i want to install tkg-bmq kernel but i want to configure it first then start compiling it

[foggy frigate]

I've never done it before so idk

No

[remote lichen]

So do I lol...just pls tell me cause ur more experienced than me

[foggy frigate]

You just follow the steps on the ArchWiki page, that's really all there is to it
You just have to edit 2 files (arch.conf and loader.conf) and it tells you what to write

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-boot#Configuration

So see the load.conf entry at the start of the section and the arch.conf entry a bit further down
You can just copy it exactly and it'll work

And whenever it says "esp", that's just your /boot folder

[remote lichen]

Pfff...I just find it hard to understand from the wiki

Can u just please tell me what to type uh 😥

Please

[foggy frigate]

Write this in the /boot/loader/loader.conf file

Write this in the /boot/loader/entries/arch.conf

[remote lichen]

Entered /boot/loader/loader.conf and no output from it

Nano ?

Should I use nano

[foggy frigate]

Use any text editor

[remote lichen]

Default then tab arch.conf ? Or space

[foggy frigate]

Space

Tabs actually won't work

[remote lichen]

Should I delete those 2 ?

Or write under them

@foggy frigate

[foggy frigate]

Yeah just delete it, it doesn't matter

If the line starts with a hashtag, systemd boot will ignore the line

[remote lichen]

Now ctrlo then Ctrl x

[foggy frigate]

Yep

Well the movie is starting in 5 minutes so I have to go
Hopefully it just works now, if not you can ask other people or Google it since a lot of people here use systemd boot

[remote lichen]

Oh

K have fun

[remote lichen]

Reboot after this ?

[foggy frigate]

Do bootctl update

[remote lichen]

Alright

[foggy frigate]

And make sure bootctl list has the new boot entry

[remote lichen]

Is that fine like that ?

@foggy frigate

[foggy frigate]

Install intel-microcode

[remote lichen]

Pacman -S intel-ucode ?

[foggy frigate]

yeah

Thought it was called intel-microcode oops

[remote lichen]

Oh I can't cause I didn't connect wifi

[foggy frigate]

(if you're wondering how in still here, I forgot movies have like 30 minutes of commercials before starting lol)

[foggy frigate]

ah yeah just run nmtui

[remote lichen]

Oh lol

[foggy frigate]

Or maybe that wont work since network manager wouldn't be running

You might need to exit the chroot and connect normally

And then enter the chroot again

[remote lichen]

Ye didn't work

Entered the chroot..do I need to type any mount commands ?

Or just install directly intel-ucode

@foggy frigate

[foggy frigate]

Just Install intel-ucode

[remote lichen]

Done

Now what

Bootctl list ?

[foggy frigate]

yeah and see if the intel-ucode line is still red

[remote lichen]

Ye its there

[foggy frigate]

Then yeah just reboot and it should work

[remote lichen]

Hope so

I got this

[foggy frigate]

Ah, right
I didn't read that part
You have to set your root's disk label to "arch_os"

[remote lichen]

How

[foggy frigate]

It's weird that systemd boot uses these
Basically they're just a name you give a partition, idk why systemd would use these for something

[foggy frigate]

Lemme look it up, I've never done it before

[remote lichen]

Really appreciate it

[foggy frigate]

Install e2fsprogs and run
e2label /dev/sda1 "arch_os"

[remote lichen]

On the same screen that I'm on now ?

[foggy frigate]

Nope you'd need to go back to the iso and mount the drives and arch-chroot again

[remote lichen]

K wait me a min

[remote lichen]

Not found

[foggy frigate]

Or wait sorry, /dev/sda2 not sda1

Wait not found for what part

[remote lichen]

The program to install

So ?

[foggy frigate]

It can't find the e2fsprogs package?

[remote lichen]

Ye

Says target not found

[foggy frigate]

Apparently it's in core
Try just running the command

Anyway movie is starting for real sorry, bye

[remote lichen]

Cya

Is that fine ?

Lmk when u get online

[remote lichen]

mount root to /mnt
mount efi partition to /mnt/boot
arch-chroot /mnt
nano /mnt/boot/entries/arch.conf (could be a different file)
change the root parameter to root=/dev/sda2
save it
exit chroot (exit)
umount -R /mnt
restart
Someone sent me this when I sent them the picture with archos thing...don't know if its gonna help or no

[remote lichen]

• I still dunno if this is alr or no... Didn't even restart or anything...left it as it is

Hope u gonna come back soon cause I don't like sleeping late everyday... That makes my whole day bad uh

[remote lichen]

Imma sleep now uh...just tell me what to do exactly with commands pls and I'll do them tomorrow morning

[rustic heart]

you misspellede2fsprogs when installing it

and you want to use e2label on /dev/sda2, not 1

[remote lichen]

So I should try installing it now again ?

[rustic heart]

you shouldn't need to manually add a boot entry, just run grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg

[rustic heart]

if you want, but labels aren't required

[remote lichen]

I'm using system-d boot not grub

[rustic heart]

oh, i'm not familiar with systemd-boot

[remote lichen]

Nvm then I'll wait for jodi then ig

[foggy frigate]

They are for systemd boot, at least it's recommended

@remote lichen I'm here now if you need help

[foggy frigate]

You need to do sda2 instead of sda1 since sda2 is the root partition

[remote lichen]

How can I change that

[remote lichen]

@foggy frigate

[remote lichen]

Finally my first manual install that'd working with systemd boot and...phew I'm pretty happy now lol but IG I installed it so minimal...its not like when I installed it with arch install script ..many apps are missing

Can u recommend me app to unzip my files with thunar ? Cause terminal way is abit hard...I want a unzipping file the when I right click on a .zip file or .far for example it shows me extract here

[remote lichen]

and i installed pulseaudio and i noticed that it doesnt work..hope u know fix for it

[foggy frigate]

The one for thunar is called xfxe-thunar-archive-plugin

[foggy frigate]

.aw pulseaudio
Just check here and make sure everything is right

[silent valley]

No results found

[foggy frigate]

.aw pulseaudio

[silent valley]

Arch Wiki: Pulseaudio

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pulseaudio

[remote lichen]

Some PulseAudio modules are not included in the main package and must be installed separately if needed:

pulseaudio-alsa for PulseAudio to manage ALSA as well, see #ALSA
pulseaudio-bluetooth for bluetooth support (Bluez), see bluetooth headset page
pulseaudio-equalizer for equalizer sink (qpaeq)
pulseaudio-jack for JACK sink, source and jackdbus detection
pulseaudio-lirc for infrared volume control with LIRC
pulseaudio-zeroconf for Zeroconf (Avahi/DNS-SD) support 

do i have to install all that ?

@foggy frigate

[foggy frigate]

You probably don't need any of them other than maybe alsa for old programs that only support alsa and I guess Bluetooth if you, yaknow, use bluetooth

[remote lichen]

no i dont use blutooth so..
sudo pacman -S pulseaudio-alsa
yea ?

[foggy frigate]

I guess so

Is pulseaudio working anywhere though or just not in specific applications

You can check if the server is even active with pactl info

[remote lichen]

no...not working at all...sound icon not even on taskbar

[alu@arch ~]$ pactl info
Server String: /run/user/1000/pulse/native
Library Protocol Version: 35
Server Protocol Version: 35
Is Local: yes
Client Index: 6
Tile Size: 65472
User Name: alu
Host Name: arch
Server Name: pulseaudio
Server Version: 16.1
Default Sample Specification: s16le 2ch 44100Hz
Default Channel Map: front-left,front-right
Default Sink: alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo
Default Source: alsa_input.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo
Cookie: 7083:40a4
[alu@arch ~]$

[foggy frigate]

That sound icon is also a seperate package called xfce-pulseaudio-plugin

[foggy frigate]

So yeah it's active

What programs don't have sound that you've tried

[remote lichen]

firefox yt

[foggy frigate]

when you installed firefox, it should've asked you if you want jack or jack-pipewire
Which one did you pick

[remote lichen]

i dont remember actully..i just clicked enter on eveerything default

[foggy frigate]

I think it's pipewire by defauly

[remote lichen]

should i uninstall it and try again ?

[foggy frigate]

Just install jack and uninstall jack-pipewire and it'll be fine

pipewire is basically an alternative for pulseaudio (well more like a drop-in replacement)

[remote lichen]

sudo pacman -S jack
sudo pacman -Rs jack-pipeware
yea ?

[foggy frigate]

Yeah

[remote lichen]

[alu@arch ~]$ sudo pacman -S jack
[sudo] password for alu:
warning: jack2-1.9.21-3 is up to date -- reinstalling
resolving dependencies...
looking for conflicting packages...

Packages (1) jack2-1.9.21-3

Total Installed Size: 1.89 MiB
Net Upgrade Size: 0.00 MiB

:: Proceed with installation? [Y/n]

its already installed ig

ill type n and uninstall pipeware jack now

[remote lichen]

[alu@arch ~]$ sudo pacman -Rs jack-pipeware
error: target not found: jack-pipeware
[alu@arch ~]$

[foggy frigate]

You mispelled pipewire

[remote lichen]

oh

[alu@arch ~]$ sudo pacman -Rs jack-pipewire
error: target not found: jack-pipewire
[alu@arch ~]$

[foggy frigate]

Oh it's pipewire-jack

[remote lichen]

[alu@arch ~]$ sudo pacman -Rs pipewire-jack
[sudo] password for alu:
error: target not found: pipewire-jack

should i just reinstall firefox ?

[foggy frigate]

Means it wasn't installed
So seemingly it was installed correctly

Well first try to see if anything else that makes sound works

[remote lichen]

k sec

[foggy frigate]

Also try installing pavucontrol to see your devices
Make sure your speakers or headphones or whatever even come up

[remote lichen]

no sound in videos in mpv too

sudo pacman -S pavucontrol

installed

what now

@foggy frigate

[foggy frigate]

Run the pavucontrol app and see your devices and see if anything is there

[remote lichen]

yea there is firefox and system sounds in playback

recording is empty

[foggy frigate]

What's in the output devices section

[remote lichen]

port headphones and i cant change anything in it ig

[foggy frigate]

So your headphones are picked up

Weird how it doesn't work then

Your sound is up right
Like it's not muted or anything in pavucontrol

[remote lichen]

ye its up

[foggy frigate]

Weird there's no audio then
Maybe unplug the headphones and plug them back in

[remote lichen]

lol worked

but uhm mic doesnt work

nvm ig its working...lemme check in 1 sec

yea nvm woking

uhm just wanna ask u about some more few things ig so its fully working as i want it to be..so uhm...why i dont see recycle bin in thunar ?

and what screenshot tool thats lightweight can i install on xfce

[foggy frigate]

Xfce4-screenshooter

[remote lichen]

• when u boot ur pc up and shut it down do u also see the green text that says (ok)
  ok
  ok
  ok
  ok then turns off ? is there a way to remove them ?

[foggy frigate]

No I do not, but I think that's a systemd thing
I don't use systemd

[foggy frigate]

Because the recycling bin is also its own program
You need a thing called gvfs utils iirc, I've never used a recycling bin though so I don't remember

[remote lichen]

[alu@arch ~]$ sudo pacman -S Xfce4-screenshooter
error: target not found: Xfce4-screenshooter
[alu@arch ~]$

[foggy frigate]

it'd probably just called xfce-screenshooter

You can search btw, if you make a minor spelling mistake just do pacman -Ss Xfce4-screenshooter and it'll list packages with similar names

[remote lichen]

if i didint install an app for recycle bin...everything i delete will be deleted forever ? or if i installed recycle bin ill see everything i deleted ?

[foggy frigate]

Pretty sure it'll be deleted forever since it has no where to place it
It'll probably warn you about that too

[remote lichen]

[alu@arch ~]$ sudo pacman -Ss Xfce4-screenshooter
extra/xfce4-screenshooter 1.10.1-2 (xfce4-goodies)
An application to take screenshots
[alu@arch ~]$

so sudo pacman -S xfce4-goodies yea ?

[foggy frigate]

it's just xfce4-screenshooter without a capital X
the thing in parantheses is just a group that it's in
If you do pacman -S xfce4-goodies it'll install like 40 programs, one of which will be that one

Imo it's always better to get each one seperately as you need it

[remote lichen]

ah got u

uhm..why i cant control sound through my kerboard ?

[foggy frigate]

You need to add the pulseaudio to your panel to do that heh

Just right click on the panel (thing on the top) and click "add items"

Then click the plus and double click on the pulseaudio plugin

After that you'll see the volume icon and also be able to use the volume keys

[remote lichen]

pulse not in the items when i click add

[foggy frigate]

Did you install xfce-pulseaudio-plugin

[remote lichen]

oh no my bad

[alu@arch ~]$ sudo pacman -S xfce-pulseaudio-plugins
[sudo] password for alu:
error: target not found: xfce-pulseaudio-plugins
[alu@arch ~]$ sudo pacman -Ss xfce-pulseaudio-plugins
[alu@arch ~]$

ow u removed the s

[foggy frigate]

Yeah

[remote lichen]

[alu@arch ~]$ sudo pacman -S xfce-pulseaudio-plugin
error: target not found: xfce-pulseaudio-plugin
[alu@arch ~]$

also can i diable anything in here ?

cause like why would xfce settings start by itself once i boot up and what can happen if i disabled power management from startup apps ?

[foggy frigate]

Power management just shows you the current battery charge, it's not very useful unless you have a laptop
I think it also controls when the computer dims the screen after inactivity and stuff
I'd just leave it on

[remote lichen]

i have a laptop but i use it without battery at all...disabled battery from bios

[foggy frigate]

God dammit
This is the single one called xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin instead of just xfce
https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin/

[remote lichen]

@foggy frigate there is no app to open .txt files ? lol

hmm ?

[foggy frigate]

just install one

[remote lichen]

which

[foggy frigate]

your choice, theres a lot

mousepad if you want it to be basically just notepad from windows

[remote lichen]

lightest 1 for xfce ?

[foggy frigate]

gedit or kate if you want a full code editor

[remote lichen]

ig mousepad should be fine for me

i will send u the full thing i did and tell me if i need to change or add something to it...made it just incase kernel broke cause its arch lol...so i need to be ready for everything

@foggy frigate

[foggy frigate]

loooks good

id also add more groups though
wheel,audio,video,netdev,plugdev
thats generally what youd want since some programs need it

(if some dont exist, just add them with ex: groupadd plugdev

[remote lichen]

should i add make too and fakeroot ?

i mean since its base not base-devel

[foggy frigate]

you probably wont ever need those

base-devel is only needed if you plan on compiling programs

[remote lichen]

lol..i did need them to install yay actully

[foggy frigate]

yeah which is compiling a program

and it should install it for you if you run makepkg -si

unless makepkg is also part of base-devel

[remote lichen]

yea but its needed for many things lol..most ppl use it...maybe even u

[foggy frigate]

I use it because on gentoo you have to compile every package yourself (other than a few)

[remote lichen]

its also needed to clean temp files

[foggy frigate]

on arch I also used it since I used the aur a lot and it installs it for you

[remote lichen]

yay -Scc

yay -Sc

yay --clean

[remote lichen]

yea

[foggy frigate]

oh you mean yay
well yeah a lot of people use it, but itll install its dependencies for you

you dont need to manually install make and fakeroot
but either way it doesnt matter

if you think its helpful you can add it

[remote lichen]

i can force to remove them ? i guess ?

sudo pacman -Rndd

[foggy frigate]

you probably shouldnt, basically every aur package will just reinstall them

[remote lichen]

oh

alright

[remote lichen]

already tried installing both without them and it gives error

[remote lichen]

how can i add network icon in the taskbar ?

[remote lichen]

@foggy frigate

[foggy frigate]

xfce4-networkmanager-plugin

nvm I think its https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/network-manager-applet/

network-manager-applet

couldve sworn xfce had their own

[remote lichen]

installed and i dont see network in add items

[foggy frigate]

You just have to run nm-applet

You can add it to your autostart in the session and autostart settings app

[remote lichen]

nah i just installed it to disable wifi then gonna uninstall it again

[foggy frigate]

couldve just used nmtui or nmcli or anything else, its probably easier
for the future

[remote lichen]

oh

[remote lichen]

whats policykit and xfce settings for ? i mean why they are in startup apps ? and can i disable them ?

[foggy frigate]

policykit basically allows apps to request privileges, it's not too important but quite a few apps use it
Any app that asks you for your password when you open it uses policykit

And settings is what applies all of the settings you set in the settings apps

So without it your autostart stuff won't work, if you have keybindings, those won't work
Etc
It's a good idea to keep it on

[remote lichen]

got u..thanks for explaining

[remote lichen]

do u know how can i disable that weird beeb sound ?

[foggy frigate]

xset b off

You can add that to your autostart

[remote lichen]

can u lemme know how

nvm ill type it myself everytime i boot up since its already short

[foggy frigate]

Just put it into the autostart section of the Sessions and Startup settings app

[remote lichen]

@foggy frigate if i wanted to install my xanmod kernel with my config now ill just put my config in the folder then do the commands u said then when i restart ill see it ? or its diffrent in systemd-boot ? + if i wanted to install lts kernel just as a backup ill just type sudo pacman -S linux-lts then ill see it in my boot options ? its just as simple as that or there is something i need to do?

[foggy frigate]

should be the same yeah

[remote lichen]

no command to regenerate systemd ?

[foggy frigate]

well, youd want to add a new entry for it
just duplicate the arch.conf entry and change the file it uses for the kernel

and then run bootctl update

[remote lichen]

if i want to use 2 kernels i can type the the same thing in arch.conf but under what is already written so i can keep both in boot ?

[foggy frigate]

youd just duplicate the arch.conf file, call it like arch_xanmod.conf idk and do nothing other than change the
linux /vmlinuz-linux line to linux /xanmod-6.1.1-vmlinuz or whatever the file is called

you cant have them both in one file I dont think

[remote lichen]

i just wanted to do both in 1 file just incase something wrong happened to xanmod

[foggy frigate]

you probably cant do both in 1 file nor would it matter at all
itll just use both files and give you an entry for each file

[remote lichen]

whats the diffrence when i update my arch with these commands? :
sudo pacman -Sy
sudo pacman -Syy
sudo pacman -Syu
sudo pacman -Syyu
yay
just wondering tho

i usually just type yay to update...rarely doing others

[foggy frigate]

Sy is a partial upgrade, dont do this, it can break your system
Syy is the same except it also redownloads mirror databse files, also breaks your system but wastes bandwidth too
Syu is a regular update + upgrade
Syyu is a regular upgrade but also redownloads the mirror databsae, so its a regular update but wastes bandwidth

and yay just runs -Syu

[remote lichen]

Got u thanks for explaining tho

[remote lichen]

@foggy frigate is there a install script for gentoo ? my brother wants to install gentoo on his pc..and ive watched vids on yt and it seems waaaaaaaaaay harder than maunal arch install

[foggy frigate]

no there isnt for very good reason, you get infinitely more choices than on arch

it wouldnt fit into one script

and no its actually easier than arch

the guide is very complete and explains everything unlike arch which assumes that you already know a lot

[remote lichen]

lol there is vids that takes hours to install it

[foggy frigate]

it takes longer because you have to read more + you need to compile most of the system + unzip a tarball which is like 4gb of storage

a lot of it is just waiting

which if you arent ready for stuff to take hours, you shouldnt be using gentoo
on gentoo, you have to compile every package (other than a select few) which can take hours for certain packages

[remote lichen]

is it necessary to compile every single thing or optional

[foggy frigate]

necessary and also the entire point of the distro

some have optional -bin stuff like you dont need to compile a kernel or a browser

theres also technically cache servers but they again defeat the entire point of the distro and also dont work very well and are a bit annoying to set up

[remote lichen]

hmm alright then..imma try to set it up for him using the guide

[foggy frigate]

they should be able to do it themselves

it teaches them a lot thats necessary to know if youre using gentoo

[remote lichen]

its his first time using linux so..ig he cant do that himself

[foggy frigate]

you need to know what software you chose, how to use portage, how to set USE flags, how to use a terminal, how to wait I guess, etc

[foggy frigate]

he shouldnt be using gentoo then

it would be a terrible introduction

use something like linux mint, thats what I recommend to new people

[remote lichen]

told him to use arch and he refused and said he will learn gentoo once i set it up for him

[foggy frigate]

why does he want to use gentoo?

[remote lichen]

lol tbh mint is for ppl who doesnt use thier brain

[foggy frigate]

lemme just list the reasons for why gentoo isnt a good distro for new people, can you send this to him and see if he still wants to use it?

[remote lichen]

idk cause some of his friends uses it and they said its good so..

[remote lichen]

yea sure

[foggy frigate]

1, its much more complicated than other distros, you need to understand your system completely and are expected to debug everything yourself since it gives you all the tools to do so
2, there isnt as much support, and while the wiki is great and an absolute must have, its not perfect
3, its very DIY, if you dont already know what you want, you probably wont get very far. you choose your init system, your coreutils, your window server, every single app, your desktop environment, your compiler, your compilation flags, your USE flags, and even your kernel/kernel config. There is no default for any of these
4, it simply just takes a long time, its a giant time investment and generally not something you can just get started on and see if you like linux and that it fits your work flow.
5, you often will have issues that simply dont exist on certain distros because of how gentoo is completely user specific and you choose every single component

[foggy frigate]

its a good introduction
youd want to see an example of what you can do before you go in and build your own system
its also just nicer, while I personally wouldnt use linux mint, its perfect for many people
it ofc doesnt teach as much as installing arch and gentoo would, but its important to have a starting place

[remote lichen]

imma send it to him now, hope he changes his mind

[foggy frigate]

id also say that if youre on an old processor, gentoo is really frustrating and offers very little benefits
if youre on at least like a 2012+ year old processor youll be fine though (mine is from 2013)

[remote lichen]

nah hes using high end pc (gaming actully)

[foggy frigate]

anything before that wont have a lot of processor specific optimizations and the benefits of gentoo are mostly due to compile time optimization
since stuff is built specifically for your computer, they can be optimized very efficiently
if you use a binary based distro like archlinux, the packages are built for as wide support as possible which means they cant use any processor specific optimizations or anything introduced after like 2008

[remote lichen]

lol he changed his mind after sending him this...told me to install him arch manual way but wait lemme tell u his pc specs if it will run fine on arch
intel core i7-9700k
16gb ram 3200mhz
amd radeon rx 5700 xt

• if its gonna work fine...while installing the kernel it will install his gpu driver auto or do i need to install it manually ?
  +should i install grub or systemd-boot for him since hes new in linux?

[foggy frigate]

on amd you dont need to install any drivers

id also use grub just because its the most popular and what every guide online would be for

[remote lichen]

ah good

[foggy frigate]

you do need an xorg module for it though
xf86-video-amd

technically its not needed but like yeah

[remote lichen]

which de should i go for him so he can learn on it

DWM ? or xfce or kde

ik dwm is not de but just asking which 1 should i install for him

[foggy frigate]

xfce4

[remote lichen]

done installed arch for him

anyway uhm do u know what this kernel for ? https://github.com/torvalds/linux @foggy frigate

[foggy frigate]

is this a serious question, I cant tell

[remote lichen]

i mean what is it aiming for

[foggy frigate]

this is the original linux kernel

the one every other linux kernel is based off

[remote lichen]

ow

[foggy frigate]

linus torvalds is the creator linux and this is all of his work lol

its still updated, hes been working on it for like 30 years

[remote lichen]

i thought there are ppl who works on the kernel...not himself

[foggy frigate]

well yeah, its foss
it has thousands of contributors

but hes still working on it too

[remote lichen]

hmm alr...thats seems cool tbh that hes still working on it

[foggy frigate]

yeah

he also is the creator git btw

it was made specifically to maintain linux

[remote lichen]

wha ? fr ?

lol

[foggy frigate]

mhm

[remote lichen]

happy new year btw