🚀EN - 1.20 Modpack Contribution Megathread

[brave cairn]

uhhh try just using it like a bucket?

I think it takes creosote 🤔

[exotic wraith]

i tried loading it in a barrel

did nothing

lemme try a drum

[brave cairn]

try something that has like, the input slot like on a machine

or an input hatch

[exotic wraith]

ill ask in gtcord

[brave cairn]

next step requires you to do the whole latex thing. The assembler recipes were changed to use the board instead of a bolt, but they're still significantly cheaper

lastly, the culmination of steam age progression

[coral vault]

I appreciate making them on step

[brave cairn]

a single vacuum tube needing two glass tubes always bugged me lol

where did the other tube go?!

[coral vault]

its a sandwich of tubes

[exotic wraith]

ok so, if it means anything.

[brave cairn]

also I made some new unfinished items to match the new art!

[exotic wraith]

the electric jetpack is slow as piss compared to a gyrodrone

or a biplane

[brave cairn]

the mv one? yeah it's shit

[exotic wraith]

yeah, and the biplane gyrodrone and uhhh, warship are LV

like, a gyrodrone took me around 7 seconds to travel 100 blocks

mv jetpack was like 14

[brave cairn]

yeah makes sense

[exotic wraith]

even the advanced jetpack took slightly less time

still higher than 7 seconds

[brave cairn]

my thoughts are basically, not making them too expensive that people just don't bother and just wait for the better jetpacks or something instead

[exotic wraith]

and the only one that actually beats a gyrodrone is the nanosuit

[coral vault]

elytra too👀

[brave cairn]

like I totally get that making big mech crafting recipes is fun, but you can always pad them out with cheap stuff like rods, bolts, and screws so the overall thing isn't too expensive

[brave cairn]

elytra is kinda pants with no mending 😔

[exotic wraith]

Elytra are boring asf imo

[brave cairn]

it is tbh

[exotic wraith]

we can keep them for the normies

[brave cairn]

though I will say

try flying around with an elytra while "do a barrel roll" is turned on

I think it's I by default?

[exotic wraith]

i love do a barrel roll

unironically make shte elytra fun

[coral vault]

i like elytra 😔

creative mode style flight is definitely a lot more useful tho

[brave cairn]

I wouldn't mind making elytra available earlier, because rn you get them the same time you get adv nanosuit and they just don't compare

[exotic wraith]

you cant even craft them

actually

[brave cairn]

second page

[coral vault]

or make them unbreakable? idk

[exotic wraith]

how the fuck do you get them

ah

lol

[brave cairn]

I JUST made that mistake 😂

[brave cairn]

could make them come with mending built-on

though, there's not much in the way of xp sources, so

they already have a repair recipe, could just increase their durability and make the repair + craft recipe cheaper

(btw, polyvinyl butryl is fiberglass, if you were wondering)

[coral vault]

in the minecraft movie they looked like they were mad eof aluminum foill

so lets go with that right?

[brave cairn]

yeah the fiberglass is a bit much to do if you don't have oils yet

(you usually only use it for laminated glass which is for IV+ stuff)

[exotic wraith]

So i think the current recipe for the gyrodrone is ok, it just takes a bunch of cloth but imo it's fine as it is. 16 cloth in total for the 4 sails in the recipe

that and the propeller is the most expensive bits

[brave cairn]

could be that plus nylon (polycaprolactam foil)

[exotic wraith]

going to make the biplane just use regular hulls.

bunch of iron

[brave cairn]

that could make it like, early HV

[exotic wraith]

but you should have that by the time you get into the end of LV

[brave cairn]

that looks reasonable

[exotic wraith]

yeah, before it used reinforced hull for the wings

which

*its a bit too much

interestingly enough most LV planes are far, far faster than the jetpacks

so planes still have their niche cateogyr of "you can use these to travel very, very far away relatively fast

[brave cairn]

yeah, at the mild inconvenience of having to remember to bring fuel with you

[exotic wraith]

The charcoal in my backpack

[brave cairn]

the local tree when you run out of fuel:

[exotic wraith]

i think i'm going to make the economy plane from man of many planes be accessed before aluminum

it's the first proper plane you can craft but its relatively slow compared to the biplane or the scarlet biplane

[brave cairn]

sure

this machine's first recipe

god imagine making this thing and not letting players ride it

it's so sad

[exotic wraith]

awww

i was JUST testing that!

that's so fucking lame

[brave cairn]

(you can do something similar with a mechanical bearing and seats, but still)

[exotic wraith]

i want my improved turntable

have you ever ridden a turntable at 256 rpm?

[brave cairn]

speaking of which, where the fuck did all the create recipes go

[exotic wraith]

are you sure you didnt accidentally nuke all of them?

[brave cairn]

I'm checking

I'm suspicious of greate

it wouldn't be the first time I found it mucking about with a load of create's recipes

[coral vault]

hows 2046?

[brave cairn]

what is it normally?

oh 432

yeah that's a big improvement

[exotic wraith]

Inb4 greate disables all of create's regular recipes

That'd be funny

[brave cairn]

mm I don't think it's create

[coral vault]

so. vintage improvements calls it aluminum and everywhere else calls it aluminium

unplayable

[exotic wraith]

American Ahh spelling moment

[brave cairn]

well, idk where the recipes have gone, but, there's not that many to add back and this lets us gregify them, so

whatever I guess

I can do that

[coral vault]

phantoms in the nether drop phantom membranes right?

[brave cairn]

are they disabled for you guys? like if you look at the recipe for the create wrench

[brave cairn]

yep and it's considered a cloth now too

[coral vault]

yep

[brave cairn]

hm! well ok I can do them then

[exotic wraith]

[coral vault]

okay, ill probably include it for elytra then

[brave cairn]

also I like the nylon idea for the elytra because then you have to actually work a bit for them

(and the nylon is useful anyway to make lots of string)

maybe a bit of both!

idk up to you

[exotic wraith]

new whagship recipe

[brave cairn]

could make it require mechanical crafters too, keeping in the spirit lol

[exotic wraith]

@brave cairn we can add new items to existing gt materials, right?

thinking about making the economy plane built mostly out of long treated wood sticks (which they dont exist)

and the main ingredient would be blue steel plates.

since the cabin is blue

unthinkable

[coral vault]

hows this?

[brave cairn]

looks cool! you could throw some stainless steel on there if you wanted, since you need HV to craft the nylon

or maybe vanadium steel since that's MV's "secondary metal"?

idk!

[brave cairn]

yep absolutely, I had to add a few gears to existing metals recently

look in startup scripts/gtceu/materials.js

where all the GENERATE_X flags get added

[exotic wraith]

[coral vault]

ill use vanadium steel for the long rods

[exotic wraith]

gonna make something funny

man of many planes's economy is going to use wrought iron rotors, and a create steam engine

technically gated only behind blue steel

do we still get relatively cheap plate creation before the bender?

since i know only with the bender do you get actual one to one ratio of sheets

maybe the turbine blades are a bit too expensive for this

@brave cairn before you go gregnight could you tell me if one should already have a decent way of making plates by the time you unlock steam power?

tentative economy plane recipe

i might replace the turbine blade with it's tag

technically speaking the cheapest option is bronze i think, for the turbine blades anyways

so prolly just leaving the tag works fine enough

yeah fuck it, tag it is

68 ingots is a lot damn

[brave cairn]

yes, rolling mill for 1:1, though it needs vac tubes and black steel

[exotic wraith]

ehh, still if youre smart you'll just use the cheapest metal, which is bronze, for turbine blades

so i think this is fine.

[brave cairn]

that's 40 ingots just for the rotor blades...

[exotic wraith]

ok yeah thats too much

LOL

[brave cairn]

the normal rotors are already annoying enough without the solidifier lol

[exotic wraith]

i think i'm just gonna use rotors yes

specifically i'm going to enable the creation of a black steel rotor

[brave cairn]

ooo

[exotic wraith]

and use 4 of those bad boys

so the final recipe for the economy plane is just 4 black steel rotors

[brave cairn]

bit random but I still wonder whta the fuck greg was thinking when the lv jetpack uses lead rotors

like no fucking wonder you're barely getting off the ground 😂

[exotic wraith]

very likely a reference to Thomas Midgley JR

the lead rotors combine with the noxious fumes

and reduce the population's IQ over generations

https://tenor.com/view/memes-gif-23500520

[brave cairn]

oh I see lol

[exotic wraith]

amazing how much harm a single chemist can do

[brave cairn]

you seen uhh what's his face, the guy who both invented artificial fertiliser and also wwi chemical weapons

[exotic wraith]

no

lol

[brave cairn]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Haber

[exotic wraith]

OH LOL

of course it had to be german

apologies in advance to any german in the chat

[exotic wraith]

boom

actually its just 16 wrought iron

32 cloth is a bit silly tho

then agian

it's any cloth

so i think its fine

yeah that'll be the recipe for the economy plane

now time for the scarlet biplane

which is technically the best plane in the game

[brave cairn]

cloth is quite a bit easier to get with the nether - lots of spiderwebs, piglin trades, hunt phantoms...

and then all the red deer drop a large hide each, so more leather too

[exotic wraith]

The HV plane in question

and with that, i got all the major aircraft's recipes

[brave cairn]

nice nice

thank you for this!

[exotic wraith]

ye

gonna make them into actual crafter recipes

and then its gregnight

oh thats a big fucking boy

LOL

my brain really said "mechanical crafter has a max grid size of 9x9 and i'll use every single one if i need to!

ignore the block of copper, some of the recipés arent finished yet

but that total cost is kinda funny

[brave cairn]

ohhhh I know what happened with create

the original cogwheels got deleted for greate's, and that also wiped out the recipes that use them

[brave cairn]

34 jesus lol

also dang is it really 9x9? I swear ATM has it bigger

I guess they just changed it with a mixin lol

[exotic wraith]

very likely lol

but yeah kjs limits it to 9x9

ctually

the recipe doesnt even work?

is it too stupid?

i wonder if its 9x9 inclusive or exclusive

[brave cairn]

that looks like vanilla iron bars?

[exotic wraith]

curse wrought iron bars having the same texture as iron bars

lmao

aw yeah

[exotic wraith]

rotation speed controler not requiring electron tubes/precision mechanism?

bold move

i like it

[brave cairn]

well, those are further off now

and I think suffering with just cogs through bronze and iron ages is long enough lol (that's steel on the bottom)

I could make it a black steel plate instead though... hmmm

maybe I will do that, then see how many people complain, lol

[exotic wraith]

Early Game Enjoyers really do be eatin great with 0.9 ong frfr

actually good quests

immersive aircraft

good create integration

[brave cairn]

hell yeah I'm very excited to see what people think

and I couldnt've done it without you guys either, I can't understate how much of a help you've been

[exotic wraith]

gyrodyne cost

its likely even less wrought iron

considering that by LV time you already have the bender

which means 1 to 1 plates

[brave cairn]

yeah the limiter here is the aluminium, right?

[exotic wraith]

yup

[brave cairn]

submitted all my stuff, could you do a quick pull and check I haven't broken everything for you? 🥺

[exotic wraith]

sure thing

lemme test out the WAGH-ship crafting first

checking out your stuff now

me pushing my work to main

aight

lets see if stuff's borked

aight

@brave cairn no startup, client or server errors thrown

[brave cairn]

pog

[exotic wraith]

congrats on not breaking production 🥳

ok that was too mean

sorry

[brave cairn]

LOL well deserved

anyway a different server's streaming a beta version of the mc movie so

[exotic wraith]

oh no

is it the really, REALLY poor quality one

[brave cairn]

it's the one where half the animation isn't finished and the credits say TBD everywhere

[exotic wraith]

how the fuck did that leak LMAO

that's amazing

[coral vault]

@brave cairn

• Added Building Gadgets with integration
• Modified elytra wings

new push time

[brave cairn]

yoo

[exotic wraith]

And with that, all aircrafts have recipes

[worthy tusk]

please tell me there's a non-create recipe for all that

[exotic wraith]

no

[coral vault]

lol

[worthy tusk]

guess i'll be makine some PRs!

[exotic wraith]

Sure thing! just make it require long times for assembly in the assembler ig

[worthy tusk]

nah, assline prolly

[exotic wraith]

isnt assembly line extreme voltage?

[worthy tusk]

no it's LuV

[exotic wraith]

lol

i mean

sure? but technically speaking planes reach their mid level in LV

and the scarlet biplane is HV

[coral vault]

should planes be very heavy? or would it be too annoying to get slowness?

[exotic wraith]

which is why i suggested the assembler

[worthy tusk]

well i'll look at it much later, maybe a month or two for me

[exotic wraith]

they're very heavy / huge

which i'm ok with

[coral vault]

your mother yeah that seems good lol

[exotic wraith]

at the very least i'd made the gyrodyne and the quadrocopter be right before it gives you slowness

since i'd imagine people would want to carry those wherever they go due to their building utility

considering they're hovercrafts

[worthy tusk]

backpacks

[exotic wraith]

that too

[worthy tusk]

heck if they don't stack you could probably put it in a toolbelt

[exotic wraith]

that's genuenly fucking funny

just an entire fucking airplane

in my toolbelt

"Is that an airplane in your toolbelt ore are you just happy to see me"

[exotic wraith]

EZ

[coral vault]

almost an improvement

[brave cairn]

almost

it does make it more entertaining

[exotic wraith]

@brave cairn i dont think this recipe is correct?

kinda confusing. on why there's a screw and plate

maybe i'm just speakin nonsense and it makes sense

idk

[brave cairn]

in what way?

[exotic wraith]

i was expecting to use either 2 screws or 2 plates for the blue steel diving boots's recipe that accepts blue steel boots

not 1 and 1

[brave cairn]

it's just supposed to be a lil cheaper than the bottom one

[exotic wraith]

oh

ok i see

that makes sense i think

[brave cairn]

since you've already got most of the blue steel there

[coral vault]

top one has two lead instead of blue steel

[exotic wraith]

ohhh

good point

[brave cairn]

yeah that's intentional, they're to weigh down the boots

the copper one uses cast iron instead

[coral vault]

should cast your boots in a concrete block

[exotic wraith]

didn't really like the way how the clothes quests where

so i changed them up

and with a bit of a visual guide on top of that

Also

i really wish silk was easier to create

silk requiring regular ass string to create is absolute insanity

[brave cairn]

just go the nether there's a whole biome full of cobwebs and spiders

[exotic wraith]

i still think there should be some sort of primitive way to create silk

i think there's a mod that adds silkworks in a tfc friendly way

[brave cairn]

it's fiiiiine if you want cooling clothes, make burlap

pls no silkworms they're as bad as early game sifting lol

ex nihilo my beloathed

[exotic wraith]

aight, 4 main types of clothes added

[brave cairn]

movie verdict: better than morbius, worse than mario/sonic movies

[exotic wraith]

i genuenly forgot morbius existed

[brave cairn]

it's very stupid but it's a little fun

[exotic wraith]

aight, just started the beneath questlines

simple stuff

start with checkmark, then complete the other one which is basically prep, third one actually tells you how to go beneath

[exotic wraith]

And with that, ladies, gentlemen, and non binary folk

Gregnight

[coral vault]

@brave cairn another push

• New recipes for Measurements
• Added recycling recipes for Building Gadgets and elytra
• Hid Elekis roofs
• Other small fixes

[brave cairn]

pog pog pog

[worthy tusk]

Random early morning thought:
New optional step in ore processing: aqua regia + refined ore, output some byproducts and the purified dust. Great for elec seperator

Ooh and acetone is usually a pretty good medium in a lot of chem that I see on nilered

[merry briar]

:(

[merry briar]

so cool

[brave cairn]

isn't aqua regia already used for platline

[merry briar]

that's the order we should make them?

[worthy tusk]

So

Aqua regia is still the best acid, aka piranha solution

[gloomy elm]

I don’t think GT needs more by product

It seems more interesting to have a new step of ore processing that double or triple the output

Well it’s really easy to know what we need in enormous quantities at the end

Chrome Titanium Naquadah Arsenic ?

Forgot the others

[brave cairn]

I'd still prefer leaving the earth-based ore processing alone

[worthy tusk]

I disagree, since one of the main endgame things of gt is the bedrock miner

[gloomy elm]

Well for now there is literally no reasons to add anything

There is way too many ores for what we need

[worthy tusk]

Reason is what you make of it

[gloomy elm]

The only thing i see is to remove ores from overworld and move them to other planets

And lock them behind specific ore processing

But well that’s for next update to discuss I guess

[brave cairn]

so on other worlds you'll need some way of automatically crafting the "package" to send home all your stuff

and the mod we'll be using has different tiers of packages, so we can use different materials for them

[gloomy elm]

What?

Is this a new idea you had?

Which mod did you find this time 😂

[brave cairn]

not really, it's just copying factorio dlc lol

where making the science is half the challenge, making the rockets is the other half

[gloomy elm]

Is it like having a rocket cargo?

[brave cairn]

https://modrinth.com/mod/dimensional-item-cannons

[gloomy elm]

Oh this one

I need to test it to understand exactly how that works

[brave cairn]

so the little puzzles will be figuring out how to both automate the greg component (probably the wafers?) as well as the package to ship it home in

[gloomy elm]

Because that doesn’t seem really automatable

[brave cairn]

and we can set up whatever recipes we want for those - so like, maybe it requires aluminium but the only alum on the planet is in some ore that you have to do a special process to extract it from

[gloomy elm]

That’s a cool idea but i just hope that people don’t prefer to fill a AE2 cell with what they need and bring it on earth by travelling manually

[brave cairn]

or maybe making the wafer requires some exotic ore that only happens there (someone a while back was designing a whole fancy process to get quantum stuff based on real world things, involving zirconium at some point)

[brave cairn]

we can lock specific recipes to the planets

[gloomy elm]

You dont need infinite amount of ores to progress vanilla GT so there is always the issue of just bringing a disk

That will need a whole big thinking and testing

Gonna be interesting to make that work

[brave cairn]

yeah still haven't fully designed it

we can always just make our own doohickeys and change the circuit crafting recipe to require em

[brave cairn]

merged, though just so you know, pretty much all recycling recipes are ulv/lv as far as I can tell (I changed yours)

[exotic wraith]

Yes

[merry briar]

cool

[spiral lintel]

I think references to the overworld should be omitted, sounds too fantastical. Maybe "surface" instead

[exotic wraith]

Nah I don't think I'll change that

I'm tired of questing

[merry briar]

the aboveworld

[brave cairn]

it's fine, everyone knows what overworld means in this context

even outside of minecraft it's just a video game term that means "main level you do most of your stuff in"

[exotic wraith]

I was thinking why travelling in the beneath was no faster than the overworld

And it kinda makes me sad

Cuz if the world is a sphere then it makes sense

Other than that prolly being balance from the mod itself that re-adds the nether

[brave cairn]

nah it's just a number in the dimension file that you can tweak

I turned it down to 1x because of how unrealistic the 4x felt 🤔

[exotic wraith]

Ohh, huh

Fair enough

[brave cairn]

plus I wanna encourage trains for long distance lol

[exotic wraith]

Based as fuck tbh

I love trains

Yeah use actual transportation methods as trains

Actually, I don't think we need karts

Just use trains

https://tenor.com/view/funny-iliketrains-trains-gif-4905803

[brave cairn]

cars are gonna be annoying with all the rivers anyway tbh

[exotic wraith]

Man I really like the idea of people making runways for their planes, docks for their boats and train stations for their other business

Shits good

[brave cairn]

hell yeah

@gloomy elm were you still working on the steam bloomery recipes or

[brave cairn]

new high pressure recipes, most use just a little black steel

and the miner

[exotic wraith]

Steam miner is peak

Theoretically someone could build a tree farm to power a train that goes vein to vein recollecting the resources mined by it. And being powered by a steam boiler

[brave cairn]

theoretically!

[gloomy elm]

It’s actually less confusing to name it overworld I’m sure

[gloomy elm]

Yes I forgot to push them

Everything is done I will do that tonight (na east coast time)

[gloomy elm]

Do we really want to unlock miner at ULV?

[brave cairn]

it's pretty bad, but it's there as an alternative to the mech miner - you get both at the same time

[gloomy elm]

Thought it was cool to get drill before the GT miner and as a big reward you unlock the miner later

[gloomy elm]

True but atleast the Create miner needs a big infrastructure and investment

The High Pressure Steam miner can easily be multiplied with solar boiler

[brave cairn]

I made the create ones cheaper to balance

hm, I think I'll make them both require a vac tube though, what do you think?

[gloomy elm]

Could be better yeah as a in between

Drill with blue steel is crazy strong so if the miner is a bit more expensive people could chose to do both methods

But if the miner was too cheap they would just spam them I’m afraid

Alternatives is great

[brave cairn]

how's that

these are locked behind latex + the other hp steam machines

[exotic wraith]

no way vacuum tubes actually being vacuumized

[brave cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/hog-boar-emoji-mindblown-mind-blown-slideshow-meme-gif-26390794

anyway this thing does wires now too

same rates as wiremill

the general vibe I'm going with is "these ulv machines are as productive as lv but they're more inconvenient and slower"

[exotic wraith]

nice

also, funny thing

using the wiremill from additions is fucking awful for rods

since its a 1 to 1

while the anvil for rods is 1 to 2

so we might want to fix that

that or switch from small rods to long rods

that way we keep the actual ratio of rods

i'd change that but yknow, work time

[brave cairn]

...additions has a wiremill?

[gloomy elm]

That’s cool ! Is it any drill?

[gloomy elm]

I think that’s an okay twist

Because we need way more wires before LV

[gloomy elm]

I think that’s okay

Because anvil is a bother to do

[brave cairn]

yeah, any - they're already pretty damn expensive, needing 4 steel plates + 4 any plates each

[exotic wraith]

i forgot the name of the thing

its the uhh

this piece of shit

[brave cairn]

oh that, that was always 1 ingot to 2 rods 🤔

but it's changed, it does plates and foils now

[exotic wraith]

ohh

i see

neat

likely that was a new change cuz i do swear i've seen that thing do 1 ingot to 1 rod

[sly harbor]

I'm not sure if GT has another way of producing glass, but this(pressurizing instead) would really be a really cool way of making glass items much easier to produce early game
Glass batch + Mold = glass item??

Also glass blocks

[brave cairn]

(the coil normally needs 16 of that wire in an assembler)

[brave cairn]

alloy smelter, mostly

and a mixer lets you turn sand dust + a bit of flint dust into glass dust

[exotic wraith]

tbf i think its better to just use a big platform of kaolin and just making a ton of glass panes then macerating them

that way you end up with more glass dust if you just used batches

lol

[brave cairn]

yeah that's also an option

[gloomy elm]

third one is blacksteel?

[brave cairn]

nah magnetic iron rod with lead fine wire - same materials as the assembler

[gloomy elm]

ah yeah forgot that iron has a different color

[gloomy elm]

perfect have to be cautious with this one because coils are a gate within GT

[brave cairn]

because of the ~situation~ with the mech press, I changed the rail recipes to be deploy-with-hammer for the time being

[gloomy elm]

that's the mono rail?

[brave cairn]

as far as I can tell the ulv one isn't used for anything besides ulv energy hatch/dynamos? which we also don't use

[gloomy elm]

yup it's blacksteel for HV I'm pretty sure

that's why i asked

[brave cairn]

ye

there's only this deployer recipe for the ulv one, not any others

[gloomy elm]

usually I'm more on the side of making things difficult but for rails we can make it ultra cheap

as an incentive to make tchou tchou 🚂

[brave cairn]

yep I made them cheaper a while back already

if they're still too expensive then I have no problems with making them even cheaper lol

[gloomy elm]

yeah need to do some testing in game but I wouldn't be against making not 4 but 8 or 16

need to measure

We really need to get a beta build that we can begin to play

Do you need help on some stuff with Steam age?

[brave cairn]

I think I'm about done with it? I'm just waiting on someone from the gt server who can help me auto generate centrifuge/extruder recipes for the last two VI machines

[gloomy elm]

for the centrifuge do we remove any recipes that use liquids?

keep consistent with GT Steam age

[exotic wraith]

i'd be down to setup a playtest server

i got a free powerful oracle server unironically

[brave cairn]

I was gonna remove recipes that use gases but keep liquids

[exotic wraith]

lmao

https://blogs.oracle.com/developers/post/how-to-set-up-and-run-a-really-powerful-free-minecraft-server-in-the-cloud

i basically have this

and it is pretty good, only issue is that the server machine itself is in chile

[gloomy elm]

is there a specific recipe? I think consistency with GT steam is important

The Large Centrifuge Machine may have all the recipes without liquid/gas?

from Pamsmith's GT addon for steam machine

[gloomy elm]

I mean it's fine even if the latence is high

[brave cairn]

we aren't using pan's addon rn

[gloomy elm]

I know but I was wondering if by looking at how they do it would help

[brave cairn]

it just has a centrifuge and alloy smelter and this is a cooler centrifuge (it actually spins)

oh!

uhhhh good point actually

though I wouldn't be surprised if it was all done through java

[gloomy elm]

I have no idea if it could really help

I'm afraid so

[brave cairn]

one thing I would actually like help on is balancing the SU requirements of all these new machines to work with greate's changes

greate wildly changes how much SU things make/consume so it can tier stuff

[gloomy elm]

We gonna need testing to refine the numbers

The Create boiler produces around 150k of SU ?

double if it's super heated

[exotic wraith]

yeah

imo using the create boiler for your first electricity would be neat

certainly not really a good electricity creation

but just a bit OK

prolly just useful for getitn ULV levels of the stuff

if you want LV levels of electricity then just use a turbine

[brave cairn]

oh, I was thinking of having a big create steam engine roughly equal to an LBB

[exotic wraith]

explain it like i'm five

👶

(i barely dipped my toes in GT LV when i had to nuke my pc)

when i say i'm completely clueless about GT past steam, i really mean it)

[brave cairn]

basically there's two kinds of "steam power"

there's creates, where you feed it water and fuel and it turns it directly into SU (there's no steam fluid or anything)

then there's greg's, where you feed it water and fuel and it turns it into steam fluid, which you then use a turbine to convert into power

when you start out with greg, you'd use the HP boilers which can do about 2 boilers per turbine

then later graduate to the "large bronze boiler" which can make enough for about 12-13 turbines, but chugs fuel (which is why we've had the lava 'exploit')

[exotic wraith]

i see

[gloomy elm]

I'm back for it but lava exploit can be fix if trains and elevator are cheap enough to bring the lava :p

[exotic wraith]

if i'm being honest making it as good as a LBB would be neat

[brave cairn]

exactly!

[exotic wraith]

also yeah if we can fix the lava explot that'd be awesome

either make it actually take like, 10k blocks of lava

or just disable it

[gloomy elm]

TFC terrain generation has tons of lava underground

[brave cairn]

yeah and then these alternators can be roughly equivalent to the gt turbines, generating about 1A of LV each

[gloomy elm]

I would be okay with one

[exotic wraith]

one block of lava for infinite lava?

[brave cairn]

yep it's just a number in the create config

[exotic wraith]

ya that much i'm aware

the default value is like, 10k

[gloomy elm]

no pushing people to go look for a lava lake of 10j

10k

[exotic wraith]

which imo, its OK

[exotic wraith]

based

[gloomy elm]

if you go in spectator mode and go underground you will see there is tons

[brave cairn]

though I'd lower it to however much a tfc volcano usually has because using a volcano for power just sounds cool as hell

[gloomy elm]

sounds good and it actually may be 10k anyway we need to go have a look

[brave cairn]

yep yep

[exotic wraith]

man that reminds me when i was playing in 1.2 and making bases near red power's volcanoes so i could use industrialcraft's thermal generators.

good times

[brave cairn]

1.2...

[gloomy elm]

Tfc is about travelling that's the way I see it

[exotic wraith]

i'm old

[gloomy elm]

oh Buildcraft/IC2 :p

[exotic wraith]

[brave cairn]

I'm 33

[exotic wraith]

LMAO

nvm

[brave cairn]

I just didn't really "get into" mc until a couple years ago

earliest I've played is 1.12 I think

[gloomy elm]

I began when survival didn't exist :p

[brave cairn]

I first played mc back when the nether was brand new, but didn't really get into it

[exotic wraith]

but yeah, i'm all for making your base near a volcano for easy power

nostalgic asf

even then if you dont have a big lava lake near your base

you can always just... oh wait nvm, you cant have trains that go from the beneath and back

[gloomy elm]

Create New Age would give us a better dynamo than the alternator

but again that's adding an other mod so...

[exotic wraith]

well, you can still find a big lava lake elsewhere and take it to your base to move it there

[gloomy elm]

if you check in spectator

there is lava lakes everywhere

[brave cairn]

ehh it has a whole tier system that we really don't need lol

[gloomy elm]

I know I'm too lazy to add them

We need to do some math to see the conversion rate

I'm a bit lost without being in game

[exotic wraith]

i did sniff around a bit

but there are 2 config options in the uhhh

create additions config that tells you the efficacy of both Electirc Motor and the Alternator

alongside their stress impact

[brave cairn]

greate's tier stress limits and machines are all very configurable too

[gloomy elm]

Oh I really need to add the universal circuits I spoke about before

I wonder if I can just go ask Moni's team if we can borrow their textures

Or is there someone with some graphicals abilities ? :p

[brave cairn]

oh yeah lemme actually look at these quests

hm, the old primitive quest one is still here, is that normal or is it just my workspace

[gloomy elm]

I think it's a mess

it's normal that's it's still there

[brave cairn]

ah k

[gloomy elm]

we didn't change it yet

We should remove everything that wasn't being remake from the git honestly

[exotic wraith]

So basically

the old primitive quest is there

i think its completely broken tho

since some quests just, dont appear

[gloomy elm]

to get some clarity

[brave cairn]

let's nuke it then

[exotic wraith]

we basically can nuke it from existence

yeah

my work is already there and its far better if i do say so myself

[brave cairn]

I am looking

[gloomy elm]

On my side you can remove everyhthing except LV

I didn't push MV yet

[exotic wraith]

i dont think we should remove the community pack's quests

[gloomy elm]

I will repush GT quests this week even if the lang file aren't done

[exotic wraith]

just remove it once we remake the specific questline

[gloomy elm]

it's outdated

[brave cairn]

I was just thinking of plotting out the steam one since that's more nailed down now

[exotic wraith]

like, i know the LV is up to date

and youre working on MV

are we saying we also nuke HV, despite there not being HV?

[gloomy elm]

Remove every GT except LV I will push back everything else

[exotic wraith]

oh, i see

[gloomy elm]

yeah for now because even compared to Community quest it's outdated

[exotic wraith]

if you need help figuring out how FTBQuests works lmk

[gloomy elm]

dont forget the {} lol

[brave cairn]

yeah I'll save the prose writing for later

[exotic wraith]

imo i think we should keep them. 2 reasons:

1. Works as inspiration whenever we remake them
2. We can still use them, just hook our quests with them, have a checkmark quest inbetween saying that the next piece of quests are from the community edition and they may have some inconsistencies/not be 100% accurate

that was my original idea for the steam quests branching off metallurgy age

just have a message saying "hey, these are from the gt community pack. they're a bit outdated and may contain false information."

[gloomy elm]

I will push them again but right now they are outdated even if compared to Community Pack

that's what I mean

[exotic wraith]

aight

[gloomy elm]

I can finish the trees this week even if the lang file aren't done atleast

I will also push the tips/tricks/help/ressources and other stuffs from Community Pack that could be useful with some light tweaks

Lang file can be done at the end

Because I use FTBQuest editor to write the quests anyway

[exotic wraith]

ideally that bit should be condensed into the GT spoke of tfg_tips, fwiw

how big is that questline

[gloomy elm]

yeah I would like to compress everything

[gloomy elm]

it's not even quest lines

[exotic wraith]

oh

just completely loose stuff?

[gloomy elm]

Yeah that’s why I would to redo it

[exotic wraith]

i see

[gloomy elm]

Basically use a lot of Copied quests

[exotic wraith]

yeah that works

[gloomy elm]

When a quest is the same one but on different chapters

[exotic wraith]

yeah

i used that to connect the steam related quests into metallurgy

since metallurgy age and industrial age go hand in hand

[gloomy elm]

It will be cool to do that to connect each chapters

Small but cool detail

[exotic wraith]

yeah, copper anvil is also technically from stone age, but it has a quest link in metallurgy

lol

[brave cairn]

one (1) lay

[exotic wraith]

LMAO

thats bad

what does the observe quest do however

does it look for tfc:clay?

or tfc:lay

[brave cairn]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

oops getting distracted, lemme steam age quests

[exotic wraith]

i'll look at it later then

[brave cairn]

this is out of date now btw, the only hazardous raw ores are the radioactive ones

it's just dusts that you have to worry about, for the most part

[exotic wraith]

oh

aight

i can update that

if i'm being honesty i think just making it work like before would be ok now

considering we do have actual early game PPE

before when we didnt i'd understand it

[brave cairn]

yeah I spent an hour or two looking into how to add hazards back to the ores

I was not having much luck lol

[exotic wraith]

oh?

[brave cairn]

I managed to add hazards back to the dusts of realgar/cobaltite/chromite at least

[exotic wraith]

huh

lol

thats... funky

[brave cairn]

hazards still feel pretty unfinished

I did see in the gt code that there were a bunch of //TODOs around medicines and hazard things, so

[exotic wraith]

oh well

i'll try to remember to cut down the GT hazards bit of that quest in specific

[brave cairn]

on the plus side, now you can get conditions like asbestosis which is uncurable until you can make paracetamol in LV 😎 👍

[gloomy elm]

GT devs put hazards further on the list of needed things I believe

Not many like them

I really love it so I’m kinda sad but well

[brave cairn]

it is what it is

[exotic wraith]

https://youtu.be/hVdToJ2QjQ8

[brave cairn]

stone age quest looks great so far! here's my feedback

• I like that it gives you a copy of the field guide, but it should also mention that you can just find it in your inventory
• there's a red steel water flask now, dunno if it's worth mentioning with the iron flask or could be at the end of metallurgy
• quern section should be expanded on to tell people about turning raw ores into dusts (quern then quern then drop in water)
• remove hazards
• early inventory management section should mention the backpack
  I love the layout of it though! so much cleaner and easier to navigate

[gloomy elm]

Backpack already has quests doesn't it?

[exotic wraith]

The red steel water flask is mentioned once you unlock red/blue steel anvil. its in the metallurgy quests as a matter of fact

i'll make sure the early inventory management has a secondary quest telling you to go and check the portable storage solution section of tfg_tips

[brave cairn]

metallurgy feedback:

• the quest that just says "you'll need to mine instead of living off surface samples" feels a bit.. pointless? like it's minecraft of course you'll have to mine. Maybe a shoutout to the mining hammer might be good here? it has its aoe at the expense of doing single blocks slower than a pickaxe
• coke oven quest has 26 brick blocks instead of the uhhh 25 minimum? plus you might make a few into hatches... I think just one is fine, they'll get the idea. Telling them how to use the multiblock preview here would be cool instead of explaining the construction through text, since they'll have to use that in the future too
• quern and pit kiln quests can be removed from the fire clay one I think. Maybe just the kaolin one can mention pit kilning it on site
• the one about fully stacked blast furnace could use a mention about making cheaper bricks later
• I think it's ok to remove the little offshoot bits with the create machines if the industrial chapter will cover them all 🤔
• any reason why it's in an L shape?
  overall, great job!

[brave cairn]

aha you're right, there it is

[exotic wraith]

• I'll look into adding the mining hammer, imo i think having that reminder saying "you gotta mine bro its minecraft" is good since i do feel mining in TFG can be intimidating as hell if you dont know what you're doing.
• My bad, lol. i suck at math sometimes. I'll prolly just add all three into a single quest and mention the automation. Also, the multiblock preview, that isnt in the field guide right? i didnt know that was a thing.
• The idea was to have the kiln and quern be near the kaolin and graphite to give it the idea "you'll need the quern for the graphite powder and heat the kaolin for the kaolinite
• Didnt know about cheaper bricks, will make sure its mentioned
• The create machines itself arent in metallurgy, those are Quest Links. The actual quests live in the Industrial Chapter. Its more or less to know "Hey, after you get this anvil you can get these goodies in the industrial chapter.
• No reason! thought about changing up the shape lol.

@brave cairn

[brave cairn]

• true, I don't disagree with the reminder
• sounds good! yeah it's part of jei, press Use (U by default) on any of the multiblock 'controllers' and a multiblock preview will show up. You can spin the model around, show it layer by layer, and click on blocks to show what's valid there
• 👍 to the rest

[gloomy elm]

Use "U" on a controler on EMI

there is tab listing all the GT multiblocks

it's a crazy tool to know what to do

The terminal from GT also automaticaly build a multiblock if we right click with it on the controller

I gonna add that to EBF quest

[gloomy elm]

there is also a way to change the size of the multiblock on the preview

quite useful for the large distillery tower or the large assembly line

I think it's the P:0 on the top right

[brave cairn]

is there a way for "linked quests" to visually link to other "linked quests"?

[exotic wraith]

wym?

like

afaik no

the only thing that makes a dependency "linked" visually are dependencies

[brave cairn]

hm, I see

[gloomy elm]

There is an icon on them if they are linked though

[brave cairn]

do you mind if I remove these sections? so just the checkmark is there?

[gloomy elm]

Why?

[brave cairn]

cuz I'm putting more things on the industrial chapter and they don't all need to be duplicated across

[gloomy elm]

make sense

[exotic wraith]

what

theyre not actually duplicated quests yknow?

[brave cairn]

I know they're not actually duplicated but still

they just feel a bit... cluttery

though, this is about all I've got so far for pre-steam

we could just move these ones into the metallurgy age

then the industrial age will cover the (much longer!) steam age

[exotic wraith]

imo i really think it'd be better if the industrial age contains the create stuff in it

metallurgy age is already a decent size imo

[brave cairn]

exactly

[brave cairn]

right, I think that's steam progression about done

completely missing text and all that, but still

edited the top a bit

alright how do I save all this so I don't lose it? and what files do I have to submit? lol

ah it's the snbt files

ok pushed these quest changes in 🙌

[rancid kernel]

is there an estimate when the quests are getting released? the current quest book has quests out of place and 95% of them are empty

[brave cairn]

empty?

[rancid kernel]

you open a quest to read more about the topic, and there isn't a description

[brave cairn]

oh you mean the early game ones

the gregtech ones aren't empty lol

but yes, we're working on a revamp, would you like to help out?

[rancid kernel]

sure, I've played through ATFC and GTNH, so I think I can help

[brave cairn]

ok, we could really use a proofreader

the early game quests have been completely redone from scratch but iirc nebby is ESL so they could use a little cleanup

[rancid kernel]

I'm not a native English speaker, but I could help

[brave cairn]

what's your main language? translation would also be helpful

[rancid kernel]

Hungarian

but I can write in English decently enough

[brave cairn]

ah fair enough

but yeah, here's a guide to getting your own instance, https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Modpack-Modern/blob/main/.github/CONTRIBUTING.md

https://github.com/Pyritie/Modpack-Modern/tree/0.9 and specifically you'll want to fork this

https://github.com/Pyritie/Modpack-Modern/blob/0.9/kubejs/.README IF TRANSLATING lastly, here's instructions on where our language files are -- the ones for quests are in tools/LanguageMerger/LanguageFiles/tfg

[exotic wraith]

ohhh

that steam quests lookin rather steamy

i like it!

huh

i swear i added a LANGUAGE CONTRIBUTING markdown file???

nvm it is there

[brave cairn]

oh where

[exotic wraith]

@rancid kernel instead of reading this file you'll want to read this one: https://github.com/Pyritie/Modpack-Modern/blob/0.9/.github/LOCALIZATION_CONTRIBUTING.md

its considerably more in-depth

[brave cairn]

oh it's in root

I am so blind sorry lol

[exotic wraith]

ye, and in 0.9 branch

youre fine! lol

i'm gonna play some AOM then i'll continue working on the Immersive aircraft integration

https://tenor.com/view/rajpal-yadav-age-of-mythology-goofy-goofy-ahh-joinky-gif-25667240

[brave cairn]

awesomesauce

someone from the gt discord got back to me about how to pull out recipes, so hopefully I can finish up the last two VI machines

@gloomy elm btw, your LV quests might need a little reoganization to have an area of "LV machines that are optional if you made their ULV counterparts" (bender, mixer, lathe, extruder, sifter, centrifuge, cutter)

[coral vault]

Btw I'll probably be working on some pt_br translations. It's my second language so it may not be the best. I can help proof read en_us since it's my first language 👍

[rancid kernel]

@exotic wraith @brave cairn I've only minimally used git and github, and I got stuck on the fourth step

so I have the new instance

which has forge and the correct version

and the .minecraft folder is empty

I've forked the repo and downloaded the github app

but I can't seem to figure out how to clone the project into the .minecraft folder

if I just do this, I get an error

[coral vault]

So GitHub desktop really doesn't like to work for modpacks because the mods don't copy over. I recommend you download Intellij (community edition is free). You can clone from GitHub from there and do a lot more than GitHub desktop can

Visual studio code might also work. Haven't tried it

[exotic wraith]

that isnt it

mods are not supposed to be in the repo

because theyre fetched via pakku

[exotic wraith]

can you show me the full path of this?

the path youre trying to clone to

[coral vault]

I know. What I mean is that GitHub doesn't really understand that part. And will keep saying that the repo doesn't exist anymore

At least from my experience it never worked

[rancid kernel]

weird

it seemingly copied it over, but threw an error

[exotic wraith]

Ohh

AH YEAH

I know why

The mods folder

It's a private repo

For... Whatever reason

It's a repo inside a repo, a submodule, if it where

So when you clone the main repo, it tries to clone the repo where the mods are

That fails so git shits the bed

But the clone is still succesful

[exotic wraith]

Just manually open a repo using GitHub desktop and make it point towards that folder

It should open up without issues

[rancid kernel]

should I clone Pyritie's repo instead of my fork?

[exotic wraith]

Your fork is of what

Of the main repo or forked from pyritie

[rancid kernel]

I forked Pyritie's repo

[exotic wraith]

Then you can work on yours then pull request to pyritie's 0.9 branch

[rancid kernel]

and how do I use Pakku?

[gloomy elm]

Oh true I will need to look at your quest to get a better understanding of the steam progression

[brave cairn]

java -jar pakku.jar fetch

[gloomy elm]

LV is finished just need some fixing with the changes in Steam age

MV is close to be done and I began HV

After you finish we can look at EV but mostly it’s gonna be formatting so it’s easy to translate

[exotic wraith]

yeah

the guide says so 😭

[gloomy elm]

We use the quest from the Community Pack as a base but there gonna more changes later when the work on space integration will begin so basically for now there won’t be much to do on later GT tier

[brave cairn]

feel free to just copy the text from gtm, no need to rewrite everything

[rancid kernel]

this whole system seems pretty intimidating

[coral vault]

Maybe we should make a tutorial video 😬

[exotic wraith]

ask away, that swhy i'm here (and why the guide says to ask me directly)

[rancid kernel]

from my understanding, the first 3 chapters are barebones, and the rest are copied from another modpack

[exotic wraith]

the first 3 chapters are basically complete, if you count them as TFG_Tips, PrimitiveAge and MetallurgyAge

those are home-grown, if that makes sense, lol

[rancid kernel]

like the glass quests don't even show that you can make a normal blowpipe from a brass rod, or that you need a wool cloth, gemsaw, and jacks

[exotic wraith]

oh

no no, those are from the old quests

you want to completely ignore the old questlines

Can you show me what quests you have?

questlines, to be precise

[rancid kernel]

like the ones from the most recent version of the modpack

[exotic wraith]

the ones listed at the side

[rancid kernel]

with some changes to the paper making

[exotic wraith]

what branch are you on?

[exotic wraith]

yeah thats outdated

[rancid kernel]

Pyritie's v0.9

[exotic wraith]

that cant be right.

you'd have all the new quests

[brave cairn]

delete your config folder and re-fetch it? the quests are stored there

this is what it should look like, with the red X ones being deleted soon

[exotic wraith]

i'm gonna record a quick video

no editing tho

just straight up raw-dogging it

[brave cairn]

hell yeah don't forget the unregistered hypercam 2 in the corner

[exotic wraith]

hey, before i do this, can you do me a favour?

Since we're basically doing all of this

modify the README.md file inside the .github folder

nvm

lol

idk we need a better way to redistribute the changing terrafirmagreg core mod

[brave cairn]

it do be like that

[rancid kernel]

it's pretty late for me, but I will try to get this working tomorrow

gn

[exotic wraith]

lmao

i try to switch to 0.9

and github desktop just

shits the bed

[brave cairn]

bwuh

[exotic wraith]

this is why i dont use github desktop

[coral vault]

That's what I mean. GitHub desktop just don't be vibing with it

[coral vault]

We could have a separate forum just to post updated tfg-core mod files?

[exotic wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/man-ricky-berwick-oh-dear-oh-my-god-oh-man-gif-26263798

[brave cairn]

in an ideal world we'd have main tfg repo access

[exotic wraith]

gonna try something out actually

actually

i have a better idea than all of that

because all i had to do

is delete the "mods" folder

yknow, the thing that causes github desktop to shit itself

why is that setup like that it makes no sense

ok

fuck it

uhh

@low gate whenever you can, if youre able to ofc.

What's the purpose of the "mods" folder in the repository? i'm aware that its a git submodule but it quite literally makes GithubDesktop very unhappy with it existence. Since the submodule is apparently private and cannot be accessed.

[exotic wraith]

The issue happening here is completely unrelated to the main repo

well, not really, the issue stems from it

but its because it has a submodule that is completely private

so git just shits the bed

and github desktop kinda just nukes itself since it cant access it

the fact that its completely 404'd makes me strongly believe that its some sort of private repo

and that its really just throwing an unecesary wrench at things, since we can just use pakku

@brave cairn insane idea

let sjust, delete the "mods" folder from your fork

i have a gut feeling that its literally nothing but a private repo marked as a submodule that just causes git to be very unhappy

[worthy tusk]

happened to me before, i had to reset my branch

[brave cairn]

could give it a try

[exotic wraith]

i'm going to branch off 0.9

and do a clean installation

if everything goes right

and no hurdles occurr

then i say just do it

aight

made the new branch, it doesnt have that funky submodule

lets see what happens

re-clonin

[gusty schooner]

GitHub desktop… 🤧😪

[exotic wraith]

TRUE

also

@brave cairn So, basically what i did was make that new branch called killing off the mods folder

i cloned the repo using github desktop

it complains, because its in main and tries to get that damned folder, so github desktop shits itself

i just reopen the repo, switch to killing off the mods folder

and everything is fine and dandy

then i placed pakku

ran the command

it fetched the mods into the mods folder because its smart

and now everything works fine

github desktop is no longer being a little bitch about things

[brave cairn]

awesome

[exotic wraith]

so yeah

we can just, go to each of your fork's branches

and kill of their mods folder one by one

at the very least, kill off the mods folder of main

and the mods folder of 0.9

that should allow an error free cloning of the project using git

[gusty schooner]

Pro tip if you don’t use GitHub desktop it doesnt try to recurse init the submodules :)

[exotic wraith]

True!

[gusty schooner]

Lmao

[exotic wraith]

i'll make the video guide later

[exotic wraith]

@brave cairn gonna cherrypick the single killing-the-mods-folder commit to 0.9 and main

also

i really, REALLY want to improve the gitignore

i'm tired of having like

100+~ changes that i did absolutely nothing to them

[brave cairn]

go 4 it

[gusty schooner]

I approve this message

[exotic wraith]

Aight

main and 0.9 no longer have the mods folder

so people cloning shouldnt have their shit going astray

[gusty schooner]

What’s the link for the repo

I no find it

[exotic wraith]

https://github.com/Pyritie/Modpack-Modern

alright

there we go

now its properly gone

this is the thing causing us pain

its literally a private repo called mods modern

positive its literally just... the mods

which is kinda pointless since you can get the mods ussing pakku

so...

anyways, mystery solved.

[brave cairn]

thanks for that!

[exotic wraith]

gonna investigate some more pakku shenanigans

hm

thats interesting

so

i dont think we can just

gitignore the things i'd like to gitignore

due to how pakku itself works

[brave cairn]

nice

[exotic wraith]

i'm unsure, i dont feel comfortable figuring that out atm

[exotic wraith]

+poggers

[brave cairn]

it doesn't seem to like fluid tags though, and idk how to exclude gases yet

rn it's only a couple recipes so that would be easy enough to exclude, let me see how bad it is if I make it do LV ones too...

[exotic wraith]

Primitive Feedback:
#1331744604701069393 message

Metallurgy Feedback:
#1331744604701069393 message

time to apply these feedbacks

then continue with IA

[gloomy elm]

Remove liquids that’s my take

[exotic wraith]

just to corroborate, you'll be able to:

Take raw ore, put it in the quern to get crushed raw ore

then put the crushed raw ore in the quern, to get dust

[brave cairn]

correct

then throw the impure dust into water to get the normal, best quality dust

in bronze age, the horse thing + millstone will automate the crushing, but you'll have to wash it yourself

you can start automating washing in steel age with the basic encased fan

[exotic wraith]

nice

[brave cairn]

lol I fixed it with a massive hack

if (f.content.value[0].fluid != null)
    ins.fluid = f.content.value[0].fluid;
else
    ins.fluid = f.content.value[0].tag.replace(/forge/g, 'gtceu');```

if the input is a tag, no it isn't

[exotic wraith]

bird up

[exotic wraith]

thats such a nasty hack

surely it wont bite you in the ass later

[brave cairn]

:clueless:

[exotic wraith]

[brave cairn]

it'll only break if there's a fluid which isn't a gt fluid, which also has a LV/ULV centrifuge recipe

but yeah I wanna have this thing do LV as well a) for consistency with the other machines here, and b) because all the ulv centrifuge recipes are basically just ore centrifuging which is not that useful

these parts, specifically

like I guess it's better than nothing until you get the thermafuge, but still

[exotic wraith]

there we go

[brave cairn]

otherwise the only other ulv recipes are just some gas stuff

[exotic wraith]

early game ore processing

[brave cairn]

awesome

actually hm

thinking about it, part of this whole progression overhaul is making people upgrade their ore processing lines bit by bit

so... having this as an optional step to get a bit more ores out of your stuff before the thermafuge isn't all that bad actually 🤔

[exotic wraith]

i thought you where writing about not adding these quests there

lol

i guess i'll just keep them for now.

[brave cairn]

oh nah your quests are perfect I'm just yappin to myself

[exotic wraith]

rubber ducking yay

https://tenor.com/view/james-veitch-we-need-to-talk-about-the-ducks-the-bathroom-ducks-duck-gif-24937797

[brave cairn]

but yeah I'll change this centrifuge's place in the meta a bit

[exotic wraith]

@brave cairn is it intended for the mining hammer to destroy ores?

[brave cairn]

uhhhhh no