Got a 3 kill game in the F1C last night. Got a kill with a magic 2, 530E, and super 530F! Flew high and death from above their sorry butts
#Le Baguette Gang
cunning sparrow
swift nacelle
I just found a squad on the enemy team, they were all together and they were in an IS3, IS6 and IS7
cunning sparrow
Gross
swift nacelle
I died instantly 😦
weary furnace
Does anyone know if any of the Mirage 2000's get HMD??
cunning sparrow
Not there yet. I’m nearly at the F-84G. Grinding SL hard with the F1C so I can buy all my in game vehicles and crew trainings.
wary violet
just go headon, the vb10 doesnt have good performance
in the vb10, you need to kill people as fast as possible
if they go for you, you dont have the performance to deal with it
agile ice
Does anyone know if any of the Mirage 2000's get HMD??
The 5F does
weary furnace
Not there yet. I’m nearly at the F-84G. Grinding SL hard with the F1C so I can b...
F1C underrated fr
Got my first ever war thunder ace in it
cunning sparrow
It’s quite solid. I’ve gotten killswith the magics, magic 2, 530, 530E and F. Learning how to fly it is the challenge
weary furnace
It’s quite solid. I’ve gotten killswith the magics, magic 2, 530, 530E and F. Le...
Just don't dogfights anyone lol, maybe stupid premium players but that's about it
cunning sparrow
I fly high, sometimes i get a aim 7F shoved up the backdoor despite chaff and trying to escape radar lock. But i can usually net a kill or 2. Sometimes 3
weary furnace
I fly high, sometimes i get a aim 7F shoved up the backdoor despite chaff and tr...
Remember that chaff only works when you're notching
agile ice
Remember that chaff only works when you're notching
Chaff only works against certain radar modes
cunning sparrow
I don’t think the F1C notches well. I chaff, turn to change directions and it follows me every time. Usually a F4S, F16, F15 where the Aim 7 F gets me. I know the M is CW
agile ice
You need to be flying perpendicular to their radar for a while so don't even come close to taking a head on or you will just die
Ideally you would stay low in an uptier as everyone elses radar missiles are better
cunning sparrow
Ah. So what radars do i stand no chance against besides the 12.7 and 12.3 top tiers?
agile ice
Well every radar 11.3 and up needs to be notched or has a mode that needs to be notched/avoided in some way other than just chaff with the sweden 11.0 radar also being the same
PD (pulse doppler) and MTI (moving target indication) radars/radar modes require flying perpendicular to them
cunning sparrow
Doesn’t help they have CW radar missiles and my 530 F is Pulse wave so any chaff says f off
Even with mti
agile ice
The regular radar mode can be chaffed but cannot be notched these are usually 11.0 and below although many radars will also have access to this mode
MTI is also able to be chaffed but only when the lock is bad
This goes for your mirage, mig23's and some other planes
cunning sparrow
Usually chaff just eats up my 530 and 530 F. It’s why i go high. Give a nice surprise to missile from above
agile ice
The last radar mode is PDV which is essentially measuring your speed relative to the aircraft and for those you want to be a similar speed to the plane
cunning sparrow
Aha
agile ice
In the F1C I didn't even bother with the radar missiles just magic 2 and usually bombs
cunning sparrow
I actually get kills with the 530E. Gonna start avoiding the 530 and 530F soon tbh. Pulse wave is useless at 11.3 on SARH
agile ice
Those are the centre mounted ones right?
cunning sparrow
530 can be center mounted and 530E can as well but the 530E can also take the place of the 530F for 5 IR missiles
agile ice
Ignore the centre mount it's useless and just adds more hassle than it's worth
cunning sparrow
I know the 530E is goofy but it lets me reach out past 2 Km
swift nacelle
does anyone have tips for the amx 30
because lately i've been playing against a ton of annoying tanks
and there fuel tanks won't explode like usual
their*
weary furnace
I know the 530E is goofy but it lets me reach out past 2 Km
Lol in my hundred or 2 matches I've only gotten at least 3 kills with the 530e
cunning sparrow
I think my first kill with the 530E was a J37 that wasn’t paying attention
cunning sparrow
Actually got a lot of kills last night in the F1C. Instead of going high i hung back to be more a pivotal piece. To go where i need to be. Took out a lot with the magic 2s. Scared a lot of peeps with the 530E off my allies. And got a few kills with the super 530F. I think i found how an fighter loadout F1C should be played. Going high got me Aim7d a lot, with hanging back i usually got kills and got all my missiles off at least
obtuse zealot
the vb10-02 is cool
cunning sparrow
Its fun yeah
cinder geyser
Thing can't fly on one though
wary violet
the vb10-02 is cool
Play the 4.0 one
obtuse zealot
no
obtuse zealot
Thing can't fly on one though
it can you just can't be low when it happens or else yea, you'll crash before you get back to af.
the 4.0 one is idk I never really wanted to try it (.50cals 🧟♂️)
50 cals either rip ur fucking plane in two or do nothing
wary violet
90% of your armament comes from the hispanos
The 4.0 one has the exact same performance
Not worth the .7 br increase
obtuse zealot
it is
the 20mm's are really good
slow turn rate and guns that don't shred once i get on target? nty.
plus i have the 02 aced already
things goofy af
one time I hit my prop on a building and broke it.
but somehow my other one didn't break.
So I flew back to air field with one broken prop and one working prop lmao
agile ice
Both engines are individually cooled too
So if one gets shot and fucked the other is often fine
obtuse zealot
yeah.
Also, speaking of that.
Despite having a fucking intake that you could probably fit in the engines still overheat really quick
which i dont care about but lol
agile ice
But yeah I wouldn't fly the 4.7 like ever
cunning sparrow
It is great to get 10 guns though. 6 .50s alongside 4 20mms is some amazing firepower
agile ice
Trading almost a whole br increase for just 6 .50s is not worth it
Especially when the 20 mm is the main damage
cunning sparrow
6 .50s actually add a lot
obtuse zealot
does the 4.0 not have just 50 cals like I thought
Is it actually just 20mm's
holy shit I'm goofy
disregard most of what I said but still, I like the 4.7 vb more.
I've had a lot of fun in it
mb fellers I have dementia or something
swift nacelle
I've had more fun with the vb2
swift nacelle
mb fellers I have dementia or something
I must have that too
cunning sparrow
Ha! I got my first non premium jet! The F-84G! I know it’s not duperb but hey ! Its a jet! Maybe the Ouregom will be better if its bad
weary furnace
Ha! I got my first non premium jet! The F-84G! I know it’s not duperb but hey ! ...
I have a 67% win rate in the French F-84G it's pretty decent imo
BnZ is the way to go
Definitely liked it a lot more than the Oregami
cunning sparrow
Ah. I was turn fighting with it… oops
I did cut another jet’s wing off with it. That was fun
swift nacelle
Ha! I got my first non premium jet! The F-84G! I know it’s not duperb but hey ! ...
woahh
swift nacelle
Ah. I was turn fighting with it… oops
is it not a good turn fighter?
cunning sparrow
Bear in mind i’m still stock so everything about it is crappier than its full performance
cunning sparrow
Good but finicky.
wide trench
3-5 br
Rank 3 is solidly okay with a few standouts like the SA50, M4 FL10 and DCA 40
Rank 4 is pretty barren, but the AMX-13 and AMX M4 are stupid good.
Rank 5 is absolutely goated
astral dust
Funny that I keep hearing mix opinion about french
Mostly said french is bad all to top tier
wide trench
Because most WT players are trash
Rank 1 is rough, Rank 2 is meh, 3 is where it gets good and it just keeps getting better from there
Broadly speaking, French tanks mainly lack in terms of armor, but make up for it with autoloaders and mobility
Oh, and of course only having solid shot in most tanks until Rank 5 when you start to get HEAT and HEAT-FS.
But, unlike British solid shot, French solid shot actually seems to do good post-pen damage, and of course you get that constant reload speed.
astral dust
Oh, and of course only having solid shot in most tanks until Rank 5 when you sta...
it's ok for solid shot
I learn from being british for a few days
reach br 6.0 in british tech tree
tbh it's not that bad having only solid shot
but I didn't continue playing as british after I got centurion
then I get drift off somewhere else between grinding US or GER or USSR
wide trench
I think I'm around 6.7 in the British tree. It's not too bad tbh. Just have to get a little creative with the 17lber gun
And being the only tanks with stabilizers from that BR until a couple BRs later is a huge advantage.
Meanwhile France doesn't have a single stabilizer from the 5.7 Jumbo to the 9.3 AMX 30 super/ 32/ 32-105
wide trench
It can be very helpful at times, but yeah, not strictly necessary
It's part of why i think the BP M551 will be quite strong
cunning sparrow
The issue with the french tanks is simple. They use solid shot well into 7.7 while Britain switches to Sabot around 5.7/6.3
wide trench
Truthfully I haven't had any issues with the solid shot at 7.7. The 100 and 120mm guns have excellent flat and angled pen.
The 120mm in particular on the Subaisse will cut through pretty much anything, even in an uptier
swift nacelle
3-5 br
Rank 3 is great. Standouts for me was the ARL 44 (That 90mm gun is potent and sometimes shots can bounce off your UFP).
The EBR (Great flanker but okayish gun, good for big maps with lots of terrain).
The AMX 13 DCA 40 (40mm gun with great pen, lightning fast 240 shells per minute, and a very fast and reliable chassis).
The AMX 13 fl11 (is great but it doesn't have a good lineup).
The jumbo (Great lineup but I uptier it to 6.0 to use ELC bis. Funny to watch Tiger players fail to pen you)
The M4A4 SA50 (basically a better firefly)
Rank 4 is a bit barren
The AMX M4 (Autoloader with amazing 90mm gun and same shell as ARL 44, great mobility and great gun depression at -10 degrees)
The AMX 13 (5 sec reload with 12 ready rounds, good pen but no APHE)
CA Lorraine (It's fast with a good gun but it has no armour and barely any gun depression)
ELC Bis (Fast with high penning HEATFS and an extremely low profile. Good gun depression)
AMX 10P and m26 suck
swift nacelle
How is french tank?
Rank 5 is EXTREMELY fun
Lorraine and AMX 50 (TOA100) (Great gun with 4 sec autoloader, good gun depression and great mobility. No armour sadly)
AML 90 (Hehehe funny little rat tank. Same gun as elc bis but more mobility and full turret traverse. only 20 rounds of HEATFS though :/)
AUF 1 (Good but over-tiered if compared to Vidar, 2s3m and that Japanese one)
AMX 10M (Sad tank destroyer. Great missiles that are fast with 700mm pen, 20mm cannon to shred helicopters. Other than that it has nothing else going for it)
AMX 30 (Fast tank with great gun. It is personally my favourite at the moment. 105mm cannon with 400mm pen, 20mm autocannon to shred light tanks and helis. Fast and suspension isn't bad. Commander can also shoot gun so you will be able to shoot if your gunner is dead)
AMX 50 foch and AMX 13 90 (I haven't bought the Foch and I haven't researched the AMX 13-90. Foch will stop practically any conventional rounds)
swift nacelle
Mostly said french is bad all to top tier
Most WT players don't know how to treat the French vehicles
Rank 1 is rough so good luck.
Rank 2 is fine, few jewels such as the B1s.
Rank 3 is where the fun begins. Practically all tanks at rank 3 are good. If paired with the F6f and the SB2C then you will dominate matches. You will start learning how to aim with AP rounds.
Rank 4 is where you realise that Tigers aren't very armoured.
Rank 5 is straight up incredible.
swift nacelle
Mostly said french is bad all to top tier
Reasons are
- AP is annoying but it will pen almost anything.
- Most players don't know about the flanking. (https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/nmuwu7/flanking_tips_in_tank_rb/)
- No armour.
- No stabiliser until very far on.
- gaijin just hates france.
If you learn the flank and spank technique you will win almost all matches. The AP creates quite a lot of shrapnel too.
astral dust
Reasons are
1) AP is annoying but it will pen almost anything.
2) Most players ...
I mostly enjoy being a rat in wt
And flank ppl if the map allow for that kind of play
I will try grind again I think I stop around 3.0
I still don't have nation that enjoy the most atm
cunning sparrow
Yeah. Flanking is required. But learning to flank is rough. No stabilizer is getting me killed at 8.0-9.0 games as i have the amx-30 1972
astral dust
Currently I was grinding GER but I stop for a few days bc I ran out of premium time
But yeah ig I could try french again
Dunno how well french can go up against other nation and there not much vid about french tank
swift nacelle
I will try grind again I think I stop around 3.0
m4a1 is a great grinder
wide trench
I mostly enjoy being a rat in wt
If you enjoy being a rat you will love France
Even their mediums like the AMX M4 are mobile enough to be rats
And you have the autoloader to take full advantage of flanks
dusky wharf
Most of France after 5.7 is where they are most mobile
AMX-M4, Lorraine 40t, AMX-50, AMX-13
agile ice
Once you get past the US stuff you have no armour but (usually) good mobility. 8.0 - 9.7 France is very similar to Germany in how they play
dusky wharf
EBR and AML
dusky wharf
Once you get past the US stuff you have no armour but (usually) good mobility. 8...
I mean no?
9.3+ sure
8.0-9.0 no
obtuse zealot
The issue with the french tanks is simple. They use solid shot well into 7.7 whi...
the difference is that frances solid shot is actually good and does great damage when it pens
agile ice
I mean no?
I mean leopard vs amx-30, both have 4 second autoloaded tanks. Hell they even share an 8.7 tank.
agile ice
Sk is in both trees
dusky wharf
DCA is just an stabilised Falcon with more mobility and a radar
wide trench
I've had good success with the AMX-30 1972 at 8.0. Then again I had lots of practice with the HEAT shell from playing M-51s so much before I got it
dusky wharf
The German stock Grind and French Stock grind isn't even comparable
wide trench
And that coax 20mm is just Chef's kiss
dusky wharf
HEATFS is infinitely better than HEATDS
wide trench
Not necessarily
agile ice
Would you or would you not say that both Germany and France are lightly armoured and highly mobile?
wide trench
Whatever you say, boss. But it hasn't been an issue for me
agile ice
And tbh I found the HEAT better in the amx-30 than in the HEATFS in the leopard or the like
wide trench
I have mental scars from the M-51's launch day
In fairness, the AMX-30's heat fires at 1000m/s, where as the M-51 is only 800.
That means the AMX-30 shots will generally hit more direct-on, where as the M-51's shell will drop in on target more at the same ranges
Same warhead, different shells
It seems like a small difference, but the AMX's is much more reliable and honestly very comparable to most HEAT-FS at the same BR
agile ice
I loved using the B2’s they got me the leclercs unlocked
wide trench
Also, lmao at the premium AMX-30 being the same BR as the TT one, but missing the coax 20mm
dusky wharf
Also, lmao at the premium AMX-30 being the same BR as the TT one, but missing th...
One of the reasons I dislike the AMX-30S, no 20mm Coax
Even the AMX-32 (105) has a coax 20mm
At the same BR
And the fact both AMX-32 are the same BR
wide trench
Gaijin and inconsistent metrics for balancing, name a more iconic duo
Just like the M26 being the same BR as all the T26s, or the Tiger II P, H and H Sla.16 all being the same BR
agile ice
Because it’s stats are better (the Italians have one)
wide trench
I use it rarely in the off chance I somehow burn through my AMX M4 and AMX-13 and backups for both
Spading it was a goddamned nightmare
cinder geyser
Or the Italian M60 being the same BR as the American M60 when it has a TON more armor
dusky wharf
Spading it was a goddamned nightmare
That's why I've only ever spaded one (M26A1)
agile ice
I mean I like having the m26 to add to the lineup
agile ice
Or the Italian M60 being the same BR as the American M60 when it has a TON more ...
Do you remember what happened with the br of that thing when it came out?
wide trench
I'm not mad at having it by any means, it's just one of the worst tanks for 6.7
dusky wharf
M60A1 for Italy used to be an M60A1 (AOS)
Before evidence came out it never had the AOS Package installed
Now it's just an M60A1
agile ice
Yep so people paid for it then got fucked because it lost the stab
dusky wharf
It went against some EU laws
But when the fuck does Gaijin care about laws
When they fund separatist Malitia and dodge taxes
weary furnace
Dodge taxes?!?!
swift nacelle
I've had good success with the AMX-30 1972 at 8.0. Then again I had lots of prac...
Played 5 games in m51 and I've thoroughly enjoyed amx 30
swift nacelle
And tbh I found the HEAT better in the amx-30 than in the HEATFS in the leopard ...
The HEAT in the AMX 30 is extremely special. The rifled heat shells usually have worse pen due to the spinning of the shell separating chemicals, whereas the French engineered the heat shell to be not spin on the inside to not separate chemicals, but spin on the outside to improve accuracy
wide trench
Yeah, the HEAT warhead rides inside a normal shell on two ball bearings so that the shell spins, but the warhead remains stable
Just another one of those goofy as fuck solutions that's far more complex than what everyone else did
swift nacelle
Yes, the Obus G is great
wide trench
But it works
agile ice
The HEAT in the AMX 30 is extremely special. The rifled heat shells usually have...
Yeah it's really cool and the Russians also do a similar thing with their HEATFS and I believe a weighted ring that counteracts the spin
swift nacelle
Just another one of those goofy as fuck solutions that's far more complex than w...
It was so damn expensive but the French wanted accuracy and the got accuracy. I believe it was easier for their FCS computer to calculated
swift nacelle
Yeah it's really cool and the Russians also do a similar thing with their HEATFS...
Did they?
cinder geyser
Meanwhile Italy puts the fuse on the wrong end of the shell and accidentally creates HESH
agile ice
Did they?
Yeah so like the fins obviously stabilise the round and stop the spinning but they had a ring with a weighted part so that it would always be pointed down and this helped stop the spin from the rifling whilst the fins kept it stable
Now I could be talking out of my ass because I can't find where I saw this
agile ice
if you find an image then pls send
Now couldn't find anything about it so maybe wasn't russian or could of been some test thing but essentially the idea is that ring the arrow points to can rotate and spin around independently.
One part of that ring has a bulge with a weight in it making it much heavier and as the round spins because of the rifling that heavier bit wants to sit at the point closest to the ground so slows whenever it gets close to that point and uses the friction to slow the spin.
However I am more than likely wrong that it was this round which did this
swift nacelle
Now couldn't find anything about it so maybe wasn't russian or could of been som...
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
agile ice
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I mean I know modern HEAT the spin is solved by having the jet spin opposite to the spin of the projectile so they cancel out
swift nacelle
Heat isn't used as much tho
agile ice
Yeah it's more like shoulder mounted stuff
swift nacelle
ohhhh
agile ice
Most tanks aren't using HEATFS anymore and instead MPAT is the replacement or other things
swift nacelle
What is MPAT?
agile ice
Multi-Purpose Anti-Tank also similar to HEDP (High-Explosive Dual-Purpose) both of which are essentially heat rounds with a fragmentation casing like a HE round
They can have things like different fuse settings so they can be used as airburst or bunker buster
astral dust
If you enjoy being a rat you will love France
my current lineup lmao
still research m10
astral dust
think I should remove that AMX so my entire lineup won't become useless
weary furnace
We're getting MICA's next update trust
swift nacelle
ima trust you on this
cunning sparrow
I’ll believe it when i see it
astral dust
i'm guessing most ppl here are french tech tree main?
also I hate m4a3 so much
105mm is a joke
maybe I should give up and use HEAT exclusively for this tank
agile ice
I main the HEAT round I think (been a while) just because the pen is more consistant and the armour is so good you often get multiple shots before they can pen you
astral dust
the HE is so bad
dusky wharf
The M1 shell is still good
You can kill Pz.IV and Pz.III by hitting the cupola
You can also do that with 75mm HE
dusky wharf
You can kill Pz.IV and Pz.III by hitting the cupola
Which is useful when you come across Pz.IIIL, M and N
astral dust
3 shot on the same tank and it can't kill it oh my god who make this tank
M4a3
it bounch off light tank....
at close range
weary furnace
From Mystere's to delta wings, the French hate energy retention
cinder geyser
it bounch off light tank....
HE doesn't bounce unless you fire the worst aimed shots in history so
buoyant tide
i'm guessing most ppl here are french tech tree main?
i aggree with you
wide trench
The M4A3 was goated before it went up in BR, because most tanks at lower BRs have no real armor, so you could yeet them with HE, but you had more armor than they could deal with
It was basically a low tier jumbo
But now it's strongly mid
swift nacelle
maybe I should give up and use HEAT exclusively for this tank
I mained heat as it could pen practically anything, but the HE works incredibly well in close quarters if you shoot it below a tank. The he blows up the bottom of the tank like 90%
astral dust
HE doesn't bounce unless you fire the worst aimed shots in history so
it's HEAT
grand void
happened to me too much times with the aml 90
me when heat bouncing off t44 barrel
cunning sparrow
I’m sorry but HEAT shouldn’t deform upon a bounce. If it did bounce off a barrel it should detonate on the next thing it hits
astral dust
I switch to HEAT after that
but yeah I just slowly remember why I stop playing french at 3.0
cinder geyser
And HEAT barely bounces more than HE, it's genuinely difficult to make that happen
agile ice
3.0 france is good but it is also just like american stuff
cunning sparrow
It is. But france comes into it’s own around…. 5.7? Thats when the M4A4 SA50 comes into play. And that tank is a beast!!!
agile ice
5.0 for the sa50 but 5.3 is when France as a tree gets both good and French
cunning sparrow
The gun is monstrous
agile ice
It's just a better sherman firefly and I love the firefly so
cinder geyser
Oh I would take a Firefly over an SA50 in 90% of situations
agile ice
I don't know what situation I'd want a firefly in other than the reload (which is funny if you've ever seen how much of a nightmare loading that 17 pounder was)
swift nacelle
me when heat bouncing off t44 barrel
hehee
swift nacelle
270 lolpen
No way 17 pounder has 270
agile ice
270 lolpen
Oh you mean the Italian one?
cinder geyser
No way 17 pounder has 270
Several vehicles have it so
And yes Italian
The APDS is objectively a meme round but it's fun to kill Tiger II right through the front hull at range
swift nacelle
Ohh but your talking about the centurions 17 pounder apds right?
agile ice
Well same round but on the sherman firefly
cinder geyser
Ohh but your talking about the centurions 17 pounder apds right?
Nope
I used the Italian one in my 6.0 lineup until I got the Jackson
cinder geyser
Because you over pen 90% of shots and the shell is so light it does little damage even if you don't
cunning sparrow
Sabot brings it way up but the Mk 8 shell at 190 is still terrifying
grand void
Yea
cunning sparrow
It honestly might be my preferred 17 pounder shell.
grand void
grand void
It honestly might be my preferred 17 pounder shell.
At the 17pdr br range I like solid shit more
British sabot gets better over time
I think the 84mm and 120mm are better
Not just because pen
They feel like they do more damage and don't shatter
cunning sparrow
British sabot is good. French sabot is… oh man. If you can make it pen you ruin things with the spalling. The french Obus de rupture is terrifying
I killed a M60 from the front with the 120 obus se rupture last night
grand void
I love the French 7.7
grand void
Thats the APCBC
Oh it's not the sabot
I'm dumb lol
Yea no the French apcbc is nutty
grand void
Only issue I have penning are russian things
Because they're russian
Volumetric try not to let my shell be consumed by a fuel tank
cunning sparrow
Side shots Are required on those until you have the 120 mm gun
grand void
Yea
cunning sparrow
The foch is scary, the surbaise is terrifying. France 7.7 is scary
grand void
I main the ebr if you look at my Stat card the ebr 63 is one of my best vehicles
grand void
The foch is scary, the surbaise is terrifying. France 7.7 is scary
Do you own the surblindé
cunning sparrow
No.
cunning sparrow
My premium french are the super 30, B1 ter, P-40 lafayette, and the F1C which RAKES in the SL
grand void
Mine are Somua and EBR
cunning sparrow
But the super 30 and F1C are best bough on sale tbh
cunning sparrow
But! Its a stabilized AMX -30. That’s scary
grand void
But! Its a stabilized AMX -30. That’s scary
Finally a stabilizer lol
cunning sparrow
The amx-32 is stabilized funnily enough
grand void
Lol
I like the funny unstablized auto loaders
Tho they keep going up in br when they are fine at 7.7
cunning sparrow
It’s cause the good French players who use en wreck face
wide trench
https://tenor.com/view/its-me-im-the-problem-taylor-swift-problem-taylor-im-the-problem-gif-26994473
Of the 6 nukes I've had, half were with France 7.7
2 were France 6.7
cunning sparrow
Never had a nuke, lack of stabilizers always f’d me over but chances are i’m not using the tank right so that’s on me i think
Gotten close though!
Oh, and now my F-84G is way scarier with all the performance upgrades. Now i just need firepower upgrades and i’ve got a solid ground pounder and anti-CAS once my ordinance is dropped
grand void
Of the 6 nukes I've had, half were with France 7.7
What's the one that wasn't with france
wide trench
Tiger II H
grand void
Oh ez
wide trench
I literally sat on one spot on Alaska and enemies just kept driving at me
grand void
In a full down tier
wide trench
I can't remember. I think it was because I blasted like 4 M-51s
grand void
In a full up tier a bit harder but if you play the 2 smart it's good at 5.7 and at 7.7
wide trench
I sat in this spot most of the game and eventually pushed up to their spawn when I was close and they were running out of players
I have no idea how I never got CAS'd
wide trench
Never had a nuke, lack of stabilizers always f’d me over but chances are i’m not...
Best advice I can give is flank, flank, flank, and flank some more. Push, but don't over-extend and know your limits.
Autoloaders are goated, but especially with tanks like the Somua or Lorraine 40t you WILL go through your ready rack very quickly and the replenish time will screw you over.
No stabilizers is just a matter of getting used to it.
Honestly it's part of what makes the Surbaisse so amazing. Huge gun that can deal with just about everything, plus a rangefinder and 20 rounds ready to go compared to 9 on the smaller tanks
grand void
Best advice I can give is flank, flank, flank, and flank some more. Push, but do...
pretty much its funny people are like erm its frecnh so flank even if it isnt intended to be a fast flanker it probably is because france made some zoomy tanks
wide trench
I flank in every single tank. There's no reason not to in this game
Average player has the spatial awareness of a brick
grand void
british heavies can barely make it to the combat let alone flank
in churchills im pretty cognitive of my surroundings
cinder geyser
Flank in a 2C I dare you
weary furnace
What is best rank 5 jet to grind with?
I very highly recommend the F-84G
cunning sparrow
I very highly recommend the F-84G
Yes. Its performance improves in scary ways with each performance modification
storm sky
This is the French advice chat
Thought I was in before you buy 😭 mannn I'm tired man
weary furnace
The options look bleak
I mean the ouragan works too ig, very mid though
swift nacelle
french 2.3 is so fun
weary furnace
Char B1 is at that br right?
swift nacelle
am i the only one who believes that the auf1 is bad?
cunning sparrow
No it’s bad. Best round is the proxy and that blows.
The best thing anout the Auf 1 is the speed
dusky wharf
Eventually I'll get around to playing FR 9.7
swift nacelle
The best thing anout the Auf 1 is the speed
It is so big with such long gun stabilisation
Always get shot before gun comes back up
wide trench
Another SPAA, but it more confirms the leak list to be accurate
Which means Alpha Jet this update too
cinder geyser
That should have been added so fucking long ago
Just like how the AMX-10 was a dumb addition when the AMX VCI could have been there so much earlier
A VTT Tow would be neat too
wide trench
dusky wharf
Magic II means 11.0
wide trench
Really comes down to whatever armament they put on it.
cinder geyser
It ain't fast enough for 11.0
wide trench
I have to imagine it would end up somewhere around the 10.3 Italian AMX
cunning gazelle
Isn't it subsonic? If so I would think it'll be 10.7 max
cinder geyser
1000kph@cunning gazelle
agile ice
I have to imagine it would end up somewhere around the 10.3 Italian AMX
Better missiles and maverick’s more likely 11.0 along with the A7K and new Jag
cinder geyser
Id bet a lot its 10.3
weary furnace
Give us MICAaaaaaaa's
cunning sparrow
I can’t wait for the Matras to get unnerfed
weary furnace
I can’t wait for the Matras to get unnerfed
Which one
cunning sparrow
Magic 2 for 1. And i highly doubt the super 530 Ds wouldn’t have a higher acceleration
astral dust
does most french tank has autoloader
at like 5.0
that alot of damage
crusader mk 2
at time like this I wish I have premium
so I can get the f out of br 3.0
I have a feeling that someone told me that 3.0 is "good" before and idk if we are playing the same faction but from my experience 3.0 is just horribly bad for french
agile ice
It's 'good' but mostly because it's not French if you want to damage people with your shots play another nation
storm sky
I hated french 2-3
Also the AMX 13 fl11
Amazing but worst team ever
Very good kdr etc but had a 37% win rate before I started uptiering it to 5.3 when I got the ebr
buoyant tide
Also the AMX 13 fl11
it is not that bad
obtuse zealot
the fl-11 is really good.
when grinding France prioritize going for the arl-44
not the acl
The real arl
That things awesome
the lol bounces you can get is funny
sometimes people just don't know where to shoot you or there shell doesn't do anything because they hit mantlet
it's funny
cunning sparrow
The TD ARL-44 is nasty. And the gun is fantastic. But you have to be aware of your surroundings
cinder geyser
Also the AMX 13 fl11
13 FL-11 is a joke
It's no better than a Chaffee but higher BR
buoyant tide
The real arl
yeah
swift nacelle
that alot of damage
3.0 is bad, 3.7 and 4.3 is good
We could try and play together if you want (I have no mic and might be in different time zone)
cinder geyser
Yeah I'd be shocked if you were told 3.0 is good when there's only 1 tank there
3.3 maybe, that's a decent one but not 3.0
Back when the 105 was 2.7 that was one of the best lineups in the game
Stuart, 105, B1 Ter, P-40F or Hawk 75A-4, A-35
A-35 is sleeper good
Once you learn how the bombs drop anyways
swift nacelle
3.3 maybe, that's a decent one but not 3.0
3.3 was my grinder for until like 4.3
because the F6f-5 is so damn good
cinder geyser
because the F6f-5 is so damn good
I'd rather play 3.3 than 3.7 if you don't have an AMX Chaffee
M10 and M4A1 alone are a good setup
If the MB175 was a little better I'd recommend that too but it's too hit or miss esp with the MG151 nerf
storm sky
It's no better than a Chaffee but higher BR
Yeah it's kinda bs
Ngl fl11 is pretty goated with the sauce when you play right
cinder geyser
The FL-11 being 4.3 is especially funny when the AMX Chaffee is still 3.7
Part of the argument is that the AMX hull is better, and it is in some ways, but then the AMX-M24 is the same BR as normal chaffees
And I'd take an M24 turret over an FL-11 any day
Stabilizer and .50 are too good to give up
timber harness
when french m47
agile ice
ngl I would love one (been deleting people with the Japanese one recently)
cinder geyser
Please no
I don't need all M47s going up in a month 😛
I'm a few games away from the Italian one
agile ice
The Italian one is different with the 105 (it also went up a while ago whilst the others stayed)
Pretty sure the french one would only have the 90 still
cinder geyser
Nah I know it is but the 90mm and 105mm can't be the same BR so
If ones goes they both go
wide trench
I don't need all M47s going up in a month 😛
Nah they wouldn't. I think they tried in the past to change the BR of either the M47 or M48 in the german tree independently of the US one and players rioted
They'd have to average it with the other M47s, otherwise the French M26 would be a higher BR than the US one
cinder geyser
??
agile ice
The m26 went up because it was in the Italian tree
cinder geyser
What does the M26 have to do with it?
And how is this guy going "No they can't move them up separately" when I said all?
Respectfully a bit lost
wide trench
I fucking give up on this community.
cinder geyser
Makes headass comment, gives up
checks out
The point is that a French M47 would screw Italy because it would inevitably cause Gaijin to raise the BR of 90mm M47s, in turn forcing an increase for the Italian M47 105 because a 90mm and 105mm gun won't be the same BR on an otherwise identical vehicle
agile ice
The point is that a French M47 would screw Italy because it would inevitably cau...
They were the same br before I doubt if they where shown to be similarly effective they wouldn't be the same again plus it's already in the Japan tree
cinder geyser
They were the same br before I doubt if they where shown to be similarly effecti...
Sure but when does stuff ever go up because of Japan instead of France 😛
agile ice
Sure but when does stuff ever go up because of Japan instead of France 😛
I mean the M26 example was something that went up because of Italy plus the M41A1 went up recently and is in the Japan tree
cinder geyser
never mind...
weary furnace
For air RB at it's br which is better the Mirage 2000C or 2000-5
agile ice
The 5F, it's got the better radar and HMD
storm sky
Nah CS5 is better for the br
Nearly constant downtiers and still decent weaponry and great flight performance
swift nacelle
I'd rather play 3.3 than 3.7 if you don't have an AMX Chaffee
3.7 great because the acl 1 is good
cinder geyser
ACL is definitely under rated
cunning sparrow
Huh. Had someone call me a hacker because the T-62 didn’t one shot me from a fuel tank shot in my amx-30 1972. I ended up killing them from targeting the gunner, cannon, then his crew. But i’m the cheater sighs in disgust
cinder geyser
Russian complains about fuel tank shot being survived
T-34s and T-54s sheepishly looking away rn
timber harness
Huh. Had someone call me a hacker because the T-62 didn’t one shot me from a fue...
the tanky ass fuel is one of the FEW things the amx 30 1972 has going for it
cunning gazelle
Fuel = Armor
timber harness
Fuel = Armor
tell that to the poor strv 103 i just lit on fire 3 times in a row
bro was so sad
cunning gazelle
Fuel tanks should have a way to measure their armor values
cunning sparrow
It’s kinda crazy how much shrapnel that fuel tank absorbed
cunning gazelle
Totally realistic 💯
timber harness
It’s kinda crazy how much shrapnel that fuel tank absorbed
the m60 watching his HEATFS get eaten by a fuel tank and i swivel my turret around in 4 seconds
also, wtf? the rise P is the same BR as the brenus, but gets a stab
agile ice
It’s American so it must be bad
timber harness
It’s American so it must be bad
lol
cunning sparrow
Gd. I’m so sick of being up-tiered to 9.3 in a 8.3 jet
weary furnace
The Rafale was mentioned in war thunders second newest video 🗣️🗣️
swift nacelle
The Rafale was mentioned in war thunders second newest video 🗣️🗣️
really???
cunning sparrow
Omg if we get the Rafael alongside the MICA then France might rise as a true air power
weary furnace
It was just mentioned
cunning sparrow
But will it get vectoring? Or will it be nerfed as Matra makes dam good missiles
weary furnace
But will it get vectoring? Or will it be nerfed as Matra makes dam good missiles
The MICA? In the dev server it does get thrust vectoring
If we do get the MICA France will actually be properly meta
If we get MICA IR France will be OP for the first time since it got added to war thunder
cunning sparrow
I hope we get both. Hell Matra’s exocet missile was a game changer in anti-ship warfare.
swift nacelle
anyone down for some french war thunder?
@cunning sparrow u down for some war thunder?
cunning sparrow
In a hot minute. Watching something with the wife the. Yes
cunning sparrow
Okie dokie
cunning sparrow
I’ll have to look. Be at my pc in a hot minute
swift nacelle
ok
cunning sparrow
logging on now, getyting my mic set up
swift nacelle
btw i aint got a mic
cunning sparrow
ok. no mic then
swift nacelle
i can type quickly in the war thunder squad chat thing
uhmm my war thunder/xbox name is Quacky#8132
It was a name i made when i was young, also the username on warthunder might not have a hashtag in it
cunning sparrow
gotcha. for some reason the update is being slow af
swift nacelle
the update has messed something up. My war thunder now takes ages to load up too
cunning sparrow
must be the new ARH testing
swift nacelle
might be...
cunning sparrow
did you see the log? 2000-5F is getting MICA EM perhaps!!
swift nacelle
Wait is it!???!?!
I don't own the mirages so I don't know much about them, but I know that this is good
cunning sparrow
I don't see you on the friends list search function. buy my tag is Aracnos
swift nacelle
Adding you
swift nacelle
I don't see you on the friends list search function. buy my tag is Aracnos
It might be because I'm on xbox so it goes through the xbox system, not the gaijin one.
what br?
cunning sparrow
one sec. gotta get some skills up. didn't realize i did that much flying last ight
swift nacelle
you own so much vehicles
cunning sparrow
i have up to 8.3 in air with the Vautour and up to 8.0 in ground with the AMX-30 1972
swift nacelle
It looks extremely cumbersome and slow
cunning sparrow
too soon to say. when it's upgraded I'll judge it then. cause stock.... is pain. plus it was ALL UPTIERS to 9.3 last night so i ketop getting missiled and wrekced by far more capable jets
swift nacelle
damn.... The only thing i heard about it is that you just have to rush to bomb the bases
And may you ready up?
cunning sparrow
with what bombs?
swift nacelle
Do they not get bombs? Or was it only the premium one
cunning sparrow
the vautour IIN is an interceptor that gets the matra 511
That’s what i have. Not the bomber
swift nacelle
Where is the IIN? I can only see the IIB and IIA
cunning sparrow
Below the Bearcat
swift nacelle
Ohhh I was looking on the other side
cunning sparrow
The 4 30mm DEFAs are nice though
swift nacelle
That thing looks massive
cunning sparrow
It is
swift nacelle
The 4 30mm DEFAs are nice though
Probably can win headons instantly
cunning sparrow
Depends
cunning sparrow
Oh yeah!!!! Foch is spaded!!
swift nacelle
I despise how the russians can shoot through almost anything
swift nacelle
Oh yeah!!!! Foch is spaded!!
Spaded! Lets actually go
cunning sparrow
Dude i know. USA has same gift. But never when i play em
swift nacelle
American heavy tanks are just very overpowered
swift nacelle
Dude i know. USA has same gift. But never when i play em
I swear it's always the t-series that kill me
cunning sparrow
At least their hulls are weak after the Sherman Jumbo
swift nacelle
yeah... but the m48 hull can somehow stop my 90mm obus de rupture
cunning sparrow
Angles
swift nacelle
just frustrates me
weary furnace
did you see the log? 2000-5F is getting MICA EM perhaps!!
No they're just testing it
cunning sparrow
I said perhaps
weary furnace
I just finished researched the 5F though
I think the CS is better than 5F at ARB for now if the 5F doesn't have MICA
What am I saying they'll probably make it 12.7
cunning sparrow
Probably
swift nacelle
uhmm i have to go cook dinner now
cunning sparrow
Okie dokie
swift nacelle
I might be on later, but thanks for playing with me
cunning sparrow
Np. Twas fun. Time to jump to 6.3 UK
Ah who am i kidding. I have 2 french premiums at 2.7/3.0 for SL grinding
swift nacelle
what are they? (B1 Ter but what else?)
swift nacelle
Is the aa20 good?
swift nacelle
Bro I bounced 12 shots in the amx 13 fl11
me and my friend spawn camped them and we got 14 kills
cunning sparrow
Its surprisingly bouncy
cunning sparrow
O.o starting to get more and more kills with the Nord. Learning how it can and can’t operate. Oh man.
swift nacelle
Manual aiming
Wdym its manual?
swift nacelle
Its surprisingly bouncy
fr is
cunning sparrow
You have to manually guide it in
Like the Nords that oddz uses in GRB
OH OH!!! I just got a MIG-15 with a 511!!!
Now this plane is fun!
swift nacelle
Like the Nords that oddz uses in GRB
Bro how can you use that easily
cunning sparrow
It’s not easy. It’s work
swift nacelle
innit gonna be the same as using the ground nords against planes
swift nacelle
It’s not easy. It’s work
Whats the point of it?!?!??!!??
cunning sparrow
And praying the person isn’t paying attention or thinks is a 511 and chaff will kill it
Earliest missiles in game?
swift nacelle
And praying the person isn’t paying attention or thinks is a 511 and chaff will ...
you actually gonna have to hope that they are the most clueless player known to man
cunning sparrow
Also, they’re awesome in head ons
agile ice
They can be useful for things which are compressing whilst trying to run from you, large targets like bombers which are unlikely to dodge and headons where people don't expect it
cunning sparrow
Its amazing for surpruse headons against cocky russian, swedish, american fighters
Plus it gets you to the 511
cunning sparrow
Which… not great. But fun
I got a mig-15 with it. Situatinal. Decently fast hut bad turning
And the Vautour IIN radar is meh
swift nacelle
ohhhh
swift nacelle
And the Vautour IIN radar is meh
vautour radar better than su22m3 radar (It gets none)
cunning sparrow
Fair
But chaff will wreck the 511
Also against 9.3 jets it’s much worse but the radar sets might he better up there
swift nacelle
But chaff will wreck the 511
Is it that susceptible to chaff?
cunning sparrow
Ooh… the Ouragon is fun. Such an agile beast. Can’t wait to unlock what it can really do
cunning sparrow
They are a bit wonky. Aiming them has been a challenge. Might tracer belt for a bit to learn them
swift nacelle
oh
cunning sparrow
Well they’re under the chin. Which wouldn’t be an issue but it’s also a new velocity.
So… double wammy on the DEFAs
agile ice
Once you get the hang of the DEFAs though they are amazing
Gotta be my favourite gun to use at top tier just because of how consistent it is and how much damage it does
cunning sparrow
Yeah. But i’m not used to it yet
agile ice
Yeah it does have some time to get used to it
They also very similar to the British ADEN if you've used that
cunning sparrow
France is my highest BRs
weary furnace
Gotta be my favourite gun to use at top tier just because of how consistent it i...
I definitely a love hate relationship with it, mostly because of the velocity
Though it does get faster at top tier
cinder geyser
Aquilon 203 When
French Sea Venom that can launch AA-20/AS-20, AS-30, and R-511H
As well as carry HVARs
agile ice
What did they change?
weary furnace
What did they change?
Pulls better
agile ice
When?
weary furnace
Next update I think
Should've gotten this buff a year ago imo but better late than never
swift nacelle
As well as carry HVARs
I want this now
agile ice
Next update I think
Oh yeah it’s on the dev server
weary furnace
I think it's so the event Jaguar is better lol
agile ice
Still useless, took it for a test flight and it took the entire map to get up to mach and even then it topped out at 1.01
weary furnace
I can see getting at least 1 kill with it every match in air rb
But yeah the bases are probably already bombed before you get there so what's really the point of taking it in air
agile ice
Yeah no point in grb either as no lineup to take it with at 10.3 the tech tree one has just 1 less gbu or at 11.3 there is the tornado
agile ice
I love them except when I don't use them for a while and have to get used to them again
swift nacelle
EHHH PzIVH ufp a jumbo!??!?!
cunning sparrow
It can. But it’s hard
cinder geyser
Iirc there's a very specific seam where it has a like, 5% chance
agile ice
I assume it could also be if shooting down onto the front plate as that would mitigate the angle although not sure if that's what happened
cunning sparrow
Well… hard part is the armor itself os still 152mm thick, so without APCR a 75 kwk 39 is not going through
Say. If anyone can tell me if there is any extra drag on the Bouragon to accommodate the reinforced landing gear? It “looks” on the stats to be the same but that’s a enlarged rear wheel wells so…. Idk. Granted i think it’ll be better for GRb thanks to SNEBs but i worry about extra drag and losing performance
agile ice
Say. If anyone can tell me if there is any extra drag on the Bouragon to accommo...
Don't think it has any increased drag but it might have increased the weight slightly however for some reason the engine in the bouragon is lighter than the ouragon despite being otherwise identical
cunning sparrow
I did look up the bouragon and it was a newer designed engine to allow for rougher landing strips to make it more rugged
Hence the reinforced wheels
So almost no change in game except going back to stock for a time. Alright! Thanks man.
agile ice
I did look up the bouragon and it was a newer designed engine to allow for rough...
I mean in terms of thrust they're identical or at least I'm pretty sure they were
weary furnace
Yep, you can land harder in the Barougan because of the reinforced gear but that's it
cinder geyser
So not worth going for I assume
weary furnace
The F1CT should get guided bombs or something
Says it gets some in Wikipedia
Most reliable source of info
swift nacelle
Anyone fancy playing some war thunder?
agile ice
Most reliable source of info
Yeah I wrote that this morning please pass it on to gaijin as a primary source
But realistically with the mirage 2000D there is no reason to use the F1CT
weary furnace
But if the F1CT gets guided munitions you get the wonderful Mirage F1 platform and 256 countermeasures instead of 196
agile ice
I doubt it would get a thermal pod though like the 4000 or Jaguar
agile ice
The 2000D runs?
agile ice
I know
cinder geyser
The Char G1 confuses me
It's a cool concept but what exactly is a semi automatic loading system
weary furnace
Is that the one that looks like the tanks from Warhammer 40k
cinder geyser
Yes
cunning sparrow
Pretty much the leman russ is the char B1/mk V but 40k’d up
weary furnace
I wish the French made plane cannons with actual gun velocity
I would like no skill cannons please 🥺
cinder geyser
Wait is the uh
B26 still 4.7 for France
It is isn't it
Why did the American one go down then??
weary furnace
Why did the American one go down then??
Gaijin forgor
M2000C is the GOAT, 2 v 6 win against F-16's
and I still don't like defa's
swift nacelle
bro this guy teamkills me then doesn't even take the time to say sorry
worldly dock
Currently grinding aml-90
Bit burned out though and tired of getting paired with German teams
Foch is really funny though, just wish I got more kills with it cause it's gonna take me so long to spade
obtuse zealot
@worldly dock
the Foch is amazing.
I got a 15 kill game in it once.
Play it at 7.3 no higher
7.3=downtier, downtier = you're invincible even from your commanders optic
unless a kt shoots you there
but even then it can sometimes do nothing
It's flat 200 with another 200 spaced behind it
go ahead give it a look
obtuse zealot
I got a 15 kill game in it once.
I have this on rec
If you want I can send it too you and you can observe the gameplay, might learn a trick or too
lmk
swift nacelle
Currently grinding aml-90
Bit burned out though and tired of getting paired wit...
Aml 90 is fun after you learn how to use it
swift nacelle
I have negative k/d but I've had fun zooming around on maps
obtuse zealot
slow turret, reload, bad turning circle
swift nacelle
elc bis would be better if it got its 360 turret feature
obtuse zealot
It's fast but most of the time when I played it my heatfs didn't do shart
weary furnace
I have negative k/d but I've had fun zooming around on maps
The point isn't to get kills though it's for support, you don't need positive kd
obtuse zealot
^
swift nacelle
It's great for scouting
swift nacelle
It's fast but most of the time when I played it my heatfs didn't do shart
I only pick off light vehicles and gunners
or barrels
obtuse zealot
really theres not many goo french light tanks with good survivability and good killing power at 7.0-7.7
except the ebr
1963
the aml is good though if you don't have the 1963
The 1963 is just ideal
It has speed, survivability and it's able to kill
maybe I have a bias because I just have the 1963 but
swift nacelle
1963 is great
obtuse zealot
yeh
obtuse zealot
The aml is a good alternative, if not the best if you don't have the 1963.
swift nacelle
The aml is a good alternative, if not the best if you don't have the 1963.
Yeah
swift nacelle
just 20 rounds of unreliable heatfs is sad tho
swift nacelle
it's cool but idk man I want a light tank that's fast
I swear that the amx 13 isn't speedy
obtuse zealot
yeah, for a light tank it just lacks speed
I feel like that's a common occurrence for most other light tanks near its br
obtuse zealot
The Somua SM is faster than the 13 90 lmdao
like it's acceleration is insane
it's not literally faster. in terms of top speed.but feels faster
don't mind the random dots it's a mistake
swift nacelle
it's not literally faster. in terms of top speed.but feels faster
It does feel faster
Acceleration
obtuse zealot
I feel like that's a common occurrence for most other light tanks near its br
I haven't played the aml 90 in a year.or so, maybe more so i can't say this for it
obtuse zealot
yeah I thought that was the case
obtuse zealot
That's why I say all french light tanks around those brs just feel sluggish asf
(not ebr
I like the ebr
feels like a light ta k
swift nacelle
ELC should be a light tank
swift nacelle
Yep
not tank DESTROYER
It's name is literally Engin leger de combat
I have none of the accents on it tho so sorry bout that
obtuse zealot
I just remembered why I hate the aml so much
swift nacelle
why?
obtuse zealot
Its fucking front wheel drive lmfao
swift nacelle
Wait is it???
swift nacelle
That is why it has barely any speed and handles weirdly
obtuse zealot
it is
swift nacelle
but it doesn't slide as much (More traction)
obtuse zealot
Feel free to test for yourself
storm sky
Not that it's gonna slide at the speed it gets to
obtuse zealot
I wanna say I'm right tho because i remember one time when I use to use it I got stuck in a stupid asf spot trying to rock climb with it on Finland, like the rocks that over look the C point on the top spawn of the map.
And I couldn't get out because it doesn't have all wheel drive
smth like that
def check tho
cinder geyser
It's name is literally Engin leger de combat
I mean yes and no
There were something like a Dozen ELC variants
75mm, 90mm, 30mm, rockets, etc
Light Combat Vehicle is the name because it was an air dropped weapon system
Besides that, if the ELC were actually modelled in line with the real vehicle it would have a max firing range of 1000 meters, a range finder, and full turret traverse if it's stationary
swift nacelle
Besides that, if the ELC were actually modelled in line with the real vehicle it...
Wait only 1km??
swift nacelle
Besides that, if the ELC were actually modelled in line with the real vehicle it...
Well the rangefinder isn't too needed
would be a great asset
cinder geyser
Yeah the gun was utter shit
The first version that was installed had a maximum range of 800 meters and in testing it was found difficult to pass 650
So a longer barreled version was created
swift nacelle
The first version that was installed had a maximum range of 800 meters and in te...
Wait no way
no actual way
obtuse zealot
omg
worldly dock
Play it at 7.3 no higher
I'm playing it at 7.7 because I don't have the surbaisse yet
So far works fine so long as I'm not in a full uptier, it's just very not my playstyle. I liked the ca Lorraine a lot more
worldly dock
I swear that the amx 13 isn't speedy
But how much worse is it than the base amx 13?
I saw that the gun only gets heat and genuinely am debating just skipping that one, the base amx 13 has plenty of pen for a light tank even at 7.7
obtuse zealot
I'm playing it at 7.7 because I don't have the surbaisse yet
So far works fine ...
trust me use it at 7.3
it's so much better when you get down tiered
cinder geyser
Wait no way
It's a part of why the vehicle wasn't actually produced
It wasn't really possible to have a turreted vehicle with a sufficiently powerful 90mm gun that met the weight requirements
swift nacelle
But how much worse is it than the base amx 13?
I saw that the gun only gets hea...
Uhmm the gun is extremely wobbly, the amx 13-90 is good but I would take the Char 25t over it
swift nacelle
It wasn't really possible to have a turreted vehicle with a sufficiently powerfu...
Ohhhhhhhhh
that's why
swift nacelle
But how much worse is it than the base amx 13?
I saw that the gun only gets hea...
The 5 second reload is great though
swift nacelle
Bro why are apricots so damn delicious
Like it tastes like an extravagant michelin star restaurant meal
They are scrumptious
weary furnace
Bro why are apricots so damn delicious
The weird peach?
worldly dock
I actually think I am growing to hate the foch
it's so contrary to my playstyle and everything else I like about the french tree
I've been told to play it at 7.3 but there's literally nothing else at 7.3 worth playing
I mean the amx-m4 and the amx-13 still work but ugh
cunning sparrow
The foch ag least has a decently fast reload for the gun. Though the surbaisse makes it feel likr a turtle
worldly dock
usually I like a vehicle more the closer I am to spading it, the foch has been the opposite
cinder geyser
Just get AMX-10M (trust)
cunning sparrow
That thing is so hard to use. The extreme limitation on angels makes it so hard to use
I’m currently working on getting the turreted version of it
cinder geyser
Neither are worthwhile
cunning sparrow
Better than no turret
worldly dock
Neither are worthwhile
really? I'd think it'd be substantially better, cause the missile is ok and very responsive, it only suffers cause the platform is garbage
cunning sparrow
No stabilizer cause fuck france hurts until amx-32 chassis
cinder geyser
really? I'd think it'd be substantially better, cause the missile is ok and very...
Yes but you're then a BR higher too and for as much as the turret helps, the missiles speed and your reload means you have to play at a distance where the turret isn't all that meaningful anymore
swift nacelle
Just get AMX-10M (trust)
That thing is extremely situational
cunning sparrow
The reality of the amx-10m is you have to be a goblin without the versatility of a goblin tank
cinder geyser
It was a stupid addition
The actual 10M was literally just a "it's a cheap platform we can use for firing trials" and not a serious attempt at a vehicle
We could have had the actually series produced 10P/HOT
Instead we got an improperly modeled ACRA testbed
swift nacelle
The reality of the amx-10m is you have to be a goblin without the versatility of...
Yeah...
swift nacelle
We could have had the actually series produced 10P/HOT
I want this
that looks sexy
swift nacelle
The reality of the amx-10m is you have to be a goblin without the versatility of...
I have more aircraft kills than ground target kills with it
cunning sparrow
Helis?
weary furnace
I can see that being a goblin
weary furnace
Do you guys think the Alpha jet will be a better or worse CAS option than the Etentard 4M
cunning sparrow
Worse
dusky wharf
Now to actually research the tree
weary furnace
Now to actually research the tree
How is the Super now that it's 9.3?
dusky wharf
I find it mid
I got a nuke in it
Still don't really like it
The main star for me is the VBCI
Good all around vehicle
dusky wharf
I find it mid
AMX-32 (105) is the same BR and better than the Super
weary furnace
Now to actually research the tree
What about the Santal I literally never seen one in a match
dusky wharf
What about the Santal I literally never seen one in a match
I have yet to use it against aircraft
But stock mobility is good
Gun handling is good
Extremely good turning at low speed
swift nacelle
Now to actually research the tree
Woah, you're so far in front
I'm only at 7.0
8.0*
cinder geyser
WHATTTTTTTTTTTT
Supposedly it was going to include a firing mode where 2 guns could be fired simultaneously
These are the other versions
90mm and 2x30mm
swift nacelle
These are the other versions
the 90mm is the longer gun so it could have longer range (that's what i understood)
and the 2x30 looks great
I've wanted that for so long
cinder geyser
the 90mm is the longer gun so it could have longer range (that's what i understo...
The gun of the EVEN.90 was the Defa 919 with an effective range of 700-725 meters, 600 m/s shell velocity and 300ish pen
swift nacelle
The gun of the EVEN.90 was the Defa 919 with an effective range of 700-725 meter...
Almost the same as the normal gun??
cinder geyser
Almost the same as the normal gun??
90% as good but has the benefit of a magazine
So it would probably be better
And it's a smaller vehicle overall
cinder geyser
It's barely 5 feet tall
So very slightly taller than AMX ELC but less wide and like 18" less long
cinder geyser
About that yes, 182 I think
swift nacelle
Im pissed
An 88mm shell straight to the barrel of an IS1 somehow does jack
and the is1 shoots at my tracks and somehow over pressures me
cinder geyser
Where did you hit on the barrel
A lot of barrels now are basically unless you hit the very end straight on or hit the rest from nearly side on it won't really do anything
swift nacelle
the muzzle break area
or the area thats supposed to have a muzzle break
the very tip
cinder geyser
Yeah you got screwed then
In my experience IS-1 feels easier to break than some other Russian barrels
/KV-85
swift nacelle
true...
swift nacelle
Got brummbar
weary furnace
Got brummbar
Best French tank imo
I bought the Kv-1 and the Ta-154 in the ge sale a couple months ago
swift nacelle
I bought the Kv-1 and the Ta-154 in the ge sale a couple months ago
the kv1 looks good
I aint got a positive k/d in any french tanks
but i've got 3 in german ones
3 vehicles with a positive k/d
cunning sparrow
Ngl, the more i face IS-2s the more i hate them. That barrel is too dam stable without a stabilizer and the armor is busted with volumetric
grand void
Yea I don't like facing most soviet tanks in general
cinder geyser
Volumetric did very little for the IS-2
There's next to no overlapping plates and there's no real places for it to apply otherwise, bar the turret ring
cunning sparrow
And yet the armor bounce’s 75, 100, and 120 obus de rupture without issue. Yet! If i put a long 88 into it it goes up in flames easy cause the cupola is a big aphe/HE weakness
swift nacelle
Ngl, the more i face IS-2s the more i hate them. That barrel is too dam stable w...
Nah IS2s are so easy to pen with the ARL 44's 90mm obus de rupture
that is if the players are stupid and don't turn around their engine
But the turret is busted
Istg that there is volumetrics and its hell
cunning sparrow
Honestly facing the engine towards a solid shot slinger guarantees death as it’ll pen the engine and shred the crew to pieces
Done that many times
cinder geyser
And yet the armor bounce’s 75, 100, and 120 obus de rupture without issue. Yet! ...
I don't really see how it's any sort of surprise that 75mm Obus bounces
Large parts of the armor, even on the worse initial IS-2 hull, give it a 2/3 or higher chance to ricochet
And that's assuming it isn't angled
cunning sparrow
I don't really see how it's any sort of surprise that 75mm Obus bounces
Not surprised anymore. Just irritated
I did complain to gaijij about it cause i felt it was utter bs
cinder geyser
it isnt
60 degrees is a 50% ricochet chance for that shell and the IS front plate is 70-72 degrees
cunning sparrow
Yeah well when it ricochets 100% of the time… or fails to pen between the tracks or on the turret side
Hell that 75 obus de rupture failed to pen Tiger UFP dead on with their chassis facing me. So…
cunning sparrow
In my defense. 100mm of armor at 2 degrees vs 202 mm of pen.
I’m not claiming the tiger is wrong, i’m claiming the shots should have penned but can’t explain why they didn’t
cunning sparrow
I was referring to the IS shots
True. I just don’t like how Solid shot performs in WT. it bounces or shatters on every opportunity but i’ve seen APHE pen and explode at extreme angles. Hence my disparity at the differences and irritation
I guess its just on me being quick to fire at a foe and not letting the IS expose it’s weakness
cunning sparrow
honestly i olve the french tanks. i just don't like that they don't ghet stabilizers until the AMX-32
so 9.3
agile ice
They lack a decent light tank is really my only major complaint, sure the leclerc is not modelled correctly and the round is the oldest top tier one and pretty shit but you can make that work
swift nacelle
They lack a decent light tank is really my only major complaint, sure the lecler...
When Leclerc 5 sec reload
cunning sparrow
never cause gaijin must see france suffer at al costs
agile ice
5 second reload didn't matter until the buffed the abrams and really the abrams is a better tank in game but you also get stuck with american players so
weary furnace
Starting to get sick of playing this thing but
swift nacelle
Woah 7?!??!
weary furnace
Woah 7?!??!
Wouldn't be able to do this if they lower the player count
swift nacelle
true...
weary furnace
France 9.3 lineup good or bad
AMX-30S, AMX-32, -32 (105) and the AA thing
The Santa
weary furnace
Where is my 14 AAM's gaijin
dusky wharf
They pick and choose what they want off those charts
We submitted some for Wessex, GR.7 and Tornado
And they chose piecemeal
agile ice
Finally gave the Leclerc its 5 second reload