[SOLVED] Unable to get NVIDIA to work on Arch | Arch Linux Community | Page 1

brisk lion Nov 28, 2022, 3:31 AM

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Hello, I've been struggling with this issue for several days and I don't know what to do anymore.

I have installed Arch with the mainline 6.0.10 kernel and the nvidia, nvidia-settings and lib32-nvidia-utils package like I always do.

The package installation doesn't return any error, regenerating the kernel image with the new drivers neither, regenerating the GRUB file neither.

But then, when it's time to reboot, and despite having both the loglevel=3 and quiet boot parameters disabled, the boot hangs at Triggering uevents....

I am unable to access a TTY, I am only able to chroot into the installation.

I tried installing the NVIDIA driver 470 from the AUR, knowing it supports my 3080 Ti, and got the same issue.

I also tried completely disabling Nouveau, chrooting, downloading the driver from NVIDIA's website and installing it using the run file. The installer builds the kernel modules but is unable to add them to the kernel because it says Nouveau is in the way despite it not being loaded or running at all.

I read other threads regarding NVIDIA in here but wasn't able to find any fix that worked.

My 3080 Ti used to work on 6.0 and NVIDIA 520 and now it doesn't anymore, and since I don't get any error I don't know what is happening. Manjaro works perfectly and doesn't hang on boot but I want Arch and not Manjaro.

Anyone else has that boot hanging issues and can provide help, please ?

The PC is a desktop.

errant sentinel Nov 28, 2022, 3:33 AM

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brisk lion Hello, I've been struggling with this issue for several days and I don't know wh...

What kernel do u use?

brisk lion Nov 28, 2022, 3:34 AM

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6.0.10, mainline, as stated in the post.

errant sentinel Nov 28, 2022, 3:34 AM

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Ah sorry didnt see that. Hmm.

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Did u try early loading the modules?

brisk lion Nov 28, 2022, 3:35 AM

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I always add the kernel modules to the MODULES line in mkinitcpio.conf.

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IDK what loading early is tho.

errant sentinel Nov 28, 2022, 3:35 AM

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Thats what i mean.

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Hmm

brisk lion Nov 28, 2022, 3:36 AM

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I also always have nvidia-drm.modeset=1 ibt=off

errant sentinel Nov 28, 2022, 3:36 AM

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Have u tried booting without those?

brisk lion Nov 28, 2022, 3:37 AM

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Yes, it still hangs but further.

errant sentinel Nov 28, 2022, 3:37 AM

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Hmm. What does it say on the screen when it hangs withiut the kernel parans

brisk lion Nov 28, 2022, 3:59 AM

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errant sentinel Hmm. What does it say on the screen when it hangs withiut the kernel parans

It pukes this shit

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And it's stuck there

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I read an older post on the Internet that it might be the contact with the PCIe bus that is bad and the driver unloads, but this makes no sense since Manjaro doesn't have that issue.

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I don't think the issue is on my end tbh, and since it won't get fixed anytime soon I'm gonna reinstall Manjaro on my second NVMe SSD until we figure it out, I haven't been able to use my PC for several days because of that NVIDIA BS

errant sentinel Nov 28, 2022, 2:07 PM

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brisk lion It pukes this shit

What modulses do u have in the MODULES array?

brisk lion Nov 28, 2022, 4:19 PM

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nvidia nvidia_modeset nvidia_uvm nvidia_drm as always and as I did on Manjaro which works, and as read in the Arch Wiki

errant sentinel Nov 28, 2022, 5:28 PM

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Try removing those for now, then mkinitcpio

thorny hatch Nov 29, 2022, 11:29 AM

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brisk lion It pukes this shit

Do you use btrfs on manjaro too?

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Also if its a matter of simply using the pc you can just use the intel drivers temporarily

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I’m pretty sure they still work on nvidia cards, just with a performance hit, but at least it should boot then

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But yeah make sure you’ve run mkinitcpio cause changing the modules does nothing until you run it

brisk lion Nov 29, 2022, 2:25 PM

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thorny hatch Do you use btrfs on manjaro too?

Yes with the same mount options

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And all the / in one partition with a /boot/efi partition and a swap

thorny hatch Nov 29, 2022, 8:41 PM

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Is there a biggerlogfile you can send us

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It looks like the important bit is getting cut off

brisk lion Dec 2, 2022, 6:19 PM

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I accidentally wiped the install with Manjaro by selecting the wrong drive, but I'll try reinstalling everything, knowing that NVIDIA 525 is now in the repos, and keep y'all updated.

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People on other servers told me the driver in the 520 package was broken and that's what caused issue

brisk lion Dec 2, 2022, 8:18 PM

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Also I forgot to mention that Nouveau isn't an option because games won't run on it, my GPU isn't compatible enough with Nouveau for this, games throw an error and exit

brisk lion Dec 3, 2022, 2:42 AM

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UPDATE: Same issue with driver 525

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Stuck at Triggering uevents...

brisk lion Dec 3, 2022, 2:48 AM

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thorny hatch Is there a biggerlogfile you can send us

I found these messages, IDK where the files from the logs are tho, I can only access the install through chroot

unkempt dome Dec 3, 2022, 3:07 AM

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@brisk lion have you tried booting from an alternate kernel such as the LTS kernel

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i'm curious to see if it'll do the same thing on LTS

brisk lion Dec 3, 2022, 3:08 AM

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I will try LTS, lemme reboot and chroot

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I have a i9-12900K tho

unkempt dome Dec 3, 2022, 3:09 AM

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wait

brisk lion Dec 3, 2022, 3:09 AM

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Is the LTS too old ?

unkempt dome Dec 3, 2022, 3:09 AM

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do you have linux-headers installed

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that might be part of the issue

brisk lion Dec 3, 2022, 3:09 AM

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Yes, I have installed Arch on NVIDIA several times before

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And I have the headers for the mainline

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I always installed Arch the same way but now it breaks because of signing error

unkempt dome Dec 3, 2022, 3:10 AM

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brisk lion Is the LTS too old ?

not really, generally it's a year old at most, the current is from earlier in 2022 i think

brisk lion Dec 3, 2022, 3:10 AM

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I will try it

unkempt dome Dec 3, 2022, 3:10 AM

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it might just be a bug with the current kernel

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looks like the issue might be if you're using a RAID device or encryption

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if the LTS doesn't help

brisk lion Dec 3, 2022, 3:11 AM

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The issue wasn't there on 6.0.7

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It appeared since 6.0.8

unkempt dome Dec 3, 2022, 3:11 AM

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hmm

brisk lion Dec 3, 2022, 3:11 AM

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NVIDIA 470 gives the same issue

unkempt dome Dec 3, 2022, 3:11 AM

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i'd just try using LTS for a bit then if that works stick with it and maybe try the stable kernel later on when there's hopefully a fix

brisk lion Dec 3, 2022, 3:12 AM

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unkempt dome i'd just try using LTS for a bit then if that works stick with it and maybe try ...

Also this issue isn't a thing on openSUSE

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Despite 6.0.8 and NVIDIA 525

unkempt dome Dec 3, 2022, 3:13 AM

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i think openSUSE and Arch have slightly different kernels even on the same version

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but yeah idk

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i'm actually on 6.0.10 currently and don't have the issue but i'm also on linux-zen not linux

brisk lion Dec 3, 2022, 3:13 AM

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linux is 6.0.10 too

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Same issue

unkempt dome Dec 3, 2022, 3:14 AM

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you could maybe try linux-zen but then you'd need to install nvidia-dkms instead of nvidia

brisk lion Dec 3, 2022, 3:14 AM

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I tried disabling kernel module signing at boot but it failed

unkempt dome Dec 3, 2022, 3:14 AM

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and also linux-zen-headers

brisk lion Dec 3, 2022, 3:14 AM

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I'd need to disable it and recompile the kernel

unkempt dome Dec 3, 2022, 3:14 AM

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you could use your bootable ISO then pacstrap

brisk lion Dec 3, 2022, 3:14 AM

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Nah I can just chroot

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And use pacman

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Also I need to mount all my subvolumes properly, which I know how to do

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The Zen kernel didn't work, the LTS either.

urban lily Dec 3, 2022, 4:41 AM

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ive had a similar issue, no kernel > 5.15.79 will work

brisk lion Dec 3, 2022, 2:46 PM

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urban lily ive had a similar issue, no kernel > 5.15.79 will work

6.0.8 did work

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And Manjaro on 6.0.8 does work, so I accuse Arch Linux's kernel of being the issue

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The only way for me to get it working would be to rebuild the kernel with custom settings disabling module signing

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So at this point better go back to Manjaro

brisk lion Dec 3, 2022, 3:45 PM

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I'm just gonna try signing the module manually OR make the kernel ignore its verification

errant sentinel Dec 3, 2022, 5:43 PM

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I think im getting this too after the latest nvidia driver update

brisk lion Dec 3, 2022, 5:49 PM

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errant sentinel I think im getting this too after the latest nvidia driver update

Yeah so we need to sign our driver

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However how do we do this ?

wild bone Dec 3, 2022, 5:51 PM

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i have the same issue as you

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guessing its just a kernel problem

errant sentinel Dec 3, 2022, 6:00 PM

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brisk lion Yeah so we need to sign our driver

Hmm.

brisk lion Dec 3, 2022, 6:05 PM

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wild bone guessing its just a kernel problem

They enabled kernel module signing enforcement in the kernel since a few updates

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It's not a problem, it was apparently intended

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However this is a pain because we need to either recompile the kernel without the signing enforcement option OR sign the kernel modules

wild bone Dec 3, 2022, 6:15 PM

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so how do we sign it

brisk lion Dec 3, 2022, 6:27 PM

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wild bone so how do we sign it

That's what I'm trying to figure out lol

wild bone Dec 3, 2022, 6:28 PM

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i mean i can wait a week or couple weeks for new kernel which will probably fix it

brisk lion Dec 3, 2022, 6:29 PM

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No

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It's not a bug

wild bone Dec 3, 2022, 6:29 PM

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so you have to do it manually?

brisk lion Dec 3, 2022, 6:29 PM

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NVIDIA is the issue

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Until NVIDIA signs their modules we need to sign them manually

wild bone Dec 3, 2022, 6:30 PM

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what about older drivers

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wouldnt those work just fine

brisk lion Dec 3, 2022, 6:30 PM

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Arch implemented kernel module signing enforcement for the kernel

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They don't because they are not signed

wild bone Dec 3, 2022, 6:30 PM

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what if you modify the source code of kernel?

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to allow you to sign

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the modules

brisk lion Dec 3, 2022, 6:31 PM

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You don't need that

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You can sign the modules yourself without recompiling the kernel, I just don't know HOW because we've never done it

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The other option is to compile the kernel manually with the Module signing enforcement disabled before compiling

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But compiling a kernel is a pain

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So we need to find out how to sign modules

wild bone Dec 3, 2022, 6:33 PM

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and theres no archwiki for this?

brisk lion Dec 3, 2022, 6:36 PM

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wild bone and theres no archwiki for this?

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Signed_kernel_modules

Signed kernel modules

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I don't understand a single thing tho, and that,s the issue

wild bone Dec 3, 2022, 6:38 PM

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im pretty certain thats modifying grub kernel parameters?

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idk i dont really understand that

brisk lion Dec 3, 2022, 6:38 PM

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Me neither

wild bone Dec 3, 2022, 6:41 PM

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https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.15/admin-guide/module-signing.html found this

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still dont understand anything lmao

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i mean how long could it take for nvidia driver engineers to sign the modules

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nouveau is really the only option for now ig

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unless someone knows how to sign kernel modules here

brisk lion Dec 3, 2022, 6:48 PM

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wild bone nouveau is really the only option for now ig

I installed openSUSE

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Nouveau is garbage on a RTX 3080 Ti

wild bone Dec 3, 2022, 6:49 PM

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brisk lion Nouveau is garbage on a RTX 3080 Ti

same for 2080

brisk lion Dec 3, 2022, 6:50 PM

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You try to launch a game and it fails

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Because of missing proprietary modules

wild bone Dec 3, 2022, 6:50 PM

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for me it literally just bricks arch if i install proprietary drivers

errant sentinel Dec 3, 2022, 6:53 PM

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Same.

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It booted without drivers working until i ran mkinitcpio, then my systen just bricks

errant sentinel Dec 3, 2022, 8:40 PM

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Nouveau works.

brisk lion Dec 3, 2022, 10:38 PM

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I'm trying to compile my kernel with the Kernel Module Signing Verification disabled, it seems to be working

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It shouldn't take that long with a i9-12900K and 64 GB of RAM

brisk lion Dec 3, 2022, 10:42 PM

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errant sentinel Nouveau works.

For me if I try launching a game with Nouveau it fails

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It complains about missing GPU libraries and all

errant sentinel Dec 3, 2022, 11:46 PM

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brisk lion For me if I try launching a game with Nouveau it fails

Yeah, I'm just saying Nouveau boots.

hollow quail Dec 4, 2022, 12:09 AM

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brisk lion I installed openSUSE

Are you still on openSUSE? TW I'm guessing?

errant sentinel Dec 4, 2022, 12:20 AM

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errant sentinel Try removing those for now, then mkinitcpio

@brisk lion did you ever try this?

brisk lion Dec 4, 2022, 12:52 AM

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hollow quail Are you still on openSUSE? TW I'm guessing?

I have a dual boot

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So yes

brisk lion Dec 4, 2022, 12:52 AM

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errant sentinel <@456226577798135808> did you ever try this?

It doesn't work, I tried long ago

brisk lion Dec 4, 2022, 1:14 AM

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The problem seems to be from the Arch kernel itself

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Manjaro works but Garuda doesn't. Knowing that Garuda uses the Arch repos and packages for the kernel and drivers (unlike Manjaro), it's normal to meet the same issue on Garuda

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You know what I'm just gonna use another distro until this issue gets fixed

brisk lion Dec 4, 2022, 4:08 AM

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Okay I had enough of this CIRCUS going on for 3 weeks, I switched back to Debian.

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NVIDIA installed without issue 🙂

brisk lion Dec 4, 2022, 7:43 AM

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Nope it ended up breaking

brisk lion Dec 4, 2022, 1:47 PM

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I'm gonna reinstall Manjaro, I guess

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It worked with NVIDIA

errant sentinel Dec 4, 2022, 2:16 PM

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brisk lion I'm *trying* to compile my kernel with the Kernel Module Signing Verification di...

Did this ever work?

brisk lion Dec 4, 2022, 2:16 PM

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errant sentinel Did this ever work?

No the kernel hangs on boot

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Exactly like when I tried Gentoo months ago

errant sentinel Dec 4, 2022, 2:17 PM

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brisk lion No the kernel hangs on boot

empty

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Why

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I just want to play games lol

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Did manjaro work?

brisk lion Dec 4, 2022, 2:18 PM

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I'm at work, but I'll try it later and tell you

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Normally it should work

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Since the Manjaro team would not push an update to kill the kernel

brisk lion Dec 4, 2022, 3:43 PM

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Manjaro uses custom repos, so it is sensible to think that the problem might not happen on Manjaro

errant sentinel Dec 4, 2022, 8:09 PM

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Yeah. Lmk please.

brisk lion Dec 4, 2022, 8:27 PM

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errant sentinel Yeah. Lmk please.

I'm still stuck at work but I'll let you know, yes

brisk lion Dec 4, 2022, 9:29 PM

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errant sentinel Yeah. Lmk please.

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It works

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I took this ISO: https://download.manjaro.org/kde/21.3.7/manjaro-kde-21.3.7-220816-linux515.iso

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The KDE version of Manjaro being the best imo, from past experiences

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Choose BTRFS at partitioning and you get system restore OOTB

brisk lion Dec 4, 2022, 10:19 PM

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errant sentinel I just want to play games lol

I will install Steam and Fall Guys on it after dinner, test it out and thel you if everything works.

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Fall Guys, my favorite game, being a good test since it's a Windows-only game which requires Proton, Easy Anti Cheat...

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The NVIDIA driver is preinstalled if you choose Boot with Proprietary drivers when launching the installation

NOTE: I am using the kernel 6.1 which is RC (I installed it) without issue

errant sentinel Dec 4, 2022, 10:46 PM

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Hmm interesting. Thanks. Maybe i will just downgrade my kernel for now.

brisk lion Dec 4, 2022, 11:26 PM

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Yeah you can try this and see if it works

brisk lion Dec 4, 2022, 11:45 PM

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Gaming works perfectly on my end

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So I can stop tinkering

errant sentinel Dec 5, 2022, 7:41 PM

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brisk lion The NVIDIA driver is preinstalled if you choose `Boot with Proprietary drivers` ...

Did 6.1 work on arch btw?

errant sentinel Dec 5, 2022, 8:24 PM

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LTS Kernel works perfectly for me :D

errant sentinel Dec 5, 2022, 8:47 PM

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@brisk lion u sure it didnt work for you? I used linux-lts + nvidia-lts

brisk lion Dec 5, 2022, 9:11 PM

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errant sentinel <@456226577798135808> u sure it didnt work for you? I used linux-lts + nvidia-lt...

I don't want 5.15

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I use Intel 12th gen

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And 12th gen's architecture only started being optimal since 5.18

brisk lion Dec 5, 2022, 9:12 PM

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errant sentinel Did 6.1 work on arch btw?

6.1 is in Release Candidate and not released yet on Arch, so I didn't test

errant sentinel Dec 5, 2022, 9:13 PM

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ah.

brisk lion Dec 5, 2022, 9:15 PM

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Putting a RC kernel in the stable repos is Manjaro's thing

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But 5.15 LTS on Ubuntu and Mint kernel panicked on my end after NVIDIA

snow finch Dec 5, 2022, 10:35 PM

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oh it's at the top

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okay

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didn't expect it up here sorry 😛

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so are you trying to get arch to work with it? and what have you tried so far?

brisk lion Dec 5, 2022, 10:36 PM

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Basically, the kernel, according to the logs, taints itself because the required key or signature in the nvidia module is missing

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I even tried the Zen kernel, fully reinstalling Arch, I didn't try LTS because I want 6.x, being on 12th gen

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But people tell me LTS fixes it ?!

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This issue, for some reason, doesn't affect Manjaro on kernel 6.1 and NVIDIA 520. It happens on Garuda and Endeavour, and on Arch

snow finch Dec 5, 2022, 10:38 PM

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what driver were you using?

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just nvidia? nvidia-open? nvidia-beta? nvidia-dkms?

brisk lion Dec 5, 2022, 10:40 PM

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nvidia

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I also tried nvidia-dkms

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And nvidia-beta

snow finch Dec 5, 2022, 10:41 PM

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Is this the same issue?
https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/515-76-broke-linux-3080ti/228954

NVIDIA Developer Forums

515.76 broke linux, 3080ti

Seems like there are some big issues with the latest nvidia driver. After updating to 515.76-1 on arch linux, the system now boots into a black screen after the bootloader text. In this black screen there is no way to change into a TTY. I’ve read a few reports and it seems like it happens to the 3000 series cards.

brisk lion Dec 5, 2022, 10:41 PM

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The issue occured on 520 and 525 on Arch

brisk lion Dec 5, 2022, 10:41 PM

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snow finch Is this the same issue? https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/515-76-broke-linux...

No

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My boot hangs at Triggering uevents..., not a black screen

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Uninstalling the driver and installing Nouveau fixes it

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But I tried gaming with Nouveau and the game would just not launch

snow finch Dec 5, 2022, 10:43 PM

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brisk lion But I tried gaming with Nouveau and the game would just not launch

yeah nouveau is sadly shit, though it's not their fault

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.s nvidia

hybrid narwhalBOT Dec 5, 2022, 10:44 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/linus-linus-torvalds-nvidia-fuck-you-gif-18053606

Tenor

snow finch Dec 5, 2022, 10:44 PM

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discord api moment, not allowing gifs

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it's a shame you didn't try nvidia-open

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if you try again try that

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probably won't be the answer but you never know:
https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/nvidia-open/

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could also be some shit that's simply sorted out in a few months

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by the way if manjaro DDOS the aur again the entire server's blaming you 😛

brisk lion Dec 5, 2022, 10:46 PM

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snow finch if you try again try that

I spent 3 weeks on that issue, now I have a working system, I don't want to run the risk and I'm tired of working on it 😭, I'll wait for now

brisk lion Dec 5, 2022, 10:46 PM

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snow finch by the way if manjaro DDOS the aur again the entire server's blaming you 😛

I don't use Pamac

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I use yay and pacman

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Pamac is the DDOS tool

snow finch Dec 5, 2022, 10:47 PM

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the aur and manjaro are honestly a bad idea, as far as you can, avoid the aur with manjaro

brisk lion Dec 5, 2022, 10:48 PM

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I don't want Flatpk and Snp so I use the AUR, but I never had issues with it even after months in the past

snow finch Dec 5, 2022, 10:49 PM

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brisk lion I don't want Flatp*k and Sn*p so I use the AUR, but I never had issues with it e...

the issues can be because manjaro has out of date repos and the aur often has packages that require up to date repos

brisk lion Dec 5, 2022, 10:49 PM

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Yes I am aware of this

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The only AUR packages I use so far are CLion, Spotify, MS Teams

snow finch Dec 5, 2022, 10:50 PM

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good, hopefully you're lucky with them

brisk lion Dec 5, 2022, 10:50 PM

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CLion which is my C++ IDE because I don't want VSCodium

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My school has a free license with JetBrains, so...

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Oh I have Protonup Qt from the AUR too

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I have a bunch of packages tbh

snow finch Dec 5, 2022, 10:57 PM

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did you try running sudo mkinitcpio -P after installing the driver?

brisk lion Dec 5, 2022, 11:09 PM

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Of course

snow finch Dec 5, 2022, 11:10 PM

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well shit, I'm pretty sure scanning this thread you tried the traditional fixes

brisk lion Dec 5, 2022, 11:10 PM

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I did

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I don't think the issue is on my end tbh

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As I have always installed NVIDIA without issue on Arch since I started using it in 2021

snow finch Dec 5, 2022, 11:12 PM

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oh it's massively nvidia moment

brisk lion Dec 5, 2022, 11:14 PM

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meme_linus

hollow quail Dec 5, 2022, 11:38 PM

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Damn

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Intel GPUs might be the way to go on Linux now tbh

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Even AMD cards are having problems and have been for months without a fix

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 12:09 AM

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hollow quail Even AMD cards are having problems and have been for months without a fix

It works tho on my end, at least

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With a RTX 3080 Ti

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And kernel 6.1

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However if I do the same on Arch it breaks

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And just doesn't boot

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But yeah that could take long to solve on the Arch side, as we've seen with the ATI drivers

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Maybe did kernel 6.1 fix the issue ?

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Knowing I upgraded from 5.15 LTS to 6.1-rc Mainline

wild bone Dec 6, 2022, 3:46 AM

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ngl I hope Nvidia fixes this problem quickly since Microshit windows 11 keeps dying for no reason and I either have to restore point or reinstall fully windows 11

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 6:49 AM

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Hey, whats the actual problem here?

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I got 3080 on arch, 0 problems

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 6:50 AM

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brisk lion However if I do the same on Arch it breaks

Latest kernel works for me

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 6:51 AM

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snow finch did you try running `sudo mkinitcpio -P` after installing the driver?

Its supposed to be 'sudo mkinitcpio -P linux' ? I always did it like this

snow finch Dec 6, 2022, 9:37 AM

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nimble epoch I got 3080 on arch, 0 problems

There’s is a TI

snow finch Dec 6, 2022, 9:37 AM

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nimble epoch Its supposed to be 'sudo mkinitcpio -P linux' ? I always did it like this

I think can you can do either can’t you?

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https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/zdjswy/freshly_installed_arch_wont_boot_up_with_nvidia/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

This you OP? If not it’s not just you

r/archlinux - Freshly installed Arch won't boot up with nvidia driv...

0 votes and 4 comments so far on Reddit

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 9:48 AM

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snow finch I think can you can do either can’t you?

Idk, ima linux noob. I follow what the wiki says and anything else is heresy, for now trollface

wild bone Dec 6, 2022, 3:02 PM

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nimble epoch I got 3080 on arch, 0 problems

which kernel ver?

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 3:11 PM

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wild bone which kernel ver?

Latest (as of yesterday)

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Nonlts

wild bone Dec 6, 2022, 3:13 PM

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so linux-zen etc. or vanilla linux kernel

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?

errant sentinel Dec 6, 2022, 3:13 PM

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For me lts works perfectly

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zen doesnt

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idk about vanilla

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 3:14 PM

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I can't use LTS

wild bone Dec 6, 2022, 3:14 PM

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so vanilla still doesnt work with proprietary drivers?

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 3:16 PM

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Nope

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With 6.1 on Manjaro it works

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But I don't think Arch has 6.1 available yet

wild bone Dec 6, 2022, 3:17 PM

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yeah i think its still 6.0.11

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 3:18 PM

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Why are they so slow with the kernel omg

wild bone Dec 6, 2022, 3:18 PM

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idk but ive heard its just 1 dude updating most packages

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 3:19 PM

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Why not put a linux-rc package in the repos

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6.1 is not in the AUR either

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Unless it's been updated yesterday

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linux-git is out of date in the AUR

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5.10-rc2

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And I said 5 and not 6, so it's very outdated

wild bone Dec 6, 2022, 3:21 PM

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intresting

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 3:28 PM

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Now that I think about it I did try 6.1 on Arch using Manjaro's build of the kernel

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It didn't fix the issue

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While the exact same package on Manjaro, exact same damn kernel

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Works

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 4:03 PM

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wild bone so linux-zen etc. or vanilla linux kernel

vanilla

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wild bone Dec 6, 2022, 4:04 PM

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nimble epoch

thats 6.0.11

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uhh

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your using proprietary?

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 4:05 PM

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wild bone your using proprietary?

yup, nvidia package

wild bone Dec 6, 2022, 4:06 PM

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so i guess maybe nvidia signed it now

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 4:07 PM

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what difference does it make?

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 4:10 PM

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nimble epoch what difference does it make?

His system boots

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When it didn't

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 4:13 PM

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because his kernel doesnt allow signed modules or something?

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 4:43 PM

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It doesn't allow unsigned anymore

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For some reason Manjaro's NVIDIA packages seem to be signed

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Because on Manjaro 6.1 there's no issue but if I install Manjaro's 6.1 in Arch the kernel still complains, so I would think it's the NVIDIA in the Arch packages that is unsigned

snow finch Dec 6, 2022, 5:04 PM

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What I don’t understand is why so few people appear affected by this

errant sentinel Dec 6, 2022, 5:21 PM

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Mine was fixed by switching to linux-lts

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 8:40 PM

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snow finch What I don’t understand is why so few people appear affected by this

I think this affects custrom kernels only

snow finch Dec 6, 2022, 8:41 PM

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nimble epoch I think this affects custrom kernels only

Arzo tried on both mainline and zen

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 8:43 PM

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snow finch Arzo tried on both mainline and zen

Mainline?

snow finch Dec 6, 2022, 8:45 PM

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nimble epoch Mainline?

The Linux package

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 8:46 PM

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snow finch The Linux package

Does this have to do anything with secureboot?

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I mean this issue*

snow finch Dec 6, 2022, 8:46 PM

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nimble epoch Does this have to do anything with secureboot?

I mean I’m going by your reply above…

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 8:47 PM

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snow finch I mean I’m going by your reply above…

I meant the issue with signed/unsigned drivers

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Because i disabled secureboot on my install (havent tried to setup it yet)

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And nvidia works for me

granite flare Dec 6, 2022, 8:48 PM

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arch doesn't support secure boot by default

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 8:49 PM

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granite flare arch doesn't support secure boot by default

Well thats why i disabled it harold1

snow finch Dec 6, 2022, 8:49 PM

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granite flare arch doesn't support secure boot by default

That saves me googling on my phone because that’s what I thought, thanks

hollow treeBOT Dec 6, 2022, 8:49 PM

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Me Derp received a thank you cookie!

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 8:52 PM

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Lemme read this thread again

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 8:56 PM

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My secure boot is off

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 8:56 PM

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To be fair, i dont understand what is the problem. It does work for me a usual

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 8:57 PM

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I'm on Memejaro now and don't have this issue, what a meme

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 8:57 PM

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what is the actual reaction when you try to boot? It hangs apparently, have you waited for a moment?

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Nvidia apparently can hang on boot iirc (arch wiki has a fix for that iirc)

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 8:58 PM

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On my RTX 3060 Intel laptop

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I installed Fedora KDE today

snow finch Dec 6, 2022, 8:58 PM

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brisk lion It pukes this shit

Think it’s this

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 8:58 PM

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And the driver installed, same driver, same kernel, without any issue

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 8:59 PM

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snow finch Think it’s this

That was without ibt=off

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When for the driver to work you should need ibt=off

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 8:59 PM

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brisk lion When for the driver to work you should need ibt=off

Where?

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I never did that

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 9:00 PM

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In /etc/default/grub

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Since 5.18

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 9:00 PM

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brisk lion In /etc/default/grub

In grub.cfg?

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 9:00 PM

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Otherwise it hangs on boot

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 9:00 PM

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brisk lion In /etc/default/grub

No, there

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In the boot parameters

snow finch Dec 6, 2022, 9:01 PM

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nimble epoch In grub.cfg?

Grub-mkconfig makes the cfg in part based on what’s in /etc/default/grub

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 9:01 PM

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I dont have it

snow finch Dec 6, 2022, 9:01 PM

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nimble epoch I dont have it

What, grub?

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 9:01 PM

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snow finch What, grub?

ibt=off

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 9:02 PM

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Even on Fedora I need this parameter

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On my NVIDIA RTX 30 devices

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 9:02 PM

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I have 3080

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All i have in boot params is quiet loglevel 3 and nvidia drm

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 9:03 PM

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I removed quiet

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 9:03 PM

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Well that shouldnt matter its just for displaying logs, i guess?

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 9:03 PM

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Exactly

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 9:03 PM

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So yeah

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No ibt needed

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Arch, latest kernel, 3080

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So.. are you sure you followed arch wiki with nvidia install?

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 9:04 PM

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For me since 5.18 I need ibt=off

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 9:04 PM

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brisk lion For me since 5.18 I need ibt=off

What does this do btw?

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ibt

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 9:05 PM

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It solves the problem with NVIDIA hanging

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 9:05 PM

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Ohhh

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 9:05 PM

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If it happens

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 9:05 PM

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Its cpu thing.

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i dont need it because i have amd cpu

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 9:06 PM

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I have Intel

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i9-12900K on desktop and i7-11800H on laptop and they both need ibt=off

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 9:07 PM

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brisk lion i9-12900K on desktop and i7-11800H on laptop and they both need `ibt=off`

Yes, but this is because of intel

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No need for that on amd cpu

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 9:07 PM

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Yeah you're on AMD you don't need it

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My Arch laptop is AMD and doesn't need that

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 9:08 PM

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Although.. on my xps 15 with 6th gen intel

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It worked as well

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 9:08 PM

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It needs the amdgpu.ko kernel module tho

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 9:08 PM

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Hm.. do i have latest microcode tho

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 9:09 PM

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For it's Vega iGPU

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 9:09 PM

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brisk lion It needs the `amdgpu.ko` kernel module tho

I dont have igpu on pc thats why

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 9:09 PM

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My other laptop has the Intel iGPU off

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 9:09 PM

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@brisk lion maybe your issue is cpu related?

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Do you have intel ucode installed and in boot?

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 9:10 PM

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Yes

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 9:10 PM

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Remove it and see if it boots? trollface

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 9:11 PM

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My PC isn't on Arch anymore

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 9:11 PM

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Oh well

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Either way. I dont think this is related to nvidia much.

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 9:12 PM

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It's been on Manjaro for 3 days

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On 6.1-rc kernel

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With NVIDIA 520

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 9:13 PM

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Do you have intel microcode there tho?

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 9:15 PM

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Yes

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 9:15 PM

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It may be arch only issue maybe?

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 9:16 PM

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That's what I think

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But people think it's on my end

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Manjaro build their own packages and kernels, so it's totally possible for them to be unaffected

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 9:18 PM

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brisk lion But people think it's on my end

I will boot my xps with 6th gen intel i guess and update it (havent tried that in month+ to test if it breaks) so lets test trollface

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Last time i had it, no ibt needed

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To make 960m onboard work

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But i dont use it as primary gpu

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Idk if that matters

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 9:19 PM

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I use my laptop's NVIDIA as only active GPU

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And require ibt=off

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 9:20 PM

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Does this matter here? It shouldnt

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 9:20 PM

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But Fedora works without issue rn on 6.0.11 and 520

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 9:21 PM

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nimble epoch Does this matter here? It shouldnt

It has Intel

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 9:22 PM

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brisk lion It has Intel

But if issue is there nvidia will not work as offload gpu

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Right?

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 9:22 PM

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Yes

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But the issue is not there with the parameter

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So NVIDIA is used

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 9:23 PM

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Anyway.. brb. Ima boot it, update it. And we will see.

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 9:25 PM

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nimble epoch Anyway.. brb. Ima boot it, update it. And we will see.

Screenshot_2022-12-06-16-25-24-105-edit_org.mozilla.fenix.jpg

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I have a 11th Gen and a 12th Gen

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So they both support IBT which must be disabled for NVIDIA to work

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The issue only affects Intel 11th Gen and newer

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And since 5.18

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 9:36 PM

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alright

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so:

new intel issue not ibt-related
ibt=off stopped working

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anyway, booted my arch

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on xps

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lets goooo

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@brisk lion is there a way to check if ibt is truely off?

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also jesus 196 updates.. this will take a while

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its done, no errors trollface

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 9:46 PM

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nimble epoch so: 1. new intel issue not ibt-related 2. ibt=off stopped working

Exactly

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 9:47 PM

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nimble epoch <@456226577798135808> is there a way to check if ibt is truely off?

I have no idea

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 9:48 PM

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so.. it works no problem...

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 9:48 PM

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But the log isn't the same with and without ibt=off

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 9:51 PM

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brisk lion But the log isn't the same with and without ibt=off

can you do lscpu and screenshot?

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apparently nvidia-open should work with ibt=on

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 10:08 PM

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nimble epoch can you do lscpu and screenshot?

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 10:09 PM

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found no way to check that ibt is indeed off..

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but, apparently nvidia-open works with ibt=on

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 10:11 PM

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Still, on Fedora there's no issue of hanging on boot at Triggering uevents...

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 10:12 PM

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is it using nvidia prop driver? or the open one?

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 10:12 PM

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Proprietary

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nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 10:15 PM

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if you install arch again i might help, but since you removed it no way to check

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 10:17 PM

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nimble epoch if you install arch again i might help, but since you removed it no way to check

I will reinstall it on the other SSD this evening and check

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I'll use ext4 to try it tho because it's faster to mount in case of a chroot

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And then when we get it to work I'll redo my BTRFS install

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 10:18 PM

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brisk lion I'll use ext4 to try it tho because it's faster to mount in case of a chroot

faster? i havent noticed

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 10:19 PM

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nimble epoch faster? i havent noticed

I mean when I use BTFRS subvolumes I have 3 long commands just to mount the / partition

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With ext4 I just do mount /dev/nvme1n1p3 /mnt

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And it mounts the / partition

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 10:21 PM

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brisk lion I mean when I use BTFRS subvolumes I have 3 long commands just to mount the / pa...

i dont so its the same trollface

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 10:22 PM

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/dev/nvme0n1p1  /boot/efi  512 MB  FAT16
/dev/nvme0n1p2  swap       2048 MB  
/dev/nvme0n1p3  /          Rest    ext4

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That I will apply for the testing and troubleshooting install

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Usually I do the same but replace ext4 with btrfs and create the @, @home and @var subvolumes inside the root partition

nimble epoch Dec 6, 2022, 10:37 PM

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brisk lion Usually I do the same but replace ext4 with btrfs and create the `@`, `@home` an...

i see no point of doing that tbh

brisk lion Dec 6, 2022, 10:53 PM

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Timeshift snapshots

brisk lion Dec 9, 2022, 7:28 PM

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Okay since I got time to come back to the issue today, I am going to retry a clean install of the Arch and see if the NVIDIA issue is fixed.

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BTW this is the list of commands I run that lead to the system hanging at Triggering uevents.

Please note that it's always that way that I install Arch and NVIDIA, and I usually never got that hang on boot issue until recently.

These are the commands I run until the NVIDIA reboot to install Arch Linux

📎 archinstall.txt

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Also note that I have the exact same correct NVIDIA configuration on the working Manjaro install

brisk lion Dec 9, 2022, 7:40 PM

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brisk lion BTW this is the list of commands I run that lead to the system hanging at `Trigg...

So I'll retry an install of Arch using my usual commands when I get home and will see if the issue got fixed

snow finch Dec 9, 2022, 7:55 PM

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have you tried it without editing mkinitcpio?

brisk lion Dec 9, 2022, 8:00 PM

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Yes, it still won't boot with the same issue

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However I haven't touched that issue in a few days, so I'll reinstall using my usual method and see if it's fixed, then resume on troubleshooting the issue.

wild bone Dec 9, 2022, 8:02 PM

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did arch not get 6.1 kernel still?

snow finch Dec 9, 2022, 8:04 PM

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wild bone did arch not get 6.1 kernel still?

no but there are updates to systemd and mkinitcpio, which systemd updated earlier today already, so I guess they're likely bug fixing

wild bone Dec 9, 2022, 8:05 PM

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i guess

wild bone Dec 9, 2022, 8:06 PM

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brisk lion BTW this is the list of commands I run that lead to the system hanging at `Trigg...

what if you install nvidia drivers while in chroot still probably changes nothing though

brisk lion Dec 9, 2022, 8:10 PM

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wild bone what if you install nvidia drivers while in chroot still probably changes nothin...

I can try that when I install it at home later

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But yeah I don't think it will change anything

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Also I can assure the boot hanging doesn't come from this partitioning, since removing the NVIDIA driver reallows the system to boot

wild bone Dec 9, 2022, 8:15 PM

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oh wait your doing btrfs

brisk lion Dec 9, 2022, 8:18 PM

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wild bone oh wait your doing btrfs

I set up the BTRFS subvolumes because these are required to have Timeshift snapshots and GRUB snapshot menu working

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This later to install Timeshift and Pacman's snapshot hook - Timeshift requires at least the @ subvolume to work properly

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But as I said my boot issue isn't linked to the partitioning and mount points since it works without NVIDIA

wild bone Dec 9, 2022, 8:23 PM

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yeah i guess

granite flare Dec 9, 2022, 8:41 PM

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brisk lion BTW this is the list of commands I run that lead to the system hanging at `Trigg...

You could try disabling the nvidia-suspend service and see if that helps

brisk lion Dec 9, 2022, 9:00 PM

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We tried it too

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pacstrap /mnt base linux linux-{headers,firmware} base-devel pacman-contrib man-{db,pages,pages-fr} texinfo btrfs-progs systemd-sysvcompat intel-ucode
pacstrap /mnt zip unzip p7zip vim mc alsa-utils syslog-ng mtools dosfstools lsb-release exfatprogs bash-completion ntp cronie zsh nvidia nvidia-utils nvidia-settings lib32-nvidia-utils
``` Maybe passing it while installing the base system ?

snow finch Dec 9, 2022, 9:04 PM

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Why do you need Ntfs-3g?

brisk lion Dec 9, 2022, 9:04 PM

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Oh I can remove it, NTFS is in the kernel now

snow finch Dec 9, 2022, 9:05 PM

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Have you tried nvidia-open?

brisk lion Dec 9, 2022, 9:05 PM

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No, should I try it ?

wild bone Dec 9, 2022, 9:09 PM

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i have tried it like 2 weeks ago it dint work

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might work now?

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but that also was with 495 drivers i think

brisk lion Dec 9, 2022, 9:10 PM

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I haven't tried normal NVIDIA in two weeks

wild bone Dec 9, 2022, 9:11 PM

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nvidia nvidia-utils nvidia-settings lib32-nvidia-utils is this not normal?

brisk lion Dec 9, 2022, 9:12 PM

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It installs 32 and 64 bit versions of NVIDIA

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32 bit required by Steam

wild bone Dec 9, 2022, 9:12 PM

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that still should be fine then

brisk lion Dec 9, 2022, 9:16 PM

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lib32-nvidia-utils being a dependency for Steam and other 32 bit apps

snow finch Dec 9, 2022, 9:18 PM

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wild bone i have tried it like 2 weeks ago it dint work

I thought you tried beta two weeks ago?

wild bone Dec 9, 2022, 9:53 PM

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snow finch I thought you tried beta two weeks ago?

wdym

brisk lion Dec 9, 2022, 9:54 PM

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I'm getting the Arch ISO

brisk lion Dec 9, 2022, 10:38 PM

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Reinstalling with the drivers without the kernel modules in the mkinitcpio.conf doesn't change anything, the boot hangs at Triggering uevents...

brisk lion Dec 10, 2022, 2:08 AM

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I have chrooted into Arch from Manjaro's terminal (yes you can do that if you install the arch-install-scripts package), and checked the log

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The log doesn't seem helpful at all

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Module license taints kernel, how tf do I ignore the license

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brisk lion Dec 10, 2022, 3:37 PM

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brisk lion Hello, I've been struggling with this issue for several days and I don't know wh...

Anything in dmesg or journal?

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its as far as i can tell, a kernel issue.

brisk lion Dec 10, 2022, 3:39 PM

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brisk lion Anything in dmesg or journal?

I'm at work rn, but yeah once I get home later I can check

brisk lion Dec 10, 2022, 3:39 PM

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brisk lion

I found this issue in the journal, IDK if it's related

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Low res, cant read

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My screen is 1080p, there's no way I can make that bigger

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First thing's first, i can see a tainted kernel error

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The journal complains that the NVIDIA modules are not signed

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Which makes no sense since secure boot is DISABLED

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The kernel shouldn't block itself over an unsigned module

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Arch has never blocked over my NVIDIA drivers until a few weeks ago

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The kernel usually errors like that when you try to load a prop driver

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Could you export the logs to something like pastebin or smthn

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... paste

hybrid narwhalBOT Dec 10, 2022, 3:45 PM

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brisk lion ... paste

Note paste was not found.

brisk lion Dec 10, 2022, 3:45 PM

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Fuck you

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... pastebin

hybrid narwhalBOT Dec 10, 2022, 3:45 PM

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brisk lion ... pastebin

Note pastebin was not found.

brisk lion Dec 10, 2022, 3:45 PM

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LOL

brisk lion Dec 10, 2022, 3:46 PM

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brisk lion The kernel usually errors like that when you try to load a prop driver

Yes but why would it block at Triggering uevents... when Manjaro with the same kernel, NVIDIA driver and driver configuration doesn't ? Note that this issue also occurs on Endeavour and Garuda

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Also yes when I get home I'll export the logs and share them

brisk lion Dec 10, 2022, 3:46 PM

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brisk lion Yes but why would it block at `Triggering uevents...` when Manjaro with the same...

They use linux yes, but manjaro uses a customized and tweaked versiom

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No two kernels are ever the same.

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Okay, but I didn't ask for Arch to enforce module licenses ?!

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Nor signature

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It used to not do it

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Thats the kernel default behaviour 😛

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It didn't do that on 5.16 on Arch with NVIDIA

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It isnt supposed to happen, try installing the same drivers but from nvidia website

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I tried and the driver just won't install

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Why not

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NVIDIA complains about Nouveau while Nouveau is not installed. I blacklisted it, then try rerunning the installer which fails with an unknown error

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Also tried doing a full reinstall of Arch Linux to run into the same issue again, I tried the LTS kernel with nvidia-lts, the zen kernel with nvidia-dkms... All the same thing

errant sentinel Dec 10, 2022, 3:50 PM

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brisk lion NVIDIA complains about Nouveau while Nouveau is not installed. I blacklisted it,...

Nouveau is installed by default iirc

brisk lion Dec 10, 2022, 3:50 PM

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The .run installer?

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Yes

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Everytime I tried running that NVIDIA .run shit on every distro it never succeeded

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Also the Arch wiki said to NOT use that

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Idgaf about what arch wiki says

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What did it error about

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Give me the exact error

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That was like 2 weeks ago

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And I don't have access to the system rn. But it said that the kernel modules failed to compile, iirc

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Despite linux-headers, required for kernel module compilation, being installed

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The most extreme cases, you can try to configure your own kernel with the drivers built in and noveau disabled

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It seems to be a problem on nvidia's side. There are so many reports on their forums.

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Even gentoo masked their version and made the newer one opt in

brisk lion Dec 10, 2022, 3:59 PM

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brisk lion The most extreme cases, you can try to configure your own kernel with the driver...

I could try that

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But you can't deny the fact that Manjaro fixed that issue already trolled

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Did they though

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Is it the same version

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Yes

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Driver 525 on kernel 6.1

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6.1????

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Yes I installed the experimental kernel

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How are you using an unreleased kernel

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Uh, fhaf makes a difference in serup environments

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My english died

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Try rc candid's on both.

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Kernel 6.1 releases tommorrow if i have the dates right

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Ok yep confirmed tommorrow

brisk lion Dec 10, 2022, 4:03 PM

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brisk lion How are you using an unreleased kernel

Manjaro always put the RC kernel in its stable repos as opt-in

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Unless torvalds goes hyper and gets rc9

brisk lion Dec 10, 2022, 4:04 PM

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brisk lion Manjaro always put the RC kernel in its stable repos as opt-in

Nice, like that about manjaro.

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But 5.15 LTS on Arch gives me the issue

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5.15 on Manjaro doesn't

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Which makes me think a kernel tweak has been made somewhere

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kernel differences yep.

brisk lion Dec 10, 2022, 4:05 PM

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brisk lion Nice, like that about manjaro.

Yes, it allows people to test the kernel early without having to compiling it

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I've been on 6.1 for 5 days already and haven't got any issue

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https://gitlab.manjaro.org/packages/core/linux60

GitLab

Packages / Core / linux60 · GitLab

Kernel v6.0 series with modules

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Here ya go.

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Mfs compile with gcc 😭

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That is the patches they use and the config file contains their config options

brisk lion Dec 10, 2022, 4:15 PM

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brisk lion https://gitlab.manjaro.org/packages/core/linux60

Important thing to note, I tried installing Manjaro's 6.1 kernel on Arch and it still killed itself at the exact same step on NVIDIA

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It works with Nouveau, but not with NVIDIA

brisk lion Dec 28, 2022, 7:03 PM

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UPDATE: I tried installing a custom kernel and the NVIDIA driver for it, to see if it could fix the issue.

It did not fix the issue. I even tried without early loading the modules, and without the nvidia-drm.modeset=1 ibt=off boot parameters and it's always the same issue, stuck at Triggering uevents...

I even tried the simplest thing possible, just installing the mainline kernel and NVIDIA driver from Arch's repos, and it still fails. Zen still fails too.

nimble epoch Dec 28, 2022, 7:05 PM

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Can we go back, are you on arch? What happens?

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Fresh install?

brisk lion Dec 28, 2022, 7:18 PM

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nimble epoch Fresh install?

Yes

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I remade a fresh install again

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And installed the NVIDIA driver according to the Arch Wiki again

nimble epoch Dec 28, 2022, 7:18 PM

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brisk lion Yes

So.. fresh install. Any de installed?

brisk lion Dec 28, 2022, 7:19 PM

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No

nimble epoch Dec 28, 2022, 7:19 PM

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So you get no tty after boot?

brisk lion Dec 28, 2022, 7:19 PM

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The quiet is disabled so I can see the boot.

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The boot hangs at the hooks of the kernel before booting the system

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At Triggering uevents

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If I uninstall the driver, or boot with nomodeset, the system boots normally

nimble epoch Dec 28, 2022, 7:21 PM

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Can you show me mkinitcpio.conf file? All of it?

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Also driver is what? What packages?

brisk lion Dec 28, 2022, 7:22 PM

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The following drivers have been tried: 515, 520, 470, 525
The following kernels have been tried: 5.15 LTS,6.0.9,6.0.10,6.0.11,6.0.12,6.1.0,6.1.1,6.2

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I've been getting this issue since kernel 6.0.9

nimble epoch Dec 28, 2022, 7:22 PM

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Latest driver, but what packages have you installed for nvidia?

brisk lion Dec 28, 2022, 7:23 PM

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nvidia and nvidia-dkms have been tried. nvidia-lts on the LTS kernel.

Kernel headers for the respective kernels are installed

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Everything we have tried since the beggining of this thread still fails, and this thread's initial post is still valid

nimble epoch Dec 28, 2022, 7:23 PM

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Send content of mkinitcpio.conf file, ill brb

brisk lion Dec 28, 2022, 7:24 PM

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I'll boot into Manjaro which is on nvme0n1 and send the broken Arch's mkinitcpio.conf, Arch being on nvme1n1

nimble epoch Dec 28, 2022, 7:24 PM

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empty ok

brisk lion Dec 28, 2022, 7:24 PM

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Because Manjaro never had issues with the driver

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Curiously

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Same kernel and driver version

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6.2 and 525

brisk lion Dec 28, 2022, 7:27 PM

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nimble epoch <:empty:904500974767452192> ok

📎 mkinitcpio.conf

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There is nothing in MODULES, but I also tried with nvidia nvidia_modeset nvidia_uvm nvidia_drm, since the Arch wiki says it can fix issues, and since it's what I always do, but it didn't help

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I have chrooted into the install from Manjaro for easier troubleshooting

nimble epoch Dec 28, 2022, 7:40 PM

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brisk lion

i see some extra hooks?

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change HOOKS to HOOKS=(base udev autodetect modconf block filesystems keyboard fsck)
MODULES to MODULES=( nvidia nvidia_modeset nvidia_uvm nvidia_drm ) and rebuild it, show output of rebuild pls

brisk lion Dec 28, 2022, 7:49 PM

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I will do it and show you but I already know it's gonna fail.

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Since I already tried these MODULES in each kernel I tried

brisk lion Dec 28, 2022, 7:53 PM

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nimble epoch change HOOKS to `HOOKS=(base udev autodetect modconf block filesystems keyboard ...

There is no error

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I will rebuild it for 6.1.1 too

nimble epoch Dec 28, 2022, 7:54 PM

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ok

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try to boot

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i guess

brisk lion Dec 28, 2022, 7:54 PM

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6.1 return an error

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But I use 6.2

nimble epoch Dec 28, 2022, 7:54 PM

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show

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im not sure 6.2 works, never tried it.

brisk lion Dec 28, 2022, 7:55 PM

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6.2 works

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Lemme unmount the Arch and try booting it

nimble epoch Dec 28, 2022, 7:55 PM

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brisk lion 6.1 return an error

can you show the error?

brisk lion Dec 28, 2022, 7:56 PM

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No need to, I can just tell you that it only complains about all the modules we added to be unexistent

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While they are found for 6.2

nimble epoch Dec 28, 2022, 7:56 PM

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brisk lion No need to, I can just tell you that it only complains about all the modules we ...

that shouldnt happen

brisk lion Dec 28, 2022, 7:59 PM

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I know lol, I'm an advanced user

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I've been using Arch for a year, and researching the issue for 3 weeks

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It worked perfectly fine until the update to 6.0.9

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I forgot to regenerate GRUB so I have to re-chroot because it doesn't see 6.2

nimble epoch Dec 28, 2022, 8:02 PM

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idk what that locale error means tbh

brisk lion Dec 28, 2022, 8:08 PM

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I always get it, it's linked to the locale and not NVIDIA.

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The system now boots further but hangs forther

nimble epoch Dec 28, 2022, 8:08 PM

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cant for a moment, hangs on what?

brisk lion Dec 28, 2022, 8:09 PM

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Finished Filesystem check on (a disk and its uuid)

nimble epoch Dec 28, 2022, 8:10 PM

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huh

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whats your cmdline for grub?

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@brisk lion

brisk lion Dec 28, 2022, 8:20 PM

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nimble epoch whats your cmdline for grub?

loglevel=3 nvidia-drm.modeset=1 ibt=off

Also don't ask me to remove ibt=off, I have tried, it failed and it will always fail because it is required on 5.18+ and 12th gen Intel.

nimble epoch Dec 28, 2022, 8:21 PM

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brisk lion `loglevel=3 nvidia-drm.modeset=1 ibt=off` Also don't ask me to remove ibt=off, ...

i remember

brisk lion Dec 28, 2022, 8:21 PM

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I have to go for a walk, I will explode from anger of fiddling around for 3 weeks. I will be back later

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nvidia-drm.modeset=1, I've tried omitting it too

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Same hang at the same place since the issue is not related to this boot parameter

nimble epoch Dec 28, 2022, 8:23 PM

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brisk lion `loglevel=3 nvidia-drm.modeset=1 ibt=off` Also don't ask me to remove ibt=off, ...

actually i suggest going loglevel=6 nvidia-drm.modeset=1 ibt=off and seeing where it hangs

brisk lion Dec 28, 2022, 8:33 PM

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nimble epoch actually i suggest going `loglevel=6 nvidia-drm.modeset=1 ibt=off` and seeing wh...

Thanks, I'll do that once I get home

hollow treeBOT Dec 28, 2022, 8:33 PM

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Wayland enjoyer&&I use Win11BTW received a thank you cookie!

brisk lion Dec 28, 2022, 8:33 PM

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Thank you for the help

nimble epoch Dec 28, 2022, 8:33 PM

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np

brisk lion Dec 28, 2022, 10:18 PM

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nimble epoch actually i suggest going `loglevel=6 nvidia-drm.modeset=1 ibt=off` and seeing wh...

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BRUH

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Reboot and now it works

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I can now replace Manjaro with Arch after dinner

nimble epoch Dec 28, 2022, 10:27 PM

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show errors from journal tho

brisk lion Dec 28, 2022, 10:27 PM

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Yeah I will eat dinner and then go to it.

brisk lion Dec 28, 2022, 10:28 PM

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brisk lion Reboot and now it works

Important to note that this kernel is a custom kernel tho, and the ones I've been using the past three weeks were stock.

I also implemented BTRFS built-in since I use BTRFS

nimble epoch Dec 28, 2022, 10:28 PM

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brisk lion Important to note that this kernel is a custom kernel tho, and the ones I've bee...

i use btrfs as well

brisk lion Dec 28, 2022, 10:28 PM

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But your help with the hooks fixed it

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I wasn't the one who added the extra hooks

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IDK why they appeared

nimble epoch Dec 28, 2022, 10:29 PM

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dont ask me lol

brisk lion Dec 28, 2022, 10:29 PM

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Technically I don't need ntfs-3g and btrfs-progs

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Since I put both built-in in the kernel

granite flare Dec 28, 2022, 10:33 PM

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brisk lion Important to note that this kernel is a custom kernel tho, and the ones I've bee...

you're using nvidia-dkms, right?

brisk lion Dec 28, 2022, 10:33 PM

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Unable to use the keyboard, I reboot, it kills itself again

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I'll have to check the logs, I think it's the same peoprietary error

snow finch Dec 28, 2022, 10:33 PM

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brisk lion UPDATE: I tried installing a custom kernel and the NVIDIA driver for it, to see ...

Custom kernels don’t work with nvidia, you’d need nvidia-dkms

brisk lion Dec 28, 2022, 10:34 PM

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granite flare you're using `nvidia-dkms`, right?

Yes, the DKMS driver

snow finch Dec 28, 2022, 10:34 PM

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Nice timing

nimble epoch Dec 28, 2022, 10:34 PM

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brisk lion I'll have to check the logs, I think it's the same peoprietary error

there was an article about nvidia and usb, forgot what was the fix

brisk lion Dec 28, 2022, 10:39 PM

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I forgot to mention, if it can help, that I have, installed, the custom headers for the custom kernel

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Since the headers are required to build kernel modules

brisk lion Dec 29, 2022, 12:28 AM

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Okay, so the boot logs complain that the kernel taints itself over licensing, since the NVIDIA modules are proprietary

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But it shouldn't prevent the OS from booting

errant sentinel Dec 29, 2022, 2:10 AM

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@brisk lion if it works Noe please go ahead and append [SOLVED] to the name of this post.

brisk lion Dec 29, 2022, 2:11 AM

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errant sentinel <@456226577798135808> if it works Noe please go ahead and append `[SOLVED] ` to ...

It doesn't work

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It still remains unsolved

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I also retried the mainline kernel and driver to run into the same issue again, same with LTS

errant sentinel Dec 29, 2022, 3:22 AM

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brisk lion Reboot and now it works

@brisk lion I thought you said it works here ^^

brisk lion Dec 29, 2022, 3:25 AM

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errant sentinel <@456226577798135808> I thought you said it works here ^^

Well it works but not on Arch

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So the actual issue remains unsolved

errant sentinel Dec 29, 2022, 3:26 AM

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Oh.

brisk lion Dec 29, 2022, 3:27 AM

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Also the newer Manjaro ISO also kills itself in the exact same way lol

errant sentinel Dec 29, 2022, 3:27 AM

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So manjaro stopped working and then fixed itself?

brisk lion Dec 29, 2022, 3:27 AM

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I had to use a months old ISO and update the packages to the latest version

errant sentinel Dec 29, 2022, 3:27 AM

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Oof

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Really strange issue

brisk lion Dec 29, 2022, 3:27 AM

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I know right

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People on Arch who installed it before 6.0.9

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And updated

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Didn't get the issue either

errant sentinel Dec 29, 2022, 3:28 AM

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~~seems to be a skill issue~~

errant sentinel Dec 29, 2022, 3:28 AM

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errant sentinel ~~seems to be a skill issue~~

(/j ofc)

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Really weird tho.

brisk lion Dec 29, 2022, 3:28 AM

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If it was really that bad of a skill issue the issue wouldn't be unsolved after nearly 600 messages lmao

errant sentinel Dec 29, 2022, 3:29 AM

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Wdym? I was just joking

brisk lion Dec 29, 2022, 3:29 AM

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Considering Arch worked for me before 6.0.9

brisk lion Dec 29, 2022, 3:29 AM

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errant sentinel Wdym? I was just joking

Oh I see, sorry

errant sentinel Dec 29, 2022, 3:29 AM

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That's why I crossed it out and said /j

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Yeah, really weird.

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What's the difference between an old and new manjaro iso?

brisk lion Dec 29, 2022, 3:38 AM

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errant sentinel What's the difference between an old and new manjaro iso?

The old ISO uses Kernel 5.15 LTS.

New Arch installs only started killing themselves if you clean install with 6.0.9 or the LTS kernel that came out when 6.0.9 came out.

New Manjaro ISOs use a kernel newer than 6.0.9

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If you installed Arch before kernel 6.0.9 and updated it to today's 6.1.1 with time, you won't run into the issue.

If you install Manjaro with an older 5.15 kernel before 6.0.9, and update to the latest versions of packages, it won't kill itself.

If you make a clean install of any Arch base including Manjaro with a kewrnel 6.0.9 or newer it will kill itself over NVIDIA.

nimble epoch Dec 29, 2022, 9:59 AM

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@brisk lion can you try to do stock install using stock nonlts kernel? its possible some things messed it up that added those extra hooks for example

brisk lion Dec 31, 2022, 12:26 AM

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nimble epoch <@456226577798135808> can you try to do stock install using stock nonlts kernel?...

We seemed to have fixed the issue but further testing is required.

I will do a clean install and retest the fix before marking the post as Solved.

I'm not gonna do like Microsoft does and release untested and broken fixes

nimble epoch Dec 31, 2022, 1:12 AM

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cough openssl patch cough

brisk lion Dec 31, 2022, 2:46 AM

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nimble epoch *cough* openssl patch *cough*

I ignored PGP to install it, it complained about PGP error

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Problem solved

brisk lion Dec 31, 2022, 3:12 AM

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The problem is SOLVED. Now time to provide what I have done.

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Removing the kms hook from the /etc/mkinitcpio.conf

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Adding this:

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[SOLVED] Unable to get NVIDIA to work on Arch

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IN ADDITION TO THE NORMAL NVIDIA INSTALLATION PROCEDURES:

Installing the driver package provided by the same person who provided the custom kernel, choosing the DKMS method
Adding nvidia nvidia_modeset nvidia_uvm nvidia_drm to the MODULES line in /etc/mkinitcpio.conf
Adding nvidia-drm.modeset=1 ibt=off to the GRUB boot parameters
Following section 10 of NVIDIA Tips and Tricks (Arch Wiki) to preserve video memory after suspend
Regenerating the initcpio
Regenerating the GRUB file
Rebooting

nimble epoch Dec 31, 2022, 10:46 AM

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brisk lion - Removing the `kms` hook from the `/etc/mkinitcpio.conf`

This shouldnt be there with normal nvidia install

nimble epoch Dec 31, 2022, 10:47 AM

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brisk lion - Adding this:

Tried prime? That doesnt work?

nimble epoch Dec 31, 2022, 10:49 AM

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brisk lion IN ADDITION TO THE NORMAL NVIDIA INSTALLATION PROCEDURES: - Installing the drive...

Adding these to modules is standard.
ibt=off is the only new here
Interestingly i never did that and had no issues so far. Maybe i dont suspend that much.

brisk lion Dec 31, 2022, 12:29 PM

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nimble epoch Adding these to `modules` is standard. `ibt=off` is the only new here Interestin...

ibt=off is required for 12th generation Intel CPUs only

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IBT being a new feature in these CPUs

nimble epoch Dec 31, 2022, 12:30 PM

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brisk lion ibt=off is required for 12th generation Intel CPUs only

i know

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which why i said its the only unusual step

brisk lion Dec 31, 2022, 12:30 PM

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Oh I see

brisk lion Dec 31, 2022, 12:31 PM

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nimble epoch This shouldnt be there with normal nvidia install

KMS isn't related to NVIDIA, it's a hook introduced in the default mkinitcpio configuration provided by the latest versions of the mkinitcpio package

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But it being present made the kernel kill itself over NVIDIA

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Also sorry for closing the post yesterday, IDK how to use forums lol

nimble epoch Dec 31, 2022, 12:32 PM

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custom kernel only tho?

brisk lion Dec 31, 2022, 12:33 PM

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kms, not DKMS

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Not the same thing

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Yes my driver is installed using DKMS

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But kms is unrelated

nimble epoch Dec 31, 2022, 12:33 PM

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brisk lion kms, not DKMS

step 5.

#[SOLVED] Unable to get NVIDIA to work on Arch