Move mountain lions to class 4

[nova gate]

Mountain lions in game are to high on classes. Real life mountain lions are about the same size as deer whitetail not mule deer.

[pure whale]

Predators tend to be higher in class for some reason, after all the lion and tiger are in the same class as the buffalo.

Also the snow leopard takes up the class 4 slot (irl the snow leopard and the M lion are 100lbs difference in max weight with the M lion being larger).

But the class system is just a confusing mess, initially more intended for weapon ethicality rather than an animal size chart though they semi correlate

[mossy jewel]

Oh yeah the class system desperately needs a revamp

[steady spoke]

Even if they belong in C:4 with predators it makes sense to bump them up 1 class for danger lvl. Otherwise, I agree that classes are not accurate in the slightest esp. when you consider authentic game weights which EW over exaggerated with for various species. I made a post a long time ago on how it should be. Though I havn't updated it with the newly added species.

[mossy jewel]

You should have 1 post you have all your wishes in so that we can bump and upvote it

[steady spoke]

😅 The Chat text cap wouldn't allow it if I did. When I 1st joined the forum I did have a list I posted with things I wanted added to the game at 1st but it was so long ago I'd likely have trouble dredging it back up. Esp. After they updated how the feedback is now organized. Also bumping was addressed & mentioned when Vivi posted the changes.

[mossy jewel]

Then ig have a few main posts you update.

But besides that, how are my suggested changes and would you incorporate them in your posts?

[steady spoke]

@mossy jewel - I havn't really been in the forums as much and I do tag various posts in mine if they relate. Unlike most ppl that get offended when ppl add their threads, I encourage ppl to add them to mine esp. if it's related to the post topic. As for your topics they do raise valid points for the community to discuss on. I want to believe the devs are taking notes but I find it difficult to believe they look at every feedback post let alone all the chats. I'd wager they skim most of them & casually follow topics that tie into their current projects.

[delicate kernel]

wolves should be class 4 Puma/mountain lion are fine in class 5 (IMO) but wolves have no business being class 6

[green lava]

That’s kinda weird putting cougars in Class 4 is like putting Common Leopards in Class 4 or 3, who are they fourth largest wild cat in the world behind Tigers, Lions and Jaguars so if anything would putting them in a higher class like a class 6 or 7 make more sense?!

[little compass]

Cougars irl aren’t that tough, no need to put them in Class 6, and especially not Class 7 alongside Alligators, Black Bears, and Elk. Most people I know hunt Cougars with 6.5 or .308, and that is more than enough to bring one down. A .375 is just insanely overkill of them.

African Leopards make more sense for Class 7 seeing as they’re insanely tough animals that can tank pretty monstrous rounds like .338 and .375.

[little compass]

I think Gray Wolves would be good in Class 5 alongside Cougars, but bring Iberian Wolves down to Class 4. They’re a good bit smaller than your McKenzie Valley (Yukon and Askiy) and Eurasian (Medved) subspecies of Wolves.

[delicate kernel]

i still think gray wolves should be class 4, myself and my friends have smoked them with .223s across 4 difrrent provinces

[little compass]

I mean I’ve killed a handful of wolves in my life (all with 6.5 Creedmoor) and they’re by no means the toughest animals to take down, but I still think they should be a class higher than the Iberian Wolf, and having Iberian Wolves in Class 3, the same Class as Lynx, feels really weird.

[delicate kernel]

true

[steady spoke]

Cats
Bobcat - C: 2
Eurasian Lynx - C: 3
Snow Leopard - C: 4
Couger/Puma - C: 5
African Lion - C: 9
Bengal Tiger - C: 9

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Other Predators
Gray Fox - C: 1
Red Fox - C: 2
Coyote - C: 3
Iberian/Gray Wolves - C: 4 (Danger Lvl with a pack = C: 5)
American Gator - C: 7
Black Bear - C: 7
Grizzly - C: 8
Eurasian Brown Bear - C: 8
Saltwater Croc - C: 9

Based on Authentic weight & Size and before ppl debate with me Eurasian Lynx they are smaller than Snows in weight & length but are the same height & just as capable over the other lynx. Gray Fox are smaller than Red Fox in every way & Coyotes are bigger than Red Fox by a fair amount. As for cougars yes C:4 is an accurate assumption although given their demeaner & behavior their a C:5 with the danger lvl. Or if it makes some feel better their hunt lvl since nearly every predator here could or can take prey at least a Class or 2 above them with the exception of C: 8-9 that are both technically considered to be dangerous game & are classed as Apex Predators.

[little compass]

Gray Foxes being Class 1 is something I’d definitely like to see. Irl they’re a lot more gracile than they are in game.

[green lava]

Yeah but Leopards are a bit Smaller than cougars

[little compass]

Leopards are still way tougher than cougars, and therefore should be in Class 7, maybe even Class 8. You’ll never see someone hunting a Leopard with a .223 or a .308.

[pure whale]

If the current class system is kept I’d say snow leopard is fine at class 4 but could be bumped to 5, mountain lion/puma are fine at class 5.

Future leopards should either be 5-7 depending on species (Arabian leopards are surprisingly small tho I’d be surprised if they made it into the game).

Jaguar would be class 7 or 8 and if they add more tiger and/or lion species they’d be 8 or 9

[steady spoke]

Snows imho should remain at 4, however I do agree that African Leopards should be 6 or 7. Despite the similar size comparisons to puma & snows African Leopards have a serious attitude among the other cats and to me (unlike wolves) should be a true C:6 max C:7

[pure whale]

Yeah I think they’re good in class 4 if they add a proper way to hunt long range off of cliff faces like some irl goat hunts it might be a different story but they’re good as they are