#Predators hunting "COMPROMISE"

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worthy egret
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So I want predators to hunt again, most people disagree with this idea and the main complaint I've seen about predators hunting is that they shouldn't kill trophies so in order to do that I suggest this five things

  1. Instead of killing an animal in game just spawn a dead prey in the needzone of the predators fully claimable but it gives almost no money at all
    2.Predators only chase females
  2. Predators attack a single fixed species in any given map
    Ex. Puma-Axis female and RME female, Lynx Musk deer female and male mountain Hare, Lions, female kudu or to save the multi-mount Female springbok etc.
  3. Bears don't chase
  4. All predators get stalking animations
    This way we don't lose any animals and it doesn't mess with grinding but it gives the more realistic impression that predators are at work
    [Edit] This was edited with better ideas
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mossy heart
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If lions are going to hunt again they should target female wildebeest and gemsbok

worthy egret
thorn cipher
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I think it should work how the wolves and pumas currently do, just added to more species. I can see this messing with zones and spawns pretty majorly, cause if you have a zone with one male and one female and the predator takes out the female… you suddenly have a singleton zone that respawns won’t join. Then you’d either have to delete the zone and hope it comes back, or leave it as a singleton.

worthy egret
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What is wrong about a singleton Zone?

thorn cipher
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Where if you have a zone of 2 animals and you go and shoot an animal from a different zone it’s possible that the respawn will join the zone of 2 and the zone can grow.

worthy egret
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Also it might be important for me to add how important I think it would be that predation should stay away from GO species so it doesn't interfere with HM-grinding at all, like the Heavy duty Grinding not just Diamond Grind

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Maybe just making Stalking animations for all predators could work, it's more likely to see a predator fail anyways

thorn cipher
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True, I have greatly enjoyed seeing wolves run the bison on Yukon, though it needs some tweaking so they don’t out run/ run through the herd lol

worthy egret
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I think classic had the perfect work around, just spawn an already dead female elk in a wolf feed zone could do wonders

thorn cipher
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Might be cool for certain species could “lock into” an animation like if a wolf pack gets close enough to an elk they could surround the elk and one wolf would lunge for the neck and the elk could rear and hop over the wolf and escape, or a lion jumping on a Cape buffalo an getting knocked off, stuff like that. Then you’d still have the hunting aspect without the loss of animals.
It would be a ton of work though.

worthy egret
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I'd be super happy with that tbh, but everytime I suggest new hunting animations I get down voted to oblivion

thorn cipher
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Lotta folks hate the spook mechanic for predators when they’re targeting a species, it was a major issue with pumas on Parque for awhile so I’m not super surprised folks don’t want a possible repeat of that. Predators in general need an overhaul imo, like cats being rarer, bears not spooking from lynx, etc.

worthy egret
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I also agree with that

oak lichen
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Yes to this. I’m all for more realistic animal interactions between species + new animations, but the biggest downside would be the trophies that could get lost to them. This would be a dope compromise. :) heavy support!

mossy heart
worthy egret
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They make it even more than males, most big 4 females make diamond, lvl 5 females are almost always max weight and score

jolly sail
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I Like this Idea, Yes, there may be a solution! I want a "dummy fake animal" been chased, like an obvious fake animal you would say, I dont need to/not interested on Shoot that one, I want the big one, and when the AI of that fake dummy prey decides, it becomes a food source for the predators and become a "feed zone(?)" (and reuse the carcaz model)

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The dummy prey AI could look like old or sick animal that wouldn't really be able to out run their predators, Or a small model or very young animal of an specific species, a baby basically(old games like Hunting Unlimited 2008 has baby animals with predators, and maybe injured animals, like broken legs actually leaves them not able to run away(horrible image, but thats even More Reason to get an Ethycally letal shot))

queen zinc
austere kindle
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IRL predators usually go for the young, weak, and sick first, as they are always the easiest targets. As such I’d imagine the most commonly preyed upon animals would typically be those with the least trophy potential.

I personally have no problem with predators hunting any and all prey species as this is realistic and I prefer realism over gameplay. But if the community needs a compromise to include these mechanics, I would simply make it so that predators only target the lowest difficulty levels of each species.

Trivial rated animals for example are rarely going to make diamond so would be fair game for predators. Trivial rated animals are also representative of the youngest and easiest prey of a species so it remains realistic that these would be the animals picked off before high scoring males.

worthy egret
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I think part of the compromise will be not to mess with the respawns so just a good illusion of predation should do

stray torrent
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Puma killed a boar in rdr2. The horsemen scared the puma away. After a while comes a fox and arrived an eagle. They are ate the boar so naturally. Fox face stained with blood. Other animals fighting hunting and playing. Why is this happening in a cowboy story? Why supposedly real hunt simulator so arcade? Maybe because lot of hunters want only one things. Rare g1 and quickly. Dangerous of lions were nerf by community request. Don't forget about it.

thorn cipher
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thorn cipher
# stray torrent (Obscure 33 has a small team). Yes rdr2 is arcade but cotw the same. Our communi...

Hey not saying Cotw doesn’t have issues or that the dev team couldn’t be doing better, I’m just stating rdr2 isn’t a good comparison and we can’t expect work of that magnitude quickly out of 50 people. I’m all for change I’d rather the great ones be scrapped or changed entirely (I hate grinding and am not a fan of the fantasy designs) but I’m definitely in the minority there it seems.

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worthy egret
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I really support COTW devs, RDR2 dev team is massive they probably had a team bigger than the one of COTW just for that background, that being said, Animal AI in COTW needs to be redone or COTW 2 needs to get created

stray torrent
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I don't think quantity has a matter. Animal behavior at the hunter classic confirm of this. But the classic not so popular like cotw. Because it's a hard hunt. Cotw is easy arcade with good graphics now. But lions used to be dangerous. Puma killed animals early. Devs hearing us but only 11 peoples want increase difficulty.

queen zinc
worthy egret
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worthy egret
# stray torrent Bears attack. Bighorns fight. Effect domino 🔥 . Maybe Al is simple but cotw doe...

I mean, bears attacking in COTW wouldn't be hard, just give them a code similar to the moose attack but instead of being slow make them charge, otherwise you are right, animals need to interact more with each other. I don't think it's impossible they gave the bears new behaviors with the feeders, and yes... literally we are asking for more interactions. I like classic a lot, but COTW has already surpassed it on everything that I care about, except for randomized zones, if the zones didn't have a schedule it would be harder than classic and as realistic or more.
But grinders like the Shooting gallery style of the game and a big portion of the community are grinders so any change that affects grinding is frowned upon. I don't hunt drinkzones and it's very close to Classic's gameplay.

thorn cipher
fervent cliff
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Honest W

lofty flax
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The only detail I'll add is the prey they hunt varies from location to location. Not all reserves have the same species list so this should be considered. I'll also advise small predators C:2-3 will forage/hunt (interact) with Burrows & Warrens. Bears should be seen fishing in the water ways as well. As for a big one as both a predator hunter IRL & in-game reduce the overall predator population with longer respawn rates. There will always be more #'s in prey than predators. The only exception is a situation like PF's narrative where its mentioned they have a high population which means their over populated. In this case the high cap is fine however to compensate for the high cap respawn rates should be slowed &/or reduced to create a balance over still finding several every 5min after extended gameplay.

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I also concur with the idea of replacing meat chunks for carcasses & bones for predator feed zones. I believe if memory serves CC has carcasses that are left from the narrative. I'd be pretty happy to see that applied further to replace the current feeding zones. I would even go as far as to say that it would be an ideal feature for applying predator dens.

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worthy egret
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Females make it more than males, that's why I said its tricky

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worthy egret
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Ohhhh true

stray torrent