NSMB: The Rainbow Quest

[lapis bough]

tho the files are like 75% transferred already

[junior junco]

Nice, what are the stats on the pc btw?

[lapis bough]

not 100% sure, but for now, 16gb of ram, intel i7 cpu (not sure which generation) and a terrible graphic card. i might get a better one later tho

[junior junco]

Decent, better than my laptops

[lapis bough]

oh okay

[lapis bough]

Not much progress lately (mostly lack of motivation, and not feeling well mentally lately)

Tho we (especially Cloudie) finished 6-2 so thats nice

(4000 messages yay)

[sour kettle]

were you thinking of sharing a vid or do you think you wanna keep it a surprise

[lapis bough]

Well, we decided to show a video whenever it's a theme that hasn't been shown before

in this case, the city theme has never been shown on the channel, so yes we'll make a vid of it eventually, tho we want to finish 3-3 first and release both videos at once

[sour kettle]

gotcha

[lapis bough]

but for example, we have 1-A planned, but we won't show it because the theme is already used (sunset)

actually we have about 15 levels planned so far, (including 6-2)

[lapis bough]

oh yea because idk if making sseq's works for me for some reason, i'll make the songs with the game soundfont with LMMS in the nwav format, until i find out how to fix it (and then make the sseq's for each)

if i dont find out i'll release the rom with the nwavs instead

[lone jetty]

Oh are you struggling with SSEQ creation? I could make the SSEQ's for you if you want

[lapis bough]

i kinda wanna learn how to create them myself tho

especially because at least 3 of them would be original tracks

[lone jetty]

I see

Idk why it wouldn't work for you, should work consistenly if you do it correctly

Maybe I should write a tutorial on the wiki on how to make SSEQ's

[lapis bough]

the problem is probably nitro studio 1. i might try again later (when i have both the time and motivation)

[lone jetty]

I think it doesn't matter if you use NitroStudio1 or 2, but the midi importing procedure is different on both versions

[lapis bough]

nitro studio 2 does the same

i think i'll need to readjust the pitch again, the instruments themselves seem to be correct tho

[lone jetty]

Could you maybe tell me what is what you're struggling with? Also, you don't necessarily need to use LMMS, I just use it because it's easier for me to preview the song before importing it, you can use any midi editor you want

[lapis bough]

not sure actually, it seems to be broken for no reason

and lmms doesn't seem to be the problem here

guess i'll try again one more time and see what happens

[lapis bough]

Waiting for the first person to say that I copied "Super Mario & The Rainbow Stars"
-# Note to the funnies out there, saying it solely because I said that does not count

[lapis bough]

we should really make more progress...

oh yea also working on a custom tileset (tho progress is slow, haven't done progress in a few days

[sour kettle]

what kinda tileset is it

[lapis bough]

i dont wanna tell for now

but its for world 4

[sour kettle]

gotcha

[lapis bough]

i kinda wanna try to make animated waterfalls with code

but i think we'll finish the level (3-3) first

[lapis bough]

progress on 3-3

surprisingly the progress is quite fast. if we continue working on it we might be able to finish it in 1-2 days

[sour kettle]

swag

[lapis bough]

done!!

well, almost

i wanna redo the bonus room because its kinda lame, i wanna make it feel like more of a minigame/puzzle

and gotta fix that song bug as well

[lapis bough]

actually not sure if we can show 3-3 now or not

because it uses watefalls, but we dont have animated waterfalls yet

[lapis bough]

okay its finished now

[sour kettle]

nice

[lapis bough]

worked a bit on the level intro screens graphics

at first i planned stripes, but Cloudie suggested that we could use some sort of pattern corresponding to each world

more precisely, the "pattern" is a silhouette version of a background corresponding to each world

[lapis bough]

we're cooking i guess

apart from the flowers, this was made from scratch

[lone jetty]

Peak

[lapis bough]

thanks!!

[vague breach]

Thank you ^-^

[sour kettle]

ooh neato

[lapis bough]

thx!

[lapis bough]

not sure if we should wait to have animated watefalls to record and upload the video of 3-3, because the current waterfalls are not animated, and would look a bit off

[sour kettle]

were you planning on waiting for the animated tiles code hack to get ported to ncp for those

or do you got another idea

[lapis bough]

more like pseudo-tiles that get animated, kinda like those deco tiles (flowers, fence, etc) that Illy made for her hack

and their z-layer would also be able to be changed (in front/behind the player) too, and the opacity can be changed into 2 possible values: opaque and half-transparent

if its not too hard, i might try to make this myself to get started with making code hacks? idk but it's worth trying i guess

[lapis bough]

talking about this
#1142029407729483846 message

[junior junco]

or you could do smth like I did with double and triple blocks

they have eight frames which they keep switching between

[lapis bough]

yea something similar could work

[lapis bough]

just a question, could i modify your code to transform it into animated waterfalls? (both asking for permission and also knowing if it would be hard to do or not)

preferably making it separate from the double/triple blocks code, because i'd like to maybe use both in the hack

[junior junco]

Yeah it’s easy

Disable the collider and remit the the functions that run when the player bumps the block

Also feel free to use anything in my GitHub page, if I use the checkpoint model u gotta credit jpg 64 though

[lapis bough]

okay then

but how would it be possible to make it so i can use both the double/triple blocks AND the waterfalls in the same rom?

[blissful pulsar]

i think u can change the object id that it replaces if it replaces an unused sprite?

or maybe mod nsmbe

or i dunno lol, maybe the address stuff will get in the way if you use the same address for both the scripts

[lapis bough]

oh you can change the object id in the code hack directly?

like there's a single value for it? or do i need to change a bunch of stuff?

[blissful pulsar]

from what i've seen, actor spawner, purple coin and illy's checkpoint have that id in their header script (tho im not sure how illy's works cause it seems to rely on another script)

[lapis bough]

oh okay then

so there's a separate file (the "header script"?) that handles the ids stuff?

[blissful pulsar]

yeah thats how i see it (dont quote me on anything btw im not an expert programmer lmao this is just logically guessing)

like this is actorspawner.hpp

[junior junco]

Process.cpp and objectids.cpp deal with the actor profiles

They can be set to whatever u want

[junior junco]

all u need to do is chose the actory u want to replace here, and then update the object ids here

[lapis bough]

oh okay, thanks!

the video of 6-2 is getting uploaded

i'll send it later

[zinc rivet]

On mine its the actor 10 for cannon ball and 11 for checkpoint

[lapis bough]

I just noticed a bug with the code hack that removes mario's/luigi's hat when the player has 99 lives: the hat magically reappears whenever the player jumps on a springboard for some reason

[blissful pulsar]

oddly specific bug

what does the hack change with 99 lives to make the hat reappear, and let alone why on a springboard only

[lone jetty]

No? I jumped in a lot of springboards in my hack and I can garantee that the hat does not reappear

[lapis bough]

you can see it in the 6-2 video

Can someone help with a name please?

I wanna call it "Rainy Drawbridge Site" or something similar. At first I planned "Rainy Construction Site" but it doesnt include the main gimmick of the level in that name

[junior junco]

whats the main gimmick?

[lapis bough]

the drawbridge lifts

and paratroopas

[junior junco]

i was thinking smth with the word "suspension" could work

[sour kettle]

wb Drawbridge Scaffold

[lapis bough]

I guess this works

thanks to both of you!

[sour kettle]

could always wait for a second or third opinion too

[lapis bough]

yea

[vague breach]

hmm

maybe something with the word "Danger"?

like, "Drawbridge Danger Zone" or "Dangerous Drawbridges"?

it makes an aliteration (or whatever its called)

[lapis bough]

maybe

idk 😭

[blissful pulsar]

is it mountain theme

[lapis bough]

no its the city theme

[blissful pulsar]

or whats the theme of the level, that can help too

o

Drawbridge Highway? (idk im throwing random stuff sdkjfkj)

[lapis bough]

i think Drawbridge Danger Zone sounds pretty cool

we can choose that, thanks!!

[vague breach]

yw ^-^

[lone jetty]

I'd say something but I'm pretty bad when it comes to think of level names too ;P

[lapis bough]

thanks y'all for your help

[lapis bough]

https://youtu.be/pnLLwUyrWqA

[maiden leaf]

this is so fire

the level is great and the tileset and background have so much charm

[lapis bough]

dang thanks!!

[maiden leaf]

yeah I noticed watching wtf 😭

I have no idea what could have caused that

[lapis bough]

maybe the code hack that allows the player to jump on a springboard while holding another one? i have no idea

[maiden leaf]

that's what I was thinking

but still... how???

[lapis bough]

no idea, it doesnt make sense

[maiden leaf]

could you replace that with this? I changed it slightly since I first posted it

// Don't release keys when carrying an actor
ncp_jump(0x02155b50,54)
NTR_NAKED static void noThrowOnTrampolineBounce() {asm(R"(
    tst       r0, #0x1 @ if carrying something don't release keys
    orreq     r0, r0, #0x80
    streq     r0, [r4,#0x77c]
    b         0x02155b50 + 8
)");}

in a c++ file btw

[zinc rivet]

Yeah i agree

[lapis bough]

alright lemme try

getting an error while patching

[blissful pulsar]

had to rewatch the video since i had to go in the middle of it

i really like the city theme lol, and the level looks quite fun to play in

overall awesome job

[lapis bough]

thanks!!

[maiden leaf]

forgot to mention, add #include nsmb.hpp at top

[lapis bough]

oh ok

still getting the error

[zinc rivet]

What is this for btw?

[maiden leaf]

#include "nsmb.hpp" mb

[lapis bough]

oh thats why

lets test now

[maiden leaf]

when you bounce on trampolines while holding something the player usually throws it

this hack stops that from happening

[lapis bough]

just to make sure, adding "@" cancels whatever is next in the line, right? (in asm code hacks)

[lone jetty]

Really nice level, I loved its design, the tileset looks amazing and the level overall is very well decorated, I also loved the music, it fits very well, where is it from?

[lapis bough]

thanks!!

[maiden leaf]

"@" marks the start of a comment, so anything on the same line written after will be ignored by the compiler

[lone jetty]

Also, I'm kinda surprised with the springboard bug, I swear tht never happened to me, lol

[lapis bough]

the music is from mario odyssey

[lapis bough]

okay, thats what i did with the old code

and the new one works

thanks!

[maiden leaf]

...does it stop the reappearing cap? 🫣

[vague breach]

thank you all (for the level) ^-^

[lapis bough]

yea it does

[maiden leaf]

oh wow

nice

[junior junco]

looks cool, although I think the tile set could use some refining

[lapis bough]

for what precisely? it lacks of depth sometimes? (that's what i noticed about it at least)

[zinc rivet]

Oohhhh

In my mod tranpolines are my beloved block, but thats interesting

[sour kettle]

hey bester, outta curiosity do you think youd be able to send the files over for this?

if youre fine with it

and still have them

[lapis bough]

i think i still have them

might send them later today

[lapis bough]

here! both the tileset and the animation palette

[sour kettle]

thank you

ill try n peek at them a bit when i have a moment

since i think i need to revise my thread on the animations

[lapis bough]

alright, you're welcome

[lapis bough]

we should probably continue the forest tileset a bit today

[lone jetty]

I'm coincidentially working on a forest tileset too

Gl on yours

[lapis bough]

thanks!!

[blissful pulsar]

damn gl both of you on your tilesets

and make sure it doesn’t have utterly complex ground which doesn’t let you mirror and can easily lead to tile errors like mine

[lapis bough]

more like us 3 because i'm making the tileset with Cloudie

but thanks

[vague breach]

Progress!!

some stuff is placeholder and is gonna be moved or removed later

[zinc rivet]

OOOOOOOOO

Thats actually good!

[vague breach]

thx ^-^

[zinc rivet]

Yw 🙂

[lapis bough]

thanks!!

[lapis bough]

i think we'll continue the tileset tomorrow
-# we also have the "texture" on the upside-down slopes to "polish" 😭

[lapis bough]

[Cloudie] Progress!! I think the graphics are done now

do you think 2(-ish) palettes are enough?

[blissful pulsar]

oo i like that

the flowers feel so charmy in both colors

[blissful pulsar]

i think it could be enough, but yall could have 2 more palettes for paler variants of this tileset to act as semisolids

[lapis bough]

that'd be a pain to add background tiles tho

and we already have something planned for semisolids

thanks tho!!

[Cloudie] thanks!! ^-^

[lapis bough]

oh wait it would be better if we recolor the blue flowers to green, for the variation with the blue floor

[zinc rivet]

Btw, for wich world is this? And wich theme is the tileset? Looks so beautiful

[junior junco]

only complaint is the luck of shadows on the plants and the grass

[lapis bough]

world 4, dark forest

[lapis bough]

this was done because there's supposed to be a larger gap between the grass and the vines, than between the vines and the ground (in the z axis)

but now that you say it, doing the opposite would probably make more sense

[lone jetty]

Looks really nice, I'd suggest to use 4 palettes for it though, since it's probably gonna look very compressed

[lapis bough]

not sure exactly how to separate the palettes tho. maybe separating the grass/green stuff from the ground?

[junior junco]

i dont think their is enough colours in there for the need to split it into four tbh

[lone jetty]

I'd suggest (if possible) add the flower decorations in a separate palette, there's too many different colored flowers and they could possibly compress the entire tileset

I guess you could just make it 2 palettes, but if it looks very compressed you could make it 4 palette or use NitroPaint

[lapis bough]

alright, we'll try this then

[lapis bough]

Logo (to update the original message of the post)

[lapis bough]

yknow what, we'll probably show progress only in a week or two (if we do make progress)

[zinc rivet]

OPS SORRY BESTER

WRONG CHST

[lapis bough]

i miiiiight have another fr.....

nah too early to say this

[lapis bough]

no there has barely been any progress on the hack

apart from the tileset being imported and tiled, but the grass on the graphics needs some rework to loop properly (and that's kind of a pain to do. not enough motivation :p)

and some planning/ideas

[vague breach]

friend who might help with the hack and who might also make custom music for it? nahhhh we don't

[lapis bough]

-# why did you say it... 😭

[vague breach]

couldnt resist 😭

and also we would have said it at some point

[lapis bough]

yea fair

[zinc rivet]

Lmaooo

[vague breach]

they also didn't give us an idea for a gimmick in 4-Tower, and they might not make this level themselves...

[lapis bough]

why are you revealing everything 😭

[vague breach]

why not?

this channel has been inactive for a while, might as well give some info at least

[lapis bough]

yea true

[vague breach]

we have at least 15 ideas for levels... but no time nor motivation >_<

[vague breach]

we also had to do this (putting the grass + flowers in a different palette, one for each grass color)

the tileset looks good apart from the fact that the grass needs to be redrawn

[lapis bough]

Frosty Cake i see you typing 👁️👁️

[blissful pulsar]

i mean yall shouldnt feel forced to work on the hack, just take your time and when you feel you have the opportunity to be able to work on it and want to then you may do so, dont try to overwork yourself

[lapis bough]

thanks

[zinc rivet]

Same here 👁👁

[vague breach]

thanks ^-^

[lapis bough]

paradoxically enough, not making progress is quite demotivating...

i mean, the hack has been started 1.5 years ago, and only 9 levels are done so far...

-# at this rate we'll finish in 12 years

[blissful pulsar]

fair enough lol i can relate

[junior junco]

Atleast you haven’t been going for four years and you don’t have b sides to do for every level

[lapis bough]

yes we also planned alternate versions of levels...

[zinc rivet]

In ssmb will not have it, since i plan making ssl, wich will be literally ssmb b sides

[lapis bough]

so it will have it

[junior junco]

Whats ur plan for that btw I’m curious and want to know how other will approach it

[vague breach]

wait i wanna say it

[lapis bough]

go ahead

[vague breach]

Alternate versions of levels, which are harder, don't have star coins, reuse the same gimmicks, and still feel similar to the original level. They might also need to be finished faster, like NSLU, but we're not sure about that yet

[junior junco]

So shorter harder remixes

Same as me

[vague breach]

pretty much

Sometimes they also have something in their theme to reinforce this idea of "Alternate". In world 1 for example, the background of each level seem to feel like a sunset, going from day to night. With the alternate levels, it will be a sunrise instead, going from night, to day

[blissful pulsar]

tbh if I were to make alternate levels for my hack I’d prob also do the shorter and harder variant
I don’t think my brain has the capacity to think of a genuine way of having a new gimmick for the alternate versions lmao

[vague breach]

not sure if they'll be faster yet though, might need to think that with Bester

[lapis bough]

something that could also be a fun idea could be making the level go from right to left, but idk

[blissful pulsar]

I had that in mind one day before the whole challenge mode stuff but I felt that it was a bit of an extreme idea, mainly cause i thought it would require some code hacks to look natural

also cause of the whole ‘challenge’ mode stuff since going from right to left wouldn’t really be a challenge (sometimes)

it is indeed a fun idea though, wouldn’t hurt to do

[lapis bough]

that's only an "aesthetic"/"structural" change tho, the extra difficulty and other stuff will still apply

[lapis bough]

we have at least 5 custom songs planned for the hack that have to be composed (more like covers of existing songs tho)

some of those songs aren't related to mario tho

[lapis bough]

yknow what, maybe we can show the little bit of progress

and also tell which levels we're currently/gonna start working on:
4-1, using Splunkins and Scuttlebugs
1-Switch, yellow switch "palace" (remake of another level). will require the yellow switch code tho

for the yellow switch code, the goal is to do it ourselves, with maybe some help

[zinc rivet]

It will be a diferent rom tho, just using ssmb as base

[vague breach]

SHOW IT NOW

stop procrastinating, show it now

[lapis bough]

okay okay lol

gotta take the screenshots first

[zinc rivet]

I like that mod ngl lol

You two are making that mod amazing!

[lapis bough]

well thanks!!

[vague breach]

thx ^-^

[zinc rivet]

Yw 😉

[lapis bough]

the tileset (+previously shown background) and a screenshot of 3-3

[zinc rivet]

GLORIOUSSSSSSS

[lapis bough]

wow thanks!!

[vague breach]

thx ^-^

[cursive sorrel]

Damn this looks really cool

[vague breach]

my turn to show stuff

[vague breach]

thx again!

[cursive sorrel]

Can't wait to find out the gimmick for 4-1

[zinc rivet]

You 3 where going to make the best hack of the century ngl

[lapis bough]

it was said previously already

[lapis bough]

^

[vague breach]

definitely not 3 soon...

[cursive sorrel]

Oh I see, sorry, I'm not the guy to read thorugh messages when I was gone for a really long time, so I end up just checking the pictures

[lapis bough]

its alright

for now tho its only a test level

but those are the planned gimmicks

[blissful pulsar]

omg I love the dark forest aesthetic

[junior junco]

The gd background actually works well lmao

[lapis bough]

yea lol

thanks!!

[vague breach]

thx!!

it's inspired by Explorers, and by our gd level (which itself is inspired by Explorers)

[zinc rivet]

Looks good ngl

[vague breach]

level intro backgrounds

the rest is still unfinished. we also havent made the backgrounds for world 4, 5, 7, and 8 (but we can probably make them already)

not sure what background we're gonna use for world 8 though

[lapis bough]

knowing that the theme is Bowser's Magma Cave or something similar, maybe the stalagmites cave bg but recolored to red could work?

[vague breach]

maybe

[cursive sorrel]

yeah i would say so too, ngl I would have not guessed that those were stalagmites

if I wasn't told

it seemed similiar to city

[lapis bough]

no no i was talking about world 8

the 4th background shown here is a city. world 8 is the idea that we have for the last world

which we havent made the bg for yet

[cursive sorrel]

my bad then

[lapis bough]

might try to make progress tomorrow (if we have enough motivation that is)

[lone jetty]

Late reply, but both the tileset, background and level intros look really nice and creative

Keep up the great work Cloudie and Bester

[lapis bough]

thanks!!

[vague breach]

thanks!! ^-^

[empty jungle]

Oh lordy loo, this looks good

[lapis bough]

thanks

[zinc rivet]

One day yall will release a demo for that?

[lapis bough]

i planned to make maybe 1 or 2 demos

first one being released when 1/4th of the levels are done, and the 2nd one when half of the levels is done or half of the stuff planned for the hack is done

[lone jetty]

When you say 1/4th of the levels, how many levels are you referring to? 18-22 levels?

[vague breach]

thx ^-^

[lapis bough]

probably like 16-18

tho the first demo will only include the equivalent of a world (in amount of levels)

[lapis bough]

kinda wanna make progress but lately, i don't have any motivation to do anything during the weeks for some reason

[rapid abyss]

Tbh late af, but i love your tilesets of this hack lol, especially completaly new themes, idk, they fit to mario lmao

Are you inspiring with sonic btw?

[zinc rivet]

Its geometry dash

[rapid abyss]

Interesting lol, but i really see similiarites to hill top zone and that one zone from sonic 1 if i would talk about the tileset higher up 😭

[lapis bough]

thanks! yea they're inspired from Geometry Dash

[lapis bough]

are you talking about Marble Zone for the second one?

[rapid abyss]

yeah!

[lapis bough]

okay

well no they were mostly inspired by geometry dash

[lapis bough]

kinda wanna work on the "challenge houses" today (if we have time)

for now tho there'll probably only be a "default" one, because making unique ones would require modifying the destination of each "challenge house" node on the worldmap

i know how to do it (using one of the old worldmap editors, i dont remember which one), BUT since it edits the overlays, it gets reset every time code hacks are applied, which is not convenient

this means we'll have to redo the worldmap thingy every time we wanna test stuff (if more code hacks get applied), and do it one last time when releasing the hack

-# if we do release it...

[sour kettle]

whas the plan for the challenve houses again

[lapis bough]

a mix between map enemies from nsmbwii and challenge houses from sm3dw

limited time to defeat enemies in different rooms, and at the end, you can choose whatever powerup are rewarded (usually 3)

[sour kettle]

gotcha

[lapis bough]

you can also play the house again after this, and get rewards again, but you'll have to make sure not to die

the problem would be for the ones that appear on the "Arrow/Start" node of each world. they need to still disappear when cleared (for that we'll probably reuse the toad house roulette block + some 1ups i guess?)

[lapis bough]

unless someone makes a code hack

nah i dont think we need a code hack for this

[lapis bough]

there has been progress during the past few days but not enough to show stuff yet

all i can say to avoid spoilers is that the level we're modifying is 1- and that it's supposed to be a remake of a level, with a bit of our own touch. And the warp cannon will be replaced by something else

that's also why i asked how to make an extended tileset yesterday

[zinc rivet]

A extended tileset is easy

If you want i can post a extended tileset base for u (but you need the subnohara v2)

[lapis bough]

the tileset is made already

and yes the hack has subnohara v2

[lapis bough]

i just realized that, if somehow we were able to keep the sub nohara graphics in the tileset, AND add the extra deco stuff on top of the sub nohara stuff we don't need (snow stuff for example), we can have a working sub nohara for overworld levels on top of extra decoration stuff

now the problem is actually keeping the sub nohara graphics intact

the easiest way i found is to redraw manually the extra deco tiles in nsmbe on top of the sub nohara stuff. which is... quite of a pain in the butt

another way would be hex editing, but that'd be very tedious

(both are tedious actually, but with hex editing you're less sure about what you're doing)

if anyone has an easier way of doing so, which does NOT involve modifying the sub nohara tileset itself, please let me know

[lone jetty]

I have been thinking about this too, but I don't know a straightforward way of doing this, but I imagine the best method would be importing your tileset already extended with all the extra decorations you wanna add, save, and export it, then extend your tileset again, export it as a bitmap to get the SubNohara and add it to the first palette of your tileset by using the "Import this bitmap with existing palette" setting, maybe there's an easier method but this is the only thing I can think of

To my understanding, when you attach the SubNohara to your tileset, it's basically there but it's adapted to your tileset's palette, this is basically what you want to achieve with the method I explained previously

[lapis bough]

the palette of the sub nohara still remains the one from the sub nohara tileset, right?

i'm not sure to understand tho, you have to export the extended tileset, then import it again and then re-extend it while it's already extended?

i feel like a possible solution (which is probably what you wanted to explain) is to include part of the sub nohara to the tileset (palette/colors + image). and for the "wall tiles" (behind which the player goes usually) we can use those from the regular sub nohara tileset, but only those because they are the only thing that doesn't get corrupted by the tileset extension

[lone jetty]

I think I did not explain myself correctly, let me rephrase

• Import your already extended tileset with the extra decorations, save it and export it (you will need to reimport it later)
• Export the first palette of the tileset as a PNG
• Extend the tileset again (to get the graphics of the SubNohara)
• Export again as PNG
• Open the first palette of your tileset and SubNohara you exported previously and try to assemble them
• After you're done, save and reimport the original tileset you exported in step 1, now import the tileset you assembled by using the "Import this bitmap with existing palette"

[lapis bough]

i think i understood

but will the sub nohara part use the sub nohara palette or the other tileset palette? (will the sub nohara colors have to be imported to the other tileset palette or not?)

ohh wait i think i get it

[lone jetty]

Your tileset palette should remain intact and the SubNohara will use the SubNohara's palette

[lapis bough]

tho some of the extra deco use colors that are not part of the original palette

[lapis bough]

okay

[lapis bough]

might make the thing more difficult

thanks tho

[lone jetty]

No? Everything should use the tileset's palette

[lapis bough]

that's the problem

they have different colors, so we'll have to make them fit somehow

[lone jetty]

So you're basically saying that the extra decorations use different colors than your original tileset?

[lapis bough]

yes

some of them at least

[lone jetty]

I imagine you could use Nitro Paint to try to optimize your tileset and make it look less compressed

And fit everything in a single tileset

[lapis bough]

maybe

the process seems complicated tho 😭

[lone jetty]

Not really, just take every palette from your tileset separately and open them in NitroPaint to reduce the colors

[lapis bough]

tho i'm confused. since the tileset with extra deco uses a different palette, wouldn't that make the sub nohara of the tileset, with no extra deco yet, not have the right colors?

is that how you managed to include your sub nohara with the extended tilesets? (for example ghost house exit, when it gets previously overwritten by the extended ghost house tileset)

[lone jetty]

I don't really understand what you're asking but I did not include the SubNohara on none of my extended tilesets, this method I just explained is a method I just figured out but I haven't tested it yet

[lapis bough]

oh okay

tho didn't you say that the extended ghost house tileset would make the sub nohara get corrupted due to the extension, until the level gets reloaded again (whole level, not area)?

or does it revert back to normal once a non-extended tileset gets loaded?

[lone jetty]

The SubNohara is not usable in the Ghost House tileset due to the extension, extending the Ghost House Exit tileset and not adding anything on the extended space restores the SubNohara in the Ghost House Exit tileset but it's still unusable in the Ghost House tileset, this applies to every extended tileset

[lapis bough]

ohh okay

so you basically left it blank on the ghost house exit

[lapis bough]

ohh so it has the sub nohara stuff

makes sense then

[lone jetty]

The Ghost House tileset is extended, the Ghost House Exit one is extended too, but the extended space is intact

[lapis bough]

i thought it had nothing at all

[lone jetty]

If it had nothing the SubNohara would be invisible

[lapis bough]

yea that's why i was confused

i think i'll do the hex editing method. the most tedious part of it would be replacing only the right tiles with the sub nohara stuff

i'll also have to rearrange the extra deco

hex editing so the pixels have the right colors for the sub nohara palette

[lone jetty]

The method I explained previously should probably work, but as I said, I haven't tested it, so I'm not sure, but I don't see why it wouldn't work

[lapis bough]

well, importing with existing palette can sometimes cause color compression i think. the colors might also not be the exact same ones than those that they were originally, which will have a larger impact on the sub nohara tileset

and also the problem with all the deco stuff

(i have to go now)

[lone jetty]

True

But I don't know a straightforward method for this, maybe DM will discover a better method at some point

Or maybe Illy will make the SubNohara actor so we can extend any tileset we want, who knows?

[sour kettle]

oah big convo with many words

i only skimmed through this but if you want to move graphics between NCGs while keeping them fully in-tact usually i do something along the lines of steps 5 through 7 here https://nsmbhd.net/post/72866/

[lone jetty]

Just wondering, what's the difference between this and using the "Import this bitmap with existing palette" button?

[sour kettle]

sometimes palettes contain duplicate colours

this makes sure every colour is unique pretty much

[lone jetty]

I see

[lapis bough]

oh yeah this can work too

[blissful pulsar]

you have no idea how incredibly useful this is to me cause i've had 2 tilesets that i wanted to do this with but it wouldnt work out and compress the graphics a lot / make them look bad 🥹

[lapis bough]

Progress has been really, really slow lately. Not only for the hack, but for literally all the projects I'm working on. For some reason, I don't have motivation for pretty much anything lately, and it has been the case for weeks now...

i fucking hate this

[lapis bough]

oh btw the level wont be shown until custom code gets added, for the end

[lapis bough]

-# y'all are only seeing this now 😭

might have motivation today but i dont promise anything

[blissful pulsar]

-# for some reason my discord has this thing where it glitches out notifications or marks stuff read when i tab to it (even tho i didnt), especially dms and sometimes people think im ghosting 😭

[zinc rivet]

SAME 😭

[lone jetty]

Discord is fucking stupid sometimes

[lapis bough]

true

[vague breach]

hmm

maybe i can send a screenshot of the level later today, after making some progress

(if we make progress 😭)

[vague breach]

well we didn't...

😭

[lapis bough]

we had some motivation today... but not enough time 😭

it's either time or motivation, can't have both 😔

[cursive sorrel]

yeah, I know that feeling

[vague breach]

well as i promised...

can anyone recognize this structure?

(please ignore that the bg has yellow clouds...)

[lone jetty]

Somehow the structure reminds me of Super Mario World

[vague breach]

hmm

hmmmmmm

||IT'S THAT||

[lone jetty]

I knew it

Is going to be a remake of the first level in Super Mario World?

[vague breach]

maybe...?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i dont wanna ruin the surprise >_<

[lone jetty]

Then I'm not gonna keep trying to guess so I don't ruin the surprise

[vague breach]

okay ^-^

[zinc rivet]

SMW OMG

[vague breach]

😭

[zinc rivet]

Ngl that mod is peak

Yall are doing a great work on this! ^w^

[blissful pulsar]

ditto

[vague breach]

thank youu!! ^-^

[lapis bough]

thanks!!

[junior junco]

Gotta love a smw reference

I remade the first half of Iggys castle in Larry’s tower for the alternate harder boss fight route just for fun

I still need to make a harder harder Larry fight

[lapis bough]

thanks!

[vague breach]

thx!! ^-^

[vague breach]

wait i cant make a poll?

guess i'll just do it the good old way then

[lone jetty]

Yeah, you need to boost the server to be able to make a poll unfortunately

[vague breach]

oh

okay then ;-;

[zinc rivet]

Ndy is a mercenary 😠

[vague breach]

What do you think about replacing Star coins with Rainbow star coins 🌈

[zinc rivet]

OHHHH GOOD IDEA

[patent obsidian]

not a bad idea

[zinc rivet]

It fitd the game lore too

I will try making a model for it

[vague breach]

yes that's what i said to Bester

[patent obsidian]

wait, bro got past the poll ban

[vague breach]

don't need to 😭, i think we can modify the texture

[zinc rivet]

Nonono not ban, she didn't did nothing wrong ndy is the mercenary here

[patent obsidian]

is the color palate big enough

[zinc rivet]

Yes

[vague breach]

idk

ask Bester

[zinc rivet]

If its not its possible to bypass with np (nitro paint)

[blissful pulsar]

wait maybe u could replace the speculative texture to be rainbow and it could change color in real-time?

[lapis bough]

i think so

[blissful pulsar]

specular texture* 😭

[lapis bough]

oh good idea

"speculative texture" 😭

what i'm worried about tho is the hud texture

[zinc rivet]

I mean, its not wrong tho

[zinc rivet]

Nah it will be the easiest part

[vague breach]

okay then ^-^

[zinc rivet]

Btw, i know to make the edited text on discord, see:

[zinc rivet]

_ _

[lapis bough]

really need to make progress...

[vague breach]

done!!

except the very end which requires a code hack we have to make...

and hmm

we dont know how to code 😭

[blissful pulsar]

could make a request

[vague breach]

but we still wanna try making it ^-^

[sour kettle]

nice

outta curiosity whasit need code for specifically

[vague breach]

it's a surprise for now...

[lapis bough]

yea...

[sour kettle]

ah gotcha

[lapis bough]

uh yeah forgot to say that there wont be progress for a few days (not at home)

[sour kettle]

are you out somewhere for the holidays

[lapis bough]

yea

[sour kettle]

gotcha

have fun

[lapis bough]

thanks!!

[lapis bough]

i kinda wanna make progress but cant 😭

I also feel like it could be a good idea to make (at least some) levels more exploration-based, where you have more than a single path you can go. Think about it as Green Hill Zone in Sonic

maybe including at least one of these in each world

[sour kettle]

if you dont have access to nsmbe atm could always try sketching out some level ideas

[lapis bough]

we have a bunch of level ideas already, except that they're not specific enough (mostly ideas for gimmicks but not much of how to use them in various ways or the structuring of the levels)

thanks tho

[sour kettle]

oh by ideas i meant layout ideas

[zinc rivet]

@lapis bough i lost the texture for the "koopa skyscrappers" outdoor, u have it by chance?

Thats the only w6 texture i lost 😭

[lapis bough]

do you mean the billboard?

[zinc rivet]

Yea

[lapis bough]

i'm pretty sure i sent it in dms

or probably not...

uhh i did not

you probably didnt lose it (if i didnt give it to you in the first place) then

also i see in the screenshots (in dm) that you placed rain clouds on the worldmap. would it be possible to remove them for now? because apart from 6-2, i'm not sure about which levels will have rain in them for now

you could probably make a tree model later or something please? (later when i'll know which levels will have rain in them)

[zinc rivet]

Sure 😉

[lapis bough]

oh uh yea there has been some progress today

we replaced the star coin texture by a rainbow (tho the texture seems to "flash" a bit too much, i'm afraid that it might cause epilepsy)

[zinc rivet]

SHOW SHOW SHOW

[lapis bough]

we also changed the placement of some of the ui stuff on the bottom screen, so the "challenge mode" graphic can be placed on the left of the world-level number

[half vector]

New to this hack, looks fire honestly

[lapis bough]

thanks!!

[half vector]

YW

[lapis bough]

we made a custom graphic for the "challenge mode" ("ALT" blue text) and a custom graphic for the rainbow star coin, tho it uses way too many colors

the graphics are not imported into the game yet

[lapis bough]

the thing is that, if we wanna work on a new level, we'll have to make a custom tileset for like 95% of the cases

exception being if it's a non-underwater world 3 level, and probably 1-A (but not sure for ideas for it yet)

world 2 could work as well, but we've been thinking about modifying it, and taking assets from this tileset:
https://discord.com/channels/399424476259024897/1312612209020371045

so either way, we have to make a custom tileset for most custom levels we wanna make for now :p

the w4/purple forest tileset needs to be tweaked, because the grass doesn't loop correctly (and because the grass was one of the earliest things we did, there's a lot of work to do, and we don't have much motivation). we could technically make a level still but that'd be annoying

[lapis bough]

and the levels (well, level) might need to be retiled. 2-3 was already a pain to tile properly... 😔

[lapis bough]

for this, i guess we could either get a custom model with that ds rainbow effect (jpg64 please 🙏), or i could try (again) to reduce the colors' saturation

was gonna send the textures but guess i'll let Cloudie do it (because she really wants to)

[vague breach]

here are the 2 custom graphics ^-^
(very low res)

[lapis bough]

the star coin has WAY TOO MUCH colors tho

this part of the bottom screen graphics uses only 16 colors

[zinc rivet]

It can work for maps tho

If you have the code hack

Show the coin bester or cloudie 🥺

On level

[lapis bough]

i guess it could be possible to reduce it using nitro paint or the online tool that Purps has sent a while ago

[lapis bough]

we'll have to record it...

[vague breach]

you used this emoji, it's too cute i cant >_<

fine guess i'll record it then

[lapis bough]

forgot the image lmfao

[lapis bough]

the rainbow star coin looks like this with color reduction, kinda crap actually, especially when you zoom in

[vague breach]

hmm i think it's alright

[rapid abyss]

[lapis bough]

how many colors?

[rapid abyss]

16

as you said

[lapis bough]

wow nice

how did you do that tho?

[rapid abyss]

reduced colours to 16 only

[lapis bough]

well i did the same, using nitropaint, and got this

[rapid abyss]

i used color quantizer and later on nitro paint to have the pallete

[lapis bough]

oh ok

well thanks

[vague breach]

thank youuu ^-^

[zinc rivet]

That mod is getting so good ngl

[rapid abyss]

tho i got the similiar result with nitro paint

what format have you used?

[lapis bough]

thanks!!

[zinc rivet]

Yw ^w^

[lapis bough]

default, tex4x4

[vague breach]

thxxx!! ^-^

[rapid abyss]

i used 16 palette, since it looks the same when i import to nsmbe

[lapis bough]

oh ok

[rapid abyss]

when i tried tex4x4 it looked crappy, even if it was similiar nsmbe still changed the colours

[lapis bough]

oh yea it makes it similar to what you made

[rapid abyss]

yeah (left NP, right CQ and NP)

[lapis bough]

interesting

not sure which one to choose now lol

[rapid abyss]

i could make even a better one since i just used basic options in cq

[lapis bough]

what's cq?

[rapid abyss]

not basic, it was the ones i had before lmao

[zinc rivet]

Left better ngl

[rapid abyss]

color quantizer

[vague breach]

ohh nicee

[rapid abyss]

it's cool, i have it since i wanted to make ps1 game style, it has pattern that looks like it

[lapis bough]

oh ok

[rapid abyss]

and use it for reducing colours since i don't like NP one, it can have dithering too (like PS1 that i said)

[vague breach]

okay

seems useful

[lapis bough]

okay. is it an online tool or smth?

[rapid abyss]

yeah, especially with textures with a lot of colours

[rapid abyss]

you can download it through their site or the github, im not sure tho, just an app

[lapis bough]

oh okay then

[rapid abyss]

3rd one is the one i made now

and the best imo

[vague breach]

wooooo

[lapis bough]

wow clean!!

[lone jetty]

So, does color quatizer work better than NitroPaint?

[lapis bough]

it seems to take the best from the other 2

[rapid abyss]

I dunno really, i prefer the cq look, but i would need to take a closer look at the diferences with basic settings and NP 16 pallete

[vague breach]

hereeeee

[lone jetty]

Gotcha

[rapid abyss]

sharpness III starcoin

[vague breach]

lol

[lapis bough]

lmao

[rapid abyss]

I just use NP for the last process to have the pallete that nsmb uses

[lapis bough]

mind sending it please?

[rapid abyss]

yeah sure, i'll just clean it so it would look better

dm?

or here

[zinc rivet]

OMGGGGG SO GORGEOUS 🤩

[lapis bough]

here should be good, thanks

[zinc rivet]

The songs on this mod is also so great

[vague breach]

thxx

[zinc rivet]

Yall doing the best work ever

Yw ^w^

[lapis bough]

thanks

i feel like you're exaggerating 😭

[zinc rivet]

Nah im not, it looks so good

[lapis bough]

thanks a lot!!

honestly i think we couldn't have done all of this without the help of this server

[zinc rivet]

Yw! ^w^

[vague breach]

thanks again ^-^

[maiden leaf]

wow

hypnotizing

[vague breach]

yes lol

[maiden leaf]

good job

[vague breach]

thxx

[lapis bough]

thanks!

[maiden leaf]

yw

[lapis bough]

it's pretty much the same as the base star coin except that the texture is a rainbow sorta-spectrum

and because of the reflection material (forgot how it's called), it causes this effect

[lone jetty]

Damn, I really like the rainbow effect of the star coin

Great work

[lapis bough]

thanks

[vague breach]

thx

[zinc rivet]

@lapis bough tomorrow remember me exporting w6 nsbmd

[lapis bough]

okay

[rapid abyss]

@lapis bough

[lapis bough]

thanks!!

the left one has the changes you did manually?

[rapid abyss]

yeah, just took the colours and make it too look better

since the right one is messy

oh wait, i forgot add this to NP

but you can do it yourself, just choose palette16 and i choose enchance colours (even if it doesn't do anything or visible difference lol)

[lapis bough]

okay

gonna do it rn

done! and thanks a ton!

[rapid abyss]

No problem, i just have a one condition, show how it looks in nsmb 😈

nah, i really like when someone take the thing i changed or something and how it looks in game etc

[lapis bough]

the thing is that it's supposed to be imported with A LOT of other graphics (all the in-level bottom screen graphics)

which is, 1, difficult, and 2 we're making other graphics that are part of the same bitmap, so we have to finish those first before importing them all into nsmbe, otherwise it's more work

could still replace the wmap one tho

but it doesn't have the same color and bitmap limitations (because of a code hack i think)

oh nvm i got confused with the bottom screen wmap graphics. the star coin graphic is on the top screen, and part of another bitmap

this'll have to wait, sorry :(

[rapid abyss]

ohh.. i understand, then i'll wait B)

[viral rivet]

did you 4x4 compress this? this looks like you've done 4x4 compression instead of color reduction

yeah I can replicate what you did by running a 4x4 compression but with the palette size set to 16, which is probably not what you want to do

doing a color reduction to 16 colors (15 + 1 transparent) yields this for me

[lapis bough]

yea that's what i did (4x4 compression)

[viral rivet]

why

is it meant to be 4x4 compressed?

[lapis bough]

didnt know i had to change the color settings

[viral rivet]

normally you use more colors for 4x4 compression

[viral rivet]

ah yeah they are indeed very different formats

with palette16 you have 16 colors and each pixel is a 4-bit index into a color palette

with 4x4 you have the image split into 4x4 pixel blocks and each pixel is a 2-bit index into a palette of 4 colors specified by the low 14 bits of index data multiplied by 2 into a larger palette

so you can reference many more colors in total, but you're restricted in the amount of possible colors per 4x4 tile, and the palette tends to need to be larger to achieve passable quality

[lapis bough]

oh yea that's what used for models right?

[viral rivet]

often yeah

it's the most space-efficient texture format aside from palette4

[lapis bough]

yea that's why it gets weirdly compressed with models in nsmbe

[viral rivet]

perhaps

I don't know much about how NSMBe compresses them

but the format is really tricky

[sour kettle]

nsmbe generally handles them worse than nitropaint

[lapis bough]

seems to be the same format, because it creates weird squares with the colors

[viral rivet]

the way NP handles them was largely inspired by how optpix handles them :p

but with some more efficiencies considered

[viral rivet]

yeah I'd guess the same format then

a lot of really poor quality compressors exist which is annoying

but to some extent there are some compression artifacts you just can't avoid as a simple product of the texture format itself

in those cases then you may consider another texture format

[lapis bough]

okay

thanks

[viral rivet]

if you wanted a reference there's one on gbatek https://problemkaputt.de/gbatek.htm#ds3dtextureformats

[lapis bough]

interesting, thanks!!

[vague breach]

we fixed the forest tileset!!! ^-^

we can start making w4 levels now (if we have motivation that is...)

[zinc rivet]

Its the geometry dash inspired one?

That tileset is beautiful ngl

[vague breach]

yess thank youu

the grass now loops correctly, and we added bioluminescent mushrooms

(it was a pain to redo the grass though...)

[lapis bough]

thanks!!

[lapis bough]

world 4 map retexture! (might still need to change the tree textures tho)

and changing the name too

[zinc rivet]

THE ICONS

W1 W2 W6!!

Ill export the nsbmd today btw

[lapis bough]

they were made quite a while ago actually...

[zinc rivet]

For w6

[lapis bough]

okay!!

[rapid abyss]

I really like the w6 icon!

[maiden leaf]

looks good 👍

[lapis bough]

thanks!!

[vague breach]

hmm

Rainbow star coins in every world, or one star coin color per world?
🌈 - Same rainbow star coin for every world
🎨 - Different color star coin for every world

[zinc rivet]

Actually, I think one color per world would be gorgeous ngl

Maybe even with diferent icons (like i did on my mod)

[vague breach]

we thought about it...

but then in this case they would not really be rainbow star coins

so if we do this, there should be a star on one of the sides of the coins. after all, coins have 2 faces

[lone jetty]

I personally think having only one color per world kinda defeats the point of the rainbow star coins

But it's your decision after all

[zinc rivet]

Its possible to do actually

[vague breach]

hmm yea

we'll probably keep the rainbow star coins then ^-^

-# and they have that shiny ✨ effect

[zinc rivet]

Ngl i loved that effect

[lapis bough]

yea we'll probably stay with one kind of rainbow coin

also, tip for anyone who wants to edit worldmaps: nitropaint is way better at editing the textures than nsmbe

also, @zinc rivet , reminder to send the nsbtx

[zinc rivet]

OH TRUE, gonna send it

[lapis bough]

uhh when?

[blissful pulsar]

he forgor 😭

[lone jetty]

JPG moment

[zinc rivet]

@lapis bough promisse today or tomorrow its here 😭

Ill make the nbsta and nsbmd for it

[lone jetty]

Make the NBSTA and NSBMD

Now!

[zinc rivet]

Im already making it 😭

[lone jetty]

Make it faster

[zinc rivet]

@lapis bough u want clouds moving fast, slow or super slow?

[lapis bough]

slow i think

[zinc rivet]

Im finishing it

-# hope the vram dont explode 😭

Finished

[lapis bough]

world 6 and world 4!

world 6 model by JPG64

(original/unchanged model for world 4)

[lone jetty]

Damn

They look awesome

[lapis bough]

thanks!!

[blissful pulsar]

could maybe make thhe top grass in w4 a bit more green so it matches more with the sides?

but still i like em

[lapis bough]

it was recolored specifically to make it match...

is it not enough? 😭

thanks tho

[blissful pulsar]

oh LMAO
i mean its not neccesary lol its just that you can see how the top part is slightly more yellow

[lapis bough]

could be color compression, idk

but it was recolored based on the grass texture

[blissful pulsar]

o

[zinc rivet]

Tip: add sky box to w6 and w2 bottom screen

Otter than that looks good! (Ngl i didn't expected the map to fit so fckn well)

[lapis bough]

the sky box was added to world 1 because its a sunset

[zinc rivet]

Ohhh gotcha

[lapis bough]

its probably the most important element of the world theme

[zinc rivet]

But i feel it would fit if other worlds have it tbh, but looks good

[lapis bough]

thanks

[zinc rivet]

Im honestly hyped for this mod

[lapis bough]

thanks again

tho knowing ourselves its still gonna take a lot of time

[zinc rivet]

The world themes are good, i loved the beach cliff or City on w6

[lapis bough]

thx

[lapis bough]

at least to reassure you, i think that the first half of levels will take more time than the second half. this is because the levels always need custom tileset, graphics, and whatnot (and sometimes code hacks)

[zinc rivet]

Tbh i dont think a mod taking a lot of time is bad, by the oposite, its great, since how more time it takes, better it turns out

[lapis bough]

yea

but you said you were hyped thats why

[blissful pulsar]

honestlly this hack inspires me lmao

[lapis bough]

wow thanks

[blissful pulsar]

not cause of flower journey, but seeing how great yall seem to execute your ideas kinda motivates me since i have some other ideas for another romhack (NSMB, but thats for a whole other time when i finish FJ), and hope they'll be as great as this one
wish yall the best of luck

[lapis bough]

thanks a lot to y'all!!

[vague breach]

wow...

thank you y'all!! ^-^

[zinc rivet]

Same

[rapid abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/jumping-duck-crossing-road-smashed-slam-duck-gif-14223807

mario going to the mushroom house:

[lone jetty]

Lmao

[empty jungle]

Holy shitballs, this looks awesome

[lapis bough]

thanks!!

[lapis bough]

There are a few things we wanna do today but idk if we'll have time

those things could be:

• modification of a simple tileset
• changing a few sfx
• start working on 4-1

most likely not everything tho (if we even have time to do at least one)

i should really start to try making the animated waterfalls code hack soon tho... (by modifying Illy's double/triple "?" blocks code hack)

after this we'll finally be able to record 3-3. the only reason why it hasn't been updated on the channel yet is this

also i kinda wanna work on an airship level but we're trying to find more (and more original) gimmick ideas. probably gonna make it after 4-1

also we kinda started 1-A as well

[lapis bough]

uhh probably wont have time today unfortunately

[lone jetty]

Damn

[junior junco]

Well if you need an actor feel free to ask

I’m willing to write them for anyone who isn’t jpg 64

[lapis bough]

for the animated waterfalls, i kinda wanted to learn how to at least modify code hacks to make my own

[blissful pulsar]

what exactly are the animated waterfalls gonna be? Is it like just an animated nsbtx?

or are they gonna be in the background

[zinc rivet]

I dont need actors beside the animated checkpoint thing u said that u will do, istg 😭

[zinc rivet]

If hes not using the tileset with quicksand he can use that for waterfall

[blissful pulsar]

btw if it’s just this I can teach u guys how u could do smt like that

[zinc rivet]

TEACH ME THIS

PLEASE

[lone jetty]

So based

[zinc rivet]

I DONT NEED MORE CUSTOM ACTORS 😭

[lone jetty]

iirc, Bester said he doesn't want to replace the quicksand since it shows on a higher layer than Mario/Luigi

[lone jetty]

Suuuuuure

[blissful pulsar]

the nsbtx thing u mean?

[zinc rivet]

ISTG I ONLY WANT THIS AND FINAL BOSS 😭 😭 😭 dies

[zinc rivet]

Yea

Animated nsbtx

[blissful pulsar]

that’s like the one thing ik cause the rest is stuff that people already did and i just based off of it 😭

[lone jetty]

I'm gonna save these messages for the next time you request something

[blissful pulsar]

i could maybe write a smol guide later so sure

not now though

[zinc rivet]

Oki

Finally i will learn smth about code hack (istg ill use that shit for a lot of ideas i have)

[zinc rivet]

Remember, i said Custom actor, not a asm fix or smth

[blissful pulsar]

actually I do have an unfinished actor that was just meant to be extra decorations using nsbtx, and to make sure it doesn’t load a million files it just has like an array of stuff and then it checks the id u set

maybe i could finish it and use it as an example

[lapis bough]

yes

Illy's long question block is already animated. I think all I should do is change the dimensions, disable the collisions, and make my own nsbtx

tho the problem is that i'd also like to be able to place it in different z-layers (either behind or in front of the player), and being able to change the opacity to 2 different values (or set only a transparent one by default at least)

[lapis bough]

an interesting actor for airship levels tho could be those moles that throw wrenches and hide in the ground

[lapis bough]

i've been working on probably one of the least original tilesets of the hack during the past few hours (1-3h idk)

just a modification of Ztardust's NSMBU SMM2 airship tileset rip, with a few small additions

[lapis bough]

we're working on 4-1

but i'm kinda feeling like the level is pretty mid/boring so far

@zinc rivet (sorry if pinging bothers you), but you have the junglekusa retexture code? and you can use textures that don't have the resolution of the original junglekusa nsbtx, and they'll work fine and loop correctly, right?

[zinc rivet]

Hey, yea, i have the junglekusa code

You can use all type of resolutions, but they need to have 64 of height

[lapis bough]

okay!

[zinc rivet]

And the minimun size is 16 widght and 64 height

Ill send the code

[lapis bough]

alright

wait i'll check if we have the code already

yea we have it, no need to send it

[zinc rivet]

Here, you can add 4 retextures

Just change the IDs

[zinc rivet]

Oh oki, tho id recomend using that one since it allow more than 1 retexture

[lapis bough]

on the code hack i have, i can copy-paste a part to add more texture. it also already has some texture ids on it

thanks tho

[zinc rivet]

Ohhhh gotcha

[zinc rivet]

Yw 😉

[sour kettle]

whas the level like

[lapis bough]

guess i can send a screenshot

tho we changed the boring part into something else so

[lapis bough]

tho later because i'm changing some file stuff with everyfileexplorer

[lapis bough]

uhh the junglekusa code crashes for some reason...

okay fixed!

[lapis bough]

first half of 4-1 done

[sour kettle]

nice

[lapis bough]

the area overflow bug/feature seems to mute the music entirely for some reason

actually only the "warp from a level to another" feature. the actual bug doesnt affect the music

nevermind it seems to still happen?

[lapis bough]

when you wanna make something but that thing depends on something else but you wanted to do it after you did that other thing

definitely not us rn

[lapis bough]

it's either time or motivation

for now it's time that is lacking

[vague breach]

we made progress on 1-A today!! ^-^

[lapis bough]

i had the urge of making an airship level lately for some reason

it might replace 2- because we don't really have ideas for this level apart from moving stone blocks

[zinc rivet]

If you want i can make a w2 tree with a airship moving up and down

Like in ssmb airships

[lapis bough]

i guess you can tho it would probably need to still have the palm trees as well

[zinc rivet]

Its possible

[lapis bough]

well i guess you can then!

thanks in advance

i also have the idea of making something relatively simple (in the airship level) that has almost never been done before in nsmb ds somehow

it's shown here at some point in the video (it's something very small that can be done with some trickery)
https://youtu.be/6z_JUPjNIV4?feature=shared

also a few ideas from TLS actually come from this hack!

[lapis bough]

nobody's probably ever gonna guess so i'll just say 1:01

[zinc rivet]

Ngl i miss this era of nsmb modding, everyone wanted to make a nsmb hack, and it was super gool, and i feel really happy that its actually comming back after a loooong time

@lapis bough sorry for the ping, but how u did the water tile in City level? I wanted to do it for 2-2 and 1-2

[lapis bough]

solid + water + ice type

[zinc rivet]

Oh oki

Thanks

[lapis bough]

yw!

idea definitely not stolen from NSHackerB and/or AdventureSMB

lurking on nsmbhd when i was younger actually gave me ideas for the hack lol

[zinc rivet]

SAMEEE

[blissful pulsar]

hey now you can use the signboard with an a3i5 texture that looks like a water puddle and put it over the tiles instead of making the tiles with the water puddle /j

[lapis bough]

not sure yet but the hack might receive a name change soon or in the future

[vague breach]

hmm

we discussed the other day and we found 2 possible interesting names:
"The Rainbow Quest"
"An Alternate Sequel"

you can also "craft" names using this (in case you want to suggest something):
First word:

• The
• A/An
  Second word:
• Lost
• Rainbow
• Alternate
  Third word:
• Sequel
• Quest
• Stars

-# will anyone even see this >_<

[zinc rivet]

The rainbow stars would be great actually

[vague breach]

hmm there's a fangame called "Super Mario and the Rainbow Stars", so probably not because it could cause confusion

[zinc rivet]

Ahh i see

[vague breach]

(on top of that we could be accused of stealing ideas ;-;)

[lone jetty]

The Rainbow Quest sounds like a creative name

[blissful pulsar]

The Rainbow Quest sounds good to me

oh my timing

[vague breach]

wow

[blissful pulsar]

but yes TRQ sounds neat

[lone jetty]

I have bad Wi-Fi

[zinc rivet]

Smth like the star quest/the rainbow quest (as you sugested) and the lost stars also could qork

[vague breach]

there's also "An Alternate Quest"
(which a friend really wanted 😭)

[blissful pulsar]

-# now i'll be forced to change a word in a non FJ hack i thought of-

[sour kettle]

could prolly nix the the in rainbow quest

[blissful pulsar]

Rainbow Quest / The Rainbow Quest is fine by me

more fitting since u guys have rainbow star coins

[zinc rivet]

Yea same opnion

[blissful pulsar]

though have u guys considered changing the ''NEW'' by something else?

[zinc rivet]

The rainbow quest would be good

[blissful pulsar]

(or removing it)

[zinc rivet]

Tbh it gives a charm

[blissful pulsar]

like uh

[vague breach]

we thought about it but it might be better to keep "New"

[blissful pulsar]

fair

[vague breach]

so it's clear that it is an NSMB hack

[blissful pulsar]

a random idea:
Colorful SMB: Rainbow Quest

-# i think that sounds worse

[vague breach]

idk

[blissful pulsar]

smart

[zinc rivet]

I think that nsmb the rainbow quest sounds good

And interesting too

[blissful pulsar]

-# alternatively people wont think its an nsmb hack cause it lacks ''ds'' and apparently makes it ''not clear'' to people cause they think that nsmbds is the actual name 💖

[vague breach]

okay ^-^

[lone jetty]

Me when people asks me if my hack is a NSMBWii/2/U hack

[zinc rivet]

Ngl, if i didn't knew the hack, and saw the name "nsmb the rainbow quest" i would be curious and check it, and the hack is also good, wich would keep me interested in the project

[vague breach]

also the "new" part of the logo also looks really cool we don't want to scrap it ;-; Bester did a good job with it

[blissful pulsar]

true lol i love the logo for yall's hack

[zinc rivet]

Once a guy DM-ed me asking if ssmb was a nsmbw mod, or a SM64 mod, bro, WHY SM64 😭

[zinc rivet]

Agreed

[lone jetty]

Bruh

[vague breach]

there's no way it is sm64 😭

[zinc rivet]

Truee 😭 😭

[blissful pulsar]

''super sakura mario 64''

[lapis bough]

thanks!!

i just realized that if we remove "sequel" from the name, we'll have to remove the short description explaining that the hack is a leaked unfinished sequel prototype

https://tenor.com/view/yes-very-sad-anyway-loki-sad-loki-gif-22079369

[zinc rivet]

The rainbow sequel?

[lapis bough]

that... would sound a bit weird?

[zinc rivet]

Yea maybe

Im bad with name ideas QwQ

[sour kettle]

the questy sequelenticious rainbow

[zinc rivet]

NO 😭 😭 😭

[blissful pulsar]

✨🌈 rainbow🌈✨

[lapis bough]

the alternate questy sequelenticious rainbow stars*

[lapis bough]

progress slowed down because we recently got the hyperfixation of making a ytp 😭

(it's in french tho)

[empty jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/king-harkinian-dinner-blaster-angry-twitching-evil-laugh-gif-4108307586733867560

[zinc rivet]

😭

[lapis bough]

Random level ideas drop because yes:

• 4-1 (currently being made): Scuttlebugs + Splunkins
• 5-3: Snowball Avalanche: huge snowballs that you have to avoid (inspired by the cancelled "NSML" hack i sent the trailer of, earlier)
• 3-B: Unagi's Depths. also the level where i wanted the "shake god" actor for
• 7-3: A Wii-msical Comeback. inspired by an nsmbwii level
• 1-A (currently being made): another silhouette level with piranha plants and jumping cheep cheeps as the main gimmicks

5 out of the 25-ish ideas we have of levels so far

[lapis bough]

thank you Ztardust for publishing this in the nsmbhd thread

and my idiot-self just realized it's already in the rom 😭

thanks still

[lapis bough]

this ^ is an explanation of the world themes

[vague breach]

1-A gameplay mostly done! but we're not very proud of how the second half of level turned out... ;-;

i said gameplay because the tileset needs a rework and then we'll place the deco stuff

(it's the silhouette tileset)

4-1 is half done btw but no progress has been done on it for almost a week ;-;

[lapis bough]

any suggestion on stuff we can add on an airship tileset?

[blissful pulsar]

ladders

[lone jetty]

I could possibly be able to suggest something if I could see how the current tileset looks like, but I imagine you guys don't wanna showcase it

[lapis bough]

it's not too special honestly

just the basic nsmbu smm2 airship tileset with extras

[lone jetty]

Nice, I like these new adittions, I also love the Bowser Jr. metallic box

[lapis bough]

thanks!!

[lone jetty]

How about a Bowser statue and a climbable chain?

And you could also add anchors below the chain

[lapis bough]

a climbable chain would probably be weird? idk

i guess we can add this tho

[lone jetty]

I mean, I added climbable chains in some of my tilesets

[lapis bough]

we'll probably need to draw them from scratch tho

[lone jetty]

Something like this

[lapis bough]

yea like smb3

[blissful pulsar]

yeah i thought of chains but the climbable part did feel a bit odd so i just suggested ladders lol

[rapid abyss]

swinging chains?

is that possible to do?

it's better than just climbing them imo

[blissful pulsar]

swinging vine retexture 🤔....

[lapis bough]

i guess?

[lone jetty]

I actually had that idea for one of my levels 😭

[lapis bough]

honestly we're most likely not gonna use the swinging chain so dw

the anchor seems complicated to make 😭

[lapis bough]

i have crappy wifi

so what do you think now?