SMB: The Missing Lands

[untold sleet]

Fair, next time I'll let you know, mb

[fervent oar]

Show me everything in dm jouner pls pls pls

[languid grove]

send me those stupid models

[untold sleet]

No Jouner, don't do that, I will annihilate you if you do so, specially to JPG

[fervent oar]

First update w2

[fervent oar]

He will not 😭

[languid grove]

the hell you mean first update that, I WAS THE FIRST ONE

TO ASK ABOUT THOSE

[fervent oar]

[languid grove]

YOU AINT GETTING NOTHING BEFORE I FINISH THOSE THINGS I SAID YOU IN DM'S

ESPECIALLY AFTER IGNORING ME

[fervent oar]

BUT IDK HOW TO EXTRACT MODELS WITH BONES 😭

[untold sleet]

Uhhhh, guys, could you please move this to DM's or the SSMB thread?

[fervent oar]

@languid grove wich models u want

[fervent oar]

Oki mb

[untold sleet]

Also @languid grove the dry bones decorations are also meant to be used in the blue temple variant, do you think you could make a different version of those with a blue-ish lightning in the second palette?

[languid grove]

yeah

5 seconds thing

[untold sleet]

Thank god you redid those hanging dry bones because they looked ugly

I literally took some PNG's and downscaled them

[languid grove]

yeah, i will be remaking every dry thingy, i know the style of since i try harder it for NSMBABA 😭

[untold sleet]

Also, back on the previous topic, this is what I mean, these levels use ported backgrounds

But on the other hand you have these levels that use alterations of vanilla backgrounds

[fervent oar]

Bro, dont change it, it dont looks bad

Trust me, it looks way better like this

If you change the mod will not be the same cuz yk, its kinda the charm of this

Im sure its not just me who think like that, i also think yourself think like that too

[untold sleet]

JPG, I'm bringing this up because I'm not sure about this

I don't really know if it's a good idea having multiple mixes of different styles

[fervent oar]

If people on evolution and other servers says its bad, dont give a fuck for it, they dont really like any ported graphics and even if you do this they will state smth else they dont like, it will be a loop

[fervent oar]

Tbh its not bad

And i dont really like much ported graphics anymore

But i still find your mod amazing

Just because the way you ported the graphics and the way u did everything

[languid grove]

i love zstars ported graphics

[untold sleet]

This has nothing to do with Evo people JPG, I don't gaf about what they say

[fervent oar]

If u want to change and feel like you should, go for it, its your mod, but personally i think that like this its amazing

[languid grove]

especially after i edit them

[fervent oar]

SPAWNER

SAME**

SAME MAN

[mystic rain]

honestly i feel like it works

[fervent oar]

Same = Spawner 😭

[untold sleet]

-# I sorta think y'all are starting to miss the point of what I asked

[mystic rain]

if not a bit better than the vanilla backgrounds. they match the tilesets more imo

[fervent oar]

EXACTLY

[fervent oar]

We arent, dw

The artstylea dont really clash, they actually fit

[languid grove]

i didn't read anything above, i just seen one message and said i love them

lmao

[mystic rain]

i also feel like there's a sort of limit of whether some things have a too different artstyle or not, and here i don't really think it's reached

[fervent oar]

Yea

[mystic rain]

if anything, i feel like the vanilla backgrounds give that clash feel slightly, but it's not very noticeable nor bothersome

[fervent oar]

Yep

Indeed

[shut glen]

i personally think that if the styles are different but fit nicely together then it’s fine by me

though if you’re still bothered then you can try out new things instead

[untold sleet]

I just think that I should either use more vanilla backgrounds to stablish a balance between ported and vanilla backgrounds, or directly turn all the backgrounds into vanilla or modified vanilla backgrounds so that there isn't a mix of multiple styles, other issue I have is that oftenly, it's really hard for me to make ported backgrounds look good or fitting and in the worst cases, they either don't loop correctly or they tend to suffer ugly compressions, so that's why I brought this up

Making backgrounds that work and look visually pleasant is very hard for me sometimes, specially when they're ported backgrounds

[fervent oar]

I also suffer a lot with those stuff in vanilla bgs

Even more with compression

And loop

When i make a bg i test the loop in the image editor

[untold sleet]

-# Maybe that wouldn't happen if you didn't mix a shitton of BG layers into one BG

[tranquil thicket]

so are the graphics just getting tweaked or are you trying to aim for a more nsmbds like style now

[fervent oar]

And if it works i put in game, if looks bad i edit

[fervent oar]

Fair

[shut glen]

thats a valid reasoning tbh
in that case then you could just go for it and use vanilla bgs
tho i do suggest to maybe compare how the ported bgs vs the edited vanilla bgs look like

[untold sleet]

On one hand, Jouner is modifying all my tilesets to make them look more colorful and vivid.

On the other hand, I'm starting to question if mixing too many background artstyles in this hack looks okay or if it clashes sometimes.

Clearing this up since the topics got mixed and I feel some people got confused by my question

[untold sleet]

The problem is that there are some ported backgrounds that I don't really want to get rid of, the castle, snow and beach backgrounds are a perfect example of this

It took me so much time and effort to port those backgrounds and I don't really wanna scrap them considering the work they took me

[tranquil thicket]

well regarding the tilesets i do think the revised temple looks better (mainly because of the drybones) but beyond that since i already quite like the look of many of your tilesets n i dunno how the other revised tilesetsll look yet i have no opinion
as for the bgs i think trying to replace the nsmbds-based ones with ported ones isnt a bad idea

[shut glen]

OK im kinda trying to recap
if jouner is mainly editing the tilesets for better shading and colors,
then i believe that most of the ported bgs wont really look ''clashy'', unless jouner was remaking the tilesets in the nsmb style

if there are backgrounds that you like and you want to keep, then you should keep them, or atleast consider wether they look better or not than with using the vanilla bgs

in any case i dont think that changing the bgs to vanilla ones is a bad idea, cause they can still look good and save a lot of the effort of trying to make a new one

tldr: i recommend keeping the ported background for a level if it looks better with the tileset than with a vanilla background, even if it looks clashy or not (which i personally dont think they look like so far)

[untold sleet]

Fyi, Jouner is not DS-ifying the tilesets, he's just improving their colors to make them look more vivid and less saturated

This hack will still keep using ported tilesets

[shut glen]

oh then yeah, my point still stands lol

[tranquil thicket]

do you mean more saturated

[untold sleet]

Exactly

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1312787581636841603/1378478368982433933/paintdotnet_Xxi6AW8Vxm.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1312787581636841603/1378484033033338971/paintdotnet_wye0W917I9.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1312787581636841603/1378488692460490955/paintdotnet_KaEhIcT54z.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1312787581636841603/1378490716140994570/paintdotnet_W39OfFymp4.gif

These are some examples of what Jouner is doing to my tilesets

[quick pine]

Rip that nsmb2 animated tower bg I made

[untold sleet]

That background will stay

[tranquil thicket]

def like this

the rest id prolly like to see in context before having a solid opinion on

[quick pine]

[untold sleet]

The reason why Jouner is doing this to my tilesets, is because I made a tileset which looked very bland and desaturated, and he basically improved their colors which made the tileset look ten thousand times better, and he offered to do the same thing with the rest of the tilesets in my hack, so I sent him a folder full of PNG's of all my tilesets and he's improving their colors + redrawing some details, also, lately, I have been having this feeling that ported tilesets tend to look really bland and desaturated, so I thought it would be a good idea

I suppose this is one of the main reasons why people usually dislike ported graphics in DS

And why tilesets in SMM3DS look brighter than the Wii U ones

Well, enough yapping, my head hurts from all this yappery

[quick pine]

Go to bed jpg

[fervent oar]

Ops

[quick pine]

Wrong chat

[shut glen]

dont forget to do the np method for even more vibrancy

[untold sleet]

I was planning on redoing all my tilesets using purps method anyways

Ever since I learned purps method, I don't want to use NSMBe anymore to import graphics

Shit compresses stuff so badly

[mystic rain]

well for newer backgrounds, using nsmbds-styled ones may be better in this case. but the current ported backgrounds look just fine

[untold sleet]

Man, I use backgrounds from everywhere

[fervent oar]

And its good

[untold sleet]

I use NSMB, Wii, 2, U, MKDS and also beta backgrounds

[fervent oar]

Please continue using it cuz its not bad

[fervent oar]

I use beta stuff too

[mystic rain]

tbf MKDS and NSMBDS have a similar style

2 can often fit with DS (or at least more easily than Wii and U) thanks to its vivid colors and "smaller resolution" look due to the 3ds small screen

and somehow in your hack it's done right

like IT WORKS somehow

[untold sleet]

It's mostly because since I was a kid I always thought the MKDS skyboxes could fit perfectly as NSMBDS backgrounds, that's why I decided to use some of them in the hack

[mystic rain]

oh interesting

[fathom wren]

🎉 Level Up! 🎉

Congratulations @mystic rain! You've reached a new level!

New Role

You've been given the <@&1093830095866708048> role!

Total EXP

1,000

Keep up the great work!

[river nimbus]

Gg

[outer schooner]

Guys don't overwork Jouner, he still needs to make atleast 4 tilesets for blazing adventure 😿

[untold sleet]

I didn't force him to do it, I only asked him for the worldmap icons and now he wants to "improve" absolutely everything in my hack

[outer schooner]

[languid grove]

i got tired of jpg, it's your turn just

[crimson lance]

At least 4

[languid grove]

i will probably make 5 or 6

[fervent oar]

But u didn't made my w2

If u want i let u change the paths on it too

[untold sleet]

We need to make clones of Jouner so that he can help everyone

[languid grove]

im still waiting jpg

[shut glen]

(insert that one gravity falls episode with dipper cloning himself)

[fervent oar]

After this u promisse make my w2? 🥺

[void drum]

whj

why not pay jouner for jobs

like tilese

t

s

[shut glen]

modding is a hobby not a chore so 0 gain

[void drum]

you get motivation from money

[languid grove]

if you stop ignoring me then sure

[languid grove]

i don't want money, i want clothes

[languid grove]

💀

[fervent oar]

Im not ingoring its because converting the models to obj is shahdhahsahhd 😭

[untold sleet]

I'm gonna annihilate y'all if you keep shitposting or talking about Sakura related stuff in my hack's thread

JPG shoo

[fervent oar]

And idk how to convert to .dae

[languid grove]

#the-basement

[languid grove]

[quick pine]

get the skirt :3

[quick pine]

I never played mkds

:c

Only mk7

[languid grove]

Oh trust me, I'd like to sooo much

[untold sleet]

T_T

[waxen perch]

T_T
|

[untold sleet]

So yeah, I'm working on a new level for the hack and I plan on uploading a new video once I finish it, because it's been ages since the last video I posted

I'm not gonna spoil anything from this level until it's finished, but all I'm gonna say it's that this might be the best level I've made in the entire hack

You guys will probably fall in love with this level

-# Or maybe not, who knows

[shut glen]

you're using a super based gimmick from nsmb so thats a +1

[untold sleet]

It's just crazy how I went from making the level I'm less proud of to the potential best level in the hack, but it's too early to make assumptions

Also, someone on Evo made an HD version of the hack's logo, what do you think of it?

I doubt I'll use this in the hack since 3D logos don't really fit in NSMBDS too much, but the effort is still appreciated

[waxen perch]

That looks neat

[tranquil thicket]

its very cool

could use it for the nsmbhd thread or nsmbc page

who made it

[shut glen]

damn that looks so good 😭

[shut glen]

its funny actually, i wanted to try doing this myself for other people's hacks too after making the new ++ one, starting with yours, but then i had that same thought lol

tho yeah this looks really top tier

i only think that the powerups look off cause all of them look like they got rendered differently from eachother

[shut glen]

well err not that much but def a little

[untold sleet]

I might consider using it in the hack, but I think the cartoonish version fits better, I could probably use this in my videos or in the NSMBHD/NSMBC pages as DM mentioned

[untold sleet]

It was made by an user called "Vista"

[quick pine]

Oh yeah

He made one for new++ ages ago

[languid grove]

they can fit if you put the effot in it

jk, love it

[primal vale]

Looks like they just used some kinda tool to do the outline of the text

[fervent oar]

Nah they fit a lot bro ngl

They are more "alive"

[primal vale]

You cannot be talking about what does or doesn't fit

[untold sleet]

I don't even take JPG's opinion into account because he likes absolutely everything

[untold sleet]

When I first saw the logo I thought they just used Ethonic's Logo Generator honestly

[primal vale]

I think the logo generator would have a better looking outline

This gives me pdn plugin vibes

[untold sleet]

Fair

[fervent oar]

But use it, it looks col

[primal vale]

I'm not sure if I even know what the current logo looks like

[untold sleet]

Hold on

Original logo VS. 3D logo

[fervent oar]

3d definitelly

[primal vale]

Can you post them as separate messages

[untold sleet]

Just open the images smh

[primal vale]

Trying to view the whole image displays it on a black background 😭

[primal vale]

Thank you

[untold sleet]

Thanks Ndy

[fervent oar]

Oh u send it already

[untold sleet]

Bro

[waxen perch]

JPG go work on pink leaf mod

[shut glen]

wait this logo was made in photoshop or something? honestly I thought they prerendered it with ethonic’s lighting lmao

-# why did it say I was replying to ndy when I was replying to baron……?

tho yeah I do see a bit how it could have been made with just photoshopping

[primal vale]

It probably would look better if it was

[languid grove]

those power ups are so beatiful

i might try to recreate the stars colours

and mushrooms

[primal vale]

Those icons are from MK World, in case you didn't know

[untold sleet]

I pretty much noticed at first glance due to the artstyle

[primal vale]

The recolouring of the shell looks a little bit off tho

[untold sleet]

Looks alright to me, probably because it's kinda meant to represent the blue shell from NSMBDS

[primal vale]

Looks weird to me

[primal vale]

The lack off anti aliasing on the "Super Mario Bros." looks kinda bad, especially when the powerup icons and "The Missing Lands" do have it

Although it'd be impossible to tell from ingame or a YouTube thumbnail, so ig it really doesn't matter that much

Bigger issue for me is the inconsistent edge style between the SMB and the subtitle

The SMB is sharp while the TML is rounded

[untold sleet]

Feel free to improve the logo if you think it has any flaws, I'm not an expert on logo making and that logo wasn't even made by me, so

This was the old logo the hack used to have before the new one was made

It's very crappy, it took me like 7 hours to make that goddamn logo (my image editing skills weren't that good back in the time)

||-# The worst of all is that I made this logo in MS Paint 😭||

[primal vale]

I spent longer on a logo once

Mod ended up getting cancelled

Tho they released it as a level pack

[untold sleet]

Average NSMBU modding moment /j

[primal vale]

But they used a different logo for it

[untold sleet]

New level finished https://youtu.be/teffapdvs4k

[languid grove]

👿

[languid grove]

old and new version of the tileset btw

[untold sleet]

?

[languid grove]

-# i wanted you to wait a bit

[untold sleet]

Be faster next time

[languid grove]

no graphics for you

-# jk

-# you're can even get from me a custom map now

[untold sleet]

I'm fine with tilesets only, if I need help for something in particular I will ask you, the rest of the graphics are not in my priorities right now

[shut glen]

DAMN this is super good, love the aesthetic and visuals
the design is also really explorative which is tops

you didn’t lie about what you said

well done

[languid grove]

btw, the bg was pre-rendered (yeah, that shit model that i showed in general)

[fervent oar]

-# wheres my w2 map 😭

[languid grove]

rest of it was drawing

[shut glen]

honestly I thought it was prerendered too lol

[fervent oar]

Peak

[fervent oar]

Bro thats peak

[shut glen]

the yoshi and toad design is so creative 😭

[languid grove]

Jpg, i told you that i will do it after ** i'll do everything i wanted to do before** i mean those models i asked in dm's

you still even didnt' show me how new w1 looks in game

[fervent oar]

[languid grove]

i redrew most of it anyway so kinda

[fervent oar]

-# its because im kinda afraid of sending the rex and other enemies wich i animated with bones befor because reanimating with bones is pain 😭
The mecha koopa and eerie and other morels i plan reanimating tho

[languid grove]

bro, i just want to improve the textures and some meshesh 😭

[fervent oar]

But it would need to reanimate cuz blender mess up the bones with Imd editing idk why 😭

[languid grove]

jpg don't annoy me

[fervent oar]

😭

[languid grove]

[languid grove]

Anyway, note that the bg is still not finished

zstar just got too excited and showed it earlier

[fervent oar]

Could u first do the w2 and later this pls? 🥺
Ill send eerie in dm's btw

[languid grove]

jpg, if you want to overwhelm me with things and make me stop with everything after a week then sure 😭

[fervent oar]

I dont want to overwhelm u 😭
Fine ill send the models, would u mind if i didn't sent rex because reanimating is pain

The enemy ones i mean

[languid grove]

you can import your models whenever you can, you don't have to do it the moment i finish

[fervent oar]

Wait yea true, ill do it with all the models tho, then ill then ill rig new rex with old rex bones

I have a idea for animating eerie

[languid grove]

golden yosh

that looks cute tbh

[shut glen]

reminds me of crafted world’s coins

[untold sleet]

JPG, I swear to god I'm gonna strangle you if you keep flooding my thread with Sakura-related conversation

[untold sleet]

Also, tysm Frosty

[dreamy void]

excelent work @untold sleet but change the music with this music

[languid grove]

youtube kids ad music

[untold sleet]

No

It took me hours to make the Sweet Sweet Canyon rearrangement and I honestly like it better

[dreamy void]

only sugestion but sweet sweet canyon is cool 🙂

[languid grove]

Zstar, i would increase the saturation of the pipes

they look bland too 😭

i noticed it earlier and forgot to say

[untold sleet]

I was actually planning to change the pipes by the ones you made a while ago, but idk

[tranquil thicket]

its neat but imo the level looks a bit busy

visually

[shut glen]

yeah i forgot to mention this aswell, there looks like there’s too much going on visually

[tranquil thicket]

im not quite sure why but maybe its the abundance of different colours used between the fg and bg

[quick pine]

pretty solid level

reminds me of a level idea I had that was a chocolate mountain with chocolate waterfalls and stuff

[languid grove]

I can make you more nsmbu version or whatever

bro I can even make you new koopas or goombas so you wouldn't have n*wer ones 😭

-# tho it would take a long time

[shut glen]

don’t make me make custom ones for fj

[languid grove]

if I were bored I would done it, or atleast 3d models with render settings so you could animate it yourself 😎

[potent fog]

nah yosh became a choco bar 🥀

[languid grove]

I wanted to make it more detailed but I had no more ideas sadly 😔

[untold sleet]

I actually need new goombas and koopas because Newer ones are ass

[languid grove]

they're okay, I just see them too much 😭

[untold sleet]

Well, in any case, good luck if you make them, because you would have to draw a bunch of sprites for every frame, lmao

[languid grove]

pre rendering exists

[untold sleet]

You would still have to do some manual tweaks if you're gonna prerender them

[languid grove]

5 minutes

jk

[untold sleet]

On another topic, I really want to do something for the hack, but I don't know what exactly and I'm not gonna have much time nor be very active today

[fervent oar]

Use vanilla koopas

Theyre cool

Yeyeyeyeye

[void drum]

make a sectret ztar level that you can access with the following things:

• you need to go to the coordinates N"69696969 Z"69696969 and bury a usb stick there containing ztar.nds

-Ztar.nds is an usual mod however with the following things u can enter the super secret ztar level:

[untold sleet]

JPG months ago: Vanilla Koopas are ass bro 🤮
JPG now: Bro, tbh, you should use vanilla koopas in your mod ngl, they're cool fr fr

[void drum]

1. You need to 56% finish the game, meaning world 4-6 has to be atleast finished

2. Then if you did that when going to the home menu and pressing SEL+START+A+B you access a level menu

then with an passcode combination of 2 to the 48 power you can access the ztar level

you can easily do this with enpg's ds Math etc..

[fervent oar]

Bro,I hate newer koopas cuz theyre bad tbh, ngl it looks weird and bad colors fr fr fr

[void drum]

then the ztar level you have to collect 5 star coins and the hardest of all; touch grass

[fervent oar]

Ill make a room in sm64 full of eyes watching at the distance, when i finish can i show?

[void drum]

AND VERY SPECIFICLY WORLD 4-6 HAS TO BE FINISHED WITH THE 2ND STAR COIN ONLY

[untold sleet]

Gonna have to make people solve a super really complex math equation to find the password to the secret ztar level and the ztar level will be a rage-ing kaizo

[void drum]

possible.

[fervent oar]

What is lzar tvel

,yar lê el

FUCK

[void drum]

Yar le el?

[fervent oar]

Ztar level*

[untold sleet]

Even tho I'm not good at making kaizo levels, I could try making a hidden one in case people wants to smash their devices against the wall

[fervent oar]

Yeyeyeyeye

I want to smash the wall against my devices

My blender strangled me, what to do

[languid grove]

lmao true

i can improve original koopas

i really like them

but i hate it's colours

[fervent oar]

I love them

[languid grove]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-lie-detector-cap-you-are-lying-stop-lying-gif-12198388917433403789

[fervent oar]

Ztar learn blender and Cook good stuff

[untold sleet]

My laptop after installing Blender ---> 💥

[fervent oar]

Oh

[outer schooner]

True, they look great

I can understand with vanilla goombas are weird

But vanilla koopas look great

[outer schooner]

Give u a 3d look too despite being 2d

[fervent oar]

I dont like the vanilla goombas, but the koopas i do

YEA

[shut glen]

the vanilla goombas have like one frame that makes them look cut off 😔
-# unless its mvlo messing with me

[untold sleet]

Bro, I don't want to use vanilla goombas and koopas, I want new ones, that's why I took Newer ones

[outer schooner]

But they're not new

They're newer

[languid grove]

newer ones seem to be shitty downscaled versions

especially koopa

[fervent oar]

Sm64 fun fact:
They use a fucking flowers on a house picture for metal mario

AND ITS IN THE FILES

Wait no obviously its in the files

[untold sleet]

JPG, this has nothing to do with the current conversation

[languid grove]

And it works, guess why? very low resolution of the texture and screen resolution

[untold sleet]

Indeed, that's why I think they're ass, I'm using them in the hack as placeholders for now

[languid grove]

hm, i'll see today what i can make with few minutes in blender with koopa model

maybe it will look alr with basic shading

lol

[void drum]

you could make an 3d model koopa as a actor

not recommended tho

[languid grove]

@untold sleet

[void drum]

looks like nsmb2 koopa but downscaled

nice tho

[languid grove]

i hate this animation already

his legs movement is so weird at first frames

[untold sleet]

Looks great, but I think the pupils should be bigger

[shut glen]

honestly doesnt look bad, just looks too blurry lol

[shut glen]

like the style IS blurry, but this one just looks TOO blurry.?

[languid grove]

that's the least problem...

[shut glen]

-# btw u can change this easily in render -> film

[untold sleet]

I believe Jouner is gonna fix the blurriness anyways

[languid grove]

thanks, i know it tho

fun

[outer schooner]

Great stuff

I love seeing pre-rendering process

[languid grove]

Do you want it to be released public or for only your hack?

The community would've been free from newer enemies lmao

[untold sleet]

I honestly don't care, feel free to make it public

~~Only problem is that if you make them public now every single currently developed hack will start using them, specially SSMB ~~

[languid grove]

the moment jpg uses it, i will stop doing him anything

joking.

after slight edits

[untold sleet]

Anyway, I can't wait to see 'em finished I like how they're turning out so far

[languid grove]

what i will get it for this, it's time consuming work, it will take me longer than the bg i made you

jk, do not even credit me for that

[untold sleet]

You get 50 Ztar Coins

Also Jouner, keep in mind that you will also have to make the paratroopa and paragoomba frames

Take a look at "I_kuribo256_ncg.bin" and "I_knokonoko256_ncg.bin" in the obj folder to use them as a reference and know how many frames you have to make

They use the enemy palettes

[languid grove]

wauifwuiafuwahfwuha

[languid grove]

there is no code hack for its own colours?

holy shit

[shut glen]

these are the files it uses

[untold sleet]

No

[shut glen]

honestly i've no idea what the ''nokonoko256_ncl.bin'' was for lol, maybe unused

[untold sleet]

But don't worry about that, I'll find a workaround

[shut glen]

dont forget to send gif when its done

[languid grove]

sure

now im curious how the goomba will look like

[untold sleet]

Actually Jouner, when you finish the goomba and the koopa, do you think you could make a Boo? It only uses 4 frames

I want to use a new Boo but I don't want to use Newer one cuz it looks like shit

[languid grove]

i can make you eerie instead

sure

[fervent oar]

NO 😭

[fervent oar]

I should start making smw boo's too ngl

[untold sleet]

🤮

[languid grove]

lmao

[mystic rain]

HOLY THEY LOOK SO GOOD. they kinda give that wonder vibe i think

[languid grove]

Actually, i think i will ask for credit\

for the first time lol

[fervent oar]

DONT SAY THAT ABOUT EERIE, STOP 😭

[mystic rain]

honestly i feel like you probably should

[languid grove]

why should i?

[mystic rain]

because this looks like it's taking a lot of efforts

[languid grove]

hm, i'll see yet

[mystic rain]

it's up to you tho but i feel like you deserve to be credited

(btw i just checked: i did credit you on nsmbhd)

[languid grove]

wait, nsmbhd??

[untold sleet]

[mystic rain]

yes in the TRQ post

[hoary patio]

i love this jouner, keep up the work!

[languid grove]

finally 😭

[languid grove]

🫶

[languid grove]

1. Pre rendered without changes. 2. Original. 3. Improved 1.

[gritty karma]

From what game is the model from?

[languid grove]

nsmb2

[gritty karma]

Ah

[fervent oar]

Looke like nsmb2 koopa but looks cool too!

[languid grove]

jpg, dont annoy me

[gritty karma]

The koopas you rendered look cute, I want to hug them so bad...

The one In the middle not tho

He's stinki

[fervent oar]

What i did 😭

[mystic rain]

https://tenor.com/view/rfirered-stinky-gif-18067640

[fervent oar]

LMAOOO

[mystic rain]

(replying to this)

[languid grove]

ITS LITERALLTY NSMB2 MODEL BUT RENDERED

[fervent oar]

Oh this explains why it looks like nsmb2 koopa

[languid grove]

THIS WILL BE U

you*

[fervent oar]

If he added "Hey" instead of "he's" it would be more funny, still i love this gif ngl

[mystic rain]

yeah. but it's what it made me think about so

[fervent oar]

i casually forgot to conplete the text before sending 😭

[outer schooner]

What?? But there is a DS koopa model already (unused tho)

[shut glen]

that model is really bad

wouldnt look good even if you prerendered it 😭

[outer schooner]

Unfinished?

[shut glen]

not sure

[outer schooner]

I cant remember or why else would it be bad

[shut glen]

but like, the hand is a texture

[outer schooner]

Didn't newer use it

For the big koopas in w7

[shut glen]

actually i wouldnt say the model is actually bad but it def wouldnt look as good as the nsmb2 one in this prerender .p

since its too low poly and the hand thing i mentioned

[outer schooner]

If someone has time and is bored to death he/she could do a side comparison

Because you're just assuming it and don't actually know it, loser 🤥

[shut glen]

im right anyways so jokes on you

[untold sleet]

Nice

What about the paratroopas tho?

[languid grove]

Yeah, I decided on nsmb2, it's not much different from nsmbds one and I find it more beatiful

even if I choosed wonder one it wouldn't be a big difference

[languid grove]

the resolution wouldn't make that visible...

[shut glen]

i know but still!

[languid grove]

focusing only on the walking ones

[shut glen]

i think wonder koopas are more horizontal than vertical compared to the new soup ones

so it would have been harder to work with those anyway likely lol

[languid grove]

idk tbh, it wouldn't for me make a much difference

[tranquil thicket]

do you have a gif of it by chance

[languid grove]

^ i was actually making this thing, i dont have time for manually doing that

[untold sleet]

I will show how it looks in game after you finish it, don't worry about making gifs

[languid grove]

gifs are slay

💅

[languid grove]

Tbh, just from this gif i love how i managed to do the anims

i throught they will be worse

i hate animating with lot's of frames

[tranquil thicket]

gotcha

looks good so far

[quick pine]

those look really clean

it reminds me I need to touch up my goombas a lil but

[untold sleet]

What do you guys think about posting the candyland tileset in #1207793065524199455?

The tileset isn't technically made by me, and one of the public resource rules states that you should only post assets made by yourself, so I'm hesitant

-# Actually, I feel I should have asked Ndy about this instead of bringing it up here, but oh well

[shut glen]

@waxen perch answer

[waxen perch]

Either:
a) If the creator only let you use it, get permission first
b) If it's a public resource (and does not say "don't redistribute"), clearly indicate that it was not made by you in your post

[untold sleet]

The person who made the tileset said that none of his assets require credit or permission, so I'd like to assume that's still valid? I was planning on crediting him anyways, I did so in my video

[waxen perch]

You should link back to the oringal post imo

But yeah that's fine

[untold sleet]

The thing is that the tileset was heavily modified by Jouner, since the original tileset was very desaturated, and Jouner basically made it more colorful

[untold sleet]

Here, the left picture is the original tileset and the right picture is the improved version by Jouner

[shut glen]

could do some thing like
you indícate that someone else made the tileset but that jouner improved it, and then you link the original tileset in the same spot whilst posting the improved version

[untold sleet]

Yeah, that was what I was planning, I was gonna credit both Jouner and YoshiGo99 for the tileset and also provide a link to the page where the original tileset comes from

[tranquil thicket]

did yoshigo make the cookie tileset

i thought it was something unused from newer ww

ii

[untold sleet]

There's an unused cookie tileset in Newer Wii but it's different

[tranquil thicket]

ah gotcha

[untold sleet]

I'm trying to make a puzzle level, but I'm really bad at making puzzle-ish levels

I think I'm gonna have to sketch the level in a drawing so I don't end up making a level that I'm not proud of again

[tranquil thicket]

could look to mm2 for inspo maybe

or the swer level or somea the ghost houses in the other maro games

[fervent oar]

Yt recomended me a video or your mod

On the TV

Its the old and new grassland comparision

[untold sleet]

I seriously want to work on a new level, but I don't know which one start with and my mind is kinda empty right now, I only need to make 4 more levels to finish world 5

I'm undecided whether to start working on 5-Ghosthouse, 5-C or 5-4

I made a concept for 5-C, but I didn't like how it was turning out, so I might need to start over from scratch

[shut glen]

doesnt answer your question per se but if you think you're out of ideas i recommend you play older nintendo games from ds or before for inspiration and ideas

maybe you could start with 5-4

[untold sleet]

I was actually playing SMB3 some hours ago, lmao

Not exactly the best game to get inspiration from tho

[tranquil thicket]

por que no

[shut glen]

i suppose the level design lmao

not really explorative, just straightforward and semi difficult

[untold sleet]

I think SMB3 has a very basic level design, and I don't really think you can get much ideas by playing it

I personally get more inspiration from World than 3

[tranquil thicket]

ic

[untold sleet]

Yeah and many levels in SMB3 feel like they were made by a 5 y/o kid, lmao

It's still one of my favorite Mario games tho

[tranquil thicket]

could flip a coin

[untold sleet]

I'm between 5-Ghosthouse and 5-4 tbh

5-Ghosthouse would take me longer since 5-4 has only 1 area

Also I have an ethical question

Let's say there's a secret exit or star coin that requires a bug to be obtained, would you consider that as unfair?

[mystic rain]

it may depend on the bug, how well known it is, and how easy/hard is it to pull it off

[untold sleet]

How about the ghost stairs bug?

Basically, if you keep running and jumping on an 1x1 staircase, the player will fall down the stairs

[mystic rain]

well i never heard about it before

[untold sleet]

This is the bug I'm talking about

[shut glen]

i'd argue thats unfair
feels pretty inconsistent

if the bug was consistent i'd say its maybe fair

[untold sleet]

Alright

[river nimbus]

At first I thought the bug was Mario's feet clipping through the ground a little

[river nimbus]

If possible, maybe a hidden switch where it allows you to get to the secret area

[untold sleet]

I decided to start working on 5-Ghosthouse

This is what I've done so far, and this is only the first half of the level

I still need to decorate some rooms, I'll also need to split this into two areas because as always, the level gets glitchy when you re-enter it

Sometimes I seriously hate the way Nintendo coded this game

Anyways, I'll continue this level tomorrow, it's 3AM for me

[tranquil thicket]

oh goop level

neat

[tranquil thicket]

outta curiosity glitchy how so

[untold sleet]

I placed a bunch of sprites in this level, and if you exceed a certain limit of sprites in a level, some of them will not work or directly won't appear after you re-enter the level

To prevent this from happening I must delete some sprites/actors from the level, which is something I don't really wanna do

I guess I could delete the splunkins, since they aren't really needed here

[tranquil thicket]

ic

[untold sleet]

Ok, I managed to fix the glitchyness in this level by using the area overflow bug

This is like the fifth time I have to use the area overflow bug in world 5

I seriously need to stop overdoing my levels

[untold sleet]

Some spoilers from 5-Ghosthouse

I need to start working on the second half, but working on this level for so long has made me run outta ideas

[languid grove]

make luigi mansion type of theme and my life is yours

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-ares-destroy-my-enemies-and-my-life-is-yours-gif-7965707800203237625

[untold sleet]

I seriously want to redo my older levels, but I feel I should do that when I'm more close to finish the game

So many things I want to do and I can't decide what to do first 😔

[fervent oar]

RELEASE THE GAMEEEEE

NOWWWWWWWW fucking explodes

[untold sleet]

Dawg, the hack is not finished yet

But if I reach 2k subs in my channel, I will release a new demo including all the cannon levels

I only need 90 more subs to reach that goal

[fervent oar]

I DONT CAREEEE I WANT TO PLAY IT NAAHHASHHASHAH

[fervent oar]

Bet ill create 90 alts

[untold sleet]

I didn't know you were The Legend

[fervent oar]

I forgot about the alt incident

But not joking i have 12 alt accounts on yt, and i only use 2 of them 😭

One of them was suposed to be about shorts, but i ended up never posting on it, so i use it to watch videos

[shut glen]

-# i didnt know he was you know who

[untold sleet]

The one who shall not be named

[quick pine]

I dont get how you have so much motivation for levels lol, that level looks amazing

[shut glen]

true

all my motivation for my hack nowadays has been anything but actual levels 😭

[quick pine]

My level motivation is gone rn, I want to work on them but im way to busy with school

[mystic rain]

y'all keep saying that stuff, i literally barely touched the hack for months now

except for song stuff

still counts as "barely" i think

and helping Ninetie with 4-Tower (she made a bit of progress)

and this is not the TRQ thread so i'll stop

[untold sleet]

Me neither, lmao

90% of the times I just open NSMBe and start messing around until the ideas naturally start coming on their own

And I'm at a point where I want to release this hack as soon as possible, so I will try to solely focus on levels while I have time and motivation

Zero procrastination from now on

[untold sleet]

One of my biggest nightmares when making custom music

Why can't midi composers be normal and put all the drum samples into separate tracks instead of a single one?

[fervent oar]

Wait

Bruh

Sorry

[untold sleet]

Sometimes I wonder if you're doing this on purpose

[shut glen]

wait who deleted the messages i was so confused lol

[untold sleet]

Me

[shut glen]

oh

[fervent oar]

I swar i dont 😭

[shut glen]

i mean to be fair
usually percussion instruments (in soundfonts) are in a set like key splits (you can see it in nsmb and other ds games) so different keys play different instruments, so instead of having to overload the midi with multiple tracks (and to use more channels), they just use the same one but with a key split instrument

but yeah making them separate tracks is more editable lol

[untold sleet]

I know that, it's just so annoying when it comes to rearranging the song

And the bank I'm trying to adapt this song to doesn't have good drums, and that makes it even more difficult

I'm trying to make this song work in BANK_WORLD_ALL

Can you guess the song by listening to the drums only?

[fervent oar]

Nah

But probably sounds cool in the original song

[shut glen]

yeah no idea 😔

tho it does sound a lil familiar 😭

[shut glen]

....wait
is this for anything beach related

[untold sleet]

Maybe adding the bass would help you to recognize the song

[fervent oar]

Those huahua remembers me of the baldis basics theme 😭
Seens to be.... idk bro im dumb 😭
Koopa beach ig?

[shut glen]

i thought it was a super sluggers song but nvm

[shut glen]

true it reminds me of baldi lol

[fervent oar]

https://youtu.be/JyucizbsCV4?si=0Zrr_FHEueWpIywR

[untold sleet]

Last opportunity

[fervent oar]

Mario and luigi theme

Seens to be from a mario and luigi game

[shut glen]

wait,,

ugh i need to search

but i think ik from what game it is

[fervent oar]

I heard smth similar somewhere in a mario and luigi gameplay a time ago

[untold sleet]

It is from Mario, but not Mario & Luigi

[fervent oar]

Mario kart?

64?

Mario party?

[shut glen]

nvm i dont know

but im thinking its from a yoshi game

[fervent oar]

Yoshi story?

[untold sleet]

Game over, it was this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tzO-pVwces&t=52s&pp=ygUXeW9zaGkncyB0cm9waWNhbCBpc2xhbmQ%3D

[shut glen]

i said yoshi so that counts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bDtzHdISkc also by super sluggers song i was talking about this

it doesnt really sound like it but it reminded me of it 😭

[fervent oar]

I GUESSED, I SAID MARIO PARTY

[mystic rain]

ofc it's a song i've heard like once in my lifetime

i had guessed maybe a song from mario sunshine

[untold sleet]

Alright, I'll send a song that will be much easier to guess

If you do not guess this song, you're definitely not a Missing Lands fan

[shut glen]

yeah this is a really easy guess lmao,,,

[shut glen]

||TML overworld theme (aka M&L Partners In Time Tutorial Theme)||

[untold sleet]

Frosty is a real Missing Lands fan

[untold sleet]

Fun

I will have to optimize this song a lot

[shut glen]

16 tracks 😭😭😭

[untold sleet]

It has more than that

But I can reduce them, trust

I have my secret techniques for situations like these

[untold sleet]

Final result

Doesn't really sound very beach-y, but at least sounds better than the previous version

The LMMS project had 18 channels, and I managed to reduce the amount of channels to 9

Basically half of the tracks

[crimson lance]

That instrument is also in several Paper Mario songs iirc

[mystic rain]

forget what i said about "heard once in my lifetime" 😭

it does sound quite beach-y

[crimson lance]

^

[waxen perch]

https://tenor.com/view/pina-colada-mario-mario-party-vacation-lounging-gif-10236881663423831432

[shut glen]

if you add steel drums to a song its immediately beachy cause thats nintendo's music philosophy

btw it sounds nice and catch, good job

[untold sleet]

True

A beach song is not a beach song if it doesn't have steel drums

Now time to redo my airship theme, cuz the current one isn't very good

[untold sleet]

Done

[untold sleet]

... I imported the song in game but for some reason is not playing

[shut glen]

how big are the swar and sseq

[untold sleet]

The SWAR is 114KB and the SSEQ is 8,5KB

The song doesn't play in a clean ROM either

[shut glen]

could potentially be the swar?
try getting like around 100kb at most

wait but does it play properly in nitro studio tho

[untold sleet]

It does

But you're probably right, it must be the SWAR, I just checked my SDAT and this is the biggest SWAR so far

I'll probably have to change some instruments in that case

I thought the sound heap increase code hack prevented this

[shut glen]

wait speaking of which, do mvsl levels work properly on tml 🤔

cause for some reason that code hack + the actor extension one cause mvsl to not work in fj

[untold sleet]

Last time I tested them they worked fine

Also, I reduced the SWAR's size and the song still doesn't play

I've made a billion songs over time and I never faced an issue like this before

Must be a problem with the song itself, lemme try something

[shut glen]

have you tried exporting the individual files and then replacing them again in nitro studio

-# i've had to do this a lot cause it doesnt save them properly 😭

[untold sleet]

Ok no, the song still doesn't want to play

What the fuck is going on...

Ok, I give up with this, I don't know what the fuck is happening

This game and this song are spitting me on my face

[quick pine]

120kb is the max file size

And ur over that

[untold sleet]

The SWAR is 114 so I'm just 6 KB away from the limit

Also, I just tested the song on a clean ROM and now the song plays

[quick pine]

The sseq is 8 though

That gets u 124

[untold sleet]

So, one of the music related code hacks I have must be what's causing this problem

[untold sleet]

Do y'all think tiling the ground like this is alright or does it look odd?

I want to try something different, but I would preffer hearing your opinions

[shut glen]

i like how it looks quite varied but it may lead to make the player think that they can walk through/that the ground is semisolid

[untold sleet]

It could probably be a nice idea for a secret exit

[quick pine]

no, the lighting on the tiles infront is the same as the ones behind. That makes it feel weird to me

[raven spindle]

Insane level design, I love it

[languid grove]

i throught those were semi solids lol

Too much tbh

maybe try the same way i did in pinkleaf level showcase?

but with more variation

it shouldnt be as confusing then

[mystic rain]

honestly it feels kinda trippy 😭
idk which are semisolids and which aren't

[primal vale]

I'm sorry if I'm sounding harsh, but this looks terrible

[fervent oar]

Eh no it dont

[gritty karma]

It doesn't look terrible, it's just a bit strange way of tiling a level, speaking of that, if that's a semisolid then it's fine, but if not, it's pretty strange...

[untold sleet]

It's alright, I pretty much knew y'all wouldn't like it, even I had doubts whether it looked good or not, that's why I decided to ask first

[mystic rain]

honestly i feel like if you do that only partially (eg. only adding ground that is inside other ground, like the rightmost ground structure) it could work

edit: i think you also did something similar with Jouner's desert tileset

[fervent oar]

Now looking better.... yea it does 😭

Yea dont do that ztar

[river nimbus]

It looks odd but the sm64 trees fit very well

[primal vale]

They should be bigger tho

[untold sleet]

I cannot make the trees bigger because I don't have any more space in the tileset

And the size of the trees is fine imo, it's accurate to their original size in SM64/DS

I literally just grabbed the tree texture from SM64, edited the colors a bit, and pasted it into the tileset, lmao

[mystic rain]

oh so that's why it looks more saturated and lighter than before

[languid grove]

remember yall that yall can take from my pinkleaf tileset that tree design

wtf, my english

[mystic rain]

yeah the thing is that i don't really have a tileset to use it

[untold sleet]

It's also because Jouner took all my tilesets and made them more colorful and saturated

I already imported three of the remastered Jouner's tilesets, but I still need to import a ton of them

Making tilesets in Nitro Paint is so time consuming

[mystic rain]

oh ok

tho i was specifically talking about the tree

[untold sleet]

The precedent still stands

But yeah, I initially changed its colors to match better with the grass

[void drum]

is this New Super Mario Bros DS

[untold sleet]

No, it's Mario Kart Wii

[shut glen]

‘’ds’’

[novel crypt]

No, it's Mario Kart N64

[mystic rain]

it's Super Mario 63

[untold sleet]

Progress on this hack has been slowed down a lot due to lack of time and a little bit of motivation

I haven't finished 5-Ghosthouse yet and I have been working on this level for more than one week, I seriously dislike when I drag on a level for too long, it kills my motivation real quickly

And I still have a bunch of things to do and I can't manage to finish everything on time

[untold sleet]

I finally finished 5-Ghosthouse, this level took so long

Average Ztardust level (Part 2):

Only three more levels to finish world 5

I can't wait to start working on world 6

[mystic rain]

THIS IS A FREAKING MAZE

SMB: The Maze-y Lands

tho it seems pretty fun

but i'm getting worried. your levels are getting increasingly long, and are getting more and more of a maze structure

[gritty karma]

WOAH COOL AF

[mystic rain]

that doesn't mean that it's not fun, but i feel like it could be a problem for a few reasons, mainly because the levels could be too long, they could make someone feel lost, and their structure starts to become a bit similar

[gritty karma]

Also, do you plan on releasing any new demo soon?

[mystic rain]

i'm genuinely sorry if my reaction came across as rude or hateful

i think this kind of level structure is fine if it was only in a few levels (for example only the ghost houses). but lately your levels have been feeling increasingly large, long, and maze-like

[untold sleet]

No, I understand your reaction, I'm having the same concern too, I always try to make more traditional and shorter levels, but I just end up making crazy shit like this, which is why I'm starting to feel my level design is too questionable, as much as I try I always end up making the same thing which kinda frustrates me to some extent

I'll probably end up scrapping or redoing most of my levels (specially in world 5), since this hack is starting to turn too SKJmin-esque

[mystic rain]

can i maybe try to suggest some things though?

[untold sleet]

Also, this level is not exactly a maze, it's mostly a linear path with 2 routes (normal exit route and secret exit route)

[gritty karma]

I personally like your level design, as I always liked games that let you explore, so mixing Nsmb and exploration is pretty much your level design style,and that's why it's unique

[mystic rain]

yeah. tho i feel kinda lost in it

[untold sleet]

Also, regarding this, I plan on releasing a patch containing all the warpcannon levels once I reach 2K subs in my channel, so I guess that kinda counts as a new demo

[gritty karma]

Only warp cannon levels?

[mystic rain]

It seems like your levels tend to have a lot of puzzle-based elements, such as switches and tile gods. I would suggest avoiding to use these too much, and only including them in some levels or some bonus rooms.

Your levels also tend to be huge in size in the y axis, and be less linear. While I think that less linear levels can be refreshing, it starts to feel like too much. I also feel like the lack of linearity contributes to the level feeling long and maze-y. To avoid this, i would suggest making the main path mostly linear, going from left to right/downwards to upwards (or any variation of that), and eventually adding a few embranchement paths here and there for bonus rooms or other stuff. Also maybe try to limit yourself to 1 or 2 chunks in height for the main path, you don't have to do this but it could help. But try to make it somewhat linear.

Look at your older levels, and also others' levels or Nintendo's as inspiration i guess (tho i feel like the tip above would help more).

For gimmicks, you could probably introduce them slowly, then make them more difficult to use/avoid (if they're obstacles), as you go in the level, and also using them in conjuction with other gimmicks. tho i'm guessing you already do that?

Your levels lately also seem to be very puzzle-based. While it's nice to have a bunch of puzzles from time to time, I think it would be better to keep most of them in bonus rooms (unless the level itself is meant to be puzzle-based). Instead maybe focus a bit more on creative ways the gimmicks can be used without involving puzzles

My tips are kinda all over the place, but i hope they help

Also if you decide to scrap these levels, I would suggest to still keep them somewhere else, for example a maze-based mini-hack. Because they seem pretty fun, it would be sad to see them go

[untold sleet]

I'll very likely scrap all these levels and start world 5 from scratch

[gritty karma]

Noooo

[mystic rain]

not all world 5 levels should be scrapped imo, if you really wanna scrap them

you could also have some of them being repurposed as ghost house levels or something, since i feel like they could still be a specific kind of levels that can be found in the hack

[untold sleet]

I don't wanna scrap them, but you're right, most people will play this hack and they'll very likely get sick of playing too many long levels, which is why I want to get rid of them (even tho I spent hours working on these levels

[languid grove]

gelatin for autumn theme?

• noted

[mystic rain]

as i said, maybe you could make a level pack or something

[mystic rain]

5-Tower feels linear and in-line with the first levels in the hack. Also I think i liked 5-1 which, despite being pretty exploration-based, also felt pretty linear

[untold sleet]

Idk

I need some time to think what the hell I'm gonna do at this point

I'm not even feeling proud of my own hack anymore despite all the effort and time I put in it

[mystic rain]

don't feel this way please, your hack looks very fun and unique. i think i even took (and wanna take) some inspiration from yours

i'm just afraid that the gameplay style has changed too much for some levels. it's not inherently bad or anything, heck these levels look fun, unique, and make me want to explore them. but i feel like they're inconsistent and not very in-line with the rest of the hack. this doesn't mean that your hack is bad

oh also i wanted to add: i really like how your hack feels very exploration-based, with a bunch of puzzles here and there. the problem is that the first few levels barely have this, and some of the latest levels have too much of this. i feel like it would be good to try to find a balance. you've managed to find this balance for a good portion of the levels in your hack, but unfortunately not for some others (either because they were made before this aspect of the hack started to appear or because it became too intense in your latest levels). i think what might be good to do is to find this balance again somehow.

These exploration-based elements makes your hack pretty unique in my opinion, and it's a great idea. I just feel like it was executed better in some levels than in some others. And very often, with innovative ideas, it might need trial and error to be executed properly, and see what works or not.

Please don't feel un-proud of your hack...
:(

[fervent oar]

I wanted a video about it

[fervent oar]

Yea it looks fun

[fervent oar]

Yea, your hack is so unique and im proud of you for it ngl, you're doing the best work

[fervent oar]

Dont feel unproud of your mod :c
It looks so good and its a really nice nsmb hack :c

[fervent oar]

Tbh I wouldn't feel bored playing long levels, actually i wished more nsmb hacks had long levels cuz most of them i beat in like 2-3 hours and i always feel like "it was fun but i wish there was more to play :<"

[shut glen]

just gonna pop in to say that if you dont wanna scrap a level entirely you can reuse it's concept with alternate design
the candy level (5-b?) that you made looked like a traditional level honestly, it was pretty linear while stilll having a lot of explorative, you could take inspo from that for your future levels if you want to make them more traditional while keeping the ''ztardust'' in it
also yeah i recommend the tips bester gave you about makign the main path more linear and as the level goes it branches out more

[quick pine]

The one thing I think this hack is missing is additional player moves tbh, the size of the levels make it feel as if the player needs some sort of movement tec to make traveling through levels faster. Only thing is that adding any will break exsisting levels so I dont recommend doing it

[shut glen]

true honestly lol

[untold sleet]

I have already made my decision

I will scrap/retouch most of the levels in world 5 and make them shorter, I will also try to make less maze/puzzle levels and overall try to reduce the difficulty of this hack, which means that I'll also very likely gonna get rid of the warpcannon levels (and some other very difficult bonus rooms I made)

[fervent oar]

NOOOOO

NOT THE WARP CANNONS

[languid grove]

I personally think you should leave the warp cannons, or atleast modify them

[languid grove]

But yeah, I completely agree with bester here

[untold sleet]

Idk, I'm considering pausing the hack for an undefined period of time until I manage to figure out what to do

I'm seriously not getting proud of my levels recently and I kinda wanna redo most of them, but I don't have any motivation to do so at the moment

I want to make a hack that I'm proud of and that people will enjoy

[fervent oar]

Bro just dont cancel this mod, ngl its really amazing and its a really good mod

[untold sleet]

I never said I was gonna cancel this mod dawg

Ush

[fervent oar]

But im really worried about this 😭

[shut glen]

i think ztar is more than confident when hes saying hes not gonna cancel the hack
there comes pauses every now and then with projects like these, this is just one of em which is normal, i do understand you worry though 😔

[quick pine]

is it motivation or no ideas for levels?

[shut glen]

-# for me i kinda feel both 😭

[fervent oar]

I love this mod ngl its fun

[untold sleet]

Lack of motivation and a little bit of lack of ideas, generally when I redo my older levels I feel like I'm wasting my time when I could be making a new level instead

[fervent oar]

Tbh i dont think you should remake your old levels at all

Theyre unique and i would play it definitelly

I like those type of levels, if i had the motivation to do it all my levels would be like that

In that mazy style

[untold sleet]

I will never ever cancel this hack, I'm 100% decided to finish it, even if it takes me 5 years, even if I hypotetically couldn't finish it for whatever reason, I would pass it to other people to finish this for me, but this hack will definitely release

[mystic rain]

yes even if the planet explodes from the fight of Goku against Freezer
-# i have been on a Dragon Ball Z hyperfixation lately 😭

[mystic rain]

also i think the bonus rooms are fine. yes sometimes they tend to be a bit long, but also very fun and unique

[tranquil thicket]

late but

• can you elaborate why
• i dont see why itd need to be one or two chunks hight to be linear— as long as a level has one path forward its linear— unless you mean you think the terrain should be more straight/flat and the way forward should be more consistently one main direction. in which case can you elaborate why
• why should the levels be like nintendos
• no comment
• is there amy particular reason youd feel less puzzles would feel more fun or a more engaging way to interact with the levels and its gimmicks edit: read more, i understand your point, tho i think you could just as easily say that more puzzle elements should be integrated into the earlier, less puzzly levels
• ditto with the keeping them in some capacity if they get redone comment

[shut glen]

psure bester was just saying that ztar could take nintendo's levels for inspiration since they're pretty traditional, not that his levels should be nintendo-like levels

tho its not like nintendo's level design doesnt have flaws lolh

[tranquil thicket]

i see

[untold sleet]

Why would I want to take Nintendo's design as inspiration anyways? Lol, literally nobody in here does that, everyone pretty much has their own level design

I have made a bunch of levels over time, I don't need level design making lessons, I know what players like and what they don't like, I'm aware that I need to make shorter and less puzzle-ish levels, and I was planning on redoing my older levels at some point anyways

I'm going to take a break from this hack for a long time, as this discussion + the fact that I'm not feeling proud of my levels lately has caused me to feel exausted from making levels

[tranquil thicket]

im guessing this is mostly rhetorical but you can still derive meaningful information from them (what they try to do, how they go about doing it, etc) without being like them

i dont think "looking at mario levels can help you make mario levels" is too bizzare a suggestion

[untold sleet]

That's fair

[tranquil thicket]

anyhow i hope you feel less exhausted after the break

n i agree with everyone else that i think its worth feeling proud of the levels you made

shit takes a lotta time n effort

gotsta give yourself some credit for being able to dedicate yourself to working on them to completion

[untold sleet]

I'm proud of my levels in the sense that I like how they look visually, I find them fun to explore and I'm proud of the effort I put into them, but I'm not proud of them in the sense that I agree with the sentiment that I have been making a lot of these type of levels lately and people might end up feeling tired of playing these kind of levels, I even received a comment from an SMW hacker in my last video mentioning that he used to make long levels before but eventually, he was receiving negative criticisms since people felt tired of getting stuck in a specific level

There are a bunch of levels in world 5 that I'm not proud of and I definitely want to get rid of them or at least try to make them feel more fun to play, but at the same time I don't want to scrap them, so I kinda feel between a rock and a hard place, which is why I want to take a break until I feel fully motivated to work on a new level again

[tranquil thicket]

i sorta took that comment as their preferences shifted towards shorter levels over time

that aside their point seemed to be less "long levels are tiring" and more "its tiring to lose a lot of progress in a level that you have to redo"

hence their multiple checkpoints suggestion

also just outta curiosity how do you feel about the long levels

like when you play them

cause your concern seems to be in regards to other people potentially getting tired of them

[untold sleet]

I usually find my own levels fun to play, but even I get frustrated when I die and have to replay so much of the level again, I've had this issue so many times before when recording levels for my videos

[tranquil thicket]

i see

if someone made a multiple checkpoints codehack would that be something youd be interested in implementing

or wouldja still prefer the shortening the levels route

[untold sleet]

I wouldn't be opposed to implementing a multiple checkpoints code hack, but I don't really want to implement it since I feel that's something very uncommon and anticlimactic in NSMB hacks (or 2D Mario hacks in general), and because I don't like to implement code hacks just for the sake of implementing them, I only import code hacks when I really feel it's necessary

So I would stick with the shortening the levels choice

[quick pine]

you could use the checkpoint ring system from the early builds of nsmbds

[mystic rain]

1. If it's crossed out I'm guessing you have your answer
2. This is more of a guideline to help making the path linear (both in the physical space and in terms of progress). It also only applies to the main path. It doesn't have to be always done or anything, more of a guideline/help. Tho yeah I was less or more thinking that having one main direction would feel less lost, because I kinda feel lost in some of Ztardust's recent levels
3. Not exactly Nintendo-like. It's just to give more of an idea/get back the idea of what a more linear level looks like. Other people's levels are fine as well, it's just that i mentioned Nintendo's because it's where i tend to take some inspiration sometimes
4. I'm guessing you agree
5. As i said later, yeah it needs to be more balanced in the hack i think. And it being too intense could make levels too long or make the player feel lost in them. It's okay to have some puzzle elements here and there, but in my opinion i don't really think every level should be filled with them
6. okay. i think it would be sad to see them go so that's why

[untold sleet]

Gonna drop a list of the levels that need to be scrapped/redone in world 5:

• 5-2
• 5-Tower
• 5-3
• 5-Ghosthouse
• The first half of 5-A

Basically almost all levels in world 5

I don't know if I'll start working on these levels when I recover my motivation to work on this hack or if I should redo them in another occasion

[mystic rain]

5-Tower is perfectly fine in my opinion, i genuinely don't know why it's included in this list

[untold sleet]

Unnecessarily long and somewhat boring

[mystic rain]

I can't tell for some of the other levels because there was no video of it

[fervent oar]

NOOOO BRO I LOVED THE TOWER

[untold sleet]

A level that takes almost 10 minutes to beat is not normal to me

[fervent oar]

PLEASE DONT SCRAP THE TOWER 😭

[untold sleet]

There's a video of 5-2

[mystic rain]

It feels a bit long but in a way i feel like tower levels are kinda "allowed" to be longer sometimes

[mystic rain]

yeah apart 5-2 i meant, mb

also 5-Tower feels pretty creative. i think Ninetie90s even wanted to take some inspiration from it for 4-Tower of TRQ

[untold sleet]

I'm not gonna scrap it, I just need to figure out how to make it much shorter

[mystic rain]

oh okay then

[untold sleet]

But I'm seriously considering scrapping 5-2

[mystic rain]

not much shorter i think but just making it shorter could work

[shut glen]

yeah I understand that, the level was indeed pretty long in the showcase lol

I did like it though it used the snake blocks so well
maybe you could reduce the sections that make you wait for the blocks to clear out a path

like that one part where it went diagonally to form staircases or smt, it was towards the end of the level

[mystic rain]

5-2 was the first level like that i think, but at the same time i kinda got a bit attached to it for some reason?

[tranquil thicket]

can you repost the vids of 5-2 n 5-3

also is 5-a the cany one

cndy

[mystic rain]

5-3 doesn't have a video

[tranquil thicket]

oh gotcha

[mystic rain]

that's 5-B

[tranquil thicket]

ah

[mystic rain]

here's the video of 5-2 tho https://youtu.be/qC9nvgNN4F0

[tranquil thicket]

thank you

[untold sleet]

5-A doesn't have a video either, I was initially gonna make a video for it bit it's lost media now

[mystic rain]

wdym lost media?

[tranquil thicket]

does it have un foto

[fervent oar]

The video ig

[untold sleet]

I initially made a video for it but I deleted it

[tranquil thicket]

por que

[untold sleet]

I don't think so, but I think I posted a small video of it at some point

[shut glen]

un foto ✍️

[untold sleet]

Un fotografía

[mystic rain]

oh i was afraid you meant the whole level

also for 5-2, i feel like the level still feels linear enough (even if it has height variations). i'm not sure if it applies for the entire level tho, but the first half does feel pretty linear (or not maze-y, because by "linear" i also mean "straightforward") however it feels like the level extends for too long

[untold sleet]

Which is why I want to scrap it

[mystic rain]

and i feel like ghost house levels can be forgiven for being maze-like because that's pretty much their point, but it's true that it also stretches for too long (judging from the screenshots)

[untold sleet]

These levels aren't even mazes they look like mazes but they're mostly linear

[fervent oar]

But dont scrap

You worked hard on it, and they seens fun

[mystic rain]

yes 😭

but i feel lost in some of them 😭

[untold sleet]

You haven't even played them

[mystic rain]

like usually when backtracking/replaying the level, for example for star coins, i can remember where stuff is

[mystic rain]

i feel lost by watching the video

[untold sleet]

Also, here's a screenshot of 5-A in case anyone is curious

[fervent oar]

I wanted to play it by watching the video

Not bad imo

Looks pretty great actually

[untold sleet]

I'm very proud of this level, except for the first half, which is why I want to redo it

[fervent oar]

But why redo everything instead of the first half

Only

[mystic rain]

if that's the whole level, i think it's perfectly fine

[fervent oar]

Yea

[mystic rain]

i think by "it" he meant the first half

[fervent oar]

Og oki

I wanted to play this level ngl 😭

[untold sleet]

That's only the second half + a little bit of the first half

[fervent oar]

-# nah lets be honest i want to play the whole mod 😭

[untold sleet]

JPG go to bed and stop glazing

[mystic rain]

i'm guessing the first half is the view on the far right?

[fervent oar]

No glazing but they look really good

No glazing but they look really good

Youre tallented at making levels imo

[mystic rain]

-# r/commentmitosis

[untold sleet]

You're glazing the levels because you don't want me to scrap them

[untold sleet]

It's in another area

[mystic rain]

oh...

[fervent oar]

I love how discord always clone the messages in a random momment like this 😭

[mystic rain]

well yeah i can understand why it feels long then

[fervent oar]

Nah i actually think the levels are really goated

[untold sleet]

This is part of the first half of the level

[fervent oar]

Thats the part i most liked in the image, i thought u was talking about the mini rooms 😭

[untold sleet]

What?

[fervent oar]

Those small sectiond on the left and top of the level

[shut glen]

-# my brain is dying reading this convo

[untold sleet]

The summary of this convo is basically:

• Bester explaining how they always get lost in my levels
• Me explaining which levels I want to get rid of and showcasing some of the old levels I made
• JPG glazing the levels so I don't get rid of them

[mystic rain]

it's not "always", rather on the last 3 maze-like ones that you showcased

[untold sleet]

Ok, I did some retouchments to 5-Ghosthouse

I got rid of some bonus rooms and also removed some parts in the second half to make it shorter

So the level should be a bit shorter and more fun now

[mystic rain]

okay

[untold sleet]

Bonus room

The Dry Bones not making sounds will be fixed in the final release

[mystic rain]

very cool!

[untold sleet]

I finally stopped procrastinating and finished the bottom screen wallpapers

In levels

In the worldmap

Thanks a ton Garhoogin for saving our lives with Nitro Paint

[outer schooner]

Nice I like the second and fourth one

[untold sleet]

Outta curiosity, do y'all think having trees above ice is alright or does it look odd?

I don't think it makes much sense because trees do not grow on ice, but at the same time I feel the urge of decorating levels with trees

[quick pine]

I don’t care much tbh

My main problem is the way the tree looks

I’m not a fan of it and I think smth like that would look way better as a 3d model

[fervent oar]

Nsmb is good with 2d tilesets tho

[untold sleet]

I'm using this tree precisely because I'm not the biggest fan of how the NSMBU snow tree looks, and also because I didn't have enough space left in the tileset

That tree is a modified tree texture from MKDS

[mystic rain]

a bit odd but it's alright

this implies that the ice was here for long enough for the tree to grow, yet could still get nutrients somehow even if there's no dirt around

[river nimbus]

Eh, I see trees grow in littleral valcanoes

This is definitely normal

[untold sleet]

[untold sleet]

I'm starting to consider the possibility of start making levels out of order in this hack

My brain is randomly giving me a bunch of ideas for levels in other worlds, and I don't have much ideas or motivation for world 5

I would even consider world 5 my least favorite world in the entire hack so far

[fervent oar]

My favourite world in this mod is w6 and w4

[untold sleet]

JPG

Brother

My guy

I haven't even started world 6

What the hell are you talking about?

[shut glen]

make a world 6 level

[fervent oar]

Ik, but i can smell that it will be peak

In both ways ofc

[untold sleet]

You cannot say that it's your favorite world if it doesn't even exist

https://tenor.com/view/think-mark-invincible-omniman-bhondamous-gif-22025607

[tranquil thicket]

it has the musty peak odor though

[fervent oar]

I can, i predicted the future and w6 will be a peak worls

[fervent oar]

LMAO

[untold sleet]

Ok glazer

[mystic rain]

world 6 seems to be pretty creative so far

[untold sleet]

😭

[shut glen]

hi ztar! hows your w6 going? i saw that showcase a few days ago of 6-3 and it was amazing!

[river nimbus]

Exactly, that's why world 6 is the best world

Nevermind that sounded like an insult

[quick pine]

Personally, my favourite world is world -3.1415926

[fervent oar]

This one is creepy tho, i preffer world 89929393938388888‰

[mystic rain]

535

[fervent oar]

Oh thats the <£$⁰⁰⁹ⁿ⁹•°y themed world right?

[mystic rain]

i was just continuing the digits of pi 😭

[fervent oar]

Ik i just like saying random stuff for some reason 😭

[untold sleet]

How the hell did you know about the supersecret negative world with a Ztar boss? That was supposed to be a secret

[fervent oar]

LMAO

[fervent oar]

Zuper Zecret world u mean?

[quick pine]

Because new++ teleports you there in - evil ztar ending route. This is when the ztar you meet at the start of the game turns on you and you and bowser jr need to defeat it

[mystic rain]

wait does that mean...........
|| New++SMB and SMB: TML are connected!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🤯 :oo 😱👀 ||

[quick pine]

||it means that all nsmbds hacks are connected through wormholes and take place in the same multiverse ||

[mystic rain]

:oo

[untold sleet]

||What you don't know is that all the currently developed NSMBDS hacks are interconnected, everything starts in the New++ universe, where Bowser Jr. is taking revenge for his father, after the Ztar ending, the entire universe explodes and Mario somehow gets back in time and is teleported to another universe (the TML universe), the ztar explosion caused the mushroom kingdom to be polluted with the ztar invasion and now Mario must go through the unexplored lands of the mushroom kingdom 10 years after the events of vanilla NSMB, after defeating Bowser and breaking the ztar curse once and for all, Bowser and Jr. decide to take revenge once again, and build a new base in an burning isolated island, this is where the events of NSMB ABA will start taking place, Mario defeats Bowser once again, but this somehow starts a war between fire and ice, and this is the moment where the lore of NSMB: Burning Ice begins, Mario stops the war between ice and fire and decides to take a vacation and travels to Asia, where he explores the beautiful lands of the Sakura Kingdom, but he realizes that Bowser is also messing up there and wants to take control of the Asian continent to bomb the entire world and ruin the economy with high-ass tariffs.||

||Mario travels from the Sakura Kingdom to the Space, defeats Bowser in there, and this causes a rainbow explosion where the rainbow divides itself into 8 pieces and gets scattered around the entire world, now Mario must begin his Rainbow Quest and gather all the 8 rainbow pieces, after he collects them all, the peace restores, but the pieces were not placed correctly, which caused a giant flower to start destroying the world, now Mario must begin his Freaking Journey to defeat this giant flower while also collecting wonderful seeds, Mario manages to defeat the giant flower, and tired of having so many adventures in a row, decides to go to sleep to recover energies, but he ends up having a nightmare where his brother Luigi died and his soul is now hunting him, and he must escape from him by hitting blocks and getting powerups, just an ordinary nightmare, Mario wakes up horrified from this horrendous nightmare, and Peach, seeing him very stressed, decides to calm him down and they end up having hard sex.||

Holy fuck, what the hell have I done, lmfao

[quick pine]

thats peak, I need to make this cannon in new++

and at the same time the ending can promote all of these other hacks

[untold sleet]

Biggest NSMB Central propaganda, fr fr

[gritty karma]

Burning Ice mentioned

[primal vale]

I'm bothered by the bottom row being a pixel shorter on the left

[fervent oar]

Petition to make this actually true and add something at the end of our hacks that connects to another one 🔥

[quick pine]

New++ has nearly all the lore in place that could allow for a nsmbds rom hack multiverse. Since new++ takes place at the end and beginning of the mario time lines

[fervent oar]

Ohh yea thats true

[untold sleet]

Idk