New++ Super Mario Bros

[stoic lava]

Yeah

No wait

Its friday

"Yeah" :sob_skull:

Ops i thought we are in general

Lets move to general or lounge

[fossil token]

when are the New++SMB no virus para Android MediaFire files going to come?

I would of done nsmbwii like yoshi's but ehh this is less work

[wraith gust]

LMFAOO

[wraith gust]

Yeah, I imagine, adding new characters already seems like a pain, lol

[fossil token]

I still got to do all the sound related stuff and ui crap

[wraith gust]

I guess you could rip the icons from SM64DS, or maybe use some icons from the Mario Kart or Mario Party series

[fossil token]

I just need placeholders

I plan on making custom graphics for all of the ui

[wide furnace]

how do you plan on making something yesterday?

or did you plan yesterday?

[fossil token]

mobile was being glitchy and adding words

[wide furnace]

oh ok

[fossil token]

Now I have people saying to add this character and add that character and x and y should work like this not like that

Side effects of showing something big

[wraith gust]

Just ignore them, they think it's that easy

[stoic lava]

True

[wide furnace]

please add mario and luigi into the hack

[serene pivot]

I thought this game had long jumping💀

[fossil token]

I wonder what the armature if Mario party ds models is like

[fossil token]

It does

[serene pivot]

Wow where can I download

[serene pivot]

I came across one of your videos and saw that wasnt really sure lol and thanks

[fossil token]

The game isn’t out yet

[serene pivot]

Ok

[stoic lava]

Probably not much diferent i think

Thanks for the idea now i want to test it, yoshi model on mpds is really better

Let me legally dump my rom here

[wide furnace]

pretty sure they're lower-poly

[fossil token]

I want a waluigi model for reasons as well as a toad model

[stoic lava]

More reasons for adding it

My hack is super overpoligonaizeivozv idk what so low polly model is fire

[wraith gust]

You could prbably grab the Toad model from Adventure SMB/ New Super Toad DS

[stoic lava]

Nah this model is a shit

[vernal thicket]

adventuresmbs toad uses marios body

so hes a bit out of proportion

[fossil token]

I mean it makes sense why, it’s the reason I can’t have mini/small yoshi states

It’s really hard to set up the small animations

Ideally I want yoshi to work like Mario run

I just got a comment to add mega man lmao

[wraith gust]

They want this hack to be New Super Mario Bros. Crossover, lol

[stoic lava]

LMFAO NO WAY

[fossil token]

The only non Mario character I’m tempted to add is Madeline

But I probably wont

[wraith gust]

Considering you have a Celeste-themed world I think it could be a good addition

But it's up to you

[stoic lava]

^

And it for some reason in my head fits in a mario mod, fits a lot

[fossil token]

The lead dev of Celeste, Maddie was a smw rom hacker

I tried out their hack but didn’t get far bc it was kiazo

[wide furnace]

that could actually be a good idea i think

but that seems complicated

so that's up to you

(and once again dont set your expectations too high)

[stoic lava]

Someone said kaizo!?!?!?!?! Hack name?!

[fossil token]

Ok i cant extract models from marip party ds

so I grabed the wario and yoshi models from mario 64 ds

ill try to fix any rig issues and get them working later today

[fossil token]

I was going to start setting up the yoshi sound banks and crap but its so much work

[wide furnace]

good luck with this

[stoic lava]

I set up mine, i just dont found the world map ones, if u want i can sent it

[fleet breach]

Uhhh bro are you okay ?

[fossil token]

Messing with sound groups now

Im trying to get one sound effect working then from there is should be easy to add all the yoshi sounds

[wide furnace]

oh nice

[fossil token]

I cant get it to work

I might need to take a further look at the sfx system and adding custom sound effects

[stoic lava]

You have the link to nitro studio 2?

[stoic lava]

THANKS!!!!

[fossil token]

wtf is my current world nine code on a file called "NewTitleScreen" lmao

this isnt all the code on this file btw

[stoic lava]

New title screen

World 9 name leaked guys!!!!

[wraith gust]

World 9 code leaked!

[sand sky]

star world

[fossil token]

what makes you think its a star worl lol

it isnt

anyways oam sprite testing gone wrong

[wraith gust]

Corrupted world

[stoic lava]

I love the &#&!#!#&!;#&!&&&$>+>=×>$>@$×* world

[stoic lava]

Nah she's making w9, the only star world here in the server is mine (it shouldnt be called it tho)

[fossil token]

omg this 2d stuff is dogshit

[wraith gust]

What's exactly what you're tryna figure out? The animated tilesets thing?

[stoic lava]

3d are models better Illy.... 3d models are better....

[fossil token]

Yeah

Im trying to set up OAM for an actor

But this crap is really complicated

Im going off the goomba but even then this shit is hard

[stoic lava]

Its funny thar 3d stuff should be harder, but it seens to be easy even in code

[fossil token]

With 3d stuff we can just use the code that every other 3d actor uses

But I’m not use this crap yet

[wraith gust]

I dunno if this helps, but have you tried taking a peek at RicBent's tutorial on how to make animated tilesets? I dunno if it's useful or if it's outdated, but maybe it could help

[fossil token]

That’s animated tiles, I’m trying to make an actor that uses OAM

For some stuff

[wraith gust]

Ah I see

[pine palm]

I wonder if it's similar to libnds/nflib method of drawing images and stuff, because maybe you could look at that as a second reference or something

[fossil token]

maybe

anyways I decided that Im gonna work on the yoshi powerup states

this is the mario palate btw

[wide furnace]

oam stuff seems complicated. good luck on that

[fossil token]

this is a much better yoshi pal

its so hard to get them to work right

[fossil token]

yoshi power up state testing

oh yeah stacking a red star and star is something I havent showed before, its not a bug

and I removed the red star music to make the file smaller for easier testing

[wide furnace]

did you manually recolor everything?

[wide furnace]

pretty good so far! good luck on fixing stuff

[fossil token]

no, I use nitropaint

[wide furnace]

oh okay, that would have been a nightmare

[fossil token]

it still was lol, I had to make a luigi texture with all the colurs I needed in each palate than rip the palate data from the model then make a .tga with that custom 1024 palate and yoshi's texture

and its not even done yet because I gotta find out what colours each powerup state uses

[wide furnace]

dang yea that's complicated

[fossil token]

the fun part is that I need to do the other yoshi's after this

ill just get the green one working first though

[wide furnace]

okay, good luck once again 🍀

[fossil token]

this was what I used to generate the palate

I used this on the luig model

[wraith gust]

Do you plan on adding multiple colored Yoshis?

[fossil token]

yeah

do any of you know how I can format the yoshi paletes to look like this btw?

because that would be much easier than working with this

[wide furnace]

oh okay

[wraith gust]

I honestly have no idea, but I'd like to know too, maybe you could ask Garhoogin about that

If you figure it out would be nice since I feel it could come in handy to make high quality multi-palette tilesets

[fossil token]

this is 3d model stuff, not tile set stuff

[wraith gust]

Ah

[rapid bramble]

change texture format

the palette is absurd

[fossil token]

I know, but it’s the easiest way for me to get the textures working when that player model is in different power up states

[rapid bramble]

you should make sure it isn't too much

get in a fight with W1 Bowser, that model has a huge palette and should be a good check

[stoic lava]

Or the final bosss

[fossil token]

Its fine

[stoic lava]

Snow

How u added this snow platform

[fossil token]

It ends up being no different to using the mario/luigi pallets, the original model is unloaded so its not wasting vram and then a new player model is loaded to replace mario/luigi, since yoshi uses luigi's palate but with some colours changes its the exact same as playing as luigi. Although not wasting 2kb of ram on that palate would be nice tbh

[rapid bramble]

yeah lmao

[stoic lava]

So it means that if u insert another character, and having 4, they still will not be wasting vram?

Since mario and luigi both waste some vram since its shared i think

Wich is bad for more detailed custom maps/models

Btw talking about maps, u plan adding custom modeled world maps? Since i could help u with it

[fossil token]

I plan on doing that, I dont know how to rig everything though

and my blender skills are not the best

[stoic lava]

I can help u with the maps

I learned how to rip the map models and how to make slower water animation

[quaint gorge]

I was never that good at rigging either, but I simply kept watching a few tutorials

it helps

[stoic lava]

You dont need rigging to make a map

Rigging is scary

Rigging creeps me out

When i tried manual rigging something my house exploded

[quaint gorge]

you need it for w1tree

[stoic lava]

No you dont

[quaint gorge]

yes for the animations

[stoic lava]

I animated my w2tree without rigging

Nor with bones

[quaint gorge]

porbably because you were lucky and the game somehow attached the model to a single bone

[stoic lava]

No i didn't added bones

[quaint gorge]

didn't work for me, because it gets rotated if you don't add bones

[stoic lava]

Most of my animations dont use bones

[stoic lava]

Just rotate the tree

It also got rotated with me

[quaint gorge]

or do it the proper way with armature

[stoic lava]

I rotated it up and it worked

[stoic lava]

No

[quaint gorge]

yeah which is not the best way to do it

[stoic lava]

Dont give she 3d modeling trauma 😭

For start with 3d modeling you should start with easy stuff

[quaint gorge]

start using aramture in maya

[stoic lava]

Dont start it by rigging n shit

[stoic lava]

I dont know how to add one on maya

[quaint gorge]

you'll be able to add animation by yourself

[quaint gorge]

I don't either, but I assume there is something similiar to aramture

[stoic lava]

Most of my armatures are from blender

[quaint gorge]

I see

that's also a way

[stoic lava]

If you do something on maya its better convert it to fbx on blender first

[fossil token]

cursed flying yoshi

it would probs be better if I do the red and black the other way

[stoic lava]

Since it can easily corrupt with a obj

[stoic lava]

Make the white part red and the rest Black id say

[wide furnace]

yes i think it would look better. tho idk about the red torso if you do that

[stoic lava]

It looks good tho!

[quaint gorge]

giving yoshi power ups is hard

because you won't be able to add multiple yoshis

[fossil token]

much better

[quaint gorge]

fire yoshi = red yoshi

[fossil token]

not exactly

[quaint gorge]

but then no red yoshi on its own

[fossil token]

its kinda like toads

[stoic lava]

True

[quaint gorge]

yoshis in wonder can't even have power ups

[fossil token]

yoshi's in wonder are lame

[quaint gorge]

I like the design really much tho

[stoic lava]

Illy, how do you plan for the flower yoshi? It will be like the red yoshi or you want it to be unique?

The para shell one you could add wings to it

[quaint gorge]

I would love to use them if you could get power ups somehow and get small but maybe not die

[stoic lava]

And make it blue

[quaint gorge]

except lava, pit, crushed etc.

[wide furnace]

pretty cool! what about the shell tho

and would this mean that the lower jaw will be red in this power-up state?

[fossil token]

thats the plan but I need to adjust the models armature so it can shrink

[fossil token]

this is the current state of it, its not finished yet

and yes, the parashell one Is going to load an alt blueshell model thats just wings

and shell sliding will be disabled

[sand sky]

looks like yoshi eats a chili

[wide furnace]

kinda looks like yoshi's about to breathe fire

[fossil token]

this is his current fire state, green and white like fire luigi

I still need to fix some colours and the head model

[fossil token]

flying yoshi progress

its kinda weird how the eyes are green but they use a palate that I cant change

I should probably make them use the same palate as the rest of the head

also some fire yoshi progress

[wide furnace]

yea it starts to look better

[stoic lava]

Ohhh gotcha, its looks cool!

[stoic lava]

OMGGGG

[stoic lava]

Yeah it looks better

[karmic crest]

You can have it if you want but ima be offline

[fossil token]

?

[stoic lava]

Blud What? 😭

[fossil token]

Well time to do some work on the blue yoshi powerup states

[stoic lava]

It will be surelly the best thing of the mod lol

When it release i will try beating it with yoshi

[fossil token]

I feel like I have just stoped making levels because I am getting carried away with code and this player crap

[stoic lava]

Im not doing much progress in my levels too

[fossil token]

The hack is ment to be traditional but difficult so most players will probably need to play as yoshi to beat it lol

the black jr fight is really fucking hard

[stoic lava]

My mod should have a less frenetic level desing

Since im feeling that people will almost never play as mario

Specially on world 5

[fossil token]

also ur yoshi head doent have any animations for some reason, Im probably going to have to make my own with the armuture of mario/luigi's head

[stoic lava]

You mean the animstions of it moving or of the eyes n such?

[fossil token]

no

[stoic lava]

If its of it moving, its because i didn't added bones to it

[fossil token]

I dont care about the eyes tbh

[stoic lava]

Same

[fossil token]

I need to make them use the same texture as the rest of the head too

[stoic lava]

It would be hard to be fair

[fossil token]

because his eylids are green

[fossil token]

not really, I know how to do uv maping

[stoic lava]

The uv of his eyes is something that is.... really peculiar, idk what the hell nintendo did on it

I used uv for fixing the eyes, and i almost give up trying to undo the "knot" that the polygons had

[fossil token]

I could always just remake the eyes

[stoic lava]

Yeah thats true

I just dont thought about it because my brain dont work on the way it should 🫠

-# im really regreting doing the uv instead of remaking the eyes 😭

[wide furnace]

why did i read "my brain doesn't work para android" 😭😭😭

[wide furnace]

how many yoshi colors do you plan to add? and will there be an actual difference between them apart from their visual appearance?

[wraith gust]

Deeznuts

[stoic lava]

Deeznuts

[wide furnace]

lol

[fossil token]

this is how yoshi fire balls work

dont mind the broken animation

[fossil token]

I just realized that I need a new check point flag for every player

[wide furnace]

interesting

its like spitting fire in nsmbw yoshi

[fossil token]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lEYzv5a8wp4 more progress

[wide furnace]

oh nice!

[fossil token]

I could probably use the code I have in place to make a hacky super ball flower

or hammer suit

or smth

[wide furnace]

Maybe, if you feel like doing it

[fossil token]

now I need to find out how to attach a model to the player when yoshi is active and the blue shell state is active

and disable shell sliding as yoshi since jpg64's head model doesnt have the armture to support shell sliding

[wide furnace]

i cant really help with 3d model stuff, maybe someone else could. tho good luck on it 🍀

[stoic lava]

Or make yoshi dont shell slide

So it can be diferent from the other characters

[fossil token]

That’s what I said I was doing lmao

[stoic lava]

Oh

Im blind lmfao

[olive owl]

That's not in MvsL, flagged for false advertisement

Pester aside, looks good

[fossil token]

What if…

The code works in Mario vs Luigi

Is should work tbh but I’m not including it in the hack

[olive owl]

I’m not including it in the hack

[fossil token]

this is the mini game that the yoshi models are from btw

I wonder where the blue, yellow and red ones are in the files

ahh each yoshi has its own set of 16 colours

so instead of having all of this bullshit, I wonder if I can do smth like that for the yoshi powerup states

im cooking smth

[patent ivy]

fire

[fossil token]

hopefully I can save 4kb of ram if I can pull off this thing for the yoshi's

[patent ivy]

yeš

yes*

[wraith gust]

Oh really? I thought the models were from the "Loves me/loves me not" minigame

I totally forgot about that minigame, lmao

[fossil token]

that minigame comes with the peach's castle bridge attatched to it lol

[rapid bramble]

^

[wraith gust]

Ah damn, I didn't know that, lmao

[fossil token]

ok now I got it working, all four yoshi colour are curently just the diffrent power up states

[wraith gust]

Nice

[olive owl]

Neat

Good job

[stoic lava]

Yeah looks better

Good job illy!

[fossil token]

now the powerup states dont have to look like ass as much

thats a test for the fire state

[stoic lava]

How u will make for the eyes texture?

Oh nvm u will make it use the body texture

[rapid bramble]

Be careful with that

Some unused powerup states are checked against

Probably even indirectly via state > value

[stoic lava]

How unused powerup states?

Theres any?

[rapid bramble]

Yes

2

they dont do anything important other than really weird and unfinished stuff

One of them spawns a star sprite that floats on the screen towards the coin counter

[stoic lava]

And the other ones?

The other one in the case

[rapid bramble]

.

[wide furnace]

oh nice!!

[fossil token]

I didn't see anything related to the unused power up states in ghidra, those arrays for the player pal offset were only called once

Also I’m thinking of storing the palettes for all four yoshi’s in the one file

[fossil token]

I really like how red star blue yoshi looks

[stoic lava]

You changed the yoshi color?

Or it will have multiple colors?

[fossil token]

all four yoshi's from this mini game are in the game

[wide furnace]

yep it looks good

[stoic lava]

Ohhhh

[fossil token]

also, does anybody have any idea of what the math behind a yoshi flutter jump would be?

[patent ivy]

jump

when press A
-------repeat 10 times

Y=-1
-------repeat 10 times
X=+10
set default

[rapid bramble]

They are checked against in some specific stated/functions/other shit

Not in the main powerup tables

[fossil token]

good to know

anyways yoshi's in their powerup states

besides the parashell state

[wide furnace]

oh nice!

[fossil token]

the fire yoshis are messed up still

[stoic lava]

Fire one looks strange, but looks good tho!! 🙂

[wide furnace]

fire yoshis look a bit weird (probably the eye colors) and inconsistent tho, with yellow yoshi not being red like the others, and green yoshi not having a green torso

[wide furnace]

oh okay

[fossil token]

this is what the green fire yoshi is ment to look like

[wide furnace]

oh nice

[fossil token]

wait that ones wrong too

[wide furnace]

tho its still inconsistent with blue yoshi tho

[wide furnace]

dang lol

[fossil token]

they are all wong actauly

[wide furnace]

oh

[fossil token]

I think the blue one is wrong

[wide furnace]

do you have some specific color combo planned or are you still trying to find out?

[fossil token]

i dont know lol, I cant tell the reds apart from the other colours

fuck being colour blind

its so annoying

[wide furnace]

oh :/

[wide furnace]

i feel like that this kind of color scheme seems pretty good, tho there's your color blindness so idk

[fossil token]

im pretty sure thats how they are ment to look

the white changed to red

[stoic lava]

Its pink actually

[wide furnace]

no i mean it might be hard for you (and other colorblind people) to differentiate fire yoshi and regular yoshi during a playthrough for example

[wide furnace]

its some sort of pale red, which looks good in this case

[stoic lava]

Ohhh gotcha

My fire mario i will change it later because the red is pink

[wide furnace]

why

[stoic lava]

Never knew this untill yesterday

I never used fire mario

Yesterday i picked it

And its pink

Tho its alright for a sakura smb

[wide furnace]

it seems so. at least the last green yoshi you sent and the red and yellow yoshis you sent were consistent, with blue being off

[vernal thicket]

red star ones look like they got eyeliner

outta curiosity do all of the yoshis play the same

[wide furnace]

i think this has yet to be fixed, it was an issue for a while already

[fossil token]

this how blue fire yoshi should look

[stoic lava]

Green :3

Looks so cute

[sand sky]

rex from smw color

[wide furnace]

it feels quite different from the others. the torso is green and yoshi is kinda purple. wait i realized that blue yoshi is kinda purple in its default form

anyway the thing here is that the torso is green compared to the other yoshis which have a red torso

honestly it really seems hard to do this with color blindness, i feel bad for you about it. good luck with that 🍀

[fossil token]

I thought that was red lol

just checked and it was green

[wide furnace]

dang

[fossil token]

is this the same as the others now?

[wide furnace]

yes

tho there are a few green pixels left

[fossil token]

I play with the game scaled up, they cant be seen on normal res

[wide furnace]

okay

tho why is yoshi more purple in his regular form, and more "blue" (if we forget the lowered saturation) on the torso in his red star form?

is it intentional or not?

[quaint gorge]

damn it's startig to look good

[fossil token]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVsSIv9g5yY

[wide furnace]

oh nice!

apart from the few bugs, the "physics" of the flutter jump seems to be good

[quaint gorge]

Maybe you know it too, but you gotta do something about the long jump, I think it's still off. The flatter animation on the other hand looks good, maybe a few corrections and a sound of yoshi struggling. it can probably be found somewhere in sm64ds

[fossil token]

I havent worked on the long jump for ages

as I kinda need to be careful with it so it works with all physics

[stoic lava]

Rex is orange and purple

And its super silly

[fossil token]

So, does anyone want to make me a wario and waluigi model?

[wide furnace]

mario?

you mean wario?

[stoic lava]

Nld mod have it

Wario and waluigi

You could ask him

Permission for using it

[wide furnace]

pretty sure she said that she wont be using stuff from nld's hack tho

[quaint gorge]

I think she wants them to be like the original models

[stoic lava]

Ohh

[quaint gorge]

so she could take Wario's body model

but would have to do the rest by herself

small wario looks suddenly different

[stoic lava]

I could do it, but theres a problem since i dont know how to rig and when i do the deformarions are super weird

[quaint gorge]

Do you only need the model or do you also want it converted and allat in nsbmd form?

because I am kinda lazy to go through nld's custom character guide

[fossil token]

I’ll do it myself

Dw

[quaint gorge]

hardest one gonna be waluigi

[fossil token]

I need to rig them to have the same armature as Mario

[quaint gorge]

that's not hard at all

it might be hard to make smaller version

[fossil token]

I was hoping to use his Mario party ds model, but those files are encrypted

[quaint gorge]

wario's head is actually really weird

his chin looks like a very thing rectangle

[quaint gorge]

you sure there is no way to decrypt them?

I could try creating him from the pictures otherwise

[fossil token]

I have tried but it’s really complicated

[stoic lava]

I tried doing it it dont even load nitro paint

[stoic lava]

I recreated boo from a picture lol

[fossil token]

I know how the data is stored though

[stoic lava]

But its a 3d pixel art

Because why not

[quaint gorge]

I see I think Wario's not gonna take long

You want the same changes applied as when between big Mario and Small mario

same ratio right?

[fossil token]

Actually I don’t even need to use Mario’s armature for wario, he can have is own animation files

[stoic lava]

Its harder i think

[fossil token]

I would like to but that crap isn’t easy

[quaint gorge]

but I assume the bones should have the same names as the original one right?

or actually I'm a bit bad at creating animations admittedly

I usually copy them by looking at existing ones

[fossil token]

I think so, when an actor gets linked to the player to be carried the position of the actor is the position of a bone or something, so it’s probably important to have the animation be named the same

[quaint gorge]

probably the bones are ordered alphabetically and so they get an ID assigned starting from 0

[fossil token]

I’ll ask about the waluigi model in the Mario kart ds server as they have a channel for Mario party ds

[quaint gorge]

Mario Kart ones are different

[fossil token]

Read the second part of the message lol

[quaint gorge]

fuck

As I said I quickly read through messages

his ears

[stoic lava]

NOOOOO WAAAYYYYY CRINGE FUZZY ALSO DO IT

[fossil token]

Lmao people can not read the title of a video

[fossil token]

Ok maybe I don’t want to use Mario party ds models lol

[quaint gorge]

critizing work looking like as if it's in progress while work actually being in progress

[wide furnace]

i think thats the mario kart one tho, they're really low poly in mkds

[quaint gorge]

that's not mario party

it's mario kart

[wide furnace]

i think waluigi looked better than this in mario party ds

[quaint gorge]

oh btw you can download the model?

[wide furnace]

funny how his chin just disappears in the very low poly version

[quaint gorge]

no armature tho only the mesh

left is mario party ds

right is mario 64 ds

they don't seem to be all that different but I can spot some differences

or is it the same

hard to tell

[wraith gust]

I always thought Mario Party DS recycled the models from SM64DS, lol

[quaint gorge]

the hands are different

and arms/legs look look like chained?

[fossil token]

I’ll use the Mario 64 wario model probably

[quaint gorge]

mario 64ds has 4 meshes for the arm

and party uses it twice

[wide furnace]

seems to be a bit lower poly for mpds

[quaint gorge]

nah actually higher poly

[wide furnace]

oh

okay then

[quaint gorge]

I think I could make a walugi NSMB model without it looking cursed

by comparing the wario models

to see what I would have to change from the party model to get the 64ds model

and I apply the changes to Waluigi

I'll see what I can do

If I understood it correctly I can add custom armature as long as the names are the same

if the animation turns out to be weird, you can always change the single animation instead of recreating all the animations

[fossil token]

Thanks

Well let’s see if he responds lol

[stoic lava]

Bro is blind wtf 😭

The title is literally "This is a work in progress"

His comment made me a bit angry tbh

[fossil token]

Makes sense, even then I can just make the game load a different animation if I’m feeling lazy

[fossil token]

I just found a waluigi model from the ds mario and sonic at the olympics game

that might be a good one to use

[wraith gust]

I was gonna suggest that game too, but I supposed it used the same models than Mario Party DS

[fossil token]

I dont think they do

[fossil token]

lol

[vernal thicket]

cruel

laughing at someone whos been decapitated

[fossil token]

now time to think about how I want to do this

I want to make waluigi his normal hight though

I dont want him to be short

[fossil token]

now I got the problem of not knowing how to attatch bones to the model

and when I try I get this

Im thinking of trying to recreate the bones from scratch but that would probably be hell

[fossil token]

well I managed to rig the mario bones back onto the mario model

so its a problem of me not positioning and adjusting the bones properly for waluigi

what a great looking mario model

[fossil token]

I tried again but the same thing happend

I wonder what Im doing wrong

[fossil token]

I think the mario party ds model is going to be easier

If anybody wants to mess around with it here u go

maneged to rig it

[wide furnace]

oh nice!

[fossil token]

well I did something right

Maybe I should try again without scaling up the bones

I dont know though

[wide furnace]

it looks funny lol

good luck on fixing it tho

[quaint gorge]

nope, biggest issue here probably is the rotation

wrong rotation often causes mesh to be very very thin

the head of the bones looks up in player's model iirc, it doesn't face you

[fossil token]

thats what my mario 64 ds bones look like

ill try making them face up then

[quaint gorge]

really, I'm sure it's not supposed to look like that

I did have issues with a model that I exported from sm64ds, the animation was messed up because of wrong position and rotation

[fossil token]

this is a rip directly from nsmbds and yeah they are all facing up

its better this time

im just posting a file of the attempt for my own reffrance

this crap is hard

I have had enough for today lol

[stoic lava]

Lmaoo its funny

[wide furnace]

yea its pretty goofy lol

[fossil token]

I’m going to give it another try after work today

[wraith gust]

Good luck on it

[wide furnace]

Alright, gl

[fossil token]

getting better

[wide furnace]

starts to look like something

[quaint gorge]

Do u know at least why it's happening?

[fossil token]

Im pretty sure I do

[fossil token]

I give up with this crap, getting the armature to work is really hard

[wraith gust]

Ah damn

[wide furnace]

dang :/

[quaint gorge]

oh

how were u trying to fix it?

[fossil token]

I was trying to directly fix things in the .imd file

and also tried fixing it in blender

[onyx lantern]

Dang aight, I think just mario luigi and yoshi are alright anyway

[fossil token]

I think im going to do something I havent done in a while, work on a level

[fossil token]

Can everybody tell me not to program moving tight ropes

Because Im very tempted to do it for this level and if I do it will end up taking me ages

[wide furnace]

not to program moving tight ropes

instead of using moving tight ropes, use static ones in conjunction with regular ground and regular moving platforms

[stoic lava]

Dont do it

Do waht bester said

Waht*

What*

[fossil token]

looks like ill just program moving spin jump blocks instead

/j

[stoic lava]

😨

[wide furnace]

phew

[acoustic granite]

Wario And Waluigi Are Gonna Be Playable Characters In This Mod? Sounds Awesome!

[wide furnace]

not sure yet

waluigi's model was broken

dont set your expectations too high for now

(i feel like i shouldn't have been the one who should have responded honestly, sorry about that)

[fossil token]

I want to but making models is hard

progress on that level I started

[stoic lava]

Yo cool!

I should do some levels like that (going up)

[wide furnace]

ohhhh i like the level design of it already, it feels unusual

[stoic lava]

Only w1 and w3 castles will be like that in my mod, but i will make more levels like this

[wide furnace]

reminds me of that one vs mode exclusive nsmbwii level i think

[stoic lava]

YEAH TRUE

It gives me mfawii vibes

Specially the koopa falls world

[tepid temple]

love that you put chainchomps in a snow level

[wide furnace]

this (somehow misremembered that it used an ice tileset)

[tepid temple]

cause their post does kinda look like the trees

[wide furnace]

(sorry for interrupting)

[wide furnace]

yea true that's pretty cool

[stoic lava]

Yeah same

[fossil token]

vertical levels are hard to make

[stoic lava]

I mean, they fits

[tepid temple]

lol dw

[fossil token]

I want to try and have some since they change gameplay

[stoic lava]

Yeah true

[fossil token]

thats what I was thinking too

[wide furnace]

yea its true, they make it more interesting

[fossil token]

also I used them because I havent used chomps yet

[wide furnace]

now time for me to keep this idea in the corner of my mind

nah seriously i think its cool, i might get some inspiration (not too much)

[stoic lava]

I will use chainchomps in the 3-2 level maybe

[fossil token]

Im also kinda tempted to code a massive chainchom that chases the player for the last bit of the level

[stoic lava]

Newer ds ahhhh chomp

I almost had a heart attack playing this specific level

[wraith gust]

Kinda like the one from Yoshi's Island?

[fossil token]

Im thinking more like a cosmic clone tbh, or like the one from the iggy fights

I dont know yet though

[stoic lava]

I was not expecting a fucking giant metal ball hound guarding the star coin

[fossil token]

this is me trying to avoid making a level again lol

[wide furnace]

make the level make the level make the level

[fossil token]

also Im thinking of seeing how this level looks if I zoom it out to 32x32

instead of the usaul 16x16

[wide furnace]

do you have a specific code hack or something for that? because im pretty sure that the max value is 24 in the base game zoom sprite (or do you plan to make one?)

[fossil token]

remember that vid of the spider fight where it kept zooming out?

[wide furnace]

or emulator stuff?

[fossil token]

I can just use some code for a zoom out

[wide furnace]

yea emulator stuff (script?)

[fossil token]

no not emulator stuff

[wide furnace]

oh i thought it was

[fossil token]

the zoom function can zoom out as much as you want

[wide furnace]

oh okay

only for testing or do you plan to actually keep it?

or you dont know yet?

(sorry if im asking too much questions 😭)

[wide furnace]

AAAAAAAAAAA

[stoic lava]

No but without jokes this kinda scared me

When playing for the first time

Ofc

[wide furnace]

actually same, i was afraid that i'd die trying to collect the star coin

[stoic lava]

SAME LOL

[acoustic granite]

A Big Chain Chomp From Newer Super Mario Bros Wii? Cool! Add It In The Mod!

[tepid temple]

We can't do these kinds of things by snapping our fingers, Gage

can take time

[stoic lava]

^

I'll probably add nsmbw chomp model

Over the chomp

Imo its bester

LMFAO I SWEAR IT WAS THE AUTOCORECTOR WHO DID THIS

[stoic lava]

Here

[wide furnace]

its not your hack's post tho

[stoic lava]

Ops

[fossil token]

I think I accidently changed some code, now the Yoshi's all crash the game

[wide furnace]

dang it

gl fixing it

[stoic lava]

Oh :<

[fossil token]

Actauly its probably school wifi messing with stuff on my laptop

[wide furnace]

??

[fossil token]

I didnt have my vpn on this morning

[wide furnace]

how can files get messed up because of wifi

[fossil token]

and they like to intsall melwear on ort laptops through wifi and change registry settings

[wide furnace]

oh so its some sort of deletion system

dang yea that's annoying

[fossil token]

Conected to my vpn and it worked lol

[wide furnace]

oh okay then

[vernal thicket]

ooh

very cool

[fossil token]

Im not going to have the level zoomed out like this

I just felt like messing around

[wide furnace]

interesting, but yea that would feel weird on a ds screen

[wraith gust]

The level seems really cool and interesting at first glance, it looks very well designed

[wide furnace]

yea

[wraith gust]

And the use of the zoom sprite seems like a nice idea here, even when I'm not a big fan of it

[fossil token]

this isnt the zoom sprite

the zoom sprite is to week for this

[wraith gust]

Ah

[fossil token]

this is Stage::setZoom(1.8fx, 16, 0, 0);

the zoom sprite is limited to 1.5fx

[wraith gust]

So you basically wrote code to make the level zoom further than allowed (?)

Also, is this a GD reference?

[stoic lava]

😱

[fossil token]

Fun fact, if you enter a secret code, the door to the chamber of time will apear on the world map menu in world 8

[wide furnace]

wait really? nice lol

[stoic lava]

Thats actually cool

[fossil token]

it was a joke

[wide furnace]

oh okay

i thought that you were really gonna code a gd easter egg into the hack lol

[quaint gorge]

bro will have everything in the mod except for DS

[wide furnace]

lol

[stoic lava]

Maybe i change the mario model too for the nsmb2 one

Only for piss you out 😊

[quaint gorge]

to*

"Whenever somebody is trying to annoy you, just remind them of their spelling errors" - unknown

[stoic lava]

Faje

Faje

[stoic lava]

Fajw

AH FUCK OFF MAN

Fake*

Lmfao

[quaint gorge]

Fake*

Fake*

you said it wrong twice before

[stoic lava]

You dont onow how to count? It was 3 times!

[quaint gorge]

you corrected your last one

[wide furnace]

know*

[stoic lava]

NOOOO 😭

[stoic lava]

But it also ocujt as wrong

ok cringe fuzzy i raise the white flag

[quaint gorge]

counts*

💀

[stoic lava]

Count bleck 😱

@quaint gorge we arent in the lounge lets move to the loungr

[wide furnace]

i thought this was #1193719548009009192

[stoic lava]

Yeah same

[void tree]

it's easy

idk if the game expects the deformable platform's points to be moved, unsure if the physics might break

[quaint gorge]

easist way would be to have an actor that spawns it and then move that actor tbh

isn't that something that NewerDS already did

but using the old actorSpawner and its additional settings

[tepid temple]

the movement stuff wasn't part of actorspawner, it was its own actor

[quaint gorge]

I didn't know that

[fossil token]

Yeah I have messed around with it before, I managed to get them to move horizontally and vertically without breaking them

I might code my own rotation controller tbh

considering how often I code rotation crap into actors

[fossil token]

more leveling

[wide furnace]

looks fun!

isnt that a bit too much gimmicks? not sure but it seems alright tho

[wraith gust]

It's fine, I like it

[stoic lava]

I love random gimmicks

My levels have it

Most of them

[fossil token]

The primary gimick is bills, the secondary is chomps and the tertiary is the lifts

[wraith gust]

You should definitely not abuse the gimmicks, a level should have at least two or three gimmicks max

[stoic lava]

But most of them have one

Nah my levels with a lot of gimmicks have 2 on the max

[fossil token]

I have like six gimmicks in my 8- lol

[stoic lava]

The airship one have 1 gimmick

[fossil token]

if you know how to make levels with everything in mind its fine

[stoic lava]

The punching spike pilars are one

And its hard asf

[wraith gust]

Well, I guess it's fine if done correctly

[stoic lava]

Me dont like it

[stoic lava]

Yeah true

[wide furnace]

yea it seems to work well so far

[fossil token]

cursed star coin

[wide furnace]

how is that cursed

[vernal thicket]

if you touch it you get 100 years bad luck

[wide furnace]

nooooo

[fossil token]

this sucks

it doesnt have any side sensors or bottom sensors

and I wanted to have chainchomps on lifts

[wide furnace]

dang :/

[patent ivy]

how do you get those hitboxes

in game

[wide furnace]

a lua script with the emulator i think

[stoic lava]

The chomp is like "😐"

Yo wait nsmbds have rounded hitboxes?

[fossil token]

Im tempted to add a red star hidden in this level and having a secret up here

[fossil token]

yeah

it has round, rectangular and trapezium

[stoic lava]

Ohhh

Makes sense

Since cannon have the slooped part

[wide furnace]

maybe it could work? idk.
tho dont place the red star only for the secret and nothing else, the player might not know that there's a secret there and the red star will feel out of place

[fossil token]

Well the level is finished

I start school soon so Ill probably uploaded a vid of the level after school or if I have nothing to do in class

[wide furnace]

oh nice

[wide furnace]

alright

[fossil token]

oh yeah I did some more work on long jumps

[tepid temple]

lol is that the bump animation

looks better though

[fossil token]

yeah it is lol

its still not finished though

[stoic lava]

Theres a long jump animation in the nsbca tho

[fossil token]

what is the animation id of it?

[stoic lava]

Lemme see here

This is not the long jump but is the best so far

[quaint gorge]

looks way better now

I guess he should jump a bit higher

[stoic lava]

No it is the animation you're using

[tepid temple]

wtf is he doing

[stoic lava]

As the animation name says, its crouching, but i think he's twerking 😭

[quaint gorge]

nah the animation is repeated, making it look like hes twerking

[stoic lava]

Real

[wide furnace]

0/10, there's no "yahoo!" sound

nah jk its a lot better! only complaint is that mario just instantly drops/falls fast once the long jump is finished

[fossil token]

its still unfinished

[fossil token]

lmao

did you find out what the animation id of the long jump was?

[stoic lava]

It was the player getting bumped animation

For some reason the name of it is long jump

[fossil token]

Thats what I thought

[fossil token]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QIoWn6_tG4&t=1s the level turned out pretty bad

[stoic lava]

I liked this level tbh!

Imo the song is unfitting tho

[fossil token]

yeah bc I dont have the music for that level yet

[stoic lava]

Ohhh gotcha

I liked this level tbh

[tepid temple]

why do you say it turned out badly? I don't see much wrong with the level

[rapid bramble]

^

i do think tho it may be a bit cluttered; making the spaces wider may help

[quaint gorge]

and it doesn't hurt to zoom out more

[wraith gust]

I don't really see the problem with the level, I really like the way it's structured and designed, though, as Fuzzy said, it wouldn't hurt to zoom out a bit more

And you don't necessarily need the P-Switch for the third star coin, you could destroy those bricks with the parashell, but it's fine in case players could lose it

[near aurora]

New++ Super Mario Bros. is getting port to the Wii in 2030

and U

[fossil token]

I would like to see you try

without using newer wii as a base

[near aurora]

I have
been learning C++ for 9 years straight I never took a good bath in 9 years

[tepid temple]

we believe you

[vernal thicket]

seems interesting

was sorta expecting it to be fully vertical

but the more up-and-right section seems neat too

the one-time use of that falling platform for that one starcoin seems a bit weird tho i feel

[wraith gust]

Oh, btw, I made a comment in that video making free Central promotion, but seems that YouTube deleted it

[stoic lava]

Lmao

[mortal arrow]

Wait a minute... You didn't use newer ds as a base?! Every day you surprise me more, you are incredible

[fossil token]

Newer ds is a buggy mess, I have no reason to use anything from it

[near aurora]

It's hella bugggy

[mortal arrow]

I agree, it's a good romhack (my favorite) but the community has been stuck on that base for years and they haven't experimented with expanding the original New base like you are doing.

[near aurora]

Come again, you use their U pipes

unless you ported yourself

[wraith gust]

I believe Illy makes most graphics herself

[near aurora]

Nah it just looks the same

[wraith gust]

Because both are from NSMBU? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[near aurora]

Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[fossil token]

I ripped them myself

who knew, if you rip something from mario u and another hack uses something ripped from mario u, they will look the same

[near aurora]

Ok

[stoic lava]

In my hack i ripped every graphic from newer

(Every nsmbu graphic i mean)

Hud, pipes, some tilesets etc

[near aurora]

damn chill with the newer😭

[stoic lava]

NOOOOO MUAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHAJAJAHHAJAJAJAAJANAJ

No but sometimes i do it for joking, like the newer checkpoint graphics over random files, the jumpscare from the leaked "beta" is over one of the files too (i did it yesterday) and the pink hill from koopatlas that i cant say the name here

The newer checkpoint is present like 8 or 9 times in the files

But when i need space for models i replace them

Ops this is not my hack chat, bye

[near aurora]

Newer Sakura Mario Bros.

[stoic lava]

Sakura newer smbds

100% real no fake

[fossil token]

Dang it isnt even under held for review

thats weird

[near aurora]

❔

[fossil token]

sometimes comments that youtube thinks are inappropriate get put there for me to verify

[near aurora]

what😭

[wraith gust]

DM mentioned once that YouTube doesn't take the "You should join our Discord" type comments too kindly

I guess YT thought my comment was spam or inappropiate and deleted it

It's not the first time YouTube randomly deletes my comments for absolutely no reason though

[quaint gorge]

it doesn't want any links so I assume also no promotion for other apps

[wraith gust]

I did not send any links, I only made a comment saying "Join the Discord" that's it

[wide furnace]

youtube just doesn't like the word "discord", except maybe in your own videos because it makes sense to advertise your own community on your own channel

[near aurora]

discord and youtube have beef

https://tenor.com/view/beef-meat-food-gif-15154168

[wide furnace]

but yea i literally had to say to someone "you can talk to me in the app called cord but with "dis" at the beginning, and with the purple bot" instead of saying discord lol

wait this isnt #nsmb-chat or #general

also yea youtube straight up deletes this kind of comment, it doesn't even block them

[near aurora]

You just notice 💀

[wraith gust]

Lol

I commented again but omitting the word "Discord" let's hope YT won't delete it again

[wide furnace]

hopefully

[wraith gust]

Nevermind, it got deleted again

https://tenor.com/view/regular-show-benson-angry-rage-gif-21676938

[wide furnace]

lol

[near aurora]

Damn😭

YouTube takes their job too seriously.

[wide furnace]

Okay so, overall the level is pretty good, but it needs some tweaks. First of all, I feel like using zoom sprites could be nice here, considering the level is quite open compared to most others, and also because when watching the video I was confused about where the player had to go. Maybe also add arrows for that.

then there's also some small stuff:
1st image: that ground tile should be a "slope edge" tile. we can see the shell bounce
2nd image: the camera is too low here, maybe put vertical scroll stop sprites on the bottom, though keep in mind that you might also make the camera limit (seems to be the top of the view here) higher.

[near aurora]

N++SMB. reminds me of Super Mario NightFall

[fossil token]

its really easy to miss a few tiles tbh

thats stuff ill fix at the end

also I was gonna make a level today but I spent six hours playing splatoon with a friend

[wide furnace]

okay

[fossil token]

im gonna fix the lighting on these

they look so much better with the 3d lighting

[wide furnace]

oh thats better

[fossil token]

yeah, I think im going to rig a spike model tmr and add a codehack to make snow spikes able to through normal spike balls and big spike balls

[wide furnace]

okay

i think you can use the newerds code hack as a base, last time you said that you could modify it to make it spawn whatever you wanted

[fossil token]

I would rather use the one on nsmbhd, I prefer it over the newer ds one

[wide furnace]

oh okay

[fossil token]

I had an idea for a level

icey water which slowly freezes the player

so what I would do it draw a model to the top screen when the player enters the water and slowly zoom in and increase the models opacity when the player is in the water

if the model reachs 31 opacity, the player dies

[wide furnace]

oh thats nice

[fossil token]

ANd thats the score replacment done

[wraith gust]

Looks really nice, great work

Everyone changing their score by words while I still use numbers

[fossil token]

I got rid of the score so I have space for other stuff

[wide furnace]

nice!

[wide furnace]

those look good too

[fossil token]

I was going to try and rig a spike model but I ended up helping fuzzy with smth instead

ill try and do the spike model tmr

[stoic lava]

The way the level ended made me laugh, it looks cool!

[fossil token]

Thats because there should only ever be one boss in a level

and I have five boss templates there

[stoic lava]

Ohhhhh

Those cannons are boss templates?

[wide furnace]

so its a test area? with event stuff related to bosses?

[fossil token]

Yeah, that was a template I whipped up for fuzzy, as the exit level stuff isnt the simplest stuff, there is still a problem that the players powerup state isnt saved upon exiting the level

but everything else is fine

Fuzzy better than will smith, He be coding cool boss fights for lsmb

/lh

[stoic lava]

What lh means

[fossil token]

light hearted

[stoic lava]

Ohh gotcha

[wide furnace]

oh okay then

[stoic lava]

Every time i read fuzzy name i remember this, lmao
https://discord.com/channels/399424476259024897/988400523394842654

[tepid temple]

he's nothing without us

lil bro can't do ANYTHING without our help

[fossil token]

just because he cant do the which craft know as asm

doesnt mean he cant do anything without our help

[quaint gorge]

thanks Illy for standing up for me 🙏 you a real one

[quaint gorge]

also stfu if I didn't have a lot to do, I'd be learning assembly rn and after that I could do the majority by myself

[tepid temple]

bro it's not even assembly im helping you with usually, it's c++

[quaint gorge]

nuh uh, I ask you how to reference shit in ghidra and u tell me

[fossil token]

We got a toxic bitch

[quaint gorge]

dafuq is that person angry for💀

[wide furnace]

dont they have something else to do with their lives 😭

[tepid temple]

casting is a c++ concept

[quaint gorge]

in the context of reading shit from ghidra, understanding it and then trying to intergrate into your code

[near aurora]

LMFAO?

YOUtube comments are wild fr

🔥

[stoic lava]

WTF ?

[fossil token]

Yeah lol, even if I could rig the models, it wouldn’t work because those characters wear dresses and that won’t work with the Mario or Luigi armature

[fossil token]

I’m just going to not respond

If anyone wants to tell them how bloody hard it is to do player models and crap have fun

[wraith gust]

I already left a comment, what do you think?

[fossil token]

based af

[wide furnace]

couldnt have said it better

[olive owl]

Just be prepared for them to make a cringe reply

[stoic lava]

Best coment my bro

[near aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-laughing-eat-hungry-gif-16118953

[stoic lava]

I Hope a cringe reply im
Because im crazy for bombard his coments

[stoic lava]

Illy, i managed to add the bncl editor in your nsmbe editing the xml, u want it?

The bncl.xml i mean

[fossil token]

?

[near aurora]

????

[stoic lava]

The bncl.xml from the editor ur sent with the cannon actor was missing, i managed to get it back, if you want i can sent the xml for u

[fossil token]

Was that the file that the actor spawner uses?

The file should of had additional actorids going up to 1000 that were all unknown

[stoic lava]

Nop, its the one that makes the nsmbe internal bncl editor (graphic positons) work

Nsmbe 5.4 for some reason dont have it

But 5.4.1 have

So i just added it on it with diferent name

[fossil token]

Oh that’s not important, I have it

[stoic lava]

Wow o thought it was like 100, i looked here its more than 900 lmao

[stoic lava]

Oh oki

[fossil token]

Somethings broken and snow spikes are not spawning

weird

fixed now

there was some corruption

just had to put clean overlay files and arm9.bin/arm9ovt.bin files in

[wraith gust]

Does this have something to do with your totally hypotetical world 9 Illy?

[fossil token]

Maybe :3

[near aurora]

flying shells🤯

sorry for the ping

[fossil token]

Well thats another problem solved

now whats left is the map

[stoic lava]

Can i make the model? Plslslslslslslssl 🥺

[fossil token]

Well it’s going to be world A, not world nine

And depending on how I feel there might be more

The post w8 worlds are meant to be short and actually have story

Because some short slide shows between worlds probably won’t be enough when I get around to it

[fossil token]

oh yeah im getting a lot closer to getting this working btw

[wide furnace]

interesting

[quaint gorge]

what exactly is the bncl editor?

can I get it

[wide furnace]

pretty sure that its also built-in nsmbe 5.4+

[fossil token]

sneak peak of the theme of the first part of w9

I wonder if anybody can guess from the design of one tile

[fossil token]

this is turning out way better then I expected

[wraith gust]

Is it gonna be some sort of apocalyptic/atrophied realm (?)

[fossil token]

pretty close

im taking some inspiration from dark souls aesthetic

[wraith gust]

Ooh, I see, that's nice

[fossil token]

this has taken me two hours

its probably going to be like another eight until I finish this tile set

[wraith gust]

How do you even have the skills and/or patience to draw your own tilesets, I tried to do it once but it looked like garbage, so I gave up

[fossil token]

Im an art kid

My only concern is that the slight red tint will look awful to the people who do not have the same colour blind as me

[tepid temple]

Nah the red tint looks great so far

[wraith gust]

⬆️

[wide furnace]

oh looks nice!!

[near aurora]

I started making art since 5 years old

[fossil token]

it gets killed by nsmb editor

I guess its to dark

this is alright

[wide furnace]

dang :/

it looks good tho!

[near aurora]

Cooked👏

sorry for the ping

[wraith gust]

I don't really see an issue with it, you can probably play with the colors in your image editor so that NSMBe won't mess it up

[fossil token]

this looks nice

now I just need a background

and to finish the tile set

[near aurora]

Amazing

[stoic lava]

We got nsmbds world 9 before newer wii plus 😭 🙏

(Newer wii plus will release in 3984)

[wraith gust]

We got world 9 before GTA 6

[stoic lava]

Nah gta six is going to release next year

Now we're saying "we got X thing before newer Wii plus"

[fossil token]

[near aurora]

Newer DX coming out in 2026 I 100% guaranteed🙏 🗿 💀

[near aurora]

Damn I'm sorry it happen sometimes😭

[fossil token]

I be drawing, waiting for my mum to come home to take me to school

[near aurora]

You have no room to talk

[stoic lava]

And no, newer dx will not going to release, never

Its lava smb but in wii comunity