SMB: The Missing Lands

[primal vale]

How come there is different coins?

Sprite coins vs tileset coins or something?

[untold sleet]

Yes

Tileset coins cannot be placed in front of decorations, that's why the coin actors are there for

[primal vale]

Is the tileset semi solid?

[untold sleet]

The darker grassland tiles are

The ground at the top part is entirely solid and the ground at the bottom is semisolid

[primal vale]

They look the fucking same

Minor hue shift

[shut glen]

tbf you're looking at the grounds on difference places instead of together

[primal vale]

You will also be looking at them in different places in game?

[shut glen]

i feel like ingame you'd be able to tell easier

i dunno i personally see them differently even without the image being zoomed in

btw looks interesting
does the level wrap around?

[fervent oar]

Yea

[shut glen]

oh wait im dumb, the entrance iss at the top lmao

thought it was the door originally

[fervent oar]

LMAO THE ENDING OF THIS 😭

"They ended up having hard sex" LMAO

[untold sleet]

I blame Jouner for that the hue shift used to be more noticeable before

[fervent oar]

Nah its very noticable

[untold sleet]

Nope

[primal vale]

You should be able to tell with ease what is or isn't solid from a glance

[fervent oar]

I mean, i can see they are semi solid (mostly because ds always do semisolid like that)

[shut glen]

idk like i said i personally see clearly that the semisolid ones are more orangish while the solid ones are paler

[fervent oar]

Also never blame Jouner again 😠

[shut glen]

like if i just saw it for a second i'd tell

maybe ztar could record this section

[fervent oar]

Tbh i cant blame him tho since on nsmbu and wii it does is different, and on ds theyre the dame thing beside colors

This even more because of less space for stuff, so every ds tileset does this, so we are more used to this

[shut glen]

-# tbh no ds tileset has semisolids but the community often does semisolids like these because of what jpg said .p

[fervent oar]

Yea

[shut glen]

tho i personally prefer the custom semisolid designs rather than the hue shifted ones

[shut glen]

also this too

its possible that in wii/u doing this may not be so visible but in ds it could be visible

[untold sleet]

How about this?

[fervent oar]

they have semisolids, but they are different stuff rather than the ground

Guys ill convert a furry model rq brb

[shut glen]

yeah its a noticeable enough difference

[untold sleet]

.....

I genuinely wish you stopped using my hack's thread as a shitposting center

[fervent oar]

Fun level

[fervent oar]

Im not shitposting ill actually do it

[shut glen]

wait outta curiosity isnt this one of the earlier hack levels

i remember seeing a showcase of it in yt but with an old nsmbu tileset so i couldnt tell lmao

[untold sleet]

Yes, it's 3-2 but with some changes

[shut glen]

the design seems familiar

[fervent oar]

I just said that i would do it cuz idk i think i needed to?

[shut glen]

oh awesome

[fervent oar]

Ooo

U should do a 3rd demo ngl

[untold sleet]

Then just go and do it instead of saying "Guys, I'll make a furry model, bye ^w^"

[fervent oar]

Fair ig

Well, there i go, bye yall

[primal vale]

I don't remember any semi solids like that in DS

[fervent oar]

Ds mods i mean

[shut glen]

the closest you'll get is the mountain one, but that one is a custom design

yeah with mods you'll see a couple

[shut glen]

here i was talking about the base game btw

[untold sleet]

DS doesn't really tend to do semisolids too often besides the desert and beach platforms

[fervent oar]

On nsmb itself the semisolids are plataforms, mushrooms and those bridges

[primal vale]

Yeah...

[fervent oar]

Theres a big diference imo

But we cant do anything else than that without killing a lot of space

[primal vale]

It's also funny cause usually the pale one would be the semi solid in this case

[fervent oar]

Dark makes more sense in semisolids tbf, since its suposed to have shadow

Imo i think he should do the grass darker too, but its pretty noticiable that its a semisolid (at least imo, ofc)

[shut glen]

for me the color i choose depends on if it fits the tileset or not lol

[fervent oar]

I always do light, but it always looks bad beside w3

[shut glen]

all my tilesets have darker semisolids, except the snow one, which has a lighter semisolid
oh yeah the forest one is lighter too

[primal vale]

Goes against what's pretty much been established for the most part

[fervent oar]

I mean, wonder and mario maker did that too

Semisolids are darker

Smw does the same color for solid and semisolid

Nsmb2 iirc it dont exist

So they only made it light in nsmbu and wii

[primal vale]

It does not exactly help the case that it looks pretty darn close the the NSMBWii overworld tileset, which is specifically one that has pale semisolids

[fervent oar]

Imo i think it looks kinda weird being like that

I myself do it like this but i dont change because im lazy

[primal vale]

Imo it's dumb to reverse it

[shut glen]

doesnt look that close to the wii tileset imo

like yeah theres similarities but its not that close lmao

[fervent oar]

In ds this smh looks kinda weird

[primal vale]

Also, I get that you guys are limited with tileset space and all that, but it also doesn't help that colour has to be the only distinction

[fervent oar]

I mean, its the only option if we want to add details

[primal vale]

That tiling 😭

[fervent oar]

Otherwise we would need to kill a lot of space

[fervent oar]

Ground inside ground 😭

[mystic rain]

no because then you can use the semisolids as bg walls, which is done quite a lot in hacks

[shut glen]

i may be rude for this but this porting looks anything but good

[primal vale]

How many details do you gusy need bro 😭

[shut glen]

even the koopa

[fervent oar]

I cant conplain tho 😭

[mystic rain]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1208478549380431872/1210919908771237940/Jyotyu_02.png?ex=6861d44c&is=686082cc&hm=7200a3fe423ea4d4a50ec5f1f230dd340b89ad4a2c822607d1d639e7851ba04c&

[fervent oar]

Extended tileset and still no much space for stuff

[fervent oar]

Looks good

[shut glen]

tbf you mixed 2 tilesets you wouldnt use in the same level here i dont think that should be much applicable lol

[fervent oar]

Also smth happened? Ur name is a . And your status, sorry to ask btw i got worried

[mystic rain]

it's okay i think...

i don't wanna talk about it publicly at least

[fervent oar]

Actually i use noth, but yea, better example

[shut glen]

in any case maybe move it to general or basement if you feel alright to talk about it

[mystic rain]

there's also this, tho more of a semisolid
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1208478549380431872/1350156352713916518/hud_graphics_03.PNG?ex=68617597&is=68602417&hm=fc4b741fabe2da275f55e29e935b9155ffa7ba172d05a4f97c565575988967d9&

[shut glen]

also while its not like it was a big deal or wtv, i seriously feel like this semisolid debate was so uneccesary lol

[fervent oar]

If you want to talk about it feel free to, hope everything goes well 🫂

[fervent oar]

Thoae hills are cute

[untold sleet]

I don't wanna sound rude, but if y'all are gonna start talking off topic stuff or are gonna start promoting your mods in my thread y'all better move to another channel

[mystic rain]

thanks

[untold sleet]

This

Y'all love to argue just for the sake of arguing

[fervent oar]

Yw ^w^

[mystic rain]

i'll just move out of this server at this point... wasn't trying to show off mods, just trying to show the first example that came to my mind and thought it was executed right

and yes for your information you did sound rude, at the wrong time.
-# i'm shaking rn

[fervent oar]

Dont leave the server :c
Youre a nice person

[mystic rain]

that's why i would want to leave it, some people here aren't as nice as i expected. and i said some people so this means that it doesn't only apply to you Ztardust

[primal vale]

There are like 3 different tilesets inside this bro 💀

[mystic rain]

i'll stop here because at this point i'm just creating more unnecessary drama and bringing my personal problems into unrelated matters

[fervent oar]

also yea im starting to get anxxious and i cant feel like that in thid momment

[primal vale]

What channel do you think fits?

[shut glen]

#nsmb-chat

[untold sleet]

I'm just genuinely tired of drama constantly happening in this thread, I want to showcase my stuff here without this thread turning into drama or ending in an unnecessary discussion, and I tried to say this in the nicest way possible because this is like the fifth time everyone starts a drama or a discussion in this thread and I'm genuinely starting to get pissed of this, it makes me not wanna show anything from the hack at this point, I sincerely apologize if I made you feel bad, that was not my intention, also, saying that "some people here aren't as nice as you expected" and that "it doesn't only apply to me" was a kinda rude and unnecessary comment, if you have a problem with me or if there's something that you think I'm doing wrong, you could kindly send me a DM or expressing your concerns to the staff via DM's because throwing a comment like this in a public chat does not help in any way and also adds fuel to the flames

[fervent oar]

just drop the conversation it already ended ig

[shut glen]

gonna say in advance that the convo should end with this message

[untold sleet]

Yes

[languid grove]

reverse the semisolids with solids and it's perfect since most people think of semisolids as they look in wii

i would've done that atleast in your case

-# in my case i would've done just complete seperate tileset LOL!

[primal vale]

What does the tileset currently look like 🤔

[untold sleet]

The main reason why the semisolids are made that way is because I got inspired by the grassland tileset from Hard Super Dario Bros./NSMB Community Remix, and also because I initially tried to make a brighter version of the ground for the semisolids but I didn't like how it looked, so I tried messing around with colors until I got that result and decided to use the darker variant for semisolids as I got used to how the brighter part looked and didn't want to use the darker variant as the main tileset

Semisolids don't always have to mandatorily be brighter than the main ground, one can break that tradition

Also, when you play the levels, you'll find many indicators that show you can walk through those semisolids, like ground platforms on top of other ones, coins in front of the ground, etc.

[shut glen]

this is what i've been saying but it kept coming down to arguing about it being visible at first glance
but yes i agree with all that ztar said

[languid grove]

Yeah obviously, that's why i'm making complete different looking ones since it's more unique, if i were making just reshaded tiles i would've done semisolids lighter since it's more associated with nsmb wii/other games and can lead to some confusion in other cases

but that's typically for a while

[primal vale]

The tradition is there for a reason

[shut glen]

please can we let the semisoolid convo past 😭

[primal vale]

I am not allowed to respond anymore, it seems

Fine then

[languid grove]

we can't discuss about our opinions anymore? 😔

[shut glen]

didnt want to come off that way sorry yall, its just the fact that this convo went on for longer than it needed and it was already said before to end it, plus ztar's message here

[untold sleet]

Traditions are dumb, do whatever the fuck you want and be happy instead of trying to follow the same usual old standarts

[primal vale]

What I wanted to say, you shouldn't just break traditions unless you have a reason to

[languid grove]

I hate traditions too

[untold sleet]

Also yeah, I do not mind the feedback, but the way this convo turned out just makes me not wanna talk about this anymore

[untold sleet]

My reason: I fucking like how it looks and I don't care if it's different than usual

[primal vale]

I would recommend thinking about why something is the way it is before deciding to do whatever

[mystic rain]

i don't wanna drag this on or anything, just wanting to apologize.

i just want to apologize for crashing out and being rude like this. while you sounded disrespectful to me when i felt like you showed that you didn't care about me not feeling well; i overreacted and crashed out onto you. i most likely did that because i wasn't feeling well, but i apologize about this regardless

[quick pine]

New++ literally breaks every single traditional 2d Mario rule and people never complain about it

[untold sleet]

It's okay, I apologize to you again if what I said sounded offensive, obviously I care about how you feel, but publicly venting your frustrations like this in a public chat just creates a tense atmosphere and makes it a bit uncomfortable to talk in chat (specially if you do it very often), and this was the main reason why rule 13 was added, we all care about you and you know perfectly well that you can always talk to any of us if you need emotional support, I would just advise you not to throw comments like this because, although I understand that you might be frustrated, venting and saying harsh comments is not the best way to solve things, and I'm telling you this as a friendly advice, I don't intend to act rude towards you or anything

[subtle maple]

Ah the classic appeal to nintendo fallacy

We're making rom hacks who cares

[potent fog]

conservationism has reached nsmb modding 📉

[fervent oar]

NEVERRRR

CREATIVITY ALWAYS 📈

[untold sleet]

This, you shouldn't always strictly follow what Nintendo does or doesn't, otherwise you're just limiting yourself

[fervent oar]

Yea, you should show your potential instead, since thats what modding is

If youre limmiting youtself you not showing your full potential and creativity

[fervent oar]

Hey i noticed you use the fish i made with shading once, if u want i can send a new version i did with smoth shading and less tris, idk why its a bit smaller tho, but if u want i can easily make a version wich is bigger

[languid grove]

CUTE

[untold sleet]

If you can make a bigger version I'll consider using it

For now I'll keep using the current one

[untold sleet]

I realized that I'm really bad at designing sky/athletic levels

That's why this hack doesn't have too many sky levels

I'm working on 5-4 and I don't have any ideas

None, zero

This feels like a really boring and generic level

I should probably think of another mechanic to make this level more interesting

Any ideas?

[mystic rain]

maybe you could combine the purple mushrooms with some sliding mechanics? you could also maybe make some sections where you have to not stay on them for too long if you don't wanna fall

also i'm not sure if this fact could be useful, but i think that if you stay on the mushroom but keep walking in a wall at the same time, the mushroom stops going down

[languid grove]

not updated tileset 💔

[untold sleet]

I think I'll tryna look up some other levels for inspiration because I'm so clueless rn

[mystic rain]

maybe the tilting mushrooms alone are not enough and need another gimmick?

[untold sleet]

That's what I was thinking but I don't know what other gimmick could pair well with this

[fervent oar]

Yup i can make a bigger one, when i do it can i send in dm or u dont mind i post in public resources

[fervent oar]

Ig it works tbh, u could definitelly add more elements tho, but seens playable, and probably fun too

[fervent oar]

Yea thats a really great idea

[untold sleet]

Nah, this level is shit, I'm gonna delete it all and I'm gonna work on it in another occasion, when I have more ideas for this

[primal vale]

I just wish to see mods be the best they can be

And I believe you should be thinking about why established rules exist in the first place, before you go on and break them

[fervent oar]

Ig being limmited to nintendo dont always make them good

[quick pine]

Nintendo tradition != quality

[fervent oar]

Sometimes it can even ruin the mod

[fervent oar]

LMAOOOO I GOT THAT ONE

[primal vale]

Not fully understanding what you're doing != good mod

[outer schooner]

Racist = me

[fervent oar]

Nintendo traditoon != u understand what you do

[quick pine]

not understanding what your doing is very different from not following Nintendo's design philosophy. Anyways, this ends here, lets stop spaming this thread

[untold sleet]

Boobs lover = me

[quick pine]

My boobs are hurting

[untold sleet]

Why are you not sleeping?

[austere elbow]

Because her boobache keeps her up. Duh.

[quick pine]

[untold sleet]

I genuinely can't believe I initially wanted to do this for the bottom screen backgrounds 💀

Back in the days where I didn't know how to edit uiStudio files at all

From that to this there's a really huge difference

[fervent oar]

Btw show that airship fortress theme here

The one from evolution, it was peak

[untold sleet]

I already had showed it here JPG

[fervent oar]

-# NOWAY SMB1 SPRITES IT MEANS THAT SMB TML WILL HAVE A SECRET SMB1 MODE!!!!

[fervent oar]

Oh oki

[fervent oar]

I really like the ztar one

Why the pingio youre online ;(

I forgot to disable mb

[untold sleet]

I was considering doing something like this for the bottom screen menu, what do y'all think?

[fervent oar]

UwU should do a completely new bottom screen design imo

U*

[mystic rain]

for some reason the gold borders remind me of skjmin

probably because he used this kind of object for text stuff in some of his hacks

i think it's pretty cool abd feels pretty unique

[fervent oar]

Yea

[mystic rain]

tho maybe adjusting the shading so the dark isn't always inwards could work a bit better imo

[fervent oar]

Tbh i feel he should do a new design like i and frosty did

[mystic rain]

and maybe change the score and star coin stuff with the minimap so things are more balanced?

[gritty karma]

And Illy

[fervent oar]

Yea

[gritty karma]

The bottom screen is looking super good, I love the borders being like the text boxes in your hack

[languid grove]

it's alright

[untold sleet]

It doesn't really convince me at all, I think I can make it better

I would also like to make another square border with a different color for the sub-item box, but I don't think I can do that

[shut glen]

u can make it square

just note that u can only make the sprite for the top left portion of the reserve icon, the rest of the sprite is drawn by mirroring that part

[shut glen]

btw looks neat

mayb if it helps u can put the lives counter a little to the left and the level number a little to the right

also could change the color of the ''background'' to be more blue to look like the text boxes you used

[untold sleet]

I'm aware of this, the reason why I'm saying I don't think I can do it is because the reserve icon shares palettes with the star coin graphics, which means that I probably won't be able to add borders without killing the ztar coin icon quality

[languid grove]

that's why i said it's alright

Mainly because i didn't know what i could tell you

[quick pine]

How many times do I say that mine is temporary and I’m going to leave it to the end due to all the added difficulties of new++

[languid grove]

But i definitly hate the middle part if it's just gray

[mystic rain]

you could still use the tilemap though

[languid grove]

-# i hate your design

But Frosty greatly showed how it can be improved

[languid grove]

no....

give it a somekind of pattern atleast

[shut glen]

maybe i overdid the level and lives part

[mystic rain]

i think i'm not a fan of the blue bg for the stuff

and the world/level indicator feels "thicker" than the live counter because of the border, which kinda clashes

[untold sleet]

I was literally just about to send it, lol

[shut glen]

ooo that shadow is really good

[languid grove]

way better

now give it a grid pattern

[untold sleet]

What tilemap?

[shut glen]

theo ne for the map

[untold sleet]

Didn't you said that the map bitmap was layered in front of the powerups or am I misremembering?

I'm not entirely sure if the inside of the box should be black tho

And white doesn't seem to fit...

Opinions?

Or maybe I could make it black and give the powerup graphics a white outline, but I'm not sure if that'd look good at all

[untold sleet]

This shit is gonna be a pain to tile once I finish it

[languid grove]

yess exactly

see? ;3 Way better

tho definitly not fan of the power up frame

you could btw use the same colours for the yellow frame as your coins

that would've been cool imo

[mystic rain]

the same tilemap than the one of the star coin slots, the score and life indicators, and the minimap bg

[mystic rain]

i don't think i had said that

[untold sleet]

Would you preffer the original one then?

[mystic rain]

maybe give it a blue bg too

[fervent oar]

Nah its good
But how can i improve?
In #1193719548009009192 ofc

[languid grove]

oh, I meant the colour frame and inside of it

[languid grove]

bring the whole original with mini map screen and start over, with custom ones too

your bottom screen is lifeless

[fervent oar]

Tbh i dont like much the nsmb vanilla minimap

Its kinda too big

[untold sleet]

That's why I'm asking for opinions, I genuinely don't know how I could make the sub-item box

[shut glen]

what if you gave it a question mark

[untold sleet]

I want both the box and the outline to have a different color than the minimap, it would be really boring if they all had the same colors

That's why I made the outline green

[untold sleet]

Yeah, I thought about this too

I need to think what to do

[shut glen]

i highly suggest you use these colors though

not a fan of the green combined with literally everything else...

[languid grove]

something liekthis would've been good

[shut glen]

-# hey thats stealing from me /j
yup that looks good

[languid grove]

im gonna steal you in a moment

[untold sleet]

Good point

I didn't know what color use, I just used green because almost everything in the bottom screen is blue

Remember that the first wallpaper is a blue gradient, I'm just using the yellow bonus room one as an example

[shut glen]

uhhhh

[untold sleet]

I think this is much better

[languid grove]

mario kart referenceeeeee

[untold sleet]

Does anyone have any suggestions? I feel I should do something different with the star coin counter, but I don't know what I could do

[languid grove]

for me it's not the counter but the graphic i could improve it if you want someday

[untold sleet]

"Someday" (Never)

[languid grove]

sure

[untold sleet]

Maybe I should do something like this instead, idk

Actually yeah, I'll probably need a new ztar coin graphic because this one is bullshit

I can never draw anything that looks good

[mystic rain]

it looks good tho, wdym

it's just the outlines that don't really match the original ones, but they fit with the rest of the bottom screen hud stuff (eg. mario's head has outlines) so i think it still works

the only complaint i have is that it feels more of an octogon than being fully circular

[untold sleet]

It's meant to be like that, all the hud graphics in this hack are meant to have a "cartoon-ish" artstyle

[mystic rain]

and also it feels like the ztar coin "slots" seem to have less depth than the vanilla game's ones, which i don't really like

[mystic rain]

exactly, so they work

ohh you mean the outlines were intended

makes sense then

[untold sleet]

Yup

[shut glen]

i changed the colosr to these before but i dunno

btw the ztarcoin icon looks pretty good to me

[untold sleet]

Looks nice but doesn't convince me at all, I dunno if that would fit with the rest of the icons

I'll just drop this here for now and continue in another occasion, maybe I'll get an idea in the meantime

I also just remembered that I'll have to apply these changes to the worldmap menu too, which is gonna be even more painful

[mystic rain]

I like it actually. tho i find it a bit sad to replace the star coin slot that looks like a star coin because i think it has its charm

[untold sleet]

I think I got an idea

[fervent oar]

Dont got it

[fervent oar]

Oh u changed the bg for that minimap

Looks cool!!

[untold sleet]

Bro has not been reading the chat

[fervent oar]

I love this hexagon patterns

Looks great

[mystic rain]

i'm not too much of a fan of it. it doesn't look too different from the star coins themselves, and i felt like the 2 previous ideas were more originaln here they feel like they are transparent

[untold sleet]

It's meant to represent an "uncollected ztar coin"

Basically the same as the reserve powerups when you're on the bottom screen

[mystic rain]

you mean rhomb/diamond?

[mystic rain]

kinda like in sm64?

[fervent oar]

OH

Wait yea the coin looks gray, yexj99a looks cool

[mystic rain]

"yexj99a"???
-# my brain thought both about a username and "vegeta" at once for some reason 😭

[fervent oar]

LMFAO ;(

Yea**

[languid grove]

contrast and we good

[shut glen]

honestly not sure about giving it contrast tbh

cause it could make it look more ''certain''(bad word?)

[fervent oar]

Nah certain is not a bad word
-# ok bad joke ill go to bed

[languid grove]

i gaved it rn and looks way better

cant show since my program for making gifs isnt enabled and i forgot its name lmao

i could do it like this i guess

[shut glen]

oops, i meant to say bad word to describe it with

[shut glen]

oh wow i pictured it worse lol

yeah that looks neat

[languid grove]

i don't like it anyway but it's bit better

-# it's just gray, and i absolutely hate full gray things in NSMB especially, doesn't fit at all

[untold sleet]

I mean, if you can suggest something better than this then you're free, for now I'm sticking with this until I can get a better idea of what to do

I really like how this edit turned out, it's much better than the original

[languid grove]

after i wake up and if i wont forget/wont be lazy i will play around with it

[shut glen]

could try making it look more saturated ig?

[languid grove]

close enough

[untold sleet]

I actually like how this one looks

[shut glen]

also random idea lmao, but i dont think it'd be great

[untold sleet]

Interesting concept but I'm not interested in implementing this, it would also require me to split each one in a different palette

It would be a nice idea if someone could make a code hack to make each of the three star coins load a different model and make a bronze, a silver and a golden star coin

[mystic rain]

i feel like darker things should be lighter and lighter things should be darker. basically invert brightness. so it looks like it's carved into the stone so the ztar coin perfectly fits into the carving

not sure if it would look great tho

[untold sleet]

Bonus room

[mystic rain]

pretty creative!

[fervent oar]

OOO

[gritty karma]

Love It!

[languid grove]

@shut glen

[waxen perch]

Mega mushroom my beloved

[untold sleet]

Trynna draw my own switches cuz I wanna get rid of Newer ones

I do not like how the blue and orange ones turned out tbh...

This is much better I think

Opinions?

[tranquil thicket]

i think the colours look a bit grody

the highlights in particular seem greyish

[fervent oar]

COOL!!!!!!!

[tranquil thicket]

id reccomend hue shifting the colours as they get lighter/darker

[fervent oar]

🔥

[tranquil thicket]

like for the ? swithc you could have the highlights be yellowyer and the shadows a bit more red

beyond that their basic forms seem fine

[untold sleet]

Fair

I basically just drew the red switch, copypasted it and hue shifted it because I was too lazy to recolor it myself

[waxen perch]

Looks like a bullet lmao

Looks good

Everybody gangsta till Mario pulls out the !-Glock

[untold sleet]

I think this could look better if I added shadows to the symbols but I'm really bad at drawing shadows :/

[gritty karma]

Not that kind of roulette in Mario Party...

[mystic rain]

this. it would make it look better imo

also i feel like it kinda lacks some depth between the gray part/base and the colored part, tho idk if it's done on purpose

[languid grove]

^

[fervent oar]

I read the post name as SMB: The Missing Luigis

Smh

[mystic rain]

smhsmhsmhsmhsmh

[languid grove]

@untold sleet

[untold sleet]

Looks much better than the shit I just drew

Perhaps you could do the other ones

[tranquil thicket]

i think the shading on the left of the P is sorta blending with the highlight n the shading on the right is makes the bowl look a bit pointy

[shut glen]

you should change colors of the orange one imo
kinda like dm said, make darker colors hue shift to red, and the lighter colors hue shift to yellow

looks awesome though

[untold sleet]

Yeah I need to stop being lazy and recolor it myself instead of just hue shifting it, lmao

[shut glen]

think of what the p switch does and what the original orange switch does, u can see that in the p switch is lighter cyan (because it’s a light color in the spectrum) and the darker colors are more blue since it’s a darker color than cyan

[untold sleet]

Is this better? I recolored the switch manually using the same colors as the original switch

Recoloring this crap manually was NOT fun

[waxen perch]

Ooo I like that

[shut glen]

does pdn or whichever software you use not have a replace color function

[untold sleet]

In what sense?

Do you mean the fill bucket tool?

[shut glen]

some apps (atleast aseprite lol) have a tool to replace a specified color with another specified color, and you can change the ‘tolerance’ to determine if any similar looking colors should be affected aswelll

[untold sleet]

Interesting

I don't think GIMP has such a thing, but if it does, it would be useful as hell because recoloring crap manually is really painful

[shut glen]

bucket fill does work too actually, in aseprite it has a ‘continuous’ option, which makes it so that if it’s ticked on, then it only affects adjacent pixels, and if it’s ticked off, then it just checks for all pixels

though just normal bucket fill Can work fine

[untold sleet]

The bucket fill in GIMP is kinda ass because it will recolor multiple pixels even if their colors are slightly different

I should probably use Aseprite more often

Gonna import these using Nitro Paint

[untold sleet]

I just remembered that I will also need a custom switch for the first Bowser boss

Pain

I'll definitely need Jouner's help for this because I cba to draw a big switch myself

And the ones I drew were bad

[tranquil thicket]

what kinda design were you gonna give it

[untold sleet]

Something like this perhaps

Or this

[tranquil thicket]

gotcha

[languid grove]

goodluck wit making it visible

just rescale the one I sent you to 1024 1800 and improve it there and downsfale and it will look good

[untold sleet]

Thanks Jouner for being the goat

[fervent oar]

Bowser

[tranquil thicket]

how does the sprite itself look

[tranquil thicket]

gotcga

nifty

[mystic rain]

there are a few pixels that got weird colors because of compression, but apart from that it looks really good!!

[primal vale]

Can you add more space between the swich and the door?

[primal vale]

Or does it have to be exactly like that

[mystic rain]

woww looks better with the shadow!

[languid grove]

yeah i forgot about it and wanted to make it more accurate to the other ones + original

[untold sleet]

I don't remember, I didn't really do much changes to the arena because sometimes the most minimal changes can make a boss crash

[untold sleet]

Oh btw, I forgot to show it, but this is how the 7th worldmap looks right now

It's shit, but there isn't really much I can change, this worldmap is modeled so terribly

[gritty karma]

Hey not bad!

Well, you could change that cloud block texture, cause it doesn't look good

But everything else is pretty

[languid grove]

i think the best way for you it would've been editing original map in blender or whatever

and just change positions of somekind of planes and add new textures for more variation

[untold sleet]

And what makes you assume that I know Blender? Lmao

Also, as far as I know, you can't edit the vanilla worldmaps in Blender, you have to remodel them from scratch

[shut glen]

not true I think

you can still use the model it’s just that you have to set the materials again n also divide the paths from the model (cause they get joined as one)

apicula creates an armature with a bone for each separate object so likely won’t be hard to separate the paths

[untold sleet]

Oh interesting

[languid grove]

you can always learn it

and i don't think basic moving objects, adding, moving, exporting would've been hard at all for anyone

the only hard part i guess would've been the things that frosty said

[untold sleet]

The problem is not that I don't know it, the problem is that I don't believe my laptop is powerful enough to support Blender

[languid grove]

you gotta try then

[untold sleet]

I prefer to prevent that risk

Maybe in a future

I'm still interested in learning Blender at some point

[shut glen]

could also try using an older version of blender in any case
iirc 2.8 works with the nns plugins

[untold sleet]

I'm very tempted to try but I gotta need to do some cleanup in my laptop first because I have a bunch of unnecessary files, lol

[fervent oar]

My pc havr the same specs as your, and it runs blender, try downloading 2.9 portable

And run it, if it runs then you can use other blender

Ofc, u will need to add some settings on blender first

And zoom in the interface otherwise it will lag

Sorry for the ping did it to make sure you would see this

[fervent oar]

2.9 is the best one

[untold sleet]

I see all the messages in this server, there's zero need to ping me, specially in my own channel

Thanks for the advice anyways, I'll see what to do

[untold sleet]

Just wondering, would it be possible to turn these metal boxes into custom actors and make them have gravity? I would like to make a level similar to 6-Castle from NSMBU

I used these metal boxes in my castle tileset, but I want to get rid of them and turn them into custom actors because they take a lot of space and I also want to redo my castle tileset

[quick pine]

yes

[tranquil thicket]

ztar the subnohara tiles dont fully obscure mario when hes entering i think

just outta curiosity whats I_toride4.nsbtx look like for you

[fervent oar]

Thats a subnohara v2 problem

[languid grove]

stop copying NSMBABA

[quick pine]

ermm actauly, gravity boxes are a new++ thing

[untold sleet]

I'm not copying anyone, I had this idea much before Fuzzy sent me the NSMBABA clips and I got inspiration from New Soup U

I'm gonna make a request for these later

[languid grove]

everyone that is copying always denies that he copied

jk

[tranquil thicket]

its a somebody set up the 3d tiles wrong problem

[mystic rain]

i think it's just not properly tiled. there are a few extra pixels on the tileset itself but since they're outside of the full tiles, they don't cover mario correctly

manually modifying the graphics (both tileset and polygon_unit stuff) to align the wall to the full 16x16 tiles could fix the issue

[untold sleet]

If that's the case, I think I'll just switch back to DM's version of the SubNohara and add the snowy variants and the NSMBWii flagpole tops

But I'm way too lazy to do that

Editing the SubNohara is almost as painful as editing the jyotyu

[mystic rain]

what's the difference between DM's SubNohara and the version you're using?

[tranquil thicket]

mine accounts for the doorway 3d tiles but lacks the snow styles (since its not extended) and the flagpole doesnt work right with mega mario

[mystic rain]

oh okay

[untold sleet]

I have made zero progress on this hack the last days, I have zero motivation

I want to focus on some other things for the community and pick up this when I have recovered my motivation or when I have more ideas

[untold sleet]

Might cook some stuff tomorrow idk

[untold sleet]

Just finished 5-C, only two levels left to finish world 5

I think I made a very solid level, even if it's just the same overused "freezeflame" concept

-# Better than Newer

[gritty karma]

Can you show a sneak peek?

Well, It's not that sneaky if you ask for it but...

[untold sleet]

I already did

[untold sleet]

.

Well, maybe I can show some screenshots of it in the editor

It's pretty much a mix between a traditional level and a level in Ztardust style™

[languid grove]

this level is epic

[fervent oar]

OOOOOOOOOO

THIS IS PEAK

[gritty karma]

Da da da damn, peak level design

[untold sleet]

Thanks y'all

[primal vale]

I like the pipe joints in the bonus room

Never seen a tileset issue like that before

[fervent oar]

Its blue pipes

[quick pine]

It’s a method used for blue pipes

[fervent oar]

Yea

[primal vale]

w method?

[quick pine]

Replace the 3d pipe joint with a 2d version and use those tiles as pipe joints

[untold sleet]

They are blue pipes, they are just not visible in the editor, which kinda bugs me a little, but nothing I can do about it

[fervent oar]

Yea

The editor dont suport actors custom graphics

Sad

Nor custom actors graphics

[primal vale]

Replace the 3D joint with a 2D one?

[fervent oar]

Yea

[primal vale]

How does that free up space?

[fervent oar]

The 3d one is used for blue pipes

And the 2d one is a tileset

[primal vale]

Damn

I always thought pipes were 2D in this game

[fervent oar]

Theyre kinda

[potent fog]

they are rendered with the 3D engine but they're just 2D planes

[fervent oar]

Theyre nsbtx

[fervent oar]

Yea

[potent fog]

and that's needed because the player has to go behind them

[fervent oar]

I feel like its lame that tileset cant go in front of mario

[primal vale]

And pipe joints can just be done with regular tiles

[fervent oar]

After mario enters the pipe he is invisible

So it dont really matter

[primal vale]

You're modding the wrong game for that

[fervent oar]

LMAO

In ds we can do this, but we need to make 3d actors

But with tiles, impossible

At least with the current engine

[primal vale]

Would it be feasible to code in an actor that can render tiles with the 3D engine

[fervent oar]

Yea

Probably

Iirc there was even a project for this

[primal vale]

I wonder how the magic platform sprites made for Wii and U work

[fervent oar]

The problem is that it would consime vram

[primal vale]

Yeah, that's always the issue

[untold sleet]

In short, both the pipes and the pipe joint are 3D models that use 2D planes like mentioned, what I did for the blue pipes was replace the pipe joint objects and "crossover" pipe tiles with blue pipe graphics, and I made a new pipe joint by including it in the tileset itself

[fervent oar]

With normal actors it wouldn't be a issue, but with tileset it would since its a lot of tiles and such

[shut glen]

i think theres another 2d layer that goes over models that is unused in stages but you can see that it gets used in the title screen cutscene

[waxen perch]

Technically not true
-# I still need to write that tutorial

[shut glen]

or use oam and make it render above the player

[waxen perch]

NSBTX can render over the player if you set the Z-value high enough

I do that in ordinary for the static

[fervent oar]

I WANT THIS IN LEVELS

PLEASE PLEASE

[untold sleet]

Maybe you could consider writing the tutorial after you go back from Acapulco and drink your piña coladas

[fervent oar]

Make a tutorial for us ndy please save us 😭

[shut glen]

tbh i think kirby mass attack has 2 tileset layerss i wonder how that game did it

[untold sleet]

JPG, get out

[fervent oar]

Where i can find out so i can get it? 🤔
-# bad joke ik

[fervent oar]

Imagine frosty figuring out 2d tileset layers so 2 tileset per levels

[waxen perch]

Nah nah the tech is to write it while drinking them

[fervent oar]

LMAO

[quick pine]

It is used

It’s what some oam actors such as the ? Block when hit use

And the timer and some other crap

[shut glen]

ohh

[quick pine]

All four oam layers are used

[fervent oar]

Sad

[quick pine]

Bg3 is tile set
Bg2 is forground
Bg1 is bg
And bg0 it the stuff in front iirc

I may of messed those up

I just remember that 2 and 3 are the affine ones

[fervent oar]

And Bg4? Or it dont exist?

[waxen perch]

Should probably move this to #nsmb-chat

[mystic rain]

really nice!!

[languid grove]

hm

I'll think of a crazy shit then when you will make the tuto

[untold sleet]

For 5-Airship I would like to make a snowy airship level, but I dunno how I could make a snowy version of my airship tileset

The only thing that comes to my mind is grab my airship tileset, colorshift it to blue + add snow on top of it

But I somehow feel that would be really unoriginal

I also don't know what gimmicks use for 5-Airship, lol

[fervent oar]

Use snow stuff

[untold sleet]

No shit

[fervent oar]

But it would give a great gimmick ig

What abt spikes

[untold sleet]

Not sure if they fit completely in an airship level, and I already used them in the first world 5 level

I was thinking of using piranha plants, because of Petey Piranha, but those are already overused in my hack

[mystic rain]

there aren't a lot of snow-specific gimmicks in nsmbds, and most of them (if not all of them) have already been used in some others of your levels

[mystic rain]

maybe combining them with snow spikes? if they can kill the piranha plants with snowballs it could make a pretty cool gimmick

[untold sleet]

Exactly, I was actually surprised when I figured out there weren't too many snow gimmicks in this game

[untold sleet]

Wait, great idea

I might start working on it later

[fervent oar]

Ig not because theyre already used in a level dont mean you cant se them, u could use ninji too!

[fervent oar]

Wait yea great idea!

[untold sleet]

Already used

In two levels

[fervent oar]

But why u cant use again 🤔

[untold sleet]

I want each level in this hack to be as unique as possible, which is why I don't like repeating the same gimmick in multiple levels

[fervent oar]

Gotcha

On w6 u will use bomb spikes?

[untold sleet]

Yes

[fervent oar]

OOOOOOO

PEAK

[untold sleet]

I originally wasn't planning on using them, after some time I wanted to use them in 5-C, but I thought they would fit better in world 6, and since I don't have too many gimmick ideas for world 6 I don't see why not

[fervent oar]

Makes sense

Bro we have 25 mutual friends LMAO

[languid grove]

@untold sleet remember that if you ask me for gimmick and tell me what theme it is exactly, you get most random and creative gimmick anyone could give you

give me a minute

goodluck

[untold sleet]

I was already planning on using most of those in other levels and some others were already used

[languid grove]

now use everything I showed here

it will be peak

[untold sleet]

Too many gimmicks for one level

I'll only use the snow spike, piranha plants, sinking snow pile and maybe the walljump lift

[shut glen]

why did the mario wiki name these so oddly lol

snow bank…?

[languid grove]

THE HELL YOU MEAN TOO MANY

[languid grove]

bruh I showed a pic with full page lol

[shut glen]

-# huh
i think ztar thought you told him to use everything you showed in a single level which indeed is too many gimmicks

[languid grove]

everything on exactly middle screen is the gimmick I wanted to suggest together

I'm too lazy to crop pics

if that's too much still then yall are bad at making levels

jk

[shut glen]

the snowy branch and snow pile are more like ‘side/minor/companion’ gimmicks so it’s not much I think

[untold sleet]

Too many gimmicks and that's it

Go to bed Jouner

A level ideally shouldn't have more than 3 or 4 gimmicks, otherwise it would be really hard to make a balanced use of all of them without spamming them all over the level or making the level too long (even longer than my usual levels), not to mention that it increases the probabilities of running out of gimmicks for other levels

Also, some of the gimmicks you're suggesting do not fit in an airship level at all, what's the context for a squiggler or a snowy branch to be in an airship?

[mystic rain]

abandoned frozen airship? idk

[fervent oar]

https://tenor.com/view/protogen-meme-gif-25243074

[fervent oar]

Will u record w5 ship too? U recorded all airship levels so i think it would be nice

Also sorry for the dumb question in general

[untold sleet]

Yes, but the 5-Airship video is probably gonna take a while

And I didn't record all the airship levels, I didn't record the 4th one and the 1-Airship video was deleted

[fervent oar]

Gotcha

[fervent oar]

Ooo

Istg i remember seeing a gameplay of 4-ship

[untold sleet]

The only thing I showcased from 4-Airship was the mega goomba fight (which I ended up scrapping because it was crashing every single time)

[languid grove]

https://tenor.com/view/snape-harry-potter-you-dare-use-my-own-spells-against-me-potter-severus-snape-gif-16590981

[untold sleet]

Started working on 5-4, and I'm genuinely out of ideas for gimmicks in world 5

[mystic rain]

if you're remaking the levels, maybe you could reuse the same gimmicks?

[languid grove]

exactly, expand your ideas

[fervent oar]

Yea

My world usually tend to use a specific enemy for every level but the gimmicks are different

Such as w1 being shy guys and shuriken bros, w2 being goonies and galoombas, w3 being rexes and shy guys, w4 being goonies, rex and pokey, in desert, and eerie, boos and dry bones in the whole world

U should do something similar if u wanted

[languid grove]

^ I hate that idea but whatever

but yeah that's kinda obvious

I also would recommend you showing us original level before you star remaking it so we could know on what are you working on exactly

since I'm too lazy to search up everyrhing

[untold sleet]

No, I already stated that I dislike repeating gimmicks

I decided to use snailicorns in this level, but just as mere obstacles like any other enemy, since I already used all of my ideas with snailicorns in 3-B

Also, I have been feeling that my level design skills have been fading, I have difficulties trying to figure out how to make my levels more interesting, how to not make them too repetitive or how to make a creative usage of gimmicks

[untold sleet]

Fake Missing Lands fan detected, is there any actual Missing Lands fan? Smhsmhsmh............................. ||/j||

[austere elbow]

Meeeeeeee

[untold sleet]

One day I will make a Missing Lands trivia to detect who are real Missing Lands fans so I can ban the fake fans

[austere elbow]

Once it's released, I hope. I haven't played any demos, if there are any anyway.

[untold sleet]

Another fake fan (yes there's a demo, lmao)

[austere elbow]

Oh no I'm banned!

[untold sleet]

🫵

[untold sleet]

Bonus room

[fervent oar]

OOOOO

COOL

[waxen perch]

That seems annoying to control

Looks cool tho

[untold sleet]

It's actually easier than it looks, and the bonus room is next to a checkpoint, so you technically get infinite tries, lol

[waxen perch]

The humble gameover:

[untold sleet]

You get 99 lives before reaching this level, if you get a gameover because of this bonus room then you have a severe skill issue 🫵

/j

Btw, I'll need a custom background for this level, I thought I had already used all the snowy background slots, but turns out that I still have one more

[novel crypt]

You reminded me that I had an idea with these snails, then I took it because I didn't like it or I forgot it.

But they're called snails, the enemies in the picture, I always called them snails.

[shut glen]

their actual name is snailicorn cause they’re part unicorn part snail

[fervent oar]

Its snailicorn actually

[novel crypt]

ok thanks JPG64 and Frosty cake

[untold sleet]

World 5-4 is done

Only one level left to finish world 5

[gritty karma]

And then demo?

[untold sleet]

Please stop asking me for demos

A new demo may or may not release depending of my motivation to release one

[fervent oar]

Ngl cant wait to see w6

[fervent oar]

Tbh a new demo is not needed at this point, 3 worlds to finish the game

And youre pretty fast in finishing the worlds

[untold sleet]

And I need to redo most levels from world 1 to world 3, so the game will take a long time to release

[glass elbow]

I'm fine without a demo, I don't really see the point of one

[untold sleet]

What if I told you that the tileset and worldmap for world 6 are already made?

[fervent oar]

OOOOOO

[untold sleet]

I'm fine with releasing a new demo, but the more people asks me for demos the less I want to release a new one, I understand that y'all are excited to play this hack, but you need to be patient

[fervent oar]

Could u show a spoiler in dm? 🥺

[untold sleet]

No

Wait for me to start with world 6

[fervent oar]

PLEASE 😭

Oki fine

[untold sleet]

All I'm gonna say is that this is definitely the best looking worldmap in the entire hack so far

[fervent oar]

I WANT TO SEE IT 😭

But ngl i love mountain worlds

[glass elbow]

be patient

[fervent oar]

U can notice this in ssmb smh

[languid grove]

How does w6 look?

ah mountains

[untold sleet]

Ok, you know what?

I can maybe show only one texture from world 6

[languid grove]

JPG ban button?

[fervent oar]

SHOW

[mystic rain]

by curiosity, is world 6 gonna use the nsmb2 mountain tileset or not?

[fervent oar]

Im pretty sure its different

From a old image ztar showed me, i think i know what it is

Ill not say

[untold sleet]

Nope, that tileset is very overused in hacks since Newer DS

Small spoiler of a world 6 texture

[fervent oar]

OMG

I knew it

[untold sleet]

That's it, I'm not showing anything else from world 6 for now

[glass elbow]

it's a grate

[fervent oar]

Can i saw what the tileset is?

Say*

[untold sleet]

No

[fervent oar]

Oki

[glass elbow]

possible sewer level

[fervent oar]

Yall will like it, just what im sayin

[mystic rain]

gives sm64ds vibes

[fervent oar]

Man im so curious for this level

TRUE

[mystic rain]

i see brown stripes. it reminds me of something but it might not be that (for the reason/similar reason you just said)

[languid grove]

woah cool

i d wish to be so creative

[mystic rain]

overall tho it looks pretty cool and also pretty unique!

[languid grove]

if you need any custom textures i can make you one btw

[fervent oar]

Ztar w7 will be based in nsmbu sky?

[languid grove]

zstar i can make you custom w7, thanks

[untold sleet]

This bottom screen menu looks much better than the original one

Now I need to figure out why the hell the code hack that makes the score entirely horizontal is not compiling

[waxen perch]

What’s the error?

[untold sleet]

Gimme a second

This is the error

And this is the code hack

[waxen perch]

At the top of the file, add:
#include “nsmb.hpp”

I think that’s the issue

[untold sleet]

It's still giving me the same error

And also this

[waxen perch]

Mobile moment

Replace the quotes with pressing it on your keyboard

Idk how to explain that

Uhh

Don’t copy paste, type what I sent

[mystic rain]

"replace the quote symbols by those from the keyboard"?

[untold sleet]

Yeah, I imagined that, lol

[waxen perch]

[untold sleet]

Hell yeah, it compiled now

I hate code hacks :)

Thanks a ton Ndy

[waxen perch]

No problem

[waxen perch]

Code hacks are your friend

[tranquil thicket]

use straight quotes

[fervent oar]

I disagree but ok

[untold sleet]

Also @quick pine could you tell me how to use the gravity affected bullet bills? I dunno which nybble I have to change

[mystic rain]

wait it was made public?

[untold sleet]

I once asked Illy if I could have the code hack and she sent it, it should be somewhere in her thread

[mystic rain]

oh okay

[untold sleet]

Uhhh....

Well, I think I'm just gonna keep using a diagonal score like the original

[tranquil thicket]

why not just nudge the score txt up

[untold sleet]

I think that would look really weird, but I guess I can try

Wait, I misunderstood what you said, lol

I can't move the score text up because both the score and the numbers are a single object in the BNCL file

[tranquil thicket]

ah ic

[untold sleet]

I would seriously love to know why my airship theme is not playing in game, I tried a billion different things and nothing works

This game hates me

[quick pine]

Like this

and ill check the setting for the turrets

this is for the turrets

#include "nsmb.hpp"

class bills : public StageEntity3DAnm {
public:
    static const LineSensorH bottomSensor;
    void loadSensor();
    void updateHook();
};

const LineSensorH bills::bottomSensor = {
    -5.5fx, // Start position from the origin (left)
    5.5fx, // End position from the origin (right)
    0.0fx // Y Offset (negative = down)
};

ncp_hook(0x02147B4c, 42)
void bills::loadSensor(){
        collisionMgr.init(this, &bottomSensor, nullptr, nullptr); 
}

ncp_hook(0x02147AF0, 42)
void bills::updateHook(){
    if(this->settings>>0 & 0x1){
        applyMovement(); 
        updateVerticalVelocity(); 
        updateCollisionSensors(); 
    }
}

ncp_hook(0x0214B370, 42)
void bulletBlasterTurretCreateHook() {
    register StageEntity* self asm("r4");
        static LineSensorH bottomSensor{ -8.0fx, 7.0fx };
        self->collisionMgr.init(self,
            &bottomSensor,
            nullptr,
            nullptr
        );
}

ncp_hook(0x0214AF98, 42)
void bulletBlasterTurretUpdateHook(StageEntity* self) {
        self->updateVerticalVelocity();
        self->applyMovement();
        self->updateBottomSensor();
}

this is all of the code

[untold sleet]

Alright, big thanks, I was planning on using this in 6-1

[quick pine]

nice

[mystic rain]

you could probably move the pixel upwards in the graphics (ncg and ncl) themselves?

[untold sleet]

It's already the highest it can be

I don't understand how other people managed to import this code hack and make the score text aligned with the numbers

[shut glen]

did u check what illy said? she said 128kb is the max memory allocated from stage bgm files combined (sseq sbnk and swar) so check if it doesn’t exceed that limit

iirc it was 128kb tho maybe she said a diff number

[quick pine]

yeah thats the allocation

[tranquil thicket]

we should put that on th wiki

music page when

[untold sleet]

That doesn't make much sense to me because I'm pretty sure I made larger SSEQ's before and they worked fine

I even remember I tried reducing the size of the SWAR and the song still wasn't playing

I might try to change the instruments to reduce the size of the SWAR even more to see if that fixes the issue, if not, then I guess the only solution will be using another song and saying goodbye to the airship fortress remix

[untold sleet]

Someday, if I recover my motivation to work on the wiki

[untold sleet]

Overdecoration is my passion

[fervent oar]

THIS IS PEAK

[glass elbow]

honestly doesn't look that bad

[fervent oar]

It looks goated

[primal vale]

How far does the camera even reach

[untold sleet]

Trying to make a snowy version of my airship tileset for 5-Airship

I like how it's turning out so far, but I'm also open to your opinions/suggestions

[mystic rain]

so you settled on the snow version. interesting

[gritty karma]

I like it, but I probably would add some deco tiles

[mystic rain]

i feel like the edges of the wooden poles look purple-ish which kinda feels weird imo

[untold sleet]

It's not finished

[gritty karma]

Just a suggestion

[untold sleet]

Yeah I don't know exactly which color use for the edges, when I color shifted the airship tiles they looked orange, so I recolored them using the same colors as the original airship tiles

[mystic rain]

oh okay

maybe dark blue could work tho

(also, just in case, i'm talking about the wooden poles. the metal parts with some purple look fine)

[untold sleet]

Yeah I'm also talking about the wooden poles

[mystic rain]

okay

i think it's also because of the orange-ish lines that are still left, and give a weird contrast

[languid grove]

dark blue, blue, dark cyan, light cyan, light blue cyan

[untold sleet]

I dunno what else I could add to this tileset, lol

This is how the tileset is turning out so far

I don't even think it needs to be extended

[fervent oar]

Add more cool stuff

So u can keep it extended

[languid grove]

maybe give a zstar suggestion?

rather say cool stuff

[untold sleet]

Just saying "Add cool stuff" does not help at all, lol

[waxen perch]

Maybe icicles that have the spike damage property?

[untold sleet]

This tileset is disorganized as hell, lol

[fervent oar]

SNOWMAN

[languid grove]

jpg, stop bullying

[untold sleet]

Well, this is it, I'm not adding anything else

Now, here comes the most painful part

Split the palettes and make this tileset in Nitro Paint

[untold sleet]

Creepy

[fervent oar]

LMAO

Missing lands.exe creepypasta

[quick pine]

You could also do ice instead of snow on the airship

Frost

[languid grove]

creepy?

it looks like snow at night but over contrasted a bit

or in a different style of

zstar, try making a night time version of snow theme 🙏

[untold sleet]

Final result

Not that bad, but I have to say the tileset looked better in my mind...

[languid grove]

I actually like it!

which is rare

but you done here very good job and I don't think I would need to improve anything

except one thing but I think I'll just tell you tomorrow what exactly and how

[untold sleet]

I'll probably start working on 5-Airship tomorrow, I need to get some ideas first

[languid grove]

I'm talking about ported graphics, but here I'm not 100% if they're fully ported lol

if they're, then heavily modified and made very well

[untold sleet]

Almost everything here is ported and most things were heavily modified yeah

[languid grove]

you did a great job then

[untold sleet]

I always do

[waxen perch]

[untold sleet]

Made the beginning section

[quick pine]

You could do a nsmbu “boarding the airship” type starting

[untold sleet]

Not a bad idea, but I think I'm gonna keep this starting section, basic but interesting

Also, I'm gonna redo the airship theme and pray that this time the song does play, because it really bugs me playing this level with no music, lol

The main problem with the song is that I used instruments with a really high filesize

[untold sleet]

YEEEESSSSSSSSS

The airship theme is playing now

(I reduced the SWAR's size from 114KB to 83KB)

So what Illy said is true

I feel so relieved now

[quick pine]

The other option is you could of allocated a few extra kb to music

[untold sleet]

Well, bad news, I can't use snow spikes and grounded piranha plants in the same level

So I will need to find another gimmick to use in 5-Airship

[mystic rain]

oh crap...

can't this be solved with code hacks? tho it could probably mess up some stuff idk

[untold sleet]

It's not worth it

I was considering on using snow pokeys perhaps

[mystic rain]

oh maybe that could work

tho it would be a bit sad to use them on an airship rather than a traditional level

[untold sleet]

Grounded piranha plants + sinking snow piles + snow pokeys + walljump lifts

[untold sleet]

Yeah true

I just think I need to add an extra gimmick or enemy because I think the level would feel kinda empty with piranha plants only

[mystic rain]

maybe some mechanical gimmick?

oh wait enemy...

[shut glen]

i hate this specific limitation so much cause they would be a great combo

[mystic rain]

yeah...

[primal vale]

What makes them specifically a good combo?

[mystic rain]

maybe you could use spikeballs instead? tho idk if you already used them with piranha plants

[mystic rain]

snowballs killing piranha plants, which can be a cool gimmick

[primal vale]

So the piranha plants are there mainly to be killed by the other mechanic?

[mystic rain]

kinda? it could be used to unlock paths for example

sometimes they could also just be there as an obstacle

[untold sleet]

Yeah, I got really disappointed when I realized I can't use them both in the same level, I hate spritesets sometimes

[untold sleet]

I already used spiked balls in 4-A and 5-Tower, I don't really want to use them again, I also kinda ran outta ideas for spiked ball gimmicks, lol

Fun fact, I once tried to make a "domino effect" type bonus room with spiked balls but it didn't work, so I scrapped it

[mystic rain]

that's fair

[undone schooner]

how can i fimnd the demo file for this?

[tranquil thicket]

chek pins

[untold sleet]

I should have finished 5-Airship much earlier, but I didn't have much time this week

In any case the level is almost finished, expect a new video either today or tomorrow, depending on how fast I finish it or how much time I will have today

[tranquil thicket]

nice

[fervent oar]

OHHHH YEY

[untold sleet]

Dear god, I seriously wish spritesets didn't cause bosses to crash sometimes

I really hate it

[mystic rain]

wait sprite sets cause bosses to crash??

[shut glen]

yea sometimes, it’s so annoying if you want a specific combo

[untold sleet]

I literally had a really creative idea for the Petey Piranha fight, but I had to scrap it because of the fucking fight crashing

It's so stupid

[mystic rain]

i thought it would logically crash only if some elements get placed into the same area

[untold sleet]

No, enabling certain spritesets also causes the fights to crash

[subtle maple]

Hardware limitation unfortunately, not enough ram

[untold sleet]

Doesn't really surprise me at all if that's the case tbh

[primal vale]

Advantages to modding NSMB

• It's a DS game

Disadvantages to modding NSMB

• It's a DS game

[shut glen]

that’s so real lmao 😭😭

[waxen perch]

LOL

[fervent oar]

TRUE

But its a good game to mod

[untold sleet]

Truest words ever

[glass elbow]

Now I want a “true” emoji.

[quick pine]

You can’t do anything with him

[fervent oar]

I hate og nsmb bosses

Beside the fish and tank everything sucks balls

[mystic rain]

imo they're some of the most creative mainline mario bosses

tho some are too easy, and sometimes aren't in the right worlds

[fervent oar]

Dont get me wrong, theyre creativr but i think theyre too easy

Especially the final boss

[mystic rain]

for example mega goomba is a better fit in world 4

[mystic rain]

YES

[fervent oar]

Ig the way newer organized the fight made them be way more fitting for the world theyre at

[mystic rain]

i feel like we're polluting Ztardust's thread tho

[fervent oar]

Oh true

Lets go to nsmbchst

[languid grove]

wtf, stay away from me

[fervent oar]

Wait u like other bosses from nsmb? 😔

Jokes aside nsmb bosses are creative, but they werent excecuted well

[primal vale]

Specifically the fish?

[primal vale]

This is what I've been saying

[primal vale]

Oh, uh

[shut glen]

literally every 2d Mario boss is easy that atp I feel like difficulty isn’t worth rating anymore 😭, only in final bosses which yeah nsmbs sucks for that

[primal vale]

I think the issue is just that the bosses go down to quickly

Ground pound dealing double damage was cool, but I'm also glad they got rid of it with later games

The fact that fire balls are able to deplete the bosses' health without then ever reacting to it until they die is also kinda problematic

Tho the fact that you can kill Jr. by just standing still and spamming fire balls is absolutely hilarious

But, yeah

It would have been better if they always required 3 hits

[shut glen]

fair point

though I still think nsmb bosses are more creative than most of the bosses shown in modern 2d mario games, even nsmb’s final boss was more ‘creative’ by having more ‘story’ to it (still sucked as a final boss tho)

[untold sleet]

Unpopular opinion: NSMBDS bosses are much more creative than what they did in the later titles, adding the koopalings in every single New Soup

When the koopalings were added in NSMBWii, it was creative and impressive to see the koopalings back after World, but then they added them again in New Soup 2 and U which was kinda repetitive and boring

[quick pine]

The main problem is that the fights are identical

If they were unique fights then it would be fine

[untold sleet]

I still would have liked them to try original and creative bosses rather than simply limiting themselves to the koopalings, not to mention that it also makes the story monotonous and repetitive

[primal vale]

They are quite different tbh

[primal vale]

I'm not sure what makes it creative to bring back old characters

[quick pine]

I’m more so talking about Wii and 2

U had different fights for most of them, the whole three hit shell slide thing I dislike though

[primal vale]

It would be cool if they had more unique shell phases, at least

Iggy had a cool shake up on it

He's very difficult to dodge and stun lock compared to the other koopalings

[primal vale]

NSMB2 koopaling fights are certainly something

Ever think about how Larry's projectiles acts like Wendy's in that game

[fervent oar]

Thats not really interesting tho

[primal vale]

It is weird

[untold sleet]

Seeing old and iconic characters in a modern game feels refreshing

[primal vale]

Maybe

[fervent oar]

Then why they never bring up rex and eerie again? Nor blargg

[primal vale]

Wouldn't call it creative tho

[fervent oar]

Or those plants from smb3

[primal vale]

Which plants

[fervent oar]

White ones

[primal vale]

Those are in Wonder

[fervent oar]

Ah

But the other 3?

[primal vale]

Blargg is an interesting one, cause the original design has not reappeared, yet we've seen new takes on it, in the forms of Magmaarghs, Magmaws and Charvaarghs

Rexes are kinda funny in how their design hasn't made any reappearances, yet their behaviour did get reused in the form of Splunkins

Although you could argue that Rexes weren't really unique in that behaviour, since the idea of a 2-hit enemy that moves faster after being hit once is something we already saw before with Sidesteppers

[fervent oar]

But rexes should reapear imo

[primal vale]

The most notable disappearance gotta be Shy Guys tho

They have made no mainline appearances since their debut game, yet are everywhere in therms of spin-offs

[mystic rain]

shy guys haven't appeared in mainline mario games after smb2

[fervent oar]

Pretty surr 3d world and smo

They apeared

[primal vale]

Fly Guys did appear in 64 tho

[mystic rain]

yes true

[fervent oar]

Yes

And 64 ds

And nsmbds

Minigame

[mystic rain]

i dont really count minigames

[fervent oar]

But Its still part of the game tho ig

[primal vale]

It's probably because they don't really have a unique behaviour

[fervent oar]

Just goombas

[primal vale]

They were just the goombas of their game

Although we have seen Mario World's Goombas reappear as a new enemy

I think they were only in 3D World tho

[fervent oar]

In 3d world they behave the same as goombas

[primal vale]

I think you need to get your memory checked

[languid grove]

what do you expect from a 2d mario game

those super bosses SMB3 mario vs mario?

the only thing bad about every boss imo is that you can kill them in 2-3 hits

[primal vale]

3 hits is a good amount tbh

But 2 is just too little

[untold sleet]

https://youtu.be/hz1d_vuDijk

5-Airship is done, world 5 is oficially finished

[novel crypt]

Good

[tranquil thicket]

i like how the secret exit is hidden

tho the secret exit area seems a touch thematically distant from the rest of the level

[fervent oar]

WE WILL SEE W6?!

YESSSSS