It's got a massive headcrest and venom spines on it's tail
#isle-lore-theories
copper kestrel
copper kestrel
Likely scrapped but who knows. As far as we know, Tapwing's art could all be canon now.
static crater
That ain't Tapwing's
copper kestrel
I know
static crater
Understandable
copper kestrel
Wanted to show off the pure hunk of sex appeal that is tisso rex
static crater
It's a sexy boi
copper kestrel
This isnt really #isle-lore-theories is it?
static crater
Shit I thought we were in discussion
copper kestrel
R u n
coarse sonnet
Hmm... if dinos are human controlled, does it mean they can easily join normal humans for mutual help?
coarse sonnet
For example utah hunt doggo
static crater
'
coarse sonnet
Read lore site
slow delta
isnt that a theory tho
static crater
Are you talking about human consciousnesses being uploaded to the dinos?
slow delta
besides doesnt it say only the most basic instincts remain or sth
static crater
Yeah
coarse sonnet
Yep
static crater
The only difference between them and normal dinos is their intelligence
They don't know language and they still act like dinosaurs
They just have problem solving skills now
Hmm...
However, in one of the loading screens it says that the 1st generation of Utahs were no smarter than goats
iirc
coarse sonnet
So, dinos don't have human minds, they just was upgraded with human intelligence genes or something?
static crater
Not really
It's the human's consciousness going into the dinosaur, but that consciousness is tricked into believing it's a dinosaur
Still I don't think it makes sense, and I think it's dumb, because you can't have a hyper-intelligent animal without a superb brain to compensate, but whatever, you do you Isle lore. I'll just be here shaking my head at how dumb it is if this theory is true.
coarse sonnet
I think this is little bit stupid too.
river marsh
The game passes much more quickly for our enjoyment. For all we know that human could know its a human for the first 3-4-5 lives, and then end up just accepting the fact its a dinosaur that just has a wierd reincarnation cycle? So they become a dinosaur
unless each life is the one chance for that human to stay alive -in which case thats....a lot of minds.
static crater
It just doesn't make any sense what the heck anyone or anything would need dinosaurs with human consciousnesses in them for. You could skip a step and just make the dinosaurs outright. Or you could be a damn fool and make the dinosaurs, then implant a human consciousness into them, then convince the mind that it's a dinosaur. If the final product is gonna act the same, why waste time doing it?
river marsh
military testing.
static crater
And an Oro will do what in the military?
river marsh
I never said every single dinosaur is controlled by a human.
also oros are so tiny they could be good spy drones. who knows.
coarse sonnet
Oro spy... lol
river marsh
then theyre there for the use of those who are testing the dinosaurs.
static crater
Slower than a dog too
tribal trench
The oros (since they are ai) aren't controlled by profiles (us)
river marsh
^
coarse sonnet
But dryos do
static crater
What would a rex even be good for in the military?
tribal trench
Dryo are human sized lol
static crater
A trike would be useless too
tribal trench
Also
buoyant heart
this is a game it doesnt need to make sense for the most part o-o
tribal trench
It's not confirmed that it's for military
river marsh
hyper rex or magna rex more like
static crater
Hypos were a sort of prototype if you will, for whatever they're made to do
river marsh
and it doesnt need to be military -but thats the best explanation I got for how much funding this place likely requires
coarse sonnet
Even hyper rex can be 1 shooted by tank
static crater
magnas were made to fix the problem of the hypos constantly starving to death
tribal trench
In the beginning it could've been for science, then military took over when they discovered strains, made ai and the AI "stretched" its orders and rules
tribal trench
Geek
Try hitting a smaller hypo with a tank
Hypo Utah etc
Neuros could use emp to deactivate enemy hardware
slow delta
well the first generation of players didnt know about the game mechanics and were arguably "dumb" but compared to the now experienced players you could make the allegory that we're the consiousnesses
buoyant heart
what about the nuke that costs money too o-o
slow delta
we get better with experience
buoyant heart
^^^
static crater
smh
tribal trench
If they use a nuke, the others will strike back with another and bye world
buoyant heart
plus heres the thing
static crater
I'm smh at Bowser not you HellShade
coarse sonnet
Some people still "not higher than average goat" 
buoyant heart
hardware can break down
static crater
Also
tribal trench
And make nuke not launch
static crater
Hypo can starve to death
tribal trench
🤷
buoyant heart
also also the value of transferring over a consciousness over and over again
static crater
Hati that's not how nukes work
tribal trench
That's why magna are here
buoyant heart
is extremely valuable
tribal trench
You can emp the whole nuke facility
buoyant heart
^^^
tribal trench
Disable the buttons
static crater
For that to work
buoyant heart
its a walking intelligent emp
tribal trench
Make it so they can't launch a nuke
buoyant heart
with teeth
static crater
They would have to be at said nuke facility correct?
Which means that a neuro is not needed
They could just have a hypo destroy the whole damn place
tribal trench
The neuro spino changed the weather
buoyant heart
^^^
tribal trench
An emp is faster than a hypo at disabling a. Facility
buoyant heart
plus we dont know the current state of the world as well
static crater
Yeah but
buoyant heart
there could be something going on
static crater
You can't sneak a neuro up to a facility
buoyant heart
actually
tribal trench
You sorta can
buoyant heart
mind powers
static crater
a nuclear silo
buoyant heart
boi
static crater
Ah good point
buoyant heart
hallucinations
static crater
But like
buoyant heart
caused by neurons missfiring
tribal trench
Also, there's smaller neuros
static crater
Couldn't the neuro just
buoyant heart
^^
tribal trench
Not just spino
static crater
use its special mind powers on the people trying to control it?
And get the hell outta there?
And never get caught?
tribal trench
No because it's being controlled sort of, the AI makes it think that's what it wants yk to do
coarse sonnet
Instead of neuro you can just use some emp device.
buoyant heart
^^^
static crater
People can kill people
buoyant heart
"The unpredictable nature of a profile within the mind of a dinosaur was resolved with an affinity complex. We could not make them do what we wanted, so we convinced them that it was what they wanted"
static crater
Much quieter
tribal trench
How is a person quieter than a Dino killing someone in a war scenario?
Guns are lowd
Loud
buoyant heart
very
tribal trench
Even if you use suppressor
buoyant heart
^^^
tribal trench
Yes
static crater
oh that neuro's dead
buoyant heart
...boi
buoyant heart
OMG IT CAN DISABLE WEAPONS
static crater
guns arent
static crater
they dont use electricity
tribal trench
Guns aren't affected by emp
buoyant heart
but this is far into the future
tribal trench
Not that far
static crater
it really isnt
tribal trench
We still have normal guns
tribal trench
Remember when anth went mercenary n stuff with dondi?
buoyant heart
hm hm
tribal trench
They didn't hace Sci fi laser beams lol
static crater
a tisso would probably be most useful in an actual operation
tribal trench
Tisso with hypo
static crater
silently hunting and killing people
tribal trench
Hypos take attention while tisso kills people
buoyant heart
each dino is a set up for another
static crater
whats that mean?
tribal trench
Neuro could also just stay far from the battle, and use emp to disable thermal vision and bombs etc
tribal trench
... Where does tisso fit^
buoyant heart
:I
static crater
depends what kind of battle
tribal trench
Tisso doesn't distract. It murders
static crater
are we talking raid on a base or like
boots on the ground everyone shooting at each other on a battlefield scenario?
tribal trench
Both tbf
buoyant heart
both
static crater
Why would we?
buoyant heart
o-o
buoyant heart
^^^
tribal trench
We're discussing about how strains could be used in military scenarios
See?
I can do the same
buoyant heart
mmm
tribal trench
:>
static crater
Tisso coolest strain end of discussion
buoyant heart
yus
tribal trench
Tisso and magna :>
static crater
Ima go take a nap probably cya later hombres
tribal trench
Cyaa
coarse sonnet
Tisso will be reworked isn't it?
buoyant heart
byeee
coarse sonnet
So you can't know if it the coolest yet
buoyant heart
XP
slow delta
in the loading screen it mentions a site i-04, could this be like a 4th island?
buoyant heart
the loading screen is really old, I wouldn't put much thought into it ;3
slow delta
hmm
it contains the ae logo much like the loading screens
hmm
i cant take screenshots of the loading screen
it wont let me
coarse sonnet
Its not that old actually
tribal trench
That's because the loading screen might be freezing
This isn't theory but OK 
And why would titanoboa be added? I don't see how it could compete against crocodiles and dinosaurs
Don't quote me on it but I don't think it's gonna be added
half sinew
Wrong chat for this
#401464048610312195 or #401470471750811669 would be a better place
latent flax
anyway i can catch up on this lore treasure hunt thing?
static crater
@latent flax https://taterfilore.wixsite.com/theisleslore
latent flax
ty!
static crater
np
latent flax
could you explain the mystery behind the Login?
proper steppe
if we could we would've logged in
past trench
For some reason I feel like lobosaurus has logged in and he’s just not online because of it
buoyant heart
so apparently because Anth has signed a NDA with Dondi and the devs, he has some inside information to whats going on, and one of the things he recently stated is that we should keep and eye on the twitter page, and that something big is coming...
I wonder what it could be
o.o
earnest glade
Ok guys and gals, I might need some help fleshing this out, but I think I may or may not be on to something. Someone may have already noticed this and I'm probably not the first. The devs will probably be in hysterics as I could be way off kilter with this idea haha.
So I was thinking about all the lore and info we have on The Isle, and something fairly obvious came to my mind.
The name of the transmitter is as we all know, is the Olympus transmitter. And in Greek mythology, the gods sit atop Mount Olympus watching over the mortal realm.
In total, there are 12 main gods and they all have a hierarchy: Zeus, Hera, Poseidon, Demeter, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Ares, Aphrodite, Hephaestus and Hermes.
Ok so going back to the Olympus Transmitter twitter page, it says that it is based on site 12. Maybe there are 11 other sites, that somehow correspond to this.
We also know that the company that owns and maybe still runs this island, is called Apollo engineering. Apollo is the greek god of the sun, prophecy, philosophy and truth. So what if they created a sort of prophecy, to entice people in and let them test on them, with the promise that they'll be ascended (Idk that was kind of off the cuff).
was then thinking about the site named: Tartarus. Tartarus is the deep abyss where the titans of old are imprisoned. It is also the place where souls are judged after death, and where the wicked received punishment and torture. This must mean that Tartarus, is where the scientists at Apollo engineering are creating these strains and testing on human subjects. HOWEVER. Tartarus is also sometimes seen as a deity or a primordial force themselves, so what if it is some kind of machine or creature, that enables scientists to create the strains and conduct experiments.
Tartarus could also be the aforementioned; 'Gateway' But seeming as we don't know alot about the gateway, I can't really elaborate on that.
Let me know what you guys think of all this and if it's of any relevance to something I've missed 😃
I still feel like I've made a tiny dent in the ground with this though haha. I guess that means I might be on to something haha. Thanks Dondi
edgy pike
@earnest glade This is really good. If it is mostly true it’s a good starting point to start theorising locations and characters.
Finding the metaphorical connection between entities and their Greek mythological counterparts
earnest glade
Thanks man. I was also thinking instead of the gods it could be the Titans of old. But I don't think that's the case
I'm gonna do some painting and keep thinking haha. Ping me of you guys think of anything else to add 😄 I love this kind of lore and it's great that it's this in depth
buoyant heart
YAY WE MADE A DENT 😄
icy onyx
This also helps the prove there are 12 sites also maybe one of the others sites most likely 10, 11, or even 12 has lot stability and they had to move all personal and bio assets to another Island. Why because their are 2 boxes so 2 numbers.
Image on Tater's website.
icy onyx
@earnest glade we know that each of the "gods" are actually code for strains and other entities
the most recent one that comes to mind is the suggestion of Hyper Carno being "Hades"
Echidna was also the mother of monsters in greek (or maybe roman?) mythology
etc. etc.
also, the whole tartarus idea adds up
it's a place where souls are judged, even though multiple lifetimes, essentially a purgatory
tying into the replicator system, thousand life contract dealio
icy onyx
You said that each of the 12 "gods" correspond to the 12 sites?
icy onyx
That would make sense.
earnest glade
And each Dino corresponds with a god possibly
icy onyx
If they do correspond with the Strains then Apollo should be the MangaTyrannus Solus
earnest glade
Or these 12 sites are named after the gods
icy onyx
@icy onyx afraid not
?
Magna was already confirmed to be codename allfather
?
maybe thronebreaker
or smth along those lines, check lore website
turbid escarp
I know
earnest glade
I sees
turbid escarp
thats why i said throne breaker would be zeus
icy onyx
then why'd you suggest it was apollo?
No its codename is All-Father.
It doesn't mean it isn't related to Apollo.
@earnest glade good snippet from the lore website
So
earnest glade
I was looking at this earlier haha
icy onyx
Operating under the assumption that tartarus is the system of replication that keeps profiles in the constant cycle of death
gateway is the system that first (just a shot in the dark) rips the consciousness of willing/unwilling victims and submits them as a profile into tartarus
icy onyx
supported by:
Facility holding that transports EIP to Tartarus```Ima take my dog for a walk, I'll be back. I'm liking the way you're thinking dude
icy onyx
"Mangatyrannus Solus, it is the Mega tyrant of the Sun. Apollo pulls the sun across the Sky. Solus is the fiction strain that has everything to do when Apollo Engineering creates a fictional creature."(This is stated by Dondi) I do believe Apollo is related to Mangatrannus Solus.
I'm second guessing myself now, because EIP may not be a direct coorilation to profiles
I feel dumb for asking, but do we know what EIP stands for?
earnest glade
I was trying to figure that out
icy onyx
Embryo Intelligence Profile
earnest glade
We don't know yet
icy onyx
Is what EIP stands for.
earnest glade
Oh really?
icy onyx
Mhmm.
earnest glade
Ah sweet
icy onyx
Its in the document.
So
iirc the user in this inquiry was khorne
Khorne, And Galli.
an actual player of this game with a "profile"
Yes.
earnest glade
So what if each player code is a profile, and we need to find a prime profile number
One that has access to Tartarus
icy onyx
he's already in game, which is why the system states Error: You are in Tartarus
Well, We know Khorne is in Tartarus...
we all are
So.
Tartarus is the Islands as a whole?
yeup
Island 1, 2, and 3.
the playerbase as a whole
not limited to the islands
Please do explain, I dont see how it is the playerbase.
but rather where profiles are held to be introduced into islands (sites?) and replocated as both dinosaurs and people
ok
1 profile = 1 person
Okay.
tartarus is the system that holds the profiles
Okay, Now i'm following you.
so what you and consider spawning into a game, or respawning after dying
actually have explainations in the lore
ok so back on topic
khorne requested a transfer of EIP, which could mean any number of things
a transfer of his EIP between locations or
actually nvm, gateway is the system responsible for first transfering EIP
so it would be designated to gateway to handle such a transfer, possibly releasing the EIP from tartarus itself
essentially what we've all been searching for in the lore
a way to escape
But, Its transferring EIPs to Tartarus.
but we have to ask ourselves
if gateway transfers profiles into tartarus, can it also take them out?
if not, can it be forced to? and how?
all we know is that the system didn't deny transfer
it was just unable to without a location
now I'm hoping that transfer means a literal transfer out of the system
turbid escarp
So it’s confirmed Tartarus is a place where profiles are held?
icy onyx
it couldn't be between islands, profiles already select where they wish to go
Its not confirmed but its a theory.
@turbid escarp not offically, but its the most likely explaination
turbid escarp
Oh
icy onyx
"The resulting acquisition has allowed phase four of Gateway facilities to commence." There is more than one way into Tartarus
turbid escarp
I was thinking what if Tartarus is where the dinosaurs get experimented on to be transformed into strains because nobody said the strains enjoy their bodies pherhaps they live in torture
icy onyx
Probably because of the amount of Profiles.
@turbid escarp think on a broader scale
now I'm really thinking on what the sites themselves could be, if not the islands. why the connections to strains? are they physical places or a kind of specific classifaction which allows a profile to inherit a strain?
lemme scavenge for evidence
before I do that, I dont think I ever wrapped up my theory on the whole "requesting EIP transfer thu gateway" possibly out of tartarus
Khorne was deined any kind of transfer without a location
so if we where to somehow confirm our location with the gateway system, could that mean escape?
fossil lily
We are given the location of Gateway technically
earnest glade
So we need to find a location on the island that corresponds correctly with Tartarus
Maybe it's the spawn points?
icy onyx
of course there are a lot of loose ends here, how could gateway not know our location when all assets have coordinates?
I dont think it has to do with spawn points.
Not of all the assets have locations.
could it be a different kind of location then? not bound to the assets
but rather where a profile resides within the system
fossil lily
earnest glade
That's what I was thinking
icy onyx
@fossil lily between Island 1 and Island 2
earnest glade
So it's a metaphorical location
earnest glade
In the system rather than on the island
fossil lily
Meaty said he may now what I-1 and I-2 are Im just waiting to see his theory
icy onyx
I'm pretty sure I-1 is Island 1 and I-2 Is Island 2.
earnest glade
Yeah we can pretty safely assume that's what it stands for
icy onyx
why would gateway not be able to find a profile if the system knows which profiles are bound to which assets at any given time
and
the exact locations/coordinates of each asset within every site/server or island whatever
oh wait, tangent
how many offical severs are there?
All Profiles that go into the Island are spawned in okay, lets assume they have a tracker a gps or something, Whenever they have offspring the offspring would not have trackers and they could also be consider not a profile...
12?
can someone check that? How many offical severs there are?
I dont think that matters.
of course it does!
we only have a vauge idea of what the sites could be
12 Sites one for each server?
turbid escarp
Are the official servers made each for different continents?
icy onyx
Sites are located on the Island.
I doubt the Official servers right now have anything to do with the lore.
we only really know that each site corresponds to one of the 12 "gods"
when was it ever confirmed that sites where physical locations?
it might make sense, but I'm just looking for confirmation
earnest glade
Well I would assume they are, but you could be right in saying that maybe they are server locations
icy onyx
It has too otherwise how would it be transmitting?
It has to have a location in order to transmit. And they are most likely not in game atm.
icy onyx
oh wait
hold on
lemme go to the lore site
Atrium C I believe is at AE-001.
Dont quote me on this though.
i think i remember some screenshot mentioning a "site"
fossil lily
AE-001 and AE-012 are both Scrapped
earnest glade
I don't think I've seen this loading screen before, and it states that 'Final studies are to be concluded beneath atrium B within blank'
icy onyx
V3 now has an atrium, the question: which one (before the update rolled back)
earnest glade
That redacted word, has the same amount of characters as Tartarus
So what if Tartarus is underneath Atrium B
turbid escarp
Could be
earnest glade
And if so, where is Atrium B on the island. Could it be the on on V3?
fossil lily
Loading Screens should be taken lightly. Dondi himself has said they are outdated.
buoyant heart
^^^
earnest glade
Ah ok
icy onyx
@earnest glade you misread
atrium B isnt underneath tartarus
expereiments where done under B within Tartarus
turbid escarp
So could the hypos being made on Tartarus and the atriums are just to contain them?
turbid escarp
I think they are wasn’t there a video where dondi was choosing neuro spino or something and it said type-n spino or something like that?
Could the neuros being tortured and experimented below atrium b, could the place below atrium b really be Tartarus?
Because in Greek mithology tartarus is underneath the underworld so atrium b would represent the underworld and Tartarus would represent Tartarus
turbid escarp
And hypos could be experimented on Tartarus too
icy onyx
not really bound to any specific island/site
earnest glade
How do I spectate my dudes? Looking for something real quick
icy onyx
I use Replay.
earnest glade
How do I do that?
icy onyx
Its a feature in the Main Menu.
earnest glade
Ok, sorry back on topic haha
turbid escarp
Is it confirmed that thenyaw is not part of the lore?
fossil lily
yes
turbid escarp
Really?
icy geyser
there's some weird stuff though on thenyaw
turbid escarp
Like the bunkers
icy geyser
like they put moving cameras at the radio station that look like they're monitoring the whole area
fossil lily
Thenyaw has been confirmed it is just a map nothing else
V3 is going to be in the lore
With it being confirmed everything that was on AE-001 is going to be on V3
fossil lily
All hypos were going to be out when AE-001 would be complete. But with AE-001 being scrapped my next best guess will be when V3 is complete
twin vale
thenyaw was originally a testing site for various features in development and still sorta is, but we do need a smaller map for people to play on so it's likely sticking around and will get folded into the story in some way in all likelihood.
fossil lily
But my guess is it will not have any major roles in the lore
sinful wraith
But without Party Pond D:
tribal trench
i'm happy PP is gonna be removed 🤷
sinful wraith
Same I was being sarcastic
tribal trench
(how am I supposed to tell..?)
sinful wraith
There was no way to tell
I just love how Party Pond became something
to joke about
so I see someone did dig a small hole in all this mysterious lore
I see that Apollo was was also associated with greek words meaning "to destroy, "redemption" and "purification"
buoyant heart
oh thats interesting
sinful wraith
so this kind of experiments could be a sort of redemption
buoyant heart
WAIT
don said that the song on one of his streams talked about profiles and how it was "all for a cause"
sinful wraith
buoyant heart
exactly
the "to destroy" part could be military based
though the purification part is still up for grabs
o-o
sinful wraith
I just wonder how in a distant future they would manage to worship that much people
buoyant heart
hm hm
buoyant heart
the purification part could be some kind of religion
....
maybe the cannibal mother and the people who follow her?
o-o
sinful wraith
OR AE had its motivations hidden at first by promoting something else then it got so big that people didn’t have the choice to follow it
buoyant heart
o-o hm
turbid escarp
Well the word meaning is very different to the greek god apollo
buoyant heart
oh?
buoyant heart
hmm
sinful wraith
He was also the god of medicine
buoyant heart
OH
turbid escarp
Apollo is the Olympian god of the sun and light, music and poetry, healing and plagues, prophecy and knowledge, order and beauty, archery and agriculture. An embodiment of the Hellenic ideal of kalokagathia, he is harmony, reason and moderation personified, a perfect blend of physical superiority and moral virtue.
sinful wraith
And it’s said that he could create hyper mortal diseases
buoyant heart
perfect blend of physical superiority and moral virtue.
...
that sound familiar
?
sinful wraith
true
this could all have started with a little treatment made by AE that is supposed to make you stronger
buoyant heart
oh
sinful wraith
then they went crazy with ameliorations
buoyant heart
ohhhh that makes sense
and possible messing with immortality
due to the profiles likely being actual people
sinful wraith
I'm just wondering how they managed to get so much people following them if it's about worship
buoyant heart
I think I know
turbid escarp
Simi you said apollo could create hyper mortal disease right?
sinful wraith
I know many sects do a long time brain wash so they can make people do whatever they want
sinful wraith
on the wikipedia page he cans x)
turbid escarp
That makes me think what if the strains are infected with some kind of virus?
That makes them stronger
sinful wraith
I have my own theory of how they made hypo
buoyant heart
they likely are due to the mother of cannibals lore
also there was a screen I cant remember where it is but something about touching material from subjects
turbid escarp
The hypos die very quick because they cant keep up with their hunger so maybe a virus could explain that the hypos have a virus that make them stronger but makes them have a shorter life spam
sinful wraith
what if AE was always promoting to be stronger and stronger, so they created cannibals, but someone named Echidna, always wanted more of it and to go always deeper, she became something that exceeded AE expectations and they lost control of it and she turned the others to worship her insted. Without the sexual connotations this could make sense
sinful wraith
actually hyperendocrin is based of 2 words, hyper meaning over and endocrin refering to hormons
buoyant heart
nod*
earnest glade
My dudes. How much do we know about the Pheonix Corporation/
buoyant heart
...
sinful wraith
idk
buoyant heart
shrug* not much
turbid escarp
What if tartarus was a place where people with contrary view points where send to be punish...to be experimented on..
turbid escarp
Those who secretly introduce heresy into the church will suffer a fate similar to that of the angels who sinned—they will end up in Tartarus. The Lord does not tolerate those who lead His children astray (Matthew 18:6).
turbid escarp
Another place in Scripture that mentions sinning angels is Genesis 6:1–4 where “the sons of God” took control of human women and their progeny. According to Jude 1:6, some angels “abandoned their proper dwelling” in the heavens. For this crime, God cast them into Tartarus where they are held “in pits of gloom” (AMP) for a later judgment. It seems that Tartarus was what the demons feared in Luke 8:31.
sinful wraith
but the transmitters seem to tell us that people want to be strains
not a punishment
turbid escarp
What if they where manipulated to think that?
buoyant heart
by the AI perhaps
turbid escarp
"Everything is not as it seems. You are controlled. You are conditioned. Repeating the same patterns is what they want you to do."
"Chaos is the surest form of control."
turbid escarp
maybe the people got manipulated into thinking they wanted to be strains not knowing that their punishment was coming...
buoyant heart
that...could be possible
plain gale
reminds me of TDK joker
buoyant heart
e-e?
turbid escarp
also what if the gateway was just a way to share information?
"A gateway acts as a portal between two programs allowing them to share information by communicating using protocols on a computer or between dissimilar computers."
fossil lily
The gateway is either that or a place where said information goes in and out of
Hence the name Gateway it may just be that it is where all the information goes in and out of Tartarus
turbid escarp
there is also another definition "a network node equipped for interfacing with another network that uses different communication protocols"
I was searching for more gateway meanings and i just something very interesting
buoyant heart
😮 ?
earnest glade
gogogogo
turbid escarp
A gateway cloning system
turbid escarp
is a molecular biology method that enables researchers to efficiently transfer DNA-fragments between plasmids using a proprietary set of recombination sequences
earnest glade
Ok
turbid escarp
I just found it on wiki
earnest glade
That sounds like a thing
earnest glade
A fragment of t a thing at least
buoyant heart
yus
turbid escarp
fossil lily
🤔
turbid escarp
Apollo engineering is part of the lore right?
earnest glade
Yup
turbid escarp
Huh
tribal trench
Phoenix isn't.
buoyant heart
WHAT
tribal trench
🤔
buoyant heart
WHAAAAT
turbid escarp
turbid escarp
technical education
buoyant heart
hm hm
turbid escarp
This are the programs offered:
B.E - Mechanical Engineering
B.E - Electronics and Communication Engineering
B.E - Electrical & Electronics Engineering
B.E - Computer Science & Engineering
B.Tech - Information Technology
B.E – Aeronautical Engineering
PG Programmes (2 Years)
M.E (Computer Science and Engineering)
M.E (VLSI Design)
Master of Business Administration (MBA)
well that lines up pretty well with the lore O-O
earnest glade
I think that might just be a coincidence my dude haha
buoyant heart
maybe
earnest glade
Nice find though
earnest glade
And I could be wrong
turbid escarp
Do you guys thing apollo engineering could have some correlation to the apollo program?
tribal trench
doubt it
unless they were making some humans that could live longer in space
or smthing
with the strains
turbid escarp
Another fun fact there is some biblical accounts of a person called apollos
buoyant heart
oh?
turbid escarp
There is also a university called "University of Phoenix"
But the curios thing here is the following
"The University of Phoenix claimed a peak enrollment of almost 600,000 students in 2010, but its numbers have declined sharply since then. Enrollment was 142,500 in August 31, 2016.[2] In 2017, it was acquired by Apollo Global Management, an American private equity firm"
turbid escarp
School of Advanced Studies
School of Business
College of Education
College of Health Professions
School of Health Services Administration
College of Humanities and Sciences
College of Information Systems and Technology
School of Nursing
College of Security and Criminal Justice
College of Social Sciences
What is interesting is that it was acquired by a company called "Apollo Global Management"
tribal trench
hmhm
buoyant heart
oh
slow delta
during the first transmissions we looked at irl appollo
its just a coincidence
copyright and stuff
turbid escarp
Yeah it probably is but its still a cool coincidence
slow delta
i guess
buoyant heart
ehhhh
earnest glade
I've spent a good 30 mins writing shit down haha. Gonna post it in here so we can elaborate on it.
MAYBE we're a lil closer to figuring out how to log in
sinful wraith
could you take a better picture ? 😛
earnest glade
Also my writing is trash
sinful wraith
didn't mean to be rude
buoyant heart
ok this really helps
earnest glade
Literally just a shit tonne of questions haha
And some of my own theories of what I think certain things are
buoyant heart
also I feel like this now
earnest glade
Me too hahahaha
sinful wraith
like taterfi
earnest glade
I'm invested
sinful wraith
about the worship thing, it could be related to "the man you owe can not collect his debt."
earnest glade
I think the real key, is greek mythology as a whole. It seems there are a lot of metaphorical names for things that relate and link to each other in various ways.
sinful wraith
we know sects always end up insane and want more and more of you, but at some point it's too much so they just punish you for it
buoyant heart
^^
earnest glade
They do indeed
sinful wraith
the man we owe could be the "god" and he wants always more of us
raising his expectations
not able to get his debt
earnest glade
Maybe 'the man' is not a man at all, but instead a machine
buoyant heart
hmmmm
earnest glade
I think Tartarus could be an AI
sinful wraith
I think this "man" is the thing we all worship
earnest glade
Maybe they refer to Tartarus as a facility controlled by an AI named Tartarus
It could also be the olympus transmitter
sinful wraith
we're brain washed thinking we owe something to him and even accept to do all this stuff
for him
earnest glade
Yup, maybe there isn't a him
sinful wraith
it w/e
also this is the name of a soundtrack for the isle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN8RNIDb9r4
and I think the name is for something
turbid escarp
arent the song old?
sinful wraith
9 months, but since title names refer as something large, we can still keep the concept
maybe the acts change or didn't go like planned at that time, but I think the idea of a god and him doing something is still canon
also this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UYURvKWq2M
which I think refer to us profiles
accepting to die again and again
this comes from Khorn actually
earnest glade
Like a pheonix
turbid escarp
Maybe the acts of god refers to the test subjects escaping punishing those who have torture them
earnest glade
Possibly
sinful wraith
I don,t think so
I think the god is the thing we all worship
and we know in the past we heard things about isle walker
and primordials
that are huge and probably there before AE
turbid escarp
What if phoenix corporation are the ones whho created the dinosaurs?
sinful wraith
I heard that PC isn't really related to lore anymore
so I don't want to get on that
turbid escarp
oh
What if tartarus was the primordial?
In greek mithology Tartarus was the third of the primordial deities
turbid escarp
Tartarus was the third of the primordial deities, following after Chaos and Gaia
hmmm
versed rain
Forgive me for being out of touch. But I'm confused. What are Tartarus, Chaos, and Gaia and what do they mean in the isle? I've heard about them a bit.
earnest glade
Tartarus is a facility of some kind. Gaia and Chaos are just speculation atm but they derive from Greek mythos
They're also all Titans who lived before the Gods
versed rain
Code hades is hyper Carnotaurus, correct?
Which is also derived from Greek mythology?
blazing lynx
yes
earnest glade
Yup
turbid escarp
What if apollo engineering did horrible things before like torturing people and creating monstruosities, but now is trying to seek forgiveness?
earnest glade
I think we're going to find most of our answers in greek mythology
versed rain
What about Allfather (magnatyrannus) Thronebreaker (hyper Rex) and Alphonse (hypo Quetz?)
Are those from Greek mythology as well?
blazing lynx
I mean
Allfather is Odin
versed rain
Or something else
blazing lynx
which is norse
earnest glade
Thats very true
turbid escarp
In greek mithology apollo was send to tartarus, but was later freed by zeus
versed rain
Tartarus could be explained as a sort of prison, right?
blazing lynx
Tartarus is a prison
versed rain
In Greek mythology, I'm not too familiar with it
versed rain
So like the underworld
turbid escarp
no it is deeper than the underworld itself
versed rain
So, hyper Carnotaurus and Tartarus must be connected, if Carno is hades
blazing lynx
One of the greek philosophers (maybe Aristotle, started with an A) said that it took a full week to reach the bottom
versed rain
That's a possibility.
turbid escarp
I think there might be more than one primordial and that tartarus is one of them
versed rain
If Zeus freed Apollo from Tartarus
versed rain
Then who was Zeus, and Apollo?
turbid escarp
Im talking primordials in the isle lore
blazing lynx
It would make the most sense for Zeus to be a flier of some kind due to his domain
turbid escarp
Im thinking zeus is the hypo rex
versed rain
Isn't hyper Rex Thronebreaker?
turbid escarp
Because AllFather is the magnatyrannus which could refer to cronos and hypo rex would be throne breaker which would refer to zeus defeating cronos
versed rain
But hyper Rex was killed by the magna, at least in the reveal.
blazing lynx
i mean
Zeus could only win by tricking his father
and releasing all of the other gods
he wasnt as strong
and
Cronus was the father of all of the original gods
which would make him the allfather
buoyant heart
hmmmm
turbid escarp
So what if apollo engineering did horrible things and now seek forgiveness?
versed rain
Wait. I think I heard somewhere that magna is the perfected version of hyper Rex
sinful wraith
I don't think AE is looking for forgiveness
turbid escarp
Maybe but in greek mithology apollo was send to tartarus but he was later freed by zeus
earnest glade
Well that wasn't forgiveness. Zeus still punished Apollo by sending him to work on a farm
But he thought sending him to Tartarus was too cruel
As Apollo was his son
earnest glade
Which ones?
turbid escarp
the ones of the ilse lore
turbid escarp
I mean I guess tartarus is a primordial
icy onyx
@turbid escarp no
I thought we already
had this convo on what we most likely belive tartarus is
turbid escarp
?
turbid escarp
No the isle lore
icy onyx
if youre talking about lore
foggy kindle
So we've already established that Tartarus = strains and cannibals; have we figured out what Olympus is yet? Does it stand for AE's human researchers, or does it stand for the possible overseer AI that potentially fucked everything up?
foggy kindle
^yep
blazing lynx
The place is also the primordial
foggy kindle
?
Tartarus is both a place and an entity in Greek mythology though?
is that what both of you were arguing about?
icy onyx
I understand
turbid escarp
That’s why I said Tartarus is a primordial because even if it is a place it can still be a primordial in the lore
icy onyx
I just thought we where making progress with the whole tartarus is the replicator system
I just dont see what evidence points to tartarus being strains
blazing lynx
I agree with that
turbid escarp
I didn’t said it was a strain...
blazing lynx
I don't see anything that points to tartarus being a strain
icy onyx
I thought they where most likely the actual series, ya know
foggy kindle
oh yeah, I definitely think that Tartarus isn't just referring to the place that contained the strains, but one of the the game's "gods" as well
it wouldn't surprise me
blazing lynx
My whole thing was that Tartarus is the codename for the lab possibly
I think that that could make a lot of sense
icy onyx
with what evidence
turbid escarp
What does me saying Tartarus being a primordial has to do with it being a strain?
foggy kindle
there are a handful of gods in Greek mythology that also happen to be the names of realms or places.
Gaia, Tartarus, Chaos...
blazing lynx
Well, there isn't any currently
But with what Tartarus is, and how we really have minimal evidence for a lot of what we are saying, I just think that it makes a lot of sense
Well
Gaia would be the isle
icy onyx
@turbid escarp wasn't talking to you when I said that.
turbid escarp
Oh
blazing lynx
Tartarus the lab
And chaos the strains?
blazing lynx
That sounds reasonable
Probably not correct
foggy kindle
yeah Gaia would be the Isle we know and play now. The "mortal realm" that contains normal dinosaurs and humans.
blazing lynx
but it sounds plausible
turbid escarp
Chaos could mean manipulation
foggy kindle
Chaos is the origin of all things in Greek mythology
blazing lynx
so
yeah
maybe that isn't correct
What if Chaos is another name/symbolic for the organization?
turbid escarp
Maybe chaos could mean them initiating the problem?
blazing lynx
true
foggy kindle
there's also Pontus (sea) and Uranus (sky)
foggy kindle
which ties in with Gaia, who's earth.
blazing lynx
Chaos is the actual operation
foggy kindle
IDK, I think chaos is an entity too.
blazing lynx
it very well could be
turbid escarp
What about Eros?
foggy kindle
I think it's the supposed overseer AI that potentially took over the entire operation and fucked everything up for its own means.
Eros is interesting, since it refers to a concept and not a place.
turbid escarp
What if it was the solution
dull basalt
It’s supposed to be a machine with a mind right
blazing lynx
Eros is cupid
dull basalt
Like it thinks on its own
blazing lynx
greek cupid
foggy kindle
Eros as the solution... interesting.
blazing lynx
right?
foggy kindle
Eros is the concept of love... could tie into the supposed mastermind AI's goal, which is to create the perfect organism by bringing everything together, right?
turbid escarp
Or Eros could bring forgiveness maybe?
The solution for those who have been tortured
foggy kindle
or at least that's the impression I got when "they" or whatever it is, put everything on The Isle into some evolutionary purgatory deathmatch, lol
Eros as forgiveness for Tartarus then? The strains were once normal creatures that were horribly experimented on.
foggy kindle
like, we already know that the 3 main "gods" of the strains (Echidna, Colossus, Reaper, etc) were once actual humans at some point.
so they were definitely punished and tortured.
in a way.
turbid escarp
Yeah plus I heard somewhere the hypo giga feels pain when splitting it jaw
So possibly the strains still suffer after the experimentation
foggy kindle
that too, along with strains being unstable and prone to a short lifespan in general.
turbid escarp
And how could Erebus fit in?
summer helm
Well
earnest glade
I personally don't think the Titans mean anything of note just yet. I think Tartarus and maybe Chaos do. But I think trying to wedge in all of them isn't the way to think about things. Idk mioght just be me
foggy kindle
that makes me wonder though. Since the 3 main strain reps were once humans at some point, were they just random victims who happened to become test subjects for AE, or were they actually important people directly connected to AE, and therefore "punished" for their attempts to sabotage or control whatever's at "Olympus?"
turbid escarp
I think the 3 main strains where people with contrary ideas to A.E
foggy kindle
Erebus is the primordial god of darkness
turbid escarp
in the Bible the angels with contrary views where send to Tartarus for going against god
Erebus could be the failed attempt of a solution maybe?
summer helm
Tartarus was a translation of Hell for the Bible
foggy kindle
either way it seems like something that would be directly connected to Tartarus or Chaos
summer helm
It’s not the same as Tartarus in Greek
foggy kindle
the whole "darkness" theme and all that.
summer helm
Tartarus was the prison of the Titans
foggy kindle
yep
summer helm
I wonder
foggy kindle
the underworld was more or less Greek mythology's version of Hell for mortals, IIRC
summer helm
How many primary Titans are in Greek mythology
foggy kindle
IIRC, Tartarus was a hell that was reserved for immortals, titans, gods, monsters, deities and etc.
foggy kindle
facility?
summer helm
There is the Olympus transmitter, Tartarus, Gateway, and others I am forgetting
turbid escarp
So for sumarry chaos would be the project the begging you may as well say Gaia would be the island Tartarus the lab Eros the solution and Erebus the failed attempt of said solution?
foggy kindle
I'm guessing the gateway is connected to Tartarus and/or the underworld then. I wonder if it has its own "guard" like it did in Greek Mythology.
foggy kindle
yep, that's what I'm wondering too.
turbid escarp
The gateway is interesting because in technology a gateway is a way to share information
But there is also something called a gateway cloning machine
summer helm
We get mixed imagery about the Gateway
I believe it’s 2 things at once
A security complex and a analogy
fossil lily
I feel like if we find The Gateway. We will find the Terminal
foggy kindle
seems like cloning & genetics and shared tech-related information are connected to each other?
summer helm
I think it’s more Gateway leads to the Facility at Large
foggy kindle
I mean, that's what the death screen and the whole "REPLICATE" process seems to imply.
summer helm
What was as the name of the Gateway of Olympus
turbid escarp
fossil lily
Though that could be a coincidence but as of right now. It is a good lead until proven false
summer helm
You may be close
earnest glade
There are 12 primary gods and 12 primary titans in Greek mythos
summer helm
I think Dondi has taken some ideas from Fallout with regards to the FEV and strains
fossil lily
Still waiting for another console stream
foggy kindle
death screen & general lore strongly implies that people have their minds/AI transferred into cloned bodies of humans, dinosaurs, etc. when that individual dies, their memory is brought back to the gateway to begin the replication process again and again. Hence the whole "purgatory" deal and the meaning of the music track's title "1000 year contract."
also, speaking of 1000 years
I think that's when the game actually takes place.
fossil lily
summer helm
So in short the Dino’s are getting much wiser
fossil lily
My guess is the Dinos are getting like flashes of their previous lives
foggy kindle
yeah, one of the loading screens implied something about V2 utah raptors being significantly more intelligent than V1 utah raptors
fossil lily
Possibly once they realize oh this is all pointless cause if they die they will just come back to life
foggy kindle
and regarding the time period... I think the game looks like it takes place in the near-future, but in reality The Isle is trapped in its own dated time-bubble and the game is actually taking place 1000 years into the future, exactly.
fossil lily
hmmmm
foggy kindle
hence "1000 year contract"
turbid escarp
I was thinking what if the old dinosaur model are canon?
foggy kindle
these minds have been trapped within The Isle's purgatory for 1000 years.
naive mountain
It's it 1000 life contract?
fossil lily
I feel like based on all of the technology, and machinery that is in The Isle
foggy kindle
something like that
naive mountain
Not years
fossil lily
it takes place in roughly modern times
turbid escarp
It’s a thousand life contract
foggy kindle
well then, my bad.
fossil lily
Possibly meaning they get to live 1,000 lifes
regal sundial
It's a metaphor
turbid escarp
But I think the old models are canon
fossil lily
that would not make senese speaking some of the old models are from TSL
foggy kindle
even then, it's still a lot of time when you consider how long the average human lifespan is.
regal sundial
I've got a incoherent notepad of ideas, information and theories I could try and better string together in a bit
Thing is profiles live intentionally short fast and brutal lives
foggy kindle
and I assume the game still takes place in the distant future if enough time has passed to the point where humans/tribals have evolved to be more barbaric
turbid escarp
The old models could be old versions could be more outdated versions and the new models more updated versions
regal sundial
Takes pressure to turn coal to diamond
foggy kindle
@turbid escarp yeah the loading screens with the v1 and v2 dinos seems to imply such
turbid escarp
In Jurassic Park novel the dinosaurs are classified by versions so
Why not the isle?
fossil lily
though the loading screens have been said that they are outdated
So I would not take the loading screens too seriously
turbid escarp
Maybe each time we spawn we spaw. As an updated version
foggy kindle
sounds about right
edgy pike
You remember when Dondi said something about what if we are all part of a collection of consciousness and none of us had a clue what he was on about
Well
Yeah
regal sundial
Every time you die you improve the design essientially
Patch the fatal flaw
In yourself
And the replicator in the dinosaurs
fossil lily
Hence how AE is slightly pushing their dinos in the right direction.
foggy kindle
us being a collection of consciousness implies so many things though. Could be referring to AI singularity, The Isle's ever-evolving ecosystem, AE's purpose to create the ultimate life form, all three... hard to say. didn't Dondi admit that he took inspiration from Annihilation though, or said that the whole evolutionary deal was something akin to that? Don't remember.
edgy pike
So I tried using the discord search thing to find Dondi saying that but it doesn’t go back far enough oof
pallid junco
Might’ve been said in the old discord, too
edgy pike
Actually yeah
tribal trench
I've seen annihilation. It's... Interesting, to say the least
buoyant heart
OH I LOVE THAT MOVIE
cinder atlas
Stay on topic.
buoyant heart
sorry ;.;
cinder atlas
No worries. Just making sure a tangent doesn't go way off the path :p
naive mountain
Tartarus could be a massive underground facility containing the islands with the replicator and gateway close to/on the surface, and if the dropping in from the sky with parachutes/dinosaurs in cages is still going to be a thing, this makes sense as the gateway would be in the sky (on the ceiling).
Probably not, but just a thought.
slow delta
are there any in game clues to look for or are we left to blindly speculate at this point?
naive mountain
Speculation mainly, although it wouldn't surprise me if there were in game clues
I haven't played much recently so haven't looked too deeply.
blazing lynx
from what I have seen, most everything in here is from cryptic dondi messages and loading screens
lol
slow delta
hmm
would be fun to have something concrete to look for
ever since the magnatyrannus reveal the easter egg hunts have been very fruitless
supple dome
Bunkers, towers, signs, markings, sheds, domes, wind turbines, statues, data logs, hidden texts, all this can be found in game
naive mountain
Hidden texts?
supple dome
In the loading screens , death screens, menus etc
naive mountain
Oh those
sinful wraith
You should always try to go to radio tower after each update
That’s what I did, but I’m not sure I found something
past trench
I think I was talking to a few people before and at the tower on one of the maps they had an image of something in the sky. We weren’t sure what it was