Atleast the dinosaur based ones will be.
#isle-lore-theories
royal pilot
so tissoreaper and hypercolossus, will not? or are thye thinking on adding more strains
?
tacit plank
.No idea about more strains. And creatures like the reaper will most likely be ai in survival.
dark osprey
Hey guys u think Xeno dinos would make a good strain??
nimble flare
uhhh
dark osprey
Like with all these tissoes and hypoes coming out
nimble flare
This is not #401466138208370689
dark osprey
I know
icy onyx
Is this really an “isle”?
fossil lily
Has anyone found the "Hidden Things" Mentioned in the patch notes? I have a feeling at least one of them has to be lore related
umbral tusk
I believe there's a new image in the loading part. It was really quick though and I don't have a program to see if there is.
^
hearty mulch
I can hear Dondi sighing
vocal forge
prob
none thought of decoding the numbers tho
AIIE could prob mean : Apollo Institute of Industrial Engineering.
who knows
dawn jay
well all the dinos are clones of there original ancestors, but what if the tribals are like the synths and they were making coordinate fighting force for the military like they tried weaponizing the dinosaurs so they can have a growible army
barren glade
Ehm about the new clock on the menu its like one hour behind my time zone does that maybe means the isle is located somewhere?
icy onyx
i thought that clock was for the ingame time of the official servers
river marsh
The clock just shows how many hours the server has been up lol you read way too far into that XD
As for tribals SunPraiser I don't think they're human (model is placeholder). Nor would they work for the military. Why would the mercs be sent to contest them then? I think it's more a "get off my lawn" scenario maybe. But that does leave questions as to what they are
grizzled dune
Clock on main menu?
Uses UTC/GMT
icy onyx
So, has anyone found the 2 secrets in the main menu?
proud robin
I saw quetz and hypo spino on the menu.
icy onyx
They've been there
proud robin
Ah, then I must have missed the secrets gonna continue looking.
umbral tusk
Try looking at the loading screen where there's all flashing images. Maybe there'll be something there.
proud robin
I saw the hypo giga as well now
pulsar knot
that was there before as well
pallid tiger
I saw a dryo aswell
muted steppe
pallid junco
Now I don’t really pay attention to this channel so forgive me if I get something wrong, buuuuut... with the Fallout 4 Institute symbol that Dondi gave us, perhaps it’s not to signify that things are synths, but to make a reference to the Forced Evolutionary Virus (FEV) that the Institute had made to create their own versions of the Super Mutants?
I know this is kind of out there
But
The strains are, in a sense, mutations, no?
hearty mulch
Forgot about their FEV shenanigans
buoyant mango
do somebody knows when wiil the next update go out?
untold dust
olive mural
I found something on the main menu screen
involving commands
When u type "Switchlevel"
and type a number
It refreshes the screen
Not sure if someone has found this out or not
but u can type AE-001 and it loads the map
tiny carbon
Yeah, it appears that all the other commands work (or at least most of them) on the main menu as well. If you type Stat FPS into it then the framerate pops up, but trying it anywhere else didn't give me any results.
Maybe there's something we can do with that to try and bypass the login or set a user id as an admin in the system, but ¯_(ツ)_/¯
messing around with it I couldn't get much. Tried using the SetName command to set it to Rodrigo Vega (or however his name is) and that didn't get anywhere. Maybe varients of that with Dr in it could work though. I dunno
(by it to rodrigo I meant setting my own name to it using the command)
simple sandal
I don't think its on the main menu if you look on the News and go down to the back button and hover over it with your mouse it says "Close" and it looks like something is written vertically on the stone frame just to the left but i cant make out what it says, it also looks like something is written on the bottom frame below and to the right but I'm not sure
royal pilot
What if tribals are a population of lost children with certain genetic charateristics and were isolated for soo long that they becane a tribe of some sort with an specific religion of the attrocities they saw on the isle
half sinew
Peter Pan: The Isle Edition
cerulean bone
Deinosuchus with a clock in its belly? and nah I see the tribals as natives who were there before all the prehistoric critters came about and simply adapted to their presence.
deep ridge
wait a minute
the end is never the end the end is never the end?
thats from the stanley parade game
shy basin
@tacit finch it is
tacit finch
so you're telling me the isle is connected to Stanley Parable?
shy basin
no but the concept of the stanley parable could be similiar
icy onyx
yes.
deep ridge
no idea i just remembere that
cu when you die that is one of the texts thats pops up. the end is never the end the end is never the end
shy basin
it depends on what death you die iirc
icy onyx
So guys, first of all, has anyone seen BIG ribs on the AE-001 server?
shy basin
yes we have watched the development streams in which they where made
icy onyx
If yes, well I have a theory: Those ribs are actually from a Hyperendocrin Colossus, so originally they created 2 Colossus, but maybe one kill the other and ate it, and all that was left were it's ribs
shy basin
theories require evidence right?
well let me use an old comparison of mine
you have less evidence than people who claim vaccines cause autism
warped coral
so why are the ribs using rock textures then?
🤔
its just lazy map design, nothing more
shy basin
tacit finch
basically the guy who theorized that the isle is the dome from the Simpsons with a bunker full of gold
shy basin
damn thats a shitty metaphor
tacit finch
you think I'm kidding toot
i belive the isle is like a dome to were the dinosaurs dont have the chance of escape but there made for a miltary purpouse and the humans are trying to find a cave to an hidden bunker holding gold and the last surviors of a recruit team to estract dinosaurs off the island
shy basin
i honestly cant tell half the time
tacit finch
Why didn't I see it sooner toot
shy basin
damn we might just have hit rock bottom
tacit finch
they survived because they ate the gold obviously
cinder atlas
Don’t troll about in theories, guys. Like yeah a lot of them are horrendous, but still.
nimble cape
lmao
hearty mulch
Wonder if there'll be strains of strains. Like variants. Sort of how there could be a possibly implied Echidna-sourced strain of the neurotenic strain.
Would actually be a cool mechanic for the rarer strains. Each individual who gets it switches how it's acquired. But that's not a theory, really, so I'll stop the thought there.
tiny carbon
Well, to branch from that I remember there used to be talk about a sort of perk system, so it isn't too far off to think that the strains could have perks as well, and since every player would probably perk their strains in different ways, there will probably different variants of strains in regards to speed, strength, stealth, etc... but as for major differences with any major boosts or gained abilities, I don't think that'll happen
river marsh
I'm not sure if this was noticed yet or what it means but if you click 'play' on the main menu while looking at the green flashing light on the left you'll notice it moves along with the leaves on the left. Just thought I'd give you guys a heads up I'm gonna keep poking around.
icy onyx
Guys wasn't the hypo quetz suppose to NOT fly?
half sinew
🤔
half sinew
Good thing that's unofficial fan-art
icy onyx
Well but still
rustic shell
I read something about quetz Type-H terrestrial specimen...i believe it's one of the loading screens
icy onyx
Yes it is
rustic shell
That would mean it does not fly then
icy onyx
Yep
rustic shell
Hm...
tacit finch
@icy onyx fan art shouldn't be discussed in isle theories
tacit finch
should go without saying that it's unofficial
tacit finch
but when you're asking if it can't fly because of some fan art you saw, then you're just... eh....
rustic shell
Anyone got a pic or screenie of it?
icy onyx
Yea I know
grizzled dune
Type-H Quetzal isn't confirmed to be flightless.
Was mentioned before on loading screens:
AE-IPS-002
Atrium C
All type-H biological asset study is to be moved to atrium C.Clearence level has summaricy elevated to level 4 since the incident involving (blank space).Director (blank space) has halted all development of any and all Type-H pterosauria studies since the loss of (blank space) personel.Atrium housing is currently being adjusted.
AE-AES -004
Type-H Speciemens
Type-H asset study has been moved from (blank space) to Atrium C.All assets show increased bone density and tissue growth.Due to the volatile effects since (blank space).Studies have been secluded to Tyrannosaurus,Giganotosaurus,Spinosaurus and utahraptor specimens.Quetzalcloatus study has been neutralized since (blank space).Code Alfie-(blank space) is still M.I.A.
AE-BLS-005
Quetzalcoatlus
All quetzalcloatus biological assets have been deemed (blank space) by (blank space) since type-halfie (blank-space) atrium breach.All studies are to be concluded and assets neutralized until a later date.Atrium C to be repurposed for terrestrial Type-H specimens only.Do not replicate.
None of them confirm it to be flightless.
cinder atlas
The fact that it escaped via "Atrium breach" might lean towards the opposite.
queen bison
"Atrium C to be repurposed for terrestrial Type-H specimens only."
Seems it could fly
Unless thats just the normal ones
tacit finch
carno gamer interpreted taps art (which he assumed to be official) of the hypo quetz breaking through the helicopter as flying on a helicopter
shy basin
wha
tacit finch
because obviously it's falling from the (smaller) helicopter, not dive bombing through it
clearly. (none of this is relevent because it's still just unofficial art)
primal cypress
“Sean Murphy is a god” yields this Reddit post
Figured I’d put it here, since it was drowned in Isle discussions
warped coral
dondi has linked this specific post before on stream talking about it, so this is likely what hes refering too again
warped coral
if my understanding is correct; this comic really cememented mr freeze as a tragic villian. Perhaps this sort of story element is linked to the isles story or perhaps the way Sean tells it stylistically and how he develops the characters is inspiration.- but thats a bit of a leap.
primal cypress
That’s kind of in line of what I was thinking.
Tragic elements, mixed in with the “villain’s” use of their technology.
tacit finch
well, this was in context of what he wanted to commission tapwing for
warped coral
tragic scientific breaktrhough in attempts to do the impossible to save a loved one 🤔 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI1JqJhw4dE&feature=youtu.be&t=208
ofc the White Knight is a series of books and jumping the gun without reading them all is foolish
but i like to jump guns
although there has to be more to it than that; "dont worry honey, ima save u by cloning all these dinosaurs" cause thats stupid by itself
quartz sundial
Well I guess there's kind of a connection to mr freeze, he's trying to do all he can to bring his wife back, whereas AE I assume is doing the same thing for dinos
🤷♂️
hearty mulch
"I don't want to bring back my wife, I want to turn her into dinosaurs!"
warped coral
^
tacit finch
Again though, this is in regards to what dondi wanted tap to draw for him
not to do with tribal cosmetics or anything, but linked to that reddit post
quartz sundial
mutt pls
warped coral
one of the only other humans already shown in isle artwork was the "Illusive Man" at least that is who it reminds me off
hearty mulch
It sounds memey but I don't mean it that way entirely.
warped coral
from findtheisle.com
file name "The_Creator_Final"
so thats why we're drawing parralels with mr.freeze
gives off that vibe at least
tacit finch
I mean, if we're talking story, there's not much supporting that the rex here (assuming he created it out of a person, or at least transfered thier consciousness into it(end is never, end is never-)) was someone he cared about
Could be him trying to save someone
could just be a random subject
warped coral
i dont think that idea is too crazy
needs a bit more concrete evidence
but i think it holds a little bit of water
tacit finch
while we're on the topic
is it a fair assumption that the whole replication system is responsible for tranferring the consiousness of one individual/animal to another?
sharp frigate
I'd say so
tacit finch
Just throwing ideas out, could have anything to do with the storing and reuploading of memories/instincts recorded in our dna
Just came to mind as we talked about that whole "sean murphy is a god" post and the "creator" picture, somehow tie them together or smth
sinful sable
It's able to be very specific to something and as broad as "Isle comic book pages" so it's not exaclty something to tap down quickly. but the ideas are cool
sweet zephyr
I just found something rather strange.
sinful sable
wot
ancient spindle
He ded
proper steppe
Dondi took him out
sweet zephyr
oh sorry
basically, I pressed a wierd selection of buttons acidentally and then my keys started doing a keyboard sound ingame.
idk if it was a bug or something usefull.
amber fox
😑
hearty mulch
For now, we know there was an individual coined The Matriarch that had kids
So probably more but dunno because genetic weirdos
icy onyx
Wait what?
hearty mulch
icy onyx
Well, I've seen 2 types of pterosaurus and a raptor involving the Matriarch
hearty mulch
Aye but is unofficial fanart
icy onyx
Well, it's from tapwing's
hearty mulch
Still fanart for the moment
hearty mulch
She just wants to be a mom but everyone wants to DOX her
glacial moth
hey guys it's been a while
just a question how involved is tapwing with the lore/secerts of the game?
hearty mulch
Not very
tacit plank
She makes artwork that the devs sometimes use as reference for designs (such as neuro spino), but other than that she's really not that involved.
glacial moth
ok
dull falcon
so... has there been anything new released about the lore? i still read through every comment in here and it’s been a couple months since i could add anything to the website... i was just wondering if i missed anything.
umbral tusk
I don’t believe so. 😦
next gust
last update said that there are two new secrets in the main but I don't think anybody found those. The last update also added two new flashing lights in the main menu and I think those might be morse code
proper steppe
The Primordial
hearty mulch
Sounds like a possible strain source but like he said we dunno so just a game theory
proper steppe
We don't have any info on it, but @dull falcon Could use it
From the stream, keep this for later Taterfi
Am I the only one who gets reminded of the Primordial ooze by that word? Yeah?
hearty mulch
Many primordials come to mind but no one wants me spamming pictures of Kaath or Frampt
proper steppe
Dondi confirms that the primordial is large
dense orbit
apparently, depending on who does what by friday, new patch is said to be out by monday or next week but don't rely on what i say, this is just what i heard from dondi himself
pallid junco
If jake finishes a thing or two by Friday, something neat’ll happen
dense orbit
they said the next patch may come out around next monday
And he will apparently get paid extra
but that last bit ain't none of my business
I guess because there's a lot of work that dondi is requesting to be done by a certain deadline, so it would make sense.
quartz sundial
@proper steppe nope lol
viscid saddle
This channel is for lore and lore-related discussions, the stuff like patches and dev activities can go in #401464048610312195 or #401470471750811669
muted steppe
Well, I'm guessing the "Primordial" is either yet another creature (like the Matriarch) or a location.. probably thinking a bit too small there, though.
amber fox
the smartest thing to do now is change the topic to something we have more evidence on
cause we cant go from a name that was teased in the chat
royal pilot
Primordial could be an organization, hell maybe all dinosaur games and movies are connected somehow, the ilse being where everything comes from, jp, got dna form AE, AE invested so it could become another source of research, then after jp2 they start mtesting recombination of dino dna in sorna while in The isle they test with the hyps neuros and tissos, and for jp4 and jp5 they use the knolage of magna or matriarch to develop basic asets like the indminus and indoraptor wich contain minimal amounts of magna tisso and neuro or whatever...
and primal carnage could be connected somehow, also fucking everything else...but thats none of ma buissnes...
warped coral
no
icy onyx
.... Primal Carnage connected?
Seriously... God damn, Dondi said himself it in no way is connected to this game...
orchid nimbus
He did say that he wouldn't have minded to make a connected universe back in the day, but shenanigans happened
The Isle is it's own thing
royal pilot
whatever, withsome proper story it could be intrestiong but i dont give a flying fuck, i just want the game released
better than waiting 30 minutes for class to beging but mhe wasnt really thinking much about context
icy onyx
The Primordial could be where they got all the DNA for the strains possibly and they wanted to replicate part of it in sections for purposes that are unknown.
Then again I could be wrong ... ^
coral sequoia
iirc wasn’t there an original “perfect creature” or whatever?? could the primordial be that?
like what they first tried to create but it wasn’t perfect so they’re trying again with the new strains?
sinful sable
thats the Matriarch
coral sequoia
ah you’re right
royal pilot
Could it be that the real goal is to achive super soldiers hybruds and thats when it went out of control and all the cannibal shit hut the fan?
sinful sable
at least that's what the Matriarch was a long time ago.
icy onyx
I mean, just by the definition of the word primordial, we can assume that it was the origin of whatever science allowed the recreation of dinosaurs. Whether that be some sort of DNA found in a mosquito or amber, or an actual creature from before the Mesozoic, something along those lines should probably be expected.
coral sequoia
yeah that’s sort of why i thought it might have been the first one
icy onyx
That is always a possibility but most unlikely @royal pilot because we don't know the intentions of Apollo Engineering but they could just be researching and replicating items.
coral sequoia
since it basically means the beginning
royal pilot
Theres always a motive the cant be doing it for fun unless the are all crayzy neonatzi fellas
icy onyx
There's definitely some human supersoldier type thing going on
So that'd be one reason
But sometimes to learn about how genetics work you just need to do stuff with genetics
Like breeding dinosaurs
coral sequoia
but that’s what doesn’t make sense to me, why not experiment on stuff that’s more readily available
i can’t imagine it’s easy to just generate a new dinosaur and say “let’s do this to it”
royal pilot
That didnt came out good..
Oh the actual is dinos traped in time kinda skull islandish
coral sequoia
it could make since because i believe the tribals have dinosaur skull/bone... things?? which means they’ve learned to live with them
icy onyx
....
coral sequoia
but dondi talks about having dinosaurs dropped in cages, if that hasn’t changed
which means they’re being created
icy onyx
Yes.
coral sequoia
or bred
sinful sable
It's more likely to be that the Dinosaurs are produced in some fashion by the People. since its kinda hard to get onto a T.rex swarmed island and make a BUNKER
coral sequoia
yeah
royal pilot
Bread, created is just weird, it would be a waste of money unless they are jack hore
With the chickenosaurus
hearty mulch
That and the entire island is stocked and our consciousnesses are transferred into new bodies upon death.
sinful sable
I mean. could be under some form of Military contact.
hearty mulch
So gonna guess not bred
icy onyx
... Just basing it off logic from what he has said ^^
That makes since because if they were breeding them they'd have to wait for them to grow up and release into the wild.
royal pilot
Created ok, reason now is why dinosaurs and why those?
sinful sable
I was saying before in Fanart wasn't there something about human minds in dinosaurs. Got the specifics wrong but it seems the idea was close.
@muted steppe
sinful sable
What if he's curing cancer by making people dinosaurs
royal pilot
Dome crayzy chickensaurus hard vaping donofrio fella
icy onyx
Neuro strain is the cure for brain cancer kek
Who knew that all this time the cure for cancer is dinosaurs
sinful sable
Either way. Dinosaurs are being produced in some fashion. The idea of "Primordial" is actually quite interesting
what about like fast forwarding the "Primordial" And producing similar but not exact animals
icy onyx
Well, there was an extinction event just before the Mesozoic, so maybe the primordial is interpreted literally by saying that is was the base animal that evolved into most of the dinos
They did have a 300 million year period of free unadulterated evolution
hearty mulch
I'm just gonna guess the primordial is the source of some genetic doohickeys and the individual thing itself has been around for a fuckload of time
icy onyx
Inb4 its a giant fucking mosquito
proper steppe
maybe it's some type of goo, like the Primordial soup
sinful sable
Giant Cave Leech @icy onyx
sinful sable
That's literally what I was alluding to~
icy onyx
I can imagine them literally having vats of just random ass liquid DNA
hearty mulch
Now i'm just gonna think of teenage mutant ninja turtles.
sinful sable
"Fast forwarding" Was refering to taking a DNA soup and basically (somehow) making it produce objects similar to dinosaurs
hearty mulch
Whatever it is hope it is big and spooky.
sinful sable
Be it with using fossils and maybe it could somehow break down parts of it and form a Dinosaur of said fossil or something else.
The specifics aren't a easy thing to do but the broad stroke I feel is a...decent idea.
icy onyx
Well now that I think about it, to get strains maybe they introduce a single species' genetic code to the primordial, and if it doesn't get rejected it comes out better
sinful sable
I'd imagine its mixing some other component and a animal with the "Primordial"
icy onyx
Because a lot of shit involving DNA science is about whether or not the physical body accepts or rejects outside influence
sinful sable
And that changes the animal to the specific "strain"
Problem is how do you actually do that in a playable fashion.
Because I doubt a T.rex would be grabbing a test tube and shoving it's face and the test tube into a vat of DNA soup
Although T.rex scientists would be very comedic
royal pilot
Maybe or a dino factory or a place, damn n even a guy!
Maybe yoy adquire strauns after being moniyored, they let out a fly drone matriarch byg what fucking ever, butes ye and yoy are that,
sinful sable
I mean. there's no real way I can see a Dinosaur turning itself into a Strain without it being insanely easy or a giant grind fest.
fly drone matriarch?
royal pilot
Mabe a muddle point on tgat, bot that easy but aldo not that hard
sinful sable
I'm saying as a DINOSAUR. I can't see it being hard but not in a grinding way.
Like. The two ideas i have for a Dinosaur doing it on its own is one is literally just finding a location to shove your head into. Or Getting enough kills/-insert other fitting challenges- which would be a grind fest.
royal pilot
Mhe i like the place more, there you can have ais that try to kill ye befirw you reach the soup
sinful sable
The only other thing I can imagine is having to fight a "boss" and the eat it. But what Boss could a Utah fight just as well as a Carno and just as well as a T.rex
royal pilot
Or maybe all and the real grind is to survive long enough to actually thrive and si dibrhyc
hearty mulch
A battle of minds..
sinful sable
there's a reason Progression is ending.
The "Wait around for 5 hours" gameplay was a mistake
royal pilot
Cause it takes way too much time, legit prog took ye atleast ywo days
sinful sable
So I doubt that's what they will do for strains.
TBH that's an interesting idea ...... @hearty mulch.
well. what you made me think of at least is.
Having to sneak into where the Matriarch is and eat a babu
Which means as stuff like a Raptor you have to fight the babies. And as something like a T.rex you would have to be worried about sneaking around then GTFOing when you kill a baby as the mother charges your ass
royal pilot
Thats haesh, also areyesuggestibg you get a strain mutation rng, ?
sinful sable
And then you would have the Delay that was talked about as the Normal variant of the animal would change into the strain
So for a while as you're changing into the Strain your getting more powerful but it's not "Utah to suddenly Super Buff Triceratops killing Hypo Utah"
The major reasons I'm bringing up gameplay is while there might be more direct ways to make dinosaurs into strains. I'm also trying to think of how a wild dinosaur (playable) would do it since the fact that there are hints to Strain AIs.
So it makes sense that the original strains are completely at the hands of humans when they wanted to run the experiment.
But also wild dinosaurs would likely be getting it in some fashion
tacit finch
In all seriousness tho @royal pilot , the context in which the primordial was first mentioned implies it's an entity or animal of some kind
and tbh I don't know why we're theorizing on what it could be, like the only evidence we have is it's name
viscid saddle
Doesn't necessarily have to be an animal. People initially thought AE-001 was an animal too at first.
shy basin
Some people who didn't stop to think did
The theory that its a location or facilty was fairly popular too
viscid saddle
In the context it's been used in, which as far as I know is one sentence, Primordial could be anything. All you can really surmise is that it's related to the game
orchid nimbus
I've been a while away from all this jazz, we got any answer to the tweets?
nimble cape
For all we know it could be a strain
Or something we don't even have any idea of yet
icy onyx
Well If the primordial might be active and a short name could be Primus cause we did get this before in morse code before
"THE PRIMUS IS ACTIVE"
tacit finch
yeah, that's very true @viscid saddle
I just don't understand the thought process of
"oh, a snippet of isle lore? lemme immediately connect this to strains or some other franchise entirely with no supporting evidence whatsoever."
tacit finch
not even that
just fucking like "isle strains confirmed for jp5 in indoraptor" or "isle bunker has vault full of gold" or use of unofficial fan art*
sinful sable
I mean. It's called "Primordial" Which the common comparison with Primordial is "Primordial ooze"
tacit finch
by that logic, the collosus is actually from SotC
just because it's the first thing that comes to mind
orchid nimbus
I mean, when the names Apollo and Phoenix surfaced, a correlation with the mythological beings and the game's lore seemed to be plausible
Jumping to the first thing that comes to mind with the codenames isn't sensible, but not necesarilly mistaken
obsidian stirrup
^leave it for the essays, no ones got time to try bother reading that XDD
placid harness
Is there only 1 Magnatyrannus on the whole island?
Its just the second part of the name, Magnutyrannus solus that got me thinking. Makes me wonder if only one person at a time could play a Magna at once.
icy onyx
Hmm. I wonder if magnas are unkillable
placid harness
I'd imagine they aren't, just much harder to kill.
Maybe there is some sort of chemical they produce in their saliva / blood that is detrimental to the strains.
placid harness
Really? Because I've been hearing people around say that Magnas are made to hunt Hypos or something. Not sure if I trust that statement, but it would sort of justify their existence more.
icy onyx
They are.
brittle marten
Why create the Hypos in the first place? Just to create another species?
brittle marten
I suppose, yeah
placid harness
Whose to say the Hypos weren't created on accident.
brittle marten
True true. But you can't just create an accidant, just like that, I feel
placid harness
Sure you can.
icy onyx
I mean they were possibly just they weren't man made.
nimble cape
I know it's cliche and all, but IMO hypos seem like the perfect killing machines for war
brittle marten
Yeah, they do
icy onyx
Its possible they made dinosaurs, and then some of them evolved into that. And they became experiments...
nimble cape
Insatiable hunger with bullet-resistant armor and they die after killing the enemy due to starvation
but I wouldn't be surprised if the strains were accidents or freaks of nature either
or maybe a combination
placid harness
Have we talked about what the Hypos actually are? Are they the result of an actual strain of bacteria that causes hypertrophy of everything deadly?
Maybe this is some symbiotic shit. Animal is infected with strain. Strain gets to thrive on hosts microbiome, while the host gets elevated performance as a result.
nimble cape
I thought the same as well
brittle marten
But how did this bactaria come to life in the first place, and also why?
nimble cape
Would be an interesting concept
sinful sable
pretty sure its been said Magnas are weaker then hypos but not enough to Make it a land slide for Hypos to kill it
icy onyx
^^
nimble cape
I feel like hypos weren't created deliberately, for the simple fact that magnas are IMO created as an enhanced version of a dinosaur
And why would they make a dangerous and unsustainable hypo if they can create a magna?
sinful sable
So they are basically a slightly Weaker hyperendocrin with the addition of being able to not starve to death in a day. at least that's how Magnatyrannus seems
brittle marten
Don't judge a book by it's coulor c;
sinful sable
Magnaraptor hasn't been said if it can take on a Hyper Utah the same way Magnatyrannus can to a Hyper Rex.
brittle marten
Who knows what the acual purpose is
nimble cape
It's possible that both of them were created deliberately, and magna being made to be a 'better' hypo and kill the hypos that are on the loose
but meh
sinful sable
"You were so busy asking if you could you never stopped and asked if you Should "
nimble cape
The only things we know about magnaraptor is that it's supposed to be a big raptor, like utah before the size nerfs, and it will have insane prey tracking especially if they are bleeding
I don't think that an animal being magna necessarily means it's a hypo killer
but maybe just an enhanced version of a dinosaur or combination of dinosaurs
placid harness
Think about it like this. Hypo animals are an obvious ecosystem imbalance. Its obvious they don't fit any niche except for murder everything. They are not meant to be outside in the ecosystem, not yet, perhaps. They even had an Atrium to hold just Hypos, to store them. They had a purpose, yes, and they were on track with that.
brittle marten
Maybe a way to get rid of the dinosaurs created by mankind roaming The Isle
nimble cape
Afterall magnas might just be your typical hybrids, but we have no way to tell yet
Were the atriums really used to hold the hypos? I know you got that off the loading screens but I mentioned it once on a stream and Dondi mocked me for thinking an atrium can keep a hypo enclosed
so either he misinterpreted what I said or they were used for some other purpose with the hypos or something
¯_(ツ)_/¯
icy onyx
Maybe Magna was meant to kill hypos, Maybe one escaped on AE-001 This is why they are trying to recover it, they released the Magna to hunt it down and kill it. Also to protect AE's assets.
placid harness
Magnas are just pepto-bismol for the ecosystem, maybe? They function just like their regular counterparts, but they treat the obvious upsets that linger around.
icy onyx
I thought there were mean't not toward hold hypos. Well reason being is because of the main fact there was a Hypo Facility for that reason.
brittle marten
Keeping a hypo? It would starve to death
nimble cape
That doesn't seem to far fetched, to have magnas be a way for natural ecosystem balance
considering every dinosaur is from different time periods and ecosystems
it's obvious that it doesn't work perfectly
I know that it's been mentioned before that maybe a hypo rex will spawn if the game detects a megapack of rexes or something in the past
maybe it would be a magnarex instead?
quartz sundial
iirc dondi canned that in the latest dev powow
quartz sundial
he said he wanted sauropod corpses to cause big feeding frenzies, and he couldnt do that if hypo rexes spawned when a bunch of different species carnis got together
o7
or something like that
placid harness
I'd assume there is a difference between a feeding frenzy between multiple species and a megapack of Rexes.
quartz sundial
im just saying what don said
nimble cape
I have a feeling that hypos aren't created from birth but that adult rexes are altered into a hypo
quartz sundial
anyway back to theories
tacit plank
I Remmeber don in one of his previous streams hinting at player-triggered events. I'd assume that's the method they'll use for wild strains or they'll just spawn in occasionally.
nimble cape
so a bacterial idea sort of fits with that
because it honestly seems impossible to grow a hypo
considering how much food it needs to stay alive as an adult, imagine maintaining that when it's a juvenile
brittle marten
Yeah. It would need massive amounts of nutrients
nimble cape
either a natural infection of some kind or a deliberate alteration of genetics or whatnot
placid harness
Maybe Hypos are fed a specially crafted nutrient rich diet while they are held.
Having them out in the wild just doesn't work.
quartz sundial
i always imagined hypos being raised in captivity until adulthood, so scientists could monitor it effectively, and they'd also feed it a bunch obv
once it was adult, they'd release it
🤷
brittle marten
But... Releasing it without learning how to hunt? Would it work?
Maybe instincts idk
placid harness
Not necessarily just throwing a ton of meat at it.
Maybe the meat is injected / treated with a ton of nutrients.
All the good stuff a body needs to function and grow.
quartz sundial
maybe they would capture a wild regular rex and mutate it? idk
nimble cape
but considering a fully grown shant can't even stave off hunger for that long in the game (obviously game time vs irl / lore time would be different, but it's pretty crazy in comparison to other creatures) I don't think they would bother making a bunch of hypos or make them from birth
placid harness
I have a theory that if a Rex is tamed by survivors and they get to an extremely advanced technological level they can make a Magna rex.
Its a bit farfetched though.
nimble cape
I think a transformation is more plausible
It might also be possible that hypos have an accelerated growth rate
and could be a factor in their size
besides the strain itself
but who knows
placid harness
Magna animals seems like it will be some sort of dormant thing that can be unlocked at a point in their lifetime.
Strains could be just that but much more erratic.
Magna rex is just a bit larger and has some extra armor growing around it.
tardy python
I think they were trying to weaponize the trex and it escaped and the made the magna Rex to kill it
placid harness
Hypo rex has these crazy ass armor shapes across its body that look like a heart monitor.
nimble cape
I definitely like your sybiotic virus or whatever idea the best
brittle marten
But lets just assume Hypos are war machines... And the neuros aswell (Like the spino being able to turn of electricity)... What are the Tissoplastic animals for?
nimble cape
It seems pretty plausible and a natural theme like that seems to fit the hypo quite well
placid harness
I don't know. Do we know of any traits of Tisso animals?
nimble cape
but we don't really have any details so
tardy python
They have sneaking abilities
brittle marten
Yeah, they do kinda seem more sneaky and slender in appearence
tardy python
So like surveillance maybe
placid harness
It seems like Tisso is the more tactical strain.
brittle marten
Not just brute force?
tacit plank
Don't forget that it's being reworked
tardy python
Like the wraith in Evolve
placid harness
Hypo - Big, loud, proud, and ready for up close combat. Tisso - Sneak around, kill when least expected. Neuro - Watch from afar, be untouchable.
Foot soldier, Scout, and Sniper.
Sounds like these things were made for war.
nimble cape
I could see the parasite or virus or whatever accelerating the carnivore's growth rate and mutating it's DNA to become insatiably hungry and build up insane armor (although it wouldn't explain why each creature has a different feature that is probably the same across all hypo strains of the same dinosaur, like the spino's split jaw) to feed the host extremely quickly
brittle marten
They do indeed
nimble cape
but you would probably see a lot more hypos if that was the case because I bet it would spread like crazy
brittle marten
Neuros also seem to be alot more smart then the rest, if I'm correct
nimble cape
The neuros are one I can say without a lot of doubt that it's manmade
placid harness
Its obviously something that doesn't spread easily. It has to be applied.
tardy python
I think the neuros are supposed to direct the hypos if they actually were a military thing because they can communicate with other species
nimble cape
the fact that it is ridiculously intelligent and can interfere with electronics seems like it would be made by humans
tardy python
Yeah
nimble cape
I don't see why an animal would have any reason to adapt for targeting humans and human technology, and neither would a parasitic host that could possibly alter them either
and there definitely isn't enough time for them to evolve rapidly like that
placid harness
Take a look at the Strain bosses.
They accurately represent what the Strains are supposed to be.
tardy python
Parasites don’t care about the host they will let it die to further themselves so why would it make it grow armour
placid harness
I think we can agree the Strains are not parasites.
Its some sort of symbiotic relationship.
Strain gets a host, host gets better.
Better equipped, that is.
Seems like a carefully designed relationship to me.
Very carefully designed.
brittle marten
Designed? Sounds kinda human made for me
tardy python
by someone?
placid harness
Do you think that Strains are introduced within the life time of an organism, or at/before birth?
tardy python
At birth or it wouldn’t probably assimilate well with the body
brittle marten
I think we need some actual good Lore by a dev. What sort of war makes a human create a whole new level of.. Life?
placid harness
I think this can be considered good lore alone.
tardy python
The immune system would fight it and the animal would die
placid harness
Good lore answers one question and creates two more.
placid harness
Do you want lore, or do you want answers?
brittle marten
Both would be nice^^
tardy python
Both
thorn dirge
apparently tissos can go invisible
brittle marten
Some chameleon DNA, maybe?
placid harness
Exhibit A:
Q: Why did the chicken cross the road?
A: Putin
Exhibit B:
Q: Why did the chicken cross the road?
A: He was a Russian double agent, on a mission.
Q: What was his mission, and who was the mission for?
A: To assassinate arch-dictator of Switzerland Franz Arsenduke, and it was a contract for the Myonex corporation.
Q: Who is Myonex, and why did they need Franz killed?
A: They are a Russian Company, their CEO demanded it.
Q: Who is their CEO?
A: Putin
A devs biggest mistake is to directly say something. We gotta search for it.
tardy python
Yeah on the wiki it says they camaflauge and are like assasins
brittle marten
Yeah, I understand
thorn dirge
they also are way faster than normal creatures
grizzled dune
Those are old ability concepts,and as said before,a rework was mentioned since.
brittle marten
Yeah. I'm really interested in this rework, any ideas when the first concept will be seen?
grizzled dune
Rework was mentioned almost a year ago in one of anth's videos.,since then,not much was said about it.
We don't know yet what's going to change,so as of now,Tisso strain is one mistery
brittle marten
Oh. Alright then
placid harness
Alright, so this one is far out. Did they constantly have surveillance on all the dinosaurs in the Island, and the terminal you open up when you start the Isle is able to view all of the footage?
buoyant mango
have them fixed the safe log bug?
ocean mauve
Dont think this is the right channel for this.
plain gale
insert crappy theory on why every piece of dinosaur media is related to the Isle's lore
gritty reef
quick question: has anyone here figured out the alphanumeric code yet?
1101001100100111001011011001101000110110111000001101011
placid harness
That looks like binary.
gritty reef
it's words
icy onyx
binary code
gritty reef
I'm going to try terminal acess now
wait, does anyone know where the input for terminal is?
glacial moth
No
Thats what we’ve been looking for
But according to anth there should be hidden things through out the screen on the menu.
reef belfry
Is the orange flashing lights on the menu some kind of Morse code?
gritty reef
maybe
also when I intially entered the ASC11 146 I swore I saw a black box open in the top right corner
reef belfry
I’ll try
gritty reef
go for it!
subtle badge
yeah!
gritty reef
also to help you out (if it is morse) the 3 lights have two holds at the end.
hearty mulch
55 characters total, so probably best to divide it up in 5's, 11010 01100 10011 10010 11011 00110 10001 10110 11100 00011 01011
static dock
Thats binary
gritty reef
hey does anyone know of an official the isle AE jpg?
reef belfry
No why?
placid harness
How about the .mp4 of the AE logo? There is what appears to be a ton of binary scrolling down on the right.
the isle > the isle > content > movies
gritty reef
YES!
wheres the mp4 of the AE?
also what images do we know were in the loading sequence?
umbral tusk
the binary that scrolls down just says The Isle over and over again lmao.
We've already figured that out - unless you're talking about a different one.
@gritty reef https://sites.google.com/henrico.k12.va.us/theisleslore/lore/loading-screens?authuser=0 here are the images in the loading sequence
gritty reef
tried converting all the loading pictures into binary 
crimson veldt
nice
placid harness
nice
brittle marten
nice
frozen vector
nice
nimble cape
nice
proven pond
nice
icy onyx
Now is the time people. LET YOUR FAN FICTIONS FLOW!
nimble cape
The isle has a connection with dinosaur train
placid harness
Did the Strains exist naturally and were modified to all hell, or were they perhaps completely artificial?
gentle hound
It sounds to me they were tested and examined in a way not unlike the SCP franchise.
hearty mulch
While reaper lore is liable to be retconned, we know from it that the tisso samples had to be altered in order for humans to not die when it was introduced
So there is room for speculation on a completely artificial or at least a refining of a natural source
gentle hound
Most interesting.
river marsh
There was a folder labeled "dragons" i noticed when Dondi was streaming ages ago. Not sure if its related to anything here but after glancing at a particular person's video with hypos in it recently I noticed they kind of had that same air as such a terrifying beast. Any speculations?
placid harness
Hypo Quetz is a damn dragon.
I'd be surprised if it didn't breath something on its foes.
weak condor
🤔 suspicious
glacial moth
Hmmmmmm
nimble cape
I mean
if you could recreate and genetically engineer dinosaurs
Why wouldn't you want to make dragons?
placid harness
There are better uses of that ability than letting a lizard spit fire.
Why not let them spit nerve gas or something?
hearty mulch
Vietnam but biological
dreamy grove
Go Trogdor!
🔥 Burninating all the things 🔥
shrewd plover
Hypo quetz breaths fire Confirmed
tacit finch
@river marsh I belive the dragons folder is apart of a side project
river marsh
Maybe XD
royal pilot
Matriarch fanart is compatible with the idea of a dragon being able to secrete a corrosive substanse similar to the bombing beetle or just a special gas that ignites because of the sudden pressure diference in the ambinience
tacit finch
@river marsh no not maybe, its seperate- dont worry about it.
jolly lintel
ancient spindle
proper steppe
First guess? It isn't anything physically big, it's something we've been waiting for.
main prairie
vernal crag
Could it be the Primordial?
plain gale
inb4 primordial turns out to be an AI lizard
hearty mulch
inb4 primordial is Kaathe
deep ridge
ples be the collosus or a deino XD
tawdry lily
Sounds like some sort of dragon
sturdy geyser
possibly
we have seen a folder named "dragons" in dondi's streams a couple of times
ebon basalt
I have a feeling a ton of unlikely things will come to the isle
icy onyx
ooo
kind fern
UwU
tacit finch
@tawdry lily @sturdy geyser again, seperate project, dont worry about it.
restive pulsar
What if the mercs were hired by AE to get rid of their failed experiments (the dinosaurs they've brought back to life and who have now taken over and repopulated therefore creating a mass of species too powerful for any smartypants scientist to deal with.)
Just a thought I had late at night last week and only just remembered to share.
Oh and the tribals are just there, coexisting with the dinosaurs.
(Or not... 🤔 )
proven fog
tribals originally had the land and adapted to the dinos
proven fog
._.
placid harness
Is there going to be a Magna strain boss? Or are they not technically considered strains but just things directly manipulated by Apollo?
prisma heron
This game has more theories than actual gameplay
placid harness
haha lol!
kind fern
shade
topaz cove
hallow bone
Maybe they are linked? in some kind of way, i saw this on the test level and also got shown this Hypo Utah?
ancient spindle
What is the theory here?
hallow bone
Soon we might be seeing a hypo utah implemented into the game maybe
icy onyx
Gonna go ahead and say no to that one
proper steppe
Yes, they are linked. One is a utah, the other is a hypo utah?
last nebula
He's asking because of the size of the utah on the test level.
Notice there's a trike behind it.
tacit finch
by that logic, just because Carno is in game
that means hypo carno is soon to be released
hwat??
last nebula
I didn't say his logic was sound.
plain gale
Isnt the old Utah size gonna be for Magnaraptor
pale frigate
ancient spindle
Nah, I thought Dondi was making Magnaraptor huge?
icy onyx
It is huge, there was a twitch clip showing how big it would be in comparison to the regular Utah. Not showing off the manga at though.
ancient spindle
Yeah that was it
icy onyx
How big is the magna raptor gonna be compared to the hypo utah
No one knows the size of th
The hypo utah yet I believe.
I'd imagine it to be outright deadlier than the magna raptor
Tho we all know the point of the magna raptor is to excel at raptor behavior
So i feel like those two might be sidegrades to eachother which is cool
sinful sable
Assuming Hyper and Magna Rexes are how the other ones will kinda be to each other.
I would say Magnas will be able to kill their strain counterparts but still be slightly weaker I would imagine.
celest panther
What if this channel exists just for the lulz for the devs...
sharp frigate
We're getting #401470471750811669. Clearing irrelevant "discussion".
pallid tiger
What if the isle is just a simulation... inside another simulation?
proven fog
what if the isle..........is just a game?
vagrant willow
gritty reef
welp I'm back after trying to convert every, single, one, of tap wings illustrations that were in the loading sequence into code, (spoiler alert: I didn't finish it was way to long)
icy onyx
oh?
loud fern
Well if you look at the loading screan, im pretty sure your playing as a human who has a camera near or on a dinosaur, and is watching it survive
gritty reef
I was only able to convert 2 since I both needed to find the original sources for all the images (to make sure that there was no adaptation to the code) and I needed to find what all the images were (since there's only a guess to how many are there) so I then had the idea to convert the actual video that plays in the beginning but I never got around to it.
loud fern
im a bit confused to as what you just said..
gritty reef
In the loading sequence when you open the game there's a bunch up pictures that are put behind static and sped up I wanted to try and convert those images to code and see what they mean.
placid harness
I find it odd that there is mention of Government officials in the load screen.
Maybe this is all some top secret project by Russia.
shy basin
thats quite the jump from goverment official to russia
loud fern
that's a good idea @gritty reef
plain gale
proceeds to get prosecuted by real world officials
gritty reef
@Atlanti#0974 thx
also if you didn't spot this earlier the Apollo Engineering logo is Latin alphanumeric code
or rather a Latin diphthong
oh no....I've been using the wrong code (I just found that there's an entire code devoted to ASCII) http://www.theasciicode.com.ar/
loud fern
wow, good for you!
strange pewter
Hmmmm I wonder if the Magna Strain will be developed PURELY because of KIlling for Sport
Seems like the Overly Exadurated feature of a creature that Kills for the sake of killing like a Demon from the pits of Hell
placid harness
Maybe the Magnas were made last minute to track down and clean out / repel an area of other Strains? It really seems that way, remembering that the Magnaraptor was said to basically have thermal vision and OP sense of smell (Dev interview on Anthomnia's channel, https://youtu.be/s5y8KgmqByQ?t=760). I also think I remember a tid-bit of lore about a Magna rex entering a habitat filled to the brim with Hypos (https://twitter.com/theisleofficial/status/890838936620105728). The way it was presented, it seemed as if whatever Hypos were in there were really screwed.
sinful sable
@placid harness The Twitter comment was when Magna was shown biting and killing the Hyper Rex
placid harness
The reasons I think they were a last minute project is as follows:
- The Island / territory is (possibly) in the process of being reclaimed (https://twitter.com/theisleofficial/status/946869360144076800), which means something happened that resulted in it being either overrun or it needing to be abandoned. I'm going to take a guess and say this is due to the strains and whatever else was cooked up in Apollo's meth lab. Cross referencing with a few other facts, the Magnas may not have been as efficient at fixing things up as planned.
- The tweet I already presented in the post above, talking about a Magnatyrannus entering a habitat, in a way that made it sound like it was some sort of intrusion that would be detrimental to the Strain already inside. The "ALERT" part of the tweet creates a sense of urgency and frantic in the reader, possibly suggesting it was not intentional and may have been the result of sloppy procedure or being unprepared on whoever made the damn thing's part.
sinful sable
it was waiting for 100 people to go onto the stream and the clip started with the still images, cool music, and the Magna standing on the Hyper at the end.
As of now it feels like Magna is a slightly Weaker but more balanced for a longer lifespan creature since its not a "Send in to eat everything for a week before dying of starvation"
placid harness
That makes sense, but isn't there an Atrium dedicated to specifically the "Type-H" specimens?
grizzled dune
Atrium C yes
placid harness
I feel as if it wouldn't be completely out of the question that the Magna and lone Hyperendocrin rex were not alone.
In terms of their surroundings.
I have no idea how big that Atrium-C possibly can be.
I'm just imagining some miles long extended, dome-like structure.
sinful sable
Ehh. It feels less like a direct lore thing and more so just "Cool In Character way to show off new thing"
placid harness
Its more fun to speculate as if it was direct lore though.
sinful sable
It feels like it's just saying with no one on hand controlling stuff the AI/Bot/What ever partially runs The Isle was showing that the two who escaped were heading together
And when they got together it was a very important thing to pay attention to.
placid harness
I'm not sure where it said two things escaped, unless I didn't read closely. I remember it saying the Magnatyrannus solus has entered the habitat.
grizzled dune
Magnatyrannus is unlikely to be made "Last minute"
All-father existed since Phoenix days (assuming that phoenix no longer exists) and was part of the re-aquiered assets,more precisely Specimen B-442 and B-443
placid harness
The last minute bit is a bit outrageous on my part, yes.
sinful sable
I doubt they would be holding multiple hyper aggressive hyper predatory animals in touching distance of each other
So it would be the Hyper Rex only enclosure had a preexisting hole or the Magnatyrannus broke into it and then began the fight
placid harness
I doubt they would do that as well, but I don't think Atrium-C is like a pig pen of Type-H. Maybe it could hold several smaller chambers within.
icy onyx
What if magna rex was design to kill and eat all of the hypos food source to kill it more quickly
sinful sable
Then why would it be able to kill the Hypo directly.
We need to know what the dinosaurs are even made for (Bioweapons? Genetic testing?) before we know why the Magnas and Hypers exist.
icy onyx
It has a chance to, but it would make sense that it would have to be able to hunt and kill all of the hypos prey-types and thus require it to be similar in stature/size/strength
I imagine it's a biological game of chess
sinful sable
If you're gonna make something thats as dangerous as a hyper but has more survivability to kill a Hyper then you're an idiot for Bioweapon making.
outer hull
I think it was stated that hypos and magnas in a fight is 50/50
It would make sense that hypos were created for a military/weapon purpose. They could also be a failed attempt at creating something else
sinful sable
CEO: "Let's see. we have a Type-H problem. what are we gonna do.."
Bob: "MAKE ANOTHER TYPE-H BUT IT DOESN'T STARVE TO DEATH AFTER 2 DAYS! IT CAN LIVE FOR A WEEK WITHOUT FOOD! That way it eats the others food and keeps surviving so we have ANOTHER PROBLEM!"
CEO: "Brilliant Bob!"
sinful sable
It's like trying to solve a Terrorist problem by bombing the area with an even bigger bomb
Why would you do it.
outer hull
But if they already created a creature as powerful as a hypo, why create tissos or neuro dinos?
Or magna for that matter
A military purpose seems most likely
sinful sable
Tissos are smaller and stealthy (assumedly)
And Neuro can problem solve on the fly
is how I would think of it at least.
outer hull
Then why create herbivores
For food?
Or cannibals even
Seems like a combination of military drive as well as experimenting in an unknown field of science
placid harness
I think they just made something that could comfortably fill the niche of a insertbasedinosaurhere in the ecosystem, while not draining it of the food sources, at the same time being able to compete with Hypos. Seems like Magnas are more efficient hunting strains/whatever they are.
outer hull
Very high level genetics
sinful sable
It's all genetic testing. and Cannibals feel like a Incomplete version of the Neurotenic Mastermind
sinful sable
Herbivores could be a simple case of "We can do it so why not" or being unable to tell what you're making before hand.
outer hull
Me too
placid harness
Its not like they are gonna make herbivore strains.
There is no point.
Herbivores compliment the ecosystem nicely.
outer hull
Cannibals were maybe an initial expirement
placid harness
They can actual support the large predators they aim to make.
outer hull
Before testing on an (very expensive) animal
sinful sable
Being that Echidna was named "Mother of Cannibals" I've always felt like "she" had something to do with them.
Along with the fact Cannibals are closest to Neurotenics then anything else appearence wise.
placid harness
Mhm. Maybe thats one of the abilities. Infection
Infection sounds a bit sloppy, actually. Perhaps transformation is better.
sinful sable
I've always imagined that Echidna would have a nest of Cannibals surrounding her so you can't roll up with a pistol and place a few shots into her head and get out alive
placid harness
A Cannibal is one hell of a bodyguard.
11 feet tall and one of, if not the fastest thing around.
sinful sable
I would imagine they would probably be kinda glass cannony
like If you line up two rifle shots you would take it down. But they are so agile it's hard to keep track
placid harness
If you shot it while it was running I feel like it would stumble and break its neck.
That would be one hell of an encounter though, going down with a squad of people to kill the mastermind and getting swarmed by these huge things.
Maybe the Mastermind replicates the strain and somehow inserts it into other humans to become her servant / bodyguards / ooga-boogas.
That gives me an idea. What if certain strains had to be given to a dinosaur before birth? Imagine a female Spinosaurus having the developing eggs inside of her injected with the Neuro strain, and having a young Neuro Spino rip out of the Spinosaurus like a freakin Neomorph.
That could explain the fucked up sail maybe.
Maybe some of the strains are born like that Cordyceps fungus, they get their host to get somewhere safe and have them just sit there, incubating.
gritty reef
Am I the only one who thinks that cannibals look like magna strain human?
cinder atlas
Yes.
icy onyx
Yes
proven fog
yes
icy onyx
indeed good sir
icy onyx
I wonder, what if the strains are all located on different regions/islands? Like for example Region2 having only tissos, and region3 having only hypos...? It would kind of fit in, as those separate islands/regions could be different testing grounds for the strains.
And some maps being where multiple strains are, as in being tested on what will happen if a nuero encounters a hypo, or that is where they were originally created with other strains, and then escaping the enclosures
icy onyx
Also, all the dinosaurs and the strains in way go through some sort of pattern now that I think about it, for example: AE made dinosaurs as weapons, but considering that they can easily be seen and shot down, they made the tisso to sneak up and attack, however, it would be hard for it to get through heavily armored buildings, so AE made the Hypo, which could crush the buildings easily, allowing the smaller tisso to stealthfully get in, HOWEVERRRR, cameras could pick up the strains, track them down, and kill them. Not only that, but whose to say they wont just kill each other...? Thats where the nuero comes in, to both have the ability to disable electronics, AND from what I have heard, communicate to other species, and is able to create plans and whatnot.... SO, basically, the nuero could communicate to the two species, telling them food is inside, and how they could get them, disable the electronics, let the hypo get through the building avoiding detection, and let the smaller and stealthier tisso get in and stealthfully take out the humans.
And, if they do somehow manage to track down the dinosaurs, thats where the hypo gun thing and magna comes in, to take out the hypo, being created by the opposing military. And while you may say "What about the other strains..?", the devs probably didn't give out any hints about any strain or creation that could take out the opposing strain, or, they did give out hints, but they are rather cryptic, or hidden in some code. Or the primordial could be linked to this.
Just a theory tho :3
Or, that dragon thing ppls been referencing to could just burn everything, perhaps, it could take down the nuero by flying at a safe distance, and breathing fire at it, which could be fatal to its sensitive looking skin.
mk im done theorizing, my fingers hurt
cinder atlas
Reminder to read channel rules.
icy onyx
Me..?
cinder atlas
Nope.
scenic scarab
What if the colossus is the source of the Hypo gene and there is a source of the neuro, tisso and magna genes. And all those are the original children of the matriarch. And cannibals are Hypo humans and there are Neuro Tisso and Magna humans. Meanwhile the dinos on the island are "lesser children" so to speak, made to be more like dinosaurs by modern humans.
nimble flare
Going by that logic then the original source of the neuro is Echidna, and the Tisso is the Reaper
And magna is not described as a strain
icy onyx
Pretty Sure Manga doesn't have a source thought AE created it to hunt down the hypos, So its engineered to deal with maybe only them specifically
scenic scarab
Wonder if anyone wants to draw a neuro human. I'd do that myself but I can't draw
nimble flare
The Neuro echidna is a thing
icy onyx
Pretty sure The Neuro Humans, are Reaper, Echidna possibly.
nimble flare
Reaper is tisso
scenic scarab
Then what are the original bearers of the gene
icy onyx
Who knows if there even are.
Maybe they just made a Gene and threw into people and dinosaurs for experimentation to further their understanding of it.. Maybe they did it because the Gene was found during that time period. Honestly I doubt though.
scenic scarab
The magna gene is the only artificial gene as far as I know
the others are natural I think
like the colossus being the original Hypo
Reaper and Echidna could be the tisso, neuro humans
And I'm talking about my theory, not any other
half sinew
It was stated that strains are not natural
And all strain dinosaurs are sterile
Strain genes are artificial, and Reapers (there were several if old transmissions and inquiries are still cannon) are the product of inserting the tissoplastic strain into human subjects
languid fable
Even shows in the starting segment of a neuro-spino on a lab table in a bay-like room
half sinew
By that logic, we can assume the Colossus and Echidna are also the products of strain genes being inserted into humans
languid fable
Maybe unforseen reactions to the strains due to rare chemicle imbalances found in the human subjects?
half sinew
If my memory serves right, it took quite a few tests for Dr.Vega to create a stable Reaper
glacial moth
did you see the part of the video
that i highlighted
the one with the flipped text
in the mainframe of the isle
hearty mulch
@scenic scarab Colossus, Echidna, and the Reapers are humans who had the strains inserted/replicated inside of them
And yeah took vega a bit to get the tisso strain to not kill the people it was inserted into
All that being said, however, Echidna may be the source of the playable neuro strains given what we have.
Or at least some of them.
nimble flare
Or a theory that I like about echidna is that she is responsible for creating the cannibros
hearty mulch
Wouldn't discount that because spreadable strain
ancient spindle
I mean she's called mother of cannibals
hearty mulch
Mother of Monsters
nimble flare
no, you'd be right
sinful sable
I mean. If they keep the telepathic thing she could just control them. But I do definitely prefer the idea of her being (at least partially) responsible for making them
languid fable
the thing about echidna being the source of the playable neuro strain would make sense, since Echidna is the mother of all monsters
sinful sable
I mean. It has been said you'll need to work to get the strain.
Having the Echidna be the source sounds like you could go in and he "Hey. I'm all fancy and shit make me a Neuro for yo"
icy onyx
Think magna was created as a 'strain hunter' able to evenly match up against any single strain creature by balancing traits of each instead of investing 100% to one area of expertise.
Example: tackling Hyperendocrine Rex; wouldn't be able to go toe to toe in terms of strength and mass but makes up with it through increased agility and intelligence to outmanoeuvre and outplay the creature.
Magna raptor would be able to take down the smaller strains like Utah and Carno in packs as the magna rex wouldn't keep up maybe?
placid harness
I think Magnaraptor was stated to have OP scent and vision a long time ago. Not sure if it holds up to this day but if it does I wouldn't doubt that the Magna's are somehow a combination of all three. Or they could just be another one of Apollo's shenanigans and be good ol' fashion GMO.
wraith coral
I had an idea for magnaraptor, maybe it could pounce on puertas
nimble flare
Not really a theory
turbid patio
@icy onyx That's a good theory, and would explain why the Magna Rex has always been known as the Alfather. Though I'm interested to see the fully finished Magna Rex and Raptor to see how they truly stack up, the Rex moreso compared to the 3 Apex Hyper strains
wraith coral
I had a theory that I know will be debunked. The matriarch could be a magnatyrannus.
Or a hypo rex
hearty mulch
debunked
gritty reef
hey is there currently and known location of the isle servers? (in reference to real geography)
besides the map sequence because there's no canon proof of those dots being islands
strong patio
Hypo theory #1 Maybe Hypos were made by radiation
Or Maybe Hypos were normal dinos and they were bitten by a bug or mosquito and mutated into a hypo here's my story there was a radioactive experiment in a lab and then they tested but something when wrong a small creature was in the testing area and then the mosquito escaped it was an accident accident but when the mosquito escape it was out for blood and then it bitten a regular rex and then the rex screamed and pain so loud that every creature in the island then the mutation cama color changing size changing
Hypo theory #2 maybe hypos were created to the humans to use em in battle's a hypo that big could possibly be controlled by humans u know why I think this theory is true in the AE there's a hypo rex statue and a lab that and a giant cage like in Jurassic world land creatures could possible live in that cage maybe the female hypo rex was enslaved by the humans to force birth baby hypos to use in battle
mellow parrot
The hypos however are sterile so the whole enslaving female hypo is busted
It is not stated, but infered that the strains are also man-made for some purpose, the only thing is we don't know specifically what that purpose is
neat ferry
sinful sable
I thought the Al(l)father was the Hypers?
cinder atlas
When Allfather was activated, it spit out Magnatyrannus Solus.
shy basin
One of the other options is basically confirmed as quetz by the loading screens or a transmission iirc
sinful sable
it says Allfather is the attempt at creating a perfect organism free of project tampering.
So that to me makes it possible to be one of the first tests or one of the last (could have been before Type-H,T, and N) and it got semi refined into those. or it could be after the three and worked on trying to mix them into a perfect organism.
But I see no reason they were created spefifically to deal with any of the strains.
also. pretty sure I rememeber Alphonse also having to do with Shantunga didn't it?
I remember in the Old server when I first heard of Alphonse i had heard Quetz and Shantunga
placid harness
I wonder how smart each strain is.
sinful sable
Hypers are probably tradionally really dumb I would imagine.
just running around eating what ever. decent at basic hunting tactics but prefering to just run it and grab anything they can.
cinder atlas
Alphonse has some relation to Quetz, via loading screen text. Never Shant, though.
sinful sable
something like a Tisso I would think has more ambush tactics along with weaken the prey before finishing it.
And Neuro is just mind games all over the place.
@cinder atlas I think it was before the loading screens back when it was Khorne and Twitch
cinder atlas
Back then Alphonse was one of the unknown profiles that Khorne could have picked.
sinful sable
I rememeber we knew Alphonse had something to do with Quetz but I swear I rememeber hearing of shant during all of that but now I can't go back and see so....
high heath
Magna strains are just...bearable strains. Sorta like a Hypo that won't eventually starve and destroy the enviornment. I was thinking that the strains have branches, sort of a...inbetween strain. Like so, Tyrannosaurus, Magnatyrannus, Hypo rex. Or Utahraptor, Magnaraptor, the Hypo Utahraptor. It could be a sort of balance, where either the Magna kills the living Hypo at the time, then transitions into it, or the Hypo kills the living Magna and starves until another Magna comes to challenge its rule.
Sort of like a balance. One kills the other so the enviornment isn't totally devastated.
Then the cycle begins again, where one fights the other in a sort of endless struggle.
That could also mean the other strains have transitions. Like a Carno turns into a mixture until it finally becomes a Nuero strain, or a Tribal slowly transitions and mutates, such as having hightened senses until it finally turns into the strain Cannibal.
cinder atlas
I do believe that it's been said that "Magna" creatures aren't strains.
cinder atlas
I've not heard anything about them being hybrids, either. Created for some purpose, yes. How and why? Nothing yet.
high heath
Well, considering the entire island isn't a wasteland and Dinosaurs are roaming around, I think the "balance" portion makes sense. Magna either kills Hypos off or the Hypo starves until a Magna challenges it.
icy onyx
Are strains confirmed to be manufactured actually? I am curious if they are a genetic fuck up or if they have been designed intensively.
high heath
I think (judging by some of Tapwings "unofficial" art) they are manufactured.
Man made.
icy onyx
Don't think it's safe to judge off of unofficial art.
icy onyx
I can see them being indirectly man made though
Like if they were exposed to radiation on failed human tests
high heath
Might be.
icy onyx
Say, a failed specimen is disposed of in the forest, and a carnotaur stumbles upon the corpse. There is a chemical in the corpse and it's highly addictive, driving the carnotaur to want more . In the process it exposes itself to more of the chemical and the sheer amount of it causes the animal to mutate.
Maybe certain animals have a janky genome (looking at apex carnivores here) that cause them to be more susceptible to the chemical and have more sensitive genes that are easily changed by the chemical.
icy onyx
Yeah, kinda
high heath
Night explain the Hypos, though the Neuro and the other one makes it a bit harder to explain
icy onyx
Maybe cannibals emit the radiation once deceased and Don is messing with us by saying "Don't go in caves"
Might be different chemicals for different strains as well
high heath
Well, that or the Cannibals can kill adult Carnotaurus
placid harness
I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Magnas were hybrids. The Magntyrannus has the osteoderms that are uncannily similar to those of crocodiles, the coloration certainly could indicate so.
The Magnaraptor though... look at that thing. Dondi said its design was based off a few animals I can't remember. I'm just going to assume one of them was a Komodo dragon.
That Magnaraptor looks like a hybrid. Definitely not some sort of Frankenstein that you would expect, but something that was made by a very talented team.
languid wind
Magnaraptor was JP raptor + monitor lizard + pit viper
pretty sure
it's got pits around the nose like pit viper
placid harness
Actually that makes sense. I believe Magnaraptor was supposed to have extremely good thermal sensing.
That thing is gonna be a master tracker.
fossil lily
I think both the MagnaRaptor and Magna Rex are both manufactured
Cause if I remember correctly I remember someone said they were made to be the "Perfect" species
icy onyx
I think theres just so many magna strains, each magna is develop to deal with a specific strain, magna T with hypos, magna R with tissos, and we need one more magna to handle the neuros
fossil lily
Yeah that makes sense
Cuz i remember the teaser for the magna had the magna killing a hypo rex
Magna Raptor could be good for possibly both tisso or neuro
Speaking raptors are already smart, so I would imagine a "Perfect" specimen raptor would be extremely intelligent
Cause even thought Neuros would most likely be weaker. They would be more intelligent and would be most likely capable of taking on the other strains
So you would need something to combat that intelligence
icy onyx
No "Perfect Specimen" was or is thought to be the Matriarch
fossil lily
What is the Matriarch? Idk why but I have not heard of it
grizzled dune
The Matriarch was described as a " completely adaptable organism " in the Console transcription stream.
"User Inquiry: The Matriarch
Coinciding with objective parameters to complete an EIP.
I have developed a completely adaptable organism within Tartarus.
Once another profile is complete, the Matriarch will redistribute within the observable areas of Tartarus for study.
It is not correct to call it a dinosaur, but I have not given it a name. "
we also got this from the loading screens:
"AE-IRT-010
Incident report transcript 32 part 2.
"...leading up to the compound itself.Upon reaching the structure,speciemen (blank space) began pacing.We expected the same type of rage one would expect from any aggressive animal,but it was subdued,focused,and calculated.She was the matriarch,and no one was taking her offspring.Not here.Not now.Not ever""
So not much is known as you can see.
fossil lily
Hmm
I wish we could have more of those Console Streams
So is it possible the Matriarch is made to deal with Magnas?
grizzled dune
We don't know yet,and as far as we know,The Matriarch has no relation with Magna/Solus strains.
fossil lily
I have a feeling if they make a perfect specimen they would have to have some way of controlling it
So I am thinking, because they say they don't call it a dinosaur. Maybe the "Perfect Specimen" is part machine. Something that can be easily maintained and easily shut down if needed.
icy onyx
Well you see we don't know AE intentions so they could make the perfect specimen just for whatever they need it for it can do everything they want it to do.
Pretty sure it wouldn't be part machine
fossil lily
True. I just don't see it being 100% a living organism. Cause otherwise if it where to go rouge they would need some sort of failsafe for it.
If they had made it the Perfect Specimen I find it hard for them going head on fighting it to take it down
icy onyx
It's living for sure, with genetic tampering to where it's enhanced to do x. X can be whatever
fossil lily
Yeah I guess depending on how advanced this company is in technology they could easily do enough genetic engineering to it to make it loyal to them.
icy onyx
Also about the Manga pretty sure it's the only one of its kind atm
It's meant to deal with Hypo
And I remember something about the hypo being the prototype for something
Well you see, they are recovering AE-001 from I'm assuming the Hypo are rampaging and the AE Personal need help so that's why The Manga was created
Hypo aren't loyal so they can't control somethings loyalty
fossil lily
Possibly if Magna was the prototype it may have failed
So maybe they tried the magna raptor and it failed too
icy onyx
No.
Isn't there a picture of the Hyper, and a tisso, possibly neuro rex picture somewhere
fossil lily
The dossiers
grizzled dune
icy onyx
Thanks
fossil lily
Like im thinking the reason they saying Matriarch is not a dinosaur well because its obviously not one. I think they could not control the dinosaurs primal instincts so they have tried to go to something more intelligent?
icy onyx
Matriarch is man made and probably not a Dino at all
fossil lily
The only Dinos I could see that they could them somewhat being able to control is Neuro because of their high intelligence
I don't know how brainwashing a dinosaur would work but with their higher intelligence it could MAYBE be possible
icy onyx
Wouldn't be surprised if Neuro can control you to do something
fossil lily
Possibly
Some Neuros could even be smart enough to realize they were made
Realizing how weak and fragile they are, but if they can control people what is stopping them from controlling other dinos
Making them go on rampages, turning against their creaters
Like idk if there will ever be a Neuro Utah
But if there ever is then with the Utah raptors already high intelligence, then it is scary to think with the Neuro strain how smart that dinosaur could be
covert chasm
what do you mean 'new hypo'
fossil lily
^
wary eagle
oh gosh we have enough problems with regular giga
we don't need a hypo version of this
sinful sable
You're correct. We don't need a tiny sick giga
But being Serious. Hyper Giga is a Large animal shredder. It's jaws are basically flesh mashers that shred through the skin
sudden prawn
wary eagle
The Isle could very easily be what happens when the next big Genetic Enginneering company gets ahold of the ideas InGen had
I mean, Spino and Cerato look almost identical to the ones InGen bred
So does Utah
It could very easily be the same genetic code
I think it might take place in the same universe
But maybe one where the dinosaurs got out to the mainland and kicked human butt
And then there's the two factions where there are the people that stocked up on weapons and gear and training (mercs) and the people that learned to live in the shadow of our avian overlords (tribals)
I know there's other stuff going on in Isle too with Allfather and all that stuff
But I haven't found anything about that to read up on
placid harness
Yeah Jurassic Park and the Isle are in the same universe.
wary eagle
Cool I got something right for once
sinful sable
Except they aren't.
I think dats a joke.
wary eagle
I can dream
sinful sable
And the Isle Cerato is a True cerato just similar red.
wary eagle
with the black markings and blue eyes too
sinful sable
The JWE cerato is a lot more similar but that's because they are remaking the design
wary eagle
Still, it's really close even to the JPIII cerato
Size is easily tampered with, and so is color
but the color patterns are almost identical
sinful sable
And the Spino in the Isle is literally a real Spino but with tall legs and a few anatomical inmacuracies
The JP3 spoon is a Sucho with a Crocodile head and a scrunched up sail.
amber fox
ohh by new hypo i only meant the new animations. sorry i didnt clerify XD
icy onyx
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tacit plank
Thanks for the input.
icy onyx
The first and third image are the profile of the neuro spino that was revealed last year.
Neuro Spino was done by Tapwing here.
And don't quote me on this one, but the second image looks like the hypo or tisso carno.
And the final image /could/ be the sub tisso rex.
plain gale
🤔 edgy anthomnia rex
misty zealot
Sorry but no...
not a fuckin' chance
nuh uh
and yeah second image is indeed that g'dol Tisso Rex concept, relic that is.
misty zealot
Boop
icy onyx
Oh, it's an adult tisso rex?