Sakura SMB DS

[remote star]

Also i have ssmbe

[floral hemlock]

JPG read the thing above

[remote star]

Ssmbe have custom actor support

Add ronzer and rex

[trail vapor]

there are a few rex's on munchers, but they're not really an interesting gimmick combination i think

tho yeah i agree, the level kinda feels gimmick-less

[sweet owl]

Munchers are just deco

fancy spikes

[remote star]

Theyre better than spikes cuz make the level less artificial

Unless its a castle

[fickle sphinx]

jpg can i give critique

[floral hemlock]

Ronzer model

@remote star could you send me in dm's your version of rozner (with bones)

i need to improve it sligthly for the anims

also i completaly remade the star coin room

it's so weird lol

@remote star i need to send it here lmao

[remote star]

LMAO

[floral hemlock]

Updated first part of 2-2

[remote star]

For those munchers that are on semisolid

Ill create a tile behivour

For the semisolid to damadge mario

Damadge on all sides + solid

If u want to u can add btw

[floral hemlock]

man that looks sick

except the flame and particles

@remote star sent me the sprite of it

man i gotta remake you this tileset too someday lol

[remote star]

Its in the obj folder and jyotyu pallete

Enemy pallete**

[trail vapor]

no... it changes a lot from the original concept

[remote star]

Tbf the original one wasnt too fun and was really hard

So in this case its a fair change

[trail vapor]

i probably just don't really like change in general... idk

but yeah the new concept still reuses the idea of the porkpuffer so that's nice. tho i'm not too much a fan of how the tiles look: kinda empty, and some stuff doesn't tile really properly (munchers and semisolid corners)

[trail vapor]

i actually kinda regretted saying that like 30 seconds after lol

[trail vapor]

maybe making the semisolids larger at the bottom, and smaller as they go up?

[trail vapor]

oh pretty cool!! i really like the use of ronzers, it makes the level feels less "gimmick-less".

not a fan of the entrance to the bonus room tho. the pipe is just there, with little to no indication and very little ground to get it right

also it kinda lacks coins and maybe a few more enemies. will the rexes be added back into the level or not?

also i'm not fully sure about Jouner improving even the levels now... is he gonna improve everything at this point?

[remote star]

Im kinda safe about it, tbh some of the levels im the hack need a improvement so its a nice thing

The levels are too repetitive and i already dont know what to do so this gave me a bit more hope for the levels being fun now

[remote star]

Also yea, rexes will be back

Beside boss levels, Every level in w2 will have rex

[floral hemlock]

The indication is the tree itself, that's why i was running back and fourth, note that i won't add any coins till i will be sure im happy with the design

that's just how i make the levels

[remote star]

@floral hemlock add rexes too

Oh btw

The redes need to be added in the ground

Ill show how

[trail vapor]

i feel like it would have been better if you added a bit of ground and the tree on it. having the tree in the void can be counter-intuitive (and this has been told to JPG multiple times before)

[trail vapor]

okay then

[remote star]

@floral hemlock

[floral hemlock]

About this, i just gonna improve every area that is just "bad" and unfair, take a look at the 4-B i just moved one celling part to one more tile further, fixed that rude first star coin and just moved a checkpoint to far behind (and just cleaned whole level so it could just look better in nsmbe lmao). in 2-2/A case i found the whole first area just weirdly designed and i take inspiration of SMB3/other games because of the placement of munchers so it could be right, i still take the original elements from Mosquito/jpg version but modifiy it

[floral hemlock]

redes?

[warm condor]

redes = nets

[remote star]

Rexes**

[warm condor]

[floral hemlock]

nets?

[remote star]

No the rexes

[floral hemlock]

JPG i will

idk

[remote star]

All w2 levels should have them

When u add them, put them like this on the ground

[floral hemlock]

why 😭

[warm condor]

talking about rexes

[floral hemlock]

they're gay

[warm condor]

fun fact: Star Scramble 1 is the only Star Scramble without rexes

[floral hemlock]

🥀

[remote star]

Cuz w2 is rex land

[remote star]

Ill add them there then

[floral hemlock]

THAT DOESNT MEAN IT HAS TO BE THERE EVERYWHERE

"YOSHI ISLAND"

[remote star]

But add them in the level 🥺

[floral hemlock]

IN YOSHI ISLAND YOU SEE LITERALLY YOSHI IN FEW AREAS

[trail vapor]

oh okay then

[floral hemlock]

ONCE IN A WHILE

[warm condor]

[remote star]

But theyre the main gimmick of 2-A alongside of munchers 😭

[floral hemlock]

THEYRE THE MAIN GIMMICK IN EVERY FUCKIGN LEVEL

😭

[remote star]

YEA 😭

Add them plis

[floral hemlock]

JPG GO TO BED

There will be dw

[remote star]

GO WITH ME THEN

[floral hemlock]

WTF

YES

[remote star]

YUPPI

[floral hemlock]

but you really shouldn't make them main gimmick in every level, that's repettive 😭

[remote star]

Yea true

They will just apear in the level tho

Not being the main gimmick

Only in 2-5 and 2-A they are

[floral hemlock]

WJAT

which colour blocked the player ?

not the camera?

[remote star]

None iirc

[floral hemlock]

😭

i was sure one had that behaviour

@remote star will you make a ? block that spawns mushroom if small and if big a boomerang?

it annoys me that it spawns all the time the boomerang

[remote star]

Its a bug

It will be the same block

But it will spawn mushroom

[crimson dome]

The pink one

[remote star]

OHH I DIDN'T KNEW THAT

[trail vapor]

the pink block behaves like a solid (but invisible) block, if that's what you want

[floral hemlock]

yeah this one!!

thanks yall

i remember it i think from zstar level

[trail vapor]

yw

[floral hemlock]

@remote star do you have the model of that stupid big fish or you need to export ot?

[remote star]

I need to export it

Its from nsmb2

[floral hemlock]

would you mind exporting it for me??

[remote star]

Sure

Wait actually i think its in models resources

https://www.models-resource.com/wii/newsupermariobroswii/model/2509/

[floral hemlock]

@remote star are you using Newer DS rain?

[remote star]

Yea

[floral hemlock]

if so, do you want to use mine from #1207793065524199455 or you want me to make completaly new ones?

it's not hard

[remote star]

I can the one u made yea

[remote star]

Oh if thats the case a original one yea

[floral hemlock]

@remote star you know what? 😭 I have decided to use #1207793065524199455 one since there wouldn't be literally no difference with new or that since it's just line, since this is how i believe they would look like in nsmbds

if you want them to look more like newer ones i can make them like that

[severe heart]

Hi

[floral hemlock]

Hi

[remote star]

Hi

[trail vapor]

!H

[tender river]

Hi

[floral hemlock]

remade tileset 🔥

I'll keep the old tree for now

since it's nicely fitting to the style

not enough tho

@remote star how is the tileset named? 😭

idk if you answered me before

i made an mistake while making a gif

lmaooo

[floral hemlock]

FINALLY NORMAL LOOKING TILESET TAB

[edgy heron]

normal looking?

[floral hemlock]

it was very messy previously iirc

[edgy heron]

oh lol

[trail vapor]

wdym "normal" it wasn't normal before?

[floral hemlock]

it starts looking cool

[floral hemlock]

yes,

[trail vapor]

also slopes + bg walls + special tiles (to make it repeat diagonally) are a crime...

[trail vapor]

it's either special tiles OR bg walls imo

[floral hemlock]

Catch Me If You Can Mr Holmes

[warm condor]

are you meant to spin a lot in the level /jk

[trail vapor]

i'm not the one who'll go through the pain of tiling everything so......

[floral hemlock]

there was no pain in tilling? 😭

[trail vapor]

tho idk if the blank tiles of the objects overwrite stuff or not

[floral hemlock]

actually idk why there are blank tiles lol

but they don't thtankfully overwirite

[trail vapor]

but i just know i always rage in nsmbe whenever i place these kind of tiles. either because the way i wanna use them doesn't match the way they tile (and so i have to do some weird stuff like extending it in the ceiling, or using object 0), or because you sometimes can't select whatever is behind sometimes

and when you only wanna make 2 of these slope tiles with a background tile, it's even more of a pain... so i just make it not slope-y in the tiling (no special tiles)

[floral hemlock]

What do you mean by exactly special tiles?

it confuses me 😭

[trail vapor]

forgot how they're called

but tiles with parameters like 80, 81, and 85, which make it repeat diagonally

in a white box when making the tileset

[floral hemlock]

ah, you mean that

[trail vapor]

yeah

sometimes i even add both variations in a single tileset: slopes with "special tiles" and the same slopes without them; because of how annoying they can be imo

[floral hemlock]

yeah exactly, i noticed it now lol

[trail vapor]

sometimes they work fine so there's at least that

but when for example you combine multiple kind of slopes, they become annoying

[crimson dome]

Yeah, I usually don't like using slope controllers in those kind of slopes because it would be really annoying to set up otherwise

[floral hemlock]

so It's better without slope controls?

[crimson dome]

It's just personal preference at the end of the day

[floral hemlock]

Do you consider it better without slope controls?

[trail vapor]

i personally consider the slopes with bg walls better without slope controls

[edgy heron]

i tend to make the normal slopes use the control, while slopes that have extra to it (bg tiles, decor, etc) I add them manually

[trail vapor]

pretty much the same

sometimes i don't use any slope control tho (both because laziness/motivation loss after making the rest of the tileset; but also because of the wrong slope control extending everything downwards)

[floral hemlock]

my god finally finished

if someone was thinking why i put the pink wall tile, acorn powerup

? 😭

ah i forgot about this part LMAO

@remote star PLEASE UPDATE THE TILESET NOW, IM GONNA CRYYYYYYYY

[remote star]

Send the tilset .nmt in dm

Ill add behivours for you

[floral hemlock]

updated tileset

[trail vapor]

for the ceiling, i suggest making it higher: 7 empty tiles between the view's border and the pink blocks. Ztardust suggested this once because it's at this height that hitting the ceiling doesn't make a sound

[trail vapor]

you didn't put the tile behaviors for the water puddles. it should also have "water", and to make it slippery set its type to ice (tho idk if jpg wants the slipperiness, probably tho)

[remote star]

I Added it already

And fixed the slope behivours too

[trail vapor]

also what i had suggested was putting some ground to land on around the pipe. the tree is still a bit counter-intuitive

[trail vapor]

perfect then

[floral hemlock]

Skill issue and i see that

that's why im gonna just put it one more tile closer

maybe two but i'll see

[trail vapor]

more like, put yourself in the perspective of a new player

also taking in account the level's difficulty and the world's difficulty. it probably would have been fine in world 8 or something

the coins are also not very centered, i imagine a new player dying 1 or 2 times trying to reach the pipe

also considering that the pipe later leads to a bonus room with another "challenge". putting 2 "challenges" for a single star coin is a bit too much imo

[floral hemlock]

I'm literally the person that does that and speaks the loudest about it 😭

i play those level many times while designing and find countless errors

[floral hemlock]

I personally think it's alright move to it being another "challenge"

[floral hemlock]

I do not know how im exactly have to do the difficulty since JPG said iirc that this hack is supposed to be hard especially in later change

the thing i made i believe is balanced but i need more opinions regard that

[floral hemlock]

I completaly forget to show yall it in better quality

i gotta make it bigger one daay

and force jpeg to make the vertex colours

[remote star]

I do not want to make those path animations again 😭

Diagonal path animations are traumatic

[floral hemlock]

you'll do

that's why i said to you to first show me how it looks in game

now it's your fault

[remote star]

ILL NOT DO DIAGONAL PATHS 😭

[floral hemlock]

JPG GO TO SLEEP AND THINK OF YOUR BEHAVIOUR

[remote star]

GO WITH ME AND LETS SLEEP TOGHET THEN

[floral hemlock]

[remote star]

LMAO

[remote star]

W2 is looking good

[crimson dome]

8 tiles*

I always do this since there might be cheaters who would want to cheese the entire level with the moon jump cheat code

[floral hemlock]

imagine cheating like this 😭

alr i'll do it then like this

[sweet owl]

I usauly go really high up to lmao

Unless I need to cut down chunks for the level to run on real hardware

[crimson dome]

In those cases you could just try to add an invisible solid tile to the tileset and place it very high up outside of the view, you won't be able to go through the ceiling and the chunks won't be taken into account

Also, it is worth mentioning that there's no need to do this in levels that do not have a ceiling

[fickle sphinx]

slope controllers are gooder facto objectivo

[fickle sphinx]

for some parts the lighting is mirrored whihc looks weird imo

[fickle sphinx]

can i give critique

[sweet owl]

seeing these world maps reminds me that I need to make my ones

they are just really time consuming so thats why I havent done them

[trail vapor]

i don't like the way the clouds behind have their bottom edge look like a flat plane that looks like it's simply placed on the clouds

[floral hemlock]

if jpg done that correctly and there were vertex colours it would've been better

[floral hemlock]

made boomerang suit texture blue lol

i need to wait till jpg sends me the model to fix the cap lol

[warm condor]

That's better

[remote star]

Send me

[floral hemlock]

jpg, i'll send you when i will finish

i will literally remake you whole texture 😭

[remote star]

Optimize it too

[edgy heron]

btw i wanted to mention that I’d suggest making the boomer shell smaller if the player isn’t gonna go inside it

[trail vapor]

isn't it the same size in sm3dl/w?

[edgy heron]

maybe, but the reason I’m suggesting this is because due to the lack of animation changes that the blue shell needed to look fine, then the shell in boomerang looks a lil odd

the crouch in the image is an example

and like i don’t think jpeg wants boomer to go in shell so my suggestion was just to make it smaller

[trail vapor]

okay then

[floral hemlock]

lmao

[remote star]

Real

Finally u will make it be peak again

If u want edit the wing and shell too

[floral hemlock]

holy shit your textures are so bad

and inconcistent

^ im talking about the mario face but yeah

[floral hemlock]

in this model i actually added 2 triangles so the ears at the hat part wouldn't be so big lol

tho you can expect more from shell one

[floral hemlock]

actually the reason why here the cap is blue is because of me lmao

because i changed one part which was red

MAN YOUR TEXTURES ARE SO UNOPTIMIZED

ALSO WHY YOU DONT HAVE FACIAL EXPRESSIONS FROM ORIIGNAL GAME

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

you are bringing those back

i dont care

[remote star]

Nah ssmb removed those for vram

[warm condor]

basically

Mario is everytime like this in your hack: 🗿

[remote star]

Istg i never noticed mario blinked in ssmb before editing the files

[warm condor]

ah yes, i like ditongo the files

[trail vapor]

says "lmao"
shows image of a 3d model of mario's head with the custom shuricorn powerup (seemingly being the reason why lmao was said)
doesn't elaborate
leaves

[trail vapor]

LMAOO WHAT NOOO 😭

[remote star]

It looks like mario head is in a plate

Like those where people display ob wall with animal heads

[warm condor]

the scarf-like thing doesn't look like a plate to me

[floral hemlock]

@remote star

[floral hemlock]

average jouner moment

[remote star]

OOOOOO

Bro made it hd

Peak

Love u

[trail vapor]

hi tmr? the models resource?

[remote star]

Yea, i edited a mario head from tmr and used part of it in the texture

[trail vapor]

oh okay. nice easter egg

[floral hemlock]

@remote star i have a thing to ask you to do ;3

[remote star]

Hai

[floral hemlock]

if you can obv

[floral hemlock]

いいえ

UM

download a mario model and show me it's head uv

especially hat one

ears

other stuff...

[remote star]

Im not on pc rn but i can do it later for sure

[floral hemlock]

alr then nvm

thanks

HOW THE FUCK WERE YOU MAKING THOSE UVS

WHY THEYRE SO DIFFERENT FROM ORIGINAL MODERL

MY GOD

IM REMAKING THAT THING

alr see ya tommorow

[hasty crane]

I are have leak Acorn mod

[remote star]

[hasty crane]

Character reveal 😱

[remote star]

LMAO LUIGI

1-1 is the only one who have luigi in this image

The other ones is not rexy, but a egg

[hasty crane]

New move unlocked: the wiggle

[remote star]

Cant wait for the new boomerang and acorn head lol

[floral hemlock]

please don't expect much, it still will be near exact same

just the new textures and slightly different mesh

since i need to remaking everything to be accurate

[floral hemlock]

bring it back bro 😭

you are paranoid about this v ram 4 real lmao

[remote star]

I cant, otherwise every model will be white

Iirc other hacks removed that too

[remote star]

No in ssmb its actually pretty consumed

William even posted a image showing it

[floral hemlock]

please confirm me this someone

[floral hemlock]

show it

[remote star]

Illy removed it from her hack

[remote star]

Sure

Here

[floral hemlock]

alr jpeg, I believe you

[floral hemlock]

do you want different colours of the acorn suit?

[remote star]

I have design idea

What if they have the original acorn colors

But

With a shuriken bag in the wing model

Small one ofc, but would be nice

[floral hemlock]

that's my design idea from the previous year

sure

also thank god

[remote star]

Wait true

[floral hemlock]

finally normal palette for acorn suit

love it

[remote star]

But yea do it

[floral hemlock]

NO STAY WAY JPG

alr, false alarm

[remote star]

DO IT IT WILL BE PEAK

U could make the hat more like original nsmbu acorn?

[hasty crane]

I have an idea for an original powerup that fits the sakura theme more that would replace the acorn suit. Let me draw it (prepare for bad programmer art lmao)

-# Note: Acorn is fine, but I wanted to share the idea I had while playing

[floral hemlock]

i forgot it was different lol

[floral hemlock]

you are modeling that thing

thanks

[remote star]

he's just sharing the idea, not meanig its actuslly replacing axorn

[remote star]

CUTEEEE

[floral hemlock]

im not gonna make that shitty hat bigger

i hate it

[floral hemlock]

jpg have you heard of something called "trolling" ?

[remote star]

make it bigger for acuracy pls 🥺

ctrl + L the hat

[floral hemlock]

jpg i know how to do basics in blender 😭

sure

[crimson dome]

Jouner, you don't know this, but you can ctrl + L the hat

[floral hemlock]

i dont even know what ctrl + l does

like the fuck you mean linked all

L works normally

i dont want to know this shit

anyway, no mustache mario

not suprised he got friendzoned by peach

oh my god because of jpg i need to redo the ears

what can i say without getting a warn?

@remote star I'm gonna throw you to the abyss and wish you to burn in hell

[sweet owl]

Removed what?

[remote star]

the blinking animations

[sweet owl]

Nope

I have them

If you are playing as Mario, Luigi or any other non yoshi character

[floral hemlock]

see jpg?

your rom has skill issue

[hasty crane]

Alright, I am terrible at drawing but my idea is to pivot from Flying Squirrel Mario to "Hakama Mario"

Uses a Sakura themed parasol to float down (you could also do a "flapping" animation with one of those hand-fans, but I think parasol would work better)

Has a shuriken in his hand to 1) communicate that he has a projectile 2) some visual flare

This would also swap the Acorn Mushroom to a "Hakama Mushroom"
-# Also sending a drawing of Mario in a hakama Nintendo did for new years in 2020 for a better visualization of what it would be so my idea isn't lost in my lack of drawing ability

[hasty crane]

-# (I honestly didn't need to draw anything to get my point across but if I never practice I'll never get better lol)

[floral hemlock]

that is actually cool concept and i would like to do that

tho the clothing part might be a pain slightly lol

like everything won't be a problem apart making accurate styled textures but the hardest part would've been the clothing due to animating it later on

take the peach model for example

but yeah, if JPG says he wants it and knows how I could do the clothing exactly, I will like to do it

[warm condor]

Pls don't draw at 3am

[floral hemlock]

I will make an petition to ban you

https://tenor.com/view/postal-petition-gif-22801949

[remote star]

Interesting concept ngl :0

[floral hemlock]

@remote star

remade the hat

it's now way more accuraate

[remote star]

YEYYYYYY

Yo

Btw

What if u add a shuriken icon in the hat

Like this P

[elder crystal]

He'll be coding it too

Tbh I've never really liked how acorn mario can also throw shurikens

[trail vapor]

to me it feels a bit overpowered yeah

and kinda feels like "we crammed both into a single powerup because no more powerup slots" (even tho there's also the boomerang flower)

[floral hemlock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1367276390663196752/1376953469122121778/dr-house.gif

remaking this hat

[remote star]

OOOOOO

[floral hemlock]

gotta somehow measure it to mario and later clean lol

[remote star]

Ill keep acorn dw, the idea is intresting tho, but i like the acorn powerup

[remote star]

Tbh i did that cuz i didn't wanted to give you more trouble in coding a separate powerup while it could be Merged into a "original" powerup ig

-# and the shuricorn looks peak tho ngl

[remote star]

Remove those bones from mario head btw

[trail vapor]

it looks cool but it's overpowered

[remote star]

Actually i can remove it

[remote star]

I mean the shuriken cant kill every enemy

In w4 and w3 it only used for glide cuz shuriken cant kill the enemies there

W5 too

[trail vapor]

i guess then

i still feel like it would have made more sense to make it separate, and make it so it can kill a lot of enemies just like the hammer suit

[remote star]

W2 and w1 the shuriken is more usefull, w2 a bit less because of some enemies, and from the progression the shuricorn only works for glide cuz the shuriken cant really kill the powerfull enemies

[remote star]

The boomerang suit is the most powerfull ssmb item alongside bubble flower (bubble flower even more)

The shuriken is more like a better fire flower with gliding

[fickle sphinx]

what makes the boomerang better

[remote star]

It can kill most of the enemies

And break blocks

Colect coins

[trail vapor]

i still feel like what i explained would make more sense. but it's your hack so your choice

[remote star]

I kinda just dont want to make the shuriken and acorn cuz it would be more work for William, and he already help a lot so i dont really think asking this would be fair

[fickle sphinx]

what if you got will to make 3 more new extra powerups that are secret

[remote star]

No 😭

[floral hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-super-mario-64-sm64-super-mario-goku-gif-2924386200580697487

[remote star]

https://tenor.com/view/void-memes-cat-void-mejor-me-void-eyes-gif-14708429958419784806

[floral hemlock]

most annoying *

[trail vapor]

well i guess you could ask will if it would be a lot of work for him or not?

[remote star]

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-mario-s-uper-mario-brothers-bully-sadmad-gif-7763186

[elder crystal]

it really wouldn't be a lot of work

[remote star]

Wait really?

If so, u could do it? (Dont need to be now ofc)

[hasty crane]

What you mean code it, it’s the same power up functionally lmao

[floral hemlock]

JPG \

YOU ARE IDK

YOU DONT THINK

YOU COULDVE JUST EXTRACTED THAT MF AND USE ITS SHELL AND TEXTURES

I'LL SELL YOU

I PROMISE

WAIT

IM THE DUMB ONE

YOU ACTUALLY USED IT

OH FUCK

[trail vapor]

LMAO 😭

[remote star]

BUT I DID 😭

[floral hemlock]

@remote star

[remote star]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOO

THIS IS SO FUCKING GOOD

[shy wraith]

looks good.

[floral hemlock]

my head model is 2.5x more poly 🔥 😭

[remote star]

How much tris

Bellow 350 is fine asf

[floral hemlock]

oh man, i forgot about this detail

it holds his face

[floral hemlock]

whole head mode

is it alright?

[remote star]

Neat

[remote star]

Yup

Original nsmb head is 400 💀

[floral hemlock]

my head is now 404

[remote star]

😨

[floral hemlock]

:D

[shy wraith]

does that mean my ds can double as a grill if I play it on real hardware?

[crimson dome]

JPG, Will has coded like 85% of your hack, da hell you mean with "I didn't want to give you more trouble"? 😭

[shy wraith]

key word is "More", JPG has a limit of how much trouble he wants to give Will per day.

[remote star]

Shut up, i dont see William as the code guy 😭
He is nice and i see him as a friend not the code guy and thats it 😭

[trail vapor]

wow i like the new texture!!

[remote star]

Same!

[trail vapor]

Jouner's head is not found

[trail vapor]

why did i read "not the code as a guy" implying that will is code in the form of a guy 😭

[remote star]

LMAO 😭

[remote star]

LMAOOOOOOOOO 😭

WHY I READ THAT WITH MATT ROSE'S VOICE

[trail vapor]

lmaooo what 😭

[warm condor]

i think i've never seen too many 😭s

[floral hemlock]

that's actually true since im not intelligent

[hasty crane]

Lmao

[elder crystal]

yes if you'd like

[remote star]

Yea would be neat

Make the shuriken use a custom head but not a shell, i have a design idea

And edit the current shuriken code so shell mario (acorn) dont throw shuriken anymore

[floral hemlock]

I improved the mario textures for jpg

and slightly bring back original mario palette

sadly not to the original one 😔

[remote star]

Still better than mine and pretty similar to smw so its fair

The old buttons was white wtf

[floral hemlock]

yes jpg, they were silver...

[remote star]

Why they was like that 😭

Istg i didn't added that

[fickle sphinx]

mario has white buttons in world doesnt he

[remote star]

Its orange

Kinda beta sm64 mario

[fickle sphinx]

seems whjtw tobme

[floral hemlock]

No jpg

dont even think

[remote star]

I remember it being orange.. 😭

Tho its ugly white

[floral hemlock]

they did it probably the same reason why did they yoshish arms orange

or no...

idk why they did that

theyre dumb since 80s

[remote star]

Orange yoshi arm was a error

[fickle sphinx]

maybe its the same reason link has pink hair that one time

[warm condor]

the good thing is that they fixed Yoshi's arms in SMA2 and SMM1 and 2

[remote star]

Iirc

And mario is Orange buttons

[fickle sphinx]

how do they compare in game

[warm condor]

Mario doesn't have orange buttons in SMW

[floral hemlock]

JPG will send me the new rom with updated things after i finish every model so yeah

one more left tho

and made this

[fickle sphinx]

he is Orange buttons

[warm condor]

well, i'm confused

[remote star]

Cut the shell texture, so we loop it

1/3 of the texture

[fickle sphinx]

he has orangy buttons for the paper mario 64 art fwiw

n a stylish black rim

[floral hemlock]

jpg

that shell model is ugly

love u

[floral hemlock]

NO SHIT SHERLOCK

😭

[floral hemlock]

Imma one day give you a texture 512x512 and tell you its 32x32

just so you vram would blow up for no reason

[remote star]

no

:3

[floral hemlock]

dont annoy me

[remote star]

Ill add that ring of the acorn mario on the wing instead of the head

[floral hemlock]

@remote star

fixed your shell

[remote star]

Green

Blue***

[warm condor]

i agree

green fits better for hammer

[floral hemlock]

no shit sherlock holmes

[remote star]

Actually idk wich one is im dumb

[floral hemlock]

jpg for some reason make it red and it was red boomerang bro

which confused people it being normal flower (like me) LOL

Anyway can't wait to show yall new improvements

[warm condor]

red for boomerang feels like...

why?

[floral hemlock]

literally lmao

@remote star where is the boomerang texture located?

[remote star]

Mario_shell.lz.bin

[floral hemlock]

@remote star JPG I MEANT THE ACTUAL BOOMERANG !!! 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[remote star]

OH

Its blue already

[floral hemlock]

how 😭

did you change it?

im not trusting you

[remote star]

Yesterday

[floral hemlock]

GIVE ME IT

WHERE IS IT

[remote star]

U will see in the new rom

[floral hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-immortal-invincible-angry-where-is-omniman-gif-12301134070869383990

[floral hemlock]

I NEED TO BE 100% SURE ITS THE CORRECT COLOUR

[remote star]

Acorn wing pls

Tga

In dm

[floral hemlock]

THE FUCK YOY MEAN

ah

[remote star]

@floral hemlock

[floral hemlock]

Woah, so cool!!

nice job jgp

jgp

jpg

[remote star]

Thx!!

[floral hemlock]

I gotta check boomerang bro textures to make them more accurate lol

alr send me the rom 😈😈

[remote star]

Nah this one is better

[remote star]

Bet >:3

[floral hemlock]

I meant the hue jpg

[remote star]

I replaced 2-1 acidentally

Ill need to backup

Im dumb

@floral hemlock export 2-1 for me and send in dm

So i update the rom

[floral hemlock]

LMAO

I'm washing rn but I'm leaving in a moment

give me a sec

[remote star]

Sure

I love how i replaced 2 stuff wrongly

[remote star]

Meow

[floral hemlock]

did you need to ping me...

bro I'm naked

be happy we are not in dms

thanks

[remote star]

I FORGOT TO DISABLE THE PING LMAO

[severe heart]

Too much information

[severe heart]

Woof

[remote star]

Meow

[floral hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/denji-woof-gif-26950473

[severe heart]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-and-gretel-disney-disney-plus-hamster-grant-gomez-gif-10959085060186598488

hamster noises

[trail vapor]

this is getting out of hand

[warm condor]

have you seen spanish speaking servers?

[remote star]

I said "meow" now everyone is making animal sounds 😭

[remote star]

Brazilian servers are worse

Theres server where the names channels are like:
Shitting general
Hdjafhhajd
Idk
Mario
283882r82993

1 and 3 In portuguese ofc

[warm condor]

spasnish speaking servers:
general: for everything
memes: decoration
rules: decoration
off-topic: decoration
commands: decoration

[trail vapor]

i have seen spanish speakers in my server... that's enough for my sanity

[remote star]

Brazilian servers are on the same level

But worse

[crimson dome]

I usually do not like to moderate this thread because JPG said himself that he doesn't mind what people says in his thread, but please, consider that most people who follow this thread does it because they want to stay tuned with updates from this hack, not to see these weird ass conversations

[remote star]

But i think its kinda ok tbh

[crimson dome]

I do not

[remote star]

Fair

[crimson dome]

And I don't think these kind of conversations should take place in any channel, better to have these kind of conversations in DM's or whatever

[trail vapor]

i thought the boomerang would have the white color and blue color switched. tho probably because it's how it is with the boomerang bros

[floral hemlock]

let us discuss about anything, it's very important for the future of SSMB!! 🗣️ Spanish and speaking servers and meowing is very important 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

[trail vapor]

also JPG about splitting the acorn and boomerang suit, are you gonna do it or keep it as the shuricorn?

[remote star]

Since William said its easy im willing to make the shuriken a separate item

keeping the acorn as the blue shell replacement ofc

[trail vapor]

he probably didn't say it was easy but he did say it wouldn't be too difficult

[remote star]

Yea that what i meant

[trail vapor]

you mean code-wise?

[floral hemlock]

Im not letting you to make a power up sprite

[remote star]

Rn the shuricorn replaces the blueshell, when splitting, ill keep the acorn as the blueshell replacement, while the shuriken plant become a separate icon like bubble and boomerang

[remote star]

😭

Fine do it to me then

Its a shuriken plant

It have Pink leafs bte

[floral hemlock]

you can make send me a drawing but yeah

[floral hemlock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/399424476728655893/1378709656641208320/opera_AFtvfdJb3k.gif

[remote star]

I can send the old sprite,

,

[floral hemlock]

sure

[trail vapor]

JPG send your own shuriken flower sprite

[trail vapor]

oh

[floral hemlock]

leave me alone

[remote star]

This is the only images i found

FUCK I MISCLICKED 2 😭

Here we go again

I hate myself

[trail vapor]

image 2 works tho

pretty sure there are older screenshots in the server tho

[floral hemlock]

wth jpg

do you want new SSMB logo?

[warm condor]

the acorn:
the flowers:

[remote star]

Ill search them

[remote star]

YES

Pls pls pls

[floral hemlock]

you want mario head on iit?

[remote star]

Try putting mario and rexy (8bit bcs of compression, 16 colors only)

@floral hemlock

More 2

[floral hemlock]

OH HELL NO, YOU ARE NOT GETTING REXY IN IT

[floral hemlock]

i hate that power up model but sure...

[remote star]

PLS SHE'S PART OF THE GAME TOO 😭

[floral hemlock]

jpg you dont have to tell me how many colours or whatever when i know about it, i would've asked otherwise 😭

[remote star]

Put rexy too pls

[floral hemlock]

jpg send me the game in dm's 😭

[warm condor]

shuriken flower's eyes should be white

[remote star]

U can redesign it if u want

[floral hemlock]

cursor

jpg where the boomerang texture is located?

boomerang

also the back looks great

[remote star]

its one of the .narcs, nsbmd icon .narcs, i dont remember rn but i can check

[floral hemlock]

np, i will find it

thank you

[remote star]

yw!!

[magic bloom]

Bro is

[floral hemlock]

gay

[trail vapor]

wow nice!!

Sakura SMB is having a lot more budget lately

wait does the boomerang flower stuff (helmet and shell) reuse mario's palette or not?

[floral hemlock]

the budget is 0$ and Jouner's sanity going to trash because of jpg

[floral hemlock]

@remote star

Man this is my favorite detail

I didn't need to add it at all but it helps the model in game very slightly difference it and not blend it so much

only at 3x lmao

but it's a very cool small detail imo

[floral hemlock]

jpg clean your monitor

[warm condor]

have you seen my desktop?

[remote star]

Its not my fault that i have to clean my desk and monitor 4 times a day cuz here its poluted 😭

[trail vapor]

the blue parts. aaand i just realized what i was gonna say wouldnt make sense

[remote star]

Ill update to 4.0

Blender

[floral hemlock]

^ because i forced him btw

[trail vapor]

Jouner you've been using this emoji too much lately, time to ruin your day

||this trollface emoji is mirrored||

[remote star]

EvilBester7

[remote star]

Updated

ITS BETTER?!

NOWAY?

IT DONT LAG

[remote star]

u DIDN'T forced me tf ur saying 😭

U asked me to update and i did (best blender version ur the best 🔥)

[floral hemlock]

trolled

this one is hd

and mirrored again

anyway, did yall know that im older by exactly one day when troll face became a meme?

[floral hemlock]

Could someone suggest how i could make it work while looking good? Im talking about the lava going into the water and i have no idea how i could make it look right?

JPG dont talk i know

-# jk

and how i could make it look good on the ground rather look like it's just a flat texture lol

the lava is the biggest issue for me to make on this map so id be happy if i get any good suggestions on that

[trail vapor]

maybe obsidian? or make it fall into some sort of lava lake

also adding some vertex colors stuff (both on lava and ground)

[floral hemlock]

I would preffer visual representation tbh rather saying what, since i will spend more thinking of it how i should do it rather look at something a figure out what can look good

and by visual representation i mean, anything, espeically from 3D/pixel art things but IRL stuff works too

[trail vapor]

don't force me to open ibis paint again... (or i could do it in minecraft)

[remote star]

Do in minecraft, would be nice

[sweet owl]

Reminds me of my hammer shell

[remote star]

Yea its similar

[floral hemlock]

maybe not minecraft...?

[floral hemlock]

jpg, if you want i can give you the map and he will send you the minecraft screenshot and you will understand me why it's not that great idea exactly

[remote star]

😭

[floral hemlock]

i need something from either a game that has something to do with lava and water in somekind of part (not that you are making it) or IRL live

i want to add there definitly a smoke so jpg will have to play around with transparency

[remote star]

Maybe something like that
-# white is smoke

[remote star]

I read your mind

[floral hemlock]

man i gotta check god of war ghost of sparta

it had volcano part near atlantis or something like that

[floral hemlock]

JPG, I DONT SEE HERE NOTHING 😭

[remote star]

Solidified lava

It start orange and end Black and glassy

[floral hemlock]

alr, for the lava "lake" part i will add this to the sides definitly

[floral hemlock]

JPG, try to draw it with more friendly colours and slightly more detail alr? 😭

by detail i mean, more resembling those things

[remote star]

Idk drawing 😭

[floral hemlock]

try again just 😭

[remote star]

I did My best 😭

[floral hemlock]

I mean this kind of thing guys, if yall have any reference this kind of from upclose it would've been great (or if yall are able to draw it can work too)

[crimson dome]

I had already suggested you to make a platform around the lava so that it doesn't directly fall into the water

[floral hemlock]

wouldn't it be better with lava falling into the water?

[crimson dome]

Something like this

[trail vapor]

yeah that's what i meant when i said "lava lake"

[crimson dome]

I feel that would be kinda weird, if I were you I would have done it as I suggested

[trail vapor]

could be a larger surface of ground around in what i imagined tho. but both could work

[floral hemlock]

omg this thing will take alot of tris even if it will have block with rounded edges lmao, ill see then and try to think of something

[remote star]

Wait yea

The problem of this is the tris

[floral hemlock]

nope, definitly not weird

[remote star]

Yea cuz irl it happens

[floral hemlock]

not that it irl happens only, but many other games have done it too

but i don't know how i could do it in nsmb

[trail vapor]

tbh i didn't really plan anything specific when i made the lava land into the water in the ibis paint thing i made

[remote star]

Just do a raw transition and hide it with smoke

-# totally not how it happens irl fr fr but ok

[floral hemlock]

The best thing from a game i've seen is this one from Crash Bandicoot 3

which is ps1 era game

[sweet owl]

Do u have an eta on those tile sets if mine that u we’re gonna an improve btw?

[floral hemlock]

eta?

[sweet owl]

When do you think they will be done

[floral hemlock]

The tilesets? That really depends on my motivation, rn i have motivation to do ssmb stuff

but i can comeback after i finish w2 someday if nothing else will keep my mind then

[sweet owl]

fair

[floral hemlock]

Alr this is how W2 looks so far

What should i change? add? improve

We do not talk about: uv's, not rounded edges, not finished stuff that obviously will be done shortly after (grass edges)

oh and i know lava yes

[crimson dome]

I would personally suggest adding decorations in the rocky parts of the ground, like skeletons

They don't even need to be 3D, they can be 2D planes like the rest of decorations

[floral hemlock]

If i were to want to make 3D bone decorations you should send me to psychiatrist

Yeah exactly good thinking, i completally forgot that i send JPG those skulls from the tileset

thanks zstar!

[crimson dome]

👌

[floral hemlock]

i hope you will eat it

this is actually a great inspo lmaooo

why are you not suggesting me watch this shit

thanks jpg

😭

man if you still had freezeflame jpg i wouldve done you such a cool tileset rn

[trail vapor]

eww freezeflame

i mean in practice it's a cool concept, but it has been overdone to death

[remote star]

I kinda wanted original themes for ssmb

All the themes are now original

Even w1 turned original from the way u made it

Freezeflame is oretty overused

[fickle sphinx]

new succulent theme idea: burnfrost

[crimson dome]

Why do you want to burn Frosty? He hasn't done anything wrong

[frail estuary]

What are the current themes

[frail estuary]

Shiverburn

[remote star]

Blossom plains (w1)
Volcanic paradise (w2)
Night village (w3)
Haunted pine plains at night + mountain desert (w4)
Space + acid + blackhole (w5)

Remember that the combinatioms create a full theme

W1 -> W5

[frail estuary]

Please no solid vanilla tileset being used as a semisolid 😭

[remote star]

Nah

I dont use the vanilla tilesets on ssmb so its fair

[frail estuary]

The mountain tileset in the 2-A screenshot

You also have a tiling error in that image btw

You used a corner with mountain background instead of the inside corner

[remote star]

I didn't made the level but its the correct tile

It just have shadow

[frail estuary]

Really?

[remote star]

Yea

[frail estuary]

Looks like there is a wall extending underneath tho

[remote star]

Because it have

It fades into the Stone

[frail estuary]

Can you show me another place in the level where an inside corner is used

A little less close to the bottom of the screen

[remote star]

The level is unfinished yet

[frail estuary]

I don't think it was meant to be an underwater tileset 😭

[remote star]

What is even a underwater tileset 😭

[hasty crane]

Me when it floods:
B-but my house isn't an underwater tileset 😢

[remote star]

LMAO 😭

[frail estuary]

Grass underwater is a little cursed

[hasty crane]

Ok I'll give you that :p

[remote star]

I mean this area dont start underwater

In my defence

The water start going up

[frail estuary]

What's up with the pipe joint on that last image

The pipe isn't making a corner there, so it's a little odd

[remote star]

The pipe would float if stay there

The tileset have a 1 pixel gap

[frail estuary]

I'd recommend just extending the pipe

[frail estuary]

Not really something any of the games have worried about in the past, but it is an interesting point

[remote star]

The pipe would not conect to the tileset

If the pipe dont conect on the tileset then where mario is going to

[frail estuary]

You'd need specific tiles for that in this game, huh?

[remote star]

The munchers are so cute lmao

[remote star]

I mean not really, the pipe joint have apeared like that in some games and looks alright

[hasty crane]

I think he means just extend the pipe to the left

[frail estuary]

I hate the solid base game tileset being used as semisolids 😭

[hasty crane]

So it goes off screen

[frail estuary]

^ yeah

[remote star]

Yea maybe

I kinda like the joint tho

[hasty crane]

To answer: no. Unless it's a connect pipe, then you need a pipe or pipe joint to hide Mario

[remote star]

Mario get invisible

[hasty crane]

Oh huh

[remote star]

After entering the pipe

[crimson dome]

There's zero need to add a pipe joint if the pipe doesn't change directions tho

[remote star]

Fair

[frail estuary]

I mean specifically making the pipe connect to the wall

[remote star]

It wouldn't conect

It have 1 pixel gap

So mario would just teleport

[hasty crane]

Guys y'all are missing the REAL rason

[remote star]

LMAOOOOOOO

Exactly guys

[crimson dome]

Yes, if you want pipes connected directly to the wall you would need to add those tiles to the tileset itself, otherwise the pipe would have one pixel of space between the wall and the pipe

Unless the tileset walls don't have 1 pixel gaps or anything

[frail estuary]

Yeah, that makes sense

[remote star]

Guys forget everything about pipes and lets create squidgames 2

[frail estuary]

In U, pipes are models that you can place overlapping with tiles and they will appear behind them

[remote star]

Ndy dont aprove squidgames 2

[fickle sphinx]

oh yeah tilesets like the grasslands snow forest etc have special tile objects for cases like these

usually one of the sides gets unused

[frail estuary]

Can I see what they look like 👀

[fickle sphinx]

im in bed rn but i can see if theyre on tsr

[hasty crane]

https://tenor.com/view/principal-skinner-no-seymour-skinner-the-simpsons-hesitant-gif-15806752

:p

[fickle sphinx]

theyre basically just walls but slightly edited to be wider

[frail estuary]

Presumably so they can be used with any colour of pipe?

[fickle sphinx]

i suppose

[fickle sphinx]

they only have grasslands one on there

the forest has some roof tiles for this too

[crimson dome]

A fun fact is that Nintendo made a bunch of tiling errors when using pipes next to walls in the vanilla game for whatever reason

Like this

Or this

[remote star]

They just dont know making a game

[crimson dome]

Or this

[frail estuary]

Kissing the edge of the zone issue?

[frail estuary]

Ew

[fickle sphinx]

wonder why they bothered with the double entrance there

[fickle sphinx]

not like megamario can fit

[crimson dome]

Yeah, the programmers who spend dozens of hours coding an entire game don't know how to make a game, sure

[hasty crane]

Mini mega Mario

[remote star]

The coding in question:

[fickle sphinx]

trur

[frail estuary]

Seems they had a different opinion on how terrain should be tiles around pipes while making that level

[hasty crane]

Maybe originally the 3rd star coin wasn't behind the exit

[remote star]

Maybe

[hasty crane]

Wait hold on goofs, we should prob move to #general or #nsmb-chat

Sorry JPG

[remote star]

Nah dw, its oki

[crimson dome]

The red pipe has empty pixels between the walls while the rest of the view is filled with background walls, that's the error

[frail estuary]

Oh, yeah

Makes sense

[trail vapor]

this tileset lacks corner tiles (or at least corner tiles with grass) and i hate this

[trail vapor]

the w1-C background looks kinda compressed. i feel like you should import it with nitropaint instead

[floral hemlock]

you would change your mind if i made a great tileset and zstar his level with it

it's funny that my biggest issue with tilesets are decoration ideas

[floral hemlock]

no it's not

why?

because i said so and i create stuff

[trail vapor]

if it's used in only one level and called something else than freezeflame (and does not use any assets from n*wer) then okay i guess

and if the freezeflame theme is well incorporated into the level (eg. actually combining hot and cold gimmicks instead of just placing both of them)

[floral hemlock]

do you really think i would ever put somekind of TILE from Newer???

that's disrespectful!

[floral hemlock]

because of that im weird kind of person i would put every enemy that i find sligthly cool and gimmicks and force zstar to somehow combine all of these

[trail vapor]

okay a bit exaggerating here

[trail vapor]

i meant any assets, like the song too

[trail vapor]

if i said that it's kinda because i remembered about this tbh
#nsmb-showcase message

[crimson dome]

I made only one freezeflame level in my hack, and people will say it's shit regardless because "oh no, freezeflame, Newer has already done this and this is overused, lame 🤮"

[trail vapor]

tbh i think i exaggerated

i think what's annoying is when people specifically reference newer (eg. reusing the same music or tileset) or reusing the name (tho the name alone is fine i guess because it could also just be a reference to galaxy)

[crimson dome]

Yeah, and the freezeflame theme is not exclusive from Newer, Mario Galaxy has done it before Newer, but now it turns out that Newer Team owns the freezeflame concept

The same reason why nobody can see an autumn themed level in a hack because apparently, it's a Newer DS copy, and SMB The New Worlds has done the autumn concept before Newer DS even existed

[frail estuary]

Oh, since you're here now
What was your thought process with the inside corners of that tileset?

They're quite unusual

[trail vapor]

yeah honestly there's also that which kinda sucks, some people would associate some themes with newer

[crimson dome]

Newer just has had a huge impact on the New Soup modding communities and some people just can't get over it

[trail vapor]

once again i also think i exaggerated earlier, sorry about that

[frail estuary]

To be fair, the less we've seen a concept the more creative it feels

[floral hemlock]

inside corner?

this?

i forgot to remove the shading from the side

fun fact

it's the first tileset ever made by me in which i have copied corner tile to the inside corner tile

in any previous one i have made new one

yall dont notice that anyway but yeah

[frail estuary]

So it's actually just a mistake?

That makes sense

[floral hemlock]

yes

do you think i would leave something ugly like this forever?

[frail estuary]

No, that's why I was asking

[tropic hound]

Why do that when ice + poison is all I'm saying

[remote star]

Interesting

[remote star]

@floral hemlock

I wanted to make the color like that

[floral hemlock]

No jpg.

[remote star]

How can i make the color similar to this?

[floral hemlock]

make it unique atleast if you want to change a colour

[remote star]

Cuz it being gray dont makes sense with the bg

[remote star]

It need to match the bg

That why i wanted to make it more Brown ish

[floral hemlock]

no it doesnt, gray one is already good too

[remote star]

But dont match the bg

Kinda like nsmbds og did

The mountains match the bg

Or rock tileset

[floral hemlock]

and? not everything needs to match

[remote star]

I wanted to make the player feel that theyre walking on the same rocks as the bottom

[floral hemlock]

jpg, im not giving you an idea ever again 😭

[remote star]

Colors

Last is original

[floral hemlock]

original

you can play around with the colour I suggested in dms

(you might get original tileset then too since it's easier to work with this colour )

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@floral hemlock this looks great, can u at least try it

[floral hemlock]

[remote star]

It looks good tho

And feels like this

[floral hemlock]

why do you want brown so much, such an ugly colour 😭

any other colour will be more unique that this one

[remote star]

Its more orange than Brown tho

But any other color cant fit much a rock Rather than yellow/red/brown/orange/gray and such

Exemple

For space it would fit tho ngl

[floral hemlock]

no jpg, you are not just creative and research.

[floral hemlock]

why are you using the most ugly shade of purple for this tileset

for this example*

you have literally good example from nsmb with w8 tileset

[remote star]

I kinda wanted to make it feel like the background

[floral hemlock]

this one is too saturated

[remote star]

But it fits the bg

U see, every mountain/rocky tileset always fit the bg

[floral hemlock]

you can always change the bg to different colour then?

[remote star]

Except underground, not always they fit

[remote star]

But reimporting bgs is bsd

And volcanos dont look good in another color

And hey this dont look bad

[floral hemlock]

JPG it's because you don't experiment or search up stuff, you can literally find lots of volcanos from mario series or mountain ones that contain any different colour than grey and brown or even combine each other and looks great 😭

[remote star]

But Brown is good

[floral hemlock]

you just do a conclusion without searching things up my god, do you want my folder with references? 😭

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For this bg

[floral hemlock]

then make it look great atleast 😭💔💔💔

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Do it for me 🥺

[floral hemlock]

no.

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Then let me keep this one 🥺

I promisse never change it again

[floral hemlock]

jpg what you want to change since it got messy