Just now Arch decided to shut down gracefully without me touching anything at all. I read a bit about scheduled shutdowns and while shutdown --show said nothing was scheduled, running busctl get-property org.freedesktop.login1 /org/freedesktop/login1 org.freedesktop.login1.Manager ScheduledShutdown gave me a UNIX timestamp that does correspond to a specific time in the future. Could this be related?
#system powers off without consent
past kite
I also ran sudo busctl call org.freedesktop.login1 /org/freedesktop/login1 org.freedesktop.login1.Manager CancelScheduledShutdown and got a false output which by the documentation means no shutdown was scheduled
But its still very weird how it decided to just turn off because yes
wild sapphire
had this problem as well, i thought my laptop battery was giving out so I never really touched this issue, well enough it disappeared without me needing to do anything. it just fixed itself. how frequently does it happen to you?
past kite
had this problem as well, i thought my laptop battery was giving out so I never ...
Its kinda random
wild sapphire
Are you using kde plasma?
tardy bone
Its kinda random
Run this journalctl -u systemd-logind to check who/what created the scheduled shutdown
past kite
Are you using kde plasma?
yes
past kite
Run this `journalctl -u systemd-logind` to check who/what created the scheduled ...
there is absolutely nothing apart from a message "The system will power off now!"
it doesnt even give a reason for the shutdown or i cant find on
tardy bone
there is absolutely nothing apart from a message "The system will power off now!...
Before it?
past kite
nothing relevant
only when i logged out and logged in back again
but nothing about a shutdown
tardy bone
You can check what happened in the last boot journalctl -b -1 -e
past kite
yes i did that already
and there was nothing relevant
nothing that would suddenly cause a shutdown
tardy bone
Or just search for shutdown journalctl | grep -i 'shutdown'
past kite
right before the shutdown i was taking a screenshot
past kite
Or just search for shutdown `journalctl | grep -i 'shutdown'`
cant see anything relevant
tardy bone
Also try journalctl | grep -i 'poweroff'
past kite
Also try `journalctl | grep -i 'poweroff'`
also nothing
idk ig ill see if it happens again bc like lol
it was so random
not even a shutdown for a crash it was a graceful shutdown but it was unasked of
tardy bone
You are not running any cron jobs?
tardy bone
idk ig ill see if it happens again bc like lol
It could be hardware related.
past kite
It could be hardware related.
idk ive been running this installation for 2 years now
i used to run it as like a secondary system tho i only recently nuked windows and adopted it fully
tardy bone
Okay, you are running a DE or a WM?
past kite
Check this one: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=306026
im using a laptop
so faulty power cable seems impossible
tardy bone
@past kite Did you try switching KDE Plasma to something else just to make sure that is the same issue across.
past kite
<@552452422740607011> Did you try switching KDE Plasma to something else just to...
not yet
might be the next thing i try bc its happened twice already
past kite
im gonna try using the lts kernel first
tardy bone
im gonna try using the lts kernel first
Okay, you need to time it and note what you were doing when it turned off.
past kite
Okay, you need to time it and note what you were doing when it turned off.
it happens with literally any action
im trying my usual X11 WM instead of KDE now
bc lts did the thing too
it happens without me even touching anything sometimes (just watching a video)
tardy bone
bc lts did the thing too
Yeah, I didn’t think that would be kernel related.
tardy bone
im trying my usual X11 WM instead of KDE now
Did it happen whit WM?
past kite
Did it happen whit WM?
not for now but its been only 39min
so far its powered off between 15min to 5h
5h is the maximum it stood
tardy bone
not for now but its been only 39min
Yeah, okay.
past kite
i dont see why plasma would power off suddenly anyways either
could it be bc im using plasma-meta
tardy bone
i dont see why plasma would power off suddenly anyways either
Not sure about that, but we have to eliminate suspicions starting with the DE.
tardy bone
could it be bc im using plasma-meta
The plasma-meta does not have anything.
tardy bone
i hope that its not a hardware issue tho
If it is a hardware issue, it could be something like overheating.
past kite
cant be i checked temps already
tardy bone
could it be bc im using plasma-meta
I mean plasma-desktop is the one that has all the other packages not plasma-meta.
past kite
and i think overheating would show in journal
tardy bone
and i think overheating would show in journal
Yeah, maybe.
past kite
man what a troublesome issue
past kite
i sure hope so too
tardy bone
To eliminate this being a hardware issue, you could run some stress tests just to check the temps and make sure it’s not turning off.
past kite
i had my cpu running at 95 and it was fine
tardy bone
i had my cpu running at 95 and it was fine
Yeah, I'm not say it's the CPU it could be something else.
I mean, the chipset could turn the CPU off.
past kite
i mean i ran high end games and it was fine it happened a long while after that
so i doubt its that
in any case maybe the battery but i find that a bit weird
tardy bone
in any case maybe the battery but i find that a bit weird
I don't think it the battery.
past kite
then its gotta be the DE
either that or my installation is faulty
if its not the DE ig ill just reinstall
tardy bone
either that or my installation is faulty
You are using the default kernel, and switched to the lts one, right?
tardy bone
I mean not the zen one.
tardy bone
Yeah, that is one less thing to worry about(kernel).
tardy bone
could it be bc im using LUKS encryption
It can't be.
past kite
could it be bc im using a secondary NTFS drive (without windows on it)
past kite
i have a feeling its gonna be the DE
tardy bone
i have a feeling its gonna be the DE
Yeah, it could be. Time will tell.
past kite
if it goes past 4-5h without issue ill prob determine its the DE
tardy bone
You sad this installation was very long.
past kite
yea it went through a lot
tardy bone
if it goes past 4-5h without issue ill prob determine its the DE
Yeah, right.
tardy bone
yea it went through a lot
I mean how log have you bean using this installation of arch?
past kite
2 years
approximately
i initially had it on an external SSD and a few days ago i cloned it to an encrypted LUKS container on another drive to use it as a main OS
i basically rsync'd the root directory to the new drive
tardy bone
i initially had it on an external SSD and a few days ago i cloned it to an encry...
Oh, okay.
past kite
That is a very long time, and at what time this issue stated happening?
after I cloned it and installed plasma
i never had this issue back when i was using it as an external ssd
ive had it running for over 20h back then
tardy bone
after I cloned it and installed plasma
Yeah, that could be the cause of the issue — something somewhere got corrupted.
past kite
@tardy bone it has to be kde plasma
i used qtile for over 2h switched to plasma and in 5min it powered off
and i get a wall message to and that has to be sent by plasma bc by default i dont have it
past kite
i uninstalled plasma and i have switched to cinnamon for the time being
tardy bone
and i get a wall message to and that has to be sent by plasma bc by default i do...
What the msg say?
past kite
What the msg say?
"The system will power off now"
thats all the info i got
im starting to think its an nvidia + wayland issue
bc cinnamon works fine
(its x11)
and since plasma only has wayland now thats prob the reason
tardy bone
"The system will power off now"
Okay, yeah that would show on systemd logs.
tardy bone
Could be, one way to check is to run plasma with X11.
tardy bone
i can only do plasma with wayland
Last time i checked there was an option to use X?
past kite
not with plasma 6 apparently
tardy bone
im starting to think its an nvidia + wayland issue
No sure about that, at this moment.
tardy bone
not with plasma 6 apparently
Oh, okay, that is weird.
past kite
yea
problem is that x11 now causes my games to stutter
man i hate nvidia
nevermind the problem persists in x11
i guess ill have to reinstall
tardy bone
i guess ill have to reinstall
Yeah, that is the right thing to do.
past kite
F u n
tardy bone
i guess ill have to reinstall
After you install Arch and KDE plasma don't do a lot of configuration just to see if it happens again.
past kite
Fair point
tardy bone
Keep the defaults as much as you can.
past kite
Problem is i dont have much time so ill prob go back to windows for the time being
tardy bone
Yeah.
past kite
i think the problem is solved now @tardy bone