[SOLVED] Wanting to remap Z and Y key.

[rugged socket]

Hey, so I have a CH keyboard layout but am used to the QWERTY. I came across keyd, which many said would solve my problem of wanting to switch the Y and Z key (all the other keys can stay that way). I'm not sure how to configure it. I used Bard to help me, it output this keyd.conf which it said to put in the /etc/keyd folder, which I did but it didn't work out, even after restarting. Can someone help me please? Thanks so much in regard.

Bard's config:

device "default" {
bind_key {
    key = "KEY_Z"
    symbol = "KEY_Y"
}

bind_key {
    key = "KEY_Y"
    symbol = "KEY_Z"
}
}

[flint root]

idk if it works but change key to XK_

eg XK_Z

[rugged socket]

that still doesn't work :c

you meant to replace all of the KEY to XK right?

[flint root]

hmm

[flint root]

yeah

"XK_Y"

"XK_Z"

[rugged socket]

yes exactly

[flint root]

if i were you i'd disassemble the keyboard and manually map it

[rugged socket]

i'm on a laptop unfortunately

[flint root]

oh

oh no

[rugged socket]

i somehow got off the keycaps and replaced them which works surprisingly well

i just switched from windows

[flint root]

hmm

[rugged socket]

well on my laptop that is, i have some linux experience from my pc

[flint root]

i remember a utility i used to map keys to emojis

[rugged socket]

wait i just tried running the command

[flint root]

ill try to find it

[rugged socket]

why wouldn't it be able to parse it?

[flint root]

oh

maybe

try chmod to 600

chmod 600 /etc/keyd/keyd.conf

[rugged socket]

do i have to run it as sudo?

[flint root]

yes

its in the /etc dir

[rugged socket]

well i did that, no output

do i have to run the keyd command?

sorry i'm really not too experienced at all

just did that, still failed to parse the config

[flint root]

hm

maybe use setxkbmap

localectl list-x11-keymap-layouts

setxkbmap us

[rugged socket]

or wait what if bard put in some spaces / tabs?

would that make it unparsable?

[flint root]

hmm

did you do it

@rugged socket

[rugged socket]

just did it, still the same

[flint root]

how

i swapped to ch

then to us

can you send the output

[rugged socket]

idk if i'm overseeing some beginner thing, i just installed it with yay and then put the config into the etc/keyd folder

[flint root]

btw

why are you using keyd

[rugged socket]

when using sudo keyd?

[flint root]

no

keyd is the issue

[rugged socket]

i have a ch layout cuz i live in switzerland, but on my desktop i have a us keyboard and am therefore used to qwerty lol

[flint root]

sudo yay -R keyd

[flint root]

delete keyd

or disable it

[rugged socket]

and on my laptop i need the swiss characters so i wanna keep it the same, just swap z and y

[flint root]

oh

hold up

maybe use sxhkd

and make it swap layouts

[rugged socket]

that's not what i want tho

i manage all the special characters and everything

just the z y is very annoying

[flint root]

oh

there was a gui application for this

i think it was keymapper or something

https://github.com/houmain/keymapper

this

[rugged socket]

i'll try, thanks

[flint root]

install keymapper

oh god

i changed to ch lazout and the character are so diffrent

[rugged socket]

ahahaaa my bad

i installed it but i don't think there's a gui?

when i type keymapper into kfinder there's nothing showing up

[flint root]

there is no gui

[rugged socket]

ohh alr

[flint root]

so my hunch was wrong

ig

[rugged socket]

uhm do you know about the syntax and where to put the config?

[flint root]

yes

$HOME/.config/keymapper.conf

for systemwide its /etc/keymapper.conf

inside keymapper.conf should be

 Z >> Y
 Y >> Z ```

so now Z is Y and Y is Z

[rugged socket]

do i have to start the prohram somehow? put the systemwide config

[flint root]

keymapperd

keymapperd

[rugged socket]

with the d?

[flint root]

yea

[rugged socket]

also there's no output or anything

[flint root]

try

[rugged socket]

i tried, doesn't work

[flint root]

i mean

setsid keymapperd &

[flint root]

ok

now try doing qwerty

if it stays as z i did smth wrong

[rugged socket]

wait what

just closed and reopened a terminal

[flint root]

hmm

[rugged socket]

sudo setsid keymapperd &
[2] 19760
[1] Done setsid keymapperd

[flint root]

yea

[rugged socket]

and this is when i run it as sudo

the install is about 2 months old tho, i can't currently get everything to update

sorry maybe shoulda told earlier

[flint root]

btw sorry for not being able to respond a key cap fell

[rugged socket]

no worries

uhm this comes a bit out of the blue but would you may be able to help me with my upgarde problem too?

this is what happens always

[flint root]

oh

this happened to me

do

sudo pacman-key --init

[rugged socket]

and i also do not understand when it does not upgrade ANY packages when afaik only one is corrupted

[flint root]

yeah

btw

your gpg keys are corrupted

you have to upgrade them

sudo pacman-key --init

sudo pacman-key --refresh-keys

and then do ctrl+c

after a bit

sudo pacman -S archlinux-keyring

[rugged socket]

uhm

how long to wait after the refresh keys command

[flint root]

if you want you can wait for all of the keys to refresh

but 30-45 seconds did the trick for me

[rugged socket]

i realize i'm asking noob questions but i understand pgp, what is the difference to gpg tho and is it only needed for package verification, similarly to how you can verify .onion mirros using pgp?

and whose keys are those

giving me random email addresses

[flint root]

they are archlinux organization members

[rugged socket]

and their gpg keys are invalid, similarly to how you can set pgp keys to expire?

[flint root]

idk whats pgp and gpg but i had this problem and i just had to refresh the keys

[rugged socket]

lmao okok

[flint root]

xd

[rugged socket]

tbh, i only know pgp encryption from sketch darknet market stuff haha

[flint root]

darknet :sus:

[rugged socket]

only a little

[flint root]

did it work

btw

[rugged socket]

it's still running lol

[flint root]

when the problem happened to me

[rugged socket]

line after line

[flint root]

shit

press CTRL+C

levente polyakk signatures expired

[rugged socket]

and now the other command?

[flint root]

which one did you finish

[rugged socket]

uhm you mean the last entry?

[flint root]

i mean

[rugged socket]

shortly after that, i ctrl c'd

[flint root]

did you finish sudo pacman-key --init or sudo pacman-key --refresh-keys

ok good

now

sudo pacman -S archlinux-keyring

[rugged socket]

yea i just did that

[flint root]

oh it worked

[rugged socket]

i think it did?

[flint root]

no errors?

[rugged socket]

can i do the yay command now?

you think it'll work?

[flint root]

hold up

do pacman -Sy

[rugged socket]

for the last one not

[rugged socket]

wait what's the difference between that and syu

[flint root]

wdym

[flint root]

syu does a full system upgrade

sy only initializes it

[oak crystal]

running -Sy is a bad idea

[flint root]

it is?

[oak crystal]

yes

it can cause a partial upgrade

[flint root]

oh yeah

[oak crystal]

you should always update everything when you update your package list

[rugged socket]

can yay do the same?

[flint root]

oh yeah

[rugged socket]

also i never even heard of the key signatures, only something from monero lol but do i have to run those same commands on my desktop pc aswell on a somewhat regular basis?

[oak crystal]

yay is just a pacman wrapper which can also install aur stuff
you shouldn't use -Sy with yay either (because it just calls pacman -Sy)

[flint root]

i forgot pacman syntax

[rugged socket]

i used to upgrade everything with yay (no dashes), is that like sudo pacman -Sy for aur too or is that the -Syu option for the aur too?

[oak crystal]

-S sync operation
-y update package lists
-u update all packages

[flint root]

wait

if -y only updates package lists how is it a partial upgrade

[oak crystal]

because if you run that without updating everything, and then afterwards install some package, it could cause a newer version of some library to be installed, which breaks other software which depended on the older version of the library

someone here broke pacman a couple days ago from this

[flint root]

oh

thanks

[oak crystal]

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_maintenance#Partial_upgrades_are_unsupported

[flint root]

but it only installs a new library

it doesn't delete older libs

[rugged socket]

@oak crystal sorry to bother but am I fin using the yaya wothout any dashes or does that pose the same risks as running pacman without the u

i mean -Sy instead of -Syu

[oak crystal]

running yay without any arguments just runs pacman -Syu and then updates all your AUR packages

do not use -Sy

[rugged socket]

ohh perfect thanks a ton!

[rugged socket]

got it sir

[oak crystal]

there's no reason to

[flint root]

ok

[rugged socket]

also yay is a cool asf command

[flint root]

makepkg uses 100% of my cpu

lol i might stick to only 1 core

[oak crystal]

makes sense, it is compiling software most likely

[rugged socket]

alr then thank yuou for helping me with the signatures, do you often have to update these or is this just because i did my arch linux install for the laptop on a 2 months old usb stick

[flint root]

can't i just get some binary

[oak crystal]

yes if there's a -bin package

[flint root]

i did archinstall on a 2 months old iso

anthraxx sigs expired then

[rugged socket]

ok but regardles of the iso, does one have to update their signatures gpg thingies regularly to avoid running into problems?

[oak crystal]

i update once a week or so

no, if you do it often enough you shouldn't have any key problems

[flint root]

hold up so it works know

[rugged socket]

the keys?

[flint root]

nah the upgrade

[rugged socket]

yes yes i upgraded all my packages finally

thanks a ton

[flint root]

np

[rugged socket]

and are all the problems that can happen like the one i experienced where i'm unable to upgrade packages or can it be minor things that are harder to notice?

[oak crystal]

usually sudo pacman -S archlinux-keyring is all you need to do to fix it

[rugged socket]

ok thank you

[flint root]

thanks @oak crystal

[spare spoke]

armv8 received a thank you cookie!

[flint root]

hmm but when i did that on the coruppted iso a sig by richard was corrupted

[oak crystal]

sometimes you need to do the other commands

[flint root]

yeah

[oak crystal]

the pacman-key stuff

[flint root]

im genuinly proud of my self for doing this without help from the arch wiki

[rugged socket]

i have stuff to do guys sorry will be b back thanks for the help in the meantime

[flint root]

np

[young yarrow]

Is there a reason you can’t simply apply the QWERTY layout?

I’ve used Dvorak on QWERTY keyboards for awhile. All the system cares about are the keycodes and they keymap in use, not the letters printed on the keys.

[rugged socket]

ok i'm here again

so i uninstalled and reinstalled keymapper

then i put a keymapper.conf file into the /etc folder with the content

Z >> Y
Y >> Z

and ran kaymapperd

ERROR: Initializing keymapper connection failed

this is what i got

any help would be much appreciated

[flint root]

Hmm

Doubt this will help but

its possible to make a script to change layouts to us and then switch back to ch

using sxhkd

[rugged socket]

unfortunately that's not an option :c i really want to use the äöü without switching layouts

[flint root]

how

§

[rugged socket]

but hold up, let me try again to use keyd, maybe it was somehow related to the keyring thing that i now solved

[rugged socket]

where it's ';[] on the us

[flint root]

ü¨

[rugged socket]

haha yea

[flint root]

pü¨

pütin

lol this is like turkish

öü¨

[rugged socket]

it's german bro the umlaut is fucking patented by MY Language alright

lmao

also try shift and '

[flint root]

you dont use italian_

à

[rugged socket]

i mean shift and ;

[flint root]

lol this is fun

é

[rugged socket]

yea

[flint root]

finna change to french

[rugged socket]

that's why it's swiss, it's to cover french, italian and german

[flint root]

oh no its azerty

[rugged socket]

yeah the french keyboard layout is out of this world idfk wtf they be doing over there

[flint root]

i cant siwtch fck

[rugged socket]

lmao

alr lemme scroll up and redo all the keyd settings

[flint root]

I fixed it

unforseen dream scenarios that glorify beauty of a vacuum cleaner💀

[rugged socket]

ok so i will try putting this document into /etc/keyd as keyd.conf

device "default" {
bind_key {
key = "KEY_Z"
symbol = "KEY_Y"
}
bind_key {
key = "KEY_Y"
symbol = "KEY_Z"
}
}

this should IN THEORY work right

[flint root]

hmm

IN THEORY

xd

[rugged socket]

now i run sudo keyd

aaannnndd

CONFIG: parsing /etc/keyd/keyd.conf
DEVICE: WARNING failed to parse /etc/keyd/keyd.conf

damn

it shouldn't have anything to do with me using wayland tho right

I FUCKING GOT IT WORKING

so the syntax that google bard provided was simply dogshit

[ids]

*

[main]

y = z
z = y

this is how it works

alr i'm just stupid and everyone should use their ability to read

lesson learned

thanks for sticking around tho lol

[flint root]

np

... solved

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[rugged socket]

[SOLVED] Wanting to remap Z and Y key.