New++ Super Mario Bros

[sullen plinth]

Yeah, I think really the easiest way to do that kind of thing is to either pull the Color Splash thing where he just kept summoning minions while doing mostly nothing on the smokestack, or to pull what mainline games often do and... make him easier than the rest, which I imagine is done to show that he's not really in on it, so it's difficult for him to focus on it (but of course, does a poor job at conveying that because they don't really put dialogue or anything like that).

The best that mainline has conveyed this bit of Larry's character was in the Super Mario Bros 3 Japanese instruction booklet, with him saying that he's doing what Bowser says because he doesn't wanna be yelled at, but Color Splash's dialogue (in Japanese) does a better job of conveying this, having him outright admit he wanted to rest instead of fight but feels like there isn't any helping it because of the fact Mario showed up, so he thinks he has no choice (and ultimately I think that suggests the choice is on Mario, but Mario misunderstands him as being dishonest ALA Hooktail in The Thousand Year Door or the crumpled Paper Goomba in Paper Jam so Mario fights anyway, of course, as Mario wouldn't see all the consistent ties with his behavior since he doesn't know him well), then go on to say "If I don't defeat you before the train reaches starlight cape and bring back the big paint star, scary Lord Bowser is going to scold me!".

[fossil token]

yeah I kept it

even though it can only be seen when the game is scaled up

[sullen plinth]

Ah yeah, understandable it can only be seen when it's upscaled. I was mistakenly under the impression it was removed, haha! 😅

[fossil token]

I just made it really low poly since it cant be seen under normal circumstances

[sullen plinth]

Ah yeah, probably a good decision as well since it's on a DS game. Best to make models as low poly as possible while still looking good, haha!

Larry is canonically 13 (his current voice actress was specifically told to do a 13-year-old boy voice speaking gibberish, which adds up with Larry's characterization and the fact that according to Ludwig's current voice actor, Nintendo implied Ludwig is a teenager, which makes sense of Larry's voice actress being told to speak gibberish like a 13-year-old boy)

Lemmy being an older than he looks type of character, is definitely not a toddler. With Larry being 13, that would imply Lemmy is at least 14, probably moreso 15 or 16 based on how he's written, I'll play it safe and say Lemmy must be between 14 and 16. Also based on how they're all written, seems pretty clear Larry is youngest and Ludwig is oldest.

Larry is the confirmed youngest and is 13, so they're all teenagers. Lemmy is an older than they look and sound type character trope and is also very talented with being an illusionist, so pretty clearly older than he looks/sounds.

[fossil token]

I believe lemmy is second oldest

[sullen plinth]

With them all being teenagers, I can get behind that. I personally think he's one of the younger ones, however, due to his maturity level compared to most. My guesstamates for their age order goes as follows:

• Larry (13)
• Iggy (14 ~ 16)
• Lemmy (14 ~ 16)
• Morton (16 ~ 17)
• Wendy (16 ~ 17)
• Roy (17 ~ 18)
• Ludwig (19)

Morton is hard to place though because he's pretty clearly intellectually disabled, speaking in a broken way and having really poor memory/trouble remembering who Mario even is at first glance and can sit there for a solid amount of time having a conversation (presenting as docile and calm) with Mario there and will only realize it's Mario when he's told that it's Mario, except for in NSMB games I imagine he's just shown reminders beforehand but not sure.

Other than that, though. It's all based on maturity level and how they're each written as characters. I kind of gravitate toward Iggy and Lemmy being 16 since Larry has kind of a maturity gap from the rest, behaving much more kid than the others, whereas Iggy and Lemmy's type of immaturity mostly borders on older teenager immaturity with few exceptions such as their argument over who gets to press a button where they were kiddish.

Iggy is intentionally immature while Larry is unintentionally immature, and Lemmy is less immature than Iggy.

And Wendy is the second most mature after Ludwig/the one Ludwig trusts to watch after Bowser Junior just behind himself in Bowser Junior's Journey, so I feel like Wendy is one of the older Koopalings due to that.

Roy was incredibly immature toward Junior, but I also feel like Roy's immaturity was handled in a way that makes it feel more like he's the type of older teenager who sees it as a problem when little kids are acting like em. Roy saying that Junior is selfish and rude and that only he can be selfish and rude.

But I can understand seeing Lemmy as second oldest considering the Super Mario Bros 3 fight order is a common way of viewing the age order.

[fossil token]

the other way I see it is that Iggy and lemmy are twins and are the third/fourth oldest

[sullen plinth]

Ah yeah, I actually like to believe that Iggy and Lemmy are twins as well, except as second/third youngest. (And of course, them being twins makes sense, following Nintendo's trope of taller younger twin and shorter older twin, and Iggy is associated with really light green and Lemmy with orange, so it's like Mario and Luigi's colors but lighter and brighter, another thing Nintendo often does with that trope, younger = green, older = red)

(Oh yeah, random but fun fact: Larry is red-green colorblind, only Koopaling as far as I'm aware to have a color vision deficiency, another thing that makes Larry just as unique as the other Koopalings are, though Larry has much more trivial bits than the others from what I've noticed, though the others still have their fair bit of trivial bits about them)

[fossil token]

Larry is colour blind just like me

the thing with lemmy and iggy's colours though is kinda intresting as iggy use to be blue

also, I fixed lemmy's ball for those who are interested in the fight development, Im thinking of also making a spiky ball for lemmy in one phase because colour splash gave him a spiky ball

[sullen plinth]

Same with me, though I'm mildly colorblind, which I figured out because of discovering Larry is severely colorblind, haha!

I don't think that was ever intentional (moreso the sprite artists not knowing what they were doing and improvising a lot with the Koopalings because they couldn't figure out how to design them as sprites which was all charming in it's own way, but I do prefer on model), as the artwork has always depicted Iggy with green, but back then, they were mostly all associated with green so it was probably an after thought when they came back for NSMB Wii.

I think a lot of their characterization started to become established later on as they started to use the Koopalings more.

[sullen plinth]

Awesomeeeeeee! I like that model of Lemmy's ball! Do you know how it looks in game?

Like, have you imported this yet?

I know I saw a version that didn't work well with smooth shading, haha! But I feel like it can work with smooth shading.

[fossil token]

I turned Larry into a ball

[sullen plinth]

Ahaha!

The ball looks awesomeeeeeeeee! Looks perfect!

[fossil token]

well im in a place where I can start the fight now, I got everything I needed but im to tierd so ill probs do it tmr, I still need to make orange fire and the ball projectile actors for lemmy before I can start his fight though

I have so many ideas like clowns, clown car stuff, making a massive tower out of balls

Im gonna have to decide soon lol

[sullen plinth]

I wonder if you could also reference Lemmy's "Now you see it! Now you don't!" thing, haha! But I guess that'd be hard to reference in a 2D platformer as opposed to a card based battle system where that kind of thing can be done to the cards.

Or, wait, I have an idea. If the player has has a power up in storage, perhaps if they're about to use it, Lemmy can do a "Now you see it! Now you don't!" thing and make the powerup disappear in thin air, haha! A small thing that may go unnoticed, but fits the character quite well, haha!

And I should be getting sleep. I slept most of the day and now I'm up at night, AAAAA, it's 4:37AM for me, I should get at least some sleep.

[fossil token]

oh thats a really cool idea

I can check if a bubble is spawned then freeze the player and make lemmy kill the bubble

[fathom kraken]

Barry

[stoic lava]

I was playing mario party ds with my mom and i got a ztar

OH I FORGOT ABOUT THAT 😭

At least the model is actually finished so if u want i can make animations and nsbmd for it

[onyx lantern]

Bro is it not okay for me to have a opinion on something why you coming at me with a whole essay I'm not gonna read? 😭

[tepid temple]

We got a koopaling expert in here

[sullen plinth]

It IS okay for you to have an opinion on something. But the gif inherently implies one is objectively better or worse than the other based on the wording, something that is kind of annoying. If the captions of the gif didn't diss Larry in a way that suggests the character is objectively inferior to the other, I wouldn't be annoyed. Koopaling fans do this all the time, mostly Ludwig against Larry, you can't blame me for trying to tell you there isn't objectivity here.

It's perfectly okay that Lemmy appeals to you and that he's your favorite, I like him a lot too, but "Lemmy Koopa fans because we know he's better than Larry" directly disses Larry as a character. The dissing is annoying and one character isn't objectively better than the other, they're both appealing to different people in their own ways which is my point, not that you "can't have opinions" I never said that you're "not allowed to have opinions".

I feel like you'd have gotten my point if you read what I said. You don't have to, though. I can't force you.

[sullen plinth]

That's true, I am an expert on the Koopalings, haha! I put a lot of work into trying to do character portrayal accurately in my SM64DS Hack, so that's how I know so much about the Koopalings.

[stoic lava]

Lemmy is the Best one imo

[sullen plinth]

That's valid, Lemmy's pretty great!

[onyx lantern]

-# okay but it's just a gif...

[wraith gust]

Oh, hi Larry!!!!

[sullen plinth]

Heya, Mr. Ztardust!

[lapis lark]

PHD in koopaling knowledge 🔥🔥🔥😭😭😭

[civic cloud]

Hey Larry, fancy seeing you here

[sullen plinth]

Heya! Good to see you here!

[fossil token]

I think the lemmy concept I’m gonna go with is the ball stack one

Aka tower power pokey lemmy edition

[fossil token]

setting up the model stuff for the ball tower looks so stupid lol

[stoic lava]

😭

[wraith gust]

LMAO

[ocean pivot]

if this is true i can be actually a better coder than him in 2 months

[fickle tapir]

it will be released before 2028

[stoic lava]

Dont rush she

[analog oracle]

ultimately relatable

[fickle tapir]

at that point ask chat gpt 😭

i do it if its just repeating but changing 1 thing

[analog oracle]

if (this == true) 
jouner.coderInTwoMonths = true;```

[stoic lava]

LMAO

[fossil token]

LMAO

[fossil token]

Ball one

four more to go

*three more

[stoic lava]

Where's his ponytail

[fossil token]

ball two

[stoic lava]

Ball

[fossil token]

there

[stoic lava]

OH

Didn't saw it

[fossil token]

all of his balls

[onyx lantern]

are the four balls gonna be used for the hard mode?

i feel like he should have three imo

[fossil token]

he takes five hits

every hit he gets one ball

[fossil token]

nope

[onyx lantern]

-# i meant b-sides im stupid

[onyx lantern]

oh aight

[onyx lantern]

oohh ok

[ocean pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/jett-dawson-jett-dawson-jettdawson-dunk-gif-6488095463764103134

[civic cloud]

My prediction for the gameplay of the boss, he tosses bombs which have to be thrown back to destroy the stack until it's small enough for Lemmy to be jumped on

[fossil token]

yup,

he shots fire, bombs and balls

so you can break the stack or climb up with the balls

[civic cloud]

Nice

[lapis lark]

cant wait for smashy to do new++ mythbusters to see what is and isn't possible with lemmy's balls

[sullen plinth]

That looks so cool! Though his wand needs to have a green tip since Lemmy's wand is green as he currently has Larry's wand, heheh. Also, here's an idea I think would fit his character quite well, what do you think of the idea of Lemmy being able to use his wand to disappear for a brief second and appear in another location after? (as another attack he can do on random choice) I can see that adding challenge for Mario and it'd fit the illusionist trait.

[open nymph]

If you can, add animations of when Mario steps on the koopaling and when he gets inside the shell, reduce the movement speed of the shell, or make it from less to neutral👍🏼

[fossil token]

It’s a meme video

[fossil token]

I’m colour blind lol, I though the wand was orange

I also don’t have a wand texture btw

I just reuse some parts of lemmys texture to save on vram

[sullen plinth]

Ah, that's understandable, yeah, the tip of his wand is meant to be green. (I'm only mildly, like, I guess it's more appropriate to say I'm just color deficient rather than colorblind since I can still technically see every color, it's just apparently duller as well as I can't see the difference between many shades of colors, especially the more similar the shades are)

And that's understandable you just reuse parts of Lemmy's texture to save on vram, that's a smart decision.

[fossil token]

Yeah I’m really weak red, I see it at about 20% and green and red at 100%. I honestly don’t know why I didn’t notice why the wand is green as I should be able to see fine

[sullen plinth]

I think I'm the common green weak, but only mildly green weak, more like green deficient, which is the most common type of "colorblindness" heheh. I have deuteranomally, pretty sure. Red-green colorblindness (deutan and protan) tends to go hand and hand from what I've learned (and looking at filtered images that simulate both types of colorblindness, heheh) so if you have trouble seeing red, I think it's that you'd tend to have trouble seeing green as well?

Like, the more you have trouble seeing one or the other, the more they just kind of mix, hence why you'd have seen Lemmy's wand as orange rather than green. Green would be easier to make out if red weak and vice versa than the other, but they still very much mix with each other/look very similar to each other I think. I'm not 100% sure if I'm right or wrong, but I believe that's what I've figured out from searching things up after I figured out Larry Koopa is colorblind.

[fossil token]

Yeah, it tends to be like that and a simmer thing happens with purples

I have protan iirc

[sullen plinth]

I think purple and blue tend to mix as well with both deutan and protan. Red weak is definitely protan whereas Green weak is deutan. Deutan (mild) is the most common type of colorblindness. I don't really know what specific type of colorblindness Larry's character has but I'm guessing it's either full blown deuteranopia or full blown protanopia, I kind of lean toward Larry being a full blown deutan but of course I'm not sure which one, I just know he's red-green colorblind.

[fossil token]

I think I have come up with the logic behind the ball stack code

Ima try to start coding the ball stack later tonight when it cools down

[fossil token]

the tower is kinda working now

[rapid bramble]

You need a single model

no wait

nvm

but please use an array

[rapid bramble]

You may be able to use a single model and multiple animation objects

[rich palm]

This gonna be like NSMBU Morton?

[analog oracle]

could

for (int i; i < balls; i++)``` work?

[fossil token]

Yeah I could

I cut it down a lot and just have stuff for the position of each ball

[iron igloo]

who is this koopaling connoisseur

[sullen plinth]

Me? Just someone who knows a lot about the characterization of the Koopalings.

[wraith gust]

He's also making one of the best SM64DS hacks ever made

Larry DS

[fathom kraken]

True, even better than Skawo's one!

[fossil token]

Yeah I could probably do smth like that

[fossil token]

random thing I was thinking, should every ball have its own active collider or should I just make one that grow as the fight goes on?

each of them having their own will be needed if I want them to be able to be popped by bombs

[fickle tapir]

why not both

the more the merrier

[fossil token]

oh yeah this is the state of the model loading crap on the hpp file, ill put it in an array if Vec3's can be put in one

[stoic lava]

Im too dumb for understanding that

[olive owl]

Vec3's should be fine in an array

[stoic lava]

Ik its for adding more balls tho

But idk what it does

Wait i think i said what it does

Whatever, yk what i nean

[fossil token]

LMAO

[fickle tapir]

he needs to sit

[fossil token]

well its starting to come together

[olive owl]

Lemmy: aggressively acrobatics

Looking good

[lapis lark]

do a flip! 💯

[fickle tapir]

you mean larry 😭

listen to him

[fossil token]

I havent set up Lemmys sound effects yet

its one of the most annoying parts

[civic cloud]

Idea for a slight throwback regarding Lemmy's balls, in SMB3 they actually damaged the player, my idea is that if they land from above they damage, but from the side they just bump Mario away

Idk if it's easy to implement tho

[fossil token]

thats what I want to do

[civic cloud]

Awesome

[sullen plinth]

I mean, Larry and Lemmy look very different from each other (both are distinct, unique characters) too and so I'd say Lemmy because of the way he looks. Voice just wasn't implemented yet as Illy said directly under your messages.

I understand what you were saying probably wasn't serious, though.

[fickle tapir]

yea i was joking 😭

[sullen plinth]

I was slightly worried it was a "Lemmy and Larry look the same" type of thing because a lot of fans say that even though that isn't true, so I guess I responded a bit impulsively but then wanted to acknowledge it was probably not serious.

Sorry for the ping, I often forget to turn off the ping when replying to specific messages. 😦

[lapis lark]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1257599393058787390/1331518122435543070/1248020225841172570.gif

[sullen plinth]

You added Ndy's character as a playable character in your mod?

Honestly I'm not sure if there's anything I'd like to see in your mod, but of course, I'm not that big in NSMB hacking (well, not compared to where I am in SM64DS hacking anyway, well, by a wide wide margin, as far as NSMB Hacking goes, I only ever made a character swap mod I never released because of crashing issues and the fact it won't work on console and thinking when I get the time, I want to redo it entirely as a custom object over the player) so I'm probably in no position to ask for anything either way.

That said, I'ma be honest, I like Teto and Miku, so I'd not want to see them hurt Larry personally, but of course, whatever you add to your hack is your choice, heheh.

[fickle tapir]

add me as an enemy trust

[wraith gust]

Ztar boss? 🥺

[fickle tapir]

that could work

as a tower boss

[olive owl]

You added Ndy's character as a playable character in your mod?
I go beyond the bounds of NSNdyB

[fossil token]

ndy about to murder lemmy

[fossil token]

I would not add miku and teto lol

I just have ndy in the hack for the memes

and also so he doesnt demote me for not worshiping him

[olive owl]

LOL

[onyx lantern]

careful spongebob
Careful Spongebob
CAREFUL SPONGEBOB

CAREFUL SPONGEBOOOOBB

[fossil token]

I wanted to work on some code for this fight but the logic behinde it is a lot for me

I might not do any more today

[lapis lark]

SHUT UP PATRICK

SHUT THE FUCK UP

[fossil token]

Lemmy's tower background

its weird how the windows lined up behine the pillers lmao

I need to fix that

yeah lol there is twice as many pillers as there should be

this is what it looks like with the windows visable

[stoic lava]

Ndy vs lemmy: who wins?
Spoiler: ||ndy used the ban hammer and won the fight ||

[stoic lava]

Yo that tileset looks good

[civic cloud]

Fr

[lapis lark]

you cooked with that tileset

[rich palm]

Geen

https://tenor.com/view/he's-geen-kakapo-parrot-locket-hes-geen-gif-17253055600951382188

[fossil token]

It’s an old crappy one

That’s the old fire tower time set

I’m making a green one

[runic storm]

hello! i'm starting to get interested on this project more that it used to.

are we adding new characters and levels for this hack?

[lapis lark]

the hack has yoshi and wario

and ndy

[stoic lava]

Every hack add new levels i think, but she's adding new characters, yoshi,walluigi, wario and ndy

[lapis lark]

this hacks gonna be peak

[stoic lava]

Yea

[runic storm]

excuse me... yoshi, wario and waluigi?

[stoic lava]

Yea

[lapis lark]

yup

[runic storm]

https://tenor.com/view/its-peak-old-man-shaking-head-gif-3938163323164042530

[stoic lava]

And ndymario

[runic storm]

that's a cool one

lol

[stoic lava]

Ill play this game in the A and B sides, 100%, with every character and every yoshi color

[runic storm]

i was modding 64ds and i moved on from it. i guess i will be modding nsmbds instead

suggestion: waluigi could use his high poly model from mario party ds

[stoic lava]

It is i think

[runic storm]

really?

[stoic lava]

Idk, i think it is

Making custom characters models is really hard

[runic storm]

i have this model

but it's not t-posed xd

[stoic lava]

It need to use mario's armature tho

[lapis lark]

btw nice pfp jpg

[stoic lava]

Otherwise It will not work

[fossil token]

it is

[stoic lava]

Thanks! Journer made the sprite ^^

[fossil token]

I need to remake it though

[runic storm]

may i see it Illy?

i didn't know it was that model xd

[stoic lava]

Its like the one you posted

[runic storm]

cool!

i guess both yoshi and wario will have their models from 64 ds

right??

[stoic lava]

Yea

[runic storm]

nice

[stoic lava]

The yoshi i think its the one from nsmbds files tho

[runic storm]

is wario in nsmbds? like, in the files or something

[runic storm]

even better xD

[stoic lava]

Only a 2d sprite

[stoic lava]

Its the same as sm64 ds model

[fossil token]

its the one from 64ds

[stoic lava]

Its inside a minigame archive

[stoic lava]

Gotcha

[runic storm]

i think this model is going to be peak

looking forward to this project!

[stoic lava]

Same

[runic storm]

i'm really loving this modding community

[stoic lava]

Yea this comunity is pretty good ngl

[runic storm]

one of the best modding communities out there for ds games

[stoic lava]

I think for modding itself

[runic storm]

yea

are you working for this project?

[stoic lava]

I helped with some minnor 3d models

[runic storm]

nice

another question. are there going to be more characters besides yoshi, wario, waluigi and ndymario?

[fossil token]

The only thing that you made that im currently using is the checkpoint model and yoshi head

[stoic lava]

Ik, Thats why i said minor 3d models

[fossil token]

this tile set turned out so crusty

I hate it

ok this is looking a lot better now

still not perfect though

[runic storm]

[fossil token]

not sure

rigging them is a pain and doing the sound effects is even worse

[runic storm]

rigging is the hardest part imo

[fossil token]

sound effects are the hardest

[runic storm]

really?

[fossil token]

thats why I havent even made the yoshi sound effects yet

well I have but they are all out of order

[runic storm]

oh wow

btw. i'm really curious on how waluigi does look like

[fossil token]

not finished

[runic storm]

[runic storm]

now i want to see the actual waluigi model in blender

[fossil token]

I think ima leave the tile set here

[wraith gust]

I honestly think it looks dope, if anything I would prolly just add more colors/gradients to those edge parts, but otherwise looks fine

I love seeing NSMBWii/U in DS style

[fossil token]

yeah I need to do that still

[fossil token]

I wanted to start coding the ball actor today but I just didnt

this hack is so much work lol

the amount of time thats going into this one level could make half a world in another hack

[wraith gust]

Hey, you can always pass your hack to a team to finish it for you /j

Honestly, don't pay much attention to that, it's better that you take your time with the hack and polish all your code than rushing it

[stoic lava]

^

If newer ds wanst rushed it would be better

[fossil token]

newer ds wasnt rushed though

[stoic lava]

Imo it was

[fossil token]

skawo has said that it wasnt

and it got delayed for over a year lol

[stoic lava]

I see

[fossil token]

anyways I set up the ball actor profile and model drawing, ill code it tmr i guess

[stoic lava]

So i think i just preffer newer smh

[wraith gust]

You only say that because nld said it JPEG

[fossil token]

The last phase of development was rushed, aka the final boss and stuff iirc

[stoic lava]

I never liked newer ds, just newer wii

[quaint gorge]

Can't wait to see how this level turns out

probably a lot of spikes you can get pushed towards to by thoz ballz

[fossil token]

so what im thinking is that I make three sizes of balls

small normal and large

then I give them a lot of diffrent movement options

[fossil token]

yup thats what im doing

also with rising lava just for fun

hopefully thats a fair collider

other random thing, should I bother with a top sensor?

that should be good for the sensors

[fossil token]

had to do a normal collider as for some reason damagePlayer(ActiveCollider& self, Player& player)does not work with round ones

[fickle tapir]

so make it just bounce mari instead of damaging

[fossil token]

thats what it does?

unless you get hit from below

I couldnt reuse the damage player state which handles stomping enemys

[fickle tapir]

oh

i just read "damagePlayer" and automatically jumped to that 😭

[fossil token]

I dont know how tomake the balls damage the player without adding another active collider at the bottom

and I dont wanna do that so rip balls damaging the player

[quaint gorge]

Nah why would the ballz damage the player?

[civic cloud]

To reference SMB3

The idea was an in-between where it only damages players if it stomps on them from above

[fossil token]

this tile set is such a pain

[vernal thicket]

for the walls have you considered making a tile object like this

[ocean pivot]

minecraft brick texture

[vernal thicket]

ah gotcha

[fossil token]

A lot of those junk tiles are there since its built of my snow tower

I also want to make some renders of lemmy to switch out the jr block and jr statues at some point

[fossil token]

this is how its going

big balls have weird feeling hit boxes, I might shrink them a bit

[lapis lark]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rock-mp4-transparent-color-gif-11114772717737196968

[civic cloud]

It's 5:30AM, so I became dyslexic and read "my big balls shrink" 😭😭😭

I like NSMB's violent shove mechanic they use for Bowser, I wish it was used for all bouncy stuff and not just Bowser's collision, balls barely push you in NSMBW

[fossil token]

yeah I hate it, they are no threat on the snake block lol

I wanted it to be really violent to shove the player into spikes

it makes up for the bottom not damaging you

[civic cloud]

Fr

Same problem in SMM2, snowballs are much better at pushing

[olive owl]

It’s also used in MvsL

When the players literally run into eachother

[civic cloud]

Oh yeah true

[fossil token]

I want to work on lemmys tower before school starts but I got math methods homework to do

[fossil token]

I love when people dont understand what a hard hack is lol

lol

[modest quiver]

How can you suck this much ?😡😡😡

[fossil token]

wanted to have these spikes that go down onto the player in this bonus room but it didnt work out well

[fathom kraken]

Do the balls not collide well with the moving spikes?

[fossil token]

this part of the level is so evil lol

[stoic lava]

Nah its not

[fossil token]

https://youtube.com/shorts/6tkivDNhWjc?feature=share bonus room

its so rare that I make these lol

[stoic lava]

Big balls? 🤨

[lapis lark]

🟡🟡

[stoic lava]

💀

[wide furnace]

i particularly dislike that kind of jokes tbh

[quaint gorge]

I dropped them after doing it twice

anyway bonus room is great

[wide furnace]

the bonus room looks kinda empty imo
-# me and overdecoration #4

[fossil token]

the rest of the level is overdecorated lol

I just dont have background tiles with spikes on top of them

[wraith gust]

You really love making ball jokes uh?

[wraith gust]

I mean, there's not much decoration you can add in an area with P-Switch coins

And the bonus room looks fine imo

[fossil token]

Im only still doing them because the community posts with them get a lot of likes, and that video name isnt even ment to be a joke, its just straight to the point of the bonus room

[wide furnace]

fair enough

[ocean pivot]

ohh, i really like this idea of having harder version of it

[sullen plinth]

Question, do you plan to have Larry rest for the alternate fight? Like, I remember some idea like that but not sure if you still plan that. I think it would be great if the player had the option to leave him alone and complete the level without fighting him for third type of alternate route in the level but maybe I'm just saying that because I don't like the idea of fighting Larry, since he is a child and he must be protected all things considered about his characterization and lore.

[fossil token]

Yeah, I plan on having Larry resting on the A side secret exit route and the harder Larry on the B side

[sullen plinth]

I'd go for A side secret exit route when playing, heheh.

I wonder if Larry should have a custom animation based on his resting pose in Paper Mario Color Splash to better convey that he's resting. I also wonder how to convey that's what he'd rather do without dialogue, heheh.

[wide furnace]

"it's too hard for kids" 😭

[fossil token]

same, I honestly can not be bothered to make another animation so im probably gonna just have him in his shell or on one of his knocked down animation frames or smth

[fossil token]

dang I have made quite a bit of level in like three days

thats unusual for a tower level for me

[fossil token]

here u go

if any of you want a sneak peak of lemmys tower

[fossil token]

I really need to redo all of these models with proper weight painting

[clear adder]

wow, you can't even compare this hack to Newer, this is next generation! Awesome work. I can't wait to play this.

Its all because of the new asm template right?

[fossil token]

Mostly

[wraith gust]

I really feel like that farting sound doesn't really fit Lemmy's balls, the trampoline sound would probably be more fitting

[tepid temple]

Nice but the balls having permanent backspin kind of annoys me lol

[stoic lava]

Yea lol

[fickle tapir]

lemmy probably has terrible back pain 😭

[quaint gorge]

Where is the demo?

ok found it, maybe people should pin their demos in the channel

[wraith gust]

We always do, I dunno why nobody pinned this one

[lapis lark]

bald wario looks horrific 😭

i wonder how mega mario interacts with lemmys balls

[lapis lark]

you read that right
i wanna see him step on lemmys balls

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-rider-gif-3939555035561682137

[fossil token]

It’s a place holder

I plan on doing a custom one eventually

[karmic crest]

We got wario in nsmb ds before GTA 6 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥

[fickle tapir]

that meme died so long ago 😭

[fossil token]

I never understood why people care about koopaling placements so much tbh

[fickle tapir]

because of the meta

[fossil token]

They are not really demos tbh

They are more just who wants to hunt for bugs in the one level provided in this patch

[analog oracle]

illy making everyone public playtesters

[fickle tapir]

i can test on obscure emulators/devices

[fossil token]

Yeah lmao

I honestly don’t want to keep much secret

I just want to make the best hack possible

[stoic lava]

And it already is

[fossil token]

It’s currently the worst

[stoic lava]

Its not

[fickle tapir]

no that dishonor goes to dsun rn

[stoic lava]

Nah thats ssmb levels

All bullshiy

Buldhiy

Nullshit*

Uxk

[fickle tapir]

😭 wtf

[stoic lava]

AAAAA

[fickle tapir]

how did you get uxk

[stoic lava]

I was gonna say fuck

[lapis lark]

🧢

[fossil token]

lol

pog just stands for player/play of the game

[stoic lava]

"It have a meme?!?@??! noooo its ruineed"

Yea

[lapis lark]

it doesnt have to feel like an official nintendo product to be good

[analog oracle]

imagine people criticize level design based on if it’s something Nintendo would do or not 😭

[wide furnace]

reminds me of how 1-Castle in TRQ has a normal face difficulty in a wall lol

[stoic lava]

Lobotomy aka fayah em dah rol

[ocean pivot]

i think bro haven't seen smw hacks

[analog oracle]

what’s wrong with smw hacks regarding that 😭

I actually haven’t played any smw hacks tho

maybe one day I’ll try some out

[wide furnace]

well honestly about level design specifically it could be a good way of seeing things

in some cases

[wraith gust]

Wait until blud plays an SM64 hack

Many SM64 hacks include a shitton of memes or references to memes

[fickle tapir]

this hack is so god damn pog

[fossil token]

working on some munchers frames for animated tile testing

I cant sleep lol because I got my first sac of the year tmr and its a really hard one so I may as well

[fickle tapir]

is that an exam or sm

[fossil token]

School-Assessed Coursework

I have my unit 1-2 vce subject exams in june and november

then I have the exams for my two 3-4 subjects in october

[fickle tapir]

why are units nearly 3 months 😭

[stoic lava]

Bro some sm64 hacks i played are pure shitpost or have memes on it (sm64 land have some memes in a level, and b3313 you cant stop finding "fuck" or shitposts outside the maps)

[fossil token]

thats not how it works, there are a shit tone of topics in one unit

and a unit goes for five months

[fickle tapir]

o

[fickle tapir]

sent a shitpost in dms

[rich palm]

It WHAT?

It was an acronym this whole time?

Also the pog made me audibly laugh when I first saw it-

[fossil token]

ima leave the muncher frames there for now

I think ima try to sleep and then do the ncg and code tmr morning

[stoic lava]

Cute

[fossil token]

I might also give a jyotyu palette switch code a try again since I learned more about oam

[analog oracle]

illy about to destroy nsmb hacking with oam

[stoic lava]

And i destroyed it with vram

[fossil token]

It’s nothing new lol

[fossil token]

I still don’t know how u did that considering how many things I have globally loaded in levels in new++

[stoic lava]

I have the vram killing super power

[wraith gust]

Could possibly be because JPG loves flooding his hack with models

[stoic lava]

Nah illy hack have more stuff than mine

[wraith gust]

Are you sure about that JPEG............................

[stoic lava]

Yes..... negative celestial body powder

[fossil token]

I have a lot more stuff

jpg's hack is incredibly unoptimized

[analog oracle]

the only time I killed vram is when I loaded 8 models that take up 25kb

[wide furnace]

the only time i killed vram was importing a model made by jpg64

(to be fair they fixed it afterwards)

[wraith gust]

Never trust JPEG models /j

[stoic lava]

Its not that its because when i made his map

I didn't knew how to optimize it

Same for most models i did for other people hack's

After time i learned how to make smaller textures and how to optmize them

Liike

Before i used a 64x64 for grass

Now i use 16x16 (32x32 sometimes, rarelly) + uvmaps

Uva-passa helped me so much

Uva-passa*

Uva-passa**

AAAAAA HOLY SHIT I HATE AUTOCORRECTOR

Uvmaps*

[wide furnace]

lmfao 😭

i think textures are not the only thing you should optimize tho

[stoic lava]

Yea

Polygon count too

My new map have smth next to 400 polygons

On w1

[wide furnace]

yea i was trying to find the right word

[stoic lava]

Actually 457 for be more excat

Exact*

[fossil token]

I forgot that dark colours lose all of their quality

[fickle tapir]

nsmbeism

[fossil token]

I thing I made a mistake with the code somewhere

[analog oracle]

use nitropaint 😭

[fossil token]

looks like animated tiles wont be a thing

int frame = 1;
u16* charPtr = NULL;
u16* animationFile = NULL;

int *tileset1ID = (int*)(0x020CACBC);

void copy8Tile(int dn, int sn)
{
    u16* destPtr = charPtr + dn * (8 * 8 / 2) + (256 * 48 / 2);
    u16* srcPtr = animationFile + sn * (8 * 8 / 2);
    
    for(int i = 0; i < 8*8/2; i++)
        destPtr[i] = srcPtr[i];
}

void copyTile(int dx, int dy, int sx, int sy)
{
    sy += sx / 4;
    sx %= 4;
    copy8Tile(dx*2 + dy*64, sx*2+sy*32);
    copy8Tile(dx*2+1 + dy*64, sx*2+1+sy*32);
    copy8Tile(dx*2 + dy*64+32, sx*2+sy*16+8);
    copy8Tile(dx*2+1 + dy*64+32, sx*2+1+sy*16+8);
}

ncp_call(0x020b8370, 0)
void tileSetAnmCrap()
{
    
    frame++;
    if(frame == 4*6) frame = 0;
    
    charPtr = rcast<u16*>(G2_GetBG2CharPtr());
    if (*tileset1ID == 0) copyTile(0, 0, frame%4, 0);
}


ncp_call(0x020AE318, 0)
void tileSetAnmCrap2()
{
    animationFile = rcast<u16*>(FS::Cache::loadData(13312));
    FS::loadExtFile(349 - 131, animationFile); 
}``` I was trying to port the existing code on nsmbhd

[analog oracle]

nooo 😭

[analog oracle]

(outta curiosity why)

[stoic lava]

NOOOOOOO 😭

[lapis lark]

🪦

[quaint gorge]

Keep it up, so I can steal it for my tilesets

[tall umbra]

[fossil token]

I think im going to start work on remaking this stage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqKi7_U82e0

this stage is 1-a btw

[lapis lark]

looking forward to seeing what you come up with for this 🔥

[fossil token]

progress on the tile set

[stoic lava]

I like this grassland u made ngl

It captured the nsmbds essence (all your tilesets did tho)

I like those tilesets that mix the fortress with the world theme

[fossil token]

its a desert and beach tile set hybrid lol

[stoic lava]

I know

[fossil token]

dang I got a lot of extra space

ima try and cram the background rocks into here

[wraith gust]

If you still have space after that you could try adding hanging vines in the castle tiles

Also, I sorta feel those details like spikes could be added in the jyotyu and/or subnohara so you don't have to add them in tilesets

[fossil token]

thats a good point, I dont have a vine graphics though and I cant be stuffed drawing one

also, its a forrest, not a jungle so I dont really need vines

[wraith gust]

You could grab the vines from the vanilla forest tileset and recolor them to match the grass

But yeah fair

I just thought vines could be a nice aestethic detail

[fossil token]

i might ggive it a try

[stoic lava]

Yea it will be a cool detail ngl

[fossil token]

yeah maybe actauly

[stoic lava]

I always loved the aesthetic from those

[fossil token]

maybe just some small ones though

[stoic lava]

Yea

So it fits

[fossil token]

nah doesnt work

I feel that the vine is to intwined into the dirt

[stoic lava]

Looks good imo

[fossil token]

and it raps on the dirt pattern

which doesnt work on the castle tile sets

[stoic lava]

You can try deforming it to follow the castle brick tiles

Idk if that would be hard

[fossil token]

yeah nothing I try is working

[stoic lava]

Hey that looks good

[fickle tapir]

could i use that old tileset

for my temple ruins stage

[stoic lava]

Its on public resources

(I checked dms)

[fickle tapir]

i didnt ask

there wasnt new dms but ty

[stoic lava]

It was the ones u send earlier, i got notified just now 💀

[fickle tapir]

ah

[stoic lava]

At least it notified

[fickle tapir]

also where in public resources

[stoic lava]

Search "tileset" on public resources

You will find some tilesets i did, ztar and other people did, and ofc, illy's one

[fickle tapir]

https://discord.com/channels/399424476259024897/1220298639075835987 thx

do i replace tileset 1

[stoic lava]

Any tileset u want to replace actually

[fossil token]

It does not look good at all

[analog oracle]

i think maybe add a bit more shadow, I still like it tbh

[fossil token]

i might try using this

[fickle tapir]

strongly suggest

[fossil token]

nah, i dont really like it

[fickle tapir]

maybe darken it and keep it as a deco tile

[analog oracle]

what if u try adding moss in the tiles

[fossil token]

well this is the current progress

still got a lot more to do

[fossil token]

I messed up the normal grass slopes lol

cut the 4x1 because they look ass due to how i fucked them

[wraith gust]

I don't even know why you would want 4x1 slopes in the first place, I personally never use them

[lapis lark]

thinking about slopes made me think about cheese

im hungry now

[fossil token]

nsmb2 has 8x1 slopes lol

[fossil token]

and because I use them a lot

[stoic lava]

What 8x1

[wraith gust]

8

[stoic lava]

Its like the 2x1 (actually 1x2) sloope but bigger

?

[wraith gust]

Hahahahaha, very funny, I'm laughing asf 🤣

[stoic lava]

LMFAO

[fossil token]

I didnt

i have the parts in the tile set

i jus forgot lol

[vernal thicket]

8 tile wide 1 tile high slope

[stoic lava]

I always do this

[vernal thicket]

so slopes that are twice as wide as 4x1 slopes

[analog oracle]

that looks like the most useless tile waste in history

[fossil token]

I love spending my school lunch break on the map 16 tab

[wraith gust]

Who needs hanging out with friends, having a boyfriend/girlfriend or being productive when you can spend beautiful times with map 16?

[fickle tapir]

for some reason i thought it was funny you were talking about school lunch breaks at 8pm for me

[fossil token]

i was with my girlfriend a few days ago and shes not at school today so who cares :3

[fossil token]

who wants to do the tile behaviors for me

[fickle tapir]

im free

ill do it

[lapis lark]

https://tenor.com/view/tesla-and-einstein-luma-ai-gif-14475294631445060178

[fossil token]

started remaking the level

i think ima extened it a lil and add another bonus room or two in it

[fossil token]

yeah I am packing quite a lot extra into this level

[fossil token]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKvbfeD1MO0

[civic cloud]

Nice

Just a type in the title

You wrote explorers instead of explores

[fossil token]

LOL

gd moment

I was rewatching the trailier for 2.2 that had that level like 20min before I uploaded it

[wide furnace]

i thought about it too 😭

i think i had a hyperfixation on Explorers at some point, even before the sneak peek was released

[civic cloud]

LMAO ironically I had my own typo here, and even more ironically, it's the word typo that had a typo, damn you autocorrect 😭😭😭

I was gonna brag about how I always spot them, but not this time I guess

Tbf I had literally just woken up

[arctic cave]

So what type of rom does this hack support because I’ve been trying to play the demo but it keeps telling me the rom is a secondary decomposer and I’m not sure what to do

[quaint gorge]

Did you patch it?

You have to turn .xdelta patch into a .nds rom

[arctic cave]

Yes I am trying to use a rom patcher but I can’t find the right nsmb rom or game to patch it

[quaint gorge]

You need the original nsmb (usa version)

https://www.romhacking.net/utilities/598/

and this patcher

[fossil token]

Making moneys

I should get payed in like 30 days or smth

[lapis lark]

W

[fickle tapir]

5$

Nice!

[stoic lava]

I saw u said the parashell now have ligthning, howsit looks

U showcased a bit on the video but i didn't noticed a lot

[arctic cave]

Tysm, it worked

[quaint gorge]

Enjoy the game

[fossil token]

enjoy the one level lol

[quaint gorge]

What?

It's just a single level?

[fossil token]

The first patch had two levels and the second one has one

They are more

Who wants to test these bosses

[quaint gorge]

I was looking forward to it but might aswell delete it

not worth playing it, I will wait for the proper demo or full release then

[fossil token]

I plan on releasing a proper demo when I fix the custom player code

The player body models swap code does not work on real hardware

[quaint gorge]

I see, weird

[stoic lava]

What if you do for each character have a different rom for it? A rom for mario/luigi, yoshi color/another yoshi color, wario/walluigi

[analog oracle]

honestly

he has a point....

[olive owl]

JPG go to bed

[quaint gorge]

[wraith gust]

Ban JPG

Now

[wide furnace]

ban "ban" jokes now

[lapis lark]

ban banning "ban" jokes now

[bronze shell]

banned fo suggesting that

[polar fjord]

new++

[fossil token]

I think im going to rewrite fly guys as a custom actor when I finish retiling this level

and maybe also shyguys

[fossil token]

Dang

[lapis lark]

congratulations 🎊

[fossil token]

nearly finished but I can not be fucked retiling the rest of this level

[wraith gust]

Retiling? I thought you were remaking the level from scratch

[fossil token]

oh I am

im just basing it off the old one

so I sometimes drag over segments and retile them and or make new ones

[wraith gust]

I see

I honestly don't know what's more painful, retiling a level or redoing it from scratch

Probably retiling

[fossil token]

the bits underlined in red are things I kept but retiled

the rest is completely remade

[fathom kraken]

I hope this level releases on a demo

[clear adder]

How far is this hack / how many levels are done?
Do you know a month when you want to release this masterpiece?

[wide furnace]

a month? 😭

we would be lucky if we get a year release date

(same for my hack 😭)

[fathom kraken]

What one?

[wide furnace]

TRQ

(The Rainbow Quest, formerly known as The Lost Sequel)

[wraith gust]

https://discord.com/channels/399424476259024897/1208478549380431872

[fathom kraken]

Ah yes, I'm stupid

[fossil token]

2026-2027 if your lucky

[arctic cave]

Just by seeing the progress I can tell this hack will be my all time favorite

[polar fjord]

[fossil token]

cursed ending to a level

[fathom kraken]

Will you put something in there?

[fossil token]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXOrZjkbR58

level is done

I love this thumbnail lol

[fathom kraken]

Yay new video

[fathom kraken]

Why does the flagpole bug?

[fossil token]

I made the pole one block to short

[lapis lark]

front facing snailicorn ♥︎

[fathom kraken]

Ah

[wide furnace]

nice level!! i like the theme and music, and overall it seems pretty fun

however i have 2 issues/complaints with it:

• probably a bug, but after the switch music, the wrong music restarts playing (i'm guessing that you're gonna fix it)
• i really don't like the last part actually. the last few jumps (donut blocks + very small gaps) seems very difficult, and also unforgiving. especially at the end of a level where the player would probably hate (and in world 1, even tho i know your hack is difficult, it still is a lot more difficult than the rest of the level). it also seems impossible without either damage boosting or very precise jump

[lapis lark]

i agree

[fossil token]

Yeah, I think I need to remove that final snailicorn

The. It will be fine

And maybe add a few more blocks to get speed before you slideUnder the ledge

[wide furnace]

oh okay then. that could work

[arctic cave]

Basically every time I play a rom hack with different power ups

One time I wanted the ice flower and when I booted up the game I went to get a power up but my entire game froze and a weird fuzzy glitch appeared in the background

[wraith gust]

Peak level and awesome design

[stoic lava]

Ssmb demo (and i bet n++ also is like that because it use a similar powerup system to ssmb) it dont happen

[arctic cave]

Ok

[wraith gust]

The only problems I think you should fix and that had already been mentioned is the wrong music playing after the and the flagpole height

Also, I don't really have a problem with the last part, but considering the overall level difficulty, the last part is a bit hard, and it could even be frustrating dying there and having to repeat the entire level, maybe you could reuse that part for a B side level

[quaint gorge]

Epic save near the end

[wraith gust]

Yeah, I thought she was gonna die at the end, lmao

[civic cloud]

Same

[fossil token]

Yeah due to yoshis being op

Well I want to start working on another level but I don’t know which one

I also don’t have the motivation to code the lemmy fight so I don’t feel like finishing off lemmys tower

[fossil token]

I kinda want to work on the lemmy fight now…

[fickle tapir]

and waluigi wont be? 😭

[lapis lark]

did you just use reverse psychology on yourself?

[fossil token]

I kinda also want to make ice bros just for fun...

[lapis lark]

does this mean an ice flower too?

[fossil token]

nope

[lapis lark]

im fine with that tbh

we're already getting the superball which looks super fun to mess around with

[wide furnace]

i thought you meant the ice mario bros

[fossil token]

fire bros share the model drawing code with hammer bros

I thought they had diffrent shell colours and diffrent models

might be easier to use bomberang bros instead

[fickle tapir]

why not just retexture fire bros

and give them that freeze effect from the old ice flower hack

[fossil token]

then that would be removing the fire bros

which i dont want to do

[stoic lava]

Add a retexture code maybe?

[fossil token]

what do you think this message implies?

[stoic lava]

Idk

Im dumb

[wraith gust]

It's basically the same than cheep cheeps, they all use the same model and use different palette offsets for their shell colors

[stoic lava]

Ohhh

[fickle tapir]

just duplicate it onto another unused sprite

(if that even is possible which im very confident it isnt lmao)

[stoic lava]

Im not a programmer but i think its not that easy to duplicata sprites, i think its not evem possible

[fickle tapir]

even* and yea i figured

[analog oracle]

you would prob have to rewrite the whole sprite as a cpp i think

[fickle tapir]

is this where gpt comes in clutch

(spoiler: no)

[stoic lava]

Idk but im 100% sure gpt dont work for nsmb code hacking

[wide furnace]

since when do cheep cheeps have shells?

[wraith gust]

I was talking about the hammer bros

[stoic lava]

LFAO

LFAO

I DIDN'T SAW THAT

LMFAO***

[wide furnace]

oh ok lol

[fossil token]

Ahh the shells of hammer and figure bros different colours?

They look the same

If they are though that’s great

[stoic lava]

They have 3 rows of colors

Green red blue

[fossil token]

Alright

So I can just find the offset and change it

yeah I see, so I should be able to do the remodel easily

[fossil token]

I can not find the code that offsets the palattes

i might end up swaping out the model all together for the custom bros

unless this is it?

shadow bros

[fickle tapir]

reminds me of cosmic mario

[stoic lava]

Cosmic bros

[analog oracle]

dark matter bros

[fickle tapir]

lowk

cosmic mario would be cool

[lapis lark]

mario attacked by a group of... dark men

[fickle tapir]

for b side levels

[ocean pivot]

i feel like i seen somewhere someone made a cosmic mario type of thing in nsmb series?

maybe my memory is weird

[fickle tapir]

yea someone did

[ocean pivot]

i hope someone makes it in nsmbDS if it's possible

[fickle tapir]

but it was in the dreaded code hellhole

[lapis lark]

got a link to this?

[fickle tapir]

its on youtube

[fossil token]

they all through hammers now lol

[olive owl]

Top down level lmao

[wraith gust]

The hammer bros look like they're doing breakdance

[fickle tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-dancing-spinning-mario-break-dancing-super-mario-gif-5487197

[analog oracle]

wonder effect 😵‍💫

[quaint gorge]

Actually, this could be done if you're good with asm hacking

Changing onCreate slightly by checking if a certain nybble is set in settings and then rotating the model

but only actor where it would work

Bros won't because they throw stuff affected by gravity, so they fall down, except for boomerang bro

snailicorns etc.

[ocean pivot]

tbh if i could i would make a april fools hack that would have top-down movement and it's model would be just plain texture and changes after clicking certain button (looking top, bot etc.) , could be kinda fun lol

just a random thing a imagined like 2 weeks ago

[fossil token]

I really wanted to work on this hack today but I just havent been able to due to life stuff

[fossil token]

decided ima try and make a level

drew these shity tracks in the tile set editor of one of the castle tile sets

shit I didnt offset the up tracks by four pixels

[fossil token]

finally finished these tracks

they took me 50 min to set up

[fossil token]

Random question, should I make koopas turn into try bones when they hit fire from a burner?

[lapis lark]

i think that would be really cool

[fossil token]

level progress

[civic cloud]

I have another idea specifically for harder levels, Koopas turn into Dry Bones when hit by a fireball from the fire flower

[wide furnace]

that wouldn't really make sense though

[rich palm]

Flopside moment

[stoic lava]

FRR

I love super paper mario

[civic cloud]

It's more or less the same thing as burners tho

[wide furnace]

not really.

• in the vanilla games (including mario maker), koopas are immune to burners. so changing that could be a nice addition
• however, koopas being killed by fireballs is a core mechanic from almost every single mainline mario game (every mario game with the fire flower), so changing that would be weird

[wraith gust]

Not to mention that Koopas turning into Dry Bones with burners makes more sense since burners are more lethal than fireballs

[stoic lava]

Yea

[wide furnace]

wouldn't that mean that burners are more dangerous and thus do more damage?

[tall umbra]

When it touch lava it turns into dry bones

[wraith gust]

That's exactly what I meant

[analog oracle]

the way i see it is the burner directly burns the koopa's skin and turns em into bones
the fire flower is just a strong blast killing the koopa without really turning it into a dry bones

[fickle tapir]

how about burners do nothing and lava kills koopas

[fossil token]

Yeah that’s what I thought

It also gives me an idea for a star coin where u need to be fast so you can use a koopa shell

Like newers last station

[civic cloud]

I thought firebars and burners ignoring Koopas is like how Mario's fireballs won't hurt Luigi

Koopas set up the obstacle against Mario, not them

Lava on the other hand is completely unavoidable if you fall in it

[polar fjord]

[civic cloud]

Which is why what Newer did makes sense

[fossil token]

They do hurt Luigi in ds I thought?

In mvsl

[olive owl]

Can confirm Luigi takes knockback from Mario fire ball

Granted you don't lose a powerup, maybe that's what they mean?

[fossil token]

Yeah that’s what I meant

[fossil token]

Honestly it doesn’t really matter much, it will just be a cool gimmick

[wide furnace]

then isn't straight up killing and making disappear more brutal than turning into a skeleton

tho you could probably consider that the koopa just falls down the level and doesn't really "disappear"

[tepid temple]

why are you so against it 😭

it's a cool idea

[quaint gorge]

Not a cool idea tbh

Just a waste of time

Just place the dry bones right away smh

Jokes aside, newer did, effect looked kinda cool but is it really worth the code

[fossil token]

It’s only like two lines of code lol

[civic cloud]

Yeah, I meant in storymode multiplayer where the bros aren't actively aiming each other

[quaint gorge]

Then I take back what I said

[wide furnace]

i'm not against it i'm just saying that what Ztardust said didn't make much sense to me 😭

[wraith gust]

Who would have imagined that all this Dry Bone burner thing would cause an entire debate

[quaint gorge]

Never take will smith serious anyway

He just wanted to keep it going

[fossil token]

Dang why are koopa getting turned into dry bones such a debate lmao

[wide furnace]

no i was confused as to why turning a koopa into a dry bone was considered "more lethal" than completely killing it

[quaint gorge]

Guys chill out, to end this discussion let's turn dry bones into koopas if they eat a mushroom

[fickle tapir]

[quaint gorge]

Who's with me?

[fickle tapir]

not me

they become bigger

[quaint gorge]

No

Big Mario is default

When taking damage new form: small

When mushroom eaten -> return to original form

[fickle tapir]

dry bones

[quaint gorge]

so a dry bones would have to turn back to koopa

[fickle tapir]

smm2

[quaint gorge]

its original form

[fossil token]

Fine, should I add another 10 koopa colours

[fickle tapir]

yes /j

[fossil token]

I honestly think that could be doable

[fickle tapir]

like ice bros?

[fossil token]

Just load another palette lol

[fossil token]

Those are not doable tbh

[fickle tapir]

sacrafice the fire bro

hes not a chill guy

[quaint gorge]

cringe, skill issue

[fickle tapir]

ice would be harder fym 😭

[quaint gorge]

Just create Ice bro bruh

custom typedef void createIceBro(Vec3 position);

[fickle tapir]

or the very reliable chatgpt

(do not take that seriously lmao)

[quaint gorge]

(Take it seriously, trust me)

[fossil token]

Yeah I wanted to reuse the normal bros though

They are ass

[quaint gorge]

In such cases I duplicate the model, give it another color

and simply use that

and try to copy the original one as much as possible (and maybe actually improve it)

Bros don't seem that hard to replicate

[fossil token]

Yeah

[civic cloud]

Tbf I was holding back

🤣🤣🤣

I can actually explain why from a lore perspective, what Newer did shouldn't really happen (even tho it's really cool)

[fossil token]

temp w9 icon

[fickle tapir]

finally

the 8 is gone

😭

[fossil token]

and I messed the position up

atleast I dont need to hex edit the position

there we go

[fickle tapir]

the path

are you adding a line going from w8 to 3d world

[fossil token]

?

what do you mean "3d world"

[fickle tapir]

wcastle

from 3d world

idk was the first thing i thought of when i remembered castle world

but are you adding a line here

or is it gonna be like nsmb2

[fossil token]

just saving this here as future me needs it for some B side related stuff

its also related to allowing multiple checkpoints

progress on w9

I think this is one of the most annoying functions I have rewrote due to the bnbl stuff

[clear adder]

Awesome!

[stoic lava]

Interesting number, i see

[ocean pivot]

how do i need to break this?

i still did not add any reaction

trollslideshow

[fossil token]

Put it back to the magic number

Aka the number me and my partner love

[wraith gust]

Illy, go to sleep

[fossil token]

I can’t I’m really sick

[ocean pivot]

i love too, but with myself

[fossil token]

Been coughing up mucus for the past seven hours and have been like this for the past two days

[wraith gust]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-prowler-goku-goku-mad-goku-dbs-dbs-gif-11120329515669448575

[wraith gust]

Hope you feel better soon

[stoic lava]

420 or 69?!?!?!??!?!

[fossil token]

This guy jump scared me so I’m wide awake now

[ocean pivot]

typical day in australia

[fossil token]

At least it wasn’t another whitetail lol

[wraith gust]

If I saw something like this I would sell him my house

[stoic lava]

Thanks illy now im paranoic and looking at all sides because im scared

[stoic lava]

I would give him the house and burn it down

[ocean pivot]

Please do not look under your closet, i might be in there

[lapis lark]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-explode-gif-25528415

[stoic lava]

(Replying to journer)
STOP 😭

(Replyong to eorbs)
~~ She's not wrong tho thats the best number ever ~~

[ocean pivot]

we can try ourselfs to be sure of that

[fossil token]

please don’t drink the two bottles of cough medicine I have there

I need to take them responsibly for once/j

[wraith gust]

JPG, Illy and Jouner, go to bed y'all smh

[stoic lava]

LMAO 😭

LMAO 😭

[lapis lark]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-we-used-to-kill-people-with-hammers-for-saying-things-like-that-kill-people-with-hammers-hammers-gif-28854509168023063

[stoic lava]

2 times 💀

[ocean pivot]

bro, im literally bedrotting for past 4 months

more

[fossil token]

Okay we should stop here

[stoic lava]

Im on the bed rn btw

[fossil token]

The chats getting a lil bit nsfw

[wraith gust]

https://tenor.com/view/mita-miside-cappie-kepochka-bonk-gif-8844140136767655383

[fossil token]

To my standards this is still sfw me and my coworkers talk like this all the time but to others it isn’t

[stoic lava]

Poor cappie 😭

[ocean pivot]

this is literally my type of humor

[fossil token]

https://tenor.com/view/the-silly-disease-omori-gif-27265089

[ocean pivot]

irl i say this kind of thing every 5 seconds, im tired of this myself sometimes lmao

[wraith gust]

I have a really dark and cancel-able humor that I don't show here for obvious reasons

[ocean pivot]

-# * gives you autism *

[stoic lava]

That was literally the most sfw thing i already talked, me and bro on a server have some jokes that would make peole get traumas

[stoic lava]

Same

[fossil token]

Already have it silly

[stoic lava]

I also do

[ocean pivot]

bro same

[stoic lava]

Give it to ztar

[fossil token]

The funny thing is that I am literally not joking about anything I have said here

[lapis lark]

if i used my real humour i would be banned

[wraith gust]

Ok, enough please

[stoic lava]

Yea

[ocean pivot]

if i say a joke it's 80% chance that it's true, especially if it's related to me

[stoic lava]

This is running off the rails already

[wraith gust]

This is all JPG's fault, I say we ban him and send him to mod vanilla NSMB with zero code hacks and DS-Styled graphics

[stoic lava]

Ztar u already played that sm64 mod with a gun?

[fossil token]

Here is some random new++ related images or it to break this up

[ocean pivot]

bro described my hack in the future

[stoic lava]

Bird and miku

[ocean pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/mik-hats-fortn-miku-hatsune-gridd-gif-13742704956634738131

new ++ character leak ^

[fossil token]

It’s a bird with a broken wing, that’s why she isn’t with my other ones

[wraith gust]

Illy, add Miku to New++ please 🥺

[stoic lava]

I love birds ngl

[stoic lava]

Yea

[wraith gust]

Ye it's funny

[fossil token]

Miku is currently living on Tiago’s desktop with teto

I don’t think they want to move

[stoic lava]

Add cappie too

[wraith gust]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-at-you-hired-mita-miside-stare-gif-13033948160865150232

[stoic lava]

LMAO

[fossil token]

Did you steal that from me to?

Or did u just find it

https://tenor.com/view/stare-at-you-hired-mita-miside-stare-gif-13033948160865150232

[wraith gust]

Nope, it's one of the first gifs that appear when you search "Mita" lmao

[fossil token]

Ahh lol because I have it saved

[stoic lava]

https://tenor.com/view/mita-miside-cappie-kepochka-bonk-gif-8844140136767655383

[lapis lark]

new++ super mario bros speedrunners in the b side category when they get to black bowser jr

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-player456-i-am-screwed-seong-gi-hun-vipin-ayilam-gif-23563178

[stoic lava]

"Im fucked"

[fossil token]

B side stuff

Wait until they get to the b side stuff planned for w

Also that b side jr chase got way easier with the hammer suit lol

You can just shred through the bricks blocking the path

[wraith gust]

Illy proceeds to turn her hack into an extreme kaizo

[stoic lava]

Ill try the last ssmb special world level the hardest non kaizo nsmb level

And maybe the most unfair one too

[fossil token]

That’s literally the b sides

They are literally borderline kiazo half the time

[wraith gust]

Juicy

[stoic lava]

It will have no item boxes, no checkpointd, and the player will start the level as small mario, one hit = death

And the level will have 6 sections, one reasembling each world

Each section will be 6/7 minutes long

[fossil token]

https://tenor.com/view/celeste-madeline-summit-celeste-transgender-spin-gif-27382276

[lapis lark]

new++ but you have to take a shot every time you die

[fossil token]

Sent the Celeste gif because c7 is literally that plus the final 30 checkpoints

[stoic lava]

Yea lol

[analog oracle]

cpp smb

cpp meaning celesteplusplus

[stoic lava]

I thought it was c plus plus

[clear adder]

going to stop this

[fossil token]

this shit is so much work, I have no clue on how to tackle the world path and node structure stuff