Artemis I Mission

[sacred agate]

I'm applying for an internship next year, and I plan to work with one of NASA's engineering companies after I get my bachelors' degree

that
that is beautiful

thanks

[neat bobcat]

we're gonna get video of the powered flyby

[mellow crest]

Maybe you'll get to be there for the first humans on Mars then, if you stay long enough?

[neat bobcat]

I plan on making NASA my career

but before then im planning on going military

[mellow crest]

Coolio

[sacred agate]

wait-
the 2030s? we're the same age
what's your plan, then?

[mellow crest]

Space Force?

[neat bobcat]

space force or air force

[mellow crest]

Makes sense

[neat bobcat]

still trying to figure out if I want to be a pilot or not

[sacred agate]

saaame, kinda

[mellow crest]

Damn y'all are ambitious

[neat bobcat]

being a pilot would help me become an astronaut

but getting the military to pay for my Master's degree would help too

[sacred agate]

wait, wait wait-
being an astronaut is your endgame plan too?

[neat bobcat]

ye

[raw abyss]

i should become an ESA astro

[sacred agate]

ayyyy

[mellow crest]

Imma be honest I just like watching this stuff I'm probably gonna be like, a history professor or curator or something since I'm good at that, I suck at STEM in real life lmao

[cedar portal]

🙏

[neat bobcat]

though what's interesting is astro is also kinda not my end game

I plan on doing shit after a career as an astro too

[raw abyss]

first polish astro since the 70s lol

[sacred agate]

makes sense

[neat bobcat]

maybe run for office, or start a company

[mellow crest]

John Glenn moment

[neat bobcat]

being the first congressman to step foot on another world would be cool af

[mellow crest]

I suppose John Glenn didn't get where he did by being modest did he

[neat bobcat]

really shows the extent of American space dominance

my main issue is that my vision sucks

[cedar portal]

AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

[sacred agate]

My heart is a bit wonky, but other than that I'm set

[mellow crest]

Yeah my left eye is fucked and I have intestinal issues lmao

[cedar portal]

It really depends on your correction, you don't need perfect vision to fly

[neat bobcat]

but my eye is correctable

[cedar portal]

Example : Doug Hurley literally having his glasses in orbit

[sacred agate]

I'm not really concerned about the physical requirements, just the intelligence and mindset

Astronauts, stereotypically, are workaholics

I'm definitely not

[mellow crest]

Aren't like 90% of you Autism and ADHD tho

[sacred agate]

you underestimate my ability to be away from the vast majority of the human race

[neat bobcat]

and I might have high cholesterol, don't know if that will affect my chances though

[cedar portal]

I mean you could also become an ESA Parastronaut

[neat bobcat]

I'm not aware of me being Autistic or having ADHD

[sacred agate]

I doubt it would unless it causes a heart condition or smth

[mellow crest]

Fair enough

[cedar portal]

I uhhhh

[sacred agate]

not touching that question..

Barney from the Simpsons.. in Space!

[mellow crest]

Wasn't that literally an actual episode

[sacred agate]

nah that was Homer

[cedar portal]

"I apologize for the metric units, I'll make the conversion for you"

LMAOOOO THIS IS THE MOST AMERICAN SENTENCE I'VE EVER HEARD IN MY WHOLE DAMN LIFE

[mellow crest]

Barney was also in the program with him and got sober. The punch line at the end was that Barney passed flawlessly but then relapsed from the celebratory champagne and Homer was the backup.

[sacred agate]

rip

[sacred agate]

nvm then i sit corrected

i wonder why

wait-
why the hell not?

sociopaths lack empathy, right?

then why wouldn't you put them in a purely scientific and logical environment?

ah, ah k

that's fair

[mellow crest]

Do you want someone with no empathy crammed with like 2 other people and no practical oversight in an unleavable tin can on another planet

[sacred agate]

just clicked for me, sociopaths usually aren't good at making friends

[sacred agate]

my though process was that someone without empathy would be unaffected by tragedy and would be able to make rational decisions where the average person would be crushed by empathy-induced stress

but i forgot that sociopaths aren't sociable people

at least not for the right reasons

..no offense to any sociopaths here

[mellow crest]

The thing though is that empathy can also be a massive motivator, if something really bad happens and you want your crew to live for emotional reasons then you'll work harder to keep them alive and make the mission work.

[sacred agate]

yeah, seems legit

who knew, knowing what emotions are can be a good thing

[mellow crest]

True

Anyway

[ember pulsar]

The omentashi sat is working

That was one of the ones that was dead to start

[neat bobcat]

emotions good

I think i may be too emotional

its just pain

[long epoch]

E-8 is legendary

[neat bobcat]

https://spacenews.com/white-house-congress-praise-long-delayed-first-sls-launch/

Congressional support seems to be still high

[raw abyss]

https://youtu.be/w8H6qLBy6TA

great video

[long epoch]

Offense taken

Uh I mean what

[mellow crest]

any high quality videos from Orion yet

[cedar portal]

No, we only got the two videos above

and also another video of the ICPS with the Core Stage falling back to Earth in the background

and solar panels deployment

[somber plaza]

So the same as the livestream

[cedar portal]

Technically no considering that during the livestream it was very laggy

but yeah

[split marlin]

someone edited free bird to the artemis launch

amazing

anyone want the yt link'

?

[cedar portal]

lmaoo

why not

[mellow crest]

Yes

[split marlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l71ylcADeSs

not me sending it an hour later

[ember pulsar]

That is what I have been waiting for

[final arch]

https://fxtwitter.com/tj_cooney/status/1593781952456294401

Moon seen from Orion

[final arch]

Orion Moves Solar Arrays

https://images.nasa.gov/details-Timelapse__SOLAR_ARRAYS_ISO_Artemis_I_Launch_Rocket_Cam_2-

[empty coyote]

embed

[lone pelican]

how are they yet to fix that ngMeta stuff

[final arch]

https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/KSC-20221116-PH-CLC03_0057/KSC-20221116-PH-CLC03_0057~orig.jpg

https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/KSC-20221116-PH-CLC01_0033/KSC-20221116-PH-CLC01_0033~orig.jpg

https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/KSC-20221116-PH-CLC02_0056/KSC-20221116-PH-CLC02_0056~orig.jpg

https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/KSC-20221116-PH-CLC02_0002/KSC-20221116-PH-CLC02_0002~orig.jpg

https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/KSC-20221116-PH-CLC03_0061/KSC-20221116-PH-CLC03_0061~orig.jpg

https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/KSC-20221116-PH-CLC01_0002/KSC-20221116-PH-CLC01_0002~orig.jpg

https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/KSC-20221116-PH-CLC04_0043/KSC-20221116-PH-CLC04_0043~orig.jpg

https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/KSC-20221116-PH-CLC03_0055/KSC-20221116-PH-CLC03_0055~orig.jpg

https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/KSC-20221116-PH-CLC02_0053/KSC-20221116-PH-CLC02_0053~orig.jpg

https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/KSC-20221116-PH-CLC02_0060/KSC-20221116-PH-CLC02_0060~orig.jpg

[flat jackal]

best shot

new background

[worn seal]

Agreed

[final arch]

https://blogs.nasa.gov/artemis/wp-content/uploads/sites/303/2022/11/Orion-and-Moon-FD3-1024x547.png

Full video

[cedar portal]

the video doesn't seem to work

[final arch]

Now?

Over the past few days, a team assessed anomalous star tracker data that correlated with thruster firings. Star trackers are sensitive cameras that take pictures of the star field around Orion. By comparing the pictures to its built-in map of stars, the star tracker can determine which way Orion is oriented. Teams now understand the readings and there are no operational changes.

Images from CubeSat ArgoMoon

[long flume]

Cool earth pic

Moon pic is a bit eeh

Will be cool to see the closeups when Orion passes by

[safe cave]

it’s a flight test

small anomalies happen

it’s not a danger to the rest of the flight

it was found and fixed

[rocky basin]

not sure why basically

[mellow crest]

star trackers though exhaust was stars

[cedar portal]

Videos of the launch as seen from spectators a few miles from the launch pad are fucking insane

It feels like it's daytime even though it was almost 2am

[valid dock]

Big Bright Ball

[rocky basin]

this is what happens when you light the two biggest solid rocket motors ever flown

[valid dock]

If you light big sticks you got big ball

[neat bobcat]

differences between A1 and A2 Orion

[rocky basin]

3000 more pounds of propellant (about 1.4 tons) and 2500 more pounds (about 1.1 tons) of “other stuff”

I imagine that 1.1 tons includes life support, occupants, accommodations, and experiments

apparently the LES also weighs like five hundred pounds more on Artemis II?

since the discrepancy is 6000 instead of 5500

[neat bobcat]

Have to remember propellant burn could account for the 500lbs less

[mellow crest]

Wasn't the LES on Artemis I not actually functional?

[neat bobcat]

The abort motor was inert

But shouldn’t have made it weigh less cause of mass sun

*sim

[mellow crest]

Gotcha

[rocky basin]

or that, has to be extra propellant burned between liftoff and TMI

[neat bobcat]

It has to do a perigee raise iirc

also have to remember it’s finishing TLI

[cedar portal]

Holy fucking shit

Tim Dodd's SLS vids

THIS IS LITERALLY THE SUN

Oh my fucking god

[flat jackal]

well a lot of people underestimated the srb brightness

[cedar portal]

Yeah but like wow

[mellow crest]

You know, possibly dumb question, but why was the abort motor made inert? I ask because if Artemis I had failed, as bad as that would have been, wouldn't that have been a great opportunity to test the abort motors? They could say to Congress "Yes, it failed, but it also would have been 100% survivable if crew were onboard. We've demonstrated that even in event of failure it's a safe system." to help secure the program's future in that scenario.

[rocky basin]

I asked this a while back, but they just said that the escape system wasn’t part of what they wanted to test with Artemis I

It’s really good that it didn’t blow given that decision

[mellow crest]

Yeah

[safe cave]

it’s more money that they didn’t have to spend

[cedar portal]

I only want night launches now

[safe cave]

they’ve already had multiple LAS tests they didn’t need to spend money for another one

[neat bobcat]

Saved costs, plus abort motor had already been extensively tested

They also didn’t want to risk of an abort motor going off early

Thinking about it actually saved quite a bit of Monday

*money

[safe cave]

if it did wouldn’t they want to find that out now tho lol

everything else makes sense but i don’t get that

[neat bobcat]

Let’s say you’re having a nominal flight

But something accidently triggers the abort motor

There goes your mission that was going perfectly because a line of code or a sensor went bad

Even though everything was perfectly fine

[mellow crest]

Yeah but also if that was gonna happen wouldn't you want it to happen on a mission without crew

[mellow crest]

This makes sense though

[neat bobcat]

There are two sides to the coin

While yes you want it to happen on an uncrewed flight

But you want to get as much flight data as possible on an uncrewed first flight as well

[mellow crest]

Yeah fair

Hot take but maybe you shouldn't put crew on a rocket on its second launch

[neat bobcat]

better than putting it on a first flight with 0 abort system

[mellow crest]

Moment

Honestly 2 uncrewed flights would probably be the minimum for me

[neat bobcat]

At least now Artemis I has proven that SLS is a pretty safe rocket now

[mellow crest]

Don't jinx it

[neat bobcat]

Well Orion has met that requirement

[hallow lance]

I mean, SLS seems to have the largest liftoff thrust of any rocket flown ever successfully through 1st stage flight...
Saturn V: 35.1 MN
Space Shuttle: 31.25 MN
Energia: 34.8 MN
(Falcon Heavy: 22.1 MN)
SLS: 36.64 MN
(N1: 45.4 MN, but see below)
[Starship/Super-Heavy: 75.9 MN]

https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1594016005889482753

Cosmic Penguin (@Cosmic_Penguin)

@jaek_walshxx @NASA_Nerd @NASASpaceflight To be fair, the N1 never managed to have all 1st stage engines working properly:

1st lost 2 engines a few s in; all shut down at T+68s
2nd shutdown T+10s; fell back on pad and blew up
3rd disintegrated T+50s
4th (planned) shutdown 6 engines caused stress & disintegrated T+107s

Twitter · Nov 19, 2022, 5:13 PM

[mellow crest]

True I suppose. I guess it's excusable with an abort motor since, well, you can abort.

[neat bobcat]

Yeah

And the abort motor has been successful throughout all of its tests

[mellow crest]

I think I read somewhere it's cost related

Seriously though why the hell did they put crew on STS-1

[neat bobcat]

Already went over that

[mellow crest]

What did anyone have to gain from that

[neat bobcat]

because uh

No idea

I think it was because we didn’t want to trust a computer landing there thing

[mellow crest]

one time they wanted to make Shuttle unmanned but some astronauts INSISTED it remained manned.

[safe cave]

if that’s a vulnerability shouldn’t we find it now?

[safe cave]

true

[neat bobcat]

It would’ve been caught the same on Artemis I, just it wouldn’t you know destroy the flight

[urban basin]

It also doesn't help that in the 70s there was only a single plane capable of fully autonomous flight

[mellow crest]

From a quick Google it seems that the logic was to avoid an uncrewed flight possibly crashing into populated areas of California under the flight path to Edwards AFB. I guess the logic was that it'd be better to possibly kill a small number of astronauts who know the risks on a failed launch than to possibly kill several hundred random civilians due to a computer error on landing. Buran was able to avoid this because Kazakhstan is fucking empty.

A lot of Shuttle decisions were made by politics, and non-engineers. That's why it's such a disastrous rocket

[neat bobcat]

Oh the woes of being a slightly more densely populated country

[mellow crest]

Yeah true

Moment

[neat bobcat]

Anyways, we’re so close to Orion entering Lunar SOI

[mellow crest]

Also shuttle was believed to be very safe

[long epoch]

Heheheh

Ahahahah

Lol

[mellow crest]

“it’s as safe as an airplane and we don’t test airplanes uncrewed.”

[long epoch]

Almost had a LOCV on STS-1, STS-27R, actually had two with STS-51L and STS-107 and we're still continuing to make the same mistakes as shuttle (though fewer in number luckily)

I wish we got the Path B kerolox S1 SLS :/

[rocky basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/642821338700054559/1043593400768790718/art001e000092_FD1_interior_orig.jpg

[raw abyss]

sorry, kerolox SLS core stage?

[safe cave]

gotcha

[long epoch]

Well, it'd be a very different vehicle. Much more closely related to the Saturn V

[neat bobcat]

there was a concept path that had SLS being a remastered Saturn V essentially

[long epoch]

Go watch the Eric Gunnerson video

It's great

[raw abyss]

great heavens

[neat bobcat]

there was also a concept path that had SLS being the hellspawn of Atlas or Delta

[long epoch]

https://youtu.be/ZNZx208bw0g

[raw abyss]

ooooh

[mellow crest]

Yeah they wanted to make a kerolox SLS but in the end the current SLS proposals won out because it's built on "Shuttle heritage" and this would have, they said, reduced the cost

[raw abyss]

I'll watch later

[long epoch]

It's long but soooo worth it

[raw abyss]

yea this seems very interesting

[neat bobcat]

wouldn't say wanted

all 3 proposals were being looked into

its quite possible the kerolox path would've costed much more to develop than what we currently have considering it would be completely from scratch

[raw abyss]

core stage with F-1s

[neat bobcat]

anyways

[mellow crest]

chances are it it was anything like Saturn V the production cost would've been much lower than SLS

[long epoch]

Well, Saturn V launches were cheap because they frontloaded the dev costs

[neat bobcat]

if it was anything like Saturn V it would've costed 60 billion to develop

[long epoch]

It's not really an apples to apples comparison

[mellow crest]

they wouldn't have to reinvent the moon rocket. They just had to redesign it a bit so be manufacturable using more modern methonds

[neat bobcat]

Thats way oversimplifying it

J-2X and F-1B we’re already attempts at that and that was already pretty difficult

[long epoch]

J-2X was moving backwards

Reject modernized GG, return to tap-off J-2S

Complete with throttle, more relights and Idle Mode

[safe cave]

https://twitter.com/joroulette/status/1593742697965277185?s=20&t=RWljlaRz7O3LIvEmBgVsWA

Joey Roulette (@joroulette)

Per source, the pad damage exceeded mission management’s expectations. Elevator blast doors were blown right off, various pipes were broken, some large sheets of metal left laying around.

Likes

232

Twitter · Nov 18, 2022, 11:07 PM

[long epoch]

Yep, supposedly shit thrown over half a mile

Ares 1-X II: Test Flight Boogaloo

[mellow crest]

Cope

[somber plaza]

Gotta love the reaction of people to this vs how they would react if it were SpaceX

"well of course it is A LOT of thrust so you gotta expect some damage"

People don't get the part where it says that it exceeded expectations

[neat bobcat]

I find the blast doors part the funniest

[mellow crest]

The difference is that NASA doesn't keep people standing 2 feet from the pad while this is happening lmao

But yeah

[somber plaza]

And when you point that out most people go out and say "well you know until you actually launch it you can't know exactly these things" ahhh so you mean it needed a test flight to find out stuff that was off from expected values! Like any other company out there!

[mellow crest]

well if something fails with NASA it's worse than if it fails with SpaceX

[long epoch]

There's double standards on both sides but it is especially bad when coming from the Shelby Lunch System fans

The difference is they had a decade to figure this shit out, and spent so long supposedly so they'd get everything right the first time

What a shock, they didn't

[mellow crest]

Why do you guys have to rip each other apart about this lmao

[neat bobcat]

no idea

[mellow crest]

Rockets cool, 'nuff said

[neat bobcat]

rocket flew, worked, sent Orion to Moon

me - happy

[long epoch]

Rockets that are a net drain on our spaceflight ambitions are not

[neat bobcat]

that's a personal opinion

[long epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-jan-if-you-say-so-whatever-do-gif-12806724

[neat bobcat]

we have a crew capsule going to the Moon rn and you say its a drain on our spaceflight ambitions

[mellow crest]

'Ate Congress. 'Ate Musk. Lus SLS. Luv Starship. 'Nuff said.

[vale stirrup]

cope

[mellow crest]

So what else are they gonna do then. Practically I mean. What politically and economically viable alternative is there to Artemis right now that we could reasonably switch to under current conditions. Besides the hypothetical world where Congress is magically going to stop wanting money in Huntsville and agree to give Starship the whole mission for no reason other than efficiency, which has no bearing whatsoever on the government as it currently exists. What are we actually gonna do besides SLS to get crews back to the Moon with NASA money by the end of the 2020s. Where is that money gonna go besides hookers for Joe Manchin.

[valid dock]

cope

[rocky basin]

that indeed is one of the big reasons why they didn’t go with RAC-2, there would have been a more clean-sheet development, and so higher costs up front despite expected lower incremental costs.

[hallow lance]

HOLY CRAB
TIL Ross Tierney and most of the DIRECT team members managed to really see their Jupiter-241 Stretched Heavy fly at the KSC Saturn V Center!

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=55669.msg2430958#msg2430958

I’m so, so happy with this. DIRECT got me to start reading NSF forums around Summer of 2008 (yes, it was that long, we might have teens here who wasn’t even born back then). That’s a freaking long time ago!

[valid dock]

Pretty pog

[long epoch]

In an ideal world in 2010 we would've recognized that building a single SHLV in the dumbest way possible (expendable hydrolox sustainer with solids & based around Shuttle components) is, well, dumb, and would've given the money to ULA and do multi-launch with DIVH and AV for ~1/2 the cost

[rocky basin]

I’m sure it was very gratifying for them to see the fruit of their efforts

[rocky basin]

you have a very poor imagination if you can’t think of any dumber way to do that.

[mellow crest]

In an ideal world I'd be surrounded by supermodels and have a private jet. We don't live there.

[plush quest]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-coping-cope-more-seethe-seathe-gif-25429136

[vale stirrup]

miranda do you like being irritated 24/7 about sls when you know you can just, leave this channel and live a happy life

[plush quest]

That is me, reacting live

[long epoch]

Not really

[vale stirrup]

then leave the channel

[rocky basin]

well.

[long epoch]

On both counts

[vale stirrup]

and live a happy life

[long epoch]

What's that

What a fucking concept

[vale stirrup]

ok a less sad life then

[long epoch]

A life with slightly less government corruption and a viable space exploration program would fit that bill

[vale stirrup]

just

leave america

problem solved

[long epoch]

WHAT, DO YOU THINK I WANT TO BE HERE OR SOMETHING

[plush quest]

I hate brexit

[vale stirrup]

this isnt gonna end anywhere except people hating on you because of you hating on your government

[plush quest]

Mfs took away palmer

[vale stirrup]

but you noticed that already

[valid dock]

Everyone does

Palmer

[vale stirrup]

if not, you're an idiot and you just keep doing this for negative attention

[neat bobcat]

if the state of your emotion in life is dependent on the government and the space exploration programs of the United States

than you need help

[long epoch]

Fuck this.

[neat bobcat]

LMAO

LMAOOOOO

HOLSDGOUISHVNP(SEUHFBNPSIDFJ:

[gritty scroll]

Did Miranda leave

[neat bobcat]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[cedar portal]

Yeah I was literally 4 years old

[plush quest]

Certified isopod moment

[gritty scroll]

https://twitter.com/TJ_Cooney/status/1594049416675020800?t=SkK9RMmsB6e599qYL8vKZA&s=19

TJ Cooney 🚀🇺🇦 (@TJ_Cooney)

Orion’s optical navigation camera is now tracking the moon.

Twitter · Nov 19, 2022, 7:26 PM

[vale stirrup]

yoooooo

[urban basin]

Anyways, back to Artemis I

[vale stirrup]

when 24/7 orion stream

[neat bobcat]

Artemis II

[gritty scroll]

Snoopy

[vale stirrup]

i want it now

[gritty scroll]

Too bad

Wait until 2024

Btw will SLS ever launch interplanetary probes?

[neat bobcat]

depends

production capacity is being organized to be able to support the demand for it if necessary

but that well

[vale stirrup]

reeee

[neat bobcat]

depends on probes choosing to take advantage of SLS capability

[mellow crest]

Hahaha I'm older than you cope

[cedar portal]

[plush quest]

Lol

Freaking toddlers

[neat bobcat]

I'm debating if we should make an Artemis Program forum

[urban basin]

I think the current launch date is May 2024; however, that depends on how well Artemis I turns out and how fast they can get some of A1's capsule hardware into A2. (Lockheed Martin says they are trying to reduce the time it takes to do that.) May 2024 or even slightly earlier seems earlier doable to me.

[gritty scroll]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neptune_Odyssey?wprov=sfla1

[neat bobcat]

current launch date has for sure slipped from May 2024

[vale stirrup]

ha i was 8 back then

[gritty scroll]

Neptune Odyssey proposed using SLS

[mellow crest]

There was a proposal to launch a large probe to the edge of the interstellar medium with SLS, where Voyager 1 is now, not sure what happened to it though.

[plush quest]

Dude I can fantasize me being there for A2 and missing my commencement

[urban basin]

Europa Clipper was going to launch on SLS

[neat bobcat]

still a concept

[mellow crest]

Makes sense

[urban basin]

But they moved it to Falcon Heavy and it's going to take half a decade longer to get out there

[neat bobcat]

now that SLS has launched and proven itself though, I do expect more probe proposals to pop up and take advantage of SLS's capability

[mellow crest]

The question is whether "probe proposals" becomes "probes" TBH

[neat bobcat]

indeed

I remember when there was a single launch MSR proposal

[gritty scroll]

"Although the SLS is only confirmed for use on the first few Artemis missions, many NASA mission concept studies for robotic missions planned to launch on the SLS, such as: Neptune Odyssey, Europa Lander, Enceladus Orbilander, Persephone, HabEx, Origins Space Telescope, LUVOIR, Lynx, and Interstellar probe."

[valid dock]

I was uuuuh old

[hallow lance]

Europa Lander, if it ever flies, might use it
The next NASA flagship planetary mission to be developed, the Uranus orbiter and entry probe, is baselined on an expendable Falcon Heavy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranus_Orbiter_and_Probe?wprov=sfti1

[somber plaza]

2025*

[gritty scroll]

It will probe deep into Uranus

[urban basin]

I always thought that probes could take more advantage of super-heavy lift capability to get out there quick. Yes it is more expensive but you can do more science out there for longer since your taking significantly less time to get out there.

[somber plaza]

The problem is NASA does not have the money for it to be more expensive

Specially with flagship missions

[plush quest]

What’s the name of the thing? I want to do some more reading on it

[safe cave]

i mean, state of emotion based on what the government is doing esp when it comes to trans ppl is kinda a valid thing, but the rest of it is dumb

[somber plaza]

NGRST is already overbudget for example and it's not even like super revolutionary or anything but it doesn't help that COVID and supply chain issues happened

[gritty scroll]

Wasn't Starship proposed to launch LUVOIR

[mellow crest]

Lukewarm take but I don't see SLS launching anything other than Artemis missions anywhere in the near or medium-term future. This isn't to say anything in particular about SLS, I just don't see any probes large and/or fast enough to require it being approved, and if they are then the other huge rocket with a name starting with S will probably be cheaper for them (even if it proves to reach nowhere near the costs X is claiming it will).

[gritty scroll]

"Interstellar probe"

[neat bobcat]

the smaller LUVOIR yeah

[somber plaza]

That was just a study to see if it could fit it

[gritty scroll]

Just a sec I'll get it

[plush quest]

There’s a smaller one?

[gritty scroll]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstellar_Probe_(spacecraft)?wprov=sfla1

[plush quest]

Slay, thank you very much

[somber plaza]

Like many studies, they tend to baseline or look at some specific rockets. Most of the big probes are looking at SLS Block 2 as baseline since that's what they're guiding for as a target in many of their studies like trajectory, mass budget, etc

But it doesn't necessarily mean they'll use that rocket, just that kind of capability

[valid dock]

LUVOIR B

[neat bobcat]

two versions

one that fully capitalizes on Block 2 capabilities

[gritty scroll]

The interesting thing is that it can encounter some TNOs

[neat bobcat]

and one that is designed for something like Falcon Heavy

[somber plaza]

And the same mission can change the baseline as well. Dragonfly's original study baselined it on an Atlas V 421 but now that heavier rockets are cheaper and more accessible their baseline is Falcon Heavy and New Glenn

[gritty scroll]

Something only New Horizons has done

[mellow crest]

Dragonfly is so based

We stan a queen

[plush quest]

Neat! Thought that luvoir A was all there was

[urban basin]

If I recall correctly there was language in the request for proposal to contract out SLS operation to a private company after A4 (In the same way NASA contracted out Space Shuttle operations to United Space Alliance.) that said that NASA intends to scale up SLS production to two per year with one for Artemis and the other for other programs.

So SLS being used for non-Artemis programs is certainly possible.

[mellow crest]

Fair

[rocky basin]

one hundred and five tons of spy satellite coming right up

[urban basin]

DOD also said they were looking into the possibility of using SLS

[neat bobcat]

makes sense considering the DoD wants to expand its domain of operations all the way out to at least the Moon

[urban basin]

Polyus 2: American Edition

[rocky basin]

I wish we could tell them to fuck off but oh well

[mellow crest]

Perhaps the only space launch I'm legitimately glad failed to reach orbit.

[rocky basin]

"

[mellow crest]

You know I get that this is one of those questions that's been asked repeatedly asked since before Apollo but... what does the DoD want on the Moon exactly? Nothing is there except other spacecraft to spy on and blow up, there's literally no strategic value to military operations beyond high Earth orbit whatsoever for anyone.

[gritty scroll]

Which is why conspiracy theories of the CIA have bases on the moon are stupid

[mellow crest]

Yeah

[gritty scroll]

In for all mankind

[mellow crest]

FaM lore incoming

[gritty scroll]

The only reason the moon was militarized was because Soviets have a permanent presence there

[mellow crest]

Yeah

[neat bobcat]

because the possibility of the United States having permanent assets on the Moon, it is the responsibility of the US Space Force to ensure the safety of those assets

[mellow crest]

Yeah I suppose

[gritty scroll]

I could see a scenario where a country says "you know what, I want to become a space empire"

[neat bobcat]

as well as continuing the monitoring of space traffic already done in Earth orbit

[gritty scroll]

Actually claim territory on the moon

[neat bobcat]

because rn there's no system specifically meant to track the location of spacecraft around the Moon

[rocky basin]

yikes

it’s American imperialism, but in space

[neat bobcat]

isn't imperialism since there's no countries in space to bully

[mellow crest]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-walter-falling-breaking-bad-dm4uz3-gif-18078549

[neat bobcat]

its expansionism

[mellow crest]

Ryan when he finds out that the space program has had military applications since literally WW2 (the US military is unbased)

[rocky basin]

Do I look like I support or have ever supported the militarisation of space

[mellow crest]

No

[rocky basin]

good point, expansionism

which as a national policy is still destructive toward any uses for the good of humanity of course

but yeah no other countries to bully, we’re just making sure we have the ability to bully other countries once they get there

[gritty scroll]

The Space Launch System (SLS) is an American super heavy-lift expendable launch vehicle developed by NASA starting in 2011. As of 16 November, it's the most powerful rocket to launch succesfully, with 8.8 million pounds of thrust. The first launch, designated Artemis 1, occurred on November 16, 2022, from Kennedy Space Center. It replaces the Ares I and Ares V launch vehicles, which were cancelled along with the rest of the Constellation program, a previous program aimed to return to the Moon.

[neat bobcat]

It’s amazing how much farther along Artemis is compared to Constellation

Especially considering Artemis turns 4 next year

[mellow crest]

Damn

[mellow crest]

Wait didn't Artemis start in 2017

[neat bobcat]

2019

2017 is when NASA's goal was focused on the Moon, 2019 was when Artemis as a program was created and locked down the focus

[mellow crest]

Ah gotcha

[mellow crest]

Yeah there are a number of qualms I have with Jim Bridenstine's history but he did do a hell of a job running NASA

[raw abyss]

https://twitter.com/TJ_Cooney/status/1594049416675020800

TJ Cooney 🚀🇺🇦 (@TJ_Cooney)

Orion’s optical navigation camera is now tracking the moon.

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Twitter · Nov 19, 2022, 7:26 PM

[finite nacelle]

https://twitter.com/NASA/status/1594075766840516610

NASA (@NASA)

Just days from reaching the Moon, the @NASA_Orion spacecraft captured this selfie while flying through space.

The #Artemis I mission is preparing us to bring astronauts to the Moon. https://t.co/uQaCgAXaUm

Twitter · Nov 19, 2022, 9:10 PM

[cedar portal]

OH YES

[raw abyss]

LETS GO

[worn seal]

🥵

[raw abyss]

We Are Going!

[worn seal]

This pic goes HARD

I'm definitely screenshoting

[valid dock]

Hot pic

[worn seal]

The rules do say no porn

But I'll let that slide

[raw abyss]

good

[cedar portal]

@valid dock My reaction when I saw the pic :

[raw abyss]

france noises

[cedar portal]

"WHY THE FUCK DO I HAVE A BONER ???"

[mellow crest]

Least horny rainbow message

[raw abyss]

i lost

[neat bobcat]

https://twitter.com/NASAArtemis/status/1594090801943891968?s=20&t=MKtS-ThAPjpxJjk2IOes6g

NASA Artemis (@NASAArtemis)

Spacecraft get selfies, too.

While teams performed a checkout on the @NASA_Orion spacecraft, these images were captured of the outside of the vehicle.

The #Artemis I mission is just a couple days from reaching the Moon: https://t.co/7Y3o8TGU3C

Twitter · Nov 19, 2022, 10:10 PM

@cedar portal

[cedar portal]

I'm going to go nuts

This is literally a crew-rated spacecraft taking selfies of itself on its way to the Moon

I just can't believe what I'm currently seeing

[rocky basin]

this is real worm hours

[neat bobcat]

and Miranda would say "This is a drain on our spaceflight ambitions"

[rocky basin]

talking a lotta smack now that she’s gone

[neat bobcat]

I have talked smack direct to her face

[somber plaza]

My "I'm going nuts moment" is when we see those selfies with a person doing the selfie

You know like EVA style

[cedar portal]

I can't wait to see how many millions of STEM careers are going to be influenced by the Artemis program

Young people are going to be so fucking inspired

Literally Apollo but in 2022

[mellow crest]

less than have been influenced by SpaceX

[cedar portal]

It's going to be something else when we actually start landing on the Moon with Artemis III and all

[mellow crest]

when people see the massive SS on the surface of the moon

[neat bobcat]

call it something pther than SS lmao

[rocky basin]

why do you have to make that a contest? They’re both part of that.

[cedar portal]

(I still think that SS is a very horrible choice for an acronym)

[rocky basin]

also yes this

[cedar portal]

[mellow crest]

anyway

[cedar portal]

but yeah

We live in crazy times for spaceflight

and I can't wait to see what's next

[mellow crest]

When people see the massive Starship erect and glittering on the lunar surface amid the chaotic sharp rocks they will be inclined to join SpaceX

[ember pulsar]

We have Terran 1, starship, Ariane 6, Vulcan, etc it really is an exciting time with so many new launch vehicles coming into the market

[cedar portal]

Ariane 6

https://tenor.com/view/daeth-funi-periflight-dies-from-gif-22212023

[mellow crest]

sorry for shilling SpaceX so much

[ember pulsar]

It’s fine everyone has there own opinions

[cedar portal]

yeah

[ember pulsar]

There’s no need to apologize about what you think

[cedar portal]

It's fine, I just think that it's going to be a broader movement than just SpaceX alone

Everyone will want to work in STEM-related fields and of course spaceflight

Like

"Oh my god, we can actually do crazy stuff like that ????"

"I WANT TO BE PART OF IT"

[rocky basin]

no no there is a need to apologise for that specifically

[ember pulsar]

That’s literally how I got involved lmao

[neat bobcat]

eh

there's gonna be a big old NASA on it too

as well as Artemis logos

I doubt SpaceX would be singled out as much as you think

OMG

@cedar portal

[valid dock]

Those panels are beautiful

Lunar ATV

[rocky basin]

look at the thrusters

[mellow crest]

I have a feeling that if Twitter still exists in 2028, which I doubt, then the people who do single out SpaceX might not do it as positively as some expect, while the majority of people who are happy just think "oh wow we went to the Moon again."

[somber plaza]

There's so many conspiracies out there about the government trying to stop SpaceX, I'm getting so sick of it. If it all is still around by 2028 and people still calling that out I swear I'm gonna start shooting left right and center

[mellow crest]

Weird Elon stans will praise it as a massive achievement for SpaceX above all else, misguided Twitter leftists will say that we should cancel Artemis just because Elon's name is on it, and a majority of regular people will not give the time of day to either of those viewpoints as usual.

[rocky basin]

yeah the government usually is more concerned with keeping the underclass suppressed and enforcing capitalist norms on people than trying to make itself look good compared to industry

[mellow crest]

Something something right-wing persecution fetish

That's honestly all it is

[cedar portal]

I fucking can't wait for Monday's flyby

I'm thinking about the Earth Rise views we'll get

And I just can't wait

[neat bobcat]

https://vxtwitter.com/chitincanopener/status/1593769761204207618

[final arch]

https://twitter.com/JimFree/status/1594119261513207808

Jim Free (@JimFree)

We polled GO today to send @NASA_Orion on a powered fly-by approximately 80 miles above the surface of the Moon! Tune in to coverage of the maneuver on Monday, Nov 21 at 7:15 AM ET on https://t.co/olv5xmIEoG.

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400

Twitter · Nov 20, 2022, 12:03 AM

Go Go Go

[worn seal]

80 MILES?

the images are going to be STUNNING

[safe cave]

https://twitter.com/dominickmatthew/status/1594124559946768384?s=20&t=jD5dL5Ks_DQe3Kbs2tux5Q

Matthew Dominick (@dominickmatthew)

1/ I swung by the @NASA_Orion mission control room yesterday . . . I quipped “Are we there yet?” The flight director retorted back in his best Dad voice, “I’ll have you know we have a procedure to turn this spaceship around and GO back to earth right now!”

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183

Twitter · Nov 20, 2022, 12:24 AM

https://twitter.com/dominickmatthew/status/1594124664720490496?s=20&t=RO6ckF4_kRLl-2xTEwm7lQ

Matthew Dominick (@dominickmatthew)

2/ The flight direct then added, “And for that matter we can also fly past the moon without slowing down and head back to Earth. You hear me!?”

Twitter · Nov 20, 2022, 12:25 AM

[urban basin]

hahaha

[flat jackal]

https://twitter.com/tj_cooney/status/1594196504440365057

TJ Cooney 🚀🇺🇦 (@TJ_Cooney)

I found snoopy but he looks stuck ☹️

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390

Twitter · Nov 20, 2022, 5:10 AM

[lone pelican]

wasn't shaun the sheep meant to be on this or something

oh he's the astronaut

[final arch]

Artemis I Update:
https://blogs.nasa.gov/artemis/2022/11/19/artemis-i-flight-day-four-testing-wifi-signals-radiator-system-go-for-outbound-powered-flyby/

[gritty scroll]

Party lights

[ember pulsar]

Morse code

[gritty scroll]

Translated it

Just gibberish

[mellow crest]

why does the window look dirty

[gritty scroll]

Idk

Maybe it has something to do with the atmosphere inside orion

[ember pulsar]

If you reverse it spells Charlie

Possibly a refence to Charlie Blackwell Thompson

[gritty scroll]

Fuck

I could've been the first person to know that

I missed my chance

[gritty scroll]

I translated it a couple of minutes after it was posted

[ember pulsar]

Credit to smart people for figuring out to reverse it

Also just to note NASA did say there would be Easter eggs in the capsule

[rocky basin]

me, I am the smart person, all credit to me

[long epoch]

no

[rocky basin]

I did figure out to reverse it tho 😔

[gritty scroll]

This message above me, fish react it

[rocky basin]

I have been fish reacted

[visual knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-react-fish-react-him-thanos-gif-26859685

[cedar portal]

https://fxtwitter.com/NASAArtemis/status/1594440842197880832

BABE WAKE UP

NEW ARTEMIS ONE FOOTAGE JUST DROPPED

[urban basin]

I AM AWAKE

[lone pelican]

Orio

[cedar portal]

MOON IN SIGHT MY CAPTAIN

[lone pelican]

full orbital mechanic speed ahead!

[mellow crest]

any high quality Orion videos on nasa.gov yet?

[neat bobcat]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/nasaorion/52513647068/

uncompressed

@cedar portal

[cedar portal]

Nice

[final arch]

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1594475307142184961?t=-uht

Jeff Foust (@jeff_foust)

Latest Artemis 1 update from NASA notes they have two anomaly resolution teams active, one dealing with a star tracker issue (different from the dazzling previously reported) and another working on a solar array power unit. Neither seems major. https://t.co/DgW5nI2I6K

Twitter · Nov 20, 2022, 11:38 PM

[final arch]

https://twitter.com/pedromira848/status/1594439904481656832

Pedro (@pedromira848)

Check out that AJ10 gimbal

Twitter · Nov 20, 2022, 9:17 PM

[ancient flax]

this was the first time an RL10 engine has flown from LC-39

[safe cave]

https://twitter.com/OMOTENASHI_JAXA/status/1594496315261534209?s=20&t=8KtkanloJseiDLuTRo2q5A

OMOTENASHI Project (@OMOTENASHI_JAXA)

みなさま、応援ありがとうございます。残念ながら、
現在、探査機からの電波は受信できていません。

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588

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184

Twitter · Nov 21, 2022, 1:02 AM

fuck

https://twitter.com/OMOTENASHI_JAXA/status/1594499004532142081?s=20&t=ySN2c-QAslFDTkwQIvEu2Q

OMOTENASHI Project (@OMOTENASHI_JAXA)

今日の夜中までが月面着陸についてはラストチャンスになります。長期戦になる覚悟も必要ですが、今晩までは着陸について万全の準備をしていきます。

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847

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212

Twitter · Nov 21, 2022, 1:12 AM

[plush quest]

Not omotenashi

[empty coyote]

Snoopy is in there no?

[plush quest]

Yall seen the cosmic perspective video on this one?

God the sound is pure bliss

[safe cave]

haven’t

link pls

[ancient flax]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWR5tFgJKIQ

[bold drum]

wait, live coverage starts at 10:15 UTC?

[valid dock]

https://youtu.be/BvWtNx3VOUA

[empty coyote]

Holy it's at mon

[valid dock]

Yes

It is

[empty coyote]

I still love this pair of images

[somber plaza]

[long flume]

Flat moon

I hope they put some epic high res cameras on there

Would be nice to get some new pics from the back side of the moon

[empty coyote]

When land camera on moon

[long flume]

That would be pretty cool. Drop a gopro and some solars down there and have a 24/7 stream of earth from the moons surface

[empty coyote]

DUDE

That would be wild

[mellow crest]

https://twitter.com/explorer_flight/status/1594647403243896833

Zebulon Scoville (@Explorer_Flight)

Discovered yesterday that DSN 34meter dishes can handle greater bandwidth than previously analyzed so this will allow more live video streaming and imagery downlink. https://t.co/lIjS6xVHLb will start carrying the feed at all times (sorry there will still be some gaps).

Twitter · Nov 21, 2022, 11:02 AM

[empty coyote]

?

Oh this is Artemis thread

[long flume]

yes

Its getting really close now

3.65k miles

I think it will be there in about an hour

[empty coyote]

I sleep then

[vapid oar]

[pastel horizon]

bye earth

[long flume]

We are so lucky to have such a pretty blue moon for our rock

[cedar portal]

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1594669396785389570?t=ES_M5Vh5pBHNRFHmmU_yyQ&s=19

Jeff Foust (@jeff_foust)

Loss of signal as Orion goes behind the Moon as seen from Earth. The outbound powers flyby maneuver will take place during this 34-minute blackout period.

Twitter · Nov 21, 2022, 12:29 PM

🫡

[flat jackal]

[neat bobcat]

https://twitter.com/cbs_spacenews/status/1594669095253086208

William Harwood (@cbs_spacenews)

SLS/Artemis 1: Orion passed behind the moon and out of contact with flight controllers at 7:25am (1225 UTC); this is an expected 34-minute comms dropout; the 2.5-minute OPF rocket firing is expected at 7:44am; recontact/confirmation expected when comms restored at 7:59am

Twitter · Nov 21, 2022, 12:28 PM

[flat jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/wawa-cat-wawa-oh-the-misery-cat-discord-gif-25805976

[neat bobcat]

APS

*APS

*AOS

[final arch]

nice view

[gritty scroll]

It's beautiful

Pale blue dot

[cedar portal]

LET'S

FUCKING

GO

This is fucking beautiful

[pastel horizon]

oh hi earth

[ember pulsar]

Hello 8 billion people on that small sphere in the distance

[cedar portal]

8 billions humans on this tiny itty-bitty planet

this is just

[ember pulsar]

Crazy

[flat jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/pix-yippee-yippee-meme-tbh-creature-yippee-meme-tbh-creature-gif-25935058

[gritty scroll]

Bro did the sun destroy the camera?

[cedar portal]

yes

that was a certified Alan Bean moment

[gritty scroll]

Aliens

[cedar portal]

no it's me

[flat jackal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1015019632500953100/1044245139603861574/caption.gif

[final arch]

https://twitter.com/OMOTENASHI_JAXA/status/1594498414754295808

OMOTENASHI Project (@OMOTENASHI_JAXA)

現時点では、当初予定していた着陸方法は実行できないのですが、本日中に回復できれば、近月点（月に最も近いところ）を通過する際に固体ロケットで減速して、月面に自由落下させることができます。
近月点通過は、日本時間の今晩、24時付近です。

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280

Twitter · Nov 21, 2022, 1:10 AM

The little guy looks like he won't be able to land.

[final arch]

Another Wallpaper

[stoic totem]

No Dolphins so bad wallpaper

[final arch]

https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/art001e000178 FD4 Moon1/art001e000178 FD4 Moon1~orig.jpg

[gritty scroll]

Isn't this also the first Splashdown from beyond LEO in over 50 years or something?

[ember pulsar]

Yep

[gritty scroll]

I guess milestones would be:

-First crew rated Vehicle to leave LEO in 50 years
-Farthest a Crew rated Vehicle went from Earth
-First Splashdown from beyond LEO in over 50 years
-First Flight of SLS
-First orbital flight of Orion
-2nd mission of the Artemis program
-Most Powerful rocket? (Current)

Is that correct?

[final arch]

Yeah

[final arch]

-The farthest a crew-capable vehicle has ever gone from Earth.

I would only change the second one a little

[gritty scroll]

Engrish

Isn't this also the only crew rated Vehicle that uses solar power to leave LEO?

[long epoch]

Not over 50 years

Just about though

Wait wtf

TIME

HOW IS IT 2022

I thought it was 48 years from Apollo 17

It is actually 50, wtf

[proud creek]

Wasn't there an orbital flight in 2014ish?

[mellow crest]

Didn't go beyond LEO

Oh wait you

I was confused

Yes that's correct

[twin yarrow]

oh wow

did saturn I never fly from 39 ?

[neat bobcat]

https://fxtwitter.com/tj_cooney/status/1594705638243930114?s=46&t=BrCdQAb98DWF3jQkT0XSzg

https://fxtwitter.com/tj_cooney/status/1594706012388327424?s=46&t=BrCdQAb98DWF3jQkT0XSzg

@cedar portal

[gritty scroll]

More evidence to prove my double Miranda theory

[mellow crest]

So when will the footage of closest approach be released?

I guess it takes time for the DSN to get all the data?

[urban basin]

Saturn IB flew from 39B using the "milkstool" on the three Skylab missions and ASTP

[twin yarrow]

yeah but IB didn't have rl 10s

[urban basin]

Saturn I launched from LC-34 and LC-37

Saturn IB also launched from LC-37

[twin yarrow]

yeah i just looked it up

[urban basin]

Your right the S-IV had RL-10s while the S-IVB had a J-2

[urban basin]

Skitzophrenia

[long epoch]

Alright, regardless of my immense dislike of SLS... This is super fucking cool

Booster seps are always awesome

[serene birch]

Cloning

[gritty scroll]

Miranda was replaced

[serene birch]

By who tho

[valid dock]

By Palmer

[mellow crest]

https://tenor.com/view/beginning-to-believe-gif-20796223

*she

[final arch]

https://twitter.com/NASAArtemis/status/1594737407114752000

NASA Artemis (@NASAArtemis)

Engineers have activated Callisto, a technology demonstration payload aboard @NASA_Orion developed by Lockheed Martin, Amazon, & Cisco that will test a digital voice assistant and video conferencing capabilities in a deep space environment.

Follow along: https://t.co/B5VIfBv3F1

Twitter · Nov 21, 2022, 5:00 PM

[lone pelican]

earth alexa barely works

space alexa sounds awful

roll on space google assistant

[ember pulsar]

It’s not an Alexa

[rocky basin]

it says Alexa in the picture?

[lone pelican]

it is very much using alexa technology

[ember pulsar]

Yes it’s using Alexa technology

But not an Alexa

[gritty scroll]

Lockheed Martin

[lone pelican]

how can it be using alexa's technology and yet not be alexa

[neat bobcat]

It actually works

so that's cool

[ember pulsar]

There is hardware and software from Alexa

[lone pelican]

alexa's voice recognition is ass ime and it's context analysis is even worse

[rocky basin]

also at least one guy involved calls it Alexa

[long epoch]

They all suck

[lone pelican]

oh also it's alexa on device lmaoooo

[lone pelican]

I have great success with google

[ember pulsar]

[lone pelican]

comparatively anyway

[ember pulsar]

I rarely use siri

[rocky basin]

Orion guy is the one involved

[neat bobcat]

what's funny is that Callisto was activated awhile ago

[gritty scroll]

"Alexa, how do I stop burning up in the atmosphere?"

[lone pelican]

all well and good until you're in an apollo 13 type situation and alexa keeps thinking you're speaking to her

[rocky basin]

also yeah this application of the tech is just as asinine as it is in the smart home nonsense

[gritty scroll]

I doubt any astronaut would use it

If they have a concern just ask Mission Control

[lone pelican]

they'll use it

like twice

and maybe when their hands are full

[neat bobcat]

its more to access an onboard database

[lone pelican]

but I can't see it being a super mega useful thing

[neat bobcat]

so its just an assistant

it would be super useful when they're like

behind the Moon

or an area where there's a bit of comms delay

[gritty scroll]

Alright

[lone pelican]

just sounds like someone didn't know how to design a user interface

[rocky basin]

If they don’t know how to use the mfds maybe

[neat bobcat]

sometimes they have they're hands full

[lone pelican]

didn't someone say it's not flying on a3

[neat bobcat]

dude could be taking a shit in the bathroom and have a question

[lone pelican]

or am I misremembering

[neat bobcat]

Callisto isn't flying on anything unless NASA likes it

[rocky basin]

I hope they don’t

[gritty scroll]

Snoopy

[lone pelican]

same lmao

[neat bobcat]

i can see the benefits of it for just being an assistant

[lone pelican]

but with all things like that it'll be relied on for a while until the astronauts complain enough for a standard ux

and by relied on I mean the execs will be like yes this is such a good idea!

[neat bobcat]

there's gonna be both

[lone pelican]

so it's just gonna be dead weight lol

99% of the time it's not gonna be used

[neat bobcat]

it weighs like 4-5 pounds its not that much dead weight

its just a quality of life thing if the astros and execs like it

[rocky basin]

Yeah it’s not much literal dead weight, it’s more metaphorical dead weight on the interface and the minds of astronauts

[rocky basin]

I think the fact that you’re including the execs in that statement tells all one needs to know about this particular application

[neat bobcat]

?

[lone pelican]

swear I've had like one opinion in this server that's been unanimously agreed on

and -1 opinions in this channel

[neat bobcat]

execs like program managers

[rocky basin]

Execs like Amazon managers

[neat bobcat]

Amazon didn't have much a role to play on this

[lone pelican]

blue origin's foot in the door

[gritty scroll]

Gimbal

It Gimbals

[lone pelican]

they're literally providing voice recognition tech

[rocky basin]

it is literally space Alexa

[rocky basin]

onion ❤️

[gritty scroll]

Why does it have spikes?

[neat bobcat]

they provided processing software

[gritty scroll]

Fire side of the moon

[neat bobcat]

Callisto also allows video call on the interface which is cool

[gritty scroll]

*far

[rocky basin]

probably helps to mount the insulation?

[lone pelican]

couldn't they just have got that elsewhere

[rocky basin]

yes.

[neat bobcat]

they took an Ipad and put it on the console

[neat bobcat]

simple as fuck

[lone pelican]

how good is orion's earth downlink that they can connect directly to a webex meeting

[gritty scroll]

Good view of the sea of Moscow

[neat bobcat]

pretty good

[gritty scroll]

FAM moment

[rocky basin]

iPads in spacecraft is not a new technology that deserves a fancy name lol

[rocky basin]

2mb/s I guess

[lone pelican]

fair

[neat bobcat]

https://twitter.com/Astro_Jessica/status/1594745128417124354?t=MdcB9ysd9sFvJ1iFzEXXXw&s=19

Jessica Meir (@Astro_Jessica)

Today’s view from @NASAArtemis Mission Control. #Orion is looking up sun at the Moon, from about 4,000 miles. Earlier this morning the spacecraft came within 70 miles of the lunar surface, its closest approach on this mission. The spacecraft also overflew Apollo landing sites.

Twitter · Nov 21, 2022, 5:30 PM

[raw abyss]

omg gib high res

[serene birch]

need

[vapid oar]

NASA logo orbit do be spinnin' wild

[cedar portal]

High-resolution photo of Orion

Oh fuck

The Apollo Vibes are so fucking strong right now

[long epoch]

Holy shit

No wonder Orion limits acceleration when the panels are deployed

Those things look unbelievably flimsy

[cedar portal]

well, those are solar panels

what did you expect

[long epoch]

To not be that flimsy

[urban basin]

solar panels tend to be like that

[rocky basin]

They are big long and not structural

[valid dock]

long

[rocky basin]

the iss arrays are quite similar but bigger

Possibly even bendier

[gritty scroll]

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/capstone-forges-new-path-for-nasa-s-future-artemis-moon-missions

[long epoch]

Artemis 0

[gritty scroll]

Wouldn't Arex I-X been Artemis -1?

[raw abyss]

EFT-1 would be Artemis -1

Ares 1 would be Artemis -2

[mellow crest]

Ares V better plus ratio

[mellow crest]

Ares I-X would be a nonreal number

Like i

[gritty scroll]

Apollo would be -idk

[mellow crest]

Do not taint Apollo with this bullshit lmao

what did ares 1-x even achieve

wasn't it just a 4 segment solid

with a dummy upper stage & capsule

Yes

It was supposed to become a crew vehicle after that

Fortunately someone pulled their head out of their ass

damn, but did it even test components of the actual ares I?

Nope

It did not

well thats one way to waste 400 million dollars or something i guess

The government wastes far more than that on far stupider things on a daily basis

¯_(ツ)_/¯

found this image

What's funny is that Ares I would probably have been a fucking death trap if it flew crew, even compared to the Shuttle. The crew would be killed by the gees almost invariably if the abort motors ever went off. On top of an old Shuttle SRB, those famously reliable rockets.

Shuttle SRBs were pretty reliable tho weren't they?

Less emphasis on "Shuttle" than on "SRB"

Flying crew on a vehicle solely propelled by solids is a terrible idea

[bold drum]

Jeb says otherwise

[mellow crest]

Jeb Bush?

[bold drum]

KSP

[mellow crest]

Yes I know

T'was a meme

[bold drum]

I've launched him on more solid rockets than liquid

[mellow crest]

Cannot disagree on that, but the 4 segments srbs are pretty reliable

[bold drum]

I'm sorry, I'm not knowledgeable in KSP memes

[mellow crest]

Fair

[mellow crest]

Oh it wasn't a KSP meme it was just a dumb joke about a politician named Jeb Bush

lol

Hot take but flying crew on a vehicle propelled by solids in a significant capacity at all isn't the greatest idea. Obviously it makes sense in applications with a limited budget as are commonplace currently, but it should be avoided if possible. Having people on top of a rocket that you physically cannot turn off once started is just risky on the face of it.

[bold drum]

lmao

[bold drum]

hot take - Ares is sexy enough to be allowed to fly with astronauts

[mellow crest]

Bruh

[neat bobcat]

its purpose was to do a real wind tunnel test

[mellow crest]

Oh I see

[long epoch]

Didn't it get cancelled before it even flew lol

[long epoch]

🤝

Shockingly few people agree with that statement

[mellow crest]

Ares I-X flew

[long epoch]

I know, that's what I said

It flew after the program was cancelled I think

Lemme double check

[mellow crest]

Ah I dunno then

[neat bobcat]

Ares I program was winding down to be cancelled when Ares I-X flew

They determined it’d be cheaper to fly it than to destack and find somewhere to put it

[mellow crest]

Damn

That'd be sad if Ares I was a decent program in any way

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-xqc-bozo-gigachad-rip-gif-25169427

[long epoch]

Lmao this is not what I'd expect from NASA

[raw abyss]

i swear Ares I-X was like $400mil

[long epoch]

It was

$445M in 2009 dollars

$560M now

[neat bobcat]

Ares 1-X real purpose was to just try and show Congress that Constellation actually created a product or something

Constellation only really had like, two lunar robotic missions and Ares 1-X come out of it

[mellow crest]

What robotic missions?

[neat bobcat]

LRO and LCROSS i think

[mellow crest]

Ah makes sense

[neat bobcat]

meanwhile Artemis already has 2 missions under its belt and has at least ten lined up

[mellow crest]

Nice

[worn seal]

FIRST EARTH-RISE OF THE ARTEMIS PROGRAM

[somber plaza]

Technically an earthset

[rocky basin]

also during nominal missions past artemis ii there will be no earthrise

at least not for orion

[worn seal]

Oh was that the earth-set?

😣

[somber plaza]

Yup

[final arch]

https://twitter.com/NASAAmes/status/1594777674853060621

NASA Ames (@NASAAmes)

MISSION UPDATE: #CAPSTONE is now in the operational phase of its pathfinding mission around the Moon!

As the first spacecraft to fly this ellongated orbit around the Moon known as NRHO, learn how CAPSTONE is forging a path for future #Artemis missions: https://t.co/NlijGL2gbd

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Twitter · Nov 21, 2022, 7:40 PM

[lone pelican]

elongated

[long epoch]

Muskrat

[lone pelican]

on that note

they spelled elongated wrong

[final arch]

https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/art001e000265/art001e000265~orig.jpg

https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/art001e000270/art001e000270~orig.jpg

https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/art001e000263/art001e000263~orig.jpg

https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/art001e000261/art001e000261~orig.jpg

https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/art001e000260/art001e000260~orig.jpg

https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/art001e000262/art001e000262~orig.jpg

https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/art001e000268/art001e000268~orig.jpg

https://images-assets.nasa.gov/video/art001m1013241859ART-DL-1_2022_324_1859_53000_11202022_000000-033946/art001m1013241859ART-DL-1_2022_324_1859_53000_11202022_000000-033946~orig.mp4

Fotage

[plush quest]

this is insane

[raw abyss]

these pics go hard

[safe cave]

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1594817499006177280?s=20&t=jWkgHL9Cf4XBTbDq-zYm0w

Eric Berger (@SciGuySpace)

Here at Johnson Space Center where the Artemis I briefing has been delayed to 5:30 pm ET (22:30 UTC) ... but for good reason! We're going to see high-resolution video from today's activities.

Twitter · Nov 21, 2022, 10:18 PM

[raw abyss]

[final arch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TgxfAAwXis

[urban basin]

according to the briefing SLS performance was spot on

the core stage was off by 2 meters per second

which is amazing

ML FOOTAGE

[twin yarrow]

hydrolox moment

[urban basin]

indeed

[final arch]

https://twitter.com/nextspaceflight/status/1594827777571966976

Michael Baylor (@nextspaceflight)

Elevator doors be gone

Twitter · Nov 21, 2022, 10:59 PM

https://twitter.com/nextspaceflight/status/1594827125537873925

Michael Baylor (@nextspaceflight)

NASA has released this photo of the deck of the SLS mobile launcher following the Artemis I launch.

Twitter · Nov 21, 2022, 10:56 PM

https://fxtwitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1594827451401740304

[long epoch]

SLS be like

[safe cave]

looks like a tornado went through

[somber plaza]

https://images-assets.nasa.gov/video/ART-CMA1_2022_325_1250_SHARED_art001m1203251250/ART-CMA1_2022_325_1250_SHARED_art001m1203251250~orig.mp4

Earthrise video

[urban basin]

It's an image

[empty coyote]

this does not seem nominal

[somber plaza]

Well yeah you gotta go to the link to see the video duh

The image is a screenshot I took because it wouldn't show an embed

[urban basin]

embed fail

[ember pulsar]

https://twitter.com/elysiasegal/status/1594831191580020736 AHHHHHH

Elysia Segal (@elysiasegal)

NASA Press Conference on #Artemis progress: will be taking photos of the #Apollo landing sites on second flyover. 😱🚨 SCREAMING 😱🎉 YES!!! SHOW ME THAT KNOCKED OVER, CRUMBLY, BLEACHED OUT AMERICAN FLAG! LETS GOOOOO! 🚀🚀🚀 #Orion #WeAreGoing

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Twitter · Nov 21, 2022, 11:12 PM

[empty coyote]

what

[rocky basin]

oh hell ya

[neat bobcat]

Artemis discord clout

[safe cave]

the images will be high enough res?

[empty coyote]

what

[neat bobcat]

what

Artemis Discord around Moon

[empty coyote]

real

[neat bobcat]

real

[somber plaza]

💤

[worn seal]

Legends

[safe cave]

how do we see those images

orion app?

[rocky basin]

that sure is something

[neat bobcat]

nah the Orion guy that is in the server shared it with us

[mellow crest]

You're right. The SRBs weren't an engineering decision but a political decision

[mellow crest]

well it has less SRB that some rockets flying now so I don't see why not

[rocky basin]

tory bruno likes to tell you that there aren’t many places in which cutting off thrust actually helps safety but I don’t think he’s an impartial judge of the situation and I think he is minimising the cases that it does indeed help

[ancient flax]

look at all the brown grass on the north side of the pad

[somber plaza]

And it's not the only part of the pad that's brown

The whole area around the top of the ramp is brown

[empty coyote]

Wonder what Artemis would look like if nasa got a military budget

Also does this Orion CM have a name

[neat bobcat]

no

[empty coyote]

Why not

[neat bobcat]

isn't flying crew so no crew to name it

[empty coyote]

Oh

[final arch]

The video was removed

[hallow lance]

Is there a camera filming core stage separation I wonder

[final arch]

Surely

[daring knoll]

still there for me

[final arch]

Could you pass it another way?

Maybe you download it and send it, if it's too heavy, you upload it to the cloud.

[daring knoll]

I've got no way of editing it rn

I'll do it tomorrow

[safe cave]

265mb

didn’t know discord would take that

[final arch]

Well, I'll download it tomorrow, thanks.

[empty coyote]

500mb nitro trial

[long epoch]

Calypso be like: "am I a joke to you"

I will not answer that question

[neat bobcat]

Calypso has a crew manifested for it

[somber plaza]

No? I can open it well

[long epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[final arch]

I was able to see it

[lone pelican]

Calypso wouldn't be able to tell me what date it is

[long epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/clapping-leonardo-dicaprio-leo-dicaprio-well-done-applause-gif-16463566

[lone pelican]

I enjoy our AI overlords

however

like humans

I dislike some

on the bright side if you ask alexa "what's the craic" she goes "the craic is 90"

[lone pelican]

what am I meant to know

[gritty scroll]

My reaction

[long epoch]

Person doesn't think NASA would possibly be stupid enough to fly the capsule without ECLSS again

Meanwhile that's exactly what they did

[lone pelican]

wdym again

because they didn't on the first demo?

[long epoch]

EFT-1 and A1 both had to ECLSS

The former is excusable, it was a super rough boilerplate

But A1? That shit should be installed

[lone pelican]

so many SLS shills are like no it'll be fine

my brother in christ when is it ever fine to not test stuff

starliner had a fucking clock malfunction

[long epoch]

I don't care how many ground tests you've done, whether that be for the Orion ECLSS or the LAS. If you're gonna do an all-up test, do the fucking all-up test

The entire point of this mission was to prove the entire system and all its components are safe for humans

[valid dock]

The whole ECLSS litteraly can't be tested without crew

The parts that can are on A1

[lone pelican]

well yeah you can't effectively test a CO2 scrubber but like

why not have them on board

[long epoch]

(I have a feeling what I'm saying now will be discounted with "you're just salty" or "cope" or "stop hating" or something stupid like that, but if you stop to think about it for HALF A FUCKING SECOND it makes ZERO sense to do an all-up test to prove safety for humans without actually doing the testing)

[lone pelican]

precisely

[long epoch]

I mean, you can release probably release CO2 from a canister or something to test it

[lone pelican]

that's what I was thinking

[valid dock]

And that's what they did