#Don't slurs depend on context

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tight trench
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isn't this more of #controversial-archive, the nature of the discussion seems more on language rather than whether to allow them in the server?
(from my pov atleast)

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yeah isn't that#controversial-archive ?

lucid lynx
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Discussions of the way server moderation is applied are generally meant to go in #1006744879583461418

tight trench
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yes yes goto #controversial-archive

lucid lynx
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Most words that are considered to be slurs should be avoided regardless of context

static mist
lucid lynx
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If you don't absolutely need to use that exact word to make your point, it's generally more considerate of others, especially those who have trauma surrounding those words.

tight trench
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if you want "double meaning" slurs to be allowed in the server then this is the place,
if you want to discuss (I'm kinda on your side on this) what should be considered a slurs then #controversial-archive is the place.

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@lucid lynx meant the first I think

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what two meanings are you referring too?
DMs if it's not comfortable here?

lucid lynx
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Regardless of context the r-slur is bad because using it to say "x is r****" is literally saying that it's bad because it's comparable to neurodivergency

tight trench
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*word
or that's really offensive xd

lucid lynx
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but that's not the commonly accepted definition for that word now.

tight trench
lucid lynx
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That definition of the word also is fairly obsolete, and very unlikely to come up in a normal conversation.

white anvil
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I was retarded by my safety rope so my fall was less severe-technically okay but probably a shit post to use the R word.

I am retarded- to mean lacking in cognitive ability == slur.

Here is a copy paste from chillzone that I wrote some time ago:

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Okay so, I'm gonna start with a brief explanation of what prescriptive language is, and what the medical model of disability is.
Prescriptive language holds that things ought to be a certain way. If something is 'evil' then there is a prescription that things ought not be that way. If things are 'stupid' then again, that holds things ought not be that way.
Retarded here is the same, it is a bad thing to be called retarded, it is inherently something that should be better. "That's retarded" mean it's stupid, and ought to be different.

The word retard came into use through medical language, but it quickly became used to describe people who are ND (neuro-divergent).

Behaviours associated with being ND have also been frequently ridiculed and mocked.
This to the extent that after begining to use it for pretty much anyone who wasn't NT, or who faced a cognitive issue, that they / their behaviours would be described as "retarded".

The medical model of disability faces a lot of issues, it marks people as wrong simply for existing, but without really much sense to it.
Disorder immediately says something is wrong. If I have a liver disorder, you know that my liver is essentially not functioning correctly. But when it comes to people that same word is used, and it's simply because people are different.

Being ADHD, Autistic, so on so forth, is not a bad thing. Someone might be "different" to NT folk (that's neuro-typicals), but they are not broken.

The social model of disability as a contrast looks at the environments people are in. Disabled goes from being an adjective (X is disabled because they have ADHD) to a verb (When you stop X from being able to stimulate themselves with activity, that is painful for them, and disables them, because they are an ADHDer).

The term retard to describe yourself, or another, inherently sends a prescriptive, medical model of disability view, and perpetuates the idea that there is something wrong with ND folk. It is a loaded term.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retard_(pejorative)

Retard (pejorative)

In modern usage, retard is a pejorative term either for someone with a mental disability or for someone who is considered stupid, slow to understand, or ineffective in some way. The adjective retarded is in the same way used for something very foolish or stupid. Because it is now considered offensive, the word is commonly referred to by the euph...

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If someone were to say “I need to retard a signal” - sure, that isn’t a slur, but if someone were to say “you are like this signal, retarded” then it’s being applied to a person’s identity/cognitive function.

It goes almost without saying that certain slurs have contexts where they are okay, but it’s massively important to understand that there can also be shit-posting contexts where it reads as someone trying to weaponise that double meaning.

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Example: someone got warned to stop using the r word as a slur, and went out of their way to start using it in a technically okay manner, but really just wanted to use it in the server and thus used it in a way where it’s fallen out of fashion. Language can be complicated.

white anvil
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Have a review of the YouTube video I pinned in my big pin in #off-topic

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It applies to both

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AuDHDer, we got a few of them, where’s @lucid lynx ? :p

lucid lynx
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hello yes i ammm one of those

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fkn m key

white anvil
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Autistic and ADHDer

lucid lynx
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this is why you don't buy cheap mechanical keyboards

white anvil
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Yeah it’s common with certain neurotypes

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But yeah, I don’t think neurotypes are inherently disabilities, different doesn’t mean lesser

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Yes, and I’m looking forward to confirming whether or not I am autistic, I am definitely dyslexic (assessed multiple times)

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That’s something I honestly think you should explore first yourself whilst you hopefully look into the social model of disability

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Social model is one is disabled by their environment, medical model someone is a disabled person, difference between a verb and an adjective

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Subject someone to things that trigger sensory overload, then that will disable them, until they can get through that, and thus their ability to function will diminish whilst they have sensory overload

lucid lynx
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I don't really know that i'd consider a "severely" autistic person disabled though

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they can still live fulfilling lives, it's just difficult for them to integrate with society

white anvil
lucid lynx
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yeah that's a better termm

white anvil
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To function in society some people need more help from other people than some other people

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Different people have different levels of needs, some people need very little, others need a carer

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If you consider yourself disabled, that’s totally fine, but if you’re simply being labelled disabled and not given the option to explore another view point, then that’s problematic

teal willow
# white anvil Autistic and ADHDer

There’s a chance I could be that, but idk because there’s also a good chance that I got misdiagnosed for autism as a young child and my mom used to mention that I’m autistic over and over again almost like brainwashing me or something. But now, I’ve sort of developed ADD or ADHD symptoms, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the internet (particularly YouTube) could have actually caused me to develop one of those. I’ve been having some terrible mind racing events lately (and become very hyper at times) even while not watching YouTube, but I’m not sure how I would diagnose it.

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The only autistic traits I have now are just being sensorially overloaded by loud sounds and crowds.

tight trench
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I had a LOT of problems with distinguishing left and right. But then I cut my pinky on my right hand so that was not a problem anymore and other stuff subsided.

white anvil
tight trench
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I feel my symptoms get do get triggered when I'm in certain environments. So maybe they were surpressed/latent and got triggered noticeably after a long time..
Does that make sense?

white anvil
teal willow