Sakura SMB DS

[trail vapor]

in 3-A, it makes sense because its the train to the mines

[edgy heron]

how do u make these world maps look so good holy

[remote star]

Yeah

[trail vapor]

only complaint is that the "inner ground" tile in the tileset is repetitive

[edgy heron]

ya good point

perhaps add in tiny rocks with different shapes?

[trail vapor]

same goes for the ground under the rails in 3-A

[remote star]

Yeah thats a good deal

[remote star]

It would be cool if i could make it a big texture, i would add details like minerals, bridges and such

[trail vapor]

isnt the rails a retextured junglekusa tho?

[remote star]

Thats the rail textur

[trail vapor]

its not a retextured junglekusa?

[remote star]

Yeah, but its a diferent junglekusa model

[trail vapor]

oh okay

[remote star]

Guys, should the purple coin counter be on the top screen or bottom screen as it is?

For now it dont have anything (since the one with the score had some problems) so i asked nld to make a actual counter for this

I will probably sent him a nsmbds resolution image so it can be easy to center it

[edgy heron]

tbh idk, i have the same doubts cause they look just as nice in both screens

but like

since wonder is a single fullscreen it doesnt have other space to put it in, so since the touch screen is the ''utilities'' (if you know what i mean) then preferably the touch screen

[fair geode]

The bottom screen

That’s where all the counters should be right?

[remote star]

Yeah thats true

[fair geode]

Unless you put the counter by the coins at the top

[edgy heron]

ya it being next to the coin counter makes so much sense but being in the touch screen also makes a lot of sense

[fair geode]

Hm

Since purple coins has the same counter (I think) than it should be at the top with the other coin counter

[remote star]

They are diferent from normal coins tho

[trail vapor]

considering that they're a currency usable outside of levels, it would make sense that it would be on the bottom screen

also because it should logically be there in the world map as well

[remote star]

Yeah it will be

[fair geode]

Oh ok I think it does fit at the bottom

[fair geode]

Have you made a decision yet?

[remote star]

Yep

[crystal grail]

Smthing like this maybe?

Similar to odyssey

[edgy heron]

it doesnt hurt to have it there but i feel like too much stuff on the left side compared to the right
unless they were to put timer back to where it originally was

just my opinion tho

[remote star]

I modeled that newer wii shop house

Since the shop will be in w1, it will be the blue house

Idk how it will going to work, it will be a item shop but idk how it will work

[trail vapor]

oh nice

i think you'll need code hacks for that

maybe something that you can place in the level to change your powerup state to another one, or increase your life counter, in exchange of coins, by tapping a block

[sweet owl]

How will the shop work, you said you wanted it like newer wii but that wont work in nsmbds

[edgy heron]

i think it could feature like

[sweet owl]

if i have some idea i could give programing it a go at some point

[edgy heron]

1ups, the stored item, maybe some backgrounds, but that’s all I can think assuming the hack doesn’t add anything else

cause nsmb doesn’t have a world map items system like new wii so

[remote star]

What i wanted to do is something like: the toad house will have some blocks, like the bg ones, each item have a purple coin price:
1: mini shroom
10: mushrooom
30: flower
45: shuriken
50: boomerang
150: star

[trail vapor]

the star might be complicated

[remote star]

When you buy one, they will go to a world map slot, similar to nsmbu

[trail vapor]

because its not stored on the world map

[trail vapor]

so you want this too? 😭

[remote star]

Yeah, when the player press Y, he goes to the menu

[trail vapor]

that seems... complicated as hell to do

i dont even know if making a custom scene for this menu is easier

[edgy heron]

it probably would be

the only thing I see being ‘simple’ is making the menu and popup but the purchasing and applying the powerup im not sure

[trail vapor]

making the menu and making it functional is probably the hardest part actually

[edgy heron]

oh

[plush jasper]

just add the powerup in the powerup slot

[remote star]

Theres no powerup slot in my mod

[edgy heron]

i mean ig u could jus make it so whatever item you have stored it applies to your player in the world map

[plush jasper]

oh

[remote star]

Thats how the shop toad house is

It will be on w1

Over the blue house

But it need to be visible on the start of the game (thing William said that Will do)

It will be only on w1

So if the player want to buy items, he go to w1

[trail vapor]

dont forget the smooth shading please

[remote star]

On map it dont have shading

[trail vapor]

oh ok

[elder crystal]

???

[remote star]

I disabled the map shading for make it like the og nsmbds maps

The toad houses are suposed to have shadings like towers? I thought they didn't 😭

[trail vapor]

i think they do

so they look more round

[remote star]

@elder crystal man i managed to get the toad house to apear with goombatlas!! :DDDDDD

[trail vapor]

ping...

[remote star]

I did ping because he was going to write a code for it so i said it so it can save time

Wait nah it didn't worked

[elder crystal]

Yeah I've done that before but isn't the house model invisible when you do that?

[remote star]

Yeah

[elder crystal]

Ah that's too bad

[remote star]

I did it so the game unlock the path (but didn't worked)

[remote star]

I think that this house need to be always visible alongside with the house, so the player only unlocks the node

[trail vapor]

the house is hardcoded to only appear when the game is beaten at least once i think

the path and the node/map point however, seem to be hardcoded to only appear in the same conditions, ONLY if the map point is set to the blue house kind of "map point" (the regular toad houses use another kind of "map point" for each kind of toad house, but they all share the same graphic in-game)

if you ask me how i know that, well, i tried editing the map in my old hack "nsmb ds deluxe (goofy hack)"

[remote star]

334
514
648

[shy wraith]

what are those numbers for?

[waxen ore]

@waxen ore MediaFire

[edgy heron]

i think for some sprites or something to-do with files/coding the game

they probabyl saved that just incase

[shy wraith]

[remote star]

Bro what

[fair geode]

💀

[remote star]

Yep, in this case its for a bg

[edgy heron]

woah that actually looks sick

[remote star]

Sent the wrongbond before

[remote star]

Bro pinged himself and said mediafire lol

[edgy heron]

the real question is

why even

[remote star]

Yeah lol

@remote star mediafire

[crystal grail]

@crystal grail mediafire

[crystal grail]

[remote star]

[shy wraith]

why does the fire have media?

[remote star]

But why media have fire?

[edgy heron]

🔥

[remote star]

NOOOO NINTENDO MADE PINK YOSHI FROM MY MOD ON NMSBU THEY STOLE IT 😭

[trail vapor]

ohh nice!

[remote star]

Ok, i will list everything i need in code, so yall will know what i need and i will stop asking unessesaary stuff:
Done: ~~ purple coin ~~
1: boomerang
Done ~~ purple coin counter~~ (each 10 purple coins get converter to 1 live if you touch the yellow ball on the flagpole)
2: final boss custom
3: animated tilesets for tank and train weels
4: acorn suit
5: Muncher
6: dolphin
7: the going to next world thing nld is doing
(remaining 3!!!)
-# no one really remember this idk why im editing this

Some mod/adm can pin this?

[remote star]

Thx! 🙂

[crystal grail]

https://nsmbhd.net/thread/583-how-to-edit-the-title-screen-logo-tutorial/

[trail vapor]

no its the title screen as a whole. the logo has already been changed

[crystal grail]

Oh

You mean the background?

[trail vapor]

no i think like something similar to newer

[crimson dome]

I recall JPG saying he wanted a title screen in Super Mario 3D Land style

[trail vapor]

yea

[remote star]

Yeah

Ops sorry for the ping

[crystal grail]

I was looking for the super mario 3d land title screen and found this masterpiece

[trail vapor]

Super Mario 3D MLG Land
The MLG Land, now in 3D!

[shy wraith]

how much is Super Mario 3d Land MLG edition?

[crystal grail]

USD 69,420

[remote star]

💀

[shy wraith]

too expensive, piracy time.

[crystal grail]

Here is the link:
🔗 http://totally.not.a.virus.will.not.install.trojan.in.your.computer.nor.ds.please.trust.me.exe

[crystal grail]

To install

[shy wraith]

thanks

great now I have 4 1/2 viruses

[crystal grail]

But did not install trojan, the link was half true

[edgy heron]

ninjutsu

[remote star]

Im finishing some other levels, i will remove for now the part of the pink coin counter since i need continue making the mod

Also i will try thinking my levels in a way that if the acorn suit actually became true it be usable

And i should try adding some star coins that would use it or its not good to make at this momment?

[remote star]

Also edited this one last time

NO MORE CRASHES YEY

Im thinking in getting a team for helping me with levels and those 9 code stuff (beside yoshi, boomerang and the coin counter) because i need help to finish some levels (and yes, i will also work on major part of levels, it will just to help since it will delay 100 years if only me work on it, at least one more people to help with levels)

[trail vapor]

spinjitsu

[remote star]

Is this good? Or no?

I totally not copied this, never

[fickle sphinx]

• for a recruitment thing you might wanna be a but more professional (proper capitalization, no abbreviations like "smth", proper spelling)
• are the testers meant to be playtesting or bug testing
• note at bottom could prolly be truncated— the whole "you will unfortunately mot [sic] going to [sic] be accepted[...]" part in the second sentance is already addressed by the "we dont want[...]" part from the first sentence
• what do the quality assurers do exactly

where were you planning on posting this anyways

cause pretty much everyone with experience in nsmb hacking is in this server

n prolly knows you

[remote star]

The testers will do the bug testing and playtesting, both, and the quality assurers will see if the level actually have cool quality and can go to the final version

I will post it in nsmb help or request

Idk wich one fits better

[fickle sphinx]

could prolly just go in #nsmb-chat and go "hey im looking for people to help with my hack"

think the conversational nature of discord sorta negates the need of a formal recruitment poster

[edgy heron]

agreed lol

most of the time it’s just ‘yes, no’, no need for a tldr that just answers either of those

[remote star]

William, any progress on boomerang?

[trail vapor]

it's becoming a team now? 😭

[sweet owl]

I dont get why you need to make that when people are already helping you with everything

[trail vapor]

NOOOO THE BOX ARE STRETCHED UP 😭

[remote star]

No its just with level, the programmer idk if i will want to keeep on the box since you, William, nld lavazza help me with stuff

Level desing i mean

[sweet owl]

you already posted it on evo lol

[remote star]

Yeah lol, i will esit the message with this image

[trail vapor]

lmaooo

[remote star]

LMAO

Illy, btw you want a developer or programmer role on ssmb server?

[sweet owl]

i do not care tbh

[remote star]

Gotcha

[sweet owl]

the only reason im there is incase any drama from here spills into their

[edgy heron]

I double L Y

[elder crystal]

Just ask me in the dms bro it's always a jumpscare to see this when I'm mindlessly checking unread channels

[remote star]

LMAO

[elder crystal]

Like: "hello William I know you're seeing this 👁️👁️"

[trail vapor]

lmfaooooo

[remote star]

LMFAOOOOO

[trail vapor]

this made me laugh more than it should have

[remote star]

IM DYING HERE LOOL

But sure 😉

[fickle sphinx]

if youre posting this in evo you prolly should nix the "experience with nsmbe" part

i mean i think nsmbe is intuitive enough to be figured out by anyone whos used reggie or any other nsmb level editor anyhow

[crimson dome]

Yeah, I've never used Reggie, but I suposse it shouldn't be much different from NSMBe

Same for CoinKiller or that unfinished Miyamoto editor

[edgy heron]

an editor for miyamoto ayo !??!?!?
-# im joking by the way

[remote star]

What yall think about this mew acorn?

[trail vapor]

yea i tried them and they were pretty similar. easy to use after learning the few small differences here and there

[edgy heron]

maybe lower it's ''top'' part a bit (like 1 or 2 pixels) and make the bottom slightly sharper.. other than that, looks yum

[remote star]

Yeah true

I love eating acorn

[fair geode]

Who are the 2 programmers

[remote star]

Its not actually programmers from the team but they help me a lot

Its william, illy and nld

[fair geode]

Oh ok

[remote star]

Im making the sprite animations for the acorn (idk if it can be rotated in code tho)

[edgy heron]

i think acorn would work better if it either was like the mushrooms or if it was a polygon for it's rotation

i feel like even 45 degrees rotated from the sprite itself would look kinda ugly

[edgy heron]

ifi ts possible lol

[remote star]

Lemme ask something to a programmer

It would need to be a polygon with a rotation

Since a nsbtx cant be rotated

So when the supah A corn item spawns it would need to be a rotation polygon

[plush jasper]

or a texture for each frame (an animation) which is better imo

[edgy heron]

-# .

[remote star]

Yeah true

Oh you said it

[remote star]

But how many frames?

[edgy heron]

actually could try 45º but not sure

[plush jasper]

you decide

maybe 6?

[remote star]

Yeah its good

[crimson dome]

Yeah, and maybe add more rotation frames for the acorn graphic, because if you only add those 4 the animation coud feel a bit abrupt imo

[crimson dome]

Oh well, not bad

[edgy heron]

ya i expected it to look worser aswell lol

[edgy heron]

could maybe be better tho

o

lemi try that

[remote star]

It would be better with 8

[remote star]

Oki

[edgy heron]

yea this looks good enough

awesome

why does it look like it blinks in the *45 frames tho lmao

[remote star]

Yeah looks hella good

Well, i have everything on for this item, now i only need to wait for a person to program it

[elder crystal]

Why why why do you keep animating rotation when it can easily be coded 😭

[edgy heron]

(didnt know if it was possible in the first place brah!)

[trail vapor]

it can?

[plush jasper]

Is it that easy rotating a nsbtx?

or do u plan to use nsbmd

[elder crystal]

it's that easy

you're manually rendering the quad so you can do what you want with it

[plush jasper]

I guess I gotta try to expand my horizon instead of sticking to the nsbtx code provided by TheGameratorT

[remote star]

Removed yoshi from The list

Since it will not be a thing anymore

[trail vapor]

why?

[remote star]

I asked William for instead of making yoshi he makes the super acorn

Or as i call it Supah A corn

[trail vapor]

so you're basically replacing yoshi with the super acorn?

[remote star]

It will also help with saving vram

(Trust me, vram is the thing i need more in this mod)

[trail vapor]

then:

1. why don't you bring back luigi?
2. it's not even confirmed that the super acorn will get added into your hack (afaik there hasn't been a confirmation or anything)

[remote star]

William said he can do it instead of doing yoshi tho

[trail vapor]

oh ok then

but then why don't you bring back luigi?

[remote star]

I could do that but luigi model was eating a lot of vram in my mod

[trail vapor]

???

how is that

[remote star]

Its textures

[trail vapor]

its not luigi eating the vram then, luigi is in the base game, so its other stuff that you added

[remote star]

When i removed the model the vram got totally better

[elder crystal]

how tf would the luigi model be "eating a lot of vram" when it's not even loaded?

[trail vapor]

does it get loaded at the same time as mario's? or not?

[remote star]

Idk, it's probably related to the code hack ocean i have in my mod

I think its always loaded

[edgy heron]

-# unrelated but atleast you’re self aware 👽…….

[remote star]

No more luigi

Made it completely deleted

[elder crystal]

I just checked and only one of the player's models and animations will be loaded in singleplayer

so there's no way luigi is "eating vram" unless you use him

[remote star]

Its probably related to some code hack then

[trail vapor]

oh interesting

[fickle sphinx]

could check if the texture is loaded via desmume or smthn couldnt you

[trail vapor]

maybe the sakura suit code hack? idk if there's any other code hack that affects the mario/luigi models

[remote star]

No i think its the level intros one

Or luigi physics

[fickle sphinx]

how do you know its alwyas loaded

[trail vapor]

maybe

[trail vapor]

that doesn't make sense tho

[remote star]

Simple:
When i add more textures to the luigi model the vram just explodes and everything turn white

[trail vapor]

why do you add more textures to the luigi model tho?

[remote star]

And if remove it.. the game even be more faster

[remote star]

I did this when i wanted yoshi to colect itens

And yoshi texture is giant

[trail vapor]

then it's yoshi's model

[remote star]

Luigi one too

I already did that test before

[fickle sphinx]

are you able to use desmume jpg

or is your testing limited to real hardware and drastic

[plush jasper]

you definitely messed up smth

it doesn't make sense that having luigi's model in the game but only loading mario's model would cause vram issues

[edgy heron]

i mean to be fair isn’t the rom like 380 MBs 🥹

[trail vapor]

yea i think the rom is kind of a mess... it really needs optimization

[remote star]

Ofc

[fickle sphinx]

not sure what optimization you could do there other than crunchin up the music

[trail vapor]

music is one of them yea

[edgy heron]

but how much do the NWAVs take up though

[remote star]

But it lags a shit

[remote star]

Depends

[edgy heron]

i only have one implemented rn and takes up 6.7mb (rom went from 20 to 26.7)

[trail vapor]

like, at least cut the songs so only the parts that are actually played, and one single loop, stay

[fickle sphinx]

try seeing if luigis palette is present when using the palette viewer and playing as mario

[trail vapor]

mine is 87mb 😭

[remote star]

If you optimize the song cuting in the loop it would save space, but if you make like me your rom will have 427 mb

[fickle sphinx]

(might be able to check textures or smthn too but im not at my computer atm and dont recall for sure)

[edgy heron]

also I think I might compress the songs even more cause with how high quality they sound in emulator it feels cursed for a ds lmao

[remote star]

Mine is 420

[remote star]

Its a wii game already

Why the skull tho 😭

[edgy heron]

I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT LMFAO

[edgy heron]

oddly specific number

[trail vapor]

the other thing would probably be optimizing some models

[trail vapor]

idk i just put it because one emoji wasn't enough 😭

[remote star]

What the number even means 😭

[edgy heron]

uhmmm

[trail vapor]

idk but its like 69 i think. people always say "69420" or stuff like that
-# no i don't know what both of these numbers are a reference to and i don't want to know

[remote star]

Oh 💀

[fickle sphinx]

420 means weed

some police code i think

lemme peek wiktionary rq

[trail vapor]

oh ok

[remote star]

OH 💀 💀

[fickle sphinx]

ah here we go

[trail vapor]

ohh okay then, interesting

[fickle sphinx]

i think thats bigger than nsmbwii yeah

with its padding removed

[trail vapor]

yea its something like 331 mb or something like that

[crimson dome]

My humble rom being 20MB in size

[edgy heron]

you're lucky you atleast got MIDI/SSEQ music 😔

also i think JPG could get a clean rom and 'port over ONLY the neccesary stuff cus theres sometimes where you make something and it takes up some stuff, then it becomes a mess to take out when you scrap it if you do lol

tho this might take some time becuase its a lot of exporting/importing files but its doable (just will take a decent amount of time)

[crimson dome]

I wish I could make them myself though, I feel SSEQ's are very underrated these days, and sadly, we don't have too many SSEQ composers in this server

[edgy heron]

same

the audio crunch from the ds in SSEQ is 😋

[remote star]

I know its dogshit but i cant make anything better

Now i will make the body and try to rig it

Hope it works

@plush jasper u can rig that for me? 👀

[trail vapor]

the thing tho is the wings. that's probably what you should worry about

[remote star]

That is easy

[trail vapor]

and animating them right

[remote star]

No they will be part of the mario body

Same as nsmbu

[edgy heron]

i think bester meant like the weight painting

which is what i was talking abt i think yesterday?

i used the squirrel once for one of my mvlo mods before but i couldnt bother to weight paint the wings so it looked weird

[trail vapor]

no i was talking about the model if the wings and how they would be animated

[bold kestrel]

bro my rom is 91.5GB

[trail vapor]

???

[edgy heron]

cherry

[remote star]

Blossom

[edgy heron]

cherry gloom :(((

[remote star]

😭

[frozen cove]

I’m Back. So I Heard That Your Replacing Yoshi With The Super Acorn Power up. the Video Said There’s Gonna Be Two Powerups. But The Game God Gonna Have 3. But…I Love That Idea. Perfect!

[remote star]

dies

I cant wait for the day i finish this model, because i will import it to the rom and save it in 7 diferent Google drive folders to make sure i dont lost it again

[uncut sentinel]

HELL NAH😭 is bro using windows 7

[remote star]

The problem is not the Windows bud 😭

[remote star]

And finally work on other stuff in this mod

[uncut sentinel]

atleast get windows 8 or 10

[uncut sentinel]

I know

[remote star]

My pc dont run even Windows 95 it will run Windows 10

[trail vapor]

yea the problem is the pc, it's not powerful enough. it's not a "choice" for him to use Windows 7

[uncut sentinel]

oh

[trail vapor]

also windows 8 sucks, windows 8.1 is better imo

[uncut sentinel]

yeah

[remote star]

Bro im probably behind a small wall to finish this model, and i just dont know how to break this wall to finish it

(Small wall i mean the error, breaking it = solving it)

[crimson dome]

Didn't Fuzzy and nld tell you how to fix the model already?

[trail vapor]

there's probably still one problem

[plush jasper]

I've sent him the imd with the wings attached to the player

after that he has to follow nld's tutorial

but he's messing it up

and now wanna try it with maya

I remember back then when I was working on my old rom hack called Halloween Night that I wanted to have Wario as the second player, but it just didn't work

literally been trying it for 6 months

back then when blender nns plugins weren't even out

and by the time they were, I had already given up

[remote star]

How you did without the blender plugins?

[plush jasper]

I didn't, that's the point

[remote star]

Oh

You was trying to use what?

[plush jasper]

maya plugins

I was trying to replace luigi with wario

[remote star]

Maya is not easy to use

But when you learn

It turns more easy

[plush jasper]

It messes up the armature

[remote star]

I imported it and the armature looks alright

And the same as in blender

[plush jasper]

only a person was able to use it for custom player models and nobody knows how

[plush jasper]

the difference is that it can be fixed by editing the imd

[remote star]

I converter the dae with the maya thing for convert it to fbx restore the armature without breaking

[plush jasper]

as for maya, it's the probably the same but no idea what parts to change how

[remote star]

But

It gives this annoying mtx prim size shit

[remote star]

Ray and freeze

[plush jasper]

nope, only replaced the head

not the body

which is totally not hard

the body is the issue

[remote star]

Yeah

[plush jasper]

and got an idea on how to fix it?

you don't even know what it is lol

[trail vapor]

does the original head have an armature or not?

[plush jasper]

it does, but it's a single bone

[trail vapor]

oh okay

[remote star]

I think its the wheight paint

[plush jasper]

the fun part about single bone aramtures is that the models can work even if you leave it out

[plush jasper]

there were cases where it worked and cases where it didn't

but the rotations gets messed up

[remote star]

Thats why i was begging asking you how to delete it

[trail vapor]

that's pretty cool. i assume that the bone sets the rotation and position then

[plush jasper]

you can't delete weight lol

[remote star]

FUCK

I want to set it to 0 i mean

[plush jasper]

it's always between (0 and 1)
0.. not affected much by the bone
1... strongly afffected by the bone

[remote star]

Or 1 idk

[remote star]

Yeah i know

[trail vapor]

there's a value that sets how much something is affected by a bone? interesting

[remote star]

Yeah we call it weight paint or deformation vallur

[trail vapor]

oh nice

[edgy heron]

ok im kinda lost but like

what exactly is the problem

i could try doing the weight paint thing if i can

[remote star]

Its because im trying to rig a model with the same armature as mario, But im not figuring what to do following the tutorial, cringefuzzy helped me but still i dont knew what to do, so i was trying with maya, but it gives me a error of mtx_prim_size when exporting the imd

[remote star]

I managed to do a thing... 👀

[fickle sphinx]

whadja do jpeg

[remote star]

I will show, gimme 30 or 20 mins

[remote star]

Ignore the head, its a test im making

Man im so happy Now

Im the happiest person in tthwww eeroddl

FUCK THIS GLITCHED TOUCH SCREEN

No but serious im so happy

[still roost]

Oh what is that? (can't really see cuz of the lighting)

[remote star]

The acorn suit thing

[still roost]

Nice

[fickle sphinx]

oh so didja get the model workin alright finally

[trail vapor]

it finally works?

[remote star]

I did some trickery, the wing is the shell, but, it deforms with the bones

So it dont looks weird

[trail vapor]

oh that's pretty cool

i thought that it was part of mario's model tho

did you just cancel trying to do this and switch to the shell instead?

[remote star]

Yeah

But trust me

[trail vapor]

and it's possible to attach the shell to other mario bones?

[remote star]

It looks better than you can expect

[trail vapor]

i thought the shell position on mario/luigi was hardcoded

[remote star]

No its attached to mario's spine

[trail vapor]

oh ok

and so you made it animate with the arms as well?

[trail vapor]

the world???

is that a...
||jojo referenerence?1?2!?1!1?||

||ZA WARUDO||

[still roost]

I'm laughing-

[remote star]

Poor b1, will have a heart attack 😭

[fickle sphinx]

whos b1

[trail vapor]

looks cool!

[trail vapor]

isnt that a member from evo or smth? idk

[remote star]

Its a guy from evo, he is a cool person, but he dont like ported graphics from other games

[fickle sphinx]

ah right

[remote star]

Like wii in u, u in wii, u/wii in ds, etc

He's also making the first nsmbw mod with 3d world maps

[fickle sphinx]

would that be newer dx or

[remote star]

No without the newer engine i mean

Using a editor from LiQ

[fickle sphinx]

ah

[remote star]

Shuriken

[fickle sphinx]

so will this be replacing the shuriken powerup

[remote star]

No

I just added it over shuriken for showcase

Since it have shell, custom head etc

[remote star]

William, what you think about how this looks?

[uncut sentinel]

Bro has to have everything in his mod

😭

[edgy heron]

ima be honest thats kinda a dumb thing ngl
like i understand their reasoning but sometimes seeing those graphics ported to another style could look well or even better sometimes

[edgy heron]

btw this actually looks very cool, glad you fixed it lol

[remote star]

https://youtu.be/vERL3HTWMVQ?si=KQKusR-T2N0ULPsn

Im thinking in using This for cannyon song

[remote star]

Yeah thats true

I really loved your wonder tileset ngl

[uncut sentinel]

but Nsmbu graphics are not good in nsmbw trust me I did before.

[remote star]

Imo bambu in wii looks weird for some reason

BAMBU LMFAO

[fickle sphinx]

id imagine theyre refering to scaling down graphics as opposed to redrawing em like youre dojng

[remote star]

Nsmbu*

[remote star]

LMAOOOO

[elder crystal]

i can't even see it cause of the quality of the screenshot bro

[remote star]

I was going to ask this in DM but i didn't want to be annoying

[remote star]

I will take another one just focusing in mario

NO WAY MARIO KOALA

😱

Bro why discord is compressing it 😭

[elder crystal]

where the wings at

[remote star]

On Marios back

[remote star]

With the angle its kinda hard to see

[edgy heron]

the compression goddamn 😭

[remote star]

https://tenor.com/view/high-quality-high-resolution-4k-144p-ultra-hd-gif-21054057

[elder crystal]

do the wings extend? or are they glued on his back?

[edgy heron]

the latter I think

[edgy heron]

Ty

[remote star]

Yeah they do

[edgy heron]

yea fair enough

[edgy heron]

oh

[remote star]

Tho its almost impossible to see playing the game tbh

[fickle sphinx]

are you sure its not just from you cropping a jpeg image

[edgy heron]

no wonder his name is jpg64

[remote star]

One of the rare ocasions of seeing it

[edgy heron]

maybe it’s too small? cus i remember the wing extending till the player’s wrists

[trail vapor]

i think it doesn't get extended depending on how mario moves his arms

[remote star]

I mean, if i did this it would be weird, since it only extents with arm r2/l2

[edgy heron]

hmmm

fair enough

[still roost]

Peak

[remote star]

Yeah he is in a frosty peak

-# bad joke 1

[still roost]

Lol

[uncut sentinel]

In higher resolution

[still roost]

AAAAA-

[remote star]

WHAT THE FUCK YOU DID BRO 😭

[uncut sentinel]

I tired 😦

[remote star]

it looks funny tho

[edgy heron]

to be honest that looks like would be accurate lol

despite the fact it looks cursed as hell

[plush jasper]

yo well done

[remote star]

Thanks! 🙂

[remote star]

Guys, should i show the acorn maya on ssmb server or wait for the full item and keep it as a surprise there and in my channel?

[fickle sphinx]

wouldnt it make more sense that the ssmb server would get ssmb news first

[remote star]

I noticed that with the acorn 5-tower will be easy, so when the item is done, i will add furry mario item to this level

[edgy heron]

do you mean super bell

[remote star]

Acorn

[edgy heron]

oop

[uncut sentinel]

bruh

"furry"

[remote star]

Super Bell, Acorn, elephant, leaf

[edgy heron]

when u said furry i imediately thought cat aka super bell and was about to go crazy 😭

[remote star]

Everything turns mario into a furry or therian

[remote star]

Im lying?

Sorry for the ping

[fair geode]

Real super acorn?

I didn’t know importing that power up into ds was possible

[edgy heron]

i mean the moveset is kinda simple

[remote star]

?possible

[edgy heron]

its just mainly taking already existing values and lowering them

[remote star]

Itztacos teached me this

[edgy heron]

like the speed at which you wallslide, 0 (tho it has a timer so this is complex)
and for the gliding its the same with a lower number

the double jump and the timer thing for the wallslide is where it seems hard tho

[uncut sentinel]

?possible

[uncut sentinel]

?possible

[fair geode]

Ah ok

Are you using the spin jump?

[remote star]

It means like, everything is possible, but if the hardware suporta it

[remote star]

Yeah

And the acorn suit have a simple animation that is already included in ds

[fair geode]

If you are finished with it, are you showcasing it?

[remote star]

see

[remote star]

What should i add here

[crimson dome]

You could probably take a look at this tileset from Newer Wii for some references

[edgy heron]

moon rock!

[remote star]

Ooooo thanks!!!

[remote star]

Finished

[trail vapor]

oh nice

[remote star]

Wich one is better

[trail vapor]

green meteors make more sense in your w5 theme

[remote star]

Yeah

I will use this for space
https://youtu.be/6ReSDUFV1nk?si=oXG8YQZwBXF_blh7

[fair geode]

Was hoping you would use asteroid coaster music

[trail vapor]

you're gonna reach 400mb soon, i know it

[remote star]

It already is

425 mb

[trail vapor]

😭😭😭

[edgy heron]

im still confused on why it’s taking up so much space… besides the music

does the romhack REALLY have 400mbs worth of music??

[remote star]

I was going to use, but its a bit too frenetic i think

[remote star]

Dont get scared, its because i dont optmized my songs

It have more than 1 loop

Some even 7

[fair geode]

Is that bad?

[edgy heron]

ya i feel like asteroid coaster is too extreme of a song for this type of game

[remote star]

Not really, But its funny

[edgy heron]

not entirely but

[trail vapor]

the original game is 21mb

[edgy heron]

would help to optimize

[remote star]

Even more that the rom have a lot of nsmbu stuff, and now it have almost the size of a nsmbw rom

[edgy heron]

true

[remote star]

Its literally nsmbu ds 2

[edgy heron]

backported NSMBW 👽

[remote star]

But biblically acurate

And now it will have even my beloved nut suit

[fickle sphinx]

it might be practical at some point to consider compressing/optimizing your songs

so you dont uh

[remote star]

(After illy said that i cant call this another thing beside nut suit)

[fickle sphinx]

have a 400 mb xdelta patch for your hack

[remote star]

Before the release i will make it

[crimson dome]

Isn't the original game 32MB?

[remote star]

The xdelta dont have 3 times less size than the rom?

[fickle sphinx]

32mb with padding

[remote star]

With the unessesaary size yeah

But the actual size is 21

[fickle sphinx]

wdym

[remote star]

The xdeltas i download have like 2-3 mb

And the rom 32/21

So wouldn't it be 50 or 100 mb?

[edgy heron]

making it 16khz with only 1 loop, good compression trust

[remote star]

Yeah

[crimson dome]

Well, yeah, but if your rom is way too big you might end up having an 10MB xdelta I think

[edgy heron]

(that’s what I did)

[fickle sphinx]

well since you put about 400mb of music in your rom its gnna have to contain those

[edgy heron]

how long would it even take to patch it

[remote star]

LMAOOO

[remote star]

But the xdelta would be 100 or 50 mb i think

[fickle sphinx]

xdeltas are usually small because the ammount of changed data is usually relatively small

here the changed data is 400 mb due to the music tracks

[trail vapor]

that's the size of the rom yea, but there's only 21mb with actual data

[edgy heron]

my rom marked 20.7mb before I added NWAVs

now it’s like

27.6 or smt

[remote star]

How to jumpscare para android kids with a rom that will consume their whole phone internal storage:

[crimson dome]

-# ~~That's why SSEQ's are better than NWAV ~~

[edgy heron]

-# (factual)

[trail vapor]

-# but they're also a pain in the butt to create

[remote star]

LMFAO

I already said how happy im with this?

[trail vapor]

yes you already did

[remote star]

So, im super happy with this

[crimson dome]

Not really

[remote star]

Btw, how many polygons yall think this acorn/nut have?

[fickle sphinx]

are they tris or quads

[remote star]

Tris

It have less polygons than the world map menu model

[fickle sphinx]

ill guess like 60 or so

[remote star]

(The world map menu have 108 polygons)

[remote star]

Almost there

Theres only a bit more

[fickle sphinx]

85,000,000,000

[remote star]

Hmmm, no, 82

[fickle sphinx]

ah gotcha

[edgy heron]

500 faces

[trail vapor]

me when https://discord.com/channels/399424476259024897/1292108128254558301

[fair geode]

Are you making the levels using your phone?

[trail vapor]

you cant make nsmb custom levels on phone

[edgy heron]

mobile nsmbe port 👽

[remote star]

Only the models graphics and some songs

[remote star]

My nose is bleeding asf

[remote star]

Guess who did nothing in the game because was playing donkey kong country returns world 9?

[fickle sphinx]

how was it

[edgy heron]

unrelated but holy shit this has 14k messages and literally the only thing that compares is new++ which has just half of that damn

[trail vapor]

???

why are you even comparing hacks in the first place

[remote star]

No he is talking about the channel

My channel has 14k messages

[trail vapor]

or do you still mean in amount of messages when you say "the only thing that compares"? or about the hack quality?

[remote star]

And her one have half of that

[remote star]

(But her hack is better ofc)

[trail vapor]

yea but the second half of the message sounds like it's comparing the hacks themselves

[remote star]

Yeah its about the channel

That have the half of messages

Since this channel have a lot of message

[trail vapor]

smb the missing lands also has about 7k messages

[remote star]

Since im a pro yapper

Yeah

Yeah

[fair geode]

You work on this every day

I am not surprised

[remote star]

Yup

[remote star]

The missing lands one and new++ one have the same amount of messages, so they're the ones with more messages before this one

[edgy heron]

no wait that wasnt my intention mb

i was talking about the post's message count

not the hacks

-# or aspect of the hack

sorry if it came off that way

[crimson dome]

I used to work on my hack every day too, but now there are some days where I simply do nothing with it

Also, this channel has probably the most amount of messages not only because JPG works on this everyday, but also because he showcases literally everything

[edgy heron]

i feel like im stuck making my hack but also not stuck 🫠
^ as in, basically i wanna code in something that i'll need for all the levels, except i don know how to properly do it but at the same time i do try to work on the graphics and levels

[remote star]

Yall already noticed how every world has the mountains on map?

[trail vapor]

wait true

[remote star]

-# cliff smb confirmed?!?!?!

[trail vapor]

i thought about this name too lol

[edgy heron]

zamn

[remote star]

"Zamn 😍😍" aahhh message

[sweet owl]

Even though I show off a lot I still keep so much secret lol

[remote star]

Lol

[crystal grail]

The nut powerup model is so cute i love it

[remote star]

Yeah same

[remote star]

I had a idea for 2-caslte

Tower*

It will be like this: a fortress, and in the background an airship that will shoot explosive Iron balls in the map

The level will be autoscroller

The airship will be the same airship of the w2 map ofc

[trail vapor]

didnt you already try that?

[remote star]

No but this one will be diferent

[trail vapor]

oh ok

[fickle sphinx]

should we be expecting a new post in #1290035837412573296 sometime soon for this

or were you planning on a different way of doing the explosive iron balls from the bg airship

[remote star]

The whole airship will need to be a background actor

[trail vapor]

background actor??

[remote star]

I means that it will go behind the tileset, and the ship itself will not going to have colision, only follow the player until the almost end of the level when the airship will fly away from the screen, and the level end will not going to have subnohara, only a flagpole and a signboard with a cannon icon

(The flagpole will be broken, since the player will go to the go through a warp and apear inside the ship)

[crimson dome]

I don't know what the hell you smoked but I want some too

[uncut sentinel]

@remote star Needs to stop be happy what you got JPG64 😭

[trail vapor]

honestly yea, i think you should try to make use of what's already in the game, instead of constantly wanting to make something new

there are a lot of cool elements in the game, and tons of combinations that haven't been done before. that could be very interesting to play around with in the editor

[sweet owl]

you cant do that

its impossible without rewriting the entire tile set engine

[trail vapor]

isnt it possible to make it 2d and integrate it into the background or something?

i know that you can change the z-layer of coin sprites to place them behind tiles tho

[remote star]

I never said its confirmed, its only a idea 😭

The 2-castle will be a fortress ruin with snow storm

(This one is confirmed)

[uncut sentinel]

Bro gonna make the game lag so badly because all these codes

😭

[remote star]

This level will not use code

[remote star]

LMFAO

[crimson dome]

But everytime you have an idea you always wanna force the programmers from this server to code it for you

At this point just mod NSMBU instead and all of your problems will be solved

[remote star]

(I smooked wonder flowers btw)

[uncut sentinel]

Yeah

[remote star]

As i said before, i will not going to use any other code stuff besides the ones in the list

Theres some stuff im considering remove from the list too

[trail vapor]

that's still quite a lot

[remote star]

The ones im talking about:
4
6
(7 is not nescessary as something to finish the mod. Its just there if someone want to do it)

[trail vapor]

i myself requested 2 code hacks for my hack and it already feels like a lot

[remote star]

And each 10 purple coins will be converted to 1 lives if you touch the flagpole

If i see something that can get removed (exept acorn and boomerang) i will remove

[remote star]

Now theres only 5 remaining code hacks to finish the mod

Not the mod, but the code hack stuff

Since i have a lot of levels for finish

I will try finishing them

After this, i will wait for the boomerang and acorn ones (at least the boomerang one) for finishing other levels

Tho i think until i finish those levels

All this list will be finished lol

Because i delay a lot for making levels with cool ideas

[fickle sphinx]

oh yeah late but maybe if you wanted a similar effect but with less code hacks maybe you could make the top bg an airship n use thosr front facing bullet bills

they wont be much of a threat tho id imagine

[remote star]

OOOOOO

Thats a cool idea

But as i said, i dont plan using nothing like this in levels

It was just like those random ideas i have and want to say, even though im not going to use it

[trail vapor]

arent the front facing bullet bills static tho?

[remote star]

Yeah

But its funny for some stuff

[trail vapor]

that'd be kinda weird tho

[sweet owl]

thats only behind actors or things like fences

[remote star]

I plan using those bullet bills going up with flip blocks on 1-ship

[remote star]

For a star coin

[sweet owl]

which all make use of the 3d engine

[fickle sphinx]

itd be a sorta hacky way of going about it yeah

[remote star]

Like, the player need to be carrefull

Since actors activate the flil block

[trail vapor]

the coins were placed behind the tileset tiles tho, in 1-1. i had to change a sprite setting and it worked

[remote star]

(And its excelent for some level ideas)

I will make a good use of those flip blocks

[sweet owl]

behind what tiles?

[remote star]

In a lot of levels

[trail vapor]

grass tiles in my tileset

might try to send screenshots tomorrow

[remote star]

It happened for me

And it was a acident

I was testing coins settings

[elder crystal]

OAM can be drawn on the BG layer

[fickle sphinx]

cant models also go behind those arrows ffromthe sewer level

[sweet owl]

oh yeah we are talking about oam

[crimson dome]

Don't coins get behind every tile when you enable the behind fence setting?

[remote star]

OAM is 2d?

[remote star]

Or @ztard

What

Or flat models*

Like nsbtx

[sweet owl]

i thought that the coin actor was a nsbtx for a seccond lol

[crimson dome]

Because this also happened to me in a level I was making a long agu

[remote star]

The purple coin one js

DM jz ztardus confimted

Duck

Fuck*

[crimson dome]

Blud was about to ping me

[remote star]

No idk what happened in this message

I was going to say "flat models"

I will add some stuff in the bottom screen

Like

L/R View Vap Select Zoom Start Pause

[edgy heron]

what 😭

[sweet owl]

Those are models

[sweet owl]

Those are oam

[fickle sphinx]

im aware

so what exactly can/cant be drawn over what

[sweet owl]

Models always have to be loaded on the top layer

Oam can be drawn on any layer

[remote star]

Ohhh

[edgy heron]

''oam, model, nsbtx'' most brain killing words ever 👽

[elder crystal]

He called you a ztard 💀

[edgy heron]

thank god someone else pointed it out for me

[remote star]

https://youtube.com/shorts/oMBGgD2quc8?si=SsOA54XTnO7KQ3EA

Im going to use this method for make next ssmb models

Done

The organization Of the letters is strategic, since some parts of this have hardcoded tiles on the bottom screen, so it need go be transparent for work

Idk if i can even add something new there

[fickle sphinx]

wonder if you could use the left side of the O for C G and Q

also do you need Q

what were your world names again

[remote star]

Sakura
Cliffs

Frosty
Heights

ShyGuy
Mines

Haunted
Graveyard

BlackHole
Valley

The paradise

[fickle sphinx]

coukd prolly remove J Q W Z

X too

[trail vapor]

i thought you said ztand and i thought about jojo 😭

[trail vapor]

oh nice!

[remote star]

I should add the Brown details there?

Like the ears and hat

And like in nsmbu

[fair geode]

[remote star]

H

[crystal grail]

Maybe its too complicated but go for it, i think it would look nice

[remote star]

Its not complicate actually

Its pretty easy

I just need to map the uv on the texture

[trail vapor]

i think so

it would look better

[crystal grail]

Nice

[remote star]

I really deleted the maya project with the wings 😭

[fickle sphinx]

awh rip

[remote star]

What is this on w1 😭

[shy wraith]

corruption?

[fickle sphinx]

very avant garde level design jpeg

[remote star]

Probably a tileset test leftover or a room that good random tiled when i changed the tileset

[remote star]

Im the best level designer 😎

[uncut sentinel]

I'm the greatest level designer

In history

[plush jasper]

Does maya not have auto save?

[tropic hound]

When are we getting New Super Squidward Bros

[remote star]

It does

But when i was going to open it i acidentally deleted it

[plush jasper]

😭

[remote star]

I did some stuff in the game today

Mostly backgrounds and world map bottom screen edits

[trail vapor]

nice

did you do the stuff for the bottom screen of the world map yet?

[trail vapor]

this

also please uppercase for the "z" in zoom and the "v" in view

[edgy heron]

speaking of bottom screen-
could u send me that one template thing u mentioned about the title screen's menu buttons 🥺

[remote star]

The font i used i cant do it 😭

[remote star]

Sure 😉

[fickle sphinx]

what font did you use

[trail vapor]

oh i thought the "p" was a capital "P" that's why

but its only moved upwards a bit

[remote star]

Delphino pixel lite

[remote star]

Full conected map concept

Inspired by smw nap

Map*

[trail vapor]

interesting

[uncut sentinel]

Bro making another world map

[crystal grail]

Cool

[remote star]

No lol

• concept

It dont have even the texture

Just a showcase on how it would be

Also, who noticed that w3 keeps the nsmbds w3 shape?

[plush jasper]

work more on levels

[crimson dome]

Lmao

Based

[remote star]

Im not going to work on levels without some ideas tho

Since my levels look little timmy levels

When i dont have a idea or base from what to do

Always remember of this level, it looks shit
https://youtu.be/-A5ihPGFsi8?si=XDjT0lQDGe8s3ibO

BRO THIS MAP JUMPSCARED ME 😭

[tropic hound]

You have a channel?

[remote star]

2 channels, one for random video and this channel

[remote star]

I have other youtube accounts with subscribers but they're just for existing there

[crystal grail]

Advertising the rom hack for my friends

[remote star]

Sakura smb!1!1

You have thar logo?

Oh ite the trailer one

(Yes i was going to add it in game)

[edgy heron]

JPG watch out 😭

[shy wraith]

well, great. now I can't play this on authentic hardware

[edgy heron]

no its not 512 mb

i was just saying cause its like, around 400 lmao

but he could optimize a lot of space, i think theres a lot of soundtracks he can cut and compress

[shy wraith]

wait until the code hacks get added.

[trail vapor]

code hacks barely take any space in the rom

[remote star]

Lmfaooo

[remote star]

And i will do it before the release

[edgy heron]

thats what i was thinking aswell

what prob takes up space is the music and models

[remote star]

Only music actually

[trail vapor]

definitely the music tho

you would barely notice a difference with anything else, unless you add files, or add songs in the sound_data.sdat file, but that usually won't be more than 5mb

[remote star]

Yeah

[fair geode]

[remote star]

ITS FINALLY TRUE

[shy wraith]

the world star

the world star is real

[shy wraith]

also, why crag own that gap?

[remote star]

Good question 🤔

[shy wraith]

who crag?

is he important to the lore?

[remote star]

In fact that name is a reference to gap peaks from super paper mario

Even the song is the same

[trail vapor]

you should probably improve the star icon graphic tho

[remote star]

Yeah

[tropic hound]

The level looks very nice!

[neon kernel]

nwav

its cooked 😭

[fickle sphinx]

tbf thats the music tracks and not the code itself

[remote star]

Both tho since for having the songs u need the code

[neon kernel]

still a code hack

[fickle sphinx]

the music tracks themselves are not a code hack no

[neon kernel]

les go

[shy wraith]

another level showcased

[fickle sphinx]

mind if i give critique

[neon kernel]

as i made most of the level no go ahead

[fickle sphinx]

my thoughts

• name feels unfitting since theres no sign of any ice
• once again id advise removing the decorations placed above holes
• theres too many secrets clustered into that one area right at the beginning of the level (sakura coins 1 and 2, plus the secret exit)
• the secret pipe lacks any indication that its there really
• the porcupuffer, water, and lava in the sub areas feels unfitting
• the warp to the cave area feels sudden and awkward
• some rexes could be placed better (mainly those near the end of the level)
• its easier to get the third sakura coin than it is to avoid it
• the level is too short
  overall feels like an ok enough level, and it looks nice aesthetically speaking. i think spacing things out would solve a lot of the issues i have with it (like length, the clustering of secrets, maaaybe the abrupt cave transition)

[remote star]

Some of those stuff makes sense

Like the lava

2-A is a lava level

[neon kernel]

the porcupuffer was off

[remote star]

Yeah the pocupuffer was my idea lol

And the decoration

And for the secret exit i dont really agree tbh

Since its called a secret exit

Almost every secret exit is very hidden in most of mario games

[crimson dome]

I just watched the level and I agree with most od DM's points, star coin 1 & 2 are too close from each other, the porcupuffer feels so random, the lava area is unfitting, the transitions between the outside and underground areas feel unbalanced, the trees in the void aren't that bad but they could misslrad players, the exit pipe from the porcupuffer area feels randomly placed, and there are some minor tiling errors (i.e., there's a tree that is cut by a pipe, and you placed a horizontsl pipe near the ground which makes it look like it's cropped)

Idk about the secret exit, but imo, it doesn't feel very intuitive

[remote star]

The lava is because of 2-A

[fickle sphinx]

for point 4 im refering to the pipe to the porcupuffer sub area to be clear

tho i do feel similarly about the secret exit sub area pipe

but i didnt mention anything as i figured the whole clustering of secrets thing was affecting that

id be less likely to look for secrets if there were two right of the bat i feel so maybe spacing those out would make me more inclined to check for a secret pipe if i were playing

[remote star]

3rd star coin fix this

[remote star]

Thats the point for the 2 secrets on the same area, its like some newer wii levels, and its actually similar to some stuff nintendo do

[crimson dome]

I still feel it's unfitting

[fickle sphinx]

maybe itd feel less out of place if you commited to changing the aesthetic a bit more

so itd look less like "youre outside again, but theres lava this time"

[remote star]

I see

[fickle sphinx]

or perhaps the area could be made a bit longer to give it more time to soak in

or smthn

[remote star]

The lava actually was not there

But i placed it

Since i wanted to make it more "immersive"

About the level being short, yeah i agree, but its not a problem tbh, since the level is good and fun to play

[trail vapor]

at the end, the platforming seems to be quite difficult

you have to make long jumps and use the spin jump

sometimes the terrain is also weirdly shaped, making it harder to jump

[fickle sphinx]

a short level can be fine, but i think in this case its leading to problems (like the clustering and things feeling abrupt or too soon)

oh also something i noticed after a rewatch is perhaps some of the coin trails could be repositioned a touch

some seem like theyre a bit low

[remote star]

Yeah when i placed them i didn't noticed stuff

[neon kernel]

nsmbe would literally not let me move the warp to make it right

thats not my fault

well it would but it wouldnt work in nsmbds

[fickle sphinx]

did you ever end up moving the views further apart

[neon kernel]

yea

why

[fickle sphinx]

was just wondering in case that was causing issue or something

[neon kernel]

nah

moved em when i started developing the second half

also the cave area is just for transition to the second area

[fickle sphinx]

is the cave area really necessary then

its pretty short anyhow

could prolly just make the whole level pretty much just one area

barring the sakura coin n secret exit places

[neon kernel]

it makes it feel longer

[fickle sphinx]

honestly i think it makes it feel shorter

youre never really given a chance to take in any of the 3 areas since youre taken to the next so soon

then the levels over

[neon kernel]

theres only 2

the bonus area is part of area 2

[fickle sphinx]

by 3 i mean the

• starting area
• cave area
• area after exiting the cave

[neon kernel]

ah

so 5 areas

bonus and secret

[fickle sphinx]

yeah but my point of contingency is with the main 3 ive mentioned

[fickle sphinx]

that being that latter two here could prolly be nixed in favor of maning the first area longer

[fickle sphinx]

contention

not contingency

think thats the word i mean

[trail vapor]

???

[bold kestrel]

imagine seeing that at 3 am next to ur bed

[trail vapor]

mario is watching... 👁️👁️

[shy wraith]

that's when you get out the baseball bat

[remote star]

Wait... 👁👁

[edgy heron]

hu

[remote star]

Ok revealing it

Its a new shuriken mario model

Thanks to @edgy heron

[trail vapor]

oh okay

[remote star]

Shell done

It delayed because im dumbass

Now more 4 hours for the head bye

[remote star]

Finished

[fickle sphinx]

howsit look