocturne cosmos
i think thats for affinity?
wary eagle
I'm willing to bet it's for the genetics when breeding becomes a thing.
Speed increase, health increase, damage increase, all of the above decrease, etc
outer dagger
you've got good genes at the top, shit genes at the bottom
twin vale
it's the affinity system, as has been stated multiple times.
buoyant heart
🤦
nocturne cosmos
Though so
crisp moon
I am going to assume that the tabs will be used for your DNA strains like Hypo etc and they will affect your DNA hence the yellow bar and I assume there will be Negitives and possibitives in terms of the affects
echo gazelle
crisp moon
not really
carmine marsh
that's how the old perk system looked when don showed it off a year ago or whenever it was
i might be wrong but.. it's my best guess
crisp moon
Is it still going to work
carmine marsh
🤷
that's my best guess
maybe
looks to me that dinosauriac was talking about the DNA thing
i'm most likely wrong though
but if it's not for the affinity system then that's the next best thing
twin vale
The DNA thing is the affinity system, which is the perk system. I don't get what's so hard to understand.
coarse sonnet
We are inferior
carmine marsh
we're kinda dumb :<
hasty latch
I understood what he said the first time around. Honestly guys, keep up.
amber fox
@crisp moon that yellow bar underneath your dino is a representation of your growth
warped coral
Since its affinity related and the DNA at the top is strong and glowing while the DNA at the bottom is damaged, Its probs your affinity gauge
so doing good affinity generating actions allows more perks to be unlocked
if i were to guess that is
maybe even the bottom, dogshit perk is negative ones the game dishes out to you if you're a bad wee dinosaur
echo gazelle
Sounds right. I was getting confused because someone posted asking about it, then dinosauriac addressed it was for the Affinity System, then another person said something about it being for hypos. So I was just like
warped coral
Be pretty neat if you gained affinity, and thus unlocked more perks but if you did bad actions and went below a previously unlocked perk affinity level, the perk would "flip" to a less beneficial or even a negative perk to encourage adult players to not break "guidelines" even once reaching adulthood (the most likely to be abused stage of a dinosaurs lifetime).
and/or have it so that the affinity level sticks with you even after death, so when you respawn and were a "good wee dinosaur", you're next life starts with an advantage compared with a bog standard counterpart
But wait until dinosauriac addresses the real reason, because all i've said is just me bullshitting
echo gazelle
I would be okay with that, but if not I'm sure the Devs have something better in mind. I am pretty excited to see what kind of perks are unlockable and if you are limited to a certain amount. Maybe even unlock the maximum amount and switch out the ones you want vs not.
hasty latch
In this situation, the developer is usually right
cedar oar
Recently I've been finding hidden letters in the loading screen and I don't know if anybody else has found them. The picture has red boxes around the words that I found.
crisp moon
Can’t really see them
ebon basalt
theyre in the pinned google doc
vernal vine
Never noticed those before. Perfect, dream, real, forever, and seeking(?) Wonder if those have any meaning
tiny carbon
There's more too if I'm not mistaken
icy onyx
a allosaur strain could be added as of this line Cranial abnormality in asset (A.fragilis), re-sequencing
or another allo remake
hasty latch
Belive it was meant from the old allo to the one we have now.
icy onyx
possible
hasty latch
Possible... I'd say it linked up perfectly. Seen as all those "quotes" have been removed either they have become irrelevant or are now unrequired.
tiny carbon
Well there were more quotes than that, for example the aquatic testing, the helipad hangers and etc... My guess is they just temporarily removed them
hasty latch
Well good thing people wrote them down.
edgy pike
I thought the “cranial abnormality” was a mini roast to the previous Allo model
hasty latch
It was.
plain gale
*doberman
distant ocean
Allosaurus directus
icy onyx
Allosaurus Chaderonis
fossil lily
This is Theories chat m8
strong blade
I jest came up with an idea on were the islands are maybe located.
When you look up at night and you wait you can see the northern lights
wouldn't that mean that on the world map that there on the northen part of the world
plus Dondi is planning on there being snow and there it mostly snows up north or down south in Antarctica
jest a thought
mellow parrot
The whole thought of it being in the very northern/southern hemisphere to where a aurora borealis could occur has been discussed in the past. As for if it's in the document, I do not know
strong blade
good to know
fossil lily
For all we could know these Aurora Lights could be man made .-.
icy onyx
what exactly is tartarus an island or something else
tiny carbon
I think it's been assumed that it's another Island. There's probably a more definite answer in the docs that's been pinned
icy onyx
i would love to have a tartarus map thats for the elite of the elite players as of the horrors on it
meager birch
As for the northern lights they're almost definitely man made as the nuero spino can control the weather presumably through manipulating the dome's software and tarturus probably won't be playable as it's a place for the strongest of the strains and being a normal creature would interfere with the lore and I doubt you'll be able to become a strain at spawn
icy onyx
I would say The Isle takes place near Scandinavia the foliage reminds me of it
hasty latch
However, the Foliage is planned to change in the upcoming updates. Plus if your referring to the Thenyaw botanical gardens, that map is not at all lore related. Almost a placeholder.
muted lion
I don't know if this is an old topic, I just joined, but do the words in the background of the loading screen (loading into a server, not the game) mean anything?
tribal trench
Yes. Check pinned, it's in the Google doc.
muted lion
ok ty
pearl palm
How come the tiny text on the bottom left when you die isn't in the doc?
hasty latch
Because none of us can be bothered to do it.
pearl palm
Well
Here's what I've found
The letters look like code to me
This is after several screenshots of the bottum left corner, and top right corner.
I may try a few more times to get a better more clear image of the code
But the main things that grabbed my attention.
Signal source locked @ 192.168.1.1
Please enter clearance code * * * * * * *
And the letter code
blissful plume
Could be a built in safety feature to prevent Dinos from getting near or in buildings
silent raptor
I saw in Jinawee's dryo nesting video that the camera going through a bush had collision where the bush rustled. Is there actually a little drone camera following behind dinosaurs that can have its signal interfered with?
quartz sundial
thats a bug
silent raptor
Or is it lol
static crater
its a bug
static crater
dab emoji
silent raptor
Dang, it went well with the camera interference.
river marsh
makes one wonder if that connects with neuro spino's EMP ability.
and how it can blind dinos. perhaps its that.
static crater
i dont doubt it would have a similar affect but i do doubt that the two are intertwined
outer mauve
What
I recognize that from bio
@pearl palm
Those look like DNA sequences
Adenine, guanine, thymine, and cy-something
They’re also in four section blocks
median inlet
Yeah they are actually sequences
They cant be anything else
wooden folio
Like a-t c-g t-a ?
quartz sundial
ye
outer mauve
uh
it turns out code for proteins is usually in three section blocks
actually wait let me check something
hasty latch
Oh the letters GCTA are the letters for DNA sequencing. Somebody has probs already said it but still. That's what that is.
outer mauve
Huh
I guess I could work through it and try to figure out what the dna goes to
I ducking hated bio tho
hasty latch
Well. A-level Biology student here. Only problem is I can't be arsed to do it.
slow delta
The dna sequence is tiny and probably doesnt relate to anything
You would need hundreds if not thousands of nucleotides for a correlation to be found between sequences
If i remember ill put this sequence in a program to compare it anyways but it'll either come up with nothing or a billion things
But hey it's something
Im glad we are still looking for info
And the 192.168.1.1 is probably just a standard local ip address
Most of this stuff is random and acts as lore sauce
hasty latch
I'd like some of that Lore sauce
earnest glade
Big boi patch. Hopefully we find some interesting stuff bois
edgy pike
The V3 remake still needs a few more areas but there might still be stuff in this update too
So yeah hunting time
earnest glade
Indeedy, and I see you Gar 👋
edgy pike
in one of the new docks areas, you get a kind of TV static when approaching certain buildings
Actually it's the whole docks part
It could be that if we are supposedly controlling the dinosaurs through equipment, stuff in the docks is interfering with our camera feed?
oh shit a pue just showed up
earnest glade
Or we have implants that screw up our vision
edgy pike
to prevent us going there an damaging equipment maybe
This security camera at the dam rotated towards me when I got close then played a sound effect of taking a picture, so clearly the island isn't completely powered down or someone is still monitoring activity there
It keeps taking pictures until you move away
slow delta
Interesting
wraith ginkgo
But yea that sounds convincing
Wonder if they actually take pictures tho, and on the main menu you’ll see them or something
slow delta
My opinion is that for now at least its all still loresauce
Much like the building on thenyaw with the camera
slow delta
Radio on v3 plays morse code
steady dove
On the left is Lanky's picture, and on the right I did a quick recreation of the door in PCE's SDK.
Same model with same logo and text.
Might not mean much, but when I get on V3, I'll keep a lookout for other models.
slow delta
👌
placid harness
that's a genesis asset
oh fuck here we go
down the rabbit hole
Alright, so who wants to beat the system and try to break into a building?
edgy pike
Probably hollow inside
copper kestrel
hope you like breaking into buildings and finding untextured interiors and grass floor
slow delta
a friend playing around with the replay found this underwater skeleton
and this huge underground part under the bio-domes
both on v3
fossil lily
Oh Shit Update
earnest glade
Oh damn interesting. Maybe they e started to flesh out the buildings interiors then? I'd imagine it would just be gray boxes if anything
weak condor
So what are the theories for the static the player experiences in certain areas?
nocturne cosmos
could be that each dino has something in them that causes them to not want to go near these buildings so dinos dont rampage through em
weak condor
Maybe we have like trackers on us and when we get to close to the humans base, where they observe us and do research they send a pulse or something to the tracker and it disorients us and makes us want to go away from it?
Kinda like a protection system
earnest glade
Possibly, pretty confident in saying a tracker is installed within the body of pretty much all of the creatures on the island. Maybe strains have them too? Could be a key component to how they transform possibly
Or maybe the strains did have them, but they don't work anymore
viscid pulsar
We know there are trackers because mercs have been stated to be able to exploit them.
Nested dinosaurs, obviously, would lack these implants.
nocturne cosmos
yeah
earnest glade
Maybe these trackers are organic?
So nested dinosaurs could be tracked too
Because otherwise there would be no point in having a tracking system
nocturne cosmos
nested dinos wont have trackers
earnest glade
Then how will mercs track them if they have a scanner?
Because if they straight up don't show up, then what's the point in the system
nocturne cosmos
to track dinos not nested?
earnest glade
Because every dinosaur is most likely going to be nested at some point
weak condor
Maybe if you play as a merc you have to do it yourself
earnest glade
Possibly
nocturne cosmos
yeah i would assume you could put trackers on them
but nested dinso will either not have trackers or they will be much harder to find
weak condor
Maybe that's part of the game they only have so many dinos with trackers because they didn't account for them being able to nest or something
Kinda like the whole "Life finds a way" type thing
hasty latch
Well even for Nested assets. The Info screen still states that the tracking system is active. I feel like it would be a better idea to deactivate it.
nocturne cosmos
? what do ya mean what tracking thingy/
hasty latch
Well if you press insert and look in the top corner. Underneath Æ it says Tracking System Active. I'm not playing right now so I can't take a screenshot.
weak condor
Maybe it's just like that because he hasn't gone full indepth with it yet
Kinda just keeping it there for when he's ready to actually start working on that stuff?
hasty latch
Or perhaps it's because the Tracking System is Active?
hasty latch
They don't have to be in yet, but we know that they once inhabited The Islands temporarily. Perhaps they are watching and tracking from a far. Or the system is simply still online. Somebody forgot to turn the light switch off.
nocturne cosmos
or its just a mistake
static crater
lol wut
it's not a mistake
i dont think the devs would add the effect to every building and then demonstrate it and then implement it if it were a mistake
hasty latch
^^^
I don't really understand how these people are missing the point.
This isn't the development side, it's the story side.
nocturne cosmos
not that i mean the tracking in the top corner
since its been said nested dinos wont have the tracker form what ive heard
median inlet
Where are the photos taken by cameras on the V3 going?
tiny carbon
Databases, some storage file marked with the date, etc... could be several places honestly
edgy pike
Lore wise that is. It’s most likely just a sound effect and prop.
hasty latch
^^^^^
placid harness
Has anyone tried growing up from a nest and THEN approaching a human structure?
vast sluice
well doing that would either prove or disprove the implant theory
neon stag
yes
fluid stone
ooo fun
cinder hound
Nani
earnest glade
Oh shit son
fluid stone
hasty latch
Snek Snek?
short harness
gives birth to live young Like a true boa
No in-game dinosaurs currently do that, wonder how that mechanic plays out.
foggy kindle
man if titanoboa gets in,
I can't imagine all of the bugs it's gonna see once it's in dev branch.
snakes are NOT easy to animate.
like fuck, I can't even imagine how they're going to apply IK to it.
amber fox
theres that snake game on ps4 that could be a nice reference
with the movement
i dont know the name if it, but i remember seeing it
amber fox
its snake pass, the game i meant
like, titanoboa could be a lot of fun if it moved like this ingame
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_6dqzDvxNY
allowing it to go up larger trees, utilise water sources to its advantage and on land
coarse widget
yea thats realy nice
amber fox
this could also allow titanoboa to just sneak into bases using the sewage system/ventilation
like near the aviary, the 2 exit pipes would be big enough for a titanoboa to go up in and boom you have entry into the aviary where you could even troll fliers by sitting in the water and killing them when they drink
foggy kindle
titanoboas
giant snakes
sneaking through short pipes and drains, that other large creatures can't enter.
that's a pretty terrifying thought.
coarse sonnet
Such a giant snake would be slow af
amber fox
on land, prehaps, in water? not at all
titanoboa seems like the 1 playable that could be really good in large forest biomes, along with river and lake regions,
we should move from theories too, i jsut realised where we were
hasty latch
Perhaps it's ambush attack could be it coiling.
icy meteor
Yeah snakes exactly change their shapes and movement according to their terrain.
Difenity going to be super buggy as unfun said.
Maybe we will see it playable as survival in the next five years
hasty latch
That seems accurate enough yes.
urban root
How long does it to take to lunch the game
hasty latch
Depends if it requires updating or not.
urban root
Ok thx I got a computer for Christmas and now I can play the isle
tribal trench
how is this a lore related theory?
hasty latch
This player may be the one to Kill the Replicator. They are vital to our mission
urban root
What is the best server to play on
thick dove
Depends on what you are searching for
tribal trench
this doesn't belong in #isle-lore-theories
outer hull
hasty latch
Saw this concept art. Just thought that even the Tribal women have a certain Shrek resemblance.
midnight slate
what have I missed in the isle
I used to play when the maps were tiny and the acro first got released
allo vs rex was my fav time
hasty latch
#401464048610312195 go to this channel for questions like that.
midnight slate
gotcha
lusty nebula
Disclaimer: I'm not all caught up with isle lore
So with the way the Isle is going in terms of lore its reminding me of one of my favorite book series.
Z-Rex, Z-Raptor and Z-apocalypse (written by Steve Cole also SPOILERS)
Its about genetically evolved/modified dinosaurs and Virtual Reality (stay with me).
In the second book Z-raptor. it takes us to an island filled with modified Velociraptors and Utahraptors which are locked in a constant battle to the death.
IIRC (I haven't read it in a while) in the end it was revealed that the dinosaurs were actually death-row inmates that were brought to the island, their consciousness uploaded VIA advanced VR technology into the raptors.
In the beginning of the experiment the test subjects would use VR to control the raptors, like a video game. They had 2 choices, Utahs and Velos.
Inmates who chose Utah's sacrificed brains for brawn (they were about as smart as a toddler), while the inmates who chose velociraptors did the opposite (human level intellect). Whichever playstyle they preferred.
The game itself was them trying to survive on an island (INSERT HMMM EMOTE HERE) with any humans that were captured and brought to the island.
The game was real though, as the inmates were actually controlling raptors and killing real people.
Eventually (i forget how) but the inmates became the actual raptors and continued the sick game while the experimenters observed.
This reminds me a lot of The Isle.
First and most obvious, both are islands (aren't i a jeanius?).
Second, Genetically modification or something of that nature. IIRC Dondi has stated that none of the dinosaurs are real. This likely does have a connection to genetic tampering given that Jurassic Park is a huge inspiration for this game (and Dondi loves Jurassic Park.)
Third, a little bit more of a stretch... we're controlling the dinos. our real life selves controlling the game seems like it is actually part of the lore (EIPs). According to meatylock's theory our consciousness' are in gateway controlling the dinosaurs.
Last, it seems like we're part of an experiment to see who survives in this world.
I'm not all caught up with isle lore like i said, but let me know what you think i guess.
tiny carbon
Honestly @lusty nebula that resemblance is uncanny to say the least
It's been theorized before that the whole thing is just a simulation, and we're all just playing it with the dinos being our characters, though that book sounds almost identical to my theory of we're people sitting at computers controlling actual animals. My theory rests heavioy on the clickity clack of keys on a keyboard when you type in chat (is that still a thing?), and a lot if the terminal menu interactions
muted lion
probably why you get this flickering around human buildings, I do not think that that can happen to eyes the way it happens in-game
lusty nebula
yeah that sounds very similar
hasty latch
Spooky.
tiny carbon
Unless we're mechanically enchanced animals? That was another theory of mine. Someone brought up the dinos being just robots and based it in the jerkiness of the hypo carnos run animations, and it reminded me of the original art with the hypos eye glowing red. I'm willing to bet that the hypos or strains and such are either mechanically enchanced, or most robots with some fleshy parts, which would explain why the static: because the eyes are just live cameras receiving interference
lusty nebula
hypo carno isn't finished and will probably keep getting tweaked animation wise
tiny carbon
That's what I thought also but it's another thought I had based on their theory.
regal sundial
There's two schools of thought that'd fit with the static
One it's all a simulation
Two us as player's perception is meant to be themed as if we're watching our dino through cameras
From a terminal
Although that'd clash with the EIP thing
Maybe we're the dinosaurs but control them remotely somehow and the buildings cause some kind of interference?
foggy kindle
what if we're just people reincarnated as dinosaurs lel
like FR, I'm not even joking about it (that much)
human brains with human intelligence, stuck in dinosaur bodies
could explain this hint that Dondi threw at us a while back:
I mean if tribals will be able to reincarnate with (most? some of?) their memory intact, then why not humans or dinosaurs?
the whole tribal reincarnation thing already implies that the replicator stores AI-scanned replications of human brains and throws them into organic bodies, maybe through nanomachines or computer chips or some shit.
and fuck I didn't read K_Rex's post above, fuck I'm so stupid lmao. oh well whatever, at least the pic hints towards it
nimble cape
That was a theory that has been a round for a bit
The whole human consciousness in dinosaurs
And everytime your dinosaur dies you just get a new one created for you
And replicator keeps doing it over and over again to improve upon current versions of dinosaurs
Or generations
nimble cape
I don't know why the screen flickers but I'm pretty sure it's just like a 4th wall break for a camera
nimble cape
Might have something to do with the affinity system but who knows
fossil lily
Idk if this has been discussed but has anyone noticed that semi static that just appears on your screen randomly?
midnight slate
yes
fossil lily
The Dock Seems to be a very weird place
It obviously had something to do with trains
Because their is multiple railroad crossing signs around the dock
icy onyx
it would make sence if the utah was renamed to something like novaraptor wild variant or something like that or maybe even novaraptor subject 1 or 2
hasty latch
I do believe the dinosaurs are 98% Organic. I mean other creatures bite and stratch at them, drawing blood and flesh. Then they eat one another. You'd have some difficulty to eat through mechanical parts and circuits.
icy onyx
maybe their nervous system is mechanical but the brains is of humans
coarse sonnet
How can you fit a human brain in a dryo head, lol?
hasty latch
Dryos are actually rather large.
You can fit a Human brain in there. A little bit off pushing may be required.
coarse sonnet
But there is still not much space in its skull
coarse sonnet
there was some words about human consciousness
but human brain inside of dino is stupid imo
lusty nebula
it doesnt have to be a literal brain
nimble cape
^
placid harness
Maybe like the synthetics from the Aliens franchise they are biomechanical in nature?
ember flame
They could literally just use a chip that holds all the available knowledge of its past user
They don't need to put an actual human brain in the dino dude
fresh rivet
A human brain wouldn’t fit anyways. Also the fact that they’re morphologically different enough to not fit the same structure (yes, I’m fun at parties)
eager chasm
isn't that what most people here were already saying
carmine marsh
so it seems @bright wren posted this in offtopic but not here.. i think it should be posted here too 🤷 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401470471750811669/527917667177332757/20181227123440_1.jpg?width=400&height=225
viscid dome
to me, that kinda just looks like a spot the devs didn't intend for you to go, rather than something lore related
hasty latch
Just a joke if anything. They would guess we would be peeping about.
fossil lily
Where was the guy when they got that on their screen?
echo gazelle
Looks like the southern dock. In Anths video the texts apppears underground on the building side
manic nova
Could lens flare when looking at the sun mean anything? (obv living thing don't see lens flare)
tiny carbon
While that's an excellent point and a very valid thing to look at, I'm willing to bet the decisions to have lens flares was purely an artistic one.
Though I could be wrong ¯_(ツ)_/¯
icy onyx
i have a theory that the replicator isnt its own thing but instead an ai that controls everything on the island and uses the machines that replicate the tribal dinosaurs ect
vague inlet
That lens flare idea is actually the most smartest thing ive read in here so far
icy onyx
yeah as if there robots or some way like the terminator(robot machinery over flesh) the eyes are most likely cameras that is why we have lens flare
regal sundial
This is a baseless silly theory imo
It was either an aesthetic desicision and nothing more or plays into the weird sort of perspective you have in the game
Where you are the dinosaur but have the POV of an observer
With the stuff like the death screen and the info menu
Or the menus
Being a terminal
I think it's just people seeing things where there's nothing tho
amber fox
ellemayo why would looking at the sun have some deeper meaning
earnest glade
These dinos aren’t robots. How would they mate? Why would they need food and water? And why would they bleed if they were machines
earnest glade
I mean maybe AE have drones that look like dinosaurs to keep an eye on things
icy onyx
yeah but then what use are the cameras on v3
regal sundial
I think it's more that
We are the dinosaurs
But see through the surveillance systems
amber fox
i dont think thats how it works
regal sundial
Or maybe it's just aesthetic decisions
I think there's some reason for the static though
river marsh
Regardless -either it confirms something known that is known too little about -or is irrelevant. Just a note on the booklet until some better information comes around.
Its likely an artistic aesthetic that has a happy coincidence of maybe fitting with the lore on the dinos -but what lore we do not know yet.
In fact -this can be figured out once humans are released. If they see the lense flare, or do not -then it definetly has some sort of meaning.
If they do, its artistic, if they don't, it means there is something robotic in the perspective of the dinos.
rough jay
So if hypos are built to destroy and such then are they going to be used to destroy cities and country's, to start a new war? to end us all?....
placid harness
Bold to assume the hypos are the final product.
hasty latch
Or do we...
carmine marsh
so true
depending on where the fight is raptors might be usefull
but in no situation would a rex be usefull in a war.. or any other large animal tbh
placid harness
Has anyone ever seen the Truman Show?
carmine marsh
placid harness
Hold your horses.
This is relevant.
It's a movie where the main character, Truman, is played by Jim Carrey. Since the day he was born, he was unknowingly being broadcast to audiences around the world. His entire life is a show.
placid harness
Throughout the movie, there are subtle cues he picks up and he quickly realizes something is weird.
The "set" of the show is actually a gigantic dome.
This dome is an amazing piece of technology. Here is why.
Everything in there can be controlled.
The climate, weather, night, day, ocean, tide.
breeze.
With the flick of a few buttons, storms.
All electronically controlled.
carmine marsh
so the dome in TI could be like this dome? or the whole island?
placid harness
It might not be a dome.
But something that does encompass the entire island.
Or islands.
If we cling on to the old ideas about the Neurotenics being able to manipulate weather... are they really harnessing godlike power and flinging storms down upon us?
That may be a reach, but not something completely out of the realm of possibility in TI.
Neurotenics may be more electricity based, hence the EMP attacks or disturbances they cause.
They are just able to tap into the hidden forces and constructs which drive the islands themselves via this control over electricity.
This influence might not just be limited to technology. With training and conditioning it could be used to potentially control greater things.
earnest glade
That
Is pretty interesting
Possibly a half dome type of thing?
Or maybe there's a control station
Could be Tartarus maybe?
placid harness
There could be several points of control. Several facilities even.
And I think its safe to assume dinosaurs shouldn't be going near them.
The Atrium in V3 may be one of those due to heavy distortion.
earnest glade
Maybe that's what these 'sites' are
and seeing as there are 12 of them
Maybe they're dotted at specific points across the edges of the island, and there's one spot near the middle that they relay back too
foggy kindle
Didn't Dondi state something interesting about weather in his July Q&A stream? IIRC he said that weather occurrences and natural disasters won't appear spontaneously around different parts of the map, but will be timed, planned events that occur throughout an entire map through giant mechanic weather structures or something?
He even posted the concept art for it, but I can't find it right now.
So a neuro spino being able to """"control"""" the weather via EMP interferences through weather manipulation tech seems totally plausible.
And yeah, the isles being contained within some kind of super-dome seems like a given, no?
I mean, you don't want any of those giant-ass strains like a hypo quetz escaping to the outside world. Or any kinda strain contamination like what we see going on with cannibals, for that matter.
icy onyx
and they could also hide there experiments from the rest of the world as this could never be legal with peta around
foggy kindle
lol forget about PETA, look at all of the implied torture and experimentation that some of the human inhabitants are being subjected to. It's been confirmed that the profiles for the dinosaurs are actually humans, and that the apex strains like Colossus, Echidna and etc were once humans themselves. And lets not forget about the crazy shit going on with tribals and cannibals.
hearty mulch
When the orcs converted to the bright lord, they were seen as children, and became tall as she was.
hasty latch
Anyone got any ideas on Gateway?
From my point of view. That's a Gateway. But not the Gateway.
Not the path to A Gateway
The path to gateway. Like gateway is the name.
However if so, why no capital letter at the start?
Time to start theorizing to myself.
I'm hoping the first bit is literal. As I might start checking out the stars in the sky. Compare Thenyaw to V3 and see if they meet any current data banks on Earth, might be able to get a slightly more precise location of the Islands.
Haven't we all commented on how bizarrely bright the North star is? Potentially aesthetic but still.
Anything else in the sky of concern? The moon?
I haven't had the time to thoroughly analyse it for myself. But shall devote some time to it none the less. Make sure it's the same moon.
Now the second bit.
I don't know if it was said just for the hell of it, get the players intrigued and looking about. Keep the game active, or whether something is actually looking us all right in the face.
From this i have one possible solution...
We all need to hijack a Quetzl and fly it into the Sun.
And that is all my theorizing for today.
regal sundial
When that tweet first came out people stared at the sky for hours and didn't find anything
nocturne cosmos
i can confirm
amber fox
inb4 its a star formation that happens irl in a certain part of the world and not ingame
maybe try linking the star formations to the pings on the map you see when loading the game up
from there we can just check the present star formations of a certain time and link it to the gateway, which could be the story behind the certain formation or the certain mythologies' link to said formation
regal sundial
I'd say your best bet is reading up on constellations rather than staring at the sky
Since we know there's big mythology ties
Also gateway could be interpreted in the networking sense
amber fox
its what i said
regal sundial
Basically ye
Honestly I should do a bit of looking into constellation to see if I can figure anything
drifting juniper
maybe review videos from then and now (let's plays, news videos, twitch videos) to see if there is anything amiss in the sky
like say, a "black hole" in the sky with a rippled water pattern?
just a hunch
regal sundial
That was just a mapping error
wintry flume
Ok, I call upon you theories people
I've found something today, Idk if it's already been noticed in this channel so I'll just tell
I've been at the unfinished building beside the lake not far from the little docks
The completely black one made of two buildings connected by a bridge, looks very much like a office
The particular thing is instead of the usual "disturbance" effect on my screen I had a very strange logo I wasnt able to recognize flashing on it
Anyone has seen it or has already any theory on why is it different?
keen token
I’ve seen it too, not 100% sure but could it be the ae logo by any chance? Kinda the same shape, again idk just guessing.
wintry flume
Could be, not sure too. Looked very blocky
echo gazelle
Is it the same Logo as the start up screen?
wintry flume
I could be wrong since it was flashing and transparent but didnt look like it
But wait
Now that I think about it could have been it mirrored
wintry flume
Uhmmm
Now I want to go check on it again because from how I remember it doesnt look like it at all
echo gazelle
If you can take a screenshot. But overall there's not much theorizing to do since a static effect with a logo of any kind won't bring us closer to knowing the lore, we only know just a speck of its origin.
terse briar
IGP had a theory where it’s like the Dino’s I planted chips messing with them because they shouldn’t be near the human structures
wintry flume
That's the place
And that's the best image I could get since it flickers very fast, the form totally looks like the AE logo, it's very likely it
But the question is: Why the disturbance is different here?
regal sundial
I also noticed this
It is indeed an AE logo
Might be worth taking a closer look at the other static effects to see if they're unique as well or not
wintry flume
From what I've been able to see the Dome's effects and those I had from another structure I can't remember looked different but neither of them has shown anything more than just classic and simple disturbance lines. If they put a code of any sort, a hidden message in those lines I would be very surprised
Basically the only noticeable difference was in intensity
foggy kindle
Maybe that particular structure features a distinct static effect because it WANTS players to know that they're strictly in an AE-only zone.
For all we know, the other human-related areas on the map might not even be directly related to AE. They could be the remnants of Phoenix corp.
IMO this seems more likely, and all of the peeping-tom cameras that are taking snapshots of us across the map add credence to this.
Because, if my memory's right - observation cameras are specifically associated with The Replicator.
And most people speculate that the Replicator initiated The demise of Phoenix Corp. EDIT: - Or was involved in the demise of AE. Maybe both?
foggy kindle
?
The twitter gif image shows an observation camera being worshipped as some kind of sacrificial god, hence all the skulls beneath it, which are probably tribal offerings of some sort.
And the new v3 map is now teeming with similar-looking observation cameras.
hasty latch
I see no cameras... except possibly the one filming the shrine. Could you highlight it? I just see stone and skulls.
Wait. No now I see it.
Yep sorry.
I thought it was a skull, I see the camera now.
quick knot
a camera?
foggy kindle
Some kind of security/observation camera, yeah.
quick knot
yes
and in the sile
theres cameras that takes
photos
like in DV test level theres one in spwan zone
foggy kindle
Right, which sort of implies that the devs want us to make a connection between the cameras on the current V3 and Thenyaw maps and the Olympus tweet & pic I posted.
AKA the cameras spying on us aren't AE, and it's not even humans that are spying on us. It's The Replicator.
earnest glade
How's this a camera?
I think it might just be part of the glitch effect on the image
Because that is a shot from the gif isn't it?
carmine marsh
it looks like a camera to me 
quick knot
@foggy kindle hmm thats iteresting
foggy kindle
@earnest glade I'll see if I can find a screenshot of a V3/Thenyaw camera for comparison.
earnest glade
Are you sure? I can't see a resemblance if I'm honest
carmine marsh
i'll try and get a better SS at the right angle : /
best i can do
looks like it to me though
earnest glade
You don't have to, I don't think it's the angle. I'm pretty sure that's actually a skull with a glitch effect
hasty latch
Yeah I thought It was a skull
foggy kindle
Not the best image but it's something. Here's a camera from the previous version of V3. Similar square shape for the lens at least.
hasty latch
But it is a camera
carmine marsh
looks a lot like the camera to me
hasty latch
carmine marsh
if you look on the right there is a eh.. "thing" connecting it to the wall like the cameras
hasty latch
Close up, it's a camera.
foggy kindle
At the very least, we can all agree that it's some kind of mechanical-looking thing.
But on the downside, the image I posted has an AE logo on it.
hasty latch
Æ
earnest glade
That's a skull yo, you can see the orbital bone and the cheek bone. The bit that's white is one half of the forehead. I can see how it looks like a camera pointing downwards, but why would they put a camera inside of a shrine?
hasty latch
That's what Unfun us explaining.