The Laperriere .30-30 is... a disappointment.

[swift atlas]

Many people in this server use .30-30 in real life. Some have taken even elk and moose with it. Yet with the new .30-30 coming in this update, nothing has changed with it. The .30-30 in game has been class 2-6 and has had a short zeroing range forever.

With this new gun, you'd think they would fix it up to be what it truly should be, right? Nope.

What EW SHOULD do is
•Change it to class 3-7(maybe even keep the 2-6 as a different ammo)
•Change the max zeroing to 250m.
•Let it hold more rounds. The gun that it is based off IRL holds more than 4.
•Buff it. .30-30 is depressingly weak compared to what it is IRL.

Please EW, Fix the .30-30!

Be sure to check out @trim moss's threads about the .30-30 too!

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1376944077093994566

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1378074459386413066

[trim moss]

First it was class 4-8 rifles now class 2-6, the devs pick one class range and overfill it with way too similar weapons one dlc after another. If they never do anything different it's hard to want to support the game at all

[swift atlas]

I'm like 99% sure it's kept 2-6 solely because beavers are class 2

[trim moss]

It's kept 2-6 because they put so much work into the beaver animations that all they did for the rifle was re-skin the Whitlock

What's the point if it's no different? I'll just use the Moradi and not even buy the map

[versed owl]

They could keep it 2-6 ... all they had to do was add a fricken round that would be 3-8 ....

[swift atlas]

100%. Let it be like the hudzik and have one round 2-6 and the other 3-7/8

[stiff trellis]

That's literally all we're asking for. I have no issues with 2-6 ammo, just give us a heavier option for class 7 and even 8.

[tame hemlock]

I need to make a new thread about how silly the weapon classes, stats, and performance is. I'm still going to get the map because I want it but the marlin might not be in my inventory asides from test reasons just to see if they actually made it more powerful without telling anyone, it has happened before. But seriously, does anyone know for sure what the ammo stats mean? It used to make sense but now it contradicts itself a lot.

[cerulean hearth]

As much as I hate how the 30-30 covers class 2, I’m willing to take what I can get as long as it brings the 30-30 we always should’ve had.

[tame hemlock]

It more than likely doesn't. Theres a slim chance it'll be more powerful and they never said anything but its a very slim chance, it did happen once before a long time ago.

[cerulean hearth]

This. 100% but… I was referring to the proposal of two separate ammo types #1381735649270563016 message.

[tame hemlock]

That too may be a future possibility if we complain about it enough, doubt they'd listen but it's worth a shot. They could call the current ammo managed recoil and a possible future higher powered ammo as simply full power ammo since there are some reduced .30-30 loads on the market (for some stupid reason).

[trim moss]

All they've done with this reserve is reskins and one actually new animal that could have easily fit 3 or 4 older reserves.

[tame hemlock]

Right, and does anyone really care about the bird hunting in this game given how bad it is?

[trim moss]

I've bought this game and 46 dlcs on two different systems, but everything since Emerald Coast came out has been one huge letdown after another. I'm not buying anything else, it's just getting more and more disappointing

[vernal terrace]

I can't believe of all things they aren't changing, the 30-30 is somehow still one of them. They're adding multiple things the community has requested, like snow on animals, but not a better 30-30. As of now it's just a worse .243

[umbral plank]

😪 ........EW I'm greatly disappointed. Make it a "(2-6/3-7)" just like how the "Hudzik is (3-7/4-8)" & I'll overlook the false advertising from the screenshot & getting our hopes up for new 3-7 ammo to go with the new model. It hurts EW it really does esp. when you advertised a new Elk Species that is C:7. Its disappointing to see you deliberately steer away from your MO making reserve reward models suitable for the game in it. I pray you reclass it as you did for the Gandhare that was a 4-8 & reclassed to 4-9. At the very least if the 30-30 ammo cant be 2-6/3-7 than make the ammo 2-7 since you chose to reuse the base game ammo over making the Laperriere unique aside from making it accessible to utilize the base game & Dlc scopes. I love the reserve even though you missed the opportunity to add Grizzlies, Canadian Lynx, Snow Hare, & Wolverines. But please fix the 30-30 esp. on a reserve with Elk & Black Bear.

[umbral plank]

I do hunt upland birds & turkey alot in-game/irl however quail is still an issue & I could care less about pheasant. Their adding them everywhere bc of the G1 but as mentioned in another thread it is the 1st & currently the only reserve to hunt them in a snow/winter reserve. Personally, Idrc bc it's a pheasant over another grouse or snow hare.

[formal cove]

Gandhare rifle had high power right from the start. Only shift from 8 to 9. 30-30 needs a new bullet. Maybe it's more complicated.

[trim moss]

If all they were gonna do is reskin the Whitlock they should have e modeled a Mossberg 464. Then they could have saved the Marlin 336 model for a caliber that they'd actually put some work into! Like a .35 Remington or a .356

[steel gyro]

I enjoy hunting upland birds that DOESENT need to be shot out of the air.

[bitter garden]

I would trade all the Ring-necked Pheasant for 20-25 Grizzlies and 10-15 mountain lions and/or wolverines in a second.

[umbral plank]

It'll likely be the same scenario as the 45-70 where the rifle pistol does more than the rifle despite using the same ammo. It doesn't make sense. Even so they shouldn't have presented the screenshot with the new ammo if all they were going to do is reuse the base game 2-6 ammo! I was truly hoping EW was going to modernize the game but it has 2yrs before new gen titles surpass CotW with weapon builders & proper ammo application options so I'm not going to get upset about it anymore then I have. They deviated from their claim of authenticity once G1's released & dlc weapons became meta rendering the games progress mechanics pointless when they give them to you for free w/o earning them through the mastery & taking away another currency use just as you would with the base game content. Again, I'm glad to see some community thread requests answered but the 30-30 rework should've been considered esp. after Nepal & SP. The Gandhare was reclassed from 4-8 to 4-9, the O/U 10ga birdshot was reclassed from 1 to 1-2 <-- again reserve reward weapons. They robbed us the ability to use the new weapon on Elk & Blk Bear "(C:7)" at the very least I'm expecting the new 30-30 to outperform the base game model and 30-30 gets reclassed to 2-7 to make up for this huge upset. It should've been a unique model with 2: 3-7 ammo options exclusive to that model or Tier 1 ammo: (2-6) & Tier 2 ammo: (3-7). Either way EW missed the mark in a very bad way. The only other recovery is if we recieve a new gear pack that extends caliber ammo options. I hope for CotW's sake they do.

[tame hemlock]

I played around with the rifle and pistol 45-70 the difference is there but not much. Who knows what this is going to be like, it's possible it can get changed but it's a slim chance.

[umbral plank]

I'm going to keep making noise with my ammo thread along with this & the Fors Elite. They might change it if not we'll have UH once they release it. Again I enjoy CotW but its getting to the point that Reserves & Animals are getting all the reworks and features while our gear is ignored that makes up a 1/3 of the game. Credit is due for the attempt with new scopes but there use is limited to certain weapons. I was super excited to get a new shotgun scope & alas I cant use it on the lever 10ga 😪 I love that shotgun but its too flat & you cant really see the bead. It wouldve been my choice for slug hunting but EW failed me. Also it seriously annoys me I cant use the Raptor on the inline 50cal blackpowder.

[umbral plank]

The key feature EW does best is adding an arsenal to choose from that other titles lack. The reserves have been getting better and our game have been getting touched up gradually, however....calibers are arcade locked, populations are way too high, & theirs no balance or difficulty to speak of. G1's were intended to be wonders till a loophole was discovered to force them to appear. Its a hunting game not an rpg & it makes no sense to me for a primarily solo title to have so many restrictions choking players from more utility. Every caliber should have various ammo options for various game applications, and same can be said for our gear & weapons such as decoys, scents, baiting/feeders, a weapon builder, not to mention attire. EW didn't expect CotW to blow up like it did which is great to continue the franchise. But its not better than TH: Classic that's been up for 12-15yrs "don't quote me 😅" bc it follows authenticity; only issue its PC Only. After the 6yr mark EW shouldve been working on a 3rd franchise title with new and updated features. Its bad enough they abandoned TheAngler when it was a great free roam fishing game & in my personal opinion the best on console minus no fly fishing 😮‍💨. If EW is going to put all their eggs in one basket they need to update CotW with new features or be forced to develop a new title. At this rate new gen titles will surpass CotW by leaps & bounds if nothing changes.

[tame hemlock]

I suppose there is hope for a change with the .30-30 being made more powerful. I did not at all realize this but at some point (I can't find it in any patch notes) the .30-06 was made more powerful and I do not know when it was. Last I remembered the .30-06 had 40 pen and 12 expansion, equal to the 7 mag. Now it has 45 pen and 13 expansion, which opens up a rabbit hole unto itself I shall cover in one of my own threads. So, @trim moss there still may be some hope.

[trim moss]

It's possible, but I'm not sure I'll hold my breath for this

[stiff trellis]

I think they did mention recoil was less and accuracy was greater, but not sure if there is any change at all to the bullet effectiveness.

[swift atlas]

Just gotta wait till they release patch notes i guess

[tame hemlock]

I can't find the .30-06 in the patch notes anywhere from march of 2024 to today so unless it was a long time ago and I didn't notice it, they never mentioned it.

[stiff trellis]

I'm really interested to see what's all in the patch notes. See if we get any backfills, other remodels, and, if the elk is the GO, will all elk subspecies be eligible, etc.

[indigo charm]

i really wish it was a marlin 1895 dark series insted

[cerulean hearth]

I can’t stand the look of the dark series tbh. It looks so fugly.

[tame hemlock]

Thou shalt not taint thy lever gun with tacticool stocks

[trim moss]

Consider Case Hardened with American walnut stock

[austere wraith]

oooooooooo

[candid monolith]

This is from September 2021
The .30-06 still had the older stats then

[tame hemlock]

That was after they changed the store icon too from the original. I can't find in the patch notes for the update with the ak 30-06 so I seriously have no idea when this happened.

[umbral plank]

it could've been when we received the M1 or the clone from the most recent weapon pk release. But it is true that the stats may change but I'm still disappointed in EW.

Between the 2 10ga we have the brass & plastic shells & I expected the new model to be the same concept from a late 1800's model with cowboy ammo vs a Modern model with todays ammo. Again, it would further justify it as a reserve exclusive esp. given the game lineup is comprised of 2-9 or 3-9 game. It would be perfect with 2-6 & 3-7 ammo or both ammo options as a straight 2-7. It really doesn't make sense to me to go through all the trouble to draw up a show piece with modern ammo just to release it as a reskin that's scope compatible when the Gandhare was reclassed to be justified for Tigers (9) & the 10ga birdshot reclassed to 1-2 to justify its use on a C:1-2 only reserve. I can live without Snow Hares, Canadian Lynx, Grizzly, & Wolverines being here even though they should be over Pheasant, Geese, Mallards, & Black Bears. But the Laperriere is something that shouldn't be ignored as its a key selling point minus the beavers, & reworks. As Huxley mentioned AR shouldn't be a reskin release. I'm still going to buy it bc of the Elk & wolves an its the 2nd All Snow Reserve in 7yrs. But the new 30-30 would've been a strong factor if they followed through. It just dumb founds me they would waste resources and time on a new model & not go all the way with its design but instead cut corners as a reskin with access to the scope pk. Its not enough to get my interest. I said it before with SP; EW is in a slump & ignoring our requests with our gear specifically isn't doing them any favors when our gear is literally 1/3 of gameplay!

[umbral plank]

Again, EW doesn't have to touch the Whitlock being a base game (old code) when the Laperriere was made from scratch no different from new calibers in a weapon pack so again this makes no sense. To add salt to the wound its a reserve exclusive that should be unique to match with new species in the reserve itself. 😮‍💨 EW I'm urging for a big fix on this bc now I'm hesitant to even buy the reserve to support it. And its killing me bc the reserve itself has so much into it but I cant overlook the mistake made with the reserve exclusive & your actions related without a stream explaining why. Please bring bk our beard brother or someone to follow up on this. We deserve to know, bc we aren't blind that EW needs to make $$$ but we shouldn't be getting teased or given false hope either w/o an explanation.

[versed owl]

We certainly miss our bearded brother @proper crystal .... Doesn't seem like we have an advocate anymore ☹️ ....

[verbal whale]

With all due respect, I don’t believe most players (speaking very broadly, not just those active on Discord) choose to buy a new reserve DLC solely because it includes a new single weapon. While a few might, the majority are primarily interested in the reserve itself and the new animals it offers. For example, did many people really purchase SRP just for the Alexander longbow? Maybe a handful, but definitely not most.

I understand your perspective (and those of others here), but most players simply pick a few weapons that suit their preferred target Classes and focus on hunting rather than analyzing every weapon’s stats in detail. If one weapon isn’t so good, there are plenty of alternatives. Since this game was never meant to be a ballistics simulator like Tarkov, this approach seems reasonable.

By all means, keep advocating for what you want, but I would suggest what you want with regard to the weapons is not a massive priority on the part of the majority players, whereas new reserves and animal species are.

[trim moss]

Except this map includes 16 animals that exist on other maps and a rifle that's more of an insult than anything.

It's a new model and uses regular scopes, but it's the same caliber and stats as a rifle in the base game that no one uses because it works so poorly.

Like they acknowledged the players wanted it changed and reskinned it without fixing any of the problems and went a step further by showing a new ammo design that means absolutely nothing

[bitter garden]

“Since this game was never meant to be a ballistics simulator like Tarkov, this approach seems reasonable.

By all means, keep advocating for what you want, but I would suggest what you want with regard to the weapons is not a massive priority on the part of the majority players, whereas new reserves and animal species are.”

With all due respect, I’ve heard this song before.

This year, I’ve convinced three of my adult coworkers to try out this game.

I didn’t tell them much about the game other than it was a hunting game, but that there was lots of maps for DLC that they can try on multiplayer to see if they would like to try different reserves around the globe.

They all had fun, of course, BUT ALL three express frustrations with different base weapons. [ First impressions matter. ]

I’ve tried explaining to them that they can purchase weapon DLC‘s to remedy this.

Two said they might think about it (PS5 & PC) and one said that if so many of the base weapons were unpolished, why bother -(Xbox.)

The two that said they would think about it are both IRL hunters and the third plays with a content creator friend that often bounces from game to game for fun while live.

This thread doesn’t at all seem to me like it’s nitpicking and efforts to become a ballistic simulator, instead, it seems more akin to trying to bring justice to a weapon or caliber that has been done dirty by interpretation.

Something to note: As this is a hunting game, if you’re actually hunting. - Your following tracks, listening to calls, spotting game, and harvesting game - Approximately 1/4-1/2 of your interaction with the animals may utilize a weapon.

If you’re grinding, then the performance of your weapon is magnified.

Downplaying the importance or role of weapons (particularly base weapons/calibers) doesn’t really seem to hold water, does it.

[swift atlas]

Better than i could word it. Thank you

[tame hemlock]

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1381326485154959483 What your friends thought about the base game weapons is exactly why I made this post. The old guns feel wrong compared to the new ones.

[bitter garden]

Yep, I signed that puppy in support of love for the base weapons. 🫡

[trim moss]

I saw Flinter's video, he didn't use the .30-30 for anything but beavers. That days more than enough for me to know they didn't change anything at all. It's such a waste and there's no reason at all to leave it a 2-6.

[austere wraith]

it's so dumb to have it be 2-6; also why are beavers class 2 when theyre the same weight ranges as javelina

[trim moss]

So much dlc too, and we still have one rifle in the 3-7 class

Did this with the base .30-30 Whitlock a few days ago

This is from Flinter's video today, he didn't show the x-ray of it but apparently it's not too different. In fact, it might be a little worse because his wolf was so much closer

[versed owl]

Okay so I had to wait till early access to verify this but they did add a new outfit which was advertised in the same picture as the outrider .30-30 ....

In that same picture they clearly are showing different ammo loads as well ...

If that picture was meant to show off the outfit and the .30-30 ... Why should we not assume that a new round was added as well ????

I cant look at this any other way than just deliberate deception .... They knew what we were looking for and deliberately strung us along .... I'm so disappointed with how they handled this ....

[formal cove]

Maybe devs didn't think about it. Chat gpt give me a picture...... 😎

[versed owl]

Are you suggesting they used chat gpt to generate a picture that advertises features of their new release?

And even if parts of the picture were created by AI ... They obviously photo shopped in the new .30-30 and outfit ... So why not remove the ammo??? Are they really that clueless or careless ?

deliberate or not they need to fix it ... It's on them ....

[formal cove]

Sometimes we want to see clues where they are not. Maybe artist didn't think about clues. Only about a good picture.

[versed owl]

@formal cove If your purposefully using the picture to advertise then everything in the picture matters ...... It's just careless neglect or deliberate ....

If you want to say it was a mistake that doesn't change the mistake ... They need to own up to it and fix it ....

The knife, the boat and the snowshoes don't matter because those are things that aren't already in the game ... The ammo rounds are a very necessary part of the game ...

But maybe thats the root of the problem ... EW obviously doesn't see ammo as a necessary part of the game ....

[formal cove]

It's double disappointing. Because with the new map we usually got a new ammo (rifle). And yes. After years of playing I see the same thing.... EW obviously doesn't see ammo as a necessary part of the game.

[trim moss]

"We know you've been asking us to buff the .30-30 for years, so we made a new model and new ammo models too. They don't affect anything but you get new pictures, pay us now"

Developer mentality

[umbral plank]

@versed owl I'm not ruling out the possibility of a new gear pack expanding ammo. Its a longshot by far but EW has kicked out alot of requests even though the winter update was a bust it still introduced thread content. Now I'll be very clear as I said b4 Reserve exclusives have always been adjusted or directed towards the game in that reserve. I see no reason why the new 30-30 shouldn't be after Nepal (Gandhare reclass 4-8 to 4-9) & SP (10ga birdshot reclass 1 to 1-2)! Both were adjusted to be justified. I have no issue if EW follows the Hudzik (3-7/4-8) example as a (2-6/3-7) as a combo between the old & new given it represents a modern model where the whitlock is like a late 1800's representation. This could be justified given existing releases. If thats too much than EW simply adds the same ammo art as the presentation we were shown and reclasses it as 2-7 with a single ammo option just like the Solokhin (Mosin 7.62x54R). 1 or the other will work. The main reason why I'm fighting this is bc I hunt both Bear & Elk in-game & irl an the 30-30 is more than able. I had alot of high hopes the new model was also getting an exclusive ammo option to do just that esp. as a reserve exclusive. I'm in no way asking for it to be buffed to be OP & Meta like the 44 or 375 ntm the arrows/bolts except the 1-2 blue arrows/bolts; they dont drop Jackels as I recently figured out 😮‍💨

[versed owl]

I wold be happy to see them finally commit to fixing the weapons issues .... But that''s my problem ... If they plan on doing it in the future then just say so ... Just be open and communicate with us ....

It could be something simple like yes we understand and we have plans to fix it ... They don't have to give away dates at this point although there should be a road map or long term plan of some sort ... And at some point we will be asking when ???

But to keep us believing that they are ignoring the problem which does seem obvious at this point ..... They are just pouring salt in an already very open and sore wound ....

That's also my feeling toward buying this DLC ... It's not an issue of price .... It's based on principle ... A very key part of this DLC is broken .....

[umbral plank]

I agree with ya there. The lack of communication after Jaxy left I think has had a big impact on the community in general. Sure, not everyone liked him, but we had some kind of communication at the very least. He would explain why something was changed or if somethings in the works.

[versed owl]

Yes a simple statement like we hear you and we ask that you be patient a little longer ..... That's all it would take .... That's how Jaxy would handle these things ....

[umbral plank]

Defn. or if he has the answer on hand he would further explain how or why. I had the thought if he was still with us he would be excited to share the image & may or may not spill details about it also would offer to talk to the team for us. He did alot & he was open...bias here n there but h**l we all are from time to time 😅. But bc we did see the ammo I'm going to guess it could get added as part of a future gear pack 🤞 it applies to all the calibers. It'd be a big leap fwd if every caliber received a green tip ammo option to further extend to other classes. Its a longshot butt I'm hopeful that EW will fix it. I'm still goingg to buy the Dlc with that in mind but I'm mostly buying it bc its Medved with Western Game. It surpasses SRP & adds a 2nd all Snow Reserve in 7yrs

[versed owl]

I feel like most of the updated models will eventually show up on SRP Mule deer, Big Horn, Mnt Goats and Bison .... The only thing unique that AR had going for it are beavers , snow and the .30-30 .... Now it's just beavers and snow ....

But even still I would have bought it day one without question .... Now I'm just indifferent about it ... I'll wait until they decide to communicate a little better ....

[umbral plank]

I do agree SRP game will get touched at some point but the reserve layout is my issue along with the population layout/placement. EW needs to be better distributing species on reserves to make it feel more natural over artificial esp. with predators. Again I get its a game but purposely overpopulating reserves is an immersion killer for me. Now I can justify heavy populations and spawn rates for specific species for each reserve & lesser populations of others. This further adds diversity between each reserve if the populations of each species varied let alone have exclusive pathing throughout the different units or zoned territories that each reserve is divided into. This would also reduce waterfowl showing up in areas without water as a simple fix. Its a minor detail but 1 that should be easily applied to make each location more unique even with repeated species. But out of the large game I mainly pursue Elk & Caribou in-game & I truly got excited to see a new 30-30 with modern ammo & thought finally we get a reworked model that can take Black Bear & Elk just to see its still using the base game 2-6 was a disappointment & yet again lacks progress. Now I'll be honest here after 8yrs I had hoped EW would gradually work on our gear & weapons as a means of progress. They have already proven they can release outstanding reserve layouts & effects along with our game animals but the only improvements to our gear was the E-caller & Scope pack. Credit where its due I loved them but our weapons is quite literally a 1/3rd of gameplay where our locations & game animals make up 2/3rds of gameplay. As a means of moving fwd to progress CotW I want to see more attention to our gear along with the Reserves & Game. An ammo expansion would be huge to start with further expanding caliber applications and this could further be applied to the games lore since our weapons are modeled off the real deal but named something else.

[umbral plank]

Furthermore, there's models of various ammo box art in-game so it would make sense as an in-game branding. 2nd thing that would be real big would-be a weapon builder or at the very least a weapon slot expansion. As of now the only slots is ammo & sights. I'd love to see EW follow UH's example with Barrels, Muzzle, Stocks (over listing 3 variants in the store) as an added note in the cosmetic UI I'd like to see a slot to apply a weapons condition New, Used, Old in a similar fashion as they did with the Solokhin & M1. These are the changes I wish to see more of. None of it is game breaking either it just further extends utility & the way players can play the game to further enhance their playstyle. Now if EW did add these features in a gear expansion I truly pray that you dont get them for free. We seriously need more in-game credit use over what we have currently. Lets be honest given how freely you can walk & shoot anything its not hard to stack up funds esp. if you play the story quests & challenges bk to bk. Grinders we wont bring up bc we already now about that from content creators & live streams. As a sim/casual player though its suttle does matter to the immersion esp. since progression mechanics were became outdated & void by Dlc releases.

[foggy owl]

The new birds are also nice if you like hunting birds

[umbral plank]

Thats another thing with AR I liked to see was a US Grouse. EW has had a pretty heavy focus on waterfowl & I'd prefer to see more US Upland Birds over more EU Upland birds. Waterfowl wise I only want Cranes & maybe Snipes otherwise I dont have any interest. Now if EW added better multi-mounts and better/more terrain bases in our lodges I'd be alittle more inclined to hunt waterfowl for the displays but.....they have yet to do anything to our lodges with additional customizing features. The fixed plaques & bases is a serious immersion killer esp. with the African lodge that for whatever reason has a stupid amount of pistol racks or rather weapon racks in general 😮‍💨

[umbral plank]

In all honesty a quick adaption feature would solve this issue. For example the lodge is barren except for the furniture. You as a player should be able to go to any wall or floor and the UI automatically fits the size plaque or stand for your mounts. At that point a player could place it anywhere in the open space. No more fixed preset displays. It should be easy to apply if we receive a lodge without preset sized plaques & stands. The only additional feature I'd like to be added to the lodge build option is a selection option for weapon racks and terrain bases. The pose options aren't bad for the most part but a selection of various mounts like the pedestal mount, skull mounts, fur rug/wall mounts would be great to see as well. As I mentioned before above it would be another good example to add to the lore by adding new characters like Mat-Mat that contribute to the new features.

EW has been getting less & less immersive in their content & narratives that drew me to the game in the 1st place, aside from the arsenal of weapons to choose from that unfortunately have been getting worse instead of getting better lately. After G1's were introduced that became the focus when the loophole was introduced to force them to spawn eventually. To remedy that I wish the feed, drink, & rest zones were random over fixed/set intervals. This keeps the players guessing & on their toes over predictability. The algorithm shouldn't be predictable within reason. If we're going to be culling game at the very least apply it to the narrative & side quests that they are over populated. I remember Medved had this scenario where pig populations were too high in a specific unit. My point here is make it more engaging & keep applying authentic scenarios as well as issues that relate to IRL problems, mysteries, and field work. Rev & SP were different & were presented more like tours than hunts & I would prefer you were requested to assist in wildlife affairs.

[foggy owl]

the room on the right before the big one is absolutely disgusting. Like how many guns do i need to display.

[umbral plank]

see I love the armory room my only issue with it is they have way too many pistol slots. If I could display more rifles & shotguns it would be amazing. I use many calibers and gauges to switch things up but I do have my fav. bc I use them IRL over how their betrayed in-game.

[candid monolith]

Ja after the addition of great ones the game turned into a cull simulator. Might as well commit to the name change and call the game 'The Culler' or something

[umbral plank]

I dont have an issue culling Game if its applied to the reserves story & scenario. Game populations as a whole shouldn't be the same on every reserve they all should be different. Predators are the only exception that should be way less unless its another scenario like Parque Fernando that clearly states they have high Puma populations in the narrative. As for prey I'd prefer population caps would vary over being the same everywhere.

[foggy owl]

The grinder

[umbral plank]

EW could easily apply these features & details that would actually refresh the game going bk to their roots with some new & modern flare. The snow & beaver animations is a huge step fwd. The only thing killing me with AR is the new 30-30 isnt any different than the base game after 8 yrs. Sure it looks amazing & they made it adaptable to pair with the scope dlc but nothing else!? Its disappointing after 8yrs.

[candid monolith]

I honestly think though that there's been some sort of a behind the scene change that has directly altered the trajectory of CotW. The reason I say this is because I think there was a change in leadership of the dev team somewhere along the line, which might help explain why there's been a material change in not only content, but how new content is hinted at and how the devs/team interact with the community. I mean, for what reason did EW stop hinting at new maps by leaving an Easter egg in game, like a pair of boxing gloves to hint at SRP, a painting for Quatro and why would EW stop hinting at new weapons by leaving a box of a new ammunition type lying around like they did with the 9.3×74R and .30-06 ?
It feel like there's this aspect of the games personality that just vanished, which for me, who's been playing since about April/May 2017 is kinda heart breaking to see. I actually even remember seeing on stream how I think it was TK at the time that said all the gear and stuff from classic will work it's way over to CotW so I went and familiarized myself with Classic to see what would be added to CotW oneday. Anyways, I think CotW is on a different track than what it might have been initially been planned to be on and I think this new update with the refusal to fix an old rifle but rather just reskin it was like a seed that got me to think about these things

[umbral plank]

Its usually what happens when a company undergoes changes in the ladder. Bethesda was the same way then deviated from what made their games so great. Now I get having slumps here & there but for a community driven title like CotW for its content I would've believed they'd apply our requests within reason to release content and so far have with Reserve & Huntable Game goes but again.....lodges & our gear have yet to be applied. Sure we got the polls but what about the rest of our threads? What we're asking isn't unreasonable & we've provided the Facts & well put debates & statements why it should. I'm hoping we'll further make our point to where they either 1 fix it or 2 provide a gear expansion that adds new ammo to our existing calibers & gauges. I would've been fine with the new 30-30 having 1 ammo option over 2 provided it covered C:7 Game. Whether its a 2-7, 3-7, or 2-6/3-7. Any of these 3 options would've been acceptable as a reserve exclusive.

[candid monolith]

Hopefully we see a positive change in this direction sometime soon, either that or a new similar hunting oriented game that has the features we want

[umbral plank]

UH has my hopes rather high given everything presented thus far just waiting for the demo to see more. But I have a feeling it'll be alot like CotW at the start alittle bumpy but promising overtime as long as they dont stray from their roots. I'm also still hoping EW will update CotW to further enhance its future but even after 8yrs I'm beyond shocked they havn't started a 3rd franchise given how outdated CotW software is. If adding new features is truly difficult & limited due to the old engine it would make more sense to release a new title with current software to take the features & franchise to more heights than the last. I'm really hoping EW doesn't optimize CotW to new gen given its existing limits & I'd hate to see old gen players be forced to upgrade after investing 8yrs into it. To me it makes more sense to start over on a clean slate than to override dinosaur coding for the next 2yrs.

[umbral plank]

As I said many times over players want to be challenged but more than anything they want freedom, utility, & numerous flexible options to work with an not be handicapped & be forced. As a hunting game players should have the freedom to use any caliber they choose to with various ammo options to hunt different game. This is further applied to gear & equipment to use for pursuing the players preferred Game. Attire could go 1 way or the other towards looks or towards utility. As for the Game Animals themself Game should be divided and Classed by Category Classification over #'s. In terms of Game difficuly they could still use the lvl 1 - 10 (Trivial to Veteran) where the higher lvl'd Game not only look their lvl but have heightened awareness/aggression. I said Veteran over G1 bc its more accurate! Furthermore each species overall population would vary in cap with every reserve as well as better placements & pathing between all the units. To add more less predictability the zones are randomly generated for ea. Player so no one's 1 map is the same, this includes randomly timed rest, drink, & feeding zones over what it is now. By doing this each playthrough or multiplayer experience will be different. If you want to take it a step further your actions could alter the ecology as this redirects the mindless culling & predictability even further. This is a rough base as all hunting titles should consider. Ofc I expect some to add their own features to make them standout such as economy, progression, skills/perks, mastery, unlockables, etc. But no matter the title the 3 key mandatory features all hunting titles shouldn't alter (mess up) is Huntable Game, Weapons/Gear, & Locations.

[umbral plank]

EW's locations do vary from 1 year to the other both good & bad. Huntable Game is gradually getting better. Weapons & Gear.......they need updated really badly including reworks in animation, performance, & use. I'm begging EW to shift focus to our equipment since they've shown they can release Reserves & Game in general from 2017 - Now. We need new & updated gear with fresh features & I mean while we're at it why not add a new playable mechanic?!

[trim moss]

So, everyone's got their hands on the "new" rifle and I've had at least half a dozen people tell me how bad it is. The higher velocity means slightly better penetration but they didn't do anything with the ammunition so I don't really see a point. On top of that, just about everyone's mentioned animals run a long way after being shot, sometimes innboth lungs.

Over all the Laperriere Outrider is a failure and I doubt EW will care enough to fix it

[tame hemlock]

That sums it up pretty well. It does have better penetration on larger animals now and can reliably get both lungs on most animals in its (bs) class range but the expansion I guess isn’t doing enough damage to bring them down fast enough to what it should compared other guns

[onyx marten]

the new 30-30 is... okay, if you're going for smaller animals. But if EW intends for us to use it on anything bigger than Class 3 consistently, it needs a power boost

[trim moss]

Same can be said of the old Whitlock. If there's no difference why do we need a new one?

[versed owl]

Sure the new .30-30 is just a cosmetic .... why even bother ....

[bitter garden]

🤔 I would imagine the original developers behind the Whitlock might no longer be there, available, or on another team.

Creating a new one may have been easier from a developer perspective and may leave a possibility of future tinkering.

I’m hoping for a performance tweak of some sort in the future.. Maybe in the fall, perhaps like what was done with the release of Sundarpatan and it’s map weapon.

Creating different ammunition types may take some time as it would involve changing many models.

In the meantime, we just don’t know because the road map is internal. 🤷‍♂️

[trim moss]

They showed a new ammo type and didn't deliver. Even if the Whitlock is too old to change they chose to use the same crappy ammunition as the old rifle that never got an update.

They could have at least made it a .35 Remington 4-8 so we'd have a decent rifle instead of a reskinned Whitlock

[versed owl]

Yeah if they tried to do it all at once then it would take a while but they don t have to do it all at once .... they dont do animal updates all at once and weapons are no different ...

They could have fixed the .30-30 with this update just by adding a new caliber round that was class 3-7/8 .... Next update they can target another neglected weapon ....

Every update it would get a little better ... No they didn't change it because they don't see it as broke ???? I know it hard to imagine .....

They don't see weapons as broke or maybe they do but haven't figured how to make money off of fixing them ....

[bitter garden]

Maybe they did but it didn’t make the critical time point of the map’s release deadline..

A .35 would be sweet though! 🤠

[bitter garden]

So many possibilities. 😯

[trim moss]

If that was true they should have added it to the patch notes and been clear about it instead of just letting it be old garbage in a new can

[bitter garden]

Disclaimer: It’s just me thinking out loud, only speculating here.

Sorry Huxley, i’m not trying to rile up anybody here. 😆

[trim moss]

I'm not trying to be an Ahole either but I've been stuck in the Doc's all day and it's making everything annoying af

[bitter garden]

I’m sorry you’re having to spend the day at the Doc’s.

P.S. - Don’t believe them if they say your blood pressure medicine comes in the form of a suppository. 😂

[trim moss]

They're just telling me I'll never be able to bowhunt or backpack again..no difference between this and yesterday

[echo slate]

yeah the .30-30 should be ethical for class 8 by now

like make the soft points 4-8 and the hollows 2-5 and the 30-30 will be good

[echo slate]

man that's rough

[tame hemlock]

hollows at 2-5 and softs at 3-7/8 with a power boost. 38 pen and 8 expansion would probably be good but honestly I prooved the stats don't mean jack squat. The hollow points seem to do pretty well this time around though, getting 100% quick kill on whitetail under 100m and 80-60% between 180 and 200m.

[echo slate]

i got 100% quick on this moose for crying out loud, the .30-30 should go up to class 8 😭

[echo slate]

yeah the hollows are great for broadside shots and the softs have good penetration

[versed owl]

Congrats but If I have to get 58m close to get a shot I might as well use a bow ....

[echo slate]

imma try a farther shot on the next one i find

[tame hemlock]

I see you got it through the heart from a frontal shot I assume, that’s how most ppl used to do it without the 300 or 338 back in the day. I’m with @trim moss on there being a heavy buffalo bore esque ammo though. The softs as of right now feel like those light reduced loads you can find but no where near the most basic 150 grain Remington corlokt, which is probably the most common load on the market for it here in the states.

[trim moss]

I'm starting to think if they don't want to fix the. 30-30 they should change the Outrider to .35 caliber and just make it a 4-8 that mirrors the '06, it'd be basic and boring but we'd have a big game lever gun at least

[tame hemlock]

A .35 remington 336 would be pretty nice, classic north american rifle. Honestly a new ammo would probably be a more likely solution though. I think I'm gonna make a suggestion for an ammo pack type dlc with a few overdue ammo types for some of the guns. Sure it may end up costing 4 bucks but it's probably more motivating for the devs to put effort into something that pulls in money rather than putting time and effort into something that comes along in the base game, part of why backfilling reserves was never standalone.

[trim moss]

Kinda did it already, unless you have a different idea. Check #1384918930799460515 and see if you want to add to it or do your own thing

[tame hemlock]

Gotcha

[trim moss]

It's the most basic thing I could think of to get it done tho

[round sonnet]

The Most common 30-30 load Up in Northern Ontario where I Live is a 170 Grain Core lokt So I want something like that for the 30-30 in COTW

[echo slate]

yes i use rounds exactly like that

[versed owl]

Those rounds certainly look familiar don't they ?

[trim moss]

Some of the most basic ammo you can get tbh

[trim moss]

These look eerily similar as well

[trim moss]

Visited a friend today who also plays, he got Askiy Ridge and invited me to play it. First thing he said was "don't use the .30-30, trust me, it's a nerf gun"

Yep, that sounds right

[round sonnet]

For me it doesn't feel like a Nerf gun but it still Needs another MASSIVE Buff

[formal cove]

Tried this rifle yesterday. Very good on beavers. 30-30 good on beavers 🤣 ...... f##k.

[left lava]

Honestly I would have preferred a 35 Remington

[trim moss]

And they wouldn't have even needed a different model

[left lava]

Exactly

[trim moss]

Bump

[trim moss]

Yep. Still disappointing as hell

[bitter garden]

I was hoping for a blurb in 8.2 referencing something for this. 😞

[trim moss]

Nope, still useless

[stiff trellis]

Man, loving the new pump, but I'm upset at how useless it makes the .30-30 now.

[trim moss]

In what way? It was a reskin of the old .30-30 to start with.
Would have saved a ton of time and effort if they just slapped a rail on the old .30-30 like the Mosin and M1 Garand have.

[stiff trellis]

It's just outshined yet again by another gun that can do everything it can do. Without a buff like it deserves, it's pointless.

[trim moss]

Starting to think they just hate it for some reason

[versed owl]

we are told time and again that the devs listen and read feedback ... https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1409912078914818049

Could have fooled me ... This makes 2 weapon packs this year and neither one was needed, asked for or worth buying .....

[stiff trellis]

I'll agree to disagree on your last point, but I find it interesting that now bumping isn't going to be allowed. That's a fantastic way for some primo threads and ideas to start dropping off their radar...

[versed owl]

Honestly we have threads asking for UI updates for years .... as well as other things other than just guns and more maps .....

That tells me most of this stuff has already fallen off the radar ... regardless they just keep putting out the same stuff .... The same low hanging fruit that they can easily monetize ....

And I don't suppose I can fault them for that because as long as people continue to buy it then why not keep selling it ???

[trim moss]

Funny, they really don't seem to care that much for the community anymore. At this point I think they're doing background work for the next game and just letting this one survive on scraps or die

[oblique rampart]

Honestly yeah, the recent feedback post kinda seems fake to me but imma give them one more chance for the next patch. If they ain’t fixing stuff enough (because let’s agree we don’t need more content rn, we need previous content fixed and proof that they listen to the community) then i have my anwers.

[versed owl]

Honestly they really have no competition in the hunting game market .... One game has been on the market for 2 years and still hasnt gotten any traction ....

The other game isn't even in beta yet and is a former fishing sim developer that really hasn't been able to penetrate the fishing market ... So like I said no real competition ....

So the attitude is just to coast and make so quick money ......

[trim moss]

Honestly, hunting simulator 2 is actually pretty fun. And they got the .30-30 right!

Also, shockingly, they have a feature that neither Call of the Wild or Way of the Hunter has.

Multiple calibers for each weapon

[stiff trellis]

That's interesting. I haven't picked up any of the HS games, but I'm keeping my eyes on HS3 as it develops.

[trim moss]

Check this list out

[stiff trellis]

That's pretty awesome!

[oblique rampart]

The only thing that bothers me is like why do you hunt in that game? In woth and cotw you hunt for trophies, in that game it seems you just get licenses and shoot animals

Which for me isn’t enough for me to buy the game, if there is reason enough to hunt i’ll play it yk

[trim moss]

There actually is a trophy room, and you still need money to buy gear. Unless you get insanely lucky with the biggest animals money is hard to come by

[oblique rampart]

Okay interesting, is it a big trophy room?

[trim moss]

Its a lodge. There's a spot for every animal in the game and a display room for all the guns/bows and gear.

[versed owl]

EW's reaction to the community lately leads me to believe they may be winding down development on HCOTW ....

If they release Africa 2.0 in Dec of this year then I expect HCOTW 2 announcment in 2026 ..... I still think back to them pulling Jaxy away from the community to head up a group of beta testers ....

What exactly are they beta testing????

[oblique rampart]

Ah cool

[oblique rampart]

Beta testing? Do you have more info on this?

[versed owl]

You'll have to go back to the first of this year ... Just watch Jaxy's last stream where he announced he was becoming a part of the dev team and joining or heading up a group that would be doing testing for EW ....

Now it could be testing for some other game(s) that they are working on but It could also be the next iteration of the COTW franchise .... Just my own speculation ....

and truthfully I would be very surprised if they aren't already very far along in creating it already .... We know the Angler used an updated version of the Avalanche engine ...

So what better way to infuse more income into the business than to roll out a new version and basically start over from scratch .... It's going to happen just a matter of when ....

[gusty trout]

I'm hearing what everyone is saying and I can't comment on a lot right now.

But I do want to clarify a few things. None of this is new info btw which is why I'm fine putting it in this thread and not waiting for a potential q&a:

• We have always had a group of beta testers. It used to be that we managed that in the community team, but now Jaxy is managing the beta group with our developers.
• The rumor that Africa will be our last map is not true - it is taken out of context from our livestreams because it's Jaxy's personal opinion. However for several reasons we are not in a state right now to pull off the Africa 2 that everyone wants to see.
• We have no plans to wind down development of COTW

[gusty trout]

Also one extra thing I really need to say 😭

Yes the streams have been gone for a while. I know it's hard to see when we aren't talking to you directly through something like a livestream, BUT trust me when I say the community team is advocating for you all behind the scenes.

[oblique rampart]

Just some feedback on your part to us is very appreciated Vivi, what you said here has been very needed and i am very grateful to be reading this, so thank you

[trim moss]

Still disappointed in the .30-30's performance, haven't bought Askiy Ridge yet either.

That's the rifle I hunt with irl so I don't want a sad clone of it in game

[echo slate]

i just wanna be able to hunt moose the way i do IRL, stalking the brush with a 30-30 and iron sights

[echo slate]

however i absolutely do not want the monstrous version of the 30-30 in prehistoric hunt (The image speaks for itself............)

[tranquil shell]

I'd actually kill someone for a proper 45-70 that has 6 rounds and can more reliably take down bison, moose, and grizzlies

[echo slate]

so long as it can't do this LMAO

[tranquil shell]

Well yeah that's a given