Le Baguette Gang

[ionic osprey]

Its like 80 or 90 gjn coin

[molten steeple]

thats like a top tier premium pack

not too bad

[coral tusk]

So I was playing my Mirage F1-C as a stealthy IR missile slinger

And I ran out of missiles and chased 2 dudes back to their runway

Got owned by the Roland 1

Did they buff it or something? I have never in my life seen airfield AA missiles act like this

They were glued onto me like a Pantsir missile and I ate 4 right into my cockpit

Is there anything I can do to not die to those? Also what's the rip speed of the F1 C 200? It gives me a speed warning past 1350 KMPH and I didn't want to push it further and get turned into a F104

[ionic osprey]

But its rank 5 and it has 209mm APHE against T-55s every map is NOT fun

[ionic osprey]

They have a max range of like 6km and you can just hug the ground to evade them

[coral tusk]

I tried that and it did not work, the very first one blew out my tail like 20 meters above ground

[ionic osprey]

Dayum

But like rlly close to the ground

And you can outturn them super easily

[coral tusk]

That's what my normal experience is

Yesterday was the first time in my life I died to airfield missiles

[fallow granite]

The airfield AA Roland's are modeled as the French ones, so they only have 35 degrees of elevation.

Rip speed is around 1370 if memory serves

[coral tusk]

Thanks dudes

[untold sequoia]

Hey quick question is France worth it to grind as a 4/5 Nation? (Air,Ground and Naval)

[obtuse zealot]

don't play naval

air has some gems

ground is good at 7.0-7.7

[coral tusk]

Leclercs are also nice with their 5 second autoloader

[timber harness]

french designers on their way to make a massive, poorly armored wheeled autocannon vehicle, put a mediocre autocannon on it, and act like it isnt dogshit

also a crewed turret with an ammo belt

[coral tusk]

I would still they add that Jaguar or whatever it's called

Wheeled autocannon car with the fire and forget missiles

[coral tusk]

I mean by then you are good as dead anyway

Ones all your ammo goes up in smoke in like a puma or the merkava ifv you usually die to follow up shots or get rushed

[astral dust]

how is french tech tree after 5.0?

JerFrench

[ionic osprey]

5.0 is good

6.7 is good

7.7 is amazing

[coral tusk]

What destroyer said

then it only gets good around 9.0/9.3 (dont remember) where the stabilizers start showing up

[timber harness]

no, it will just oneshot, at least with blowout panels you have a chance to live

[tough dove]

8.7 is absolutely incredible for france

the mephisto and sk105 could both be 9.3 and they'd still be great

not to mention the dca is just a better falcon and amx10rc is amazing for flanking

[obtuse zealot]

mephisto 🤢

i hate that piece of shit

HOT missiles are dogass

they feel like your controling a flying turd bro

[tough dove]

....the missiles are very good

[tough dove]

the vehicle is arguably the BEST missile carrier chassis in the game

it is incredibly **unimaginably **fast, has its optics high above the main hull with decent zoom and thermals at 8.7, it is one of very few missile carriers whose missiles almost never explode when shot in their launcher

the missiles dont have 500kg of explosive mass sure but as long as you're not shooting at something russian and know where to aim and dont just hit it randomly in the side they work great

if you're shooting at something russian it doesnt matter what you're in its going to be frustrating even hitting the perfect shots

there is a reason pretty much every good player likes the mephisto, sure its not turn-your-brain-off-and-get-5-nukes easy like just about every russian lineup but you put some effort into it and the mephisto creams tanks at 9.7 nevermind 8.7

im so tired of people claiming tanks like the mephisto, sk105, elc, amx10m, dca, 10rc, amx m4, vextra, etc. etc. are bad just because they arent as easy as a 2s38 or fox or xm800 or t55, all those french tanks are unbelievably strong if you arent an idiot and take the time to learn so please stop complaining about them and just ask what you're doing wrong instead of blaming the frankly overpowered french tanks (not complaining, I love that france gets some love every once in a while)

god next someone is going to claim the rafale sucks

[coral tusk]

My brother is christ why do you always go on the same rant every day

No one on the planet I know of has ever said that the DCA or the vestra or the 10rc are bad vehicle what group of monkeys do you hang around?

[tough dove]

ive seen plenty of people from discord to reddit to in game claim those vehicles are bad

its the same idiots that claim the mephisto and amx10m are bad

of all the vehicles in the entire french ground tree the one I would say is the most overpowered and least likely for people to complain is somehow bad is the mephisto, yet here we are

id argue br for br its more broken than anything in the entire british or american ground trees as well

[tough dove]

people complain about the 10rc all the time because they think having only an ok apfsds and no stab at 8.3 makes it bad

mark my words at this rate someone is going to say micas and the rafale are bad

[molten steeple]

cant wait to spade the auf and probably never touch it again in my life

[honest mango]

Same

I'm not even gonna ace it, waste of time and money

Not worth it too

My opinion

[molten steeple]

yes

you can just buy the camos anyway, if you really need to for some reason

[coral tusk]

It would be so good if it weren't for the massive forehead

Most of my deaths in that thing are me being mostly behind cover so I can't shoot while someone plops an APHE above the breach and it explodes

[molten steeple]

france 7.3 gave me severe depression

[coral tusk]

I didn't dare go above 6.7 until I jumped into 9.0/9.3

I am just not good at that BR France

It was fun tho with the super fast autoloaders and big bonk shells

[coral tusk]

MD450B Ouragan or the Meteor F for my first rank V French jet?

[chrome ingot]

is there tanks worth grindinh

[fallow granite]

Ouragan. Good dogfighter, poor acceleration though.

A worse dogfighter than the vampires and pure dogfighters though, so remeber that.

[coral tusk]

Isn't that whole BR range dominated by speed and whoever is lucky enough to have an Aim9B?

I usually skip that whole cold war braket but the French jets caught my eye

[fallow granite]

7.7? Nah nothing really has 9Bs there except the sea hawks, and you'll rise them in a dogfight

If you do want speed, go F84G

You trade the 20mms for 50cals though

[coral tusk]

I guess so

I will have to get everything including the foldered stuff and the Benelux line stuff if I want to progress because I am not going down the Mirage 4k and the Mirage F1 route

[fallow granite]

M4K was so sad 😞

No HMD made it basically DOA

[timber harness]

is the french f104 good

[ionic osprey]

No F-104 is good.

Before they were usable since you kept speed quite well above 900.

Now its just ass since the nerf

[timber harness]

ok

[astral dust]

stuat so depressing can't even pen the behind SU-122

even at point blank

[molten steeple]

The what?

Whats a stuat

[astral dust]

the US light tank

m3 stuart

I didn't type it correctly xd

[molten steeple]

Lol

Stuat

[honest mango]

Staut

[molten steeple]

Stout

[obtuse zealot]

I don't see the want to ace everything myself

unnecessary pain and suffering

[obtuse zealot]

I did this once

[obtuse zealot]

which?? The one with the angled front plate that France gets awesome

I take it with my b1ter lineup

along with the char 2c

[molten steeple]

Any stuart is just good

[tough dove]

the low tier one that france has is incredibly overpowered for its br

[coral tusk]

What radar mode should I use on the Mirage F1 ?

The normal SRC is utterly useless because it doesn't pickup anything thanks to ground clutter and I can't fly high in fear of a fakour

[fallow granite]

MTI is the best option, but the 530F that you can carry will still get 1 chaff'd so it's not something to rely on

[coral tusk]

Yeah but it's still pretty good against level 3 wallet warriors who didn't bind a key for countermeasures

And even good players sometimes don't carry chaff so there is always a chance

My preferred method is a close in rear aspect launch to make them maneuver and loose speed and then I can finish them off with whatever I have on hand

[teal hazel]

I'm currently playing the Super Mystere, I only grind the first and 4th Tech tree lines, should I try to play the Mirage IIIC or just skip ahead to the IIIE?

[molten steeple]

i unlocked the little car at 7.7, is it any good?

[dusky wharf]

Not after the turret traverse nerf

Best use the 90mm AMX

[runic apex]

how good is the french seafire

[fallow granite]

3C is very fun imo. An excellent flight model, good kit for its br too.

[fallow granite]

Like all seafires, just worse than spits

[runic apex]

ah ok

[buoyant tide]

reeealy good

[atomic oak]

I got it recently, I was suffering until I realized how good it was as a sniper

It’s bad as an aggressive flanker due to the slow turret traverse

But you can easily get an ace by quickly getting into a position with low cover and peeking out to kill heavies

[tough dove]

its not bad at all as a flanker, its arguably better there than as a sniper because of the horrible drop and mid velocity

the turret traverse isnt great but its not terrible and the chassis is more than fast enough to make up for it lol, just dont play it like a 2s38 where you rush in the middle of a team and rely on snapshots

[atomic oak]

You probably know more about the tank, I just unlocked it

I don't like close up engagements due to machine guns

[tough dove]

oh yea facing mgs really sucks, flanking in its great you just need to be careful you dont over commit and make sure you take out the commander in the first shot if you dont have a kill shot

[atomic oak]

thanks. Unrelated question, is it ok to bring the AMX 90 to 7.7?

I've been doing it as I only have the AML in the 7.7 br

It's been working ok, but I'm wondering if I should repalce it with the next tank I'm researching or wait for a bit

[still thunder]

I just opened the first 2 leclercs, what's the difference with the others? 🙂

[coral tusk]

Good question, I only know one of them doesn't get a commander sight and the azur gets the extra armor

Should I use or skip the super myster, it's at 9.0, looks like a F100 kinda?

[fallow granite]

Normal leclerc is the lightest, but technically has the worst armor

S2 and the rest all have an upgraded armor piece on the right side of the turret, but otherwise the S1 and S2 are functionally the same

S2.1 is an S2 but with commander thermals

The azur is an S2 with additional ERA, and is by far the heaviest

[fallow granite]

Imo, all the French planes between the Ouragan and the Mirages are a waste of time. Spade them for rp if you need, but otherwise save your sanity

[coral tusk]

They do look like utter garbage but

I am probably going to lose my sanity if I have to play another match in the bloody Mirage F1

It's a great plane and I can consistently get a kill or 3 but god damn does it get old fast

I was thinking maybe I try spade the Benelux hunter or maybe the Mirage 5BA/F104? Any of those good?

[fallow granite]

F104 is an F104 lol

the 5BA is, imo, just a worse 3E

basically the same plane but you trade magic 1s for 9Js

and no centerline missile

but it gets more CAS options if thats your thing

[atomic oak]

Any advice for the French 7.7 lineup?

[honest mango]

F84 for cas if you want that
For light Aml-90, AMX-13-90 either one you like or both
For medium Lorraine, AMX-50 TOA 100 or both
For AA, take the AMX-10p

If you want an heavy, take either the Somau SM, AMX-50 Bias or both

If you have the EBR 1963 take that with you, same with the blinde
If you want an TD you can pick the AMX-50 foch

Its very customizable

[ionic osprey]

Tbh, you can easily do a full autoloaded lineup at 7.7, since your CAP options or AA options arent that great.

[honest mango]

yeah, i just gave options

do aa is good, i dont like the amx-10p that much so i wont take it myself

ill just do amx-13, lorraine, tao100, somau, foch, and somethin else

[ionic osprey]

Tbh, my lineup would be EBR (even 1951 cuz I love it) Somua, Lorraine, Surbaissé, AMX-50

[honest mango]

oh yeah i forgor about the surbias

i have 6 crews so i can do 2 heavies, 2 mediums, 1 light, 1 td

[ionic osprey]

I have 6 or 7 crew

I dont remember

Oh, and AuF1 would prob be better AA then AMX-10P lol

[honest mango]

lol

[tough dove]

the 10 crew france lineup at 7.7 is amazing

altho tbh the f4u7 is still better than the f84 with how awful the f84 is

also the tpk is a great spaa, it is 5.7 but the guns are insanely good for 5.7 and still work at 7.7. Its not a shilka but its still worth taking

[runic apex]

any good planes for cas i should know other than the ad-4?

and f4u

[ionic osprey]

Isnt the Tkp 23mm with HVAP?

[ionic osprey]

Depends. F8F can be decent

[tough dove]

yea, its a fun little truck

[fallow granite]

the f4u-7 is better for CAS than the ad-4

[honest mango]

Bombs a lot of bombs

[runic apex]

oh by miles id say

and atleast its not shaped like a box

[molten steeple]

155mm he shell hits the side, breaks only a track on buldog

[coral tusk]

Oof

I have hit their turrets some times and only destroyed their coaxial machine gun lol

Auf-1 just doesn't hit as hard as the others for some reason

[molten steeple]

and yet its 7.3 😭

[ionic osprey]

its 7.0, no?

[coral tusk]

7.0 I think

If it were 6.7 maybe it would be better with all the hellcats and jacksons but who knows

[molten steeple]

Yes its 7.0, im just used to playing it at 7.3

Mb

[cunning sparrow]

Auf 1 is a bit of a joke for boom sticks. It is fast though

[untold inlet]

Yeah. It would be one of the better ones if the VT shell got the good velocity imo

[cunning sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/hercules-pain-panic-if-if-is-good-gif-5298310

[molten steeple]

Okay so auf 1 apparently plays very well if you take it to 7.7 full uptier

[tough dove]

its an okay spg

the problem is its utter crap when compared to other spgs like the vidar and pzh2000 which have better rounds, mobility, lf and with the vidar even thermals

[molten steeple]

apparently m103 cant pen a foch at point blank range

[fallow granite]

180mm at like 50 degrees or something

I don't know of any conventional rounds that can pen the foch

[coral tusk]

Maybe the aphe from the object whatever. The 4 tread Soviet super heavy tank.

[molten steeple]

my god, after 7.3, 7.7 is such heaven, you just bust in, get 6 kills, and then roll away like nothing happened

cant wait to unlock the surbias and have the ultimate lineup

[atomic oak]

Any advice on progressing past 7.7?

Like what’s the ideal research order

[molten steeple]

the 8.0s

then 8.3s

i personally would say, test drive the ones you wanna research, and go from there

[untold inlet]

Work for the 9.3’s. Amx 32’s, Santal, and 30 dca are must plays imo. But don’t sleep on the 8.3-8.7 lights and 30 dca lineup. The mars and 10rc are very fun and shockingly good imo. As well as the sk105 and vbci. Pretty much only thing that isn’t great is the 30b2 and brenus

[molten steeple]

brenus

sounds funny

[tough dove]

honestly the 8.7 lineup is amazing

the sk105 and mephisto are easily some of the best vehicles in the game, the dca is just a better falcon and the 10rc has a huge skill ceiling with the spots you can get to with your suspension

9.7 is fantastic too, the vextra, santal, amx40 and the squadron cv90 are all amazing

[atomic oak]

Honestly I started this tech tree just to get to the 8.7 light tanks and the Mephisto

[tough dove]

its more than worth it

[limpid plume]

how is the air rb performance of the mirage 3e vs the mirage 5ba?

[fallow granite]

if I'm remembering correctly, the mirage 5s are all heavier than the 3s so that they can carry more ground ordinance

so the 5ba should feel like an even heavier mirage

if it's anything like the 5f, you will be miserable

not to mention the worsened air to air payload

[coral tusk]

Yes but flares

I don't think the earlier Mirage 3s get flares

[untold inlet]

The 3c at 10.0 doesn’t but the 3e at 10.7 does

3c is very fun

[severe estuary]

Any idea why the AMX-30B2 has less horse than the regular AMX-30?

[ionic osprey]

Spaded or stock speaking?

[severe estuary]

Both spaded.

[obtuse zealot]

because retaded

[ionic osprey]

Cuz frenchenter spy sound

[deep lichen]

Hey, does anyone have any idea on the french m46, im close to getting it, i have 2 levels left but im not sure if itll be worth buying the battlepass or not. Any advice?

[ionic osprey]

@analog lava

[analog lava]

I have the French M46 as I collect all BP vehicles anyway

I personally like the M46 and M47/M48 tanks as the 46 has good speed and helped me grind some French tanks. Also gets HEATFS and M82 so it can kill anything you face

[digital yew]

This thing any good?

[ionic osprey]

No

[digital yew]

Noted

Many thanks

[fallow granite]

Jag A but slightly worse

Jag A is EXCEPTIONALLY mediocre

[steady saffron]

anyone know what the best french naval premium is to pick up?

[analog lava]

Nothing really

[steady saffron]

damn

[honest mango]

E

[deep lichen]

Thanks for that, the lack of a line up is annoying though. Do you think it will be worth it if i buy to level 125 and get the coupon? It should cost around 5k ge to do so i think. Im thinking since you collect all BP vehicles you might have some insight on what sells on the marketplace well?

[analog lava]

I collect yesnbut also console so no market so I can't help with that side

[ionic osprey]

@untold inlet any tip to play the somua better lmao?

Rn I think I'm sitting at about a 1.5kdr

[untold inlet]

A few brief things, play closer to caps than you otherwise might, do the same as you would on other mid tier tanks and not stop just pull off your throttle to slow down so the bounce doesn’t get you killed, play face up as much as you can even if you’re flanking as your armor is best headon, and pay really close attention to your ammo count. You will run out of ammo FAST. Play around how you can get more ammo if you need it.

There’s not too much else to say, it’s kinda a tank that plays itself but you just need to be careful of ammo

[ionic osprey]

I've ironically been playing it like that and gotten killed by BS T26E5s over and over

Simply because gaijin cant model it correctly somehow

[untold inlet]

You die to corner hull and below gun shots easily

[ionic osprey]

(every fucking time the shell phased through a rock or a building)

[ionic osprey]

The hole turret except cupola has been one shot deaths for me

[untold inlet]

Huh. Interesting

I didn’t have that issue much

[ionic osprey]

Except the cupola (just kills commander)

And somehow I've died more to turret shots then hull shots, even side on

Btw @untold inlet idk if my stats are decent in it yet but if u wanna check em out IGN is the same as discord

62 kills 32 deaths in 25 games

[untold inlet]

Honestly I have no clue what good Somua stats are

That seems solid though

Right around a 2kd is always good to see on tanks

I’m sitting right around there as well

[coral tusk]

Need some advice

I recently got back to the game and ofc the whole 13.0 BR is a sink hole for hornet spam

I am having trouble with them, ones they get behind me I can't shake them in my Mirage F1

[untold inlet]

I’m pretty sure you just need to extend away and then force back to the headon. The hornet will turn inside your circle no matter what you do iirc. I say this and I haven’t flown the f1c

So take my advice with a grain of salt here

[weary furnace]

The F1C is a bus and bleeds a lot of speed so yeah just extend away

Haven't played that thing in ages and have forgotten how to, if I start playing it again the kd would drop to negatives

[still thunder]

Leclerc or Leo2 first?

[untold inlet]

Leclercs

[torn saffron]

Is there some trick to using the 30mm DEFA 451's? I cannot seem to hit the broad side of a barn with them at all on the MD452 IIC, whereas I happily spaded the MD452 IIA with the 20mm's no bother at all.

[coral tusk]

I have no idea myself

I have had more lunch with the Gsh 23 than with any DEFA 30mm

[analog lava]

They have decent velocity out the gun then it bleeds a lot of speed in the air. Personally I hate DEFA 30mm for that and DMG is just sad

[torn saffron]

Skip it and play the IIA instead?

[analog lava]

Up to you really but any 20mm are better than the 30 DEFA for me

[torn saffron]

Literally out of another game with it, and its like you need to see into the future to figure out where the damn things are going to end up.

[tough dove]

thats is maybe the worst take ever

the 451s sure they suck by the 554s are insanely good with decent velocity and amazing fire rate and damage

there are tons of variants of the 30mm defas and sure some of them suck but some are great

the 552s are also pretty solid

[tough dove]

yea play the 20mm variants until you get the IVA

in all honesty though until you get to the mirage 3s french air is a bit mid, once you get to the mirages tho its consistently one of (and imo) if not the best air trees out there

[analog lava]

I mean whatever model 30mm DEFA the Ayit has is just garbage for me no matter belt or anything. Spark more than any Hispano 20mm ever did. Also they do lose velocity insanely fast for like all or most 30mm DEFA models

[tough dove]

thats 30mm in general and even then the 554s are pretty good on velocity for a 30mm

[jaunty grove]

This isn’t advice but I gotta share this with my fellow frenchies, I finally got to see the bias machine and gaijins most hated tank (char25t my beloved):

[fast osprey]

Whys the Char25t Most hated

[jaunty grove]

Mist Hardy?

[fast osprey]

Most hated

[jaunty grove]

Cause it went to 8.0 a while back

[fast osprey]

France Goated

[fast osprey]

Proof France doesent suffer

[torn saffron]

I was told the IVA was "Bad"? no?

[tough dove]

its not great but its not terrible

[obtuse zealot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1147022939938631741/1294792098759053384/togif.gif

[ionic osprey]

peek

[fast osprey]

Is the French Bomber - CAS line even worth researching

[compact tree]

hey le bagguete gang, is france worth grinding? was thinking of buying somua pack and yak 3 on sale so i can grind air and ground

[ionic osprey]

Yes

[untold inlet]

Absolutely. Yes.

[untold inlet]

Unless you’re running 3 aircraft at high tiers, not really. No.

2000 d rmv is probably the only thing that’s truly worth it but 🤷‍♂️

[fast osprey]

Thing is for top Tier I know I won’t Need any of them but for like the 9.0-11.0 area im concerned

[untold inlet]

Don’t need any of them for that range of grb. They are only useful for tt grb

[fast osprey]

Wdym by that

Also how worth is the benelux tree

[untold inlet]

They are all bad in grb except for the very last plane which is good for tt grb

[fast osprey]

Okay

[fast osprey]

Is the rafale better at tt?

[untold inlet]

Yes. The rafale is one of the best planes in the game.

[fast osprey]

Which ones are better then it

[honest mango]

Eurofighter Typhoon is pretty nice

[fast osprey]

Fair

[untold inlet]

Euro in some situations

[tough dove]

the euro is much better at altitude but the rafale cleans it at closer ranges, the euro trades closer range performance for superb high altitude performance whereas the rafale does the opposite (that being said they both are still better than any other planes in game by a lot)

micas are also just so damn good at close range whereas amraams are pretty terrible by comparison

[fast osprey]

Okay thanks

[tough dove]

Also just to clarify both aircraft are relatively close in performance in most aspects, a good rafale pilot will still beat a mediocre eurofighter pilot at high altitude and a good eurofighter pilot will still beat a good rafale pilot at close range

[fast osprey]

Okay fair

[coral tusk]

Wonder what we will get for the 3 vehicle pack

The top tier premium is... I am not sure if I would be more disappointed with the proto Leclerc being premium or with the copy pasta premium we have now

[tough dove]

...just dont buy it?

the VBCI is already an amazing premium as is the somua just use one of those lol

[coral tusk]

Neither is really on the list. I have the AMX 30 super and even though I have grown tired of it I have gotten 9.3 so might as well push on a little more

Depending on where the proto Leclerc goes in the tech tree I could probably grind that and just throw a talisman on it if I was really desperate

[honest mango]

Prototype leclerc goes on Leclerc line

10.7

[coral tusk]

Ohhh baby

I am set for life then

[tough dove]

buddy if you're already at 9.3 just grind using those vehicles lmao its not that hard

lmao

[coral tusk]

I suppose not

[coral tusk]

But I would have gotten it had it not been a copy pasta leopard 2

If nothing else then to bolster my lineup/bring it up to Leclerc BR

[timber harness]

scout drone ahh moment

[hollow plaza]

How is the mobility of the leclercs compared to type90s, VT4a1s and m1a2s?

Looking to grind France, but I'm kind of tired of the low mobility of leopards

[ionic osprey]

Low mobility? Leopards? This is baguette gang, not #1072878511221657642 !

[hollow plaza]

Oh you know I mean COMPARATIVELY

but it is a serious question, like can I get where I need to go ahead of the heavier, more armoured tanks?

[coral tusk]

CV9035 is amazing

I am having a lot of fun even with just a stock tank, can't wait to get APFSDS

Is there any playstyle I should particularly try with it?

So far I have held back slightly or flanked and it has worked really well for me

[analog lava]

Flanking is required for like all low caliber gun IFVs and such TBF

[coral tusk]

Yeah but I felt like the 35mm was pretty good

Track somebody as they peak a ridge or break someone's barrel it's fun

Anything light just got melted because even though the rate of fire is meh the damage is great

[analog lava]

Well DMG is mid like all low caliber TBH

Just no armor stuff normally had a lot of ammo or 3/4 crew in a row

Sprut as example is 3 crew kill driver/commander or gunner in 1 shot

Even as IFV

[coral tusk]

Generally anything not a Soviet medium was easy enough

I don't really play autocannon stuff much so I can't be sure but the damage was reliable

[coral tusk]

Are the CV9040s similar? I am very tempted to go into Sweden because they are full of light tanks like this

[analog lava]

Yeah since low caliber APDS/APFSDS has like no spall

But 40 can 1/2 tap ammo most times unless T series

But ready rack is trash on them

[coral tusk]

Yeah I noticed that

[coral tusk]

Honestly its a toss up. Sometimes you graze it and they go boom other times your shell goes right through and does nothing.

[runic apex]

which is better cas? the thunderjet or the or the ouragan

[fallow granite]

Ouragan is better overall, but harder to use.

[coral tusk]

I have been using the Santal and it feels like its in the top 3 worst but most fun IR missile AA to use

Is there something I can do to shoot at helicopters tho? Like I can see them and radar lock but the IR seeker just doesnt pick them up even if its a sunny day and no clouds in the background

[analog lava]

Welcome to IRs vs choppers

Unless they have contrast mode like strela and such

[coral tusk]

Even with contrast mode its a toss up I feel like

Whats worse is I cant really lock onto their ATGMs either so I can neither trick fire nor intercept anything

[analog lava]

Also welcome to gaijin nerfing nato missiles

[coral tusk]

See heli

Die

[analog lava]

To lock choppers ATGMs need the IR mode not contrast personally don't have anything with those missiles yet

[coral tusk]

I couldnt lock the first german heli from 3km in Sinai like come on man surely MISTRAL isnt that bad

[coral tusk]

Normal IR lock doesnt seem to work well either not on the Santal anyway.

[analog lava]

IDK just know gaijin nerfs nato manpads

Because of the igla

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For other MANPADS systems, open sources indicate a higher overload such as 18, 20 and even 25g in the case of the Mistral 1 MANPADS. However, these MANPADS systems have only slight differences in the area of aerodynamic surfaces compared to the 9M39, so a multiple increase in average achievable overload compared to the 9M39 cannot be expected. We believe that the slightly higher overload of other MANPADS systems is mainly due to the slightly higher maximum speed of the missiles in comparison with the 9M39 MANPADS missile. Therefore, we assume that for the MANPADS FN-6, FIM-92 and Mistral, the documents indicate the peak overload achieved at the moment when the rudders are in the maneuver plane. With this assumption, the average available overload for the half-cycle of rotation of these MANPADS will be 63% of the peak and will be consistent with the data on the available overload of the 9M39 MANPADS.

^^^^
Thats gaijins owns post about it like multiple sources of 18 to 25 G in thr case of mistral

[coral tusk]

Hmm so

People who make the missile and use the missile say 25 G

But gaijin basically says ok fine but we think we know better..?

Bruhhh

No way the Stinger or Mistral are that bad. Stinger speically was the bane of anything soviet that ever flew so its absurd how meh it is in game

[analog lava]

Welcome to base model stinger from the 80s

All nato manpads are nerfed hard Mistral should be 25G from what me and a lot of others found stingers are 22 for base version when we have like late 90s or early 2000s model iirc

[coral tusk]

I dont get why they are artificially nerfed

Your average Su25 takes 2-4 stinger/mistral and odds are he will just suicide dive you and kill you with the 30mm

It took me 3 mistrals to kill a Mi24 the other day

...

How

Why

[analog lava]

1. Because its gaijin
2. They refuse to do the 2 plane guidance for missiles
3. Refuse to buff them even without 2 plane could just make them more Gs
4. They hate buffing nato things

Fun fact AIM-54s are also supposed to be like 25+ Gs

[coral tusk]

XD

I am just glad we dont have R37s flying around

[tough dove]

ahem at least the leclerc isnt artificially nerfed right? ....right?

[coral tusk]

surely not

Its not like the BVM can take two shots in the autoloader and just blow up a leopard 2a7

[tough dove]

Oh well at least they didnt do something stupid like artificially buff russian mbt's and their ERA

[coral tusk]

And I say that as a guy who plays only Russia in top tier

(I dont have leopards or leclercs yet and Abrams in a tin can)

[tough dove]

Dont worry tho, to solve both these problems gaijin has said they wont give leclercs their modern dart because that would surely break the game

[coral tusk]

I see

How very thoughtful

[steady saffron]

I understand why people want a better dart with the leclerc, but I’ve never had trouble with the current one.
Tbf I played a lot of top tier Britain and Germany before I touched France so I guess I have game sense
And I do want the better dart just to trigger the soyviets

[coral tusk]

The one thing I love with Soviet dart is reliability. If it pens (It almost always does) it will do some, more often than not it will do a lot of things

Where as other shells sometimes just pass right through and do nothing

Or that's my experience anyways

[ionic osprey]

Alteast Mango has better postpen then M735 or M774

[coral tusk]

Mango has always been better than most shells I feel like

[steady saffron]

Russian shells feel like they just hit harder more consistent

German t72 is still in my 10.0+ lineups for that reason tbh

[ionic osprey]

Shouldnt be

You have way better options overall

[astral dust]

what should I grind for next

[ionic osprey]

Depends

[untold inlet]

Ad4/f4u7

[coral tusk]

The new top French AA is looking good? I don't really have much of an understanding of these newer multi vehicle systems but the new system is good right?

[dusky wharf]

Broken asf rn

In a bad way

[untold inlet]

Should be good if and when the bugs are worked out

Or at least usable

[tough dove]

if done to irl spec it would be the best spaa especially considering IRISTs awful performance in ukraine, but this is gaijin, so who knows

[timber harness]

I have proof that gaijin hates france

all the other m55s are 18k RP but the french one is 26k

literally unplayable

[west crystal]

Hello i have a major question to ask. I have been in a dilma if i should grind Japan or France. Which one in your guys opinion is better and why. I have grinded Sweden and i work so i want something to grind, Im up to rank 4 with Japan and rank 5 with France

[ionic osprey]

France is better IMO until rank 6

Rank 5 france is amazing

Japan at rank 6+ starts to outshine IMO

[untold inlet]

Posting this in both channels. I don’t think you can go wrong with either one. Japan is strong throughout the entire tree. Basically everywhere that is a lineup is a good enough lineup. Personally I think Japan has some of the strongest lineups 8.3+ for ground vehicles. France is similarly positioned where the 7.7+ lineups are, for the most part very good with the exception of 8.3/8.7 that takes a lot more skill and experience to play. I think both nations are worth playing as they have good low tier, mid tier, high tier, and top tier lineups.

[coral tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-chat-dead-chat-skeleton-gif-25954239

How's the jaguar (the IFV not the jet)

[tough dove]

incredible

it could go up to 11.7 and it would still be amazing

the gun is insanely good, the missiles are just better spikes, the chassis and fcs are great and its surprisingly survivable

plus 11.0 gets constant downtiers

[keen brook]

i wanna get a french top tier prem , i am undecided between leo and amx. which is more fun

[coral tusk]

I dont have leo but the AMX 30 Super is great fun, the mobility is awesome, the armor is paper but sometimes bounces other times someone skims a APFSDS on your room and your ammo goes off

Shell is decent but can struggle a bit sometimes

Coax .50 comes in handy

[tough dove]

both are at good brs though the amx is imo better, you get more downtiers and its a very good tank for the br, not great armor but everything else is solid

[coral tusk]

Why is the Mistral seeker so bad on the SANTAL?

I couldnt lock an Alouette even at 2.5km and an AH1-G at 2km

Surely its not that bad

[dusky wharf]

Just MANPAD things

[coral tusk]

The sad part is, I locked the AH 1 at 1.5km but it was too close for the missile to maneuver and I got deleted

[coral tusk]

I thought having radar was a good thing but it's actually frustrating to see the pings and lock stuff but not be able to shoot because the missile isn't doing missile things

Still, pretty fun when it works

Is the AMX 30 ACRA any good?

[dusky wharf]

It also lacks IFF

[coral tusk]

True!

It seems to lock friendlies more than enemies

[lone isle]

So how is the total of France at 8.7 and 9.3? I got the 30dca and the 30B2. Now I'm working on the Brenus, it seems like 8.7 is a powerhouse of a BR for the Baguette, does it get better at 9.3 with the stabilizers?

[dusky wharf]

You have both B2, MEPHISTO, SK-105 and the DCA

9.3 is kinda a deadzone but 9.3/9.7 as a lineup works

[molten steeple]

the amount of people shooting me in the roof or the ufp in the ARL44 is suprising

you would think people would know by now but apparently not

[lone isle]

8.7 is coming along. The DCA even after losing APDS is still a monster. Almost got the Brenus to boot. What planes do ya'll usually run at 9.3 France for ground RB?

[tight marsh]

People don't know how to deal with arls

People just could not kill mr when I angled it

I could easily pen anything I fought

That thing is a cheat code

[molten steeple]

absolutely, which is why it invetiably will move to 6.0 at some point

i just have a gut feeling about it