why would it
#isle-lore-theories
slow delta
icy onyx
¯_(ツ)_/¯
hazy adder
cannot pick favorites.. Huh.. wonder what that's supposed to mean 🤔
icy onyx
Probably means it has to treat everyone equally...
hazy adder
Then the whole "deterministic nature you are being controlled" 🤔
earnest glade
TIME TO PUT ON YOUR TINFOIL HATS BOIS
So I have loads of other thoughts, but these are the ones I want to share right now. I’m still working on writing out the other ideas I have haha. I don't know what anyone else thinks of all this. But from what I can gather, this is an AI talking. And what it's trying to say, is that nature is all powerful when it comes to making mutated dinos, and possibly humans. "Deterministic Nature" I think refers to the apexes at the top of the food chain, constantly finding new ways to evolve. Maybe these strains, are enhanced pieces of the animals genome that we can utilize and rapidly mutate. And maybe AE has found a way to replicate it in a way that they themselves can change animals and humans at will.
Unfortunately it feels like we have some crucial puzzle pieces, but none of them quite fit together. For example we know for a fact that we must need our unique player ID's for something. Whether or not it's to 'log in' I don't know. As to how we log in, we still have no idea. It could be a whole plethora of things, some of which we've already tried probably. I stand by my statement that whoever this is who's talking is an AI, possibly named Tartarus or named after one of the gods. I also think that the Olympus Transmitter is possibly the gateway, and that there are 12 sites that feed info to it. These sites may be named after the 12 gods of the pantheon from Greek mythos.
We have also uncovered some stuff about an 'Apollo core' . This could mean a server room where the AI is held. Or it could be a literal power core where the AI can control and regulate everything. In the morse code, whoever is sending this signal says; "Apollo Core status check. Error" Which to me screams that this could be multiple people or an AI and system protocol conversing. Maybe this AI is initiating protocols to regain control. Also, in the loading screen when you join a server. It says some interesting stuff about an electromagnetic fluctuation in sector 4. This could be why the radio tower is using morse code. @slow delta Suggested this earlier. As for things like the cranial abnormality in an Allosaur specimen. I think this could be the start of testing the nuero strain on animals. I could be wrong, but maybe that’s why there was an EMP event in sector 4.
There is also evidence to suggest that these transmissions, were the last thing sent out before the island went dark. Maybe we need to construct a timeline of everything to find out how to login. Maybe we can’t log in just yet, and we need to wait for whoever did, to reveal info. There seems to be a key here, and that key is a person. The Dossier stuff we’ve seen suggests that only one person can have access at a time. So maybe we need to impersonate or trick the system into thinking we’re someone else. Possibly some kind of alpha code, or Prime ID or something.
This is all speculation btw
slow delta
too tired, ill try record the morse at night tomorrow and post it here
inb4 transmission
coral bronze
earnest glade
Ima do some painting
slow delta
Do you guys think the red flashing lights at the menu screen mean something or is it just sauce
umbral tusk
It’s nothing. Devs told us not to focus on the main screen. @slow delta
icy onyx
Pretty sure they said we should look harder at the main menu
edgy pike
@umbral tusk ^
tribal trench
^
supple dome
There are multiple things in the main menu that are of interest.
Ranging form the "security footage" to the Base code and morse code to the hidden text behind the leaves and the open service panel and switches
fossil lily
When I accidently fall asleep and miss all the theorizing
This what I get for staying up till like 3 AM to decode that Binary 😂
tiny carbon
Those four red lights at the bottom of the screen, do they flash for anyone? Like do they glow red? I could have sworn that they did, but they're not
Also, the main menu clips, there seems to be different loops
tiny carbon
First time I've been able to catch up all day. Just throwing stuff in. They change based on what button I click and then go back into the main menu
tribal trench
Yeah the clips are random
sinful wraith
Isla when the devs said that the menu screen wasn’t updated
Now we know Dino added some lore related stuff in it
earnest glade
Bois, I scrubbed through the title video because I can't help myself haha. I know we already have alot of it, but I noticed some new stuff.
SYSTEM READY
BOOT LEVEL ACCESS RESTRICTED
INVALID PRIVILAGES.-
REMOTE TRACK
RECON SECTORS
CH701-703
-SEARCH QUERY-
AE SYSTEM DEIRECTORY
SITE I-04 / AE---
Also on the phrase:
IDENT
TRX 8443
REQ. VAL: N/A
It's actually B443
icy onyx
@tiny carbon They do glow red only from 9pm to 5 am
gritty reef
hey, are there any two important words that seem to go together in the lore? like apollo and engineering? because I think I may have figured something out
static crater
yeah
the name of the corporation or whatever behind the lore of TI is Apollo Engineering
gritty reef
I also have used hades and protocal
Vignere
vignere is a code where you take 2 words to use in a cipher to uncover a word
and AE just really just seemed like it hinted that
(dunno maybe im just going insane)
pearl palm
I was in testlevel and noticed this looks like a map with locations
The only map that currently has an obvious volcano is thenyaw
rapid wing
So can anyone give me what is known about the story so far? I know little scraplets but not enough for an actual story or anything that makes sense
If anyone can tell me either ping me or DM me
pearl palm
icy onyx
?
Whats the point of that vid?
Also anyone who hasn't watched it should watch Meaty Lock if they do the lore
trim ether
@icy onyx A new member asked what we know about the lore so far
fossil lily
Just Binge Watch Meaty's Isle Videos
trim ether
I just watched that too tbh
rapid wing
Meaty is my hero
plain gale
slow delta
You guys went a bit offtopic there
rapid wing
Okay theory time
So after learning of the consciousnesses and when The Ban Loving Shrimp wondered why dinos cant open doors if they're using human consciousness
Maybe the conciousness doesn't have the memories of it host human, but is simply a vessel to store memories and experiences of its host? I doubt you can just create new consciousness, so they (whoever is collecting the consciousness memories/experiences) used that of a human as the human mind is obviously way bigger and better than more primitive creatures. The consciousness is wiped of it's human memories, and is now a blank consciousness, a vessel. The consciousness is put into a new host (A player starting a new life). When the host dies, the consciousness's memories/experiences are collected, and the consciousness moves onto a new host. Maybe the consciousness isn't wiped this time, explaining how a creature can know the entire map the second it spawns, or know basically everything about the fauna around it/in the world with it.
This doesn't really add much to the lore, if it adds literally anything at all, but it could potentially help explain some key things about it in the future. Someone/thing is using human consciousnesses as vessels to collect data and learn... well whatever it wants about The Isle I guess. I'm not too familiar with the lore myself, but I wanted to take a jab at it.
static crater
but
the opening doors thing isn't about memory
it's about being smart enough to problem solve
rapid wing
Well then... idk
Have you ever seen a newly born baby that can open doors?
Maybe the consciousness is limited to what it can learn/know depending on its host?
And the Hypo Utah has a big enough brain to problem solve
static crater
newborn babies can't open doors because their brains are underdeveloped
rapid wing
Exactly
static crater
big brains don't necessarily mean more intelligent
rapid wing
You know what I mean
static crater
more neurons usually mean higher intelligence
rapid wing
I wasn't being literal you knew what I meant lol
static crater
if it's limited to what its host's brain can do
then why use a human consciousness at all?
you could skip that entire step
and save time and effort
rapid wing
Well IDK
It is probably the most adaptable
Putting a Goldfish consciousness in a human brain wouldn't work, but it probably could vice versa
static crater
It wouldn't
rapid wing
Why not?
static crater
There's a reason goldfish don't have civilizations
rapid wing
I'm not saying the Goldfish would be human levels intelligent, but the human consciousness would be able to go into the Goldfish brain and learn up to what a Goldfish can learn
It's not a human brain, it's a consciousness
The brain is a vessel for the consciousness, and the consciousness is a vessel for memories
and for learning
static crater
what even is a consciousness?
Not a physical thing
so how can you take it out
and put it in something else
rapid wing
IDK... the character sending the messages and stuff seems super advanced
rapid wing
So it could be just really advanced science
I mean there are dinosaurs that I doubt were just there
static crater
what's that mean?
rapid wing
Like I doubt the dinosaurs were on the Islands to begin with. I think they were created and placed
rapid wing
So if they can create dinosaurs then whos to say they dont have the technology to transfer consciousness?
static crater
Because those are two very different things
and one is a lot more complex than the other
Like I said, consciousness is a state of being
Recognizing one's self and being self-aware
how can you
transfer that
to something that isn't intelligent enough to be self-aware?
static crater
It's a theory is what it is
Just because there's evidence to support it doesn't mean it's true
rapid wing
I'm pretty sure Dondi toyed with the idea of transferring consciousnesses
static crater
Well that's a dumb idea if you ask me
icy onyx
Makes sense for the game though
static crater
How?
icy onyx
You have humans playing dinosaurs
There's no way in hell you can have them act like a primitive being
nimble cape
You die and play a new dinosaur
the respawn is actually based in lore
rather than just a game gimmick
that every game has
icy onyx
We also have the affinity system
static crater
and the end goal is to create a perfect being or perfect killing machine or what have you, far as we know
so
what's up with putting a human mind
in a dinosaur?
to make it smart?
rapid wing
That's the question
static crater
give it problem solving skills?
rapid wing
We don't know the Entities reasoning
icy onyx
That's something we still need to figure out
nimble cape
all profiles (players) and their lives are monitored and then data is transfered to the replicator
icy onyx
You can't expect to know everything such as the motives
nimble cape
generations and generations of infinite undying
static crater
and where
nimble cape
to slowly build the perfect organism\
static crater
do the dinos even come from
rapid wing
We will probably eventually learn the Entities motives later on, but for now we just know what it's doing
static crater
ye can't make something out of nothing
half sinew
We don't know
nimble cape
Made by some AI
rapid wing
Well, we have an idea of what its doing
nimble cape
What's with the thinking face
half sinew
There's more evidence pointing towards transferring conscience than disproving it
nimble cape
It's most likely AI thats putting everything together over and over and over
REPLICATE REPLICATE REPLICATE
icy onyx
Actually no
static crater
'putting everything together'
static crater
building living organisms?
nimble cape
obviously they get raised like normal probably but the AI is directing shit
static crater
no
nimble cape
like the genetics
static crater
^
static crater
so
half sinew
They could be raised in captivity before the transfer of conscious takes place, but without more evidence we can't really touch on the subject as a whole
static crater
what raises the dinos
nimble cape
during creation they get a tracker in them for monitoring and tracking
static crater
until they're juveniles/
static crater
raised in captivity where?
icy onyx
If nested in dinosaurs dont have trackers
icy onyx
How to they get the consciousness of a human
nimble cape
that existed during and or took over after it was abandoned
by godlike I mean the fact that it's creating all the dinosaurs
raising them
etc.
tiny carbon
It had to have existed during, there's no way for an Ai to poof out of nowhere. It existed while everything was fine, and exists after everything went to shit
It's still running
Because no one was around to turn it off
nimble cape
everything like cages, food dispensers, is already there probably from when the islands were still habited the AI is just controlling everything
static crater
how are they able to be possessed if you will
by a human mind?
before they're born?
static crater
hmm
half sinew
Don already said the islands probably aren't abandoned before
static crater
^
nimble cape
but technically they could still be monitored through visual and motion tracking
static crater
I think
that's not plausible, for nested dinos being playable to just be an oversight
nimble cape
cameras, counting up the population of different animals similar to the JP novel
tiny carbon
The AI was probably a control system that had access to everything. Scientists said "Do this, regulate that, etc..." and the AI did it. The AI was made to regulate everything in the first place, and it's still doing so. That's why it has access and control over everything
static crater
are weaved into the lore in some way
icy onyx
No.
static crater
from respawning to selecting a dino to joining the server
nimble cape
I mean
nimble cape
it seems like all this new lore stuff wasnt thought up of when nesting was added
I dont think they would remove nesting now
just for the sake of lore
nimble cape
technically they can still monitor them but not the same as normally spawned dinosaurs
static crater
and how's that?
icy onyx
Your spawned dino it has a tracker okay? Humans i'm assuming can follow that tracker. But nested dinos do not. So they have a benefit.
nimble cape
only thing that doesn't make sense is the fact that the player can play them and such
Cameras
literally any monitoring method besides having a conciousness tied to AI inside of the dinosaur
nimble cape
can still technically be monitored but not connected to the AI
static crater
so that they can be tracked no matter what?
nimble cape
I'm just saying that there is probably still general monitoring besides a conciousness implanted into dinosaurs
half sinew
You're asking questions we can't answer at the moment with the transmissions and hints
nimble cape
Your also asking questions that either answer themselves or don't really matter
icy onyx
We should focus more on the things we can get done like decoding morse and decoding binary.
half sinew
You also aren't taking in to consideration that there does need to be actual gameplay in the game, not everything has to be lore related
that would be insane
rapid wing
Lol look at what I have started
tiny carbon
Cameras being all over the island isn't that far off considering the main menu clips. They're just random camera shots from different places. Sure they were taken in-game, but they're made to represent camera feed
half sinew
Ok, but that doesn't mean everything is
icy onyx
Okay if it is, Its useless honestly.
Its just a neat thing thats all.
Nothing of real importance.
static crater
why should I assume that most if not all game mechanics aren't tied into the lore?
tiny carbon
Because some of them could have been put in before the lore really started becoming a part of the game. Before the lore was even considered seriously
icy onyx
Actually.
half sinew
At the end of the day it's a fucking game, it needs gameplay. Not everything is going to be lore related, and there will be plot holes. There are always plot holes
fossil lily
That is why its a Theory 😉
half sinew
Nesting wasn't even planned originally
icy onyx
Some theories aren't important though.
As others.
Okay but I'm curious, do we have any theories on how the affinity system may punish players or in a sense motivate people to play a certain way?
...
That isn't important.
static crater
^
nimble cape
All Im going to say is that nesting was added in before this new lore which I honestly don't believe was concieved back when nesting was added. Therefore they need to tack on some lore reasoning to explain why the player can play them OR they don't need to because it's just gameplay that's obviously not going to just be removed for the sake of lore. There are ways to monitor the animals besides a AI-connected conciousness implanted into dinosaurs but it's obviously not super reliable. Does the AI even care about the population? Does the population even matter? No one knows so asking how they keep track of all the dinosaurs doesn't really matter. All I can think of is the original Jurassic Park novel and how the computer systems kept track of the amount of animals regardless of breeding.
icy onyx
You sure?
tiny carbon
could be ¯_(ツ)_/¯
icy onyx
Pretty sure.
I have a screenshot on how I think it may work
Think
Not is going to.
We should focus on things that are possible.
Instead of debating things that may or may not be.
Like for example Decoding the Morse on the Main Menu
Or Decoding Radio Tower Messages
static crater
I feel like if I don't play devil's advocate then no-one else will
icy onyx
The affinity system is going to dramatically impact gameplay
static crater
we'll know how it works when it comes out
icy onyx
I could be linked to hypos
half sinew
Ok but there are people working on that, so why stop people working on other stuff?
static crater
not important to lore
half sinew
cover more ground
tiny carbon
I thought there was a transmission about affinty?
half sinew
^
icy onyx
There is
half sinew
You guys are too quick to judge what is and isn't important
icy onyx
Anyways
half sinew
Just because it isn't morse code or in binary doesn't mean it isn't important to figure out
tiny carbon
If someone has already figured out how to log in, for all we know the morse and binary isn't even important right now
static crater
^
nimble cape
Affinity system seems to be set parameters for what the profiles or players can do
it's connected to their whole profile so
rapid wing
What is the affinity system?
static crater
transmissions are the most telling pieces of lore
nimble cape
it punishes them if they go out of the parameters
rapid wing
Could someone explain that
nimble cape
HOWEVER
tiny carbon
"The unpredictable nature of a profile within the mind of a dinosaur was resolved with an affinity complex. We could not make them do what we wanted, so we convinced them that it was what they wanted." is the transmission for the affinity system/complex
sharp frigate
nimble cape
one thing I noticed is that there are constant messages of you being controlled
sharp frigate
nimble cape
and how you shouldnt let them control you
I wonder if going againt the affinity system in a specific way triggers something?
half sinew
I mean Sammi seems to have a theory but that chat is going out of wack rn
sharp frigate
AI gone rogue, rebelling against its creators?
nimble cape
since it's basically trying to control you and keep you in check so you can keep the ecosystem and help create the ultimate organism
using you basically
static crater
hmm
nimble cape
for it's own gain and motives
rapid wing
So yeah, my theory from earlier can kind of tie into this affinity system I guess
tiny carbon
I think morso it's just continuing their work
nimble cape
and the affinity system is the method to keep you controlled
static crater
assuming there isn't some sort of kill-switch for any out-of-control subjects?
nimble cape
We know that the affinity system will fuck you up in ways that can be persistent across dinosaurs and maybe even servers
including but not limited to diseases and other abnormalities
icy onyx
Take a look at this. This is in-game right now. A DNA strand that at the top is brightly enhanced and the bottom damaged and broken apart with different segments. Currently it is locked in the middle. However when the affinity system is in I believe it will affect our DNA. Idk how exactly but at the top you can see the color is bright and enhanced. I honestly wonder if it means strains. Didn't dondi refer to hypo carno as some sort of evolution? I wonder if the affinity system may have to do with unlocking strains or maybe something else.
rapid wing
He referred to it as 'forced' evolution
static crater
^
nimble cape
I've always thought that getting full affinity for a while would eventually make you into a strain, along with many other things required
Because I don't think it would be that easy
and there would need to be a way to make the system pick which strain you will be
icy onyx
I mean, take a step back.
static crater
doubt that a Carnotaurus would grow massive horns and be covered in armor just by existing on the island through rapid evolution
so
icy onyx
A hypo is strong af and you're gonna want someone trustworthy with that kind of power
nimble cape
Maybe it's great affinity persistent through multiple generations of the same dinosaur?
static crater
meh
nimble cape
Along with other things?
icy onyx
Full affinity means you do what the system wants of you
static crater
don't need someone trustworthy
half sinew
The DNA strand obviously get's stronger and weaker, that could mean eventual strain or lot's of debuffs
icy onyx
It's a reward for doing what it wants
nimble cape
Since it ties in with the profile and since like you said it wouldnt make sense for a random transformation
rapid wing
So basically if you play the game correctly, you unlock a strain?
nimble cape
unknown
static crater
who fukin knows
buoyant heart
Hmm
icy onyx
Possibly, but that could only be one factor
nimble cape
I'm still going with the idea that going against affinity in a specific way will actually change or unlock something
static crater
pretty sure Dondi said they'd never tell us how to unlock a strain
buoyant heart
Maybe you have to come into contact with a strain?
half sinew
Would make sense to be rewarded for doing something the Replicator or AE wants you to do
static crater
we'll have to figure that out ourselves
icy onyx
Not only do you have to "appease" the AI but you need to prove your survivability which could be with the token system if that's still a thing
nimble cape
Only problem I see with there being something locked behind having really bad affinity and going against the system is that it would negate the point of affinity in terms of game balance
static crater
^
nimble cape
But then again I think you would have to be a brave soul to go that negative into affinity
since it would fuck over your entire game
rapid wing
Affinity could be server based to make it less entire game ending
nimble cape
well we dont know which it is
static crater
I'm sure high affinity will have its rewards
nimble cape
server based or player based
rapid wing
Fuck up on one server go to the next
static crater
like growing faster or something
half sinew
Low affinity will punish people severly
nimble cape
well dont you get stunted growth if you have low affinity anyway
half sinew
how exactly we don't know
static crater
albinism maybe
half sinew
Well, it affects us as profiles
nimble cape
What if you manage to survive to adult with the worst possible affinity
static crater
wanna be a jackass? here, have fun being spotted by everyone within a one km radius
nimble cape
and that's how you unlock something or change something with the lore
Because surviving to adult with completely negative affinity would be next to impossible
half sinew
Don't think individual dinosaur, think long run, us as profiles
static crater
yeah
tiny carbon
My understanding of the affinity complex transmission is as follows: Dinosaurs are animals. They are driven mostly by instinct rather than higher thought. I'm hungry, and I don't want to feel hungry. Eat. I'm thirsty and don't want to feel thirsty. Drink. Initial tests of letting humans control dinosaurs probably didn't go so great. "The unpredictable nature of a profile within the mind of a dinosaur..." tells me that dinosaurs would kind of listen to the thoughts they were being fed, and then instinct would take over and they would go and try to satisfy whatever need they had at the moment. Affinity complex is like conditioning in the psychological sense. Dinosaur gets fed a thought, and as it accomplishes that task, it gets a reward of dopamine, so it feels good (this is just an example of how the affinity complex could be accomplished). Then it starts doing more of what the profile wants because then it starts feeling better etc... until it has an "affinity" for following the thoughts. Then there's the side of maybe it's the dinosaurs affinity for the profile. That second image that Aliens linked shows dondi saying that the affinity complex could deal with you. So the affinity complex could be the dinosaur forming a bond with its profile. You do as the dinosaur wants (keep it fed, keep it watered, keep it happy, etc...) and it will be more willing to listen to you because it's grown an affinity towards you. Those are my two lore-theories/thought-trains on the affinity complex
half sinew
We get rewarded and punished
static crater
Dondi pretty much said that
nimble cape
It wouldnt break balance because at that point your affinity would be so bad that you couldnt gain anything from trying to be fucky with other species and shit, you would just flat out be fucked 99% of the time
nimble cape
I don't think the dinosaur and human conciousness are seperate and award eachother through affinity
static crater
^
nimble cape
but rather the profile of human conciousness is controlling the dinosaur and is connected to the AI, and the AI keeps track of it's actions
affecting it's affinity
tiny carbon
then you're completely cutting out the dinosaur
nimble cape
the affinity is basically a rating for the AI to reward or punish based on what it wants them to do
tiny carbon
apart from just controlling it
nimble cape
controlling them
half sinew
The dinosaur is just a host if you want to see it that way
nimble cape
The dinosaurs are just vessels for the conciousness
multiple dinosaurs same concioussness
compiling experiences and data for the replicator
and then you die and repeat
injected into a new dinosaur
tiny carbon
I don't believe that though. I believe that the dinosaur does still have some form of conciousness. Look at the transmission: "The unpredictable nature of a profile within the mind of a dinosaur was resolved with an affinity complex. We could not make them do what we wanted, so we convinced them that it was what they wanted."
They made the affinity complex for the dinosaurs I believe
static crater
what happens to your dino when u log out
nimble cape
repeating the cycle over and over with hundreds of conciousness for the replicator
tiny carbon
them is the dinosaurs in the last sentence
static crater
no Raven
the profile is them
they acted too unpredictably,
too human
so
affinity
nimble cape
^
completely makes sense with game balance right now
people don't act like dinosaurs in the game
therefore affinity complex
static crater
^
nimble cape
if you won't act like a dinosaur then we will force you to
static crater
nimble cape
which is needed considering the high intelligence and unpredictability of humans
put inside of a primitive mind
tiny carbon
I still think you have it backwards. I believe the dinosaurs would still resort back to their instictual behaviors, and the affinity complex was presented to make them want to do what the profile wanted
nimble cape
or creature usually based in instinccts
static crater
is a human mind
tiny carbon
Why would the AI just want an island of dinosaurs controlled by humans? If they want dinosaurs to act like dinosaurs, cut out the profiles
icy onyx
Could be a test of some sorts
nimble cape
Because they can compile experiences of the conciousness
icy onyx
They keep track of everything we do
nimble cape
compile all the experiences and everything the human conciouss learns
tiny carbon
It doesn't make a lot of sense to try and have people act like dinosaurs. It would make more sense to try and have dinosaurs act like higher-thought creatures, like humans
nimble cape
to add all the information from all the profiles and give it back to the replicator everytime someone lives and dies
icy onyx
Possibly a way to study human intelligence and how it can be controlled
nimble cape
basically think of it as accelerated evolution
static crater
well
nimble cape
to find the best possible organism
tiny carbon
Then why dinosaurs? Could do the same thing with squirrals and rats
icy onyx
Who knows why something like The Isle was made, we dont know their motives
static crater
^
nimble cape
That question can't really be answered
tiny carbon
But I doubt seriously it's to try and make people act like dinosaurs
nimble cape
I think the isle was definitely something different before
rapid wing
Its a simulation I think
nimble cape
but the AI eventually took over when everyone was gone
but with the same protocols
but we don't know anything to fill in the gaps
or to really know what the isle was like before present time
half sinew
Well
half sinew
We do know a motive
icy onyx
Dinosaurs are extremely primitive organisms, for all we know they're trying to bring out our primitive side
half sinew
Whether there are multiple motives we don't know
nimble cape
I mean honestly the answer to that question is that this is a dinosaur game and dinosaurs are super strong and cool af
static crater
and to be fair
half sinew
We do know there is someone who lost an important person and wants them back
static crater
they really didn't
nimble cape
there isnt really too much of a reason why they wouldnt do it on other animals besides that
static crater
wait what fallen
icy onyx
Primitive compared to us and many of the organisms alive today
half sinew
Very start of #454853549436960778
static crater
dunno man
half sinew
Also, this kinda makes sense, lemme dig something up
static crater
some dinosaurs are estimated to be as smart as many mammals today
nimble cape
There are tons of animals that are "primitive mentally"
nimble cape
You know what would be trippy as fuck
icy onyx
Again we have no clue what their motives are and that's just a possibility
nimble cape
if the matriarch was the organism all the information is compiled to and it's evolution overtime is based upon all that information at every moment of time
but that sounds impossible and also kind of retarded
and plus we dont know what the matriarch is necessarily
so nvm
We know the AI / replicator / whatever's motive is to create the perfect organism
whether that's it's only motive (which I doubt) and whether the motive of the scientists was different we don't know
half sinew
Transferring conscious
What Don said in #454853549436960778
All kinda connecting for that motive
rapid wing
Perfect Organism... I'm getting TONS of Ridley Scott Alien vibes
tiny carbon
They're sacrificing thousands of lives to get theirs
nimble cape
think it makes more sense if you look at the context of basically being immortal and respawning as new dinosaurs all the time
but the wording is weird
static crater
how bout
your consciousness
goes through thousands of dinosaurs
you live a thousand lives
not exactly a thousand but u get what im sayin
nimble cape
You only live through 1000 dinosaurs
half sinew
Twitter
nimble cape
then the concioussness is terminated
half sinew
Insomnus was a book
half sinew
about someone who hurt others in their dreams that they couldn't control
nimble cape
"Bryony "Bryn" Winters can harm people by dreaming. With no control over whom she hurts, a condition called Somnus, Bryn can't even be sure she won't kill her own family. Protecting them means running away and trusting a mysterious company that possesses as much authority as amorality. And when Bryn meets Cedar Blackthorne, a Somnus with captivating eyes, she can feel he's hiding something. So why can't Bryn help trusting him? And what if she's making a deadly mistake?"
definitely a stretch
half sinew
^
nimble cape
but I guess you could pull out some similar themes
static crater
what if
your consciousness remembers its whole life after it's taken out of the now deceased dinosaur'
but it's still controlled by the affinity system
so it can't help itself
well
it could just kill itself as said dinosaur, but respawning is a thing
static crater
yeah
nimble cape
it's just your concioussness
rapid wing
Damn
nimble cape
indefinitely
rapid wing
That is scary
static crater
so
static crater
like death but
rapid wing
Like purgatory in a sense?
static crater
your mind is uploaded into some sort of computer or storage device
nimble cape
Yeah
static crater
spooky
nimble cape
until you are a dinosaur it would just be your mind
static crater
thing is
nimble cape
but you arent human as a dinosaur its just your mind
static crater
I feel like the profiles can remember their time spent as dinosaurs
nimble cape
like when playing the game
they probably can
when you play the game you remember your past lives
correct your mistakes and get better
the stuff you remember and everything stored into your memory stays but is also transfered to the replicator
the replicator to me is basically like a balancing system
buffing and nerfing and adding new dinosaurs
nimble cape
and trying to get to the perfect organism that can cheat death like all the conciousnesses do
and being the strongest possible based on perfected forced evolution
icy onyx
With the whole Insomnus thing, since in the book the person didn't have any control over who they hurt or killed, could that be linked with cannibals?
nimble cape
based upon human experience, intelligence, and conciousness within a dinosaur which has a superior physicial form
rapid wing
Wait, isn't the Hypo Giga in pain? It's jaws cause it pain? How is that perfect?
nimble cape
the strains are a loophole here
static crater
cannibals are some sort of mutant
nimble cape
through constant changes
icy onyx
Of humans
icy onyx
Insomnus could be a disease of some sort affecting humans into cannibals
rapid wing
So the Hypo Giga could eventually lose the pain in its jaws?
nimble cape
the information on the creation and origin of strains is a really big grey area so idk
icy onyx
Might be a stretch but, it seemed possible
nimble cape
who knows if the replicator still makes them or if another force acts upon them and transforms them or whatever
static crater
Magnas solved all the problems Hypos had
nimble cape
are you insinuating that the replicator created the hypos but they were improved after multiple generations and became magnas?
static crater
find that
rapid wing
Are there any other Hypos/strains with quirks/imperfections like the Hypo Gigas jaw pain?
half sinew
It is a quote but the relevance is still there
nimble cape
unsustainable hunger
static crater
yeah
nimble cape
That quote probably has to do with tribals and the replicator
nimble cape
I saw a good theory that tribals were convinced by the replicator through it's creations and amazing technology that it's a god
nimble cape
and they were taken and their conciousness are used
so we are technically tribal conciousness
static crater
seems neat
nimble cape
they worship the replicator like a god and basically baits them in
but the biggest grey area with that is how they get the tribals to get, what, operated on?
and their conciousness seperated?
rapid wing
What I want to know is, what IS the perfect organism this Entity wants to create so badly?
static crater
the amount of people that own the game is worked into the lore
nimble cape
Unless echidna was somehow tied in and the tribals are her children and she fucks with conciousness but that seems like a long stretch that doesn't make any sense
@rapid wing Something that can cheat death and be the most efficient and powerful being or something along those lines. The end is never the end the end is never the end.
rapid wing
And why does it want to create the perfect organism?
rapid wing
Is it David from Alien Covenant? WTF lol
icy onyx
So it can transfer its consciousness to it?
nimble cape
the people who created "the isle" wanted to make the perfect organism
fucking with strains and what not
rapid wing
Just make a xenomorph boom problem solved
nimble cape
and somehow the AI does the work for them whether intended or not and it's following protocl
static crater
xenomorphs get burnt ez
static crater
problem when there are tribals on the island that can use fire
nimble cape
git gud ill just hack life so I have infinite flamethrower ammo
static crater
^
static crater
^
static crater
^
nimble cape
One thing I want to know the most is the origin of the strains
I think we've come closer to the conclusion that they are man made
or at least some of them
but dont know to what extent or how or why or if it was an accident or an experiment etc.
static crater
all of em
static crater
well
nimble cape
but only partially since we don't even know why hypo was necessarily created
static crater
we don't know the who and when of the strains either
static crater
I wouldn't doubt that Hypos were created for war purposes
nimble cape
possible
makes sense to fix insatiable hunger for prolonged killing machine at the cost of some strength
rapid wing
So what were Neuros and Tissos made for?
nimble cape
I think it's a bit cheesy to point everything to war
static crater
yeah
rapid wing
Neuro spino can alter wheather... so maybe Neuros for ecological editing and Tissos for population control?
nimble cape
but meh
rapid wing
Something along those lines
nimble cape
yeah but if they wanted ecological control why would they use a giant dinosaur
static crater
as much as they would outclass their normal counterparts and take their place
rapid wing
Idk
rapid wing
What are the Collosus and Reaper for?
rapid wing
Will they even be in the game?
nimble cape
I feel like the strains or at least one of them has to do with something natural
rapid wing
Oh god Collosus in game would be hell
static crater
they'll be in
static crater
I'm sure
yeah
and tbh I don't like the new head
I'd rather they stick with Rodrigo and Tapwing's concepts
but it's whatever
nimble cape
Maybe they will edit it with the full feather system
since its head looked a bit feathery
but its overall shape looks altered as well so idk
I didnt like it too much at first either
rapid wing
Oh wait Neuros can do neurological shit obviously... maybe they were made to help support the affinity system?
nimble cape
eh
static crater
eh
nimble cape
dont think that really has a connection
rapid wing
Just an idea
static crater
I feel like Hypos are nukes
nimble cape
it couldnt be all man made right
rapid wing
Throwing things out there to try and click things together
nimble cape
there had to be some natural discovery or influence on some of them
nimble cape
yeah interesting
rapid wing
There was a picture of scientists harvesting a Neuro Spino... so I doubt they would be entirely manmade if they are being harvested like that
nimble cape
that actually seems like a good idea to have during early creation
nimble cape
they were creating these dinosaurs and testing them out in the wild and everything and every once in a while they needed a purge
static crater
prolly analyzing it to see how it died or something
nimble cape
hypos were that reset
static crater
^
nimble cape
would take too long and be too difficult to gun them all down
static crater
ye
nimble cape
and make sure they are all dead
rapid wing
So where do Tissos come into play? Killing off the escapies that avoided the hypo?
static crater
and using a nuke would be too destructive
static crater
yeah
rapid wing
And what about Neuros then? Only the Spino as far as we know can alter weather
static crater
which I'm sad about
static crater
but they might be getting reworked to better fit the lore or something
nimble cape
which might still be canon
the reaper was the first of something
first human modification?
static crater
first human strain?
nimble cape
I don't remember anymore
it was a while
but the there was information about the doctor creating it and why
and thats all we have on tisso
static crater
I think it was Dr. Vega iirc
nimble cape
but dondi said he didnt like tisso so its unsure if its still canon or if the look just isnt canon
alright god damn
rapid wing
So lemme get this out here and organize it
Hypos are the omegabrutes that need to constantly feed or risk starvation
Neuros can affect and alter the area/minds arounds them
Tissos are unknown (hunters?)
static crater
2:11 AM for me
nimble cape
Cya later fam fun theorizing
static crater
rapid wing
It's 2:11 am over here
static crater
cya
static crater
understandable cya
slow delta
ill try record the radio tower morse during night time now
maybe the night ambient noises are less loud and obstructive
also i may have found a new morse source
unique current
New?
shrewd plover
Day-6
slow delta
nvm the morse was the same
and for some reason i cant record or auto record anything atm
slow delta
i hope we find some new clues or for transmissions to happen before the 23rd
because i feel like most of us are burnt out
naive mountain
TRX B443. Isn't B443 the Magnatyrannus or at least something to do with it?
unique current
🤔
slow delta
not sure
but that wasnt a B
me and buder did the set of flashing words on 2 different loading screens and we both got 8443
earnest glade
I looked back it last night, and it did say B443 but I don't think it matters too much. Maybe we can try and start piecing bits of info together
fossil lily
🤔
fossil lily
We got more boys
jaunty sundial
Hmm.. Cryptic as ever - I like it
static crater
jaunty sundial
Here's an excerpt from the resident evil fan wikia
"Lisa Trevor was an American woman who was abducted by Umbrella Pharmaceuticals to serve as a test subject in a series of unethical and illegal viral weapons experiments. She was important in the development of the t-Virus at the Arklay Laboratory as well as the first person infected with the G-Virus. Twisted and deformed by three decades of abuse, Lisa became a danger to the staff of the Arklay Laboratory, and they arranged for her murder when no longer deemed useful, though she was able to cheat death for another three years until she was killed in an explosion during the Mansion Incident.[2][excerpt 1]"
pure gull
So looks like if the replicator keeps making a certain thing, it becomes messed up?
warped coral
mother of cannibals
static crater
jaunty sundial
An interesting piece of the puzzle
static crater
Guys I think that it might be about the mother of cannibals
But like
Who
Wait maybe it's the Tisso reaper
icy onyx
"How mant times do you think that can happen, before things get a little... weird"
To me, this just echos the curse of the undead from dark souls
icy onyx
we've known that
static crater
turbid escarp
My guess is that Lisa Trevor is echidna and like I stated some weeks ago the strains are probably organisms infected with some kind of virus.
sick igloo
Due to Lisa Trevor having the G-virus birthed within her body she also had biological immortality. So that’s a thought.
static crater
'The first' (presumably human strain test subject) had Tisso regenerative tissue placed inside of them or whatever
Which over took their body I guess?
Little strange
static crater
And?
turbid escarp
Hypos could have some advance form of this disesase
static crater
They're not diseases
Hyperthyroidism is the over production of thyroid
Hypoglycemia is the lack of blood suger
So yeah it's kinda obvious
slow delta
i feel like the hyper strain is the most realistic
last minnow
Well
last minnow
The idea Neuro can control weather
slow delta
and maybe it wasnt as optimized as neuro and tisso
last minnow
And Tisso can have an outer body state, if that hasn't been scrapped
then yeah Hyper is the most realistic
slow delta
and then magna refined on the hyper strain?
slow delta
astral projection
static crater
That was planned for Neuros tho
last minnow
Traversing in like a ghost mode if it hasn't been scrapped
Which, I don't think it has been
static crater
Understandable
slow delta
the lisa trevor thing
slow delta
i guess
static crater
Hypos are meh
slow delta
lorewise i prefer the hypers tbh
btw the lisa trevor thing is loosely the inspiration for the echidna/matriarch/something?
static crater
Maybe
last minnow
First thing that came to mind when I heard the description of it was Echidna for me
sick igloo
It could also possibly be something we haven't seen or heard of yet. "Lisa Trevor" being a tease to it.
"Live. Die. Repeat. How many times do you think that can happen before things get a little... weird." Perhaps the constant regeneration had some ill-effects over time on something. Causing heavy disfiguring/mutations. Like some Eldritch abomination of a creature.
buoyant heart
that I would love tbh
slow delta
Maybe it hits closer to us
We keep playing dying and repeating
Maybe we get so sick of it we do something out of the ordinary?
turbid escarp
Isn’t that the catch phrase of edge of tomorrow?
sick igloo
That was mentioned already during the stream. It's just a coincidence.
turbid escarp
Is the gun that is able to damage hypos still canon?
icy onyx
.. Who knows..
slow delta
true we cant really know
icy onyx
I'd think so if Type-Hs are still playable
turbid escarp
I was looking at some of the resident evil lore and I have drawn some similarities between the T+G-virus and the hypo strain
slow delta
it mentions bio electrical capabilities
it seems closer to neuro tbh
but at this point in time, it still seems like
lore sauce
turbid escarp
But in increases streght and speed in the host
slow delta
true but arent neuros stronger and faster than average too
turbid escarp
Yeah maybe
Here is a list of all resident evil virus and what they do to the host
dull basalt
Their a bit stronger a hell of a lot faster but their body forms don’t allow them to take all that much dmg
Ya know
turbid escarp
I might be going to bit but considering we are talking the isle lore i doubt its too deep
slow delta
this part from the t virus fits hypers nicely
As a side effect of the virus' consumption of its host, specifically its digestion of the host's frontal lobes, all hosts suffer from greatly increased aggression. The virus also damages the hypothalamus, which results in a flood of neurotransmitters, enzymes, and hormones which induce a psychopathic rage and hunger in the host.
icy onyx
The Isle lore i doubt is related to Resident evil.
static crater
or
or
or
Their increased regeneration and bony armor and huge size requires more food
turbid escarp
I didnt say it was related but it might have some inspiration from it
slow delta
yeah
yeah hypers are a lot bigger but they have a lot more muscle to be able to move that fast which is why their calorie intake is cranked up to 11 and they need to eat constantly
whats unique though is that the different hyper strains have unique variations
turbid escarp
Talking about strains if hypos have flaws does that mean the other strains have flaws too?
slow delta
maybe
when we dont have any more morse codes to decrypt so we overanalyze strains we have seen very little of
i had trouble making my replays work when i tried to record the night morse
crisp ermine
They will probably have flaws otherwise it could be unbalanced, and if they didnt have flaws they would be the perfect organism
slow delta
yeah
the neuro strain will probably be fragile when it comes to damage
we dont know anything about the tisso one
but what about the magna one
rapid wing
More strain talk OwO
slow delta
from what we saw the magna rex isnt as strong as the hyper but it doesnt have that crazy hunger holding it down
sinful wraith
magna killed hypo iirc
slow delta
yeah but it was said it wont always be able to 1v1 hypers
rapid wing
I think that may have just been for dramatic effect
crisp ermine
I still have a document from one of the streams of july 2017 does anyone want it?
slow delta
can you post it here?
rapid wing
What is it
crisp ermine
Replicator.pdf
slow delta
huh
i think its certainly worth going over the older stuff
my eye caught this
User Inquiry: Replicate Alphonse
Status: Pending
Generating…
Generating…
Status: Failed
Check Atrium C Containment.
this is alfie
the hyper quetz who broke out of atrium C
sinful wraith
alfie is scrapped btw
sinful wraith
tbh I can't give you any, but there are like 15 people here that Quetz was scappred cause flying dinos is too hard to balance
slow delta
and if he's scrapped a big part of atrium C and the hyper lore is out
🤦
maybe in game
but it can still exist lore wise
sinful wraith
even as an unplayable
tribal trench
would be rad to have, on ocassion, a hypo quetz just grab your rex and leave lol.
but i think they terminated it? (don't quote me on it)
slow delta
nah its mia
but my point is when all this was released we didnt know much about alfie but now with the loading screens and the flashing phrases we have pieced the puzzle a bit better
crisp ermine
I never noticed it before but it says that B433 is a growth facility
tribal trench
also,
slow delta
in the replicator pdf?
tribal trench
magnas can take on hypos if they ambush the hypo.
in a 1 on 1 confrontation with the hypo knowing they're there, in an open field or something, hypo wins
placid harness
I don't think that Quetz being supposedly scrapped means its eliminated from the lore.
sinful wraith
I just don,t think it will be a huge part of the lore
tribal trench
imagine that
sinful wraith
since they can't do much with it like intended
slow delta
even if 8433 is B443 the new loading screens have like 1 sentence with it
not much we can go out
but i feel like it'd be worth trying to piece parts of the lore
this alfie part is fun af
hyper quetz breaks out of atrium C
AE: "put the land hypers there"
contingency fails
AE: "the hypers are out"
tribal trench
hmhm if there was (or is) a hypo quetz there might be hypo megalania,deinosuchus, etc too
placid harness
They must have had a fun time when the Quetz got out.
tribal trench
👀
crisp ermine
This was streamed before they said that they couldnt use pc so i dont know how accurate it is now
placid harness
"Foxtrot-11 to Epsilon-9 do you have a visual on the target?"
"Yeah, it fucking ate all of our choppers."
"Oh, well fuck it. We gotta use this Atrium for something."
static crater
crisp ermine
And it mentiones nova assets
placid harness
The whole Alfi thing is rooted pretty deeply in the Primal Carnage / Phoenix Corp connections that were at one point planned
slow delta
throne breaker and alfie are still cannon but you have to wonder how much is cannon or not
placid harness
But it still exists in the loading screens.
slow delta
yeah
ugh
i mean
if they updated stuff like the binary and the flashing words from the loading screens surely they could have replaced the "fact" loading screens if they werent cannon anymore
but if they are cannon that means phoenix might be cannon
placid harness
Alfie is probably canon then.
slow delta
and that conflicts with what we were told
placid harness
non of the loading screens mention Phoenix afaik
slow delta
yeah yeah i know
but the mention alfie
and alfie is a common bridge
User Inquiry: Phoenix.
Operation Inferno was a success.
Phoenix assets are required.
Phoenix Assets:
-All-Father
-Throne-Breaker
-Alphonse
-Nova
Replicating.
Inquiry: Nova
Designate Novaraptor.
Status: Replicating
User Inquiry: Atrium C Status and Location
Original location destroyed by Operation Inferno.
Transferring to Island Three.
if island 3 is v3
that means that atrium there is atrium c
crisp ermine
They showed the phenix corp logo in meaty last video
slow delta
meh that could just be written off as the hermes symbol
falls into the place with the whole greek mythology thing too
naive mountain
^
crisp ermine
True
slow delta
the thing thats troublesome with the lore atm is the phoenix thing
static crater
heck is hermes symbol
slow delta
cause if throne breaker is a phoenix asset
naive mountain
Caduceus
slow delta
Designate from Specimens B-442 and B-443.
Status: Destroyed in Operation Inferno