FIX THE GREAT ONE MULE DEER!!!!

[solid bear]

I wanted real a real looking Great One Mule Deer. With at least 8 different racks, with droptines, heavy antlers, typicals, and one like the Broder Buck and the Buck of Justice. But no. Expansive Worlds decided to go with the "fantasy" animal. Something from a kids book. I doubt EW will fix it.
I made a post a year ago, after the Great One Tahr was announced. - Link here - https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1249779561948778548
I made concepts that looked real, but more exaggerated. Same with the antlers.
But this is a revolt! For more realistic furs and antlers. I know they are a "FABLED" animal. But that doesn't mean they have to be striped like a tiger, or have antlers that aren't grown, or extras that are thin or shaped weird.

This is not what many Mule Deer fanatics wanted. They just wanted big, badass, cool looking antlers. Do some find them cool? Yes. But many people who hunt Mule Deer IRL will not enjoy these. I'd have almost rather have had a Great One Beaver or Wood Duck than these stupid looking antlers and furs. Let alone not doing one like the World Record, that was SHOT in Alberta. The Broder Buck. I would have grinded for one of those. But not now.

You can say they look alright, or dislike the post if you like them. But this post is for people who WANT them fixed. So if you like them, do not bother, I will most likely block you cause I don't care.

@quartz trench

[marble jasper]

I hunt IRL, this is a GAME. I hunt a lot of mule deer. Im happy with the great one.

[quartz trench]

Adding new rack variations On top of the existing ones would be amazing

[midnight quarry]

I doubt they'll undo anything, maybe they could add new racks and furs, you could focus the effort of the feedback there

[quartz trench]

Exactly what I said, add NOT take away out of respect to the artists

[abstract hatch]

Although I agree, this one basically is the level 5 rack that almost always trolls. They need to beef that rack up to make diamond

[quartz trench]

@winter pawn @tame sigil @waxen jungle

[midnight quarry]

Typical "monsters" are just diamonds yeah, people don't even pay attention to diamonds anymore and what you are asking is a diamond

[winter pawn]

Id agree, but I like them.

For me, I just want more G1 racks and to make the current ones rarer

[tame sigil]

easy fix just remove mule deer GO and make a wolf GO instead

[waxen jungle]

Huggeeeeeee missed opportunity with this one unfortunately, seems they took a wrong turn at Tahr Bvld

[quartz trench]

Look at @solid bear’s original concept post and art. Really well done and a huge effort

[unreal falcon]

They could have made one fur more realistic but I wasnt really surprised that they are fantasy designs just like all the other G1's since moose ....

[slow obsidian]

Yeah haven’t ever bothered with the great ones cause ever since the moose I knew this was where they were heading, was indifferent to the whitetail and red deer they at least we semi grounded in reality but yeah waste of time imo

[waxen bluff]

Why didn’t EW do anything fantasy-related with the G1 Whitetail? Isn’t the realistic G1 Whitetail popular?

[unreal falcon]

White tail and red deer were the first 2 G1's .... then they switch to fantasy animals I guess to have more variety ....

[slow obsidian]

Prolly cause it was the first great one and they still were leaning into more of the hunting simulator feel for the animals at that time

[unreal falcon]

I can kind of understand why they went the fantasy route .... They already have a possible rare fur that can make diamond .... which to me the SR variants are really the true G1's ....

I would much rather have a SR diamond than a fabled G1

[tame sigil]

like others have said it was the first GO so EW probably didn’t know exactly what they wanted to do with them yet

[slow obsidian]

😬

[waxen bluff]

The werewolf will be one of the proposed models

[slow obsidian]

Thought there might be a single one that was passable but yikes

[unreal falcon]

The rack on the cinamon stripes looks like something from another planet ... Put that rack on the Milky Way fur and dang that's something Fugly

[waxen bluff]

Why did the conceptual design of the G1 species change drastically? I imagine the fantasy model is more popular along the grinders.

[tame sigil]

idk most of the grinders i see though want stuff that’s not super outlandish

they want it to look pretty cool and all but they’re also also want it to look like the species it is and not with how they’ve done things like mule deer which is kinda further out there even if some of the racks are semi realistic

[slow obsidian]

I just don’t get why they don’t take inspiration from some world record holders

[unreal falcon]

Are we sure this is alberta and not Chernobyl ????

[waxen bluff]

Those G1 Mule Deer are extraterrestrial and EW needs to make a map named Alberon Planet for them.

[rustic oracle]

source: https://www.alloutdoor.com/2018/01/05/24-photos-buck-deer-super-weird-racks/

[waxen bluff]

Farmed Whitetail

[rustic oracle]

regardless, it exists.

[slow obsidian]

Doesn’t mean it looks good (tho tbf I’m always more impressed by a big typical rack)

[rustic oracle]

I didn't say it did. I am not keen on the G1s here myself, but there are some very strange things IRL as well

[unreal falcon]

I agree those racks are genetic mutations but I wouldn't call them Great Ones ! And especially when combined with those furs .....

But as I said before the fantasy G1's dont bother me .... If you want a more realistic G1 go for a SR diamond ....

[slow obsidian]

Gotta wait for them to fix the other elk for that lol (specially after the Manitobans look so good hope they’ll touch em up some day)

[quartz trench]

@untold violet @earnest panther

[untold violet]

see, these are the people I speak for

[waxen jungle]

I just noticed they are hovering in the sky

[untold violet]

reposting here

no need for mushroom freak

[earnest panther]

Why do people keep shoving that real life photo at us as if that somehow makes the farm freak antlers less ugly lol, the bulbous one

[slow obsidian]

Yeah prolly put em in with dev commands and pulled em out of the grass for the screenshots to show off the hooves too would be my guess, still looks goofy tho

[rustic oracle]

For the simple fact that claims that the Broccoli Buck rack on the G1 is are just fantasy are wrong. I don't like it and personally think it looks ugly, but it is within the realm of possibility, farmed or not.

I think JJ is right though, in that if you don't like them, just go grind for a super-rare Diamond instead.

[untold violet]

except theyre sending it to people who literally never say its fantasy or not grounded in reality, just anyone who says its butt ugly

[earnest panther]

Yup that lol - have only seen it shoved in the faces of people who said they didn't like it. And it shouldn't look like that unless the farmfreak is in velvet. And it's ugly as sin either way 😂 Showing it to us over and over doesn't make it less ugly, bless em!

Anyway, it's not going to be changed at this point so not particularly interested in wasting my time complaining about it when so many good jokes are left to make about it, in good spirit

[hearty canyon]

im ok with the current racks, but would like to see a few more racks that are huge that resembles the world records.

The Cinnamon Stripes, and Cobweb enigma are my most not liked furs. I think if they had a few more racks that resembled some world records a lot more people would be ok with the other current antlers. The furs had so much more potential than this. I will say I do appreciate that we at least got the Great One Muley. Would rather have Elk, but that's just my bias lol.

[quartz trench]

Also I love the people saying “erm actually 🤓 the ballsacks are caused by a rare fungal infection in real life”

Like how does that make it more attractive 😭

[waxen jungle]

Liver*

[pastel hollow]

It ain't this serious lol

[rigid swan]

I dont think the community has a problem with crazy furs or crazy racks usually. I think these furs and racks are simply ugly 😖.

If the racks and furs were good, I dont think people would be disappointed.

[naive nest]

no that's corkscrew, the ball rack is by overactive osteocytes; basically benign cancer

[naive nest]

again, theyre not objectively bad; theyre colorbrushed, patterned, and mixed well. it's entirely a subjective personal opinion

it's fine to not like it, but your own personal dislike doesnt make something inherently bad

[deft crater]

I think six fur types and rack variations is nowhere near enough for Mule Deer. I think they need at least 8 of each.

[naive nest]

prolly 10 to include world record racks too imo

[rigid swan]

Im talking about my perceived majority opinion of the whole community. Not objective reality for all.

[deft crater]

I say keep the existing variations for people that like them, then add at least two (ideally three) more racks and two more fur types that are more realistic. Then this will be a pretty good Great One. Until then, it's just... not my thing.

[naive nest]

eh, imo it seems rather split and some folks seem to be coming around to them; most of the folks i know dont think theyre bad, the racks and furs just arent what they personally wanted

[rigid swan]

Time will tell. Still kinda early to accurately gauge sentiment. I just know I've never seen this much immediate dissatisfaction with the looks of a GO

[deft crater]

The "Dripple Drizzle" as bizarre as its name is, is probably my favorite fur variation. I don't mind the Dusky Drift or Cobweb Enigma ones either, they're fine I guess. I suppose Milky Way isn't terrible either. But the other two are really just... not my cup of tea.

[slow obsidian]

My disappointment with the mule deer racks lack of mass and for some reason the f and g4 tines are relatively small compared to the g2 and g3s

[naive nest]

Bear had a similarly angry response; actually worse iirc it actualy spilled over onto steam forums and a bunch of posts got nuked for violating TOS for threats of violence against the devs; fast forward a few years and the bears are basically universally loved

[deft crater]

The racks shown here with DD and CE aren't terrible in my opinion. The rest are just... kind of ugly.

[naive nest]

that's fair, can def see where you're coming from

imo 10 racks to include repiclas of the Burris and Broder bucks plus the Nevada state record and another similar large typical or nontyp would appease everyone

[pastel hollow]

I honestly think people are blowing this out of proportion. They're all amazing imo, and I doubt most people could do better

[deft crater]

I think one thing is for sure - we need more variations for them that aren't so bizarre

[naive nest]

i think a lot of folks just got hyped for recreations of IRL record deer like the Burris Buck or Broder Buck and their expectations led to them being let down

[rigid swan]

That was different because they were reacting to the choice of GO and the looks at the same time. It didn't help that the ugliest GO bear (spirit) was the first to be posted.

Im talking about cases where people were only reacting to the looks of the GO and the species choice was not part of their complaint.

[tame sigil]

EW has shown they’re capable of far better stuff than this GO

[deft crater]

ten racks and eight fur variations would be enough to balance it out imo as long as all of the additional racks are pretty realistic

[slow obsidian]

I think @solid bear s mule deer great one concepts are pretty good and he did a ton of em

[naive nest]

someone recombined the racks and furs and imo droptine dusky and fungus drizzle look best

[pastel hollow]

Over expection is the killer of all. Its the reason why GTA6 is incapable of ever reaching the hype is acquired. You expect too much and you'll get shot down almost every single time

[naive nest]

inversely underexpectation also makes room for a lot of love for a game, like RDR2 being one of the most loved games ever cause folks were shocked to find out it was a prequel and initially wanted to play as John until they became attached to Arthur as a character

[tame sigil]

yeah EW probably shouldn’t have tried to build as much hype and wait as long to reveal GO mulie as they did

[pastel hollow]

Bingo

[deft crater]

that fungus rack is actually disgusting. Maybe I wouldn't hate it if the ball things at the end weren't so big, but if I grind for a Great One I want one with nice-looking antlers, not nasty balls of zombie mushroom looking stuff.

[naive nest]

honestly, if they had revealed it as one of the first news pieces and, before showing racks and furs, noted that it was all heavily fictionalize, it likely would have had a completely opposite response

[feral current]

Were these Great Ones made in China?

[pastel hollow]

That's the best rack imo, I love the creativity of it. It might not be everyones cup of tea sure but I think it's amazing. Again, this is all our opinions. They aren't changing it so, I'm just gonna enjoy it

[naive nest]

the tines and beams are also almost entirely fused and palmated together; i get where youre coming from but the antler balling happens due to hyperactive osteocytes causing effectively benign bone cancer, usually due to the deactivation of growth inhibitory genes

personalyl I quite like that rack, one of my favs

[deft crater]

don't get me wrong, I get what they were going for, but it just doesn't look good in my opinion

[deft crater]

I get why it looks like that, I just don't like it.

[slow obsidian]

So you’re saying that rack is “Cancer” 😂 jk I kid I kid

[untold violet]

no he's saying he loves cancer

[slow obsidian]

Honestly don’t know if that lingo is even used anymore lol

[deft crater]

the twisted curvy rack one also looks bizarre, but at least it doesn't make me want to throw up

[naive nest]

I mean the same process just less uncontrolled results in the massive nontypical world records like the Broder Buck so id say in the context of muleys thats generally true lmao

[untold violet]

thats what a cancer lover would say

[shadow orbit]

I don’t touch Great Ones and probably never will, especially seeing the direction EW are taking them. They are easily ignored however so I don’t see it as a major issue.

I think many people who like these Great Ones are missing the point though.

I personally bought CotW’s as a hunting simulator, as games that attempt to accurately simulate hunting are few and far between. Absolutely every player has a different position on this spectrum however so no two players will ever agree where a good balance would lay between simulation and gameplay.

The fantasy-esque GO are a massive departure from the direction many of the realism inclined players would like to see CotW go.

But again, due to their rarity GO’s are easily ignored so I don’t see it as a major issue.

[severe falcon]

Enough of the fantasy furs and Cinderella Pumpkin Carriage racks. All we wanted were realistic looking gnarly antlered monster Muleys.

[deft crater]

My full opinion on this great one:
Most of the fur types look unnatural and some just look downright ugly. The Dripple Drizzle is probably the best-looking one (I hate that name, but it's the only one that really looks good imo). Dusky Drift also looks decent. Cobweb Enigma is... weird, I like the color choice but hate the pattern so it's about middle of the road for me. Milky Way is alright, I once again like the colors but don't like the pattern because it's just too fantastical for me. Then you have Petal Puff, which would be fine if it didn't have the pink hues that make it look like someone put blush on it. Cinnamon Stripes annoys me like crazy, the colors of the fur would be fine without the stripes, but no, of course they had to put flipping tiger stripes on it that just make no sense for a Mule Deer.

The racks are very hit or miss in my opinion. The rack that is shown here with the Dripple Drizzle looks pretty nice, could use a bit more mass but other than that it's pretty good. It's the same with the rack shown on the Cobweb Enigma, it's fine but I wish there was some more mass on the main beams. Also the two sets of droptines look too similar, I wish one set had the thicker drooping ends while the other set didn't, just for some more variation. The huge rack shown on the Milky Way one is fine, sort of resembles a caribou from the side but from the front it reminds me of a Nontypical from theHunter Classic, so I don't hate it or particularly like it. The "heart rack" has a nice frame but I don't like the way it curves in at the top, it just looks like the deer has a chandelier on its head. Then we have the super curvy twisted rack which looks totally bizarre, it looks like a Mule Deer that wanted to have spiral horns like a kudu, or like a deer with vines growing out of its head instead of antlers. And don't even get me started on the fungus rack. It looks absolutely horrific.

[severe falcon]

Great Ones honestly peaked with the Whitetails. I love GO Moose, don't get me wrong, but they did it the best with the Whitetails.

[shadow orbit]

As much as I agree with this, EW really is catering to a large division of the player base with this reserve and accompanying update, which I guess really is a good thing.

The suggestion post asking for snow covered animals saw a fair amount of engagement, and so EW has added it in the new update.

I can’t remember the name of the artist who was posting on this channel, but their concept art featuring wild fantasy GOs saw a huge amount of positive engagement from many within the community. This also lead to several other players also posting their own concept art of fantasy inspired GO (seriously, just look up “art” in the search bar).

I’m genuinely surprised EW listened to the players at all, so I can’t condemn them for that. But if they are to cater to the player base, the posts that get the most positive engagement are the posts that will make it into the game.

[stiff hornet]

dude, they are meant to be unrealistic, and blocking people for replying is wild

[slow obsidian]

It was @solid bear and he’s very disappointed from his response in his great one mule deer thread

[untold violet]

Is this why people told me to go draw better GO mule deer lol?

[shadow orbit]

That is a fair point, these GOs do look absolutely terrible which is a failure on EWs part.

But I’m speaking more to the people such as myself who want GOs to be grounded entirely in reality, as even Cervid-Slayer’s art departs greatly from this reality.

EW has to cater to their player base, but their player base is incredibly wide and varied is all I’m saying.

[slow obsidian]

Yeah I was just crediting the artist you were trying to think of

[shadow orbit]

My mistake, much appreciated 🙏

[dull junco]

Coming from an avid and seasoned Mulie hunter (15 years and counting), I’m more concerned with the Dime racks being fixed. The G1s are GREAT ONES. They’re meant to be fabled, mythical, almost impossible animals. Them looking less realistic is understandable. The dimes look terrible, but the G1s look just fine imo

[west ether]

Where’d this guy go?😭

[prime burrow]

I LOVE the fact that the g1 Mule Deer are not very realistic. A great one is not ment to be realistic. When are you going to find a mustard colored Pheasant. I think that 1 or 2 of the furs could have been better but they are still AMAZING!

Also feels like anything EW makes these days all the kids start throwing fits about it.

[slow obsidian]

Those do actually exist but they’re a hybrid between a golden and a ring necked pheasant

[prime burrow]

You get what I am trying to say

[shadow orbit]

The problem for many people is since when were they not supposed to be realistic?

The GO whitetail was simply a very large, non-typical whitetail. The GO red stag (which sucked) was simply a red stag with vegetation around its antlers.

From there they have gradually become wilder and more fantasy like, which many people would rather not see in a hunting game.

[deft crater]

the "kids" you're talking about are, in many cases, people who actually hunt Mule Deer irl and therefore have a right to be dissatisfied with the way these look.

[prime burrow]

That you would rather not see in a Hunting Game. For me (And most others) hunting these "FABLED" animals sets this game apart from any other. If you want realistic animals, go play Woth

[tight tree]

its a hunting game not a hunting simulator its meant to be fun not realistic 🤷‍♂️

[untold violet]

I don’t have fun looking at ugly animals

[prime burrow]

And if yall dont like it, Then dont Hunt it. Like damn, no one is forcing you to grind for the mule deer.

[tight tree]

good thing their super rare so you wont have too unless you try 🤷‍♂️

[dull junco]

Listen. I get that some people would’ve wanted the G1 Mulie to be different, but I don’t see a reason for them to spend tons of time and money to remake a G1 when there’s literally HUNDREDS of things the could fix other than the G1.

I’ll name JUST THE MODELS THEY COULD FIX here, of which would be a far better use of time than a G1 Mule Rework:

Wild Boar
Roosevelt Elk
Rocky Mountain Elk
Roe Deer
Gray Fox
Coyote
Puma/Mountain Lion
Literally everything on Vurhonga
All 4 Ibex
Mouflon
Iberian Wolves
Grizzly Bear
Harlequin Duck
Musk Deer
Reindeer
All rabbits/hares prior to Revontuli
Plains Bison
European Bison
Bobcat
All 3 Turkeys
And many, MANY more

[untold violet]

https://tenor.com/view/bootlicker-boot-licker-bluelivesmatter-gif-22558166

[tight tree]

LITERALLYYYY
like what's done is done there not that bad I'm just glad this great one has antlers

[slow obsidian]

Well the thing that drew allot of folks in was that the animals were realistic with more arcade like mechanics aka you could actually hunt a lot of animals but still feel grounded in reality also pretty much every mobile hunting game has “fabled” and unrealistic animals, also the biggest issue I have with them is the amount of manpower they put into em we could’ve had remodeled more species instead of this, grizzly bear, coyote, lions, and so many other species are in desperate need of a remodel

[dull junco]

Ah yes, because giving a dev team credit where it’s due constitutes boot licking? Do you enjoy hating on the team that makes the game you play?

[prime burrow]

Okay, and? Just because I like something that EW made makes me "Boot Licker?" your throwing a fit, and calling names because they made something that was not made for you personally.

[untold violet]

I don’t actually, I wish they’d do better. Especially because mule deer are solely on paid maps

Also you guys got super offended it’s funny lol

[dull junco]

And they can do those remodels instead of completely remaking a G1 Mulie like y’all seem to want.

[shadow orbit]

I addressed this in my above post, CotWs player base is incredibly wide and varied.

Due to this game being in a very small niche there are few other alternatives.

Whether you want a more realistic, simulator experience or a more fantasy, gameplay oriented experience, all we have are CotW and a few other much smaller titles.

EW has a balancing act where they have to cater two very different groups of people on both sides of this wide spectrum. It’s understandable that both sides are never going to be 100% happy with the end result.

[slow obsidian]

I don’t want them to redo it I don’t want them at all

[prime burrow]

I bet you were one of the kids crying about g1s only being on base game maps.

[deft crater]

honestly I would have preferred it if they put more time into reworking old animals with this map, rather than making a Great One for Mule Deer that looks terrible like this.

[untold violet]

No?

[tight tree]

thats an interesting take

[prime burrow]

Again, why the hell are yall upset about new content. If you dont like it, dont grind it. Its not that hard.

[untold violet]

Because we want to see the game improve and be good instead of just lapping up whatever slop gets put out like good little piggies

[dull junco]

Your opinion is your opinion, but I think the Mulies look fine. You can whine all you want but they’re likely here to stay, and nothings forcing you to grind them. Yes, I’d prefer remodels too, but G1s have become expected with maps.

[shadow orbit]

Okay, I think this is getting a bit out of hand guys.

[tight tree]

I like the variation they have although i can see where your coming from with some of the variants, like some of them you could put on any other deer and say "that's a great one sika deer" or something where as you couldnt do that with say a G1 fallow or moose

[dull junco]

Because we look at the positives and enjoy our lives instead of being miserable and complaining about everything.

[tight tree]

yeah there would have been so many more people angry about no great one rather than a controversial great one

[untold violet]

I enjoy my life. Don’t project your feelings onto me

[slow obsidian]

I’ve never liked the great ones even when they released that’s my opinion and it always has been I was indifferent to the whitetail and red deer because they didn’t put that much effort into em and they were still somewhat grounded but I saw it heading down this path from the beginning and that’s not why I got into this game.

[deft crater]

the mulies look fine? Weren't you just saying earlier that you don't like what the diamond racks look like?

[prime burrow]

What the F are you talking about. This is the Single BEST update they have ever made. If you are getting this pressed over a Hunting Game. You cant tell me that the Whitetail is a better g1 more than the Mule Deer. Because its not true at all. Yall can keep crying over the g1 that your are not being forced to grind. I will, with most of the good half of the community enjoy what EW has made and not focus on the negatives of every tiny detail. Yall can keep trying to have EW "Fix the g1 Mule Deer" But they wont because there is nothing to fix. Just because what they made was not what you wanted.

[untold violet]

And schrader I do agree with you on one thing; reg mule deer racks needed remastered

[dull junco]

I agree. We all have our own damn opinions and we all know that EW can’t make everybody happy at once. Let’s at least be civil if we’re going to complain.

[tight tree]

that's fair, i think they kinda had their hand forced though since the great ones where popularized so much and with a key goal of any game dev being "bring in more players" i feel like this outcome was inevitable

[dull junco]

The G1s look fine, because they’re G1s. They’re meant to be mythical, mystical, fake animals of legend that don’t actually exist irl. The Dimes look atrocious, but seeing as they’re USUALLY the highest level people can attain, they should look realistic.

[slow obsidian]

That and at the time all the YouTubers and streamers who sink a ton of time in were running out of stuff to do and getting bored of diamonds it seemed

[dim dagger]

just play way of the hunter if u whiners cant handle a great one being unrealistic

[untold violet]

? What are you on about buddy?
I never mentioned whitetail. Whitetail GO kinda sucks tbh their antlers are still too tall
Best GO is still the black bear which is a little sad

Why are you guys coming in here to get all pressed and heated about an opinion? The devs don’t need white knights I promise you they’re okay. You guys are coming to us lol

[tight tree]

best great one being black bear is a crazy take

[prime burrow]

im not trying to be a knight. I am voicing my thoughts on the matter, same as you.

[waxen jungle]

It’s not bad, could be better if it had the birdhouse.

[dull junco]

Because we disagree with what’s being asked. I don’t see a reason to spend time and money fixing a G1 over fixing the models and racks that still need to be.

[zenith rover]

simmer down children

[untold violet]

I like bears and have been disappointed by antlered great ones so far. Moose really crushed me but at least they weren’t pink. I don’t care for tahr

[tight tree]

because it's kinda annoying to see a new addition and think "that's cool" then open the comments and see people hating on it like its gonna completely ruin the game

[quick thunder]

I’d like to add my thumbs up to this, terrible G1 all the way around

[waxen jungle]

Came across a pink moose on Yukon. Must have shot that thing 12 times and chased it across 3/4 of the map. Never caught it.

[wintry vale]

Holy schmoly lotta talk in here since this morning

[untold violet]

Ignore it? Like how you tell us to ignore the GO lol

[dim dagger]

PLEASE LOCK THIS POST IT’S INSANE HERE

[tight tree]

i also don't care for tahr, my favorites are the antlered ones but for furs I'd choose pheasants second would be black bear

[wintry vale]

I think people need a spot to scream at each other from the looks of it

[cedar fulcrum]

Me personally I think it looks great 👍

[waxen jungle]

Uhmmm UR USERNAME

[zenith rover]

both sides need to untwist their panties, grow up and have a logical level headed goddamn discussion

[dim dagger]

maybe make a suggestion just for this purpose🤔🤔

[vivid frost]

I think the drop tine rack looks great

[prime burrow]

MY MAN

[untold violet]

My panties are perfectly untwisted thank you very much

[wintry vale]

I think with a slight tweak to the model it would be fine all be it not quite my style. I also was slightly disappointed by the "elk" like structure of a few of the racks but hey a new GO is better than no GO

[dull junco]

It’s just like with Sundar. And the scope pack. And Salzweisen. And the Pointer. And the Community Weapon Pack. And the Rapid Hunt Pack. And every other DLC for the last 7 years.

[tight tree]

literally

[dim dagger]

people can never be happy huh

[wintry vale]

alright fair enough everyone be kind

[wintry vale]

Those who are unhappy will be the most vocal its how it is in every game

[cedar fulcrum]

I love the velvet and drop tine rack and think all the others look fine and for the furs I think they are all good just my opinion though 👍

[dull junco]

The loud minority

[tight tree]

i will admit i was pressed when the new G1 was Tahr

[ornate berry]

Why does one of the racks look like some sorta std😭

[wintry vale]

What does this mean

[zenith rover]

how on earth was the internet less argumentative and divided when xbox cod lobbies were filled with slurs and insults

[slow obsidian]

Be curious to see how much of a minority perhaps the devs should run a poll

[untold violet]

Because they form from bad defects lol
Liver flukes and some other nonsense

[tight tree]

Chlamydia rack mule deer lmao

[dull junco]

Looking in General Chat and Alberta Chat it seems everyone is civil unlike in here

[ornate berry]

Tf

[crimson garnet]

All Ill say, is that I want my G1s plausible not realistic, but possible in this realm of creation

[zenith rover]

you guys need 2008 in your life

[slow obsidian]

It was pretty civil until this whole thing blew up from what I’ve seen

[somber cedar]

wait no i get this it kinda does

[dull junco]

I’d kill to go back to the 2008 internet ngl. Was somehow more peaceful.

[ornate berry]

How would this one form

[earnest panther]

That one castrated himself on a barb wire fence

[waxen jungle]

Liver disease or something like that iirc

[dim dagger]

this is how i look watching this chat rn

[untold violet]

Then go there big guy lol leave the situation

[zenith rover]

waking up, heading onto early youtube, eating cereal while smosh was playing, call of duty world at war playing on the fat backed CRT monitor next to you, life hadnt screwed you over yet. the good old days of the internet

[earnest panther]

The liver flukes explanation is hilarious considering how obese they are - has anyone here seen or handled ruminants with liver flukes bad enough to deform the headgear? They are not that plump 😂 Cracks me up sorry

[sly citrus]

Its a pretty well documented thing over here in europe, the exact ins and out are still unknown but almost ever deer shot with the abnormality has a high load of liver fluke.

[zenith rover]

or how about just be civil? its seriously not hard

[untold violet]

I’m civil

[tight tree]

id say your more uncivil than civil

[sly citrus]

It might not be the case in the american deer since In reality liver fluke shouldnt effect them as much, but in roe deer it very much Is a prevelent case of both happening together.

[earnest panther]

Impossible to have a negative opinion without people falling over themselves to explain it away. Have seen what high loads of liverflukes do to a ruminant, inside and out - I was having a laugh at them being that plump while also claiming such an infestation. Shrug lol

[untold violet]

The mod came and said nothing so how uncivil was I?

[ornate berry]

I personally don’t like grinding, it isn’t fun for me, and I’ll probably just be doing “realistic” hunting on askiy so any great one of any species would be cool

[dull junco]

I was until I got the notification that you responded, now I’m back to this hellhole

[sly citrus]

but yeah... wouldnt not be that plump lol.

[untold violet]

Click off again

[ornate berry]

These are the things I’d like if I get a go muley

Yk what I’ll try to grind them in srp and rancho

[trail hawk]

Ya the tiger one I get and I get wanting racks based on real deer but at the same time they are supposed to be out of the norm again I said it once I’ll say it again irl and in game animals like this are the kind you only hear stories of or find only shed antlers of or see slipping through some trees they capture the imagination of hunters and non hunters alike and that’s what makes them the great ones the true monarchs of there kind before and after the kind that get told about for generations to come

[zenith rover]

wow someone making a point without being rude or condescending? what a king you are👑

[earnest panther]

People got pointed to this channel for complaining or critiques and then now there's a ton of people in here trying to convince them they're wrong about their opinions

[dull junco]

He is Westdodo King

[slow obsidian]

Yeah what happened to agreeing to disagree?

[ocean elbow]

blocking people over opinions is mental tho tbh, over pixel deer

[zenith rover]

god forbid the other side share their views and why they dont want the change... its literally called feedback. if they read this chat surely they want ALL perspectives? feedback shouldnt be an echo chamber

[slow obsidian]

Who did that? Guess I missed that

[ocean elbow]

the creator, the bottom paragraph

[wintry vale]

For those possibly confused this is an onion saying "Thats insane bro"

[earnest panther]

"Go here to complain!" Alright then. "No wait, let me follow you here to tell you you're wrong yet again/still" Wow I wonder why folks are bickering lol. That's all I'm saying. Couldn't even laugh at the things being fat without someone rushing to their defense.

[slow obsidian]

Agree but some folks are taking opinions as personal attacks it seems which is rather silly

[somber cedar]

i said this in the other chat but i feel like the whining about the great one is justified because g1s have been getting sillier and sillier as time has gone on but theyve always added at least one gigantic humongous typical rack into any great one they add for the purists

i really dont think the problem is that the current great ones are too wacky, because there will always be someone defending any one of the great ones with some real life example of a wack fur or rack. removing ones that have already been shown would only cause more problems, and i really feel like just adding one solid massive typical rack would balance it all out and make everyone happy, even if it happens after release. this is a semi-realistic game after all, i feel like it has to keep up that reputation for the purist part of its playerbase

[prime burrow]

Block me. PLEASE

[somber cedar]

thats just myyyyy frickinnnn opinion tho

[sly citrus]

There's probably a sensible chance that those "abnormal" (not the actual non-typs but funky lookin ones) racks are also pretty rare depending on what they weigh and what the spread is between each racks.

[wintry vale]

why are we responding to the original message with this. What purpose does that serve?

[slow obsidian]

People be trolling I guess

[untold violet]

they can be fantastical, sure, whatever, but fantasy does not mean it needs to be ugly or lame
throw some cool ones in there lol like how the black bear has the scarred variant

[prime burrow]

Schrader. Thats why lol.

[ocean elbow]

since the first trailer, it seems no one can figure out what an 🌟 opinion 🌟 is.

[deft crater]

here's my final thoughts on this topic and then I'm just going to leave it here because frankly I'm not interested in beating a dead horse or arguing with people who just want to turn this discussion into an insult match.

If we're going to get new Great Ones with every new map (which I think isn't necessary, but whatever) I think the least they could do is make them look like a somewhat believable trophy animal. No fur variations with pink fur, no bizarre unrealistic racks that just look terrible. Make them look like a trophy animal that belongs in a serious hunting game and not some sort of bizarre fantasy animal. You want to advertise how the snow mechanics in your new map are such a step up in realism? Well then you can't act all surprised when people aren't happy with the new Great Ones being totally cartoonish. EW has to decide whether they want the game to remain a fun game that is still somewhat grounded in reality, or if they want to go fully off the rails with the crazy fantasy stuff. They need to pick a side, no more of this one foot in each pool type of thing, unless EW wants to further divide their playerbase.

And more than anything else, try to stick to what the players have requested. Cervid Slayer's thread has been the most upvoted one on this topic for a while now, has over 400 upvotes and focuses on real-life Mule Deer antler variations. I think EW should have at least respected the wishes of those numerous players and took it upon themselves to do what the people requesting a Mule Deer GO wanted, instead of doing what they've done here which just feels like they didn't bother listening to the most popular post on this topic. With what they did with this Great One, the backlash over it was perfectly predictable and avoidable. They gave the people a Great One that was much anticipated, only for it to be completely different from what they requested for it to look like. You can't do that and then act surprised when people are disappointed with it.

[somber cedar]

or just do half typical half atypical

[sly citrus]

There's 6 after all, those four regular-ish ones are very well likely too be more common since there bigger than the corkscrew or velvet rack tbf I feel like both of those will score the smallest, and smallest racks typically end up being the hardest to spawn.

[zenith rover]

you could cut the tension in here with a sharpened mule antler.

[prime burrow]

Reading this chat like

[dull junco]

This threads got more tension than a boat anchor chain

[ocean elbow]

half this chat is in my block list, half isnt 😭 . i dont even know whose who at this point

[prime burrow]

maybe leave then hunter

[untold violet]

im honored

[zenith rover]

more tension than trying to fart silently in a library

[somber cedar]

this thread is kind of pissing me off because it didnt even start with an objective view of it, the original poster said “WAAAAHHH I WANTED A REALISTIC GREAT ONE” and then gives like a hyper specific description of what they wanted

[untold violet]

thankfully threads evolve
it is a bit of a pissy way to start though

[somber cedar]

still means people will come in here echoing what the original poster said unfortunately

[ocean elbow]

wtf do you have to say what i can do. i can be here if i want.

[slow obsidian]

To be fair they guy spent tons of time and work into creating concepts for the mule deer great one it prolly feels like a betrayal in a way (not saying they’re handling it perfectly mind you, but I can understand their frustration)

[untold violet]

to give OP the benefit of the doubt, the reveal was super fresh and super disappointing especially if you had made a bunch of art for it like they had

[trail hawk]

Like do I think they should have maybe a couple more racks maybe based off famous bucks yes but at the same time you have to understand and appreciate what the devs did most of the racks are actually plausible in theory but I do get peoples anger and the half that like them and if you ask me a lot of the racks are based off something example the classic rack and velvet rack or even the drop tine buck is a mix of many bucks but at the end of the day ya this is what we got and I know for a fact this will grow on most of you

[trail hawk]

Agreed adding a couple new racks in time would be fine but removing one or two would make chaos

[untold violet]

connor mcdavid should like scoring goals some more so the panthers dont repeat

[zenith rover]

this is why you're invited to the cookout

[dull junco]

And no shade to Cervid at all. Cervid is an amazing artist and a great dude, all I think is that it was perhaps a bit of a fiery reaction to a reveal, especially so quickly. A lot of us wanted a G1 mule, myself included, but I don’t mind G1s being unrealistic, even if it were my favorite animal, Elk. As long as the dimes and models look good, I’m happy with a species.

[trail hawk]

🫶🏻

[somber cedar]

i dont know if youve ever played csgo or cs2 but that would be like making dozens of cs2 workshop skins for the game out of your own volition and being mad they never got accepted because of the sea of other ideas out there

concepting designs UNPROMPTED for a company that doesnt know you exist doesnt mean theyll add your concepts to the game

[untold violet]

emotions are always high in the moment especially when they had been playing coy with this reveal like they always do

[wintry vale]

Maybe you should close thread

[trail hawk]

Exactly that’s another thing also these are great ones after all everything is supposed to be different most of us here will probably never even see a great one mule deer and if we do it may only be one or two

[somber cedar]

arent you mod you can close it cant you

[wintry vale]

Only if I have to

[zenith rover]

hes telling you to get off the chat if its annoying you..

[trail hawk]

Ya but then all this would just go back to the Alberta chat or other chats

[slow obsidian]

No but it went in a completely different direction than what was expected, there’s not a single rack on that list that looks anywhere close to a typical mule deer, only one rack has the f and g4 tines in a similar size vein to the g2 and g3s which what makes the signature mule deer look. I’m not saying the guy is in the right just that I can understand the disappointment.

[somber cedar]

right yeah thats also my point then we’re on the same page

i think even one typical rack could fix it

[somber cedar]

i would have a while ago if it was that serious mate im not having heart palpitations over a hunter discussion 💔

[trail hawk]

A good idea for that they have a classic non typical rack so add a 240 inch style classic typical rack or a irl rack

[deft crater]

I sort of touched on this before, but if EW wants to make things right with this Great One I think they should just add a few more rack variations to the GO Mule Deer to satisfy the people who originally wanted it, a couple more realistic fur types, make the more outlandish ones the rarest ones, and voila, now you have a decent compromise so that people who want to grind for the super unrealistic furs and racks can do that, while people who don't like them probably won't grind enough to get them anyway. Problem pretty much solved right there. For the future though I would prefer it if EW doesn't make a mistake like they did here in the first place.

[ocean elbow]

damn

[deft crater]

but that's just the solution I came up with. Ultimately, it's up to EW to decide if the effort is worth it. I think it is though.

[trail hawk]

You sir are genius give this man the con smyth

[ocean elbow]

(this isnt because of peoples opinions, its just they pmtfo)

[trail hawk]

You still love me right hunting 😁

[ocean elbow]

You aren't blocked :D

[tranquil mango]

100%. They kept talking how the new "snow mechanic" was created for full immersion. They want the game to be immersion with a touch of "arcade". So sad that the snow mechanic is more realistic then the actual new "great one animal". They say they listen to what the players truly want. This isn't anything like what we've all been sayin we want with GO mulies. I believe they started all the fantasy furs with BB cause it was a faster easier way to create GOs. Idk,they want to listen,create realism and this is what we get. So sad beavers amd the snow are more exciting than the actual GO mulie.

[trail hawk]

Counter point I think the caribou and bighorn are more exciting then the beavers I only say that cause I’ve shot hundreds of them 😂

[deft crater]

I think you and me are completely on the same page here. I think it was a pretty bad idea to advertise the more realistic snow mechanics, heck, even the realistic beaver behaviors, getting everyone excited for a more immersive hunting experience, only to then reveal the GO mulies with one rack that looks like it has mushrooms on its antlers and one of the fur types looking like someone covered it in blush. Like they were setting things up to make a lot of people unhappy with that one.

[ocean elbow]

imo all ima say on this topic is that i dont see barely any g1 realistic, like when are you gunna see a huge black and white moose with like 50 reddish brown antlers. or when are you gunna see a gold fur type equivalent thar. or black foxes with swirls in them, or green pheasants, and giving EW hell for a not normal looking deer with some bizzare (good and bad) racks.
some people cant use their brains, if you dont like it, dont hunt it, do what tf you want. when the fallow released (i really wanted fallow) , i had some expectations, none of them was met, i didnt go on a hissyfit and say 'ill quit the game cos its not picture perfect of exactly what i want''

[slow obsidian]

I’m stoked for the bighorn! Also the elk and caribou are awesome too just hope they fix the Rockies and Rosie’s 🥲

[trail hawk]

Not to be mr actually butttt the red spider rack for moose is based on a real moose other then that 1000000% agree W statement

[vivid frost]

My favorite change is the mountain goats

[deft crater]

green pheasants were still at least somewhat realistic because melanistic pheasants can have shades of blue or green in their feathers. Red Foxes are another species where you can stretch things a little bit farther because of a wider range of colors irl. Mule deer with pink fur or tiger stripes is on a whole other level of outlandish. So we're sort of comparing apples to oranges here.

[ocean elbow]

i cant remember any other moose racks off the top of my head tbh

[trail hawk]

Fair enough lol

[dull junco]

Tbh after whitetail basically no G1s have been at all realistic. No Red Deer looks like that.

[slow obsidian]

They’re decent too still think the horns are a tad oversized (maybe the goats in my area are just small tho) but it’s really nice that they have properly long fur now!

[zenith rover]

this is still going?

[ocean elbow]

ye, no g1s after wt looked realistic

[vivid frost]

Nah I always felt their horns were too big

[dull junco]

Nah the horns are defo oversized. They’re too thick.

[tranquil mango]

Fore sure. Guessing they spent more time on creating the realistic beaver tree mechanic and the snow than they did the mule antlers amd fur. It's so frustrating. Just meaning again they pride themselves on.listening to us players but in this case that's just "fake news" that one just looks like it has a rack of balls on its head. But who in the world would ever "listen to the players" and say "hey let's make a tiger striped" mule deer. Bit to EWs team defense,they've admitted several time that most of their team has never even shot a gun let alone hunted IRL. They admitted that in their 1 vid of all them at a shooting range and they were all doubfounded by the weapons

[trail hawk]

Wonder how long you been sitting back eating your popcorn at the chaos😂

[dapper basin]

Just joined cause someone told me Sh** was going down xD

[dull junco]

Glad you’re here to witness the chaos

[deft crater]

By the way, I'm not someone who just wants to nitpick endlessly and just sit around and say bad things about the game. I'm still excited for this update personally, just disappointed in EW's choices when it comes to this Great One. Hopefully they'll add a few more fur and antler variations to appease the folks like me who wanted a Mule Deer GO that leans more in the realistic direction. Six fur types and antler variations doesn't really feel like enough for such an iconic species, but then again, Red Deer only have one fur type, so who knows.

[trail hawk]

Ya that’s a understatement that’s for sure 😂 I’m sitting here in the back of my head just “my home is now a map idc if the thing had rainbow flying powers”

[slow obsidian]

This was the largest mountain goat that ever came through my shop the lvl 3s in this game are massive compared to him 😂

[deft crater]

In any case, I've said pretty much all that I want to say about this topic now. Gonna let this thread cool off now, since it feels like it's already winding down. Have a good day/night everyone.

[vivid frost]

Makes the game ones like so small

[faint stratus]

Man I lost braincells reading this thread

[high dove]

^

[dim dagger]

same here

[dapper basin]

Of course LOL. Cramming 2 messages in here since slow mode is on. Its wild to me how moose furs were very unrealistic but nobody complained about that. Now we get the mule deer and its all people whine about. Racks have been unrealistic on great ones since the beginning (Irish elk rack fallow for example.) Are the mule deer racks really that out of the ordinary for a great one??? Someone posted this pic in the alberta chat and it really shows these can happen. Or most of them... I wont defend that Whimsical mythical heart rack or the tiger deer xD

[untold violet]

I think it finally bubbled over, because I personally have a big problem with fallow and moose
its [fantasy GOs] a trend now and people love mule deer so this was gonna be the animal to cause some fireworks

[earnest panther]

Sorry about those brain cells, self-inflicted injury that.

I for one complained loudly about the Moose furs, and was promptly shut down by everyone lol. Haven't bothered to have such a strong opinion since, as today has proved, they'll chase you down to where you're meant to complain to explain how you're wrong to have an opinion or not like something

[tranquil mango]

Idk,most WT racks(the original GOs) you could see were based off of RL racks. Some people will always say everything EW does is GREAT cause they make money off what they do.

[ornate berry]

Oh wow

[slow obsidian]

Weird take in this case cause great ones are always a free update

[tranquil mango]

100% seems the teams really put a huge focus on furs

[untold violet]

the pink really is a bridge too far lol

[dull junco]

Seriously, have G1s ever been realistic? Even the whitetail are kinda realistic, but Red Deer, Moose, Bear, Tahr, Fallow, and now the Mulies aren’t even close. The Pheasant and Fox look sorta realistic, but even then they’re not totally.

[tranquil mango]

That wasn't my point
People who try to make a living making content off the game will always say everything's just GREAT

[deft crater]

frankly the moose furs were the start of the spiral into more and more unrealistic furs on Great Ones. With this one though I think it went way too far with the tiger stripes and the pink fur though. For Mule Deer might I add, which aren't very well-known for having a huge variety of very different natural fur colorations, unlike for example Fallow Deer, Black Bear, Pheasant, Red Fox etc.

[slow obsidian]

Ah gotcha

[dapper basin]

Even whitetail was pretty exaggerated, look at the big rack. Could only achieve that on a farmed deer

[slow obsidian]

Yeah that’s why I don’t like them either but I’ve never gone after great ones personally cause I just don’t like them. I would’ve greatly preferred remodels on elk grizzly or something

[shrewd meteor]

If they can’t be un realistic with g1 there’s no reason to make them tbh

[ornate berry]

Fr

[deft crater]

frankly at some point it was going to get to a point where there was gonna be backlash, it was inevitable

[dull junco]

Exactly, they never have been super realistic.

[ornate berry]

I don’t want a great one that just looks like a normal deer or whatever, I would like it to be special,

[earnest panther]

For me, I think unrealistic can work just fine - but sometimes things are just ugly. ETA: And something can also be technically well done and ugly, just to be clear lol.

[dapper basin]

False, i criticize anything i dont like. I general am a very positive person tho so i like more things than a lot of people. Ive criticized updates many times. But i try to look at things realistically. I wasnt a fan of things like choosing a fox as a great one. Ive openly said i hate the fox great one grind. I said i didnt like that they chose a 30-30 for this new map. It really comes down to the fact different people like different things. I can like stuff you hate, thats just life my friend. Obviously i cant speak for all creators but i generally try to be honest with all opinions i give.

[shrewd meteor]

Sometimes people forgot opinions are a good thing

[deft crater]

the thing is, I think they totally could have made a Great One Mule Deer without straying into the realm of being unrealistic. As Flinter said quite a few times, even the big nontypicals irl are a lot more wild and crazy than the ones we previously had in the game. That being the case for this species is probably why a lot of people were expecting and wanting EW to go the more realistic route this time around.

[deft crater]

and I really appreciate that about you btw. Everyone has their opinions and I appreciate it when content creators aren't afraid to share their thoughts when they find something they don't like in the game. Good on you for doing that 👍

[tranquil mango]

Totally agree. Flints got a very similar taste as myself and pretty neutral so to speak. I was def expecting something more realistic.

[slow obsidian]

The big sticker for me is the rack that was in the initial teaser deviates so far from a normal rack that some people were thinking it was an elk, there should be a rack that at least has the semblance of a mule deer even if it is a non typical

[shrewd meteor]

No one’s thought it was an elk

[mighty sphinx]

What's going on 💔

[deft crater]

yeah, my first reaction when seeing that teaser was "oh man, I can't tell if that's supposed to be a Mule Deer or a Caribou"

[tranquil mango]

I totally thought it was a caribou/elk hybrid of some sort

[slow obsidian]

Look in the elk great one thread

[deft crater]

so yeah, I think a few more racks that are more "typical" of Mule Deer would be a nice addition

[mighty sphinx]

I thought it was caribou on steroids also hey crow

[shrewd meteor]

I don’t want a mule deer rack I could go to bass pro and see I want one you find in a hunting magazine from 1895 in your grandpas shed

[tranquil mango]

It would be but guessing that won't happen. They're already working on the next dlc I'm guessing. Have no idea how much time they've spent creating the mule go for so long,they didn't hear us up till now.

[dapper basin]

Honestly i think this is where the community deviates from each others opinions on this so much. Most people that play the hunter classic love that rack cause it resembles the massive non typicals you can get in classic. But to someone that hated those or has never played classic i could see how it would look insane. As a classic player this is a top 3 rack for me. While a rack many others like (the heart rack) is one i cant stand.

[dull junco]

Just curious, what’s your opinion on the Fungus looking rack? It looks like something that could theoretically exist, plus it’s just super unique so I like it.

[slow obsidian]

Even those racks had a proper profile to them and properly sized “fs and g4s” the profile on cotws is just off as it always has been for mule deer

[deft crater]

I'm glad that I'm not the only one who is bothered by that heart-shaped rack. It would be a nice rack if it didn't have those parts at the top that form the, well, heart shape for lack of a better word. It looks like the deer has a chandelier on its head or something 😂

[dapper basin]

I like it cause it looks like it has velvet, and it resembles a farm deer like the big rack whitetail. Its so insane that i like it. Its nowhere near my top but its one i can appreciate

[dapper basin]

I guess i dont pay too close attention to that, for me its just "do i like this rack? Yes? No? Okay!"

[dim dagger]

this i guess

[shrewd meteor]

Trigger warning

[deft crater]

yeah I just can't get behind the little ball shaped things on the ends of the tines. They just look nasty in my opinion, but I'm also a bit sensitive to things that look like boils/tumors. When I first saw that rack I thought it looked disgusting.

[dim dagger]

was the spoiler not enough 😭😭

[mighty sphinx]

Only rack I don't like is the fungus, of it was more spread out and a bit bigger, then I'd like it

[deft crater]

now seeing it again, maybe it's not as bad as I initially thought, but it's still not what I would have hoped for with a G1 Mule Deer rack

[slow obsidian]

That and if it was asymmetrical

[dapper basin]

Nah thats understandable, nothing wrong with hating how something looks! Like i said i cant stand the heart rack

[mighty sphinx]

I like the heart shape and drop mine the most

The spiral looks fairly small, it could be a wider in diameter

[dim dagger]

the only one i hate is the spiral horns (they dont deserve to be called antlers)

[dapper basin]

Part of me thinks they made the spiral rack small cause the real life version of it is half the size of the in game one

[waxen jungle]

I do think that non-typicals being perfectly symmetrical is kinda dumb…

[mighty sphinx]

Fair

[deft crater]

something that does disappoint me is that there's no really wide G1 racks with lots of mass. I guess we have some of those with some of the diamond racks, but I was hoping for a really wide one with lots of non-typical points.

[dapper basin]

Thats just a truracs thing tbh, they would need to change the system to get truly realistic non typical antlers

[mighty sphinx]

The spiral looks like an oversimplified version of a lesser kudu I'm not gonna lie Lol

[deft crater]

I was hoping for a G1 rack that looked something like this

[waxen jungle]

I don’t even think it necessitates a whole new system, they could’ve made the base rack wonky imo and it would’ve been fine given how rare g1’s are already.

[deft crater]

like not freakishly huge, just wide with a nontypical rack that doesn't curl around too much

[slow obsidian]

But deer in game can have different variations of antlers on one animal already? (Horned animals too)

[wintry vale]

You know a threads hit big time when the CCs start showing up

[trail hawk]

Scarecrow came in gloves dropped

[deft crater]

yeah, luckily things had calmed down a lot before there was any CCs in here. I don't want to know what chaos would have ensued if they were in here when everyone was at each others' throats

[mighty sphinx]

Oh, this message cooldown is diabolically long

[slow obsidian]

Content Creators

[waxen jungle]

Would make a nice level 3

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[dapper basin]

But thats a built in part of truracs, for all we know these racks could have as much variation with truracs as whitetail. Im talking completely different antlers on both sides like 50/50 racks. Not the twisted antlers truracs gives

[slow obsidian]

You can have that red deer show it off majorly specially around lvl 7 cause they’ll have one antler be the lvl 7 antler and one be a lvl 6 antler or level 9s and 8s will overlap occasionally as well

[dapper basin]

Tbh there could be 50/50 racks for the mule deer. Curious to see what combos they have

[slow obsidian]

Well good luck to you with that endeavor I’ll be sure to tune in at some point. Have a good one!

[dapper basin]

Appreciate you! Appreciate the civil conversation! Not everyone is like that haha

[solid bear]

Thanks for the feedback everyone, we need to tell EW what we want. But they don't listen. Hopefully they listen this time, but I doubt it.

[deft crater]

I want to make it clear that I hold no hard feelings toward anyone who disagreed with me in this thread. I know that meaning and tone can be hard to interpret over text so I just wanted to make that clear. Have a good one everyone, hopefully any future discussions about this topic will be civil and productive (the keyword being hopefully)

[wintry vale]

several people typing

[trail hawk]

Good racks or bad furs or what ever one thing that will stay a constant will be scarecrows Luke Bryan’s level reaction when he sees one

[solid bear]

I agree, we all like or enjoy different things. Some might like the new furs, but it has me so irked, so up in arms that they did the Mulies like this.

[wintry vale]

https://tenor.com/view/luke-bryan-buck-fever-excited-shakey-gif-12238788733631827417

[tranquil mango]

There is 1 CC here. CCs may have opinions but they're just like "average players". They hold no more power than we do at the end of the day

[deft crater]

I mean there was a couple more in here earlier but I get what you mean.

[trail hawk]

Is he down hunter hunter did he go down?!

[wintry vale]

Keep in mind a lot of people have said they like this GO a lot so its not like EW is "doing the exact opposite of what everyone asked for!!!" because thats just as false as it is true depending who you ask

[solid bear]

I know, however I am expressing my things, people can talk here. But I am saying what I think. I get what you mean by saying that EW did the exact opposite, but at the same time many were hoping for something more realistic

[tranquil mango]

100% . I think the mulie community had way different expectations from all their "input" of what they wanted to see developed. So what was produced was way "outside the box" of the players input which lead to a lot of disappointment and their opinions just being spoke.

[tranquil mango]

Yep! People should be able to speak freely. They ask for our opinions and we give. Then if CCs appear we must fear them
But they're just players too.

[solid bear]

Exactly. We made a lot of noise about big deer, big popular deer, ie Broder Buck, Buck of Justice, and many other big deer that look amazing, with long tines, heavy weight, and extras like blades and droptines that are uneven.

[crisp whale]

BOO

[vivid frost]

Ahh

[solid bear]

😒 Really?

[tranquil mango]

Yep!! You made such an amazing case over the years for this CS!! Think they should hire you for an artist!!

[crisp whale]

too scary?

[naive nest]

Flinter jumpscare

[solid bear]

I wish, I'm too young though 😭

[tranquil mango]

Was just saying that cause somebody said "luckily there's no CCs here". And was just saying they're just players like us average folk and nothing to fear. I actually like your content

[gusty patio]

I have a little input to put in here.

I think the reason why previous "less than realistic" G1's work, and why the Muleys look a bit off, is perhaps due to the organic nature of other racks.

When I look at the moose g1, for example, I can tell that these racks are exaggerated, and yet they still look like they could, in one way or another, form on a living, breathing animal. It's "fantasy" without making it look like it could only exist within the world on thCoTW.

And while the mule deer racks have certainly real world inspiration as we've seen posted here, it feels less organic than other fabled racks. There's too much symmetry in some instances, too much "what if" artistic liberty in other takes. Like when I look at some of them, I think more "disney" and less "That thing could actually be seen in a field somewhere living and breathing."

That's just my two cents on it, though. I dont have too much qualms with the fur though.

[crisp whale]

no worries, and I appreciate it! 😂 I am sitting here and making a thumbnail and saw it, found it funny timing lol. I am enjoying the convo. I think a lot of excellent points are being made

[solid bear]

Thanks Flinter

[dapper basin]

What can i say, im a kid at heart and great ones bring that joy out haha

[tranquil mango]

You and several others have driven this to make it happen. It's not what we expected but great work !!

[naive nest]

Im personally fond of what weve gotten but I def see where Cervid and others are coming from; a few more racks equivalent to the Burris Buck and Broder Buck or even the current Nevada state record held by Clifton Fauria (the first two are the respective typical and nontypical record B&C bucks) along with some more grounded realistic furs would help round it out quite well

[naive nest]

For those who arent well versed in the muley lore left is Burris, top right is Broder, bottom right is Fauria's.

[crisp whale]

yeah, for me, I would have prefered if the nontypicals were more in the range of what you posted, but I am thrilled we got nontypicals. -- Definitely feel we are lacking a big impressive typical great one. To be perfectly honest, what we got in those for me are fine. The ones that are more in the fantastical range I don't like as much. Which I think is kind of the core of everything in here. I don't hate them, but they aren't my favorites

[faint stratus]

The real question here...why such big necks?

[abstract hatch]

I just hope if I get one it's the top middle rack or bottom left rack

[naive nest]

Speaking of big typical racks, has anyone taken a remodeled dime muley? Is it possible the big dime rack is a general resemblence of the Burris Buck and the other top 5 typical deer?

[abstract hatch]

Don't even know if I'd tax the top right or top left rack and I've never gotten a great one I can't stand grinding

[crisp whale]

I assume someone has? I haven't gotten any yet. I do think that might be part of the lack of typical great ones. The diamonds are probably modeled after record ones to begin with

[naive nest]

I've seen a few bucks with necks that thick but theyre usually only old heads at the tail end of their physical prime, in the nieghborhood of 8 years old and in their last good year before they die as winterkill due to ground down teeth. Plus muleys have thick necks to start with

[faint stratus]

chonky boi

[tranquil mango]

In rut

[vivid frost]

Tax it and put in a separate lodge

[abstract hatch]

They need to make the current 5 rack that almost always trolls thicker like this rack so it makes it

[crisp whale]

totally agree there. The mass matters big time!

[naive nest]

N E C C

[tranquil mango]

Would be awesome. Hopefully more reworks cause it was so bad that the lvl 4 rack was more impressive than the weird lvl 5 rack

[naive nest]

Given how some of the new lvl3 and lvl4 racks ive seen in CC's early access videos have loocked and how even old racks got remastered I personally wouldnt be shocked if we got a dime rack equivalent to Burris

Now im gonna have to go and slaughter these poor things by the dozen on Askiy to check

[solid bear]

same, i think i will try for a g1, but idk, if i dont get the one i want then ill be mad and prolly blast it with the 470 for fun

[deft crater]

lol, that poor deer is gonna get absolutely destroyed

[naive nest]

lmao

You never know though, you could end up becomign attached to it due to the sunk cost of the grind itself lol

[solid bear]

trust me ive grinded for 7 red deer, i have cash

[abstract hatch]

We need a multimount with wolves surrounding a mule deer so if we get a rack we don't like it'll be condemned for eternity

[deft crater]

honestly if it turns out that mulies do have new racks for diamonds, I might start a grind for them on Askiy Ridge just to try to get the new diamond racks, and if I get a GO in the process I'll just call it a happy accident

[solid bear]

thats what im gonna do

[abstract hatch]

That's my plan. I've wanted a super rare mela or Piebalds for years but thought it would be pointless to grind them before since I was waiting for the GO to release

[solid bear]

but i really want a lot of new dime bighorn, they look amazing now, especially the one Pro xck shot

[deft crater]

now that I think about it, when the G1 for Moose came out they did a patch later on making the fabled fur types guaranteed because of community feedback. So I guess it's possible that they'll add more fur types and racks for the G1 Muley if we can get enough support for it among the community.

[abstract hatch]

They do look good now where can I see the one you're talking about?

[solid bear]

one second

[hollow gull]

......not gonna lie this is something I'd expect to see in a fantasy trope rpg. It truly pains me to say it but what happened to the authenticity we had with whitetail & Moose? Red Deer G1 follows an EU lore/legend so I understood that 1 but I mean really what am I looking at? Credit on the art its cool looking but....its defn. not a Mule Deer 😑⁉️

[shrewd meteor]

Fym authenticity with moose

That’s arguably the least realistic greatone

Is this rage bait

[hollow gull]

I have no idea what FYM means.

[shrewd meteor]

F you mean

[naive nest]

eh, moose racks arent really realistic; the spider is loosely based off an alaskan bull taken in the 90s thats much smaller but otherwise they dont have IRL equivalents

I actually think moose dont have the branching genes that would allow for the quad paddle to even form

[wintry vale]

thing with moose is the models are pretty similar and even though they are outlandish the racks are still very easily identifiable as moose

[deft crater]

to be fair all of the fur types for moose at least have colors that are sort of believable, although the patterns are a different story

[wintry vale]

I think this is why this GO has received so much backlash even though its level of realism is actually comparable to pretty much every other GO in the game oh also the name petal puff

[deft crater]

but yeah most of the G1 racks for moose aren't realistic. Theoretically some are possible but the likelihood of them happening are probably rarer than 1 in a million

[naive nest]

the pinkish petal puff shouldve been replaced with a crimson blackish red coat

or just made a bluish steely leucistic variant

[hollow gull]

•@shrewd meteor - Ah old guy here I dont speak text, thanks for clearing that up. •@naive nest - I never said they were realistic my point is they appear natural not some outlandish creature that became a mutant.

[naive nest]

valid lol

[deft crater]

the difference I think is one of player expectations. The people beating the Mule Deer G1 drum the hardest were (mostly) hoping for big nontypicals that look like real examples of big ones from the record books, with maybe some slight exaggerration of fur colors. They weren't asking for a pink or tiger-striped Mule Deer or one with a heart-shaped rack that looks like a chandelier.

with moose on the other hand, I think people really just didn't know what to expect from a GO with many different fur types and racks back then, so I think people were just happy to have multiple unique furs for them

[deft crater]

by the way, this thread creating such a firestorm is probably a good thing for you because it has helped the post to get more attention. Maybe it can be enough to get the attention of the devs and increase the likelihood of G1 Mulies getting a bit of a rework.

I'm just trying to look on the bright side here, y'know

[ornate berry]

I like the go muley I just don’t like the nub and twisty antlers

[hollow gull]

What I'm seeing here I'm not joking is something I'd see in a fantasy themed game. I'm not hating the art its unique but it doesn't look anything like a mule deer let alone why does it have stripes & the antlers they went way too much & well all over the place to the point where I just cant justify or make any sense of it bc it is so far out there.. H**l the 1 image I seen with the thick beam antlers wasn't bad at all.

[ornate berry]

And I really don’t know why all this complaining didn’t happen with the fallows or moose lol

[trail hawk]

What did I come back to 💀

[ornate berry]

Half of those look terrible/ horribly un realistic

[hollow gull]

See I like the moose bc the models made sense in terms of being out there but still natural & I've seen some satalite Dishes in Idaho that were pretty wild though Alaska still has some monsters. Fallow being an EU species I dont know enough about them to give an opinion since Roe Deer was always talked about from ppl my family were friends with. Again I know there not authentic but the way EW did the design & textures gave it an authentic vibe even though its not irl. These dont light a candle to the 3 other deer G1 models was all my point was.

My wife just seen them & said they look like deer with down syndrome.

[wintry vale]

stop the cap homeboy

[deft crater]

To be fair, fallow deer have the benefit of being a species that has a lot of very unique potential fur variations in real life, so while not all of the Fabled fur types for them in COTW are realistic, it's at least easier to suspend your disbelief with some of them. The same can also be said for a species like Red Fox, or Black Bear, or even Pheasant to some extent.

However, that same thing cannot be said for Mule Deer. So when there's a pink or tiger-striped variation for them, let's just say that's gonna raise a lot more eyebrows.

Moose are an outlier to that rule, which is probably why EW chose to make it so that the G1 Moose were able to have common fur variants back when they first came out. That way, some would still look sort of normal. But that was a very unpopular decision with the community so they were changed so that every G1 moose would have one of their special fur types. Every new Great One since then has followed that same rule (as far as I know).

[hollow gull]

I wasn't aware G1 Moose got an update on different furs I only seen the natural models. Though my wife did get an albino moose on our last play through that I wasn't aware were added either. I only knew the fantasy themed became a trend with Tahr & newer G1's. To be fair I'm not a grinder so I havn't seen all the variations in-game except piebald's.

[harsh walrus]

Wait so is this g1 mule deer legit or is it just rage bait

[hollow gull]

In anycase the new base mule deer models from what I've seen in the previews to me dont look too bad considering. Its just the G1 mule deer that have me 🤨 compared to the 3 original G1 models.

[harsh walrus]

The G 1 mule deer is absolutely disgusting. Looks absolutely horrible

[slow obsidian]

These are the legitimate racks and furs for the g1 mule deer

[harsh walrus]

The normal mule deer still don’t look good but the g1 is just horrendous. To this day I’ve never seen a hunting game do a good job on mule deer or elk antlers.

[naive nest]

the normal muleys are great with the remodel, they captured the body mass of the animal basically perfectly

[harsh walrus]

They’re better than before for sure

[slow obsidian]

The Manitoban elk look pretty good and some of the Cabela’s games did okay for mule deer from what I remember (but the Rockies and Rosie’s need a “facelift” for sure)

[wintry vale]

Lets try not to react emotionally to things that didn't happen exactly how we envisioned

[harsh walrus]

It just blows my mind that they can’t get it right. Like how hard could it possibly be. Some of the old cabelas games were alright

[naive nest]

the remodeled and new rack i've seen are great, im seriously lost as to what your problem is

[wintry vale]

antlers are actually the hardest part of any hunting game imo

ESPECIALLY when you do it in a way where racks are unique and not just the same 4 racks over and over again(which people hated more than this btw)

[hollow gull]

my issue with the old models was they looked hairless with paint on alot of the old species. I read the patch and watched Flinters 9min clip and they look so much better & actually look like they have fur. On a related note I am also curious on what they added to the Tru racks to the other game.

[slow obsidian]

I do miss the old diamond legacy blacktail racks tho despite how ridiculously huge they were

[harsh walrus]

I think moose and whitetail are always done really well. Mule deer and elk are just always a little off. I’m super glad they reworked the mule deer because they do look better than before but I just think they’re still off. I could really break it down to you in detail and show you what I’m talking about

[wintry vale]

Whitetail racks are arguably just as bad as mule deer(not considering GOs btw)

[naive nest]

go ahead and give the detailed breakdown; im seriously at a loss as to what still makes them off

[slow obsidian]

I think they were generalizing? But yeah this game has some of the worst whitetail antlers and behavior I’ve seen in a hunting game.

[modern wolf]

After reading this thread…I feel the same way

[deft crater]

I mean, I think Way of The Hunter did a really good job with their Mule Deer, but I haven't actually played that game myself yet so that's only based on the screenshots and videos I've seen.

[harsh walrus]

Well first of all, mule deer antlers don’t open up like that on the front forks very often. The eyeguards are nearly touching in the game. Yeah generally speaking whitetail are good. Not this game haha. The angle and position the antlers come off the head is too narrow and have a strange bend to them. Beams should typically curl in or at least forwards on most deer. The back forks are pretty good I’ll give them that but the overall frame shape is still just off

[harsh walrus]

The way of the hunter has great potential and really good deer models but there’s no variety in the racks of different deer. That’s where COTW shines

[deft crater]

to be fair to all hunting game developers, deer antlers (especially Mule Deer antlers) can be pretty hard to get right, so you do sort of have to give them some grace on that.

[harsh walrus]

That’s fair. I shouldn’t get all worked up I just get frustrated about it sometimes. However i’m not a developer so idk what goes into it.

[deft crater]

I will say that theHunter Classic has some pretty great Mule Deer racks too. Obviously the nontypicals in that game can get pretty wild and crazy, but there's also a certain amount of random generation to them which is pretty impressive no matter what. For a game that's over a decade old, the antler system for the deer in that game is still really impressive.

[modern wolf]

Well now I’m going to throw my two cents in here because apparently everyone and their mothers are right now(I wish more threads had this much attention)

Milky Way fur looks nice, I like that one. Antlers for all of them are a bit too wonky for my tastes. The tiger stripes and the mushroom antlers are just too much all at once(could have separated them in the photo, it makes it look like an alien deer)

Ultimately in my opinion….meh. I’ve never particularly cared for G1’s. There’s only one G1 I would ever consider targeting, and that’s the G1 elephant

[harsh walrus]

The g1’s could be so cool if they had realistic antlers. Like sure make them crazy big-world record type stuff. But at least make it resemble a mule deer. Plenty of 300” mule deer to reference

[mighty sphinx]

G1s dont have to be realistic

[naive nest]

hm, i suppose youre right about that but most of the racks ive seen have looked good to me and kept a rather believable frame shape

[harsh walrus]

It’s touted as the most realistic hunting game out there? At least so they claim. I’m not saying they have to. I’m saying they should

[mighty sphinx]

They never said it was the most realistic game lmao, the most realistic hunting game is way of the hunter

[slow obsidian]

Believable sure, but it can fall into something similar to the uncanny valley for some folks where your brain just tells you something’s off

[harsh walrus]

I agree with you that WOTH is more realistic but on that but I do think the g1’s that look like they came from fantasyland majorly detract from the rest of the game which is pretty realistic

[mighty sphinx]

That's why is referred to a great one, they're not supposed to be realistic, that's what makes them exciting instead of. Ohh look at that, a realistic g1 when it could be GEHEIDIER GREAT ONE LETS GOO cause why want to see something you ca get irl, I'd prefer them to be unrealistic

[slow obsidian]

Those irl bucks are once in a lifetime animals most hunters will never even see bucks like that ever

[mighty sphinx]

The point is, you still can get it, it gives you that feeling, same thing could be said about the Irish elk fallow rack

[harsh walrus]

I guess to each their own! While I’m here, if you guys want to make a real impact with protecting wildlife, please go oppose the proposed massive public land sale in the new big beautiful bill. They’re trying to sell off 3 million acres of public land, much of it being on crucial winter range. Sorry this isn’t really the place for that but it’s a big deal for hunters and wildlife all across the western US

[waxen jungle]

People tend to prefer when you can actually tell that it’s a mule deer…

[mighty sphinx]

Only racks you can't tell is fungus and spiral, and they actually exist so technically they do exist and they are realistic

[slow obsidian]

The others you could put on caribou and elk and they’d be just as believable as their great one racks

[waxen jungle]

That’s not what I’m saying… at all. Nice assumption though.
The other 90% of racks aren’t indicative of mule deer and that’s the problem. Pair that with… kinda meh skins and you’ve got a storm brewing.

For example, the moose great one may be fictional but you can clearly tell it’s still a moose, the tahr great one is fictional and YOU CAN STILL TELL THAT IT’S CLEARLY A TAHR.

[mighty sphinx]

It looks like a mulie vro 💔 you gotta look things up sometimes, not trying to be rude but yeah

[waxen jungle]

Find me a mule deer with what appears to be a combination of leopard rosettes, an ouija board and geometric shapes.

It looks faintly like a mule deer.

Tell me what to google to find this beast

[mighty sphinx]

That, I personally don't like but I gotta live with it, I just lt it go, if you don't want to have the g1 or don't like it, don't grind it at all and wait for the next one or suck it up and grind for them, now I'm sorry if I'm coming off as rude, no intention at all but that's what I think also I was mainly preferring to the spiral and other racks

[waxen jungle]

Art is meant to be criticized. If you just “let it go” then how are people supposed to know what we really want.

[slow obsidian]

That’s all well and good but for the devs to actually decide where to take the game feedback is useful if a lot of people don’t like something but they stay quiet how would anything ever change

[untold violet]

its a mule, just not the deer kind
expand your mind smh my head

[waxen jungle]

I would’ve taken a literal mule with antlers duct tapped on top tbh.

[mighty sphinx]

It's not meant to be bashed in their face like "HORRIBLE HORRIBLE G1" you gotta be reasonable with the things you complain about, give a list if reasons you don't like it

[untold violet]

its close lol

[slow obsidian]

I personally have but earlier in the discussion but I can list them again if you’d like

[mighty sphinx]

I'm just talking about in general

[waxen jungle]

I’m being very reasonable. I’m even actively giving my reasons as to why I don’t like it.

[slow obsidian]

Well in general I’ve seen just as much fair criticism as bashing

[waxen jungle]

I’ve seen less as the day goes on.

[mighty sphinx]

Look, I'm not trying to get myself involved into stuff i don't need to be in, but still. You got what you wanted, the g1 mulie, if you didn't want it now, why you ask for it in the first place? Not saying you did but but still

[slow obsidian]

I just wish the great ones could stop entirely I’m not a fan, would much prefer that manpower go into remodeling animals, but fixes, better weapons systems, etc.

[waxen jungle]

Is it really unreasonable or unfair to criticize this product?

Because as far as I’ve seen, this is quite the opposite of the hand drawn great one mule concepts I’ve seen over the years.

[mighty sphinx]

If the g1s stop. Then the game dies, some as thaylt

[mighty sphinx]

Because concepts are just what it could look like, not what it should

[waxen jungle]

To my knowledge, grinders are still technically a minority of the playerbase, I’m not sure that’s the case. Unless you’ve got some data to show us.

[mighty sphinx]

How exactly am I gonna show that? There's no way I can show you info like that, I can just assume because of a channel called "great ones"

[waxen jungle]

Concepts are inherently a by product of what the grinding community wants to see.

[naive nest]

as much as it does mismatch with the vast majority of the communiy made designs, I do feel a massive amount of people are overhating them.

Theyre not inherently bad, the racks are generally impressive and interesting and the furs are certainly eyecatching with a few being rather obviously based on common furs (drizzle especially). They're well designed and good content to be sure, I just feel a lot of people are improperly categorizing them as bad just because they arent relistic or arent what they were expecting (that said the pink petal puff fur is the weakest and shouldve been a stoney grey or bluish steely leucistic, maybe a rusty dark blackish crimson instead).

[waxen jungle]

Put it on a spreadsheet.

[mighty sphinx]

I'm not going out of my way wasting my time for data that's literally right there In the chat, practically every g1 is from different people who grind

[waxen jungle]

That doesn’t disprove the fact that grinders are a minority of the playebase (according to EW themselves)

[slow obsidian]

The way you have to play the game to have a chance to get one sucks imo you can’t just stumble across one like a diamond, you pretty much have to grind if you want one which is not a way I personally like to play and it still can take a stupid amount of time

[mighty sphinx]

It's whatever, from the legend jaxybeard said, the game is supposed to be played any way you want, you're not forced to get the mulie, it's optional

[waxen jungle]

I say, go hog wild

But, just make it so you can actually tell it’s a mule deer (Ex, moose). Mule deer are among the most requested g1 species and they should’ve been handled with utmost care and respect.

[waxen jungle]

If that’s the attitude everyone would have, where would we even go? It’s a bit of a static mindset to have rather than a growth mindset.

[mighty sphinx]

That's unfair to the devs though, they dont exactly know what everyone in this discord or communities want. They can have everything right and people would still complain

[slow obsidian]

People will always have differing opinions that’s just a fact of life

[mighty sphinx]

Wdym? That's literally what jaxy said, you grind or you don't grind, simple, you can hm, not an exploit or cheating, you can use mods but don't put it on multiplayer, it's a game that can be played anyway you want, people just choose the way they play and I respect whatever they do. I can't control them, only they can control them

[waxen jungle]

That’s a fact of life but there’s no sense in not trying.

[mighty sphinx]

Yes there's no sense in not trying but there is no reason to blatantly hate on something that's literally just pixels

[waxen jungle]

The only true “hating” I’ve seen is a very, very, very small minority of which whom were immediately put in their place.

[slow obsidian]

You realize the people upset at this are vocal about it because they like the game? And they want to see it at its best. Idk about the outright hating you’d have to give me the specifics of contexts cause I’ve been popping in and out of this thread so I’ve definitely missed some things.

[mighty sphinx]

It's like I said, if you don't like it, don't grind for it no sense in getting worked up over a few pixels on a screen

[slow obsidian]

And as I said if you dislike something and no one says anything there will never be change

[naive nest]

I dont know if id put that many very's in front of small cause I had to tell off like 20 D1 haters who were wishing harm or unemployment on the devs for the muley G1s

like you're allowed to not like it but apparently some folks dont realize there's a line

[waxen jungle]

I’ll give it three very’s then

Lotta people coming in and out of chat today, way more than usual. Opening Eve n all.

[slow obsidian]

Sure the stakes are low as it’s a video game but it’s one I greatly enjoy so I’m gonna share my opinion and if it’s an unpopular one so be it, the majority will ideally win out but if everyone only ever gave positive feedback we would still be having to headshot/heartshot our animals to get a proper medal score

[mighty sphinx]

Want me to be honest? Because if you do stuff like hardly criticizing a g1, they'll probably never look at or read it, you gotta be respectful in some of the way you word different things. And people have not been respectful, not saying everyone isn't respectful, but there's a point that if there are people being disrespectful enough, it's common sense, they won't do anything about it

[slow obsidian]

Have I been disrespectful?

[mighty sphinx]

Keyword "not saying everyone is disrespectful"

[slow obsidian]

so you’re complaining to me about how other people have complained? Even though the only way it involves me is that the opinion is similar?

[mighty sphinx]

No, I'm saying why they won't look at opinions, cause they go through enough already. Jm saying If there is enough people that is disrespectful, they won't change anything cause they'll more than likely stop looking at other opinions, Idk cause I don't work with ew

[wintry vale]

Are we arguing about people complaining about people arguing rn?

[slow obsidian]

I have no clue anymore

[mighty sphinx]

I'm just trying to let people know that there is no point in getting mad over pixels, I need to but here recently I've been liking everything they've brought to the game. I'm ending it here cause there's no point trying anymore, I'm tired and need to go to bed so I can wake up for the map

[slow obsidian]

Don’t say anything in a similar vein to that to any sports fans lol

[mighty sphinx]

Real, I have a friend thats s cowboys fan and when they lose to us (the 49ers) I'm like ggs and calls me names lol

[autumn pasture]

OK thanks. The fairy tail is over. Now we have abnormalities.

[autumn pasture]

In order they to start strongly distracting. We need to kill ten of thousands animals in pretty realistic game.

[turbid birch]

Ongedistileerder makou kak

[slow obsidian]

Load of goose crap if I’m roughly translating that correctly?

[rigid swan]

I think I just figured out how to articulate why I dont like the Mule Deer GO's.

They look like furries...

[turbid birch]

Yup, undistilled goose crap 😂

[drowsy falcon]

Meemaw says: Now you youngins can stop begging and get back to complainin'

[clever citrus]

The great one mule deer rebellion of 2025 lol, I’m on both sides. I can see why a lot are unhappy, while a lot are happy. Some furs I personally love (Dripple Drizzle and Dusky drift) while some I hate (The rest basically, except Milky way) The antlers are also.. strange. Some are decent, the others are just no. I think they could’ve been a lot worse, but also a lot better, and we deserve a lot better ones.

[stoic summit]

We deserve a lot better from this game in general .

[clever citrus]

That’s true too

[rain herald]

Oh my...

[waxen bluff]

We need the Platinum Mule Deer

[solid bear]

There's 574 messages in this thread already

[modern wolf]

I wish more threads had this much attention

[tranquil mango]

I'm guessing Jaxy is probably happy he's not doing there weekly stream this week😂 But it would be nice to have a stream so we can hear why they did what they did.

[quartz trench]

I pray

[tranquil mango]

I wish!!! That's what we all were looking for. But guessing we'll have to wait a very,very long time nowthat they just released them. But we can hope.

[tranquil mango]

The other thing is look at those. They're absolutely amazing. We don't need "fantasy furs" the antlers provide the "wow factor" by themselves. They'd have the usual mel,pie,and piebald. Which for WT has worked. I've heard rumors of 1 pie,1 Mel and 1 albino WT GO being shot. Maybe theres more been taken. Point is tho we don't need fantasy rares cause the natural ones can be just as amazing and rare.

[autumn pasture]

For whose who didn't get G1 after years of play. It's a fantasy, fairy tail etc. They want stunning antlers not abnormal. For grinders or content makers...., yes any will do.

[solid bear]

I still can’t believe what E.W. did to the Mule Deer Great One. Adding a tiger fur, an appaloosa horse fur, velvet antlers that aren’t fully grown, with what looks like fungus or mushrooms. It has the best looking frame, but the bulbs on top look ridiculous.

The antlers look too wavy on some, not having straight, or curved antlers that go in one direction. As well as the frames of the, don’t follow a normal, or even most abnormal Mule Deer. They are truly a disappointment in my eyes. None follow any deer-like resemblance.

EW had the chance to make the best looking Great One, with many ‘great’ deer to reference from real life. But they didn’t make Mule Deer. Nothing even close.

[ornate berry]

It isn’t velvet

[solid bear]

Looks velvet to me, it has orange fur or looks like it.

[tranquil mango]

Not sure why u sent that to me. I myself have gotten 2 WT GOs and they're awesome. But these fantasy furs that are unrealistic is the mystery to all of us who've pushed for mule goes. Other recent species as well,are fantasy. The concept was to create versions of RL "rare monsters" that are super rare. Not something out of a fantasy. Which is a lot of what we've gotten with GOs lately. Do we want a fantasy "arcade game" or immersion??? The team needs to decide. They preach immersion but lately it's fantasy.

[ornate berry]

It’s def hard horn from the pics I’ve seen

[tranquil mango]

100%. The heart rack and whatever the other one is called is so "thin" looking that any lvl 4-5 mulie would destroy that rack if they got into a fight cause the tines and points are terribly skinny they'd shatter like glass😂

[solid bear]

Exactly, they want an immersive game, they made snow tracks, beavers cutting down trees, and have done many other improvements for immersion. But the Great Ones are not immersive, it leaves you wondering "What is this? Why is it in the game?" So why do they do this? These Great Ones aren't immersive or realistic.

[tranquil mango]

Yes GOs are supposed to be something that's "real" bit so rare it's a once in a lifetime experience that deserve the title "great one". That's not what we've been getting lately.

[autumn pasture]

Ouch. sorry. I mixed up fur and antlers. I like only antlers. Fur doesn't matter for me.

[tranquil mango]

Yep,that's why I was saying yesterday that they spent so much time making beavers and snow so real and total immersion amd the GO is well,maybe 2 are actually kind of realistic

[ornate berry]

The beavers pmo

[solid bear]

Not at all, from Moose with no paddles, to furs that are orange or have weird spots. Whatever they are doing is not realistic.
I just don't understand what they're thinking, Mule Deer are the icon of the West, with majestic antlers, deep forks, large frames, droptines, extras, blades, etc. That is not what we got

[autumn pasture]

Exactly

[tranquil mango]

No need to apologize. I chase for the antlers as well in game and RL. But several of both with Mules and moose are something that's just from a fantasy world and not realistic.

[tranquil mango]

And esp to Alberta. I made a suggestion quite a while ago for antler diversity and actually suggested that WT antlers in Canada are known as "chocolate" cause they're soo much darker like chocolate than anywhere else in the world,like they could be a diamond variations in game. That went nowhere. Plus the mulies are absolutely monsters up there. 1 thing they got right is having both species on 1 map. The new WT "mule kick" they've been advertising is well,ok bit they still have figured out how to make their tails raise or mulies actually bounce or however you want to say it as they run. I wish they'd focus on details like that. Just my opinion. I'm more of a immersion seeking player

[drowsy falcon]

Fantasy Great Ones are just EW hearing the footsteps of the competition

[solid bear]

Me too, I like grinding, but I also love an immersive hunt, like on Sundar when it starts snowing, and hunting tahr with iron sights, etc. I love that.

[tranquil mango]

When I first started playing when the game came out grinding wasn't even a thing. Just more of a natural approach to hunting. Just an example you'd see WT and BT drinking or eating at the same zones just like IRL. Now all the species are separated and just meh as far as seeing species "mingle" together. Idk what happened to the mechanic and why it's impossible to make that happen anymore bit I sire did love that and miss that aspect of the game
Was way more realistic. Again I'd love to focus on making that happen again. It's about the "details" that brings replayability to the game. Don't even get me started about how outdated BT and WT antlers are😂 Again something that's been pushed for many years and there's no progress.

[solid bear]

I loved when species would mingle, do you remember on Cuatro when Red deer, ibex, and mouflon would drink together? That was my favorite time of theHunter. And even with new Mule Deer antlers, I have barely seen any new ones!

[tranquil mango]

Heck yes!!! That was so awesome! Ah the good old days😂 Again not sure why they can't figure out how to make that happen cause it worked before and now it's impossible. Idk I miss the "old game" so to speak.

[solid bear]

And I know game development takes time, I took a coding class once and almost failed, it was really difficult to even make a character move the right way (for me at least) but at the same time EW needs to take feedback. I doubt they'll take this for the Mulies sadly, but I hope in the future they can do better on the Great Ones

[naive nest]

to be fair, the remodels of various species and distribution of mountain game to actually be in the mountains shows they have been listening to feedback, i think this is just a scenario of them having to choose which feedback to implement based on how it matches with the content and the G1s being a prioritization of creativity over feedback

[dull junco]

G1s have never been intended to be something “real”. The whitetail aren’t, those all look like a deer from a farm, hyped up in steroids or hormones. The Red Deer looks nothing like a real Red Deer. The Black Bears don’t look anything like a Black Bear fur irl. The Moose, same thing, unrealistic antlers and furs. Every single great one has had maybe 1 or 2 potentially realistic variants and that’s about it.

[solid bear]

I agree with that, but I'm just so disappointed with the Mule Deer, they could have been so good. I'm sorry if I keep saying the same things over and over again, but I have dreamed of this for 4+ years now of a Mule Deer Great One. I haven't been in good health for a while and other stuff, so it just disappoints me.

[hearty canyon]

I keep seeing people saying Great Ones are supposed to fantasy fantasy. I don't think the issue is them being fantasy. I belive the issue for a lot of people is they just don't like the color choices of the fantasy furs they picked. I actually like that they make them fantasy but they could have been better fantasy fur colors.

The antlers im ok with because i like the non-typical antlers. I do wish there was a few more Big typical racks based on world records to go with the crazy non-typical racks.

[autumn pasture]

After the species are separated I don't hunt in Layton any more.

[tranquil mango]

I don't either. That was my fav map to hunt. Esp since you'd be hunting say elk,they would cross paths with moose so you'd see both species in one "time window" and when they'd start moving other species would cross paths as well. It was soo good!!

[buoyant sequoia]

G1 should look only slightly more majestic than a diamond. And keep it realistic, not turning G1 into a fantasy creature.

[solid bear]

Exactly.

[deft crater]

I mean I think they can go wild with the antlers as long as the rack is still somewhat believable. But I don't want pink animals in this game, or anything like that.

[mellow plaza]

True leaders, ruffle feathers.

[deft crater]

I meant animals with pink fur. If they want to add flamingos to this game, I won't complain 😂

[pale vine]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/61/Pokémon_Theme_Song_-_Sample.ogg

[solid bear]

lol

[mellow plaza]

Cinnamon Stripes, the evolved form of Burro. 😆

[pale vine]

100% agree. The whitetail was THE BEST GREAT ONE! I can see what they tried to do here. But then they added the Spider-Rack on the moose great one... and people accepted it.

[solid bear]

Only 1 of the antlers looks real. And it doesn't even look that good.
They said they take inspiration from everywhere. But that needs to stop. They need to only reference the animal they are making. Cobweb Enigma looks like an Apaloosa horse, Dusky looks like a Kudu, Cinnamon looks like a Tiger, Petal Puff would look good if it wasn't pink.
The Fungus rack should have been made all the way with points, not bulbs that look like it's still growing or like a ranch Whitetail. I'm so sad they didn't reference the Broder Buck, or the Buck of Justice, or almost any other big buck that looks decent.
All they needed to do was make some heavier antlers, add some extras, droptines that look good, and blades.
That's all they needed to do. It would've kept me hunting Mule Deer forever. But nope, they chose the fantasy, one-in-a-million, diseased or weirdest looking deer they could've chose to make.

[tranquil mango]

Indeed. WT are the most realistic GOs,esp like how they just have the classic rare fur types that are found in nature. Keeps me chasing them. I'm trying so hard to motivate myself for a Mulies but just can't get excited enough. Esp if I choose to grind for one. Idk,just can't get into it. I'll be chasing WT GOs on the new map mainly. I was so excited after all these years and I think it's the disappointment in what we got that's kind of killed my spirit for it. Idk,maybe one day I'll try to go for 1.

[solid bear]

Yes, extreme disappointment, this could've been the best one, and gotten people like us to get one. but they chose the wrong route to go down.

[autumn pasture]

While we complaining. Top bloggers and grinders fited tents and started grind. After 4 days the hunt is over. No one cares about base rifles and ugly G1 mules. See you in the next dlc with new rifles or dogs. 😎

[still atlas]

I agree, and I'm disappointed by some of these variations. I'm still grinding and hoping for the good rack or one of the two other decent ones. Praying my mulie G1 isn't a tiger either. I feel like a lot of people aren't grinding because they don't want to put in the hours if they might get a G1 that's smaller and uglier than a typical diamond. Aren't the G1s supposed to be the huge majestic animals hunters tell stories about? I doubt I'd make anything other than a joke over the corkscrew and mushroom rack, I honestly don't even know what to call that one... I feel like you should never be let down be a G1, they should all be beautiful and majestic, but sadly, these mule deer just aren't.

[tranquil mango]

100% That's why I don't want to waste my time. That's exactly what I'm afraid of! Id actually get the only good rack and then it'd be the dumb tiger 🐅 fur. I wouldn't even want to taxi it which is the exact opposite of how we're supposed to feel about bagging a once in a lifetime trophy. It's so disheartening

[tranquil mango]

We can only hope the next dlc has something to be excited about. Don't get me wrong I live the new map,I like the beavers as well. But hate the new rifle even tho I love the 30-30 real life version to death. I despise the GO mulie which we've been dying to see for soo many years not to mention this was one of the most expensive dlcs tjeyve released.Idk,what to expect. The last rifle pack also was just a play off of calibers already in the game and semi-auto concept that's already in game,they just made them an older version. I think the teams running out of ideas or IDk what's going on with their vision so to speak.

[still atlas]

Hopefully, something big is coming, like Africa 2.0. This map is amazing, and the remodles are too. However, after Sundarpatan, we know what they're capable of, and this is definitely not taking even 90% of their efforts, like Sundarpatan did. Hopefully something big is coming and we got vurhonga after medved so maybe africa after askiy??? Just hoping something like a lion G1 won't bring tigers to africa lol

[pale vine]

Whoever give greenlight to the fungus and kudu antlers must be fired

[pale vine]

When i see those great ones i just think about play thehunter Classic but the graphics are soo outdated

[deft crater]

this is a perfect photo, it shows exactly why the Mule Deer Great Ones make no sense

[deft crater]

Here's a post that I just made with some additional variations that EW might want to consider adding:
#1385681825480835173

[dull junco]

The Kudu rack is theoretically possible irl, as many people have pointed out. I’m not a huge fan of it, but it is realistic.

[pale vine]

LOL i never seen such rack

[deft crater]

honestly if we had a few more nice looking big nontypical rack variants, I would be fine with still having one or two of these wacky rack variations. It just feels like more impressive realistic racks were left out in favor of the weird ones, which is a serious shame.

[deft crater]

which is why I made this post

[dull junco]

And as I’ve said: Great 👏Ones👏Have👏Never👏Been👏Realistic👏. I don’t exactly see a reason as to why they should be now all of a sudden. I think the G1 Mulie is just fine as it is, although the Diamonds need to be far more realistic

[deft crater]

I was saying that because you can make big impressive-looking trophy mulies without having to make them look super unrealistic, as I've said repeatedly and plenty of people have posted images to show. The choice to not include more racks that are based on actual big Mule Deer is honestly baffling. Even a few of the Great One Red Deer racks were based on some big ones from New Zealand (obviously the GO Red Deer also has the plants on the antlers, but that's also not impossible). I get that they aren't meant to be 100% realistic, there's always going to be some amount of exaggeration. But there was so much potential for more believable Mule Deer GO racks that was never utilized, and that is a real shame. You can clap your hands as much as you want, it will never change the fact that EW didn't have to make pink or tiger-striped fur types or a rack that looks like Cinderella's carriage, if all they wanted to do is make an impressive trophy that many people would actually want to grind for.

[tranquil mango]

And the outlandish tiger skin is,well won't give my honest option cause I'll get😂 😂 😂 banned

[deft crater]

that's actually the whole point of why this thread was created lol. Nobody is saying that we need every Great One in the game to look exactly like a real animal. We all get that a Great One is meant to be a "Fabled" animal, Cervid Slayer literally said that in the original post. We just want better quality for them and for more real-life inspiration to be taken where it's possible. Nobody is saying that zero creative liberties can be taken, we just want Great Ones that look good and that are somewhat believable, not going all the way into the realm of the outright absurd.

[untold violet]

howre you still in here arguing about this bro lol

[hearty canyon]

The antlers don't bother me much. Sure they could have been better. It's the furs for me. You guys know im not into realistic at all and i dont care for the furs they picked. I love most of EWs work but that tiger fur is rough

[dull junco]

I can agree with you there, that Tiger fur is kinda trash, as is the Petal Puff or whatever they called it

[feral current]

At least on all the previous Great Ones, you could look at the rack without the body and know what species the antlers belong to. Anyone that knows anything about a mule deer knows those racks do not represent a mule deer. A fable deer? Yes, but not a fable mule deer what so ever!

[dull junco]

Anyone who knows anything about mule deer knows that those diamond racks look absolutely nothing like a mule deer either, but go ahead and complain about the G1 racks which have never really looked like the species they were intented to depict.

[sly citrus]

I could look at any of the great one versions and say there mule deer, besides obviously the corkscrew rack.

It might not be the best examples of mule deer, but they are still in the realms of mule deer's typical-esc shape being double forked almost all of them.

[dull junco]

Even the corkscrew rack you can definitely say “yep, that’s a Whitetail or Mule for sure”.

[sly citrus]

There's little too no deer in the world that jutt and branch forward like north american deer like whitetail, mule deer and blacktail.

The only one that comes to mind is marsh deer, but again there pretty closely genuses related since there from south america.

I'm not saying the G1 muleys are good, but It would take an idiot to not register them as mule deer or blacktail lmo

[feral current]

You are right, now that I look at them, the moose, reddeer and fallow all could be mule deer racks without question.

[autumn pasture]

In another side. I glad about a new g1. Now we understood that not all from us will live to see of normal 30-30, 45-70 and 270. And it's unlikely that this will happened at all. The g1 mule with ugly abnormalities to drove in a good last nail. I'm so hooked on this game that it became a problem. Thanks tiger for a sober look on predators. Thanks mule and a new 30-30 for a sober look on the devs road map. All in all the game let me go.

[drowsy falcon]

Does it seem like Mule Deer G1s are a bit easier? Difficult to tell if it's just the flood from release-week excitement, but I don't remember past G1s popping like this. Makes me wonder if they nerfed the RNG

Flinter got a super-rare Mulie about 20 kills after a G1 today - congrats to him, but it did seem like a first

[tranquil mango]

I agree with you on that 100% In the fact that lvl 4 mule racks are better than the 5s for sure. That plus I myself only see a couple of the GOs that look ok. After seeing all the versions of mules,yep they're trying to work on mulies but are a very long way off. Not bashing ,just constructive criticism

[drowsy falcon]

Exhibit A

[dull junco]

Maybe, it could be that they see so many people complaining about how hard they are so they made it a bit easier

[tranquil mango]

What's even crazier Is the Africa 2.0 chat is the most popular chat with 1300+ comments over a long period. This Mulie GO chat already has almost half that in just a week 😳

[autumn pasture]

The same was with g1 fallow deer. This was predictable because bof of them have are the high spawn rate of 5 class.

[crisp whale]

not trying to correct you, but they were 2 hours apart 😛 Still not that many more kills. Maybe 60? Somewhere in there

[deft crater]

How about this revolutionary idea then: they can improve the diamond racks and add better Great One racks? You seem to think that it's only possible to do one of those two things, but it's not. We can get both if we all make our voices heard and EW decides to listen, which they've shown that they are willing to do with many of the reworks that they've done recently.

Serious question for you Schrader: if you want better Mule Deer diamond racks, why don't you go make your own dedicated post asking EW to make better ones? If you really want better racks for them, you should at least put your money where your mouth is, instead of constantly bringing this issue up and never doing anything about it. I'm not accusing you of anything, but it seems like you're just talking about it to try to shut down the conversation in this thread, instead of bringing it up because you actually want things to change.

If you go and make a post called "Add better diamond racks for Mule Deer" or something like that, I will be more than willing to upvote it. In fact, I'll even bump it up so that more people can see it. We can all get the best of both worlds. You're creating a false dichotomy here by acting like we can only get one or the other.

[sly citrus]

You also have to keep in mind games are also ran by higher-ups the creative design might create those designs dont get me wrong (as we could see with G1 bear) a lot of potential varaints got axed, but the higher ups are the ones that agree too allow development to continue as well, comunity imput hardly ever changes that.

Considering how important great ones are now for popularity I suspect they have a big say in the final product.

It takes (one) higher up too enjoy the fantasy creatures and agree too it.

Honestly though after the update Its pretty clear the hate was just initial confusion, a few days later a LOT of people have settled into the new GO's and are really enjoying them.

I think the only collective agreement would corkscrew being a bit bigger, and the velvet rack being toned down abnormal wise, and forking better at the top (it clearly would, just the design It isnt quite there growth wise yet)

[solid bear]

I still hate them, they don't look real

[sly citrus]

There not the best, but I dont mind them that seems to be a large chunk of players now, nothing saying your opinion is wrong though your entitled too it! but like... the initial hate has 100% died down.

Tagged wrong person, I was typing something else when you responded cervid.

[solid bear]

All good, it happens cause we gotta type after a minute each message. Anyways I'm really passionate about them, and while some look ok, they could have done better

[sly citrus]

Trueracs in COTW have always been awful I dont know why either Its not hard to make realistic racks especially as a studio that could a hundred percent go the same direction as WOTH and do live scans of antlered trophies then use true-racs to give the models generative varaince

Or go classics direction and do indivital models for everything, Classics whitetail for example have 16 individual models with various heights and mass they also have the option for 8 (4 on each side) abnormal tines, obviously Its an old system Its not that much different from COTW's in terms of randomness when you actually look at it. But appearance wise It for sure makes them look way more dynamic the only issue I see is the connection seams you can see where the tines connect on classics models.

what with a modern engine, I feel like they would be able to fix.

[solid bear]

Like which one would you rather have, bubbles or tines galore?

[sly citrus]

Yeah I'm not sure why they went massive farmed mule deer and not a nice kinda rounded tine velvet buck like you've posted.

I like all racks besides the velvet lmo, but I do find it neat since it actually is velvet textured though.

It wouldnt of been as bad If they were logically placed those "bulbs" should be placed where the forks are growing, since there's no upper forks present (yet) and none on the bottom tines, unless the games telling us Its going to sprout another fork on each of those...... makes no sense.

[solid bear]

It actually has the best frame out of them, if it was grown it would look 100 times better

[sly citrus]

100% kind of looks like It would fork out typically twice, then probably have another of the g1(? Is that what they are on mule deer) on the back? would of been neat, and pretty typical-ish.

Also rip cant find a big image of a deer that's growing the splits of there forks (right before they split) about the best I can find, mature deer are thicker and usually a little rounder, but yeah.... just way too excessive in game.

[sly citrus]

yeee there we go, thank you

[ornate berry]

They should’ve done this for the velvet rack

[tranquil mango]

Now that would've gotten me excited!!! Esp the coat. It's like a copper like close to the tirgerstip,but don't have stripes. It's not a tiger. I myself really dislike the tiger coat. But those velvet antlers are sweet!

[solid bear]

yeah i think they were going for a velvet fur with the stripes, but then they added stripes and ruined it

[unreal falcon]

Regardless of fur .... If they were trying to show us a rack in velvet they totally and completely missed the mark ....

In addition you only see velvet racks during the off season .... And they didn't have to go in that direction to recreate a great rack in season ,,,, There are plenty of examples out there .... Even the racks that are somewhat normal looking have no mass ???

[tranquil mango]

For sure! Yea the heart rack looks so fragile. Like it would shatter to pieces if that buck ever got into a fight with another buck😂 cause the tines are twig like

[halcyon tundra]

Crow is hating 😂

[clever citrus]

Wait no I think I change my mind again. I used to dislike them, but now they’re my favourite. I can see why you think they should be better, but I know myself and many others like these. But this is just my opinion and I’m not trying to throw any hate around

[solid bear]

yeah hes only hating cuz if he doesnt like them he loses his early access

[solid bear]

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1385681825480835173

[tranquil mango]

I like that

[solid bear]

who @ ed me?

[tranquil mango]

Not me😂

[solid bear]

It's been about a month and EW hasn't done or said anything about them, or why they chose to ruin them. I haven't even hunted that much for a Great One after Tahr. And this is another nail in the coffin for me. Fungus is the worst, Cinnamon looks like a Tiger, the Corkscrew rack is just disgusting, and most furs besides Milky Way look horrible.

Did you guys not think about any cool or big looking deer? Not see my feedback post or anyone else's? Who showed big, realistic looking deer that are magnificent? No. I don't think you did. Some people love them and that's what you want, but as for me and some others, we do not like them at all. They do not look real, they do not look good, and they are not "great" to me.

[prime burrow]

Ew is not going to say anything because there is nothing that needs to be said. Simple as that.

[chilly fox]

Truthfully I do think they could have been more realistic but at the same time the only rack I don’t like is the corkscrew. Not all of them are realistic but it’s a game so quite frankly I see no problem with them. The only thing is they should have done more with the velvet texture than just put this giant cluster on its head.

Plus they can’t make everyone happy because one side wants them realistic the other side wants the crazy furs. They should make some realistic great ones like whitetail and some really crazy ones that way they can balance the player base out.

[deft crater]

I totally agree that they should have done more with the velvet texture. I think they easily could have done three or four velvet racks and found a way to make each of them unique and interesting. I do like the concept of a great one that is in velvet, I just wish that they had done more with it for the Mule Deer.

here's some nontypical velvet racks that they could have used as inspiration

[solid bear]

They could have done a few more racks and furs that would have been more real looking, like the Broder buck, which was SHOT IN ALBERTA, or the Buck of Justice, but they didn't. And I have lost faith for new Great Ones

[prime burrow]

That sucks for you.

[solid bear]

I just dont understand how you can like the stupid fungas cancer rack or the corkscrew rack, baffles me. The look so bad

And cinnamon stripes, it looks like a tiger, not a freaking Mule Deer, not one bit do they look like their real counterparts

And I know you're gonna say " they dont look like mule deer and thats why i like them, they look cRaZey"

They do look crazy, but not crazy good.

[copper token]

People can like them because people have different opinions

[prime burrow]

Those 2 are in my top racks

[unreal falcon]

some people like the fantasy stuff and some people like the more realistic models ... I prefer the more realistic ... Unfortunately for us realistic folks its easier to create the fantasy model rather than to try and make something look realistic ....

That's the issue we are dealing with and why there is so much dislike for these Mule Deer G1 models ....

Of course I understand that if they went the more realistic route then the fantasy fans would be complaining ....

[chilly fox]

That’s what I’m saying I like both realistic and fantasy great ones, but they need to make more realistic ones so both sides have great ones that they really like

[tranquil mango]

I totally agree. I myself love the realistic. Mulies are my 2nd fav species and waited so long for them to make GO status. But haven't even chased them. Don't want to spend so much time getting a GO and then just hate it. They could've also just have say 50% fantasy furs and 50% regular fur. I dislike how everyone has a fantasy fur. There's 1 or 2 patterns that aren't to crazy but just too off the rails as far as realism goes. Just my opinion tho.

[zenith rover]

g1s werent meant to be realistic. always been the "never gonna happen deer". ask them for a new type of level called "Once in a lifetimes" and that can be where the realistics go. the G1 is perfectly fine and counting up all the reactions to this barely scratches enough of the surface of players for ew to even think its worth doing anything

[tranquil mango]

That's not true. Look at the WT GOs. They were all modeled off of real versions. The GO concept was to bring "a once in a lifetime" experience. Monster trophies that you only heard stories about. Which is everybody's "fantasy" the "never gonna happen" (actual super rare animal) for those who hunt IRL. Not fantasy like a "tiger mule deer hybrid"

Wt were the very 1st version of GOs amd were a smashing hit. Then they started pushing fantasy further and further until creating creatures that aren't actually real. Which is ironic because they're goal is providing a full immersion hunting game.

[tranquil mango]

For everybody who's saying that GOs are supposed to be "fantasy" creatures that don't exist,go to twitch and watch EWs vids when TK,if anybody remembers who he was,and watch the unveiling of the GO concept and you'll see you've proved yourselves wrong. Everything started going off the rails with the GOs when the team started creating crazy fur variations with the moose. I liked the moose antlers even tho they started getting into "unrealistic" versions bit the team started focusing on fur variations. Creating furs is a much easier and faster way to create a GO rather than antlers. Antlers take waaaay more time for the team to develop bit as we've seen they wanted to pump out more GOs at a faster pace.

[zenith rover]

yeah no whitetails are a fluke. yet again g1s are fantasy and EW dont
need to fix them

last time i counted up reactions to this post only about 100 were positive and in agreement with this post too, no one really cares too much.

[clever citrus]

This post doesn’t have nearly enough attention for this to be even considered, and the fact that a lot of players like the Mule deer as they are is also something to think about. Also, EW doesn’t need to add suggested things, it’s their game they can do what they want. Some G1’s are fantasy, sure, but it’s mot that bad. Maybe Gold Tahr is a bit weird but some people like that. This literally will never happen, so just stop moaning and move on. And…

If you don’t like it, don’t grind it.

[zenith rover]

also its a bit silly to say its full immersion hunting and then sit there and grind out G1s. its arcade sim. not realism. play classic for that lil guys.

[tame sigil]

wouldn't necessarily say they're a fluke i think they're more so the initial concept of what GOs were to be but that's obviously changed over time but prowler is right the initial concept of GOs was for them to be a once in a life time trophy instead of fantasy trophies

not complaining too much about it though as long as the GOs are "grounded" in the sense that they're semi realistic but have creative liberty just don't ever want anything like the cherry blossom fox to happen again

i think tahr imo are the prime example of being semi realistic with creative liberty with moose also being a pretty good example

[zenith rover]

cherry blossoms are one of the more grounded ones😭they exist, its called the champagne fox

[tame sigil]

champagne fox exist yes but they aren't vibrantly pink

[zenith rover]

i hope they do it again just for the hell of it now

Pink G1 elk

[clever citrus]

Cherry Blossom foxes aren’t vibrantly pink.

[clever citrus]

I mean the pink Mule deer look great imo, so a pink elk could look good

[solid bear]

I agree, while the moose have less antlers they still look good, and I think the Tahr look great too. But they crossed a line with the mulies. You like fantasy? Fine, I don't care, but at least EW could've given us some more realistic antlers and furs.

[gaunt minnow]

Tbh I love the furs(except the stripes) and racs except that velvet rac i wish they did the mule deer more justice there it does not look good..

It looks way too bubbly and it makes it look infected

[zenith rover]

crossed a line 😭 its a game bro calm down

[solid bear]

they could have made them better, they could have done more, they could have done so much more but they didn't. there are so many big deer that they could have modeled but they didn't, I am displeased because with the last few they had been going more fantasy oriented, but with some realism, but there are almost no realistic ones, or if they are, they look stupid.

ANY of these deer would have been tons better than anything they made.

[solid bear]

do you know how much I hate those antlers?

[halcyon tundra]

💀💀

[solid bear]

that happens when their balls get hit or something like that just so y'know

[zenith rover]

still doesnt require all this effort and moaning for something they wont change, if you hate it that much dont play it. they look perfectly fine and they havent "crossed a line" they've done what they wanted to do with their artistic license

[tame sigil]

I don’t mind them too much anymore except the tiger one i still don’t really like it just doesn’t look good and petal puff looks alright but definitely looks better in the concept art

[solid bear]

I hunt Mule Deer IRL, see big Mule Deer IRL, and would have liked it if they had done better, or something more realistic, if you like it, good for you, and I'm not grinding them, I am making this so they don't ruin the Elk by making it purple or something. I am upset because they could have done better, I am trying to be civil, trust me there are worse words I could say about them.

[zenith rover]

only just over 100 people share your opinion on them, its getting entitled to expect an entire change in the mulie or future G1s for your feelings. again you need new priorities and maybe a hobby

[gaunt minnow]

Thats why you have to have a voice if you dont speak up then they definitely wont change it if they see enough people in the community fighting for something we want or believe in for the game then its more likely

We have been begging for wood ducks and tahr to be on te awaroa and we got that because we made our voices heard

[zenith rover]

but his voice is going unheard and largely unagreed with

[gaunt minnow]

Reactions like this entirely was immature just because some guy dosent agree with you dosent mean its the end of the world some people share different opinions sure we won't change yours but at the same time we still fight for what we may think the game could use everyone has their preferences and views

[zenith rover]

okay but the mule deer isnt the end of the world either but this threads acting like it is. also thumbs down and cross out are valid (im the cross out)

[gaunt minnow]

I mean the middle finger that wasn't warranted(not saying you did it) with this thread we all share varying opinions of how the g1 mule deer or future g1s could be improved

Dont get me wrong EW and their designers did amazing with the racs and furs but some of them aren't exactly the best and can be improved not giving criticism isn't going to get us anywhere and not going to help Expansive worlds to improve

[wide ermine]

I do agree that the Mule deer Great One could have been better. But I'm personally okay with what we got. Woudn't mind it if they did decide to add some more stuff to it later though.

Definitely not my favorite Great One. Far from it. But there are a couple combos out there that I do really like for it.

[gaunt minnow]

Some things could've been better and have areas to improve but the muley could use more racs and variety in that way but I still love most of the muley

[hollow gull]

If I'm honest here if EW did Elk like they did for the Mule Deer GO's I'd be pretty upset as well since I love Elk. Now to be open & clear I'm not a grinder nor do I pursue GO's so why. Its because I look fwd to the reworks in the models, animation, & ai pathing/behavioral changes to the species that follows with ea. G1 release. Excluding the G1's Fur & Racks I'm not really happy with how the base model looks compared to the older model. The neck looks too thick & the face looks swelled up like its a reskin of an African deer. Now as for the positive note. I dont mind the new base racks as they do appear to be thicker and in my honest opinion look more apparent: (no they're not perfect but its an improvement). The animations are better as well from the old ones. So 75% out of 100% isn't bad. But I do agree the body models look off putting in general not just the G1's. I feel this could be fixed with a retexture update along with adding more authentic variants like the World Record references for realistic G1 models with realistic fur. I'm not a fan of Fantasy fur trope G1's. Idrc if the Racks are ("Different") if its grounded with an authentic fur type. In this case G1 Wise the Cinn Stripes is.... disturbing & the racks are too curvy with not enough mass.

Again if in the future we get G1 Elk keep the Species Rack mass, authentic fur types, if you want it to be unique add a different fur shade not color with body blemishes over goofy patterns h**l even brocken tines and scars would make the Fabled look like an aged (mature) vetted animal. But please no more off putting furs please.

[tame sigil]

might also be worth noting that GOs seem to be a pretty big draw to the game with most of the bigger content creators being grinders (people see them getting GOs and want to get them for themselves) and that this update with the GO mule deer has been the worst performing map/GO update since 2022 according to steam charts

this could also be due to other various issues like neglecting bug fixes though

[hollow gull]

I'm not against unique G1's so long as they appear believable & semi authentic. The outlandish furs it what prevents me from any interest to consider pursuing them. I love the Moose, Whitetail, Black Bear, & Red Deer bc they look believable. The Fox I'm 50/50 with. pheasant is way out there. Instead of designing outlandish designs I feel EW is missing out on applying other realistic features to have them standout. G1's to me (that comes to mind) is the king of the forest. A mature aged, vetted male that is a legend. Marvels to behold not what we have currently except the previous G1's I mentioned. As for AR I love the reserve overall except it doesn't have Snow Hare & Canadian Lynx & like most I would've preferred Grizzly over Black Bear. That & the Narrative was horrible compared to previous releases which is a real shame. But I wouldn't call AR a failed release given the features and rework overhaul they did.

But again after viewing Moose, Whitetail, & Red Deer G1 models these dont hold up to the standard. I'm just going to say it but these look rushed & not polished. But I do feel if EW did put in the effort I could see a retexture along with atleast 2-4 authentic looking models in a future update.

[tame sigil]

honestly i wouldn’t count on EW doing anything to already released GOs unless there was a bug with them since they’ve already told us that it would take time away from making new GOs

[hollow gull]

I'd rather they fix bugs, & TLC existing models & gear over a new G1 every year. Besides another bad habit I'd like EW to address with new releases is add more new species over repeating several species. Dont get me wrong I love Black Bear & Deer but theirs way too many reserves that have overkilled species. Moose, Red Deer, Black Bear, Mallard, Pheasant, Red Fox to name a few.

[tame sigil]

definitely with you on the bug fixes but i think a new GO is needed at least once a year

[hollow gull]

I mean looking at the overview of AR with alot of features added along with the reworks and new species even though technically are reskins except the Beaver I still feel they took on more than they could deliver to push the G1 Mule Deer and unfortunately to me it shows which is why I think eventually they could get touched up. But while we're on the Topic if EW is going to Release a new G1 every year I think its best to do so on the 2nd release not on the 1st. I mean think about it 3 G1's in what the last 6mo or so?! Dont get me wrong I'm having a blast hunting the Red Fox with the rework but pheasant & mule deer in less than a full year is a big push given older models also were touched up.

[tame sigil]

think the only reason we got 2 GOs with salz was because they were 2 small game non antlered species and too maybe make up for it being a smaller map

gives it that little extra bit of attraction not to mention them being the best maps to grind those GOs on

[hollow gull]

Even so comparing the old to new models side by side still took work to do not to mention the color zone shading. Personally I like the SP concept but I felt it was poorly executed in general. But I'll give EW slack on it since it was more or less a test & a dev project. It lacks Ecology, it's a Waterfowl heavy reserve which was poor taste when they bundled it with an upland bird dog, & what really threw me off was the Community weapon pack couldn't be used (ethically) on it as a C:1-2 only reserve. EW has never released a weapon Pack that couldn't be used on any reserve & this was a 1st. Imho if SP was a C:1-4 or C:1-5 reserve it would've been 1. More natural ecology wise & 2. Would allow use for the new pack. Thats why I was furious the •Reaper (7.62x39 was 2-6) & the •Fors Elite (7.62x35 was 3-6)?! An oversight I'm pretty sure EW didn't consider at the time that I had hoped would've been changed by now just as the Gandhare was reclassed or at the least 2-5 or 2-6. & We wont talk about the 30-30 Outrider thats awhole other can of worms 😅

[tame sigil]

yeah i feel like salz was largely rushed so they didn't go back to back years without another map

[dull junco]

Somehow that’s one of the more realistic racks…stuff like that can actually happen irl. Still, I share your opinion on that rack, it’s pretty mid.

[dull junco]

If 2 maps a year means we get 1 large reserve and 1 small I’ll take it. Askiy was great, albeit with a lot of returning species, but if we could get a Salzweisen map in the US with all (or at least most) of the upland birds we’re missing I’ll be elated. Perhaps Idaho or Arizona?

[hollow gull]

Again I'll give merit where its due for the concept ofc but I hope they take their time designing the next one. Seems to be a trend lately with things getting rushed bc I was worried about how AR would turn out after The Winter Update. 75% was up to par but they still fell short by my review unfortunately.

[tame sigil]

yeah i'm totally fine with something like that as well tbh especially if we got something like ruffed grouse added

[dull junco]

Ruffed Grouse, Sage Grouse, Sharp-Tailed Grouse, White-Tailed Ptarmigan, Mountain Quail, and Chukar are all musts imo. Honestly if we can get the whole of the Idaho Nine in game I’ll be thrilled.

[hollow gull]

I had a C:1-3 version of my Wyoming Concept b4 I released the C:1-8 Ver. 2.0 Concept with Missing US Species but I 100% agree with you that I'd appreciate a US Upland Bird reserve that gives us most of them unless EW does a gated Bird reserve at that point they could just add our missing birds and maybe cranes.

[tame sigil]

yeah game is really lacking with north american upland bird species

[dull junco]

Fr we only have 5 (including all Turkey Subspecies), and we could easily have 15 more.

[tame sigil]

i'd be happy just to even see them get added to existing maps

should have at least gotten ruffed grouse instead of pheasant on askiy

on the topic of species that should have been on askiy they could have added grizzly and harlequin duck too which would of given us a full list of remodeled species on yukon

[hollow gull]

I'll raise my glass to that. Were defn. Missing Grouse, Quail, Furbearers, & some Varmints. Waterfowl wise I'm beyond shocked we dont have sandhill cranes.

[hollow gull]

I would've preferred Grizz over Black Bear but the 2 species I had my fingers crossed was canadian lynx and snow hare. Wolverines was a long shot but it was worth hoping for.

[severe falcon]

I would prefer realistic looking Great Ones, but I have to admit, some of the fantasy ones are okay.

[tame sigil]

yeah i'm honestly surprised we didn't get both of them but i'm fine with no lynx since wolves already spook enough things

[hollow gull]

Funny you say that bc I've barely seen any after the update.

[severe falcon]

It's my favorite reserve by far.

[hollow gull]

AR is #3 at the moment bc it did fall short from what I was hoping for. But I do enjoy it way more than Sundarpatan & Salzweisen Park. The Narrative wasn't great, the 30-30 for obvious reasons, & EW missed the oppertunity to add Canadian Lynx & Snow Hares. Ofc as mentioned before by myself & others Grizzlies would have been great here as well. But in all respect the rest of AR's content (minus mule deer) has been wonderful. Though Medved is still my #1 & New England is my #2. Both have great Narratives, layout, & ecology although Medved could use a few more animals imho, an with the wolf rework I've been enjoying it more.

[tranquil mango]

It's not about how many vote or like the posts. The feedback forum is for us players to express our feelings. It's for players to express how they feel,the team to see the feedback so they can understand how players feel so they can improve things moving forward. You saying over and over about the numbers....meh. we don't care. We're just voicing our opinions. So just let it be.

[solid bear]

Yeah it's MY suggestion, people can like and dislike it

[gaunt minnow]

At the end of the day it is a SUGGESTION not something SHOULD 100% happen people can agree and disagree the entire point of threads is to discuss new content or updates for the game that EW can implement we are giving them the tools to see what the community wants so they can build upon that

[solid bear]

Exactly, whether it's a map, a remodel, new animals, etc, we have the right to give a suggestion because they have a suggestion area for us! Will this ever be implemented? I highly doubt it, but I hope EW takes note for future Great Ones

[zenith rover]

"they crossed a line" sounds more like throwing the toys out the pram but okay buddy

[dull junco]

Exactly. Personally, I disagree that the Mulie G1s need fixed, but I’m also not going to just immediately tell someone that their opinion isn’t valid simply because it’s not the same as mine. Plus, this thread has kinda changed my perspective and I think I’d much rather like to see at least some sorta realistic furs on the next G1 (which the Mulie has 2, being the Dripple Drizzle and the Dusky Drift, although the Petal Puff could be some sort of Erythrism). Still, a healthy mix of fantasy and realistic furs and racks would be more ideal to hopefully stop some of the fallout that happened due to the mule deer. Maybe have 4 realistic furs and 4 fantasy furs, with 3 “fantasy” (not based on real life examples) racks and 3 realistic (based on real life examples) racks.

[hollow gull]

A 50/50 mix is fair imho. My fear is if we got Elk G1's they wouldn't look like Elk but something more from a fantasy trope title & it would break my heart. But overall, I like G1 releases bc the species gets a reasonable overhaul model & behavior/animation wise. Though mule deer wise unless EW releases more realistic G1 models I dont have an interest as a Sim Player. But on the other hand, the base models look better that actually appear to have fur, even though 3D Model wise I was fine with the original model that to me just needed textures. I was expecting EW to add fur texture, antler mass, & a bit more muscle tone to the older model. It just throws me off with the really fat neck & face. A swelled neck represents the rut I get that but its alittle too large to me, but it's not entirely an immersion killer. To be fair though a large number of the community wanted Mule Deer G1's as they should but these G1 models to me looked rushed when compared to other G1's but it might just be me.

[dull junco]

I want them to do justice to the elk antler wise, especially since there’s plenty of G1 worthy elk racks out there (take the Spider Bull for example). Fur wise I think a split is a lot more important to keep the community happy. Have mostly realistic ones and maybe 2 or 3 fantasy looking ones (like a pinkish color to represent Erythrism or something).

[hollow gull]

I'd be all over Elk if they do it right. As of now I only really care to get a Moose, Whitetail, Black Bear, & a Fox or 2 for my lodge. I get that the Moose were exaggerated b4 ppl hound me about it but the models look believable over the obvious like a tiger stripe mule deer no offense to those who like it but the trophies for my Trophy Lodges represent my dream home & travels that are authentic. I've passed up a few G1's to other ppl bc I really dont want a fantasy fur trophy in my lodge.

However, as a compromise for me would be if EW adds European Skull Mounts so I dont have to see the weird fur I'd be more inclined. If I'm being honest I'm shocked that after 8yrs this still isn't a mount option. But related to the OP's pov to a certain degree I did have an expectation to see some World Record Racks represented in the roster.

[tranquil mango]

100% Lots of us here were so heart broken with the mulies. Waited so long for them to get their chance to shine. Once I heard the Mulie GO was comming was to make getting them my mission in this game. Was so frustrated and disappointed and still can't bring myself to invest that kind of time to chase them only to get one that I couldn't bring myself to display in my lodge like my WT GOs that are the main feature to me in my lodge. Totally agree the focus should be on antlers and making the antlers the "star feature" of an antlered GO. Elk could be an unbelievable GO if done right. Mules could've been as well.

[hollow gull]

Now I wont be unreasonable & expect EW to redo the Mule Deer G1's but I do hope in the future we get a few more authentic/more believable models with racks we recognize that draws ppl to mule deer in the 1st place. In relation since ppl are making a riot about this, I hope its enough noise & gives EW a more reasonable cause that once Elk get the spotlight our worries wont come to pass. I have no issue if we get half fantasy & half authentic/ believable models and racks to calm the masses since both sides get something. But I firmly believe we need a "European Skull Mount" option as a neutral solution as well. Thats my opinion & I hope the community can agree with me on this to convince the Dev's to apply it in hopes they'll answer our plea & request to avoid future qualms.

[tranquil mango]

I like the euro mount idea. Create a chat about it. I'll ote for that!

[hollow gull]

One exists already but I think its buried in the posted threads however I believe I have the post links.

@tranquil mango • https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1185592971740061908 • https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1397041601250983936

[quartz trench]

I stopped playing the game. The muley GO killed all joy for me for some reason. Really sad, this was tied for my favorite game but I waited for a mule deer rework and GO for years only to get let down beyond belief.

[solid bear]

Me too, even though the sheep, the elk, and a bunch of other things are amazing, the one thing I cared about most was ruined, or made so incorrectly that it killed my entertainment. If they had made better descisions or better models or furs I would have not stopped until I got one.

[quartz trench]

Yeah it’s crazy, I even got some of my friends into the game and quit playing other comp fps for this update hoping to grind during the summer. Waited every day for Alberta. I have not touched the game since the update released. Obviously it doesn’t matter to anyone what I do but I’m just sharing how it’s still frustrating. Really sad, as a west coast native seeing my favorite deer get absolutely cooked when all the other animals got amazing updates. It’s all good tho hopefully ultimate hunting has good Muleys maybe that will bring me back to the genre

[solid bear]

Yeah I got into Skyrim, they weren't thinking about the people who see Muleys all the time, they've taken it too far with the furs and antlers.

[quartz trench]

haha nice dude. Yeah I don’t know why this bothers me so much but it does. It’s funny it’s like the one flagship species that looks worse in game than irl. The real ones are so goated it’s crazy.

[waxen bluff]

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[quartz trench]

Ah, but the face is what’s most cooked imo 😭 looks alien. But that’s nice that they did that .

[mellow plaza]

I was hoping for a little love for the Iberian Wolf, those pups could use some.

[ornate berry]

So there’s even more racks now👀

[sly citrus]

Yes, I do hope for you guys that also includes more antler varaints for the g1.

I doubt but same time If there was ever a time to do it after backlash and general disapointment it would be now.

And I bet a lot of people would take that over a mini release like the pheasant/fox last year.

[tranquil mango]

That would be sweet. But guessing not. Seems to take them a very long time to create GO antlers. The worst part was turning a mule deer into a tiger hybrid. They're not gonna fix or add more mulie GOs. Just my opinion.

[tranquil mango]

Hahaa it's like a chipmunk hybrid 😂 Like it's cheeks are so stuffed with nuts. But I agree it's very weird.

[tranquil mango]

Totally agree. Although the top reason I used to be obsessed with this game is WT. They did them right. Second most obsessed animal is Mulies. And the GOs got flushed down the drain. Can't stomach the thought of spending hundreds of hours grinding for one only to get one and hate it. But yes UH mules look amazing. WOTH Mules are really good too if you haven't played that game. It is next gen graphics but still the models look beautiful.