Wider necks for male remastered red deer

[lofty wadi]

Ive had people say that the new remaster red deer male looks like a female but with antlers and I kind of agree. And searching for red deer photos, Ive seen they have huge necks from their jaws, almost their cheeks, to their chests but the new model doesnt so that might be what they are missing. Btw I know these are brand new and it is to early to ask changes for something that hasnt even come out yet, but I have to.

[gilded oar]

The remastered red deer look fine, they’re a massive improvement over the Disney-looking models from the previous remaster.

The issue isn’t the stags neck being “wrong”, as everyone is suggesting, it’s the absence of the mane they grow with their winter coat that is making the neck look off to some people. It’s a strange omission, since it means we’ll be roaring in stags that still look like they’re in their summer coat, but the model itself isn’t at all inaccurate.

I’m not sure why EW removed the mane, especially since the previous model had it and it does look much better.

IRL if you are targeting red stags during the roar or winter period, that thick mane is a standard part of the animal’s appearance. So it does makes sense that people notice when it’s not there.

Red stags necks do swell considerably during the roar, though not to the extent people have been claiming. If they simply add a decent mane like we saw with tahr or the last remaster, this model would look fine.

[lofty wadi]

yeah I was thinking that if they removed it, it must be for a good reason cause they obviously know what they are doing but anyways the new model looks great obviously ,their face looks a whole lot better for example, the neck is the only thing I can tell is different

[untold pelican]

Best case scenario is that it’s like the red fox and mountain goats with fur length, where some fur types will feature the mane and some won’t, still rather strange though

[ruby stone]

This is definitely a problem; the necks are way too skinny. I hope they fix this, but I fear they won't. Imo their eyes are also too big, they look kinda cute, which is weird... I honestly prefer the chunky, impressive-looking current models over the new kinda scrawny-looking ones.

[inner pumice]

One thing I hope they do is fix the size of the antlers as they're comically large for a red deer as it stands rn

[inner pumice]

Planet Zoo has a pretty good red deer

[gilded oar]

The Planet Zoo model has the complete opposite problem. Way too large head and too thick a neck, it looks like a bulls head on a deers body. The hind looks perfect though 👌

[untold pelican]

I wouldn’t say they’re super off the mark, tho planet zoo does give their animals a bit of a bigger head as a style thing fsr. They at least get the ear shape correct and do the overall structure of the face quite accurately

[noble birch]

Red Deer models for Way of the Hunter

[gilded oar]

May have just been the front facing angle of the first pic you shared. Aside from the head the body does look really good. I do like Way of the Hunter’s red deer models, they seemed to do a pretty decent job for a deer so many devs seem to struggle with 😅

[untold pelican]

lol I didn’t send the first pics and yeah way of the hunters models are pretty good though I would like their deer’s manes to be more ragged (no idea if that’s possible with the engine they use tho)

[inner pumice]

I think objectively, EW will never please everyone because everyone has their specific idea of the platonic red deer

[inner pumice]

That being said, I do think some things can be fixed like the males needing thicker necks or the antlers being proportionally way too big

[untold pelican]

They are oversized for sure though part of the reason they’re so ridiculous is because they’re based off new Zealand red deer, I wish they were split into subspecies I love some of the smaller racks and some of em could easily be diamonds if they were their proper subspecies

[inner pumice]

Yeah I'd prefer more typical red deer in different maps. At least one that doesn't look like a monstrosity

[gilded oar]

I really do wish they had remastered the red deer tru-racks. I’ve always hated the farmed stag style of antlers red deer always seem to have.

The current jump from silver to gold is also way over the top IMO. The way they are currently we are going from immature, still developing stags to farm released behemoths.

There is no way a gold red stag should hold 20+ points, that would be a record breaking stag of several life times IRL and should only be considered for diamonds and great ones.

We really need more mature, even 10–12 and 14–16 pointers which would be much better fits for gold stags.

[fading pollen]

To be fair those aren't even genuine red deer anyway. They're not free range and don't start out the same way as wild red deer do in New Zealand which is why it annoys me so much to see photos of stags like these and then people actually believe these are what Red Deer are actually like in the country.

[untold pelican]

No I’m very aware these are like the farmed whitetail, they just don’t get that big anywhere else (people, at the time tru-racks were being introduced, wanted to see stags like them represented) but a lot of em in certain areas don’t ever get the chance to get normal big cause of the management done with poison (also the bottom right was either an escaped farm deer or wasn’t one, my taxidermy teacher got lucky there the property he was on was surrounded by the management (poison) zones I guess)

[noble birch]

The new model with a Full body

[noble birch]

The Bez Tines are missing

The Old Model Red Deer

I really like this 3D model's antlers and the mount.
Credit Art: livintheclouds

[untold pelican]

That’s the 1st one none of those have tru-racks these are the models being replaced

[noble birch]

I like the body and its furs but not the some oversized antlers.

[untold pelican]

Yeah unfortunately they didn’t mess with the antlers I have the rack they show the new model with in my lodge, kinda dumb that it can score diamond when it’s missing the bez tines

[noble birch]

I hunted these deer myself, and I like the proportion of their antlers to their bodies.
Even though these ones don’t have bez tines, I hope to find similar deer with bez tines for my trophy collection.
To me, they look very good!

[noble birch]

Personally, I don’t like these mythic and legendary antlers. I dislike the mythic antlers design. They’re disproportionate compared to the body.
In real life, the deer wouldn’t even be able to carry them.

[untold pelican]

Well I watched an early access vid (Flinters) and I can confirm none of the stags furs have the mane idk who made that call but it really makes the current model look better than the new one

[noble birch]

Spain’s national record Iberian Red Deer, harvested in the free range in Zamora Province, in the region known as the Lands of the Wolves.
Beautiful!

[noble birch]

I suspected. There aren't many images of the new model to evaluate.

[fathom flare]

Is this elephant neck big enough? 💔

[noble birch]

Because of the neck fur.

[inner pumice]

Does anyone have pictures of what a diamond red deer would look like when excluding the farmed monstrosities?

Just as a reference. Like the kinda deer that'd be a record trophy but still looks wild

[fathom flare]

Something like this

[gilded oar]

Red stags above 300 DS are considered trophies in New Zealand.

I would consider diamonds to be 340+ DS. The first two images are pretty even but the last image I consider to be sufficiently wild.

[inner pumice]

Yeah these are perfect

[inner pumice]

EW, for the love of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, make these the new diamonds as the current farmed looking ones are just kinda hideous

[inner pumice]

Also, this isn't me saying the EW modelers suck for making the antlers look like this. I just find such unnatural trophies to be, pardon my French, quite butt ugly and the more organic looking ones (see the above images) are far more aesthetically pleasing by a country mile

[noble birch]

Screenshot of a mythical Red Deer (the Albertina Stag) that I harvested during a mission in Hirschfelden, for comparison with the new model.
Image Credit: @noble birch

[noble birch]

Remastered?!

[formal bolt]

This looks perfect. I really hope they take this into consideration. They did an awesome job on the remodels overall but these few tiny things really makes them look “off”- similar issue with the manitobans on Askiy.

[fair hedge]

Yeah. I know 3D modelling is hard. But it would really be just some little changes to tweak the look. And boy, don't get me started with the manitobans..😭

[untold pelican]

All the elk are rough seems to be EW’s weakness

[fathom flare]

Yes, but we still dont know if there are more variations

[lofty wadi]

I did this on paint xd I just kinda make his neck wider and shape a little bit his body

its a red deer thats a new piebald fur in case yall dont know}

[ruby stone]

Im super dissaboined by the new red deer, not only did they make the body less acurate (although it is higher quality now) they didnt fix the one thing red deer needed, more reack variation especially for the dimes. Such a missed opportunity and slight waste of time, they should've just remastered the sika instead...

[inner pumice]

I know the modelers can do better

[fair hedge]

They definitely can. The quality is there. They are like sooooo close to having the model right. It just needs a bit of tweaking. Tiny bit, and it be perfect.

[inner pumice]

Yeah and as someone who models animals sometimes, I can tell the people at EW now are skilled