Then locked the titans except atlas in tartarus
#isle-lore-theories
sinful wraith
would be cool to know when the transmissions will come
harsh oasis
Huh, well
regal sundial
Hera, Poseidon, Demeter, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Ares, Aphrodite, Hephaestus, Hermes, and Dionysus.
According to wikipedia
Also hades got the underworld
harsh oasis
Wait, isn't there Code: Tartarus?
harsh oasis
That's where Zeus had put the titans
regal sundial
It's some form of facilities or facility people guess
harsh oasis
I'd assume it'd do with something more than just a building
regal sundial
Tartarus referenced when they talked about the matriarch and maybe colossus?
regal sundial
The issue with interpreting the console stream
Is we have no perspective
On what is responding
harsh oasis
Someone or something that wanted to warn us
I believe I heard
Dondi did talk about the Isle going into a much more horrifying and darker place than ever before
regal sundial
When was that said though?
regal sundial
And when Khorne asked where he was it said Island Three then when he asked where is Tartarus it said he (or his Profile at least) was in Tartarus
buoyant heart
I just half expect to look up at the sky enough and have a literal gateway appear...though i wonder if anything from this will manifest in physical form in game...
regal sundial
And when asked about Gateway it said
proper steppe
So
regal sundial
Facility holding that transports EIP to Tartarus
proper steppe
Everybody thinks that nobody logged in because we're not getting anywhere in here
harsh oasis
EIP?
nimble cape
I would look into the tweets harder
regal sundial
Embryo Intelligence Profile
nimble cape
but im lazy and dumb
regal sundial
The player basically
harsh oasis
So, if Code: Tartarus is completed then the "Titans" are released?
I'd assume that's what it means
regal sundial
Eurgh?
harsh oasis
But maybe i'm being dumb
regal sundial
Tartarus is the name for a place or group of places, it's not really something to be completed
nimble cape
What if you need to talk to olympus?
buoyant heart
I feel like we just need to keep re reading those tweets and something will click
regal sundial
The stream does mention tho that once a profile is completed
The Matriarch will dsitribute through tartarus
And uh
The next stage will start
Or phase or whatever I think?
harsh oasis
The next stage?
grizzled dune
"THE FIRST PROFILE TO REACH THE NEXT PHASE SHALL CHOOSE REPLICATION. REPLICATION IS THE COUNTER-BALANCE TO FORCE EVOLUTION OF A PROFILE.
PROFILES WILL ADAPT AND OVERCOME THE OBSTACLES OR THEY WILL REMAIN OBSOLETE.
IN YOUR NEXT PHASE, POSEIDON WILL RISE FROM THE DEPTHS AND CONSUME THE WORLD.
IN YOUR FINAL PHASE, HADES WILL RISE FROM THE UNDERWORLD AND PHANTOMS WILL FILL THE SKY."
regal sundial
Phase one: All-father
Phase two: Thronebreaker (Poseidon?)
Phase three: Alphonse
Phase four: Replicate (Hades?)
(Phase five: Poseidon?)
(Phase six: Hades?)
My interpretation of the next step from that and the console stream's four listed phases
harsh oasis
The first profile to reach the next phase shall choose replication. Replication. Hm, I wonder what is it that will be replicated
sweet zephyr
last time it was the magnarex.
sinful wraith
you're going way too far guys
harsh oasis
You don't know, it's still speculation
regal sundial
Dino said the tweets are important
sinful wraith
death screen is outdated, menu is outdated so does the console stream
harsh oasis
I'm not trying to refer to the death screen or the menu
i'm referring to the tweets
Some old ones
But those aren't needed
let's just worry about the new ones for now
Olympus talks about something we lost
regal sundial
Humanity?
supple dome
We already know throne breaker is the hyper rex
We already know throne breaker is the hyper rex
regal sundial
Memories?
regal sundial
Could mean any of those things
harsh oasis
Just gotta narrow it down
harsh oasis
Yeah.
So not that.
But it does talk about breaking someone down and turning them into whatever you want.
harsh oasis
Yeah.
regal sundial
These human consciousnesses the replicator is experimenting on
Once being normal human beings
harsh oasis
Yeah.
regal sundial
Then being stripped of their body, memories and identity
Put into some kind of digital purgatory maybe
harsh oasis
Yeah.
regal sundial
I just don't see where you take the tweets beyond these kinds of narrative snippits
harsh oasis
Well whoever made those clever little tweets meant for it to do that.
proper steppe
The profiles are very obviously supposed to connect to us
I forgot the term
Metagame?
regal sundial
ARG?
regal sundial
Metagame is the game inside of a game
proper steppe
No, that isn't
regal sundial
Like the economy in counterstrike
proper steppe
"Metagaming is any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game, or goes beyond the supposed limits or environment set by the game."
Definition of metagame from wikipedia
last definition fits what I'm talking about
The profiles are us
harsh oasis
That seems right
regal sundial
There's a few meanings
hearty mulch
Yeh. The number of profiles seems to correlate with isle copies purchased.
regal sundial
That's because profiles are players
proper steppe
Anything and everything connecting to profiles is likely to be an in-lore explanation for something we do as players
For instance
The recording of data when we die? That explains how we can learn from fatal mistakes
harsh oasis
You're making really good points
proper steppe
Because, you know, a real animal wouldn't learn from a mistake if a mistake killed it
The only thing I haven't seen an in-lore explanation for is how we can communicate with each other outside of the game, like we're doing right now
harsh oasis
So, we did discuss our consciousness going inside of an AI.
Where we all meet and wait to be brought back or something along those lines.
But, that's just speculation
regal sundial
Herp you've talked about this before
I think there probably is some connection between the discord community and some inlore thing
But I don't think it's tartarus
harsh oasis
Yeah.
But Olympus did say they were a warning too, so this is all some kind of warning
But nevermind that
regal sundial
The narrative of the transmitter seems to have made a 120* turn honestly
harsh oasis
Yeah.
regal sundial
From the do not answer the call
And we are a warning not a distress
To existential writing
harsh oasis
Yeah.
regal sundial
And practically goading people in
harsh oasis
"From here everything feels insignificant. It's easy to see why they all lost their way."
So did us, profiles, lose our way?
regal sundial
People have guessed that's the transmitter speaking to the person that logged in about us
Or to us/itself about us
Or about the cannibals
harsh oasis
Could be referring to those who had the idea of the dinosaurs and the islands, etc.
regal sundial
Could be talking about AE yeah
nimble cape
this shit is too jumbled
nimble cape
many different topics on multiple levels all seperated from eachother
so much shit that it's even hard to compile
no reference for a timeline or for half of these words
I'm honestly just waiting for this game to actually get into a more cohesive arg
because right now i don't really give a shit because of how annoying it is to figure out
i'm letting everyone else do the work
sounds cool af
but rn its too confusing to care
harsh oasis
It is, but it's making it even harder that we keep jumping around.
Even though we acknowledge this we still do it
regal sundial
Hard part is a lot of people aren't fully clued in
So usually every time a discussion happens
Someone new also has to get brought up to speed on stuff
With that ontop of how jumbled stuff is like you mentioned
It's really tough
I wish it was as easy as morse like it was before I got involved ๐ข
harsh oasis
Yeah..
sinful wraith
I think this is better than morse
regal sundial
It just doesn't seem like there's anything below this first layer on the tweets?
Like they don't appear to be something like a riddle
Unless you have to frankenstein together stuff
Out of the order they were posted in
regal sundial
They have a potential continuum to their narratives
But even together they don't give much of an insight on the big picture
Besides the one confirming profiles are controling dinosaur bodies
nimble cape
vague
harsh oasis
Yeah.
Then we just simply find a path to start, and work our way up.
ARGs only form because someone figures this entire thing out
If everyone gives up then there will be no ARGs
nimble cape
it's cool that someone managed to log in
harsh oasis
Yeah it is
nimble cape
but i have no idea how
harsh oasis
Me either
nimble cape
im pretty sure it's something outside of the game we aren't really thinking about
harsh oasis
Dino did say something about the log screen
nimble cape
where you need to enter something
or look for something within something outside of the game
harsh oasis
Didn't they?
nimble cape
relating to the olympus transmitter
harsh oasis
Yeah
but it boggles my mind that, whomever logged in started out in one place and found something we all didn't
nimble cape
"just sayin' the olympus transmitter is the place to look for clues, the death screen hasn't been updated in some time."
Gotta think outside the box I think
proper steppe
Just because we can't do it doesn't mean that it can't be done
harsh oasis
100% agreed, Herp
I like your outlook
It all comes down to finding a place to start.
Atleast I think, unless we already have one
regal sundial
I also don't get how someone else starting from the same place we are at
Made these like, 100000 IQ dot connections to logging in
harsh oasis
Yeah, that's the thing
They knew something we didn't. But it also must've taken time to figure out how to log in.
Like Broken says, something maybe outside of the game
So, the login obviously hasn't been tampered with in a long time. But we also do need to figure out what we want to do first.
Find out how to get into the Terminal, or figure out what Olympus is talking about?
There are two choices
regal sundial
Well straight forward trying to get into the terminal seems like we've not really got something to start with and olympus' tweets probably lead you towards getting into the terminal
harsh oasis
Alright then, we know that getting into the terminal should be the same as it has.
regal sundial
It probably just takes the right tidbits of knowledge and perspective of viewing the tweets to have it click
Some writer
Or book
harsh oasis
To find the answer?
regal sundial
To see the deeper meaning
Beyond these fragments of narrative we've discerned as a face value interpretation
harsh oasis
To what Olympus is talking about, hm.
So then, there must be many ways of looking at these things.
regal sundial
Like I know "What does a machine dream of?" is a reference to Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?/bladerunner
Maybe other tweets are references to other media?
Maybe the story of the book is relevant to the isle?
harsh oasis
So, something about Ai going rampid?
Becoming aware
So you think figuring this out will give us the answer to the Terminal?
regal sundial
Or at least a fresh solid concrete footing to work off of
harsh oasis
Yeah.
harsh oasis
I wonder, why it took so long for someone to get into the terminal
especially after having so many tweets on July 2nd.
Then July 3rd someone got in.
Why not before then?
Why not earlier?
sweet zephyr
that is obvious, the transmitter gave them Something
harsh oasis
That's what i'm saying, Multi.
regal sundial
How would the person controling the transmitter know to keep posting stuff though?
How would they know the person understood
harsh oasis
I don't think they did
proper steppe
Why would it need to know?
regal sundial
Why would there be such a sudden burst of tweets right before someone logged in?
The devs just got tired of waiting?
harsh oasis
Yeah, that is true.
proper steppe
The sudden burst happened independently of the logging in
sweet zephyr
its the other way around most likely.
proper steppe
The player likely logged in because of the tweets, the tweets did not happen because the player was close to logging in
hearty mulch
We'd like to know
proper steppe
By being smarter than us?
sweet zephyr
that is what we need to find out.
harsh oasis
Yes.
proper steppe
Just because we can't do it doesn't mean nobody can do it
regal sundial
More knowledgable at least
harsh oasis
They know more than us, they obviously didn't discard things from the past
When did the terminal first appear?
Anyone know for sure?
grizzled dune
6 months ago IIRC.
Judging from this video : https://youtu.be/aLv63Oo6BvE?t=1m19s
Dec 21st
harsh oasis
Okay, so December to July 3rd.
hearty mulch
Started on the old discord though
harsh oasis
Yeah.
That's a pain in the ass.
So it has something to do with the lore
but would the lore even give us the answer to the terminal?
How to get in, I mean
I don't know
harsh oasis
So some parts.
Then possibly it'd be best to refer to the tweets from July 2nd to the 3rd, and the old lore?
Narrow down what might be garbage and what could possibly help
I wonder if the Dev kit could be involved.
proper steppe
Two people nearly logged in way before this, I wonder if this one guy is one of those two?
harsh oasis
You never know
They haven't come out and said anything nor will the devs even say who it is.
regal sundial
Galli and Khorne are the two that were the closest before
Khorne said it wasn't him
And I don't know if galli is even active anymore
harsh oasis
Well, they were the closest to getting in before right?
proper steppe
We don't know that, fox
The console streams might not have technically be connected to logging in
harsh oasis
Well, we wouldn't know
proper steppe
The two that got close got close to logging in the same way this guy has, through the button or something
regal sundial
I remember someone important saying only two people have effected the terminal/console
And one of them was khorne
proper steppe
They were in the console stream, that does not mean they logged in
novel kindle
-Since the discussion here has calmed down, in the main menu if you click on the "NEWS" button there's something scrolling by in the top left. It looks like writing but its small and i can't tell what it says; havent noticed it being mentioned here so thought i'd put it here in case it helps somehow
The login button there is also the only one in the menus that is still cracked and unusable, though if you click on it, it does kinda jiggle a bit.
twin vale
you're going in circles
sinful wraith
thought the menu screen was not canon
sinful wraith
also idk why, but it's the only button not translated
magic elbow
Well we were talking about stuff and then dino came in and gave us a hint and then we started going back to the menu again
harsh oasis
Oh
confused dino
with something else.
Yeah, he said we haven't
So, I really don't know what to do. Like they said we're going in circles.
magic elbow
I'm going to go over the tweets on the Olympus transmitter and try to piece them together
harsh oasis
Alrighty
buoyant heart
Urrrk I feel like we are missing something....like the answer is right in front of us
harsh oasis
It may be
sinful wraith
it probably is
harsh oasis
Just takes the right person to see it
sinful wraith
we're missing one thing
buoyant heart
e.e this whole thing is giving me a headache
buoyant heart
Nod*
harsh oasis
I'm glad that dino is atleast trying to set us on the right path
buoyant heart
Problem is its been working like this for the past wook...
harsh oasis
Well, like dino said
buoyant heart
Yeah thank god for that
harsh oasis
The tweets, we aren't looking at them as closely as we should
buoyant heart
.>
harsh oasis
So instead of listening to that and not understanding them, we jumped to something else and went in a loop
If @magic elbow you need assistance, tell me
I'll try to help
magic elbow
Yeah if you want you can help by reading over some of the recent tweets. Maybe there is something like directions or a clue
magic elbow
I think "either you die or they do" could give the profiles an incentive to be a stronger creature
harsh oasis
Most likely
I'm putting all the tweets into a notepad so it doesn't hurt my brain as much.
Just what is said.
magic elbow
"The first generation turned to worship. Results were hindered by the malignant passing down stories of how they came to be" Maybe whatever this first generation could be it might be the tribals?
harsh oasis
Well it mentions Echidna.
magic elbow
Yeah
harsh oasis
The mother of the Cannibals
magic elbow
So the first generation of cannibals?
magic elbow
Yeah
harsh oasis
So, could be something to do with Echidna's nuero abilities
"After the fifteenth cycle their stories compiled into an archive they handed down through the generations. As their mental plateau deteriorated advanced cognitive functions, only the most basic and violent ideologies remained."
Possibly continuing that tweet about Echidna
magic elbow
Yeah, maybe the echidna turns cannibals into violent killers. Due to the echidna's neuro abilities maybe it controls the cannibals
harsh oasis
Well, we know or have speculated Cannibals were previously human beings.
So, maybe Echidna is like a marker from The Dead Space series
Turning people into mindless monsters
magic elbow
Yeah! We maybe getting at something here.
Its odd that after the tweet "Chaos is the surest form of control" it says "Greetings, user." Kind of weirdly placed.
harsh oasis
"Greetings, User", someone got into the terminal
But Chaos is the surest form of control
I don't know
magic elbow
I wonder if whoever got into the terminal can communicate with the transmitter
harsh oasis
Well, we don't know
hopefully one day soon we find out
But, it seems that Echidna does infect those who have been exposed to any Type-N bio materials or herself included.
So the Type-N strain is an infectious one
magic elbow
Yeah
harsh oasis
"All Type-N Bio-Assets studies are halted of ---. Final studies are to be concluded beneath atrium B within -----. Any personnel exposed to direct contact with any Type-N Bio-materials are to be considered expendable and expunged along with any biological contaminants from code Echidna---- Do not replicate."
grizzled dune
Biological Contaminant Definition:
https://gyazo.com/fb80ff1ccb44a648f64549726bcd7a2d
harsh oasis
So, it's like a fungus
Thanks, Extra
Huh, I'm suprised they give this info on Nueros, but none on any of the other strains.
I like it.
magic elbow
I'm sure the neuro strain can help us advance the story. Seems to be what some of these tweets are about
harsh oasis
Maybe
fossil lily
Makes sense that maybe the way you turn into a Strain Dino or Humanoid is getting the bacteria within you. Then it the effects of that bacteria causes rapid mutation and rapid growth in the body
Somewhat like a major virus
regal sundial
I'm curious what atrium A is for
I'm curious what atrium A is for
Since B was the aquatics lab
I'm curious what atrium A is for
I'm curious what atrium A is for
I'm curious what atrium A is for
regal sundial
oof that network fuckery with a billion resends
harsh oasis
Oof
harsh oasis
So the hypers were moved to Atrium C, they possibly could've been previously in Atrium A and security issues probably arose
That could be 100% wrong though.
Or maybe Atrium A is where the experiments are held at.
Then whatever the outcome may be, they get transferred to a different location
fossil lily
The question is tho
harsh oasis
Why
fossil lily
What was previously held in Atrium C
regal sundial
Just the flying animals primarily?
regal sundial
Also Chaos is the second word in CCH
harsh oasis
What's the first word?
harsh oasis
How did you figure this out?
regal sundial
Taterfi's site
harsh oasis
Ah.
regal sundial
Yeah
harsh oasis
Wow
regal sundial
Guess there have been no other hints besides dondi giving out chaos that would actually lead people to being able to work on the other two themselves like what CCH is refering or related to so all people can do is speculate
regal sundial
Maybe it's just no longer relevant so dondi didn't bother
regal sundial
Or we didn't look hard enough in the right places
harsh oasis
Yeah, that could be it
regal sundial
Yeah assuming dino isn't like, gaslighting us the tweets are majorly important
harsh oasis
Yup, those should be our main focus
You looking into those aswell?
Actually
CCH, I could figure that out
7 letters, 5 letters, then 4
Chaos is in the middle and control was mentioned along side chaos
Control happens to have 7 letters
Control Chaos ____
regal sundial
Thing is there's a lot of words that could fit
sweet zephyr
H...
regal sundial
And there's no way to know for sure
harsh oasis
Well, Chaos is the surest form of control Olympus said.
regal sundial
But dondi said it also doesn't have to be a actual sentence as well
grizzled dune
^
regal sundial
That's true
harsh oasis
That's true.
sweet zephyr
Hm.
grizzled dune
Might not be a collective statement
sweet zephyr
HTNM perhaps ?
regal sundial
The tweet is what made me think of CCH
harsh oasis
HTNM?
sweet zephyr
The strains.
harsh oasis
Well then
magic elbow
Wow
regal sundial
I think we actually figured something out
sweet zephyr
still doesn't get us anywhere.
harsh oasis
Yeah, It doesn't.
sweet zephyr
answers one question, opens two more.
harsh oasis
Yeah it truly does.
regal sundial
@grizzled dune What was that first thing you linked?
grizzled dune
This one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histamine_N-methyltransferase
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/3176
sweet zephyr
neurons, P much
harsh oasis
So we've possibly figured out what CCH stands for and we've learned the Type-N strain is like a fungus.
regal sundial
I don't know what we figured out exactly but it seems important
harsh oasis
Maybe
regal sundial
I'd never seen that tweet from dondi before
harsh oasis
It seems familiar
proper steppe
How do we know either of those?
regal sundial
But HMNT DEFINITELY isn't a coincidence
proper steppe
Dondi hasn't confirmed that we got CCH right, and when was neurotenic specifically a fungus?
regal sundial
Chaos was confirmed by dondi as the middle word
fossil lily
It does make sense for the Strains to be like Bacteria, or Fungi
harsh oasis
Well, I used the loading screen and one of the recent tweets.
nimble cape
dont think it has too much significance
regal sundial
And we guessed control because of the transmitter's tweet
fossil lily
Explains how a person or creature would become a Strain Creature
harsh oasis
Well you can never be sure, Broken. Some times the smallest things could have the biggest meaning
proper steppe
Why is it specifically a fungus, though? Why not a bacterium or a virus?
Hell, even an enzyme?
hearty mulch
prions r funny
harsh oasis
Well, i'm not saying it's exactly a fungus
it could be anyone of those
My apologies
sinful wraith
I think you got how strains works
proper steppe
So you group Bacteria, Viruses, Prions, and Enzymes to be similar to fungus?
sinful wraith
histamine is what react in an allergic reaction
hearty mulch
i wonder if they logged in by using devbranch or legacy ๐ค
harsh oasis
No..
sinful wraith
and HNMT creates histamine
what if it was a reaction from when someone injectes something to you
harsh oasis
Look i'm not too familiar with all this sciencie stuff, I apologize if I get a few things wrong.
regal sundial
@hearty mulch Terminal isn't in legacy
sinful wraith
I did study in science, but I don,t tihnk it will get us nowhere
regal sundial
So it was either Stable or Dev
sinful wraith
but I think this can lead us to how strains work
sinful wraith
histamine also works as a neurotransmitter
harsh oasis
Hm, this should be some use
But, it's probably of best interest to not repeat what has happened earlier by going somewhere else. It's best to stick to the tweets
It'd be harder to solve things
@magic elbow how ya doin?
Any new developments?
harsh oasis
Yeah, that is true.
magic elbow
Still going through the tweets, its obvious whoever logged in probably got the info from the tweets recently
harsh oasis
Yeah, that's what we assumed.
Seeing it be odd that there be a release of tweets then have there be someone who gets into the terminal.
Has anyone have any knowledge on, "The man you owe cannot collect his debt."
That has seemed to be ignored
icy onyx
Death?
icy onyx
I mean you die then you can possible you know, become alive again.
regal sundial
No matter how many times we die we never truely do
harsh oasis
Thanks to that mysterious AI
regal sundial
That's probably related to the >HELP ME on the death screen as well
harsh oasis
True, but the thing is, why do we owe him?
harsh oasis
Well, as soon as I said that I realized that.
I wonder why they'd want to convert us?
You gotta admit, that's pretty odd and a bit sadistic?
sweet zephyr
not if its the computer handling it.
harsh oasis
That's true.
sweet zephyr
you take a personality, and you throw it into the system.
so it could refer to ''the man you owe'' as in
the man who led you to this situation.
or to how we are rn.
sweet zephyr
we didn't make it.
we are a part of what it wants to do.
better refered to as Pawns.
regal sundial
He means in a general sense I think
sweet zephyr
how would so many personalities form an AI ?
regal sundial
No like
harsh oasis
it took it's Order and misinterpreted it over time, having more and more human minds inside of wherever they're kept, slowly the Ai could've become faulty and questioned it's existence and it keeps repurposing us, into dinosaurs, cannibals, people, etc. to possibly go against whomever made it?
Something along those lines
icy onyx
Since they are behind all of this I think
harsh oasis
But could the AI have gone against AE and became independent, thus bearing it's teeth to it's maker?
regal sundial
I don't think that's clear
It'd fit the greek myth titan war hunch I have
AE are the titans
harsh oasis
Like Olympus said, it made a human inside of a dinosaur believe what the AI wanted was what they had wanted?
harsh oasis
I like the direction this is going in
regal sundial
Olympians lock titans in Tartarus
harsh oasis
But there are a few gaps
harsh oasis
I have an idea but I can not articulate it, just something feels off
but I have a feeling we may be on the right track
God, hopefully Dondi doesn't destroy us too bad if we're wrong
But I wonder, is Olympus a person or an AI?
harsh oasis
Alright, so someone is communicating from the island then
dense meteor
So is there any reason for the mercs to be on the isle
harsh oasis
Yup.
regal sundial
It's all about humanity, empathy and whether machines are really alive or just a fake
harsh oasis
Well, if it's true the whole thing about AE being titans and AI being Olympians
possibly
But, code Tartarus is at like 35% I believe.
regal sundial
*Hades
harsh oasis
Yeah, oops.
regal sundial
That was just a inlore thing to say hypo carno was in the works tho I think? Although it clues us into the phases thing better potentially
sinful wraith
I'm reading something really interesting about genetic polymorphism
harsh oasis
Share, please
sinful wraith
In simple words, the term polymorphism was originally used to describe variations in shape and form that distinguish normal individuals within a species from each other. Genetic polymorphism is actively and steadily maintained in populations by natural selection, in contrast to transient polymorphisms where a form is progressively replaced by another.
harsh oasis
So what does this do for us?
sinful wraith
I think the isles have a big role in natural selection
harsh oasis
Natural selection?
regal sundial
So it's like how different dogs are the same species but massively different in appearance?
harsh oasis
Hm
sinful wraith
and genetic polymorphism is kinda when species adopt a certain thing to survive better in their enviromentยธ
and it's all about genes
sinful wraith
and I think AE is hardly working on genetic
I'm trying to get what being scientific websites are saying, but it's hard. But I think HNMT is able to polymorph
or something like that
dense meteor
I mean there is the forced evolution thing
harsh oasis
Yeah, the forced evolution
regal sundial
Natural selection is like, the slow incrimental random tiny mutations from generation to generation that either succeed or fail, driving a species' evolution
harsh oasis
Why would they be forcing the evolution though too
sinful wraith
cause I tihnk AE is working on genes to accelerate that or make it better
and that would make sense
regal sundial
The replicator or the AI behind it wants to seemingly create the perfect organism, the completed profile
sinful wraith
no, but knowing on what they're working is a huge improvment
harsh oasis
Ah.
regal sundial
For some reason
sinful wraith
and the fact that the first letter of each types is bringing to all that genetic stuff can't be only a conincidence
regal sundial
^
harsh oasis
We're actually doing some pretty good progress
sinful wraith
also HNMT controls the level of histamine, and the less someone have histamine, the less they become intelligent
sweet zephyr
as far as we think, yes.
regal sundial
Not getting into the terminal but we're making steps
sinful wraith
their QI decrreases by a lot
harsh oasis
But Fox, doing this could help us understand the terminal too
sinful wraith
it could be related to the more violent ideologies
also the more generations you have, the worst it gets
sweet zephyr
inteligence doesn't always lead to violence.
though it did for the cannibals, it may not for the dinosaurs.
harsh oasis
That is true.
regal sundial
Histamine is involved in, besides alergic reactions, neural connections right? That's what I gathered skimming wikipedia
fossil lily
A lot of things can lead to violence
sinful wraith
It's hard to explain it to you cause my english is limited
harsh oasis
It's alright
sinful wraith
After the fifteenth cycle their stories compiled into an archive they handed down through the generations. As their mental plateau deteriorated advanced cognitive functions, only the most basic and violent ideologies remained.
regal sundial
The tweets also mention degrading intelligence
sinful wraith
but I think it ius related to this
regal sundial
Yeah
harsh oasis
Wait, so maybe that's what Echidna's ability is
sweet zephyr
don't go there.
harsh oasis
WELL
sweet zephyr
that is unnecessary.
fossil lily
If Histamine is involved in Neural connections possibly a form of Histamine if injected into creatures can cause a mutation that leads to the Type-N Specimens
harsh oasis
Yeah, true
sinful wraith
I think we hit something big boys
harsh oasis
Just a thought.
sweet zephyr
that makes even less sense buder.
sinful wraith
it became way less confusing
sweet zephyr
its not that simple most likely.
harsh oasis
That wasn't what I was trying to get at
sinful wraith
if only I could know if I'm going in the right direction
regal sundial
This olympus vs titans theory and the histamine are big I think
regal sundial
I doubt there's only one straight and narrow path to this stuff
Let's keep analyzing tweets?
Let's keep analyzing tweets?
fossil lily
I do feel like we are onto something Histamine
Possibly HTMN stands for something else
regal sundial
Neuros are psionic I thinnnk?
sinful wraith
also histamine has an impact on appetite
dense meteor
Strains?
sinful wraith
and it's a neurotransmetter, so the more you have, the more fast you can think
I thinl
it's speaking about psychological activities here
fossil lily
What are the side affects of possibly too much Histamine?
harsh oasis
Ah.
sinful wraith
I'll try to explain
harsh oasis
Well my idea is scrapped then.
dense meteor
Hypo strain has altered levels of hunger while the neuro strain has increases in inteligence
sweet zephyr
huh.
regal sundial
I think a believable theory is echidna took lab workers/tribals/whoever and exposed them to the goo and msnipulated their physical makeup gradually, although I don't think echidna is ever really portrayed as a villian
sinful wraith
there is a gene that has a big role in histamine production that is named HNMT. Histamine is a neurotransmetter so it's important to have a lot of them to react quickly. There is a gene disorder of HNMT that makes it work less strongly and the more generations you get with this disorder, the more your HNMT works worse so the less histamine you have, so the less "intelligent" you are
harsh oasis
Ah, well
sinful wraith
tried to be clear
harsh oasis
I get it.
sinful wraith
and I may be wrong
sweet zephyr
echidna was likely under control.
sweet zephyr
also why are we moving away from the terminal and back into echidna again -_-
harsh oasis
Yeah
sinful wraith
ik you guys were wanting to log in
harsh oasis
Yeah.
sinful wraith
but that was too important for me to let the opportunity go
regal sundial
I just want to get the big picture
harsh oasis
Maybe, the bigger picture will help us understand?
sinful wraith
and maybe the one that logged in figured that first
fossil lily
Hypo is Altered LARGE amount of strength for the sacrifice of hunger. Neuro is LARGE amounts of Intelligence for sacrifice of Defense/Attack. I think
regal sundial
So this is interesting to me
regal sundial
I think it's not incorrect assuming you need to get the big picture before you can login
dense meteor
Btw neuro doesnt make you weaker
regal sundial
And it's fine
harsh oasis
Yeah, because that person who got in
No way, he got in with just those tweets
right?
sweet zephyr
hm.
regal sundial
We just were investigating the cannibal tweets to their logical conclusion
dense meteor
Im jealous
sweet zephyr
if he did with those tweets he likely found a checkpoint of sorts.
harsh oasis
Yeah, precisely
sweet zephyr
something that made him understand he was going the right path.
harsh oasis
So he obviously had the big picture
sinful wraith
H substance" or "substance H" are occasionally used in medical literature for histamine or a hypothetical histamine-like diffusible substance released in allergic reactions of skin and in the responses of tissue to inflammation. I think it also maybe related to the hyper strains which has a thick skin
I think Hypo are individuals with too much histamine
regal sundial
Well the hyper H refers to hyperendocrin
regal sundial
Surely but it may be metaphorical
sinful wraith
I remember from my science class that endocrine refers to hormone aka histamine that is an hormone
so hyperendocrine means hyperhormonal
regal sundial
Correct
sinful wraith
omg
harsh oasis
True
fossil lily
I think we just figured out the name of Hypo
regal sundial
But there's a lot of horomones in the body
sinful wraith
but it could still refer to one hormone
harsh oasis
....
sinful wraith
if the name was hyperhistamine
regal sundial
They literally control just about every function
sweet zephyr
guess we are back to ignoring the terminal and back to strains.
sinful wraith
it would be too ez
proper steppe
HNMT is also an important enzyme/protein/thing for the cytosine in cells
regal sundial
I think the terminal is going to need babysteps
sinful wraith
by a lot
harsh oasis
Possibly
fossil lily
I do feel like we just accomplished something big though
sinful wraith
tbh I have difficulty to see how it could be something else
sweet zephyr
the hypo conclusions had already been taking awhile ago.
sinful wraith
exactly how we did?
sweet zephyr
I just wasn't paying attention long enough to remind you xD
harsh oasis
Yeah, that also crossed my head
sweet zephyr
not by you, but some time back.
harsh oasis
everything you said, was already said
sinful wraith
why didn't you tell me
harsh oasis
Eh, you were on a roll..
sinful wraith
I still think it is the truth tho
regal sundial
The reason hypos are big and aggressive is probably because they have abnormally high amounts of testosterone and growth related horomones
regal sundial
I think smashing our foreheads against the login button thoughtlessly isn't going to jack shit. We need to keep making these connections and analyzing tweets
harsh oasis
You'd think finding out how to get in the terminal is out of game, but possibly we need something in-game to also understand?
nevermind
sweet zephyr
?
regal sundial
I don't see what it'd be
regal sundial
Took the tweets at face value and went out on an urban myth ghost hunt
By all means keep it in mind
harsh oasis
I will
regal sundial
But I really think it's a dead end
harsh oasis
It most likely is
fossil lily
We all do deserve a pat on the back though for figuring out what may cause the Hypos to become what they become and their name meaning
harsh oasis
It had already been figured out
fossil lily
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fossil lily
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harsh oasis
It's fine, but Fox
regal sundial
@sinful wraith You should keep chiming in, that HMNT thing was good
harsh oasis
what do you think the mention of that tweet about Rage
@sinful wraith Yeah, you should
You did good
I'll be honest
harsh oasis
Just means you're a wise thinker
Like they say, great minds think alike
it's not a bad thing
But, do we know what tweets we've figured out so far?
or we think we have figured out?
"This is not the world as it is. This is the world as it was. The untouched land will break apart with monoliths of the past until time catches up with itself."
What might this be referring to?
sinful wraith
I have a theory
harsh oasis
Well lay it on me
sinful wraith
but this one is not verified at all
harsh oasis
Of course
fossil lily
Sometimes the most bizarre sounding theories can turn out to be correct ๐
harsh oasis
In some cases, you aren't wrong
regal sundial
All we have is theories
regal sundial
Just have to find the ones that make the most sense
sinful wraith
I think AE went into the past to inject human minds into dinosaurs, but also buffed these dinosaurs with genes, the only thing they needed after that was letting evolution doing his work and go through the generations. So I think we are right now in the time of before and one day time will catches with himself and we'll have these super buffed dinos for the modern times
idk they will wait 65 millions years, so maybe they have something to accelerate it
idk
ebon basalt
the dinosaurs aren't real
harsh oasis
Yeah..
sinful wraith
it could be a simulation of the past then
regal sundial
I dunno time travel is pretty out there
sinful wraith
right now we're in the same environment than it was 65 millions years before
harsh oasis
Well, Simi a simulation isn't a bad idea, but it's like Jurassic park. The dinosaurs did go extinct, but we brought them back.
ebon basalt
not really
regal sundial
I think it's refering to the story being told from different points in the timeline
regal sundial
I've never read it
harsh oasis
Neither have I
harsh oasis
Eh, well this tweet is a dead end for now
sinful wraith
VEGA is the name of a genome browser
and I think Dr Vega is the one that did the chemistry no?
harsh oasis
If he's still about of Lore
foggy kindle
the more info we get on The Isle's lore, the more I start to wonder if it's all just some kind of giant "West World situation," or something akin to it.
sinful wraith
it's nothing important, but I think this is again related
regal sundial
Dr. Vega is canon
harsh oasis
Then yes, he is involved I believe in genetics
foggy kindle
I'm starting to doubt if anything on the isles are real, at all. Mercs or human survivors included.
regal sundial
I think our profiles being in some kind of matrix-y deal (for now) is definite maybe
foggy kindle
and sorry for bringing that up into the current conversation
sinful wraith
Vega stands for Vertebrate Genome Annotation
foggy kindle
also this mention of AI... maybe some kind of AI-related strain in the future? I think Tapwing played around with the idea before she was officially hired as a dev.
regal sundial
As long as you have a serious constructive thought I welcome contributing
foggy kindle
Either way, AI seems like the end-game "final boss" to me, so to speak.
@regal sundial, alright, ty. thanks for understanding
proper steppe
Vega stands for Rodrigo Vega's last name
harsh oasis
Huh, so the AI, that came from the idea of the Affinity complex correct?
I seem to have forgotten how we came upon this idea earlier.
regal sundial
I think there's definitely a theme in the ARG of choosing whether you cooperate with the AI or resist
proper steppe
I feel like the final boss depends on what side you go with
foggy kindle
is it odd for me to say that the "affinity complex" mention inn the tweets immediately reminded me of the upcoming stress system that's supposed to be implemented in for herbivores and carnivores soon? lol
regal sundial
I don't see dondi as the sort of writer to make a final boss or explicitly, arbitrarily good/evil characters?
foggy kindle
because the tweet does mention that the dinosaurs weren't exactly behaving as they wanted them to, so they "conditioned" them to think there's only one way to go about things
fossil lily
My guess is each scientist could be considered Good and Bad
sinful wraith
ty herp
harsh oasis
They did also mention deconstructing them.
foggy kindle
even weirder, I'm seriously beginning to wonder if the "dinosaurs" are actually dinosaurs at all. Is it stupid of me to suspect that TI's dinosaurs might actually be sentient with intelligence akin to humans?
regal sundial
The conditioned tweet and affinity complex tweet are closely linked perhaps
harsh oasis
So, really this all suggests we should go against what we were conditioned to do.
regal sundial
I think it's a human consciousness in a dinosaur body, sort of like trying to run crysis on a computer from the 90s
foggy kindle
one of the loading screens does admit that utah raptors have been receiving intelligence "upgrades" with newer generations that put them on par with humans. not to mention, the strains are implied to be on par with human intelligence at the very least, type-Ns especially
@regal sundial yeah, that's my suspicion as well, honestly
fossil lily
@foggy kindle Dondi stated in a Stream once that these Creatures are not Dinosaurs by all means. If you want to play a accurate game with Dinosaurs play Saurian
harsh oasis
But really, is AE that technologically advanced?
fossil lily
They are meant to resemble and act like dinosaurs, but they are not 100% Dinosaurs
harsh oasis
Makes sense.
regal sundial
It's confirmed players are profiles and profiles control/are dinosaurs btw @foggy kindle
regal sundial
Also the water endurance loadind screen mentions different generations of specimens
What about
foggy kindle
@regal sundial my bad then. I still kind of wonder though. I wouldn't be surprised if we're all getting rused. like the dinosaurs are only dinosaurs in physical appearance, but that's it.
regal sundial
Water endurance screen suggests we play gen 1 dinos I think
harsh oasis
Just about alot of things we had come up with, i'm trying to expand upon them inside my head and that stumped me. Like the AI and the island having been abandoned or overrun
Generations could've been suggested to the dinosaur model reworks
foggy kindle
@harsh oasis the tweets also imply that TI might be taking place in an entirely different time frame. I wouldn't be surprised if the game actually takes place in the far, far future.
harsh oasis
Okay, makes sense then
Chaos being the surest form of control, have we talked about what it is they're trying to control?
ebon basalt
^
foggy kindle
@regal sundial that might be the year this entire AE experiment started, but who knows how long its been going on for ever since
or rather, that was the last time frame before everything went to hell/out of control
ebon basalt
Did everything go out of control?
fossil lily
seems like shit went down hill
ebon basalt
Or is it going according to plan?
regal sundial
Yeah that's I why did or greater. Could have some custodian AI managing these cycles of profiles in a so real it's a near perfect simulation of reality with technology so advanced it's indiscernable from magic like Neir
And it has just been ticking away
For who knows how long
foggy kindle
I think it went out of control for the humans at AE who were responsible for creating all of this in the first place, but it all went according to plan for whoever - or whatever - overthrew it.
harsh oasis
Hm, might link up with that, "This is not the world as it is" tweet
fossil lily
Based on many of the loading screens saying they had certain species contained in certain areas. The fact that all of these creatures are roaming free and interacting with each other suggests that this is probably way after the downfall of AE
regal sundial
Or a different facility Buder
Jurassic Park VS Site B
The question is where the line is drawn of when we're in character as our profile and when we're not
Like the decayed terminal
harsh oasis
Yeah, so they want us to act a certain way
So, what links up to the behaviour wanted vs the behaviour not wanted?
regal sundial
Although we know clearly something definitely went wrong because echidna broke out and people turned into cannibals
ebon basalt
What if that was allowed to happen?
regal sundial
Well it'd want us to compete for survival
harsh oasis
Huh, wait wasn't there mention of a perfect organism?
What's the best way to find out which organism is perfect?
regal sundial
By who? This AI overseer or the humans?
regal sundial
Because I don't see why humans would unleash this monster upon themselves
ebon basalt
Expendable employees
harsh oasis
Yeah, that doesn't add up. What about Dr. Vega?
His role is obviously very large, if he is working genetics on the island, why treat him as expendable?
regal sundial
Also complete profiles are implied to align with being the perfect organism
ebon basalt
Theory on the isle and its purpose/timeline?
harsh oasis
Yup.
ebon basalt
Well, it most likely did not begin with military experimentation in mind
And we know assets were stolen from phoinex and dondi once mentioned that corporate espionage is integral to the story
harsh oasis
@regal sundial you overlooking the tweets?
But also, If assets were stolen from phoenix why just waste them by releasing them?
fossil lily
I am curious what dondi thinks of all of our progress so far
harsh oasis
He's probably currently scolding us for something, like usual
ebon basalt
they were released on a controlled, inescapeable island
not that big of a deal
i was mostly playing the devil's advocate though
we don't know enough to determine if things went right or wrong
harsh oasis
But, they wouldn't be able to conduct any more experiments. Unless, you're suggesting there won't be any need for anymore experiments, just let everything on the island be let loose to determine which thing shall come out on top?
ebon basalt
theyre monitoring their creations at all times.
harsh oasis
That is true
ebon basalt
remember, they monitor profiles
harsh oasis
Yeah, they do
ebon basalt
what use is testing survivability in a holding pen?
harsh oasis
Very obsolete
But that brings the question, AE has to return to the island? Does that mean that, the perfect organism has been determined?
fossil lily
Matriarch I think was referred to as the perfect organism
harsh oasis
But, it is said that it is captured
ebon basalt
and it'll be released when a profile is complete
harsh oasis
How does one complete a profile that is?
ebon basalt
well learn in a couple years
harsh oasis
Well, your theory is pretty good.
I like it atleast
But I am also still intrigued about the other about the AI overseer
sharp frigate
So
Based on what Dondi is saying in #464560713709518849
I assume this affinity system is closely related to lore
fossil lily
Idk if this is helpful
harsh oasis
What's he been saying?
sharp frigate
The dinosaurs are being thoroughly controlled
Like
Your affinity goes down whenever you do questionable shit in the game
and when it's down "bad shit happens"
questionable shit being cannibalism for some species
mixed species grouping
oversized grouping
harsh oasis
Huh, that's actually neat
harsh oasis
So, did he mention what kind of bad shit?
sharp frigate
Nope
Dondi - Today at 11:13 PM
I can just tell you they won't survive.
No amount of fucking with the system will help.
In regards to people with low affinity ^
fossil lily
But back to the Gateway stuff is there a way we can determine where I-2 and I-1 is
Or what they are
foggy kindle
Hmmm, could the AI situation end up being some kind of SOMA deal? Anyone else play that game? I'm kind of wondering of The Isle's supposed AI overlord is similar to SOMA's WAU, in that it took its initial protocol and purpose to extreme measures.
sharp frigate
He just said something similar to that^
Those with low affinity may have their controls taken randomly at any given moment
harsh oasis
So, then the transmissions were telling us something was coming
harsh oasis
Huh, so we basically are forced to go with the system.
fossil lily
That may explain how things went bad for AE maybe
They tried to control something they made
foggy kindle
so tl;dr the AI fucked over everything because it took its initial protocols way too seriously, and instead made everything worse in return.
icy onyx
Unless we stop the pattern..