Ban all links to X/Twitter.

[blissful mica]

Its not

[noble geode]

It is

[blissful mica]

The community note is.
Not a weapon

[noble geode]

I’m talking about the content

[young kite]

you dont gotta click it though.

should drugs be banned?

[noble geode]

Are you on drugs right now?

[young kite]

some.

[blissful mica]

Depends on the.
Drug sure

[young kite]

you dont take anything?

[sweet tulip]

okay where the hell are neo liberals on the compass FR

[kindred glade]

I'd drink a beer with ya

[young kite]

hell yeah.

It was wrong but I lowkey liked it.

[kindred glade]

did you have this saved for a moment like this

[sweet tulip]

well then this chart this is wrong, I was placed economic liberal and it suggested neolib (which you say is economic right)

[young kite]

so if we ban guns, how do we get more luigis?

[sweet tulip]

oh wait economic lib is actually right ?

this stuff is too confusing

it also put me as progressive over tradition, which seems opposite to conservatives

[blissful mica]

Well how else are you supposed to Exterminate the right?

Just people who don't agree with you then?

Self defense?

[ornate scroll]

what do you mean "worker ownership"? like. workers own the means of production type of thing or litterly owning workers?

[blissful mica]

State ownership

If I don't own a car and you don't own a car.We both have to walk to work in the winter

Unless we provide enough value to the state To deserve a car

[noble geode]

What’s funny about communism

[sweet tulip]

who decides what productions to build?

[blissful mica]

So you want to make everything yourself

[young kite]

"STOP. I don't think your allowed be free in communism. "

[blissful mica]

These are fucking amazing

[sweet tulip]

what I mean is, the rich business man builds up his business (currently) hiring more and more people as he profits
but who says "we should build a whatever factory" in your ideal world, and who pays for it?

initially

[blissful mica]

Oh so Now death threats are not okay

[sweet tulip]

with what money

who's paying for the factory to get built

so what if 1 worker wants something and 99 don't think it's worth it

in capitalism that 1 worker can get a loan and start his own business purely because he wants to

[blissful mica]

Just the state

[sweet tulip]

right but what about this particular scenario - that worker misses out on his dream/idea/goal?

[sweet tulip]

this is the 2nd time I've asked about this type of situation and I don't know how it plays out

[young kite]

stateless? I hardly CI TIY point.

[sweet tulip]

so what happens?

[young kite]

who is vaush

[sweet tulip]

do they not get the opportunity?

I don't know if it's misleading or not but I never seem to get actual answers to these situations

[late goblet]

ooooo a communism chat

[sweet tulip]

right but if I go "we should really have an icecream factory, everyone deserves icecream" and 99% of the people go "nah we don't need it"

[sweet tulip]

in capitalism I can just go do it anyway

in communism do I just.. give up?

resent the others for denying me my icecream

[blissful mica]

That are you make the head of the state really like ice cream

[noble geode]

Is it a bunch of people discussing communism that have never read Marx/Engles again?

[sweet tulip]

yeah

[late goblet]

love myself some debate

[sweet tulip]

okay so read these first to get my answers?

what do you mean?

[noble geode]

It's a good start.

You can also read Capital.

Or you can keep having meaningless debates idc

[sweet tulip]

nothing like that, I'm just saying in capitalism, even if I'm the only person who thinks something is a good idea, I have the chance to try it (and possibly fail)

not at first

it's just me and myself making icecream

I thought I couldn't have private property for production though

aka an icecream shop

[young kite]

FFS i've been trying to post this screenshot for 5 min, maybe I am 69 years old. QMU on my keyboard is brorked and printscreen does not work. 🌐
Vaush - YouTube
April 6, 2023 - Gay socialism is the future; YouTube culture war nonsense is the now. If you also want a better world for everyone, we'll probably get along!

[sweet tulip]

okay so the situation changes when the shop gets to the point where I would need workers

[late goblet]

holy shit i’m not even involved in this chat and i’m loving it

[young kite]

no one should be forced to do anything, also you have to run a successful "production" to have money for 2000 houses

[sweet tulip]

I'm just trying to learn lol

[late goblet]

haha nah i love communism talks it’s great

[sweet tulip]

wait why would I sell icecream if there's no money

I missed a step

[kindred glade]

cause ice cream goes hard

[young kite]

where has stateless communism ever existed?

[sweet tulip]

I guess I just enjoy my own icecream until someone says "make me some icecream too!" and then I don't know how it progresses
"I don't have enough hands" - what comes next?

[young kite]

I'm litterally trying to understand.

I cant picture it

[late goblet]

so controversial opinion here but the US isn’t a democracy

it’s a dictatorship

[young kite]

its a republic.

it was never a democracy.

[sweet tulip]

well, some people eventually try and want my icecream coz it's so damn good but I can't keep up with the requests

I guess I teach people how to work and suddenly we have a shared icecream manufacturing place

[young kite]

I want fucking icrecream now.

[sweet tulip]

now it kind of makes sense

[noble geode]

It's a 50/50 here

[sweet tulip]

I'm not at a loss, everyone has icecream

I was just trying to play out the scenario

[young kite]

I wanna be rewarded for doing well, or I wont try hard.

[late goblet]

my fastfetch everyone ❤️

[young kite]

I'll just eat icecream and be fat.

[kindred glade]

based

[young kite]

If I live in communism can I still do hrt?

[noble geode]

capitalists when they get 1/10000000th of the wealth their employers do think they're "doing well"

[young kite]

what if its trt and I'm a man that just want to be more manly?

how do I pay for it

/ who does

can I just do xanax and watch anime all day? or do I have to work to get things?

[noble geode]

make it. Testosterone is synthecized from yams.

[young kite]

if everyone can have what they want and dont have to work no one works dawg.

[noble geode]

that's very telling about you lmao

[young kite]

I mean, I already said I'd just eat icecream and be fat.

[blissful mica]

How so?

[noble geode]

if given the opportunity you would choose to not do any labor.

[young kite]

yeah.

I think thats like 90 percent of people.

[noble geode]

While most communists are happy with working, so long as it profits the community and not some wealthy person.

[young kite]

expecially if there was not way to like.. get ahead from working.

[noble geode]

90 percent of capitalists maybe.

[blissful mica]

It Literally does

[mental bear]

what work output do you think we'd get if people didn't need to work to live and didn't get paid to work

less in some areas and more in others?

[noble geode]

Communists = mutual aid and not-for-profit labor. Capitalists will kill themselves so they can get 15 years of retirement lmao

enshittify everything it's the capitalist way.

and prison labor!

[blissful mica]

And you're guaranteed quality?

[mental bear]

shit isn't cheap in the west?

[kindred glade]

because they live in a world where work alienates them

[noble geode]

prison is slave labor under the constituion, they get free labor for non-violent criminals serving time and reap a huge profit margin for the corporations and investors.

[blissful mica]

This is.
Actually an intelligent point

[mental bear]

I guess it depends on the shit

[young kite]

I think communism works, just not at scale... 360k to like 1.5m people tops.

[noble geode]

Even worse, if you don't or can't work for the major corporations in the US you will likely end up homeless and in prison.

[young kite]

you can own your workplace.

[noble geode]

So capitalism, is pretty much always built on slave labor and exploitation of minorities. I can't think of an example where this is not the case.

[young kite]

you can make it exactly what you want, and be the change you want to see.

[blissful mica]

I will agree to a point.Companies need to stop bringing immigrants from other countries just so they can replace their current work force with under paid work force

[young kite]

yeah they all get taken advantage of.

[kindred glade]

I did when I threw ice into the fryers

[young glade]

why bother bringing them in when you can keep them where they are and pay them even less

[noble geode]

The US is unfortunately the biggest example of this. For a bunch of people that care about freedom they have no issue with their country being built on slavery and genocide which is currently perpetuated through discrimination of minorities, the prison system and outsourcing to slave labor in poverty ridden countries (often countries destabalized by the Us in the first place)

[mental bear]

getting a bit nationalistic in here...

[young kite]

tarifs.

[noble geode]

queen move

[young kite]

oh no it was horrible..

I cant change the past though, I just look to the future.

And I want everyone to have freedom

[noble geode]

Capitalism has never been and will never be sustainable.

[young kite]

I want slaves to never exist again

[noble geode]

at least not ethically.

[late goblet]

Seri, do you want to move to DPR Korea?

[noble geode]

But you're okay with benifiting from slave labor in the current system?

[young kite]

no.

[wind granite]

I don't agree with this. If this is genuinely supposed to be a community, we are supposed to have some stated shared values. While I don't want an outright ban, we should expect to discuss more than arch and more than tech. And as many others have said, as an open source technology, arch/Linux is political. Lots of people will be interested in Linux and need help. Including marginalized people who'll benefit from an inclusive server having inclusive values.

At the same time, few places are actually communities and this server isn't one either.

[young kite]

But I see many people buy iphones and talk about such things.

[noble geode]

So you disagree with capitalism and the constituation?

[kindred glade]

I would blame Milton Friedman

[young kite]

I do what I can every day to support fredom. I vote with my dollar, thats why I only use open source.

[noble geode]

yes, unfortunately when you live in a capitalist system you're subject to capitalist corporations pushing products. Communism isn't "give up personal property" it is "seize the means of production and abolish private property" I have a feeling you don't have a firm grasp of the difference between private property and personal property though.

[noble geode]

hah nice.

"insulin is marked up 5000% percent because of anti-capitalist laws!" is a major fuckin cope or just deliberate misinformation and bad faith

[young kite]

I think two extremes are being presented.. and they exist to drive people appart.. be free people together can change the world and take it away from the ultra rich.

the answer is somewhere in the middle.

okay, real debate time.

Is healthcare a human right?

[kindred glade]

yeah the dems suck

[young kite]

Okay, I only halfway agree with you.

[blissful mica]

Yes

[young kite]

you guys say why then I respond.

[rough saffron]

Dems 1000x better than republicans objectively still vote blue

Lesser of two evils yepper

[blissful mica]

Free health care is bad health care

[young kite]

because they want your money instead

[sweet tulip]

true what happens if you do more or less work than someone else?

[noble geode]

"Free healthcare is bad healthcare" is crazy

[sweet tulip]

there are no bonuses in communism right?

[noble geode]

If someone gave you a boat you'd be like "nah that boat sucks!"

[young kite]

I think free speech is a right, but ... free speech does dot cost anything. You cant force someone to pay for something.

[blissful mica]

I live in Canada.I know how bad their healthcare is.Yes, I get healthcare.Is it good no

[sweet tulip]

I guess in an ideal communist society you'd be swapped around until you find a job you enjoy

[noble geode]

Most people don't even understand free speech

[young kite]

I can smoke cigs and eat icecream and get super cancer, and never pay into the system.

[blissful mica]

You can say that again

[noble geode]

And most people that claim they love free speech actively fight against the freedom to assemble

[sweet tulip]

don't you pay healthcare so that you don't need to fork out heaps in an emergency

[noble geode]

like an ethically sound capitalist system

[blissful mica]

Health?
Care is absolutely way to over Priced in tge usa

[noble geode]

"slave labor is fine so long as people don't have free healthcare and I can exploit people as much as I want"

[sweet tulip]

yeah If a company overcharges on a product, competition can and will pop up

[noble geode]

"dictator so scary" even though your country is built on genocide is a weak argument.

[blissful mica]

And your country isn't

[noble geode]

It is, and I don't support it? What is your point? I actively speak out against genocide and support movements like Land Back and decolonization?

[young kite]

lets all just agree that killing people is bad, but if it is for the causes we agree with then we low key like it

[noble geode]

Mr. Worldwide (the all knowing) telling people what their own ideology is.

Why is this person even still here?

[sweet tulip]

because it's okay to have differing opinions

but it works on paper

are there any current communist countries I can look into

[noble geode]

China and Cuba

Biggest super power in the world is fueled by slave labor*

fixed it for you.

[young kite]

china is kinda... capitalistic now.

[sweet tulip]

actual slaves? or are you just calling 9-5 workers slaves
I genuinely can't tell haha

[noble geode]

propagandist

[ornate scroll]

sorry guys i shouldnt have asked what they ment by "owning workers"

[sweet tulip]

well I disagree with slave labor of course

and slaves in general

[noble geode]

The entire country was built on slave labor, every industry we have. When slavery was abolished they moved it to prison and outsourced slavery. 9-5 is more like endentured servitude for bitches that are scared of producing a proper society.

[noble geode]

If you're in a first world country you probably benifit from slave labor.

If you're in a first world country you're at the very least indirectly supporting slavery tbh.

Why would I?

yikes, ad hominem

[sweet tulip]

I thought prison work is optional, maybe america is different

[blissful mica]

This

[noble geode]

where is labor optional at all?

<@&399818870568779776>

[sweet tulip]

huh, thanks for opening my eyes I guess it is mandatory

[silent moon]

tengux42 received a thank you cookie!

[noble geode]

I gotchu

[blissful mica]

Calling you a bitch was a little uncalled for

[noble geode]

can i not send gifs here?

[sweet tulip]

hey we got called a bitch first

[noble geode]

Damn i was about to post a pitbull gif

Morx

Sounds like a youtuber name

[sweet tulip]

"Bourgeoisie is often used insultingly. In between the very poor and the super rich is the bourgeoisie"

so like.. middle class?

[kindred glade]

if you can't play nice together I'll take your economic systems away and then no one has anything >:(

[noble geode]

that's petite-bourgeoisie

[sweet tulip]

oh is this where the word 'bougie' comes from

[noble geode]

sigh

[sweet tulip]

TIL

[noble geode]

please read books 😦

[sweet tulip]

I read a lot of books, just not political ones

great, I want to move from proletariat to bourgeoisie in the next 5-10 years 🧐

[noble geode]

You very likely won't. People are generally born into this.

[young kite]

should the darkweb be banned

[noble geode]

the dark web is silly.

You can't ban the dark web

[sweet tulip]

3 people I work with started their own businesses, it isn't that farfetched

a friend opened a chain of gyms by the age of 23

[young kite]

then why ban twitter

[noble geode]

and "twitter ban" isn't like removing twitter from the internet, it's removing it from spaces that don't align with Twitter's values.

[ornate scroll]

who is this guy???

[blissful mica]

Literally impossible the ban the dark web

[sweet tulip]

COVID is what brought him down as he couldn't keep them open during lockdown

[noble geode]

Like, if you think this "twitter ban" means you won't be able to access twitter you're just stupid. This is a ban to remove the use of twitter links in this specific server, has nothing to do with the rest of the internet.

If you don't like that you can just easilly not use this server? It's not rocket science.

[sweet tulip]

oh I forgot, my brother opened his own business too

[sweet tulip]

it really isn't hard, I guess you just need an idea

now he works for himself

[sweet tulip]

how bougie

[ornate scroll]

how is that virtue signaling?

[young kite]

Mike Meyers

[noble geode]

That is really not the same considering when you "open a business" your business is pretty much just funded by loans and banks. Hardly "owning the means of production" on any meaningful level.

seen the stock market lately? Capitalism doing so good.....not

[sweet tulip]

well, only for the first 3-4 years until the loan is fully paid for from profit

[young kite]

stocks are gonna be shit for a bit.

I invest alot... fear. Fear drops the prices.

[noble geode]

you should heavilly invest in them while they are low.

really stick it to us

[young kite]

I'm going to

for like the 5th time In my life.

I always take advantage of this

[blissful mica]

Because this is a highly left discord and Twitter won't ban right views That's why the discussion of banning it is happening for banning it on this discord

I thought it was extremely stupid when Reddit did it I think it's still extremely stupid now

[noble geode]

And look where it got you? Arguing with a bunch of people on discord. Not the biggest indicator of success tbh.

[sweet tulip]

"banning twitter" in this discord then

[kindred glade]

It is ironic to me that the folks who bought you acts like SOPA suddenly care about censorship lol

[noble geode]

Then why does it bother you so much?

[noble geode]

It's not even censorship 😦 lmao they're just bonkers

[kindred glade]

I have that mask, like unironically I have this in my room

[noble geode]

noone likes dems

dems are just slightly less shitty conservatives

[young kite]

or slightly more... at least like... half the us agrees with me here.

[noble geode]

Yeah, that's not actually a good thing considering the US's literacy rates are ya know, pathetic.

[sweet tulip]

democratic workplace?

[young kite]

maybe you are just too smart.

[sweet tulip]

oh, sure but what about existing companies?

[noble geode]

Smart enough to not align with the same politcal party as the KKK that's for sure.

[young kite]

This.

[noble geode]

What's the definition of democracy?

[sweet tulip]

what I mean is, assuming this went ahead going forward and all new businesses were shared
you can't just take over existing companies, I don't see a nice way to transition

[young kite]

also.

[sweet tulip]

in america*

we just have medicare in AU, comes out of tax

[noble geode]

yup lol

[sweet tulip]

interesting

[noble geode]

I bet they can't define fascism tbh

[sweet tulip]

taxed medicare works in AU
then you have optional private health insurance

[young kite]

I was ready for elon in the whitehouse till he faked being a poe2 gamer.

[noble geode]

Mr.Worldwide just doesn't believe in voting but also thinks dictatorship is bad? I'm lost.

Capitalist answer to everything: war

what wrong with people doing what they want?

[young kite]

some people want violent things

[noble geode]

harming others generally spawns from capitalist values tbh

ye

[young kite]

how so

[noble geode]

I don't have to? Capitalism does that all by itself.

[young kite]

its you failing to meet your needs.

[noble geode]

capitalist mindset

[young kite]

how long have people used money

[blissful mica]

Is it Though

[young kite]

are we getting to money is the root of all evil?

or am I painting with too broad of a brush here

so money bad.

right?

or is it power?

[coral nest]

the way money is distributed is bad

in all honesty

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sweet tulip]

sure, but we have foodstamps and welfare

[young kite]

okay, so what about this socialist society... what if it grew large and powerful?

[noble geode]

socialist these are social programs lol

truth

[young kite]

is crime bad?

[sweet tulip]

neat, they're also in our current society so the two are working together right?

[noble geode]

Guess which country has the highest incarceration rate

:p

jesus

[young kite]

democrat citys.

[sweet tulip]

what are the 3 largest cities

[noble geode]

<@&399818870568779776> this is blatant racism

[young kite]

how was that racits?

[sweet tulip]

he didn't say anything racist, he said other people don't want to look racist

[blissful mica]

That's not racist lol wtf

[young kite]

this is like.. what everyone told me it would be like.

[blissful mica]

Did you start losing the argument so called the racist card what did i miss?

[sweet tulip]

who told you lmao

[young kite]

yeah, after using the dumb and nazi cards.

[noble geode]

alt-right raid mob groups

[sweet tulip]

"New York City, Los Angeles, and Chicago" are they the biggest?

[young kite]

like half the talking heads on the internet.

one friend... I'm kinda a loner.

rest dont talk political stuff.

[sweet tulip]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate
damn wikipedia really has pages for this

[noble geode]

Yup, racists always try to pull this bullshit false statistic while failing to mention that black people and other minorities are outright systematically discriminated against by LEO and the justice system.

[young kite]

are we allowed to disagree with that?

[noble geode]

disturbing choice of words

[ornate scroll]

so anyways. as a reminder. if you havent voted. go vote #announcements message

[young kite]

they are turning on eachother

[sweet tulip]

what is this quoting?

[young kite]

stay strong, stay together

[noble geode]

comrade, it doesn't have to be that way.

[coral nest]

facists should be able to form their own spaces where they are free to say whatever they want.... though historically, they've been pretty bad at creating spaces with freedom of speech

[young kite]

lets all be nice and love eachother

[noble geode]

Doesn't make you less racist.

[sweet tulip]

whats the PC way of saying the x community

[noble geode]

it was always racist.

[sweet tulip]

ah I'm in the deaf community and they call themselves 'the Deaf community' so

[young kite]

thought that was just black twitter

[sweet tulip]

I thought it was normal

but not 'the Deafs' lol

[young kite]

who here grew up in the 90s?

[coral nest]

"gays" => "homo homies"

[sweet tulip]

me

[noble geode]

Do you think trans women belong in womens sports and should be able to use the bathroom that aligns with their gender?

[blissful mica]

I think to be politically correct.Now you have to call them african americans

If you call them black.You are just racist at this point even though that's kind of stupid

However

I do see the logic behind this

With other races People usually do make Distinctions that aren't based off a color

We don't call chinese people yellow

We call them asians

[young kite]

no one got offended then, it was great.

[sweet tulip]

are you texan

or is that someone else in your pfp

[young kite]

how could you tell

[sweet tulip]

what's the little string thinger that texans wear for?

around their neck

[noble geode]

<@&399818870568779776> transphobe

[blissful mica]

It really isn't but it gets played as Is a racist card a lot

[sweet tulip]

sorry the texan community

[young kite]

string thinger?

wut

[blissful mica]

Rip you

[sweet tulip]

maybe it's just a texas tie

[noble geode]

Mr.Worldwide is so obviously bigoted. They will only get worse tbh.

[noble geode]

bolo tie

[young kite]

oh thats for lookin like yew got money and land.

[sweet tulip]

lmao

[blissful mica]

No he's just somebody with different views than you

[sweet tulip]

oh it comes from native americans?

[young kite]

idk but they put it on the cowboy hats too

[coral nest]

To be fair there is the "LGB" crowd

[noble geode]

being gay doesn't absolve you from bigotry

what reason?

[blissful mica]

Why do trans have the right to take women's sports away from women?

I'm all for them having their own sports league

[sweet tulip]

while we're on this
genuine question, what makes queer different to gay

[sweet tulip]

since I know it's a different letter in the acronym

[noble geode]

google is your friend tbh you have a lot of questions and we aren't here to educate you.

[coral nest]

Isn't queer just a wildcard for "all else/similar"?

[kindred glade]

Don't forget tariffs for some bizarre reason

[noble geode]

tarrifs are an act of trade war

[sweet tulip]

damn I'm in this channel to educate myself

but fair

[blissful mica]

Not saying you're not human

[young kite]

my daughter, if she lost a swiming comp to a trans girl, I would be mad. NGL, I think she would be too.

[blissful mica]

This

[noble geode]

there is a support channel for linux based questions and support. But like, LGBTQ+ aren't here to educate you we aren't obligated to either, if you have a lot of questions I am sure you can find a lot of answers by reading.

[young kite]

its been alot of times.. but why want it to happen?

like what you can play but you cant win?

wtf is that

[sweet tulip]

oh not just lgbtq but politics and everything
like I'm just here to learn as much as I can

but I'll hold back on the LGBTQ+ questions

[noble geode]

You are a terrible person.

[coral nest]

where is the mirror shit coming from

[noble geode]

fml

[coral nest]

genuinely ive never heard that in my life

[young kite]

any time hitler or nazi is brought up.. i feel like its just lazy.

[coral nest]

😭

[young kite]

use arguments to prove them wrong.

[blissful mica]

This has happened.
Quite a few times actually

The olymp.

That
One lady that didn't wanna play ping pong or whatever

[sweet tulip]

I'm 100% logic over feelings personally

[young kite]

me too.

[sweet tulip]

which is probably why I ask a lot of hypothetical situations to understand how something plays out

[noble geode]

And I feel like when people push nazi ideologies and then avoid discussing hitler, naizs and other hate groups they do it specifically to absovle themselves of affiliation which is extremely bad faith.

[young kite]

but how is trans girls and faster at swimming than non trans girls hitler

[sweet tulip]

it isn't

[blissful mica]

The problem is factual.Arguments with correct information have been deemed Hateful

I'm with having discussions about this topic is you need be in a Place

That's not biased to eather side

And yes Sometimes , the right is just as equally as bad as the left When it comes to discussions about this topic

[coral nest]

here's the issue
when youre trying to prove a point
and you something batshit insane
and youre asked for a source for the batshit insane sentence
and you ignore it

that is essentially having 0 argument

[young kite]

who hurt you

[blissful mica]

Exactly.
This

[coral nest]

what

you asked a question and i answered it, no?

actually you didn't ask a question

well fuck
do you get my point though?

[kindred glade]

The song does go hard tho

[young kite]

can we all just agree not to ban twitter links?

[sweet tulip]

I think it's too late

I got called a facsist when the political compass put me left 🤷‍♂️

[noble geode]

I don't think anyone would ever dirty up Marx's name with your affiliation

[coral nest]

fascism is right-wing right lmfao

yeah

[noble geode]

they're rarely mistaken, they do this purposely as a form of propaganda.

Fascists know they have to hide their actual ideologies because they're not accepted by the majority so they claim they're center-right or center.

[young kite]

i mean I do too, that does not make me far right.. I think everyone on the left should try to understand it.

[coral nest]

to clarify far-right is dictatorship
...for example Adolf Hitler

like... genuinely

that is a real example of the far-right

[sweet tulip]

isn't he far north

[noble geode]

Because I called you out for racism and transphobia? Sorry, not letting that shit slide.

[sweet tulip]

I thought left/right is just economic

[coral nest]

no im just clarifying as to what far-right is because i heavily doubt you unironically said "i understand why people are far-right"

[young kite]

it is..

[sweet tulip]

the whole left right thing still confuses me as aren't most of the arguments about north/south

like, social freedom

[noble geode]

Hitler, Mussolini (who basically invented fascism), alt-right hate groups like the KKK and Neo-nazis, the ADF in Germany is a far fight politcal party. Donald Trump and MAGA are also far-right.

[kindred glade]

Why?

[young kite]

if half the country is far right, is it really far?

[blissful mica]

I mean, he's not wrong. The problem with that is, the far left has gone so far. Left, anyone slightly on the right looks extremely right.

[coral nest]

If you buy a dozen donuts, and they all expire, are they REALLY expired?

100% of the donuts are expired

[noble geode]

What why would I argue it? I tagged the mods because they're both banable offenses, it's not up for debate and bigotry isn't tolerated. I am not obligated to devote time to arguing with a bigot?

[young kite]

so half the us is far right?

[blissful mica]

You know that political compass you have
Take that compass expanded horizontally ten times and put your left dot as far as You possibly can

[sweet tulip]

I highly doubt this haha

[kindred glade]

Would sincerely like to know the reasoning behind this

[noble geode]

Half of the US at the very least supports a far right poltical movement/fascist regime yes. I'm not sure that means all the maga supporters are far-right but they are about as far right as the nazis sympathizers were.

[young kite]

thats wild.

[noble geode]

It is factual.

[young kite]

I mean.. what ever helps you sleep at night.

[kindred glade]

I'm not gonna get an answer I guess

[noble geode]

Please read books.

[young kite]

there it is.

[noble geode]

It is 2025, you can read them on your phone for the love of all things holy please read more.

[young kite]

I got like 9 kindles dawg

[noble geode]

Please use them 😦

[sweet tulip]

can I answer truthfully without being banned? purely to raise a point to discuss

[kindred glade]

I don't control whether you'll get banned but I am asking in all sincerity

[sweet tulip]

just unfair advantage

[coral nest]

I'm sorry but this is the funniest shit I've ever read

"Please read books"
I got like 9 kindles dawg

[kindred glade]

How so?

[noble geode]

Violently attacked democracy in a treasonous inssurection

[blissful mica]

Be careful

[kindred glade]

What kind of advantage?

[coral nest]

what would you personally suggest for readings about economic systems

[sweet tulip]

well in my example, a colleagues gf was on a female only roller derby team
the other team had a trans female player, they bowled everyone due to a large weight/muscle advantage

nobody could knock them down

how do we make that more fair?

[kindred glade]

So you would say the trans woman had an unfair biological advantage?

[noble geode]

Anything not the bible or written by Donald Trump or Ronald Raegan preferably

[sweet tulip]

in this case, yeah

[coral nest]

😭

[sweet tulip]

maybe not every case

[kindred glade]

Interesting, do you feel it is unfair for a man like Michael Phelps to compete in swimming? Since he has a genetic condition that causes him to produce less lactic acid and has a ridiculously long wingspan.

Does he not also have an unfair biological advantage? How do you fix that?

[noble geode]

https://www.marxists.org/archive/ enjoy

tons of books for free

google harge

[sweet tulip]

fair point, I guess this is something that need to be investigated more

[coral nest]

youre actually making me laugh irl 😭 the way you're typing this shit out

[noble geode]

we should also consider myostatin deficiencies that occur naturally as well which give a major biological advantage in many sports

[kindred glade]

Really? Do you also take issue with the NBA only taking tall players? Since they have an unfair biological advantage?

How far are you prepared to go with this? Or is gender your line in the sand?

[coral nest]

Oh goddamn this is a really fucking good argument

[coral nest]

Jesus

[sweet tulip]

did you miss the part where I agreed with you and said I need to consider things more

[young kite]

the rules changed in 2020.

they had people doing ballot harvisting

[sweet tulip]

you raised a good point

[kindred glade]

No, I understood that, I'm actually just asking if you also agree in the case I mentioned

[young kite]

they allowed alot of changes, thats why trump said it was stolen.

[kindred glade]

Since I'm sincerely wondering at what point biological advantages are no longer important

[young kite]

I'm not saying I agree btw.

[noble geode]

it is when all your news comes from propaganda machines and conspiracy theorists

[young kite]

I'm helping you understand.

[sweet tulip]

I would say tallness isn't unfair if I'm honest

[coral nest]

so heres the funny thing, look at the numbers on the graph
notice anything funny?

this is a uhh

[kindred glade]

Do you not feel that tall people have an advantage over short people?

[coral nest]

whats the term

Statistically manipulated graph

[sweet tulip]

they do

[coral nest]

The information is presented in a way designed to look different than the real information

Its a jump of 65->85

[kindred glade]

Is it not also the case that plenty of short people who are gifted at basketball are likely looked over in favour of tall players?

[coral nest]

It isn't a doubled amount

[sweet tulip]

yes, I could see that

[blissful mica]

They do

[kindred glade]

So is it not fair to say that short people are cheated out of their chance to go big due to people who were simply born a bit different to them?

[noble geode]

DID HE NOW!?

[sweet tulip]

sure

[coral nest]

what do you have against tomatoes

[noble geode]

I'm gonna have to archive that.

[kindred glade]

The (admittedly few) studies done on the subject have largely turned up that trans people after some period on HRT are actually at a disadvantage to cis women

[noble geode]

That comes as no surprise lol maga are terrorists

thank you

[silent moon]

cinnamonpancake received a thank you cookie!

[young kite]

they are members of the nightshade family, the worst family.

[blissful mica]

Is That wehen a bunch of weebs naruto ran at the white house

[kindred glade]

I personally don't feel sport should be gendered in general tbh, I feel it's a somewhat arbitrary line in the sand that suggests women can't compare to men

[young kite]

I feel like we should have a no rules sports division for everything.

[noble geode]

Sometimes you have to break out the crayons for them

[coral nest]

well youre clearly eating your LGBTQ sandwiches wrong. no tomato. what is a Lettuce-Guacamole-Bacon-Tomato-Queso sandwich without the tomato?

[young kite]

where people can do steroids.

[kindred glade]

It is 4am and I start a new job tomorrow but I will try to dig them out for you over the week, I don't know off the top of my head what they're called

[sweet tulip]

lmao have you seen this https://www.enhanced.com/

[noble geode]

Are you on steroids? Is this the cool new Andrew Tate TRT trend or something?

[young kite]

and like... wear roller blades in the 50 yard dash

[blissful mica]

Biologically they can't that's why

If there wasn't that line it would be unfair to women

[young kite]

yeah

actually.

[kindred glade]

Men can kill other men in 1 and 1 sports, it happens often

[young kite]

is that okay?

[sweet tulip]

"take as many steroids as you want, just don't die"

[noble geode]

"Do streoids and you can get women and lambo!"?

[coral nest]

well you can kinda argue the same thing for wrestling

[young kite]

no I have a wife and kids.

[sweet tulip]

I actually am really hoping this goes forward 😂

[coral nest]

ie two dudes can still kill eachother because ones stronger

[young kite]

me toooooo

[kindred glade]

Biologically most people can't compete with Michael Phelps yet he is a gold medal olympist iirc

I think it's all a bit silly

[blissful mica]

Then find me a gold medal olympics female that can

[young kite]

its to keep it intresting.

[coral nest]

interesting, source?

[kindred glade]

Can what, sorry?

[young kite]

sports you want... to be exciting.. you dont want to know who is going to win every time.

[noble geode]

Mr probably thinks trans people should have their own bathrooms and drink from seperate water fountains

[coral nest]

i want to read up on this, genuinely interesting

[noble geode]

was that bad faith

[blissful mica]

Beat him

[kindred glade]

Remind me tomorrow <3

[kindred glade]

I think it's a bit of a tough ask really since he is genetically wired differently from other humans in general

[blissful mica]

In my opinion, if you have to use somebody all the way at the top.For your example you don't have a very good argument

[noble geode]

They think Q is an actual person to get info and education from and it's just some 4channer trolling the fuck out of them for a decade

[coral nest]

my uncle, who wants to work for the irs, voted for Trump

[young kite]

do you guys think the /gif/ board on 4chan is a psyop?

[coral nest]

i don't use 4chan

fever dream

[kindred glade]

Aren't these conversations largely about the top % of people? I don't really understand it being an issue in friendly sport

[blissful mica]

If we're having a discussion about how much a woman or a man can lift

And I say well the strongest man can Pull a semi truck
And 're not most people.
Like him

There shouldn't be the line drawn between genders for the sport

Sounds kind of weird doesnt it

I'm sorry.I'm at work so like i'm working and voice typing at the same time

[noble geode]

wow what a great employee

[kindred glade]

I mean the line between genders is mostly just my opinion but I'm not strongly advocating for it, this personally stems from me finding all sport to be a bit too serious

[young kite]

man...

[noble geode]

:p

[coral nest]

i think the argument is-

if trans people cant play the same sports as their gender, we'd also need to take into account genetic differences and diseases that could put someone at an advantage/disadvantage

[kindred glade]

I understand why some people like sport and feel strongly about it

[blissful mica]

Considering I run 90% of the shit around here , I better be

[young kite]

that makes sports too autistic, its suppoed to be simple.

[noble geode]

Why is DEI bad again?

[blissful mica]

Someone with asthma isn't running at the olympic now is he

[coral nest]

are you agreeing that trans people should be allowed to participate in their gender's sport

[noble geode]

you'll have to explain private property to them, they think toothbrushes are private property

[outer raft]

Damn yall are still going

[coral nest]

there was actually a dude with asthma in wwe who used an inhaler mid-match iirc

[noble geode]

wwe 😦 lol

[blissful mica]

It's not because black people

[noble geode]

elaborate?

[young kite]

I'm all for freedom till it hurts someone else, a trans girl should not take away the trophy another girl should have won.

because there are advantages.

[kindred glade]

Come to think of it, does T change bone structure etc? If not then should trans mascs stick to women's sports? After all cis men would have a biological advantage right?

[young kite]

but if you say all men or all women, and you dont say men who cant pull trucks and shit like that...

the rules are the rules and whats fair is fair.

[kindred glade]

Would you be cool with a jacked up mountain of muscle beating on your wives or daughters?

[noble geode]

is DEI fair?

[young kite]

depends who you ask.

[coral nest]

here ill make an example based on what i meant

a basketball team with taller people on average than another basketball team shouldn't be allowed to take the trophy because the team with shorter people should have won

how is this different than what youre saying? theyre both just genetic differences

[young kite]

I like merit.

[noble geode]

So you're against generational wealth?

[kindred glade]

That's actually true...

[young kite]

no.?

[noble geode]

But generational wealth isn't merit based

[young kite]

what does we have to have equal men and women have to do with generational wealth?

[noble geode]

Nepotism is in fact actively against a merit based system.

[young kite]

read books.

[coral nest]

^@young kite

[kindred glade]

@sweet tulip I was being sincere when I said I wasn't asking to try and get you banned so thank you for taking the plunge with me

[silent moon]

mate.nix received a thank you cookie!

[sweet tulip]

np thank you for the discussion

[silent moon]

Ivy <3 received a thank you cookie!

[young kite]

what are you asking me?

nepobabys doint have shit to do with dei.

[kindred glade]

Any time, I will try and get you those studies as well, I will take a quick look rn and see if a cursory Google search won't turn them up

[coral nest]

you are arguing the genetic difference between MTF/cis women is large enough that the MTF person doesnt deserve a trophy

however, the genetic difference between a tall and short person in basketball is also large. does the short person deserve the trophy despite the taller person winning? the tall person has an advantage

[noble geode]

I don't even know what to do with this tbh you kinda just argued against your own statement in the same sentence, very poorly constructed sentence btw.

[young kite]

I'm saying letting men play in womens sports is unfair to women.

this is not rocket science.

[noble geode]

You don't think trans women are women fog?

[young kite]

did I say that?

[blissful mica]

It's bad it's a tool use for pushing ideology on people now

And causes actual problems that could be deemed illegal

You don't hire the black guy because he's good at the job.You hire the black guy because he's black

You don't hire the trans person Because they're good at their job you heard trans

And it doesn't Feel very good to know.You got the job just because the color of your skin and not because you actually earned it

[kindred glade]

I believe it to be this one @coral nest

https://cces.ca/transgender-women-athletes-and-elite-sport-scientific-review

[noble geode]

maybe I am misunderstanding something here?

[sweet tulip]

soon

[young kite]

so is it more fair to let a trans woman play in women's sports because she is a woman deep down in her heart?

[noble geode]

wild

[young kite]

how to you determine the cutoff?

[kindred glade]

Good night all

[noble geode]

I'm asking if you believe trans women are women.

[kindred glade]

I agree, how indeed

[noble geode]

NO GOOD NIGHT TO YOU

[young kite]

ofc

[sweet tulip]

lmao, a friend believes in the next 5-10 years that we'll have a fake alien invasion to unite every country under one government

[blissful mica]

Technically no cause i'm canadian

[sweet tulip]

[kindred glade]

Unhinged and I love it

[young kite]

they are not biological women, but thats what you wanted me to say this whole time.. right?

[noble geode]

project blue beam yeah yeah, all those conspiracy theories are rooted in white supremecy and aim to manipulate the weakest of minds

[sweet tulip]

funny, he's a right wing white guy

[kindred glade]

HRT does alter gene expression tho like honestly after a point they kinda are

[sweet tulip]

fell for his own trap

but yeah blue beam

[noble geode]

No, he's the one being manipulated.

[sweet tulip]

that's what I meant lol

[noble geode]

Do you want a good reading recommendation?

[sweet tulip]

sure

[kindred glade]

I also think a lot of people only care about women's sports because it gives them an excuse to dunk on trans people. I remember when the Lionesses here were hyping up and everyone laughed at them and said women's sports is dumb

[noble geode]

Has nothing to do with communism or marxism, but it is a great book to understand misinformation and propaganda and how it is utilized in things like marketing, politics and society in general.

[noble geode]

So true

[young kite]

https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/specialpublications/nist.sp.800-124r1.pdf <-- great read

[kindred glade]

Unfortunately I won't have time to read it right now

Lmao

[noble geode]

ignore the click baity title.

[sweet tulip]

hey chatgpt please summarise

[kindred glade]

"hey chatGPT formulate an argument to counter this publication"

[young kite]

dont use vpn on phone but use signal

[kindred glade]

How long are the trans women in question on HRT out of curiosity

Interesting

[young kite]

your bones develop diffrent.

Like I'm on trt, Imma have big bones for life, even if I quit

[noble geode]

chill

[young kite]

like more dense... but you know what I mean.

same for tendions.. alot of things.

[kindred glade]

So should trans mascs be allowed to compete with cis women?

[noble geode]

tendions

[young kite]

that.

[kindred glade]

I didn't see

[young kite]

tendies

[kindred glade]

Wdym agreed, like they should or they shouldn't?

[noble geode]

They never bring up the millions of deaths cause by capitalist regimes.

[sweet tulip]

the guy from game of thrones duh

holds the door

[young kite]

I really loved that show till the last 2 seasons.

[sweet tulip]

holodomor

[noble geode]

I think most maga did, all the incest and stuff is up their alley

[young kite]

trans masc whats this

[sweet tulip]

same, got weird

[sweet tulip]

I assume ftm

[young kite]

oh.

[kindred glade]

I find that kind of wild to be honest, it's weird to me that you draw this line in the sand yet you're happy to watch some bearded mountain of muscle beat on a woman, but now maybe this is my feelings getting in my own way

I think the bone structure thing is also kind of overplayed, actually trans women tend to have weaker bones even before HRT, my endo spotted this prior in me prior to my starting

But I digress, bed time

[young kite]

you guys ever go to lefypol?

I liked 420chan alot

Im neither

[noble geode]

Literally half their life seems to be spent chasing leftists

[young kite]

Im pretty left.

or I was...

till I got left behind.

[sweet tulip]

side tangent
isn't testosterone considered perfomance enhancing and banned in most sport?
leading to: does that mean they can potentially circumvent this if they're trans?

not saying people would do this intentionally but there seems to be some loopholes

I think the entire sport industry needs a revisit to modernise

maybe I'm just thinking of bodybuilding then

[young kite]

you can have hrt levels on some sports...

[sweet tulip]

but I thought it was banned in cycling etc too

[young kite]

but if you are on it.. you should not be allowed to play.. unless its those no rule sports.

[coral nest]

why do people think the only leftists are communists
you are aware theres such thing as a capitalist society with certain aspects of socialism

[sweet tulip]

like our current society and welfare?

googles socdem

[coral nest]

i believe im demsoc?

[noble geode]

MUST OWN STUFF NEED CONSUME NEED POWER NEED BETTER THAN OTHERS AM SMART AM STRONG NOTICE ME SENPAI

[coral nest]

no clue

[noble geode]

proud of you

[sweet tulip]

my mental state wrestling with itself daily

[young kite]

the bar keeps moving . far center... all meaningless now. just like dei and nazi

[noble geode]

"centerist" when fishhook theory

[young kite]

just words to describe people we dont like, to push people apart.. to reject..

[sweet tulip]

he told me the person who founded NASA was a literal member of the nazi party

[young kite]

people divided will never overcome

[coral nest]

ill rephrase

why do people think the only left-wingers are communists/socialists, you can still have a capitalist society while having certain ideas and aspects of socialism embedded in. Universal healthcare, social security, larger tax that is put into programs that benefit the people

[noble geode]

"USSR killed a gaggilion people!!!!" mfs ignoring indigenous genocide, concentration camps (reservations), prison deaths and slave labor, slavery in general, countless wars etc etc the list goes on, capitalist states are disturbing when it comes to kill counts.

[sweet tulip]

and that NASA spends millions daily and nobody records where it goes

"other expenses"

[young kite]

once we have startgates we wont need nasa.

[coral nest]

there are two cases (that i know of) of the US putting people in concentration camps between the years of 1900 and 2000

[coral nest]

(im supporting your argument to be clear)

[noble geode]

reservations are concentration camps

[coral nest]

Filipinos and Japanese people were both put in concentration camps during their respective wars

[sweet tulip]

my friend "nonsense, they dont' care what's above us"

this is the same person that told me the old world was powered by radium

and it was erased from our history

[tepid dirge]

what the fuck, i thought this convo was about banning twitter links? what the hell happened

[young kite]

its been like this a while.

[sweet tulip]

so anyway, I learned a lot but still don't think it should be banned

[young kite]

we did the whole trans sports arch too

[sweet tulip]

to be fair I haven't seen x since elon musk took over so maybe I'm missing the truth

[tepid dirge]

oh i see

[coral nest]

Also unfortunately we have no statistics of it, but death would also decrease under Communism/Socialism most likely? A lot of crime can be tied to capitalism, and when you have less crime theres less prisoners (less death in general) alongside death penalty?

[sweet tulip]

so cool

so how does tartaria and blackrock tie into the old world and nasa
I can't keep up with his web of theories

[coral nest]

also its still illegal to be a commie in america

unfun fact

[sweet tulip]

wait fr?

[coral nest]

Yea
But the law has never been enforced lmfao

[sweet tulip]

I thought it was the land of the free

[coral nest]

this^

red scare is crazy

communist control act of 1954

[sweet tulip]

I feel like zezba is about to blow my mind

[coral nest]

"anyone associated or apart of the communist party of the united states of america or communist supporting parties" is their description IIRC

[coral nest]

its something along those lines

[sweet tulip]

australia doesn't even have the right to free speech btw 👀

[young kite]

they actually tried to git rid of encryption with all of that.

saying everyone was spys...

[noble geode]

Isn't that what you're doing?

[coral nest]

The second amendment should have only allowed for muskets, flintlocks, and cannons

[sweet tulip]

a what

[young kite]

and bumpstocks*

[noble geode]

yeah fuck raegan

[noble geode]

who banned bumps btw?

[sweet tulip]

what are the no no words so I can say them all

[young kite]

trumpy boy

[noble geode]

Ragean was scared of minorities, mostly black people, so he made anti-gun laws

[young kite]

broke my heart

i mean they got unbanned...

[noble geode]

since when does the ATF pass laws?

[young kite]

trump did it all fucked up

banned it and was like let the court sort it out

court was like lol no

[coral nest]

ong?

thought it was a little more left

[sweet tulip]

it is

[coral nest]

website?

[noble geode]

Nope.

ATF isn't congress, senate or president it has no legislation

[young kite]

Trump was also the first republican president to support gay marriage. Obama was the first dem.

[sweet tulip]

allsides(no idea if its trustworthy), I just opened a few to find a visual lol

[young kite]

All these partys just say what they think the majority of people want.

[noble geode]

So far right is okay but far left isn't?

[coral nest]

not left enough. i only use my most left medias.

[noble geode]

Those are enforcement operations, not passing or writing laws.

[young kite]

The same two guys own all of the pubilcations

[noble geode]

The ATF absolutely pretends they are law makers, but they're not. They can barely operate firearms from the videos I've seen.

I am fully aware.

[sweet tulip]

LMAO they say sky news is left leaning? that can't be right

[young kite]

NONE OF IT MEANS ANYTHING

FUCK ITS LIKE IM GOING CRAZY

[noble geode]

Average trump voter

[young kite]

I'm going to bed.

[sweet tulip]

I found a thing

[noble geode]

enjoy your gender affirming care @young kite

[young kite]

ty

[noble geode]

this is all right wing media

Left wing media would be independent journalists

[sweet tulip]

so what is left wing media?

I want to find the far right and far left and compare

[noble geode]

Independent left wing journalists most like.

[sweet tulip]

since I can't seem to find neutral news, I'll just get the raw both sides view

[noble geode]

The Us and it's corporate media are all right wing because the US is inherently right wing. When you say left wing in a capitalist system you're just saying "closer to center"

Truth social is state run far-right media btw

[sweet tulip]

thanks, I think seeing both sides of each story is the only fair way to approach news these days

[silent moon]

cinnamonpancake received a thank you cookie!

[noble geode]

I would not bother feeding that specific troll tbh

[sweet tulip]

advent of code?

[noble geode]

I get that, but it will not be productive and they give off a somewhat dangerous/violent vibe

good night

yeah gotta be up in a few hours.

[sweet tulip]

as in they're both super right? or like VOX is left version of daily wire

someone told me china was communist just today

oh maybe the ccp is

[noble geode]

Can we get more services banned.
Twitter/x is good
But can we get Meta banned + youtube because youtube allows nazis and such to post

[blissful mica]

A lot of people just use the word wrong on both sides

[sweet tulip]

what about discord

[noble geode]

Rumble would also be good

[sweet tulip]

welp I just realised I have a picture of mussolini and hitler open

I was trying to figure out what fascism is

[coral nest]

how woke am i chat

[sweet tulip]

basically a nazi /s /lh

[sterile roost]

What if all external links were removed except for news sites like videocardz.com or something like that

[coral nest]

the first image that i saw on the graphs page was the example and it showed like "center-left authoritarian"
i thought it was my graph and i was like "what the fuck"

😭

[noble geode]

Ye lets only have confirmed ally news sites allowed and other trusted sources.

[coral nest]

was stalin totalitarian or is my history book just biased

[sterile roost]

Sounds best to also prevent misinformation

Or disinformation

[coral nest]

what ive heard is that getting to socialism/communism is never pretty so that matches

thats socialism i think

not communism

correct me if im wrong

[noble geode]

I'm also kinda like anarchist, my anarchism is just the ways to an end

[coral nest]

personally
za government must exist, za money must exist
that is my belief
the end

(/hj)

[coral nest]

in all seriousness the second part is why im not communist
money needs to exist imho

[sweet tulip]

hj?

humorous jokes?

[coral nest]

its the worst tone indicator

half-joking

jan misali has a video as to why it sucks

but i use it because there's no alternative 😭

and usually it gets the point across
i elaborate when it doesn't

[coral nest]

TLDR: You don't know which half of a half-joke is a joke and which is not the joke

[noble geode]

But while we are at it. If money must exist so does banks. What do we do with the zionists (jews) who run all the banks

[sweet tulip]

I thought this was a meme when I read 'the conquest of bread'

[coral nest]

I think its possible to transition from capitalism to socialism peacefully without authoritarianism taking place
In my mind, socialism is sort of just a "capitalism improved" hence why its a "transition period"

The thing is, possible ≠ achievable

[sweet tulip]

can socialists own mansions

[coral nest]

Do yall just carry a dictionary in your brain

I don't understand half of the political terms the people here use

[noble geode]

I'm getting really bad feels from this guy. He might be one of those people

[sweet tulip]

what

[coral nest]

Wait wtf are you saying here

Very confused

"zionists (jews)" leaves a bad taste in my mouth

[ornate scroll]

does a mansion produce any goods? no its personal property. you keep that.

[sweet tulip]

I mean in a country where you have no need for money, can one person still live in luxury if they desire it
eg if I decided not to have kids, and don't go on holiday - and put 100% of my money towards an amazing house

but there's no money or wealth to save

[noble geode]

I mean they control most of the wealth so just asking what should we do about that

[sweet tulip]

does everyone have the same living conditions

[ornate scroll]

dude how has this server attracted every ist in the book?

we got anti-semitism now. anyone keeping track lol?

[stray solar]

This thread loves North Korea 🫰

[sweet tulip]

isn't that the definition

[noble geode]

Cmon dude you cant be this new even marx wrote a book about it

[coral nest]

what

about Jewish people having too much money or about all Jewish people being zionist..?

[sweet tulip]

also what did you mean I might be "one of those people"

[noble geode]

Oh noo the mods

[sterile roost]

Jews wrld

[ornate scroll]

apple

[coral nest]

...racist?

[sweet tulip]

racist?

[coral nest]

wha

[coral nest]

either way which one

[stray solar]

ban GIFs

[coral nest]

its not tenor links
its embeds from the gifs screen
i cant send fakenitro gifs that i have saved as actual discord gifs. they link directly to discord cdn

[noble geode]

dude is anarcho communist.
reads marx
but gets triggered over one of his books
also crying for mods.
you must like the dead kids in Gaza

You’ll have to tag mods or put in tickets and wait for one to show up but they’ll get to them when they can.

[stray solar]

need a poll to ban GIFs

[sterile roost]

Reading the conversation:

[sweet tulip]

ngl I've seen my fair share of GORE and shooting gifs in this server, might be a good idea

[noble geode]

If you don’t want to get moderated maybe read and follow the rules and doing be a bigot

[stray solar]

yep lets ban image sharing too. too much chud energy in my opinion

[noble geode]

<@&399818870568779776>

[sweet tulip]

ban discord

[coral nest]

😭

[coral nest]

huh

[noble geode]

What are Jews anyways? They are religion sometimes and sometimes a race. Sometimes a ideology.
Even Trump is a convert so what are they

[coral nest]

i think that was a juice world joke

unless uh

[noble geode]

Aren’t you new anyway? Tf do you know about the server?

[stray solar]

ban discord.. lets do a poll mods.

[coral nest]

i dont even fuckin know lets go past that

ignore what i said

[noble geode]

Why are we even on discord? Shouldnt we be on matrix?

[coral nest]

judaism is an ethnoreligion
definition of ethnoreligion:

An ethnoreligious group is an ethnic group of people whose members are also unified by a common religious background
definition of ethnicity:
An ethnic quality or affiliation resulting from racial or cultural ties

[sterile roost]

Will they host a teamspeak server

[sweet tulip]

wth is that

[noble geode]

You just joined the server, you literally don’t even have to be here.

[noble geode]

So you dont have to be here either

[noble geode]

<@&399818870568779776> antisemetic troll

[noble geode]

?

[coral nest]

i think this is the wrong reply but correct

[noble geode]

I'm troll for replying in kind?

[noble geode]

His reply is an obvious low effort troll and pancake already tagged the antisemetic message

[coral nest]

@noble geode which Marx book were you referring to?

[sweet tulip]

I thought the far left were against israel

[noble geode]

So I’m giving them more reference point if needed

Gotta break out the crayons again

[sweet tulip]

okay I'm confused

[sterile roost]

Debate over banning twitter links ❌

Discord among us ✅

[noble geode]

You can be anti-Israel and not be anti-Semitic lol

Israel is a state, and imperialistic.

[noble geode]

Pretty sure it was 1844 On The Jewish Question

[sterile roost]

Yeah idk they are good, intel had a fabrication facility there

Fab 33

[ornate scroll]

fun fact. arizona sweet tea has fukin fructose corn syrup in it

[sterile roost]

The best

[coral nest]

i view it as less of "i support the country" and more of "i support the killings/reasons for the killings" (in the case of supporting israel)
some could argue that you can be zionist to a low degree and support palestine

[noble geode]

@coral nest not sure on the date though

[coral nest]

agreed

how dare the north koreans support kim-jong-un

😭❓

[sweet tulip]

idk why I thought israel was thousands of years old

[noble geode]

I mean the Rothschild's bought Israel from the British so you are kinda correct its fully controlled by the elite

[sweet tulip]

like.. they talk about israelites in the bible ??

[coral nest]

israel is new as FUCK bro
Trump is older than israel

Yeah you heard me

[coral nest]

Donald Trump is older than Israel
Crazy to think about right?

and biden ofc

[sweet tulip]

so where did israelites come from

[coral nest]

only said trump since he's younger than biden to put it more into perspective

[ornate scroll]

SO ANYWAY. other than elon musks funny salute. what are the other reasons to ban twitter links from here?

[noble geode]

Wait you know Israel was created in 1945 right?

Sorry Hitlers nazism is lame

[sweet tulip]

it's the same people though right?

gotcha

[coral nest]

ok so apparently

• the bible refers to canaan
  • also known as the land of the children of Israel (the person)
    • hence "israelites"
• also canaan is apparently dead-center where israel actually is but i havent confirmed this

[sweet tulip]

ah I thought in the bible it was "the land of israel"

idk I haven't read it in a decade or so

[noble geode]

It’s a dying social platform that is full of content that doesn’t fit the servers rules, it also is known for censorship and harassment as well as emboldening hate groups. Also the owner backdoored federal computer systems so he and Twitter are cyber terrorists?

[sweet tulip]

gotcha, didn't know it was a person

thanks

[coral nest]

Jacob is Israel if that helps

he was renamed

[sweet tulip]

I'm glad I relearned this stuff

[coral nest]

twitter is unironically a shithole
i make a new account and my entire fucking feed is donald trump, <insert other rightist here>, and elon musk posts

[coral nest]

i solely use twitter throwaway accounts 💀 if there's something worth seeing then... to the tempmail i go

[noble geode]

It’s worth half its original value since acquisition too. It’s basically just spyware and propaganda for white supremecists and bots to make them feel like they’re having debates with leftists 😂

[ornate scroll]

i thought it was about freespeech and saying what you want? whaat?

[noble geode]

You’re certainly not the brightest bulb

[coral nest]

Its free speech with a large algorithmic bias towards the speech Elon prefers

[storm willow]

benefit of the doubt, buuut i think that mighta been sarcasm

[ornate scroll]

rude. ad hominem. sorry im not chronically on twitter.

[noble geode]

😏

[sweet tulip]

this year I genuinely want to educate myself more

[noble geode]

Twitter is just too full of hate and how things are going in US and Europe even if we allow only certain profiles the community notes will be weaponized against us, it will only cause harm to the community

[noble geode]

Hah maybe . Im tired and new people keep coming from YouTube to throw a fit about censorship or some shit cause they can’t think for themselves for five minutes

[storm willow]

fair enough

[coral nest]

I want to learn more about economic systems and religion in all honesty
The issue is I don't really.. religiously align with anything

[sweet tulip]

same

[coral nest]

the closest i am religiously is christianity

[coral nest]

but thats really only cause i have like 3 entire beliefs.

[sweet tulip]

but I might just read the bible for fun as a start, and then move on to other famous religious texts lol

[noble geode]

No worries I'm here advocating to ban Twitter and Meta

[sweet tulip]

I like buddhism

[storm willow]

Twitter has always sucked but it was at least bearable before 2022

[sweet tulip]

what are your 3 beliefs if it's not too personal

[outer raft]

I don't think not banning links constitutes support

[coral nest]

• god interferes with our lives, but not to an extreme degree
• the afterlife exists
• nobody is perfect and we all sin to some degree, but thats okay

[sweet tulip]

same with tiktok, my gf got content she hated, but then looked at the comments etc - got heated with drama
but then it just kept giving her the same shit she hates

until she reset it

[noble geode]

Meta is so ass

[outer raft]

Oh

[ornate scroll]

if we allow only certain profiles the community notes will be weaponized against us.
idk what that is.

[coral nest]

i think christianity takes sinning to an extreme degree

[coral nest]

you shouldn't be punished for not believing in god, for example

[noble geode]

Ye we should make a white list of allied/trusted websites that are allowed to be posted

[sweet tulip]

now I kind of want to build a 'political compass' site but for religion lmao
put in your agree/disagree and spit out "these religions are similar to your core beliefs"

[coral nest]

lmfao

[storm willow]

so there's a feature on Twitter (it predates musk's buyout) called Community Notes, it's a crowdfunded sorta method for fact checking tweets. but they can be gamed and used to spread misinformation just as easily as actual fact checking

[noble geode]

Yeah that washed up YouTuber failed to mention that, he just shills against FOSS and Linux

[noble geode]

In twitter people can "fact" check other people its called "community note" and if enough people get together they can put transphobia and racism into them

[ornate scroll]

how does Wikipedia work then?

[coral nest]

This page is protected again vandalism

[storm willow]

yeah Community Notes is fine, it's the one good feature that last i checked hasn't been removed to push some sort of agenda by musk

[coral nest]

(/hj)

Reminder that Francium has the most iconic bad faith Wikipedia edit

Francium is a stupid element

[noble geode]

Seen sites like kiwifarms targeting certain people with community notes, its about to become a real issue on twitter.

[coral nest]

okay im gonna go sleep, cyall

[storm willow]

oh i don't doubt that one bit, but on any SANE platform (i.e. NOT Twitter or Meta) it's a genuinely good feature to help halt the spread of misinformation

[noble geode]

It’s not that massive, like I said its value is half what it was when Elon aquired it. He bought it and drove it into the ground, the only people left are right wingers and bots.

[storm willow]

also Wikipedia is a good testing ground for Mediawiki updates so independent wikis that use mediawiki don't have to update and test for themselves too. if it can work large scale on the largest wiki in the world, surely it can work for the fucking Tetris wiki

[outer raft]

True

Especially considering you can download it in its entirety

[storm willow]

genuine encyclopedias i find boring as hell, but Wikipedia i always like, even if it's not accurate or perfect

[sweet tulip]

I did a test and it told me to read about 'new thought' whatever that is
also goodnight

[outer raft]

Is this because you can get context from all the links in the text

[late goblet]

gosh we are still going off in here

[noble geode]

Olay I'm bored was fun for few mins

[late goblet]

are we not allowed to post gifs in here

oh

oh nah haha

im good

[wispy garnet]

lol that's stupid

[late goblet]

🧦

aww cute face

love myself some text faces

im just going to shitpost in this thread because its funny

furries :3

i LOVE furries

[noble geode]

Nothing better than listening to Ukrainian NSBM and advocating for stupid shit on discord that will only hurt the insufferable drooling crayon eaters of the linux/opensource community. Good distro tho will keep using

Bye