Sakura SMB DS

[edgy heron]

and also the really elevated map points

[trail vapor]

yeah the map points, there's that

oh

fire flower bug? why is it not the first time i see it... (i saw it for example in nsmbu ds)

[remote star]

Its a bug in The custom powerups wich fire flower and mushroom cant be collected with boomerang

[trail vapor]

yeah weird bug

[remote star]

It i fixed already

[trail vapor]

in nsmbu ds it happens when you try to collect the fire flower with a mini mushroom i think. probably a powerup hierarchy bug or something

[floral hemlock]

jpg, can you try starting making a bit better screenshots?

i mean, without the emulator buttons and better quality if possible

it's okay if you don't do that but im sure it would've been better

[remote star]

The quality im not sure why it gets like that, but ill do it for the button n stuff

[floral hemlock]

try to search up in the settings somekind of option regarding screenshotting

[remote star]

Yea ill do

[floral hemlock]

man

pain

[remote star]

This map is so horrible

Feel free to change everything (beside the path if possible)

Ngl idk why i did that type of map

[floral hemlock]

Sure, if you want then suggest anything you want in it

[remote star]

Try taking inspiration from nsmbw w6

[trail vapor]

the path should have some height variations imo

[remote star]

And remove the lava since no level have it

Yea true

[floral hemlock]

one level will have now, thanks

[remote star]

2-A

The one next to the grass level in the left

[floral hemlock]

JPG, can you make this in w1?

it's 3 layers

[remote star]

@floral hemlock u can change the Y position of stuff in the path, pls dont change the X and Z tho since it would be hard for me to edit

[remote star]

Ig yea

[floral hemlock]

i want to do the same thing on w2 too

[remote star]

Its possible

[remote star]

If u want to u can do this btw too

To add height variation

[trail vapor]

my suggestion for the worldmap is: this, but in 3d
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1193719548009009192/1362599092240384070/1012_Sem_Titulo_20250412151434.png?ex=6880e20b&is=687f908b&hm=4fc23e47402a5e1986558bc2539bdf0bfff0b0ac34d434510640f382b251a31d&

[remote star]

OOOO

Ig without the grass tho but yea its pretty neat

[trail vapor]

something that gives the same vibe, with grass, the volcanoes, some rocky floor, etc

[remote star]

Peak ngl

@floral hemlock what u think?

[trail vapor]

(i've suggested this like twice... but okay)

[remote star]

HE ACCEPTED YEAAAA

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-squid-game-2-cheers-happy-excited-gif-13406404385856133045

[floral hemlock]

i love you jpg

dont change

[remote star]

I love you too :3

[trail vapor]

also i kinda feel like the grass should be kept, at least in some places. for example that one rainy level with munchers has grass, so it could be represented on the worldmap

[remote star]

Yea

[trail vapor]

and the trees usually (not always) grow where there's grass around too

[floral hemlock]

how the hell did you do this jpg

it's suspposed to be ___

not |

😭

[remote star]

WHAT IS THIS 😭

[floral hemlock]

now good luck doing this in w1

penis

[remote star]

LMAO

WHY IT DONT HAVE FACE

WHY I DIDN'T ADDED FACE

WHY IT DONT EVEN HAVE FACE

[floral hemlock]

do you have any beach tileset?

[remote star]

Nah

[floral hemlock]

and could you send me current w2 tileset

or just send me every tileset you have lol

😭

IN DMS JPG

[remote star]

Oops

[floral hemlock]

YOU STILL HAVENT UPDATED IT EITHER

ILL MURDR YOU

[remote star]

This one is the one i have on my ohone

phone*

The game one is updated

[cyan stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-meme-shrek-shrek-aww-shrek-aw-meme-gif-26645502

[floral hemlock]

layout spoiler

[remote star]

Airship next to bridge 🔥

Ngl this is fire

U made the shitty layout GOOD

Btw @floral hemlock u dont need to hide the house

I can move it unlike the nodes

[floral hemlock]

ah shit i forgot it's an airship level

[remote star]

@floral hemlock do it like that

[remote star]

KEEP IT

LOOKS GOOD

[floral hemlock]

bridge stays

but the other idea i had

[remote star]

I LOVE IT

ITS PEAK

[remote star]

On the sand part, add a rock in the node part, remove the paths and add bridges

[floral hemlock]

learned how to bevel correctly

now i can remake w1 again

[remote star]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-squid-game-2-cheers-happy-excited-gif-13406404385856133045

[floral hemlock]

why 😭

[remote star]

[remote star]

I dont plan adding a beach level there (maybe ill do, ill see, but it will not be completelly beach)

[floral hemlock]

I PLANNED SUCH A GOOD LEVEL

SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS PART

DIE

[remote star]

Then ill use it

But add this rock still

Cuz ill use that island tileset u made

[floral hemlock]

yes

let me make the level 🙏

[remote star]

Add grass patch here btw:

[remote star]

Sure ofc

[floral hemlock]

how does that level look like?

[edgy heron]

???

[floral hemlock]

we moving this level then on here

it will fit better i guess

[remote star]

This level have secret exit

[floral hemlock]

yes exactly

ah wait

[remote star]

While this one dont

[floral hemlock]

switch order of those levels then and modify the areas

that level will fit perfectly to that place

[edgy heron]

wdym by this

[remote star]

Oki

[floral hemlock]

read below

[remote star]

@floral hemlock moved

2-2 now 2-A

[floral hemlock]

ELTS GOOOOOOOO

[trail vapor]

this worldmap is not what i had imagined at all...

[floral hemlock]

yes

because it's in progress

[trail vapor]

i guess

[remote star]

Done

[floral hemlock]

wait so you want the rock ground on the middle of the path?

[remote star]

@floral hemlock bullet bill level on 2-2

[floral hemlock]

because i want to do footprints path actually

like from marioarrt hack

[remote star]

I didn't wanted to make mario jump cuz its kinda annoying to do

Couuld u add the bridge and rock, so i dont make mario jump, but add foot print in other part?

Of the sand?

And palm tree and such

Oh when exporting dont do ctrl j

[floral hemlock]

then send me palm models, trees and other stuff that im too lazy to export

[remote star]

Ill add to the tree model

[remote star]

Ur ok with this idea? 🥺

[floral hemlock]

I'll see as i continue on this map

wait, will any level have a lava?

it would've been cool if yeah

[remote star]

Yes

[floral hemlock]

omg which one

[remote star]

Ronzer level

[floral hemlock]

alr

[remote star]

GOAT IDEA:
ADD A RONZER NEXT TO THIS LEVEL

[floral hemlock]

😭

can you make multiple tree models?

[remote star]

i can add mutiple stuff to the tree model

[floral hemlock]

progress

[edgy heron]

i think the water should look more wasteland-y or more polluted so that it matches the bg lol

-# and also the worldmap

[remote star]

OOOOOOOO

[floral hemlock]

the bg will probably change

depends on JPG

[floral hemlock]

also normal water is good ;p

[remote star]

Yea the bg is diferent in levels too

[floral hemlock]

then send me the in dm's the one you want

[edgy heron]

it was a suggestion!

it just depends on what the map ends up like lol

[remote star]

@floral hemlock

[floral hemlock]

yeahh yeahh i know

^^

eh, not bad

[remote star]

They have a white vertex paint, u could make it gray

[floral hemlock]

it's not a vertex paint

it's an actual texture lmao

5 secon fix if there is a tileset

[remote star]

LMAO

Nintendo...

[remote star]

Use the vanilla volcano

[floral hemlock]

yes

[floral hemlock]

that was a good move man 😭

they could make more visible vertex paint

[remote star]

Fair

[floral hemlock]

Are you still using the same train?

[remote star]

Yea

Ill send the tileset for it so u could improve

This is the train

[floral hemlock]

oh my god

wouldn't it be better recoloring this thing to red or black?

😭

[remote star]

Would break the level effect

[floral hemlock]

😭

i will break you instead

[edgy heron]

freaky jouner

[remote star]

Look at the weels

[floral hemlock]

YES I LIKE BIG TRAINS, WHAT?

[remote star]

The train in this level is pretty big yea

Bigger than the w3 one

W5 will be bigger tho

[floral hemlock]

holy fuck how the sand from w3 is so ugly

i remade it

@remote star

i gotta make those foot prints smaller

anyway, here full map in this moment

[remote star]

An u make the sand in the same level as the rocks so i dont need to make mario go down and such? 🥺
Like a bigger mount of sand

[edgy heron]

JPEG MAKE HIM GO DOWN OR IM MURDERING YOU
WE NEED MORE VARIATION IN PATH Z POSITIONS

[floral hemlock]

i wanted to say that

[edgy heron]

-# respectfully😁

[remote star]

Ok ill do 😭

[floral hemlock]

jpg we need atleast one jump variation

it will be worth it

[remote star]

I mean ill modfy the path animaion and map code anyways so its fine

[floral hemlock]

could you show me jpg whole map in game?

and pathing?

how mario moves and sees?

[remote star]

Oki

Video?

[floral hemlock]

yes

[remote star]

@floral hemlock

[crimson dome]

Is there any way you can make the edges of the ground less sharp and more rounded? Because it seems a bit strange to me that the whole ground is made of pure sharp cubes

It also feels a bit weird to me that the skybox is randomly mirrored

[floral hemlock]

It's a very common way to make a worldmap in this style or any other, since the moment I bevel it I might have later issues with it being accurate to other stuff or generally having good uv, and I change the ground all the time

I will do it the moment that I'm sure I'm happy with the placement and shape

[floral hemlock]

jpgs fault for making mirrorable background 😭

[floral hemlock]

could you also send me in dms that tree model??

I need to put them out

also could you please send me a screenshots of every level?

in their most interesting part or something

so I could know exactly their gimmicks and how they look like

I want to express them on the map slightly

[remote star]

Its not mirrorable 😭

[remote star]

Sure

The tree model is a separated file btw so when u export, export the model for the map, and then the model for the tree (the tree will have the: tree's, airship, jumping fish and ronzer)

@floral hemlock

[floral hemlock]

look at the image file 😭

[remote star]

OH

Mb

[floral hemlock]

I mean actual tree model

green

leafs

lmao

I want to put them out somewhere and we good

[remote star]

Yup ik, its because this file have a airship too

So thats why i said that

[floral hemlock]

now it's good 🔥🔥

[remote star]

Wait no

[edgy heron]

honestly whenever i make rounded edges i just use a set of 3 values everytime and just extrude the edge using those values till it makes a rounded corner lol

bevel is definetely better tho, but it can be problematic at times

[floral hemlock]

if you're making wrong or very complicated shape

rounded corners for yall

@remote star how should i improve this part?

[remote star]

Add small volcanos and bushes

[floral hemlock]

where volcano?

[remote star]

In thr ground

[trail vapor]

still the case...

[floral hemlock]

jpg, i'll eat you

[trail vapor]

imo the worldmap rn feels like some rocky plateaux on which the player walks on, and with some volcanoes randomly placed around, sometimes on these plateaux

[floral hemlock]

yes

that's called an island with dinosaurs

[trail vapor]

what i had imagined was making a more island-like worldmap, with a bit more land, larger volcanoes which would blend with the ground

kinda like how it looks like in the backgrounds, but on the worldmap

literally imagine if the volcano backgrounds (the one i sent earlier and the one that is the current bg of the worldmap) were turned into a 3d space which mario could go around of, just more island-shaped

[floral hemlock]

alr then listen, i'll add grass

[trail vapor]

-# please don't force me to draw what it looks like in my head in ibis paint...

[floral hemlock]

lmao dw

[remote star]

Dont add much grass since its a rock world, add it in that island and in some tree spots

Like they said

[floral hemlock]

jpg dont annoy me

sure

[remote star]

[floral hemlock]

how to add grass

how to grass

too hard

@remote star draw me a grass 😭

or wait

since the beach are will use island tileset

then i will need to use this one too

How can i pair those up to look good?

ugh

[remote star]

This grass for 2-A
And the island one for the beach grass

[floral hemlock]

i'll remake this for you someday...

@remote star funfact! you will be the first person (before zstar) to use my island tileset

and it will be extended + improved massively

[remote star]

HELL YEAAAAA

[floral hemlock]

but there is a problem

[remote star]

Ronzer is nice ngl

[floral hemlock]

how can i express this tileset here

[remote star]

I have 3d subnohara so dw

Hmm

[floral hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/hampter-gif-9138029819265344336

[remote star]

Add some small parts in the sand with the rock and grass part of the island tileset

Or add a bridge with a higher part in tbe node, That would remove profunity tho

[floral hemlock]

draw it jpg ;3

[remote star]

So first option is better

[trail vapor]

something like that

yes i had the sudden motivation to actually do it in ibis paint lol

[floral hemlock]

alr im doing this thanks

now help me out with the sand are

[trail vapor]

yw!

[floral hemlock]

a

[trail vapor]

how 😭

[floral hemlock]

i want to use somehow my island tileset 😭

[trail vapor]

also feel free to change this to whatever you want, or change things you don't like (or keep things you like). it's just a general idea of what i had imagined

[floral hemlock]

alr, i'll figure out somehow the grass texture and i do this

[trail vapor]

okay

[crimson dome]

This is actually peak, I'd like to see this concept in the final worldmap

[trail vapor]

thankss!!!

[remote star]

@floral hemlock Please do this

Bester gave like the idea of the year bro

[remote star]

IKR

[edgy heron]

didnt read messages below so stuff might already be suggested but i think you can start by varying specifically how the paths are layed out because they look a bit too ''in-grid'' without too much variety

considering jpeg said he'll remake the map i think you have all creativity at hand

[edgy heron]

omg wow ok i didnt see this thats so awesome

jouner do this now

[remote star]

The path actually i cant remake cuz i lost the .gbmap 😭

Click here with if you want to jouner to do this

[edgy heron]

remake the gbmap

[remote star]

Nah

[edgy heron]

aw

[remote star]

I dont have the area ids anymore and remaking path animations is kinda lame

[crimson dome]

@floral hemlock MOVE YOUR ASS

[floral hemlock]

then ask jpg to help me with textures and planning other areas

@trail vapor would you bean able to make this more detailed or explain in a way i could understand the way i should do it?

[trail vapor]

uhh, basically grass, and rounder edges for the rocks

for the big blue circle

and for the other one it's just an edge (i should probably have filled the gap where the bit of water is)

[trail vapor]

wow thanks!!

[trail vapor]

thanks!!

[trail vapor]

also i feel like the volcano should be larger here (or at least i made it larger. if that's on purpose you can keep it)

[floral hemlock]

Please think of that it might not be visible on the actual map so much

[floral hemlock]

You can imagine here how everything might be visible

[crimson dome]

For the lavafalls, perhaps you could use this texture

[edgy heron]

is that the 64ds texture for the lethal lava land interior lol

[floral hemlock]

i want to do the lava similiarrly how the lava locked in W8, i don't really know how i could blend those too lol

[trail vapor]

fair then

[floral hemlock]

if you have a DS screenshot so i could use it as a reference then it will be epic

[trail vapor]

this or the one JPG used in the old version

[crimson dome]

Yes, I thought it would fit the DS style

[floral hemlock]

it can fit if made well

that's why i ask for a reference

[floral hemlock]

Alr interesting

[crimson dome]

Perhaps you should add some ground around the end of the lavafall so that it doesn't look like the lava is falling directly in the water, since I feel that looks odd

[floral hemlock]

It will look exactly like here and at the water part there will appear smoke

so it will look alr

[trail vapor]

i feel like the ground should have a more island-like shape. part of it means rounder cornerd but idk if there's only that

also i still kinda feel like the volcano is a bit too small. even if the top can't really be seen during gameplay, it would still feel like a large volcano

[floral hemlock]

@remote star please try making transition texture

[remote star]

for the grass

i havd idea

make a separate mesh for the grass in the shape

and texture it

[remote star]

sure

[trail vapor]

what i had in mind was reusing part of the "grass patch" texture from some of the original nsmb worldmaps

[remote star]

nsmbds w6 have it

[remote star]

same

[floral hemlock]

oh yeah

alr then jpg dont do it till i check if it will be good

[remote star]

add grass patch for 2-A too btw, loving this map ngl

[floral hemlock]

yeah sure

[remote star]

sure

[floral hemlock]

jpg please start pinging me less, just because i don't have a problem with it, doesn't mean that you shouldn't do it at all when typing small message

[remote star]

idk why the shift didnt worked

sorry abt that

[floral hemlock]

😭

yeah np

i can make only this kind of thing while looking good

i'll wait till jpg answers in dm's till continueing with this

[remote star]

Gorgeous lava

[floral hemlock]

you are too

[remote star]

You too >:3

[floral hemlock]

@trail vapor so how you want me to do this place?

[remote star]

Add a bunch of black rocks to make obsidian like thing

Or rock thing

[floral hemlock]

im tired of this shit

see ya in the next month

[remote star]

NOOOOO dies

Looks good tho ngl

[floral hemlock]

that's the problem

thanks jpg

[remote star]

Why its the problem 😭

[floral hemlock]

idk im tired

good night jpg

[remote star]

Gn! ^^

[remote star]

But jokes aside, Take your time with it

Noticed w2 also need 4 levels to be finished

[remote star]

Desert bg base ill use

[remote star]

Bottom

Idk..

Both the clouds and this is from mfgg

[remote star]

But ill make my own of this

[remote star]

i HATE how this looks...

I ACIDENRALLY TURNED THE WHOLE THING INTO A NORMAL MAP FUCK

LMAO

[trail vapor]

i'd say adding bridges (and optionally leaving one of the gaps for mario to jump over)
also please make the edges and corners of the ground rounder, and if possible a lot rounder to give a more natural shape (rather than smoothened corners)

[trail vapor]

i'm not fully sure about the idea of using an smw bg. tho i see that you're nsmbds-ifying it. still not fully sure but maybe it could work

[floral hemlock]

yes I will round everything, can we stop mentioning it?

[floral hemlock]

man, 2k tris

[floral hemlock]

remaking jpg's tileset because it annoys me

[frail estuary]

Flat walls are yours, right?

Looks good

I do kinda like how the old grass has a slightly more blueish tint tho

[floral hemlock]

it's because it's a rainy type of level

i guess atleast

i'll do it later

[frail estuary]

Are you gonna make unique tiles for both directions of walls and corners?

[floral hemlock]

this?

nah

it's ugly on this kind of tile

i'll do only one pixel off like i always do

[frail estuary]

What I meant was adding separate tiles for left and right walls/corners as opposed to just 1 that level designers can mirror

[frail estuary]

Good to see unique tiles

[floral hemlock]

i think you got answer above

[frail estuary]

I got my answer but I didn't really understand what you said

[trail vapor]

i'm honestly not that much of a fan of this. you're kinda removing some of JPG64's unique ideas, like the unique grass pattern, the blue-ish-ness, and the roughness on the edges (even keeping it slightly would have been good imo)

it does look better in quality but at the same time you're removing some of the ideas and charm imo

[floral hemlock]

i was going onto more MKDS grass pattern but accidentaly started making NSMB W1 grass lmao

atleast i made it near perfect 😎

i leave decision on @remote star , if he wants a different grass design, i'll do it

[fickle sphinx]

sorta miss how the grey squares were sunken in while only the white squares popped out

[edgy heron]

i think tinting the grass to be more blue like the og tileset and doing this would be good yeah

[floral hemlock]

I did the squares exactly how the nintendo did with MKDS graphics so yeah

[edgy heron]

wait is it me or did the shading on the bottom right corner look a tad off

like what with those brighter pixels in the middle of the darkness?

[fickle sphinx]

from the rim of the grey square

[floral hemlock]

Do you want to try?

you are better at hueing than me

[edgy heron]

i can’t rn so lol

[floral hemlock]

lol, alr

[edgy heron]

o

[floral hemlock]

New tree texture

old

i'll play around with the shading still since it's mostly the same as original w5 one

but yeah

[severe heart]

It's more shiny now which probably looks better on a low-res DS screen.

[floral hemlock]

definitly

alr, final look

imma render it now for the tileset lol

nah

[trail vapor]

isn't there one in the tileset already?

[floral hemlock]

yes

ugly one

by me

[edgy heron]

make the leaves have more falloff maybe

[trail vapor]

i think it looked fine already

[floral hemlock]

yes!!! exactly

[floral hemlock]

maybe i hate it because jpg didn't make the hueing well

[trail vapor]

it doesn't look like that in the videos and screenshots

the hue looks better in the screenshots that have been shown in the past

[floral hemlock]

different tileset?

[trail vapor]

here for example
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1193719548009009192/1391230888762671154/Screenshot_20250705_223007_HEYDraStic_PRO.jpg?ex=6882367b&is=6880e4fb&hm=7490ef75e5be6f6a1d4a19f597b4ee713d62a213aec0e42f99b286afe2df9b65&

[floral hemlock]

there was another tileset with tree but improved by myself

yeah those

still ugly tho lmao

@edgy heron which one do you preffer?

[crimson dome]

They're not ugly, go to bed Jouner

[edgy heron]

i would only say the colors could be more vibrant like your Sakura tree but it doesn’t look bad at all

[edgy heron]

2

[floral hemlock]

my work, i can do better

[edgy heron]

you aren’t seeing the tree from below 😭

though 1 looks pretty stylish

[floral hemlock]

yeah it's hard to do a perfect one

since it's a low poly model still

[remote star]

OOOOO

[floral hemlock]

JPG HIIIIIIII

I MISSED YOU

YOU WEREN'T ONLINE ALL DAY FOR ME

[remote star]

OHHHHHHH

I LOVE THIS

[remote star]

I missed u too <3

[remote star]

The map have culling in nsmb so dw

[floral hemlock]

alr i know what i need to do to make the tree look good

[floral hemlock]

omg what does that mean

[remote star]

It dont render polygons that arent on screen

[floral hemlock]

YES

NOW I CAN PUT 5 MILLION POLY BOWSERS ASS

INSIDE THE MAP

AND IT WILL WORK

what do you think of the tileset remake @remote star ?

should i change somethign

[remote star]

Its looking good ngl

[floral hemlock]

what about the grass?

people above didn't like that i did my own thing so much

what do you think

[remote star]

I liked this grass a lot tbh

Looks really cute

[floral hemlock]

yeah, it's very similliar to W1

but still different a bit

[remote star]

Yea

[floral hemlock]

here comparison if anyone wants lol

Do munchers have animation btw?

[remote star]

Yea

4 frames

[floral hemlock]

4 FRAMES>??!?

send me in dm's

anyway

made one

[floral hemlock]

if it looped correctly it would look better lol

i hate yall

[cyan stirrup]

It's good, but looks too...

Squishy

[floral hemlock]

your mom

then here 3 frames exactly like from smb3

mine looks bad because i reverse the frames at later point

here with 4 frames

yes i know 3 frames

thanks

for yall opinion

[remote star]

Someone know how i can make those rocks nsmb styled? (Brown ones)

[warm condor]

use more colors

[remote star]

I need to do more the shading tho

I love how nsmbu used almost every smw bg and recreated it

[floral hemlock]

have you ever seen game called

NSMB2

?

[remote star]

Wait fr

[remote star]

Ill try

Looks ass

[trail vapor]

it's probably because the edges of each surface always have the same color, while they should probably have more shading

not exactly sure if it's why tho

[remote star]

I tried separing it in layers and ill see if it helps

[trail vapor]

now maybe apply some SLIGHT bevel on each layer

[trail vapor]

also i'm not a big fan of the orange part of the bottom bg: it looks a bit too dark. and i think the hue should shift when the color goes darker/lighter

[floral hemlock]

jpg, remake this

i mean the clouds

[floral hemlock]

that looks actually nice!!

[remote star]

I didn't made them

[floral hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/trevor-philips-go-fuck-yourself-go-fuck-yourself-gif-6067848191786981287

[floral hemlock]

remake this

[remote star]

Im bad making every type of clouds in bg

[floral hemlock]

that's why copying original nsmb backgrounds exists!

for me it's easier because i know how to manipulate thing so they could look right after compression

[remote star]

Im replicating this

So i used smw cloud

[crimson dome]

You could take a look at the chicken clouds background so you can have a reference

[trail vapor]

the chicken clouds 🐔😭

[trail vapor]

the orange is too dark and the gradient/color shifting is a bit too strong imo

[fickle sphinx]

whats wrong with the clouds

[floral hemlock]

They do not completally fit the NSMB artstyle at all, if JPG wants this effect then it's alright but there is also another problem which is the shading of those clouds, the colours of it are i would say "dead' due to how grey those are

also made a cloud real quick to remember if i still being able to

16 colours

or 15 not sure

[edgy heron]

are you talking about the big chunk or the smw clouds

[floral hemlock]

smw clouds

[edgy heron]

big chunk looks fine to me minus the colors which you mentioned lol

but yeah the smw clouds could be done different

-# like my snow bg

[floral hemlock]

this is already better

[edgy heron]

could be executed better but yeah

[floral hemlock]

JPG, i actually like how you made that mountain thing,. meybe just smooth out the edges by one more colour and it's perfect

also for the bg you could maybe use the gradient ones i have made long time ago?

[floral hemlock]

don't expect from me to much if i spend on that 20 seconds

lmao

if someone wants to steal the cloud then here

[remote star]

I didn't wanted to use the chicken clouds from nsmb

[floral hemlock]

actually nice

could've been better tho

but very good either way

[remote star]

Without the bg

[floral hemlock]

jpg do you want to know how to make clouds?

[remote star]

Sure

[remote star]

U think this fits nsmb style tho?

[trail vapor]

pretty much

[remote star]

[trail vapor]

tho please try that i wanna see how it looks like

[remote star]

Sure

Again whats bevel

Sorry if im being dumb

[trail vapor]

idk how to explain

[remote star]

-# why i said "again" i never asked beforr 😭

[trail vapor]

but like, 3d shading kind of thing

[remote star]

I see

Ill watch a tutorial

[floral hemlock]

welcome to jouner shitty tutorial on certain thing, today i'm gonna to show you all how to make a basic clouds that fits the style of NSMB DS

1. Start with the shape (It can be whatever you want(I recommend using circle shapes to make it look more 𝓝𝓢𝓜𝓑 𝓼𝓽𝔂𝓵𝓲𝓼𝓱)

[trail vapor]

tbh it doesn't feel much like the nsmb style, but nintendo did the same thing for nsmb2 soo...

[floral hemlock]

2. select the cloud shape and change it to the darker col and make another layer, now select gradient tool and select the gradient that makes the circle like shape. Now at the round parts add some lighter colours (for me putting 3-5 times gradient at that places is enough)
3. continue this shit in other parts

[remote star]

Ohhhh

[trail vapor]

wait how do you select the shape?

[remote star]

I selected the wrong tool

[floral hemlock]

4. after you done whole cloud, it looks still bad right? that's why we saved the white part (or any lighter colour you added) onto another layer. Take the eraser tool, set the hardness to very small % and start making sharp edges (not sure how to call them) and generally fix the shading to resemble more cloudy like

[floral hemlock]

magic wand

[floral hemlock]

gradient tool jpg...

[remote star]

It dont exist in ibis 😭

Theres airbrush tho

LMAO

[trail vapor]

oh yeah true

[floral hemlock]

5. Take your whole cloud (merge the layers before too.) and take them to any program that let's you compress the colours (Color quantizer, nitropaint etc.)
   and set the colours to AROUND 16 or more

[trail vapor]

what are you trying to do 😭

[floral hemlock]

Now congratulations, you got a NSMB styled cloud, with more practice and spend time on you will make a very good looking one that fits perfectly to the style

please look at the original backgrounds or other stuff to be more sure of how they should exactly look like.

thanks

[remote star]

Idk if found a "Blackhole" bush

[floral hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-gt-dragon-ball-dragon-ball-gt-gif-1664759587970346857

here if someone wants to play around with it

[remote star]

@floral hemlock opnions?

Your technique is peak ngl

Top bg is suposed to be like that

Top + bottom

Details

@floral hemlock u think i could improve this?

[floral hemlock]

yes, the bottom one

especially the sky gradient

and clouds hue

[remote star]

Could u try doing improvemrnts to me? 🥺 im kinda dumb

[floral hemlock]

can't rn. sorru

just make the clouds more orange

[remote star]

Gotcha, ill do it

And the cliffs, u think they fit?

[floral hemlock]

i like them

[remote star]

[floral hemlock]

jpg, orange

[floral hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/omori-furious-gif-23953052

ORANGE

[remote star]

Sillhouette level

[floral hemlock]

jpg please look at the sillouthe levels backgrounds more

please

[edgy heron]

make the cloud a lighter yellow and shade it to orange

[remote star]

It looks compressed as hell so sadly ill not use it

[remote star]

Iove this bro

[remote star]

Lmao

[floral hemlock]

no jpg

[remote star]

Normal map and other stuff on images look funny

Normal map only

Other light type

[remote star]

Im just messing arround dw

Light without normal map

Btw im using those effect layers

[remote star]

@floral hemlock could u add that tileset to this island here? The one ur remaking

[floral hemlock]

WHAT

which one

my original one or MKDS pattern one

[remote star]

Mkds pattern one yea

Its for the level wich use that tileset

That level (wich is 2-A now)

[remote star]

This level is really fun

[floral hemlock]

SEND ME THE ROM

IN DMS

🗣️

[remote star]

OPS

Sure

[floral hemlock]

yeah I know, this part will be remade

[remote star]

Lemme upload

[floral hemlock]

that screenshot still has old lava texture I used lol

I'm using now mkds one which fits way more

[remote star]

Ohhh

Nice!

[remote star]

@floral hemlock ill send in dm's

Done

[floral hemlock]

If anyone was curiours how W1 looks exactly with normal looking screen then here

[remote star]

RECORD 4-B

[floral hemlock]

4 B?

[remote star]

🥺

[floral hemlock]

😭

[remote star]

Yea level 4-B

[floral hemlock]

why record??

is this that new level you made?

[remote star]

Yea

Sillhouete level with weird bg

[floral hemlock]

ah alr

JPG

[remote star]

I got a name idea for this level....

[floral hemlock]

IM GONNA LITERALLY START IMPROVING YOUR LEVELS

SOON

[remote star]

YOOO PEAK

FINALLY SSMB WILL BE GOOD

-# its already pretty fun but still

[floral hemlock]

lmao im not zstar

but i would be happy to imrpove things that are just straight up bad design

which so far it's most of the levels i have played lmao

[remote star]

Decoration in the void 🔥

[floral hemlock]

Alright i finally finished this level

i'll give an opinion in a second

[floral hemlock]

Here is the vid everyone

Alright so i generally really like this theme and level, you very much improved the graphics here which i'm very happy actually.
But there are 2 problems, one big one

that fucking first star coin

too much power ups

[remote star]

Before releasing the game i should remake the level intros

[floral hemlock]

yes do it

without the enemies in it would've been great too

or atleast good renders

could you send me this tileset in dm's btw?

i want to see if i can improve it slightly

[remote star]

Yea

Hd renders

[floral hemlock]

you know jpg? i'll actualy improve this level now lol

[remote star]

Sure

All the star coins u should use mecha koopas to collect btw

When u improve it send in the dm's

Oh btw

On the end of the level u will see that outside of the view theres a wall of tiles

DONT remove it otherwise the game softlocks

@floral hemlock

[floral hemlock]

i wanted to make a funreference with cactus but i realized it would look like swastika

😭

[remote star]

NO

😭

[floral hemlock]

i wanted to do him

[remote star]

Yea dont do it 😭

[warm condor]

the level:
the music:

[remote star]

The music is good tho

Kourtiss did a excelent work on it

2 songs and ssmb ost will be 100% original

[floral hemlock]

the music is great lol

such a banger

[remote star]

IKR

Ssmb ost imo is a banger

THE CHECKPOINT IS IN A PERFECT PLACE

I moved the shy guy to another platform

[floral hemlock]

next time i will record something i will not record second screen, there isn't happening there anything

nice

[remote star]

Yea true

[floral hemlock]

pls bring back map progression

and force will to code bottom screen powerups

[remote star]

Nah i want to have a harder game

[floral hemlock]

JPG, YOUR HARD GAME IS JUST BAD DESIGN

DONT ANNOY ME

LMAO

[remote star]

No bottom item 😭

And map progression kinda exists still

Just smaller

[floral hemlock]

JPG

[remote star]

(By harder i mean that if the player lost the powerup they cant just use a reserve one)

[floral hemlock]

REDESIGN THE BOTTOM SCREEN

NOW

[remote star]

Ill do later i promisse

[floral hemlock]

Our relationship literally sounds like this jpg

[trail vapor]

i agree with the "too much powerups" part

especially in world 4, that's too much. it would probably have bren alright in world 1 (usually early w1)

[remote star]

LMAO THAT AUDIO IS FUNNY AS HELL

[trail vapor]

some sections also lack of coins enemies and blocks

[floral hemlock]

@remote star because of you i got 200+ hours in blender

[trail vapor]

i'm also not a fan of how the brick blocks and coins look like in silhouette levels

[remote star]

1 year in blender

I love blender

[trail vapor]

i already explained why for the silhouette for the brick blocks. for the coins, they just don't feel "silhouette-y"

[remote star]

The bricks was suposed to glow (kinda like a light block) since its a area with mechanisms, mecha koopas wich glow too and stuff

[remote star]

Same as the ? blocks

[remote star]

EERIE!!!!!

[floral hemlock]

if yall were curious, this is how the W2 looks like so far

[trail vapor]

the first and 3rd star coins are literally the same

[floral hemlock]

FIVE NIGHT'S AT ANIME JUMPSCARE

JPG PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM ME

[remote star]

WTF IS FIVE NIGHTS AT ANIME

[floral hemlock]

kinda the same but yeah

[floral hemlock]

search it up

[trail vapor]

i know jpg said to keep the sand at the same height, but i still think it's a bad idea

[floral hemlock]

and get traumatized

[warm condor]

have you seen pvz's fandom?

[remote star]

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT JOUNER 😭

[floral hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/theres-more-gif-23888098

[trail vapor]

oh well, nvm

[trail vapor]

maybe it would be better if it was like world 3 of the vanilla game, with slopes all around (idk how to explain)

[remote star]

Thanks for that, that was not fun 😭

Ill never play fnaf again

I got ptsd

[trail vapor]

also having one of the ends of the bridges randomly float slightly above the ground feels weird

[trail vapor]

i also feel like it could be nice to add a few more grass patches too

also, why is there some red stuff on the palm trees?? are they radioactive because of the lava or something??

[remote star]

Iirc its tropical palm trees

[trail vapor]

ohh

well ok then

[remote star]

Ill rename this world to tropical paradise

[trail vapor]

it's not really a paradise with volcanoes

also do you actually have a beach level for the world or not?

having a beach level spot on the map is cool, but it wouldn't really make sense if it wasn't the case

wait you said it was world 2? is it 2-3?

[remote star]

Yep

[remote star]

2-4, after 2-3

[floral hemlock]

check my island tileset vid

[trail vapor]

oh ok

[trail vapor]

couldn't find it

nvm i found it

[remote star]

Ill give up on this soon™

Rexy staring the train

[floral hemlock]

if you send that image again i ping zstar and ask him to ban you

jk

[floral hemlock]

wHY

ITS COOL

this is the best one jpg 😔

[remote star]

It conpress when trying to import

Rexy Express

[floral hemlock]

JPG I WILL

I WILL

https://tenor.com/view/mario-super-mario-64-sm64-super-mario-goku-gif-2924386200580697487

[floral hemlock]

@remote star what's the name of this tileset?

@remote star I have a problem

which i consider as a bad design

And it's with the textures on the map

there is literally 4 ground textures

and i think it shouldn't be like that and the limit of textures with different tileset should be limited to max 3

Now i need your opinion on that

Should i remove the island texture and replace it with the MKDS one? (It mean's that island tileset will have the MKDS ground rather my original one)
or i should keep it?

[shy wraith]

why is there 2 different grass textures?

[floral hemlock]

[trail vapor]

i'd suggest mixing this effect and the one that made it look like nsmb2, if possible

[trail vapor]

uhh... a bit too much grass? idk

[floral hemlock]

wanted to show yall how the enemies i have made models/sprites look like since jpg only showed them with bad quality or something else (galoomba not mine obv)

i'm very proud of goonie actually!

he looks great

i wish tho that JPG improves his wing animation to be more accurate

[elder crystal]

So rare to see a high quality recording of this hack lol

[floral hemlock]

that's why i post it here since it annoyed me all the time and i want to show few of my stuff i made for this hack in high quality too

[elder crystal]

You and jpg have been doing great work, keep it up 💪

[remote star]

nah ngl, it gives diversity

[remote star]

thx!! ^w^

[remote star]

WAIT TRUE

[remote star]

lets see, if the vram ecxplodes (if u make pallete16 ot tex4x4 32 colors i doubt it)

[floral hemlock]

Decided to scrap whole map that i have made and return to the origins! Welcome back old W2!!!

[floral hemlock]

vram won't explode 😭

dw about it

[remote star]

the small nodes

[floral hemlock]

man, i think someone broke into my account recently

[remote star]

hey ztar

[crimson dome]

The compression..... 😭

[remote star]

the mountains was great

[floral hemlock]

man i wish w2 had a castle level

so much smw stuff but no castles 💔

[remote star]

this is a isolated island so makes sense no castle but a train

[floral hemlock]

how did you name those silver coins jpg?

[remote star]

but on w4, u can add a broken fortress in the last node since it will be a castle-like thing

[floral hemlock]

shuriken coins or just silver coins

[remote star]

silver coins

[floral hemlock]

alr, thanks

im changing the sprites just and i hate how you named them lmao

1
2
332
3

lmaooo

[remote star]

dont make normal silver coins btw

since they already exist in ssmb

[floral hemlock]

i'm just adding those i have made

[remote star]

gotcha

[floral hemlock]

i mean these

man i wish they look better after nitro painting them

i gotta make them even better one day

[trail vapor]

what island texture?

[trail vapor]

my beloved. i'm actually glad some of the ideas were reused later

[floral hemlock]

here is the new coin!

because JPG is very lazy and didn't do it before!

love u

[warm condor]

are galoombas meant to be squished?

[remote star]

i wanted them to be thrown up but needs code so its fine like that

[crimson dome]

I think they're squished in the NSMBU style of SMM2 so it kinda makes sense

[remote star]

yea true

[warm condor]

there are galoombas on NSMBU?

[remote star]

nsmbu and smm2

[warm condor]

i'm pretty sure that there are no galoombas on SMM2 outside SMW style

only goombas and goombrats

[floral hemlock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1196577868331880448/1398057470580097044/DeSmuME_0.9.13_x64_p0yuC79RCE.gif

Actual looking munchers!

[tardy vessel]

Oh wow

[crimson dome]

In SMM2 yes, but I don't think they're in the original NSMBU

[warm condor]

i have to play both to confirm that

[tardy vessel]

they're not

[warm condor]

the only game that i know that galoombas can be squished is SM3DW

[remote star]

yea oddysey too

and smm2

[floral hemlock]

Recorded 2-2 (or 2-A soon)

2 words

Hate it

.....

@remote star what do you think you are doing wrong in your levels?

[remote star]

Imo its nice level

[floral hemlock]

im curious if you realize the problems of the designs

[remote star]

2-A is made by mosquito

[floral hemlock]

oh

[floral hemlock]

It's a nice theme and kinda interesting gimmick

but the gameplay 🥀

[remote star]

5-1
4-3 and 4-A too

Imo out of all of them 4-A is the only one i really dislike

[floral hemlock]

I actually missed one are but i'm not sure yet how to get in there lol

fuck

i needed to compress that from 200mb to 45 💔

i got war flashbacks from illy's vid on the fish part lmao

[tardy vessel]

ong

acorn mario

[remote star]

Btw now this level is 2-A, moved it to give 2-2 a better level

[remote star]

I love acorn

[remote star]

But hey, what u think i could improve in my levels? Since myself i feel they arent that great but i cant figure out what is wrong

[floral hemlock]

I'll say after i'll play more of your levels alright?

you can only get my opinion from 4-B

which was actually a cool level

wish very small issues

anyway im remaking 2-A

it will be the same but better lol

[remote star]

Oki

[remote star]

YEAAA

[floral hemlock]

what is this?

it appears on munchers

it was supposed to be solid?

[remote star]

Ignore this tile, it was the old hurt tile

Now its in jyotyu

Muncher was going to be only in this level

But then i decided that i would use it mote

More

[floral hemlock]

ah alright

[crimson dome]

JPG I thought you had fixed all the issues in this level 🥀

This was one of the levels from the demo that I seriously felt it needed many improvements

[remote star]

I never touched it ever since 💔

But yea it need improvements

[crimson dome]

I seriously suggest you to start testing your own levels more and without any savestates, and if a level is very annoying to play then it means that you must improve it

[remote star]

I usually dont use savestates anymore, but i didn't died much in my levels so i never noticed a error n such

[warm condor]

i thought that everybody tested their own levels more often without savesates

[remote star]

I used savestates before in my videos, but nowdays i dont really uses savestates anymore

[crimson dome]

I'm just gonna give you a few tips:

• Don't add enemies in places that make them really hard or impossible to dodge (specially in very tight platforms)
• Don't add places that are very annoying to access or very tedious to traverse (examples of this are very tight spaces or 1 block wide platforms)
• Don't add any star coins or secrets in places that are practically impossible to predict (a star coin where you have to fall in an abyss without any indication is not very intuitive at all)

[remote star]

I see

[trail vapor]

the animation doesn't loop properly imo

[remote star]

I replaced the last frame with the 2nd and now it looks good n faster

[trail vapor]

yeah it needs a bunch of improvements

[remote star]

-> It closes, open halfway, open full, close halfway ->

[trail vapor]

a few that come to my mind:

• remove pine trees that are above the abyss/pit/void. they're counter-intuitive and don't make much sense
• warps from falling downwards. they're not great imo: hard to predict, hard to fall properly/to reach, etc
• lower the pipe cannon in the underground section. i remember struggling to get on top of it last time, especially with the munchers around

also sometimes the platforming feels very tight, which is also an issue i have with the level

[warm condor]

the warps from falling downwards would be fine if there were at least some coins

[trail vapor]

coins + more ground + maybe some deco

[crimson dome]

This

There were also a few tiling errors that I believe you should fix

For example:

This tree gets cropped because of the mucher below, you should remove that muncher

[remote star]

LMAO

Remove the muncher yea

[crimson dome]

This pipe joint is not aligned with the pipe above which looks very odd, I also feel this should be a connected pipe instead of a regular pipe entrance

Also, NEVER make 1 tile tall/wide enterable pipes, that looks ugly, you should always try to make them at least 2, 3 or more tiles wide/tall

[trail vapor]

no it's eating the tree. 100% normal

[remote star]

LMAOOOOO

[trail vapor]

imo 2 with the pipe connector

also please make it into a connected pipe. i know you can do that jpg (if you don't know how, look at that one nsmbhd page or the wiki)

[warm condor]

i learnt how to use connections by watching some pipes in 7-A

[crimson dome]

That's what I said

[floral hemlock]

@remote star is this actor different than in the original?

[trail vapor]

didn't see, mb

[floral hemlock]

something like this

camera vertical

[remote star]

Nope its the original

[edgy heron]

where even was the 3rd yoshi coin in this level? i could never find it 😭

[remote star]

It was in a hidden pipe, now i removed this pipe and moved the coin to a area

[remote star]

@floral hemlock ill send this version of the level if you didn't started making it already

Actually nvm, i can add it rq

[floral hemlock]

made this

[edgy heron]

THATS NOT IT

THIS IS IT

jpeg why 😭😭

you shoulda atleast added a few coins

glad you changed it tho

[floral hemlock]

i found it in a first try lmao

you can see in the vid

[edgy heron]

this video doesnt show that tho?

im talking about the pipe lol, the one out of the view

[floral hemlock]

ah pipe 😭

sow eird

[trail vapor]

why did you completely change the beginning...

[edgy heron]

to be fair i think this level could make use of a gimmick of sorts, it feels pretty non-gimmicky

[floral hemlock]

not enough munchers?

here is more of the gimmick

[edgy heron]

i mean something combined with the munchers!

like putting snailicorns or rex's on the munchers would def make it better

[floral hemlock]

if custom actors displayed normalyl there wouldve been

[edgy heron]

since the munchers alone are pretty stalemate(?)

[floral hemlock]

thats why i leave it to jpg and just say him in dm's what enemies and put some elements to indicate that where he should put them

but yeah, rozner will be cool here

[remote star]

Dont add tile munchers