Laperriere Outrider improvements

[alpine spade]

For a reserve rifle it's an absolute letdown and should have been a massive improvement over the base game Whitlock but performance is exactly the same.

Let's change that:

Change the barrel length to 24"

Slightly lower hip fire accuracy and improve ADS accuracy

Add legitimately new ammunition focused on bigger game. Meaning: one ammunition type based on 150gr polymer tipped bullets that cover classes 3-7. And one other type based on 170gr Jacketed Soft Point bullets that covers classes 4-8.

Improve the expansion of both new and old ammunition

Remove the range restriction for both the Outrider and Whitlock. the render distance is only 450 yards so why are the lever actions the only cartridge rifles with range restrictions ?

That's new ammunition designs that we did not get so this image feels extremely deceptive

Yes, asking for a rifle that can cover three separate class ranges is a lot, but the shotguns do it.

I'd honestly pay for a dlc that just added new ammunition for the rifles that let them cover different class ranges.

[quasi ruin]

I agree with these changes, but more than anything I am floored with the amount of patience you have. Keep it up.

[alpine spade]

No patience, obsession and stupidity

[quasi ruin]

Optimism I suppose would be the word

[alpine spade]

I'm sure if this kind of change was made then it would build a huge amount of hype and prove the Devs could do more than just recycle ammo

[fleet crown]

I was severely disappointed when i saw that .30-30 had zero improvements, and i know that just about everyone that uses .30-30 IRL was too.

[alpine spade]

Right now it's a reskinned Whitlock and not even CCs are using it

[alpine spade]

Bump

[narrow crystal]

bump

[rocky storm]

Also the Hudzik does that, with different ranges for the bullets too

The Solokhin/Mosin Nagant does 3-7 and that one isn’t even op, that one and 270 are the most balanced weapons in the game imo, not great but good and also uniqe

[graceful lantern]

Bump

[little plinth]

I really want more weapons that have differently-classed ammo, like the Hudzik as you mentioned, bows/crossbow, and shotguns

[rocky storm]

Yeah me too, makes for a more creative and fun loadout

[alpine spade]

It's also not a stretch to have all the ammo types exclusive to the Outrider either, you could spin it as the Whitlock has a brass receiver that isn't strong enough to handle the new loads

[alpine spade]

So they'll do an update to release some skins but not to fix a useless RESERVE WEAPON

[rocky storm]

It comes in at least two weeks i believe, since the fix patch for Sundarpatan was 1 month after release, where they also fixed the gandhare up to class 9 animals. If we shout loud enough they’ll hear us

[alpine spade]

I've made like five threads for this so I think I'm loud but idk if anyone else is

[rocky storm]

I’ve seen plenty of threads about it and the weapons talk thread is filled with laperriere comments

[tight geyser]

This is what disappointed me. With the tiny buff the ammo got, it's at least grudgingly usable. It doesn't work for what it should work for, but I can pretend and try to enjoy it.

But it's the same rifle with a different scope? I literally couldn't care any less about that.

[rocky storm]

Yeah there is nothing uniqe about it, and just like the story, sadly, they barely tried. The map is great, other than that, no

[alpine spade]

I just submitted another support ticket so we'll see how that goes

[alpine spade]

Bump

[graceful lantern]

Bumpeth

[alpine spade]

It sincerely does need these changes to be a truly unique rifle. There's just nothing to separate it from the old one except scopes and literally every other rifle can do that

[rocky storm]

True but it does need changes to be usable, it has bad range and slow kill time

[cinder thicket]

Used it on musk deer(c2) ... double lung and 100% quick kill at 112 yards ... Also used it on a boar (c5) at 80 yrds double lung as well but ran about 50 yrds

seems to do the job well enough for c2-c6 It just needs to be extended to c7-c8 ....

[graceful lantern]

i've shot boars with my 30-30 irl at 130 metres and they went nowhere so it still needs a giant buff

[little plinth]

considering I hit both lungs on a mule deer and watched him run 130 meters from the point of impact, and considering that whitetail deer run more than 15 meters max, it is in desperate need of help

[cinder thicket]

when I say seems to do the job well enough .... I mean passing but not desirable or what it should be ... If they increased the ethical lethality to cover c7-8 it would also increase quick kill on c4-6 ...

.30-30 definitely needs a boost .... I think it should be ethical at C8 but not necessarily what you would want to use... very much they way 7mm is with C9 ....

[alpine spade]

A slow killer for class 8 animals but a quick end for everything between 3-7 would be average for a real .30-30. Speaking clearly, my .30-30 does solid work on elk within 200yds and I've taken deer at 250yds that didn't travel more than 10 yards until they piled up.

What we have in game is a terrible imitation of the real thing

[alpine spade]

Bump

[alpine spade]

Seriously EW, this is not too much h to ask considering it's the reserve weapon for the latest map in the game

[alpine spade]

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[ebon sigil]

Having shot firearms ALL my life. All the lever actions, among other rifles are severely under powered. But the Lever actions are some of the worst examples in game.
They need to add more lever actions, add more effective range, 150 meters for a .44mag, 175 for a .30-30, 200 for a .45-70

[rocky storm]

44 mag is accurate then, it’s very powerful and reaches 150m with no trouble

[little plinth]

the .44 magnum lever action is also kinda broken, bc the handgun ammo is balanced differently than rifle ammo and it didn't translate well with the rifle ballistics system

so you can send a .44 magnum cartridge through the entire body length of a moose from the rear and still hit the heart

but then on the flip side, .30-30 and .45-70 are both painfully weak

[rocky storm]

Yeah i guess they left the owerpower to the dlc weapons, which i mean is to be expected, not that the game should be pay to win but you are expecting the guns to have some power when you buy them

[ebon sigil]

I was talking about the stupid “effective range” which is not accurate and causes you to lose damage quicker than you should.

[ebon sigil]

Yes I agree these two are pretty weak. But .44 mag out of a rifle is drastically better than out of a handgun. Irl.
More time to burn the powder before it exits the barrel.

They could also add the .444 which is a super long .44 mag, being the same case length as the .45-70, but being slimmer. They do less damage but minor amounts but they are simply increase the range of the .44 mag, to make it effective to about 225 yards

[rocky storm]

I find it hard to see the range balancing between lever actions and bolt actions etc. Lever actions obivously can reach further irl but irl we can also see much further than in-game (400m) In that way you’d have to balance it so that long range shots aren’t easy, each guns offer a uniqe playstyle. If you have a 30-30 that can reach the same as a bolt action, with the same amount of power, than what’s the motivation for the developers for improving and changing rifles enough for people actually finding it worth to get the weapons. I agree that the new 30-30 should at least be as good as the Sks (Quist in-game) but also not be too similar to other bolt actions, so it has to have shorter range or something other that makes it worth it yk.

[ebon sigil]

I disagree. It shouldn’t be balanced on game stats, rather it should be as realistic as possible.
The game is a simulator no? Simulating hunting.
It should come down to preference vs performance.
A .30-30 is the same bullet diameter as a .308 or a .300 (7.62mm) the difference is case size.
The .308 has slightly more power (case size), than a .30-30 but a .300 has a decently bigger case size than the two previous cartridges.
So realistically they all have similar performance, but increasing range .30-30 being the least, .300 win mag being the most.
But this doesn’t just apply to these calibers, all the calibers in game could use an overhaul, and I’m tempted to make a list for the devs, based off of real data, and ballistics.

“Getting weapons” shouldn’t be a monetary gain only… that just makes little sense, especially for the consumers (players). It shouldn’t be P2W

[little plinth]

the lever action rifles in-game are unbearably bad (aside from the Moradi, but that's bc of the handgun ammo being balanced differently from rifle ammo and not translating well in the rifle ballistic system).

.30-30 Winchester is reduced to being a "close range varmint cartridge," something it's absolutely not designed for at all irl. It has seen CONSTANT use on medium and large North American game ever since its inception ("The .30-30 has remained in widespread use almost entirely because of reliable effectiveness in civilian applications, and has put food on the table for millions of people in hunting situations")

and .45-70 Government, a cartridge with historic and continued use in hunting large and dangerous game (like bears, moose, elk, cape buffaloes, hippos, etc.), is a husk of its true self in-game, with it being best used on class 4-7 animals instead of being more than capable of quickly and efficiently taking down larger ones

It doesn't matter to me what their reason for this is (european bias, "pushing people to buy DLCs," etc.), it's unbelievably frustrating to see cartridges that are consistent and reliable at hunting medium and large game being pathetic in-game

and on top of this, it bugs me even more that the official render of the Laperriere shows it with new cartridge models, yet the in-game .30-30 recieved pretty minimal improvements AND didn't get any new ammo types (more expensive class 3-7 .30-30 ammo that shoots faster, heavier bullets could've even been a selling point for the Askiy Ridge DLC)

[static pagoda]

It that's that we need. But how to force newbies to buy dlc with another rifles? We leave no choice for devs, except slow ignore. Maybe in another dlc maybe not.... etc. Devs must decide a hard decision. All base game rifles are single or low reward or idk. Because lot of us don't know about rifles and hunt. All what we wanted in beginning are powerful rifles and we paid for it.

[rocky storm]

Exactly, we need uniqe, fun and realistic options i just have trouble envisioning how to balance all the rifles out with the current render distance we have

[ebon sigil]

Accuracy, and distance they can travel.
Lever actions or “brush guns” would excel at under 200 meter shots, and be better than most others (not all) at shooting through thick brush. They wouldn’t be limited to 200 meters, but they would see a decent drop at 300 meters, by roughly between 8-14 inches, and a slight drop in power.
(Another good example of poor weapons balance): 6.5 mm is a bit too weak and the wrong classes in game. Should be 3-8 and have a penetration of 26.00 with an expansion of 6-8 using polymer tipped rounds.

[rocky storm]

Ok i like it

[ebon sigil]

Like the highest accuracy (.45-70, and .44 mag pretty much the “flat nose” only rounds) would be 75, meanwhile the .30-30, a .35 rem, anything that can use a polymer tip should be an 85.

[rocky storm]

I was thinking up to 100 with less power for the 30-30 and more power for the 45-70 and 44 which is what you said

[alpine spade]

For context, I've killed whitetails at 250 yards with my .30-30 and it's nothing particularly special as far as ammunition and still using a factory barrel

[little plinth]

Yeah, there's not really a substantial range issue with lever action rifles and their associated cartridges unless you're trying to shoot at really long distances, most typical shooting distances are more than doable with stuff like .30-30 and such

[alpine spade]

Honestly, it's kinda stupid to have a max effective range on any of the ammo. It's not like we're shooting far enough to actually cause issues. (.300 Mag can and has killed at 1200m)

This is a hunting game. The rifles have literally one job, effectively harvest the animal. The rest should be up to us.

[rocky storm]

Well what should make you choose a lever action in-game then do you think @alpine spade ?

[alpine spade]

You shouldn't be made to choose anything. You should pick the gun you want for the type of hunting you want to do instead of picking the only one that works.

If I want to use a .30-30 for black bears or sambar deer then I should be able too.

[rocky storm]

Yes, i wasn’t talking about being forced to use something, but like what would make me choose a lever action over bolt action. In-game and i imagine irl is range for power, lever action has shorter range but more powerful and on the other hand the bolt actions have a consistent damage output with little change in range. And then theres the reason why i would choose for example the 30.06 over a 308. difference being expansion vs penetration, and then theres difference of the guns (of course those cailbers exist in semi autos and others but i hope you get my point).

[alpine spade]

You don't hunt do you?

Anyway. You should be choosing the guns you use for the way you like to hunt and the animals you want to take down. Lever actions are generally compact weapons, light weight and quick to fire so they're labeled brush guns. Bolt actions are typically longer, more accurate at long distance but taking longer to line up shots and don't move as well in thick brush.

Take a lever action for fast hunts with chances for follow up shots. If you sight in a .30-30 at 100yards you'll still be hitting a whitetail deer in the lungs between 0 and 300yds. Or 400 if you aim high on the shoulder.

Take a bolt action if you're hunting open terrain with time to line up a shot. Sight a .30-06 at 200 yards and you'll be in a whitetail's lungs between 0 and 400 yards, 600 if you aim at the spine.

Otherwise? Under about 300 yards everything will kill a deer just as dead as everything else. Most caliber arguments are pointless yapping, opinions.

At the distances the vast majority of people can shoot with any accuracy basically any rifle will kill a deer effectively

[rocky storm]

No i don’t hunt, so what you’re saying is there shouldn’t be alot of difference between the guns in terms of range, just that the lever actions are more compact and easier to use in thick short ranges, if i’ve understood you right. The issue when this comes to the game and for it to be realistic is the ranging, there’s a lot of difficulty in-game when it comes to ranging in animals further away, which is what makes it realistic in that aspect even though there isn’t the right distance for the guns. I’ve understood the render distance is like this in the game for one reason: performance. Making all the guns basically be able to shoot at the same distances isn’t very realistic, and it would mean removing the difficulty by alot unless you have the zeroing perk and i just don’t see that happening. For the guns to be this way they’d have to increase the range of which things render, because it ain’t just animals with a shortened render distance abt everything has that and yeah idk increase the range sure but 300 yards for a lever action is too op in this game

[alpine spade]

It'd be no different than the bolt actions zeroing at 300m. The difference is that if they were the in proper class ranges and reached the same distances they'd compete with dlc weapons and that would be less money

[rocky storm]

Yeah and i’m not opposed to that, currently there are two dlcs with lever actions: Askiy Ridge and the Ambusher pack. So according to your experience the guns should be the same as irl, should there be slower bullet speed for lever actions? I heard they don’t have very fast bullets as compared with bolt actions

[alpine spade]

Depends entirely on the caliber and load of ammunition. My .30-30 loads are usually between 24 and 2500fps, factory loads are like 2200fps as standard. A .44 mag is pretty slow at 1700fps or so

.30-06 are like 23-2500fps depending on the maker and bullet weight.

.44 should have way more bullet drop past 100 yards than it does.

But realistically? Every gun in the game shoots way too slowly. Trigger pull to bullet exiting barrel is called lock time, the only guns that have a long enough lock time for an animal to react are flintlock/caplock muzzleloaders ( "jumping the gun" is what this originally meant) basically, it should be instantaneous.

[rocky storm]

Guess they have a lot to work on then

[alpine spade]

The entire ballistics system is garbage, but none of the devs have actual experience with guns, bows, or hunting

[rocky storm]

How do you know that?

[alpine spade]

They've said as much on streams and Dev q&a before.

As for the ballistics system

[static pagoda]

Without special knows they did standard of balance system. Like 99% games with guns and bows. Ordinary arcade hunt with perfect picture and g1s. Everything else is our imagination. Moreover grind doesn't need guns like irl. Grinders need semi-autos and more multimounts. Nothing more. Everyone who plays without grind for a long time will see it. It's a game. Not a real hunt simulator. Don't forget about it.

[ebon sigil]

I’m not doubting it’s do-Able, but accuracy and drop starts to increase past 200 for most lever action calibers.

[ebon sigil]

This is literally what I said previously lol.

[alpine spade]

For a lost of people 200 yards is the farthest they should think about shooting if they are hunting.

The modern craze is long range shooting and it tricks people into thinking it's easy to shoot long distances. I've lived in Wyoming for about 6 years now and I've seen more than a few people get physically sick when they wound and lose animals because they made a bad choice

[ebon sigil]

I did long range shooting in the USMC. And honestly I wouldn’t take 5.56 to 500 yards and think it’ll do much. Might put a hole in something. But you’re not transferring a lot of energy at that point.
I don’t find 400+ yard hunting shots reasonable unless it’s a big predator that you want to give time to bleed out. (Bears, etc).

But in the end, they need to buff a bunch of calibers, and increase accuracy for a bunch. I’ll make a whole list eventually.

ESPECIALLY when I’m kind of upset they think 6.5mm does such little damage.
It should be 40 pen, 6 damage.
And given I have a Ruger American in 6.5mm, I have that thing so dialed in, it has less than .25 MOA at 200 yards, ridiculously accurate.

I just wish devs would give a little more research into a game where firearms are a huge part of the experience.
Especially given the fact some of us have years and years of shooting.
I myself have been shooting for the better part of 20 years.
In terms of accuracy though:
bolt actions are typically the most accurate, followed by Lever guns, followed by Semi autos

[alpine spade]

It kinda ticks me off that they could easily do actual research instead of just "balancing" the guns however they think it will work but they won't even bother looking up Wikipedia pages for the guns they make

[alpine spade]

Bump

[ebon sigil]

I would never use wiki as a source. That’s golden rule #1

[alpine spade]

Not for 100% facts, but even a basic idea of how it is normally used. Like the page for the .30-30 Winchester at least got that correct

[ebon sigil]

This suddenly reminded me of how weak the mosin nagant is in game.. a round almost on par with .30-06 irl but with 0 damage in game..

[alpine spade]

It's not a really good factual sheet but not wrong either.

Ans yeah, most guns just aren't what they should be for a hunting game

[static pagoda]

7.62x54 close to 308. But in game it really weak. I think it because of devs didn't want to break their stupid balance. 7.62x54SP should be 17-50. Unfortunately because of 3-7c we will never see 7.62x54R (polimer). Maybe.

[ebon sigil]

7.62x54mmR is close to .308 your correct… slightly… it has a fatter case at the bottom than .308, meaning it can hold higher pressures, and more powder, it’s pretty much 2/3 of the way to being a .30-06

[static pagoda]

I tried to "Google" about it. This is a subject of heat debate. But one thing is clear. 7.62x54 is really week in game.

[ebon sigil]

I have .308, .30-06, and 7.62x54R, I can tell you first hand it is closer to being 54R than .30-06

[static pagoda]

I hunted with a shotgun then I was a teenager. After purchase this game I started studying about rifles and ammo. The more I learned the more disappointed I became about ingame balance. I feel sorry about real hunters who bought this game. 😔

[ebon sigil]

Yes the gun balance is wayyyy off to be honest.

[alpine spade]

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[ebon sigil]

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[stoic vigil]

The 30-30 should really just be 3-8 or 4-8 Because IRL Many People use it on Moose to Great Effect (Myself Included)

[alpine spade]

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[narrow crystal]

my warranty ticket got approved so now I'm going to be removing my scope/rings/mounts, stock cuff, and sling/swivels to send the gun back in factory condition

and I'm sitting here still annoyed by the bolt breaking in the first place 💀

the lifetime warranty makes it less of a headache but it is still annoying

[alpine spade]

Fair, but honestly you can get a bad one in anything.

I had a $400 tire burst before it left the shop floor

[narrow crystal]

that's true, things like that do just happen sometimes

[alpine spade]

.30-30s are surprisingly calm for failures like that too, a major blessing. I saw a .300wm with a double loaded case shred the stock and the shooter both when it failed

[narrow crystal]

damn that sounds unpleasant.

Im glad .30-30 is as mild as it is under failure, im largely just puzzle as to how a bolt that seems to have had a bad heat treat made it past QC given that I shot a total of maybe 65 rounds through it before the failure occurred and it happened on standard factory ammo with no evidence of overloading.

[alpine spade]

Micro fissures in the cuts for the firing pin or extractor would be my guess. Never had a rifle do that to me but I have a couple of knives that have them

[narrow crystal]

the start point of the crack that caused the massive chip that yanked off two of the locking lugs is by the extractor, so that's likely why the break occurred

oh well, at least they fix it free of charge and will solve any other problems that diagnose during test firing for free as well and then send it back

[alpine spade]

They're good about any repairs, I had to send in my .22 because the hammer cracked and for some reason they replaced the hammer, firing pin, and extractor and put in a new mag tube spring. "They were showing wear" was the only explanation I got

[narrow crystal]

My rifle has a slight scrape/gouge in the finish on the muzzle, so I wonder if they'll refinish or replace the barrel while it's there even though I didnt list it as an issue in the warranty ticket bc tbh it doesnt matter to me

I suppose ofc if the thing doesnt shoot straight on bolt replacement theyll probably replace the barrel anyway lol

[alpine spade]

If they think it'll affect the accuracy I bet they will. They might just refinish it if they can but there's a good chance you'll have to start over from scratch on sighting in.

They might also just replace the entire barrel on the off chance the bolt failure damaged the head spacing

[narrow crystal]

That is true; that said I would have to redo sighting it in anyways because they needed the gun in factory condition with all accessories removed so I just took the scope off a little while ago. That and also when I went to take it off I noticed that some of the ring screws werent torqued down enough, so that means when I trusted my uncle to torque them down properly he didnt, which might be why it felt damn near impossible to sight in when I was out shooting with my cousin. Coincidentally, his rifle was also shooting very high and never got on paper, and my uncle installed the bases/rings/scope for his gun too which makes me think he has the same issue.

They'll likely refinished or replace the barrel is my bet, since the headspacing could have been screwed by the bolt damage like you said.

[alpine spade]

Yeah, trust but verify

[alpine spade]

Apparently, Way of the Hunter is adding more lever action rifles to the game, finally

[stoic vigil]

DLCs I take it

[alpine spade]

One free and a dlc, the freebie might be a .45-70 if the hints are true

[stoic vigil]

Okay DM me if a DLC is Announced because I won't be at my PC until September

[alpine spade]

Should be next week, last time it was the 16th

[narrow crystal]

WHAT

[stoic vigil]

Aight if it does get announced DM me the Steam Page (I hope they Partnered with Henry)

[alpine spade]

Yeah, they announced it with some hints earlier

[stoic vigil]

Could you Invite my Phone Account I'm using back to the WOTH Server @alpine spade I left it by Mistake

[narrow crystal]

ooooo

god please .45-70

[alpine spade]

Lot of folks are hoping for it too. I asked if the 30-30 would get a buff to use it for black bear and elk and NRGMiriam replied it wouldn't but with what's coming it might not need it

[narrow crystal]

That screams .45-70 to me I can't lie

[alpine spade]

This is what they gave us officially

"Grandpa's old rifle is still going strong but it might not be the only one for long"

[narrow crystal]

hmmmmm

[gleaming niche]

Haven't played WotH since Askiy Ridge came out, but I can't wait to see what this new update is.

[alpine spade]

It's the 3rd anniversary of the game too, so who knows?

[alpine spade]

Did you get the invite?

[stoic vigil]

No, Did you send it to My PC Account? I'm already on it on that Account I need you to invite this one Nevermind got it

[alpine spade]

Dunno what happened but it showed six accounts with your tag and no more info

[stoic vigil]

I got it, I only have two Accounts though DM me a Screenshot of them All

[alpine spade]

It changed to one account after I sent the invite, I think my discord might be a little weird because of the connection I have

[alpine spade]

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[alpine spade]

This update would be the perfect time to fix the mistakes with the Laperriere and make it a PROPER reserve weapon

[stoic vigil]

Yes it would

[rocky storm]

Lets hope for it

[alpine spade]

Hopefully they actually did work on it because its basically no different than if they updated the Whitlock to use any scope

[gleaming niche]

I really hope they did, otherwise the Frost pump .257 will make both .30-30s completely pointless.

I'd honestly have no issue making the .30-30 a 2-7, keeping the Moradi where it's at (3-8), as well as the .45-70 (4-9). Just buff the .45-70 while you're at it.

[alpine spade]

Id have an issue, .30-30 is about double the velocity and knockdown power of the .44 mag. The .44 starts to fall off at much closer distances than the .30-30

I've got a .30-30 and a .44 and my .30-30 is running around 2600fps and the .44 is only around 1700. The bullet drops like a stone too

[gleaming niche]

They honestly screwed things up with the introduction of the Moradi. Great gun - I love it, best run-and-gun black bear rifle in the game - but it's unrealistic and GOATed. Now, instead of releasing a .45-70, WotH has done the same thing, but maybe to a lesser degree.

[alpine spade]

Yeah, its good in WotH and realistic but its no .45-70 and it is even more short ranged than the .30-30 with that garbage managed recoil ammo

[gleaming niche]

I'm using the heaviest loads and have mostly just used it on Aurora Shores. Takes anything from Sitka Blacktails to Moose, and it has yet to knock me or lose much meat on any of the Sitka or Mountain Goats.

[alpine spade]

Bump

[gleaming niche]

Literally all they had to do for the update was make the .30-30 a class 3-7 gun and it would have been a success...

[rocky storm]

I don’t understand why they didn’t honestly like what would be the pushback of changing it

[gleaming niche]

I'm starting to feel like HH and JJ - very disenfranchised and disappointed bordering on apathetic. Sure, we get some cool little doohickey or feature in each update or dlc, but they're not addressing core issues and needs.

[rocky storm]

Yeah if they claim to listen to the community and work on those suggestions most people have liked then why aren’t they in the game yet?

[rocky storm]

All the content in the world won’t matter if the game just keeps having the same issues, like the bush sound bug, been around for like a year and everyone frustrates themselves on it, that should be like their main priority. It’s starting to get to the point where they just release new content and hope people focus on that than the current issues the game has. If that’s where it’s headed the game will rapidly die

[alpine spade]

Haven't played in about 6 months, haven't liked the dlcs and no real problems have gotten fixed.

They ignore way too many issues

[rocky storm]

Yeah i don’t understand how they are thinking

[alpine spade]

Animals and maps take priority the actual hunting part of the game is garbage.

Some dev probably

[rocky storm]

I suppose it’s possible they haven’t found the solutions to all problems but i think we should get an explanation for why they do the ammos the way they do them, since basically all rifles are done wrong

[rocky storm]

I hope they know if they actually think that way the maps, great ones and new content won’t matter

[alpine spade]

#1409626039906209953

[alpine spade]

Could always just make a new ammo for this rifle and make it a .35 Remington clone

[alpine spade]

They still need to do this