Outrider ammo

[rough otter]

I can't say for anyone else but I'm desperately hoping the NEW RESERVE RIFLE isn't the same old 2-6 peashooter the old rifle is.

Seeing the new ammo models gives me a little hope but not much. I'm hoping it's a sign of a real, significant change because the Whitlock 30-30 absolutely pointless to use. It's got a shorter max zero distance, less ammunition and only one scope, unlike the .243 you get for free just for starting the game.

Adding insult to injury, the Whitlock's one and only scope is unlocked after a ton of good guns and scopes. 7mm Regent(the Empress is unlocked at level 1 and just needs cash) the .270, the hyperion 4-8 scope, the .45-70 Coachmate (it sucks too btw, and the only scope it uses would destroy the rifle irl)

Let's not forget that recently we got a semi-auto 2-6 rifle that outclassed all the other 2-6 options including a previous reserve rifle.

PLEASE, MAKE THE OUTRIDER COVER AT LEAST CLASS 3-7 GAME. Honestly it could cover class 8, the .30-30 is over and hundred years old and still being made in brand new rifles and models because it works.

Please, give us some good news and tell us this will be a solid rifle for big game

[vague rune]

Which reserve weapon did the 7.62x39 outclass? Was it the 6.5?

[umbral abyss]

22-250

[vague rune]

I think it and the 223 both get out classed just because of the 243. The sks just made it worse. Sucks they really don’t have much use especially 22-250 since it’s my favorite varmint round irl.

[rough otter]

Honestly, probably it too, I haven't tested it against the 6.5 but best I remember the 6.5 wasn't too good on anything 7-8 size anyway

[vague rune]

About equal to the 270 if I recall I need to test a bunch of things again

[rough otter]

.270 does good for black bear if you're close if I recall

[rough otter]

Bump for 3-7 class

[rough otter]

Same class range, same ammo count no damn difference. SAME STUPID RANGE RESTRICTIONS Way to go EW you know exactly how to disappoint

[vague rune]

Range restrictions could honestly be fixed with custom zeroing but the ammo being the same is obviously not good and so is a 4 shot capacity. Reskin of a gun with a different scope this time.

[karmic fiber]

Just a reskinned whitlock.

[rough otter]

I realize that it's entirely possible they showed this with the old ammo and that the Whitlock being there is a hint toward that.

However, if they went through the trouble to show new styles of cartridges in the teaser image then just showed the old ammunition that's an extremely stupid way to show the weapon itself off.

With it looking like they did absolutely nothing to make the Outrider an actual upgrade over the Whitlock I was legitimately annoyed enough to cancel my pre-order of the dlc and delete the game. It feels like they recognized how poorly the base game guns were competing with dlc and made an entirely new model to show us they know but didn't care enough to actually fix the problem

[shrewd imp]

EW design meeting conversation .......

Okay so what should the new weapon for Alberta be? ??? Anyone have a suggestion ? How about a new lever .30-30 , It would fit in real well with the landscape and the current ammo in game is already ethical for beavers, so not much work to be done there ....

Great! meeting done where do we go for lunch ???

[pure aspen]

Is it true that there won't be a third type of ammo for the new mission weapon?

Do you think there will be more reskinned weapons based on the current ones in the future? And that the ammo list won't be expanded?

[shrewd imp]

Have they given us any reason to believe otherwise? They had a perfect opportunity with this weapon to say different .... They could be open and transparent for once and tell us if they plan on cleaning up the mess that they have made with the weapons in this game ....

What say you EW ???? Crickets ....

[rough otter]

I doubt it but CC videos should be coming out to explain soon

[rough otter]

Tried asking ViVi in the Alberta chat, she didn't even answer so I'm betting it's the same useless ass ammo as ever.

Wasted opportunity to actually improve something

[rough otter]

So, Flinter's first video just dropped and he used the .30-30 on a wolf.

It took two shots and he immediately said it was underpowered.

"Retuned ammo" apparently means new picture in the store cause they didn't do crap to change it

[vague rune]

I was really disappointed in flinter with how he showed it off. Mostly used it on beavers, when he used it on big game he didn’t show how it actually performed.

[rough otter]

I'm pretty sure it's because he tested it and didn't like it. It's just not good at all

[shrewd imp]

No criticism on Flinter and he is much better than some other CC's but EW wants the CC's to blow smoke at the players .... Don't spend too much time showing the obviously glaring flaws in the game .... because If you make us look bad then you'll regret it ...

The .30-30 is only useful for short range beavers and maybe a pronghorn ... show that and then move on ....

I noticed another CC said that they weren't allowed to grind during early access ... Could it be because no grinder would even consider using the .30-30 to grind with ????

[vague rune]

That's just it, flinter is my favorite CC not just because of his videos and playing other games, but also since he actually hunts and is one wmu away from me irl. But he still doesn't always bring light to issues that need addressed but I at least know why. Others just kinda shill out and take EW's word as if it was the word of god.

[rough otter]

The Outrider could be an absolutely amazing upgrade to the Whitlock with very few changes.

Change classes to 3-7
Zero distance changed to 75m, 150m, and 250m
Buffed to equal the performance of the 7.62x54r Mosin at least

Now, will EW do this? No. That doesn't fit their class brackets or sell dlcs

[vague rune]

Seriously. Adding full power .30-30 ammo for both rifles and allowing for the new one to have better zeroes would be awesome, but yeah I don't see it happening any time soon at least. It did seem like in scarecrows video that it was getting pretty good penetration on elk, hitting double lung but it still took a while to expire. About what I'd expect from a run of the mill 150 grain soft point but it can do way better.

[rough otter]

It was the perfect chance.

Hole in the drywall and they decide a new coat of paint is enough

[shrewd imp]

Did they actually add a new round in the update but still kept it 2-6 ????? I just thought the new rounds were only in that picture?

[vague rune]

They are the same from what I can tell but they might have been made a little bit more powerful but that is to be determined.

[rough otter]

If you still play can you add a Whitlock comparison to this picture?

[vague rune]

looks the same to me

[rough otter]

Yep, unfortunately.

I will say. If they're using the old ammo only until release it's bs that has lost them a lot of faith, if it really is the same crap with a new picture it lost them money too

[rough otter]

How was this the only problem they saw with the rifle? How absolutely useless this sh*t is when they didn't even change the zero distance

[tiny turret]

Look there's more tactful ways of saying it but, EW knows jackshit and fckall about firearms according to anyone who knows firearms. It's a matter of incompetence and cutting corners in terms of learning about firearms/consulting someone who's more familiar with firearms. Again there are more tactful ways of putting it but look how far that's gotten us...

[rough otter]

They're using game balance as an excuse to avoid doing any actual research about the firearms this game f-ing relies on so they can put more work into goofy as* fantasy animals.

I really wanna know who turned this game into the cull simulator it is because they owe me a refund

[tiny turret]

The attept to cling to balance of realism in a self proclaimed realistic hunting simulator is actually so silly

And speaking of goofy fantasy animals I see whe have out first zebra in game in the form of a striped mule deer......

[rough otter]

The reworks are great, all around the animals look much better than before but this stupid looking DnD escapee deer and the way they've ruined the rifle absolutely ruin the damn game for me.

I've used my .30-30 on everything from feral goats to elk and black bear and it always does the job with one round and exit wound. It's disgustingly stupid how little effort they put into the guns in this game

[tiny turret]

I really wish there were a real way for us to successful explain what's wrong with firearms and ballistics in game to EW in such a way that it brings about real and meaningful change, but I don't think that's possible atleast right now. We can make a discord post and it'll be largely ignored or we can submit a ticket on the official website and recive a generic response and that's as far as it goes. I don't expect EW to do everything everyone asks because that's obviously impossible but I think in a self proclaimed realistic hunting game where a decent chunk of your target market hunt irl, some real effort should go into realistic animals and realistic firearms and they should be treated as priority game aspects

[rough otter]

It should, realistic firearms is not too much to ask in a dedicated hunting game. We don't need balance because there's no such thing as balance. It either works or it doesn't.

You'd think that shooting hundreds of animals in a few hours would be "video gamey" enough for them that at least our rifles could work properly

[jaunty raven]

UH did it right EW add an ammo expansion to all calibers & gauges and put an end to class locks. Allow players to utilize every caliber & gauge authentically from lowest to highest & allow the players to choose for themselves. I'm sry but a 3 weapon loadout makes zero sense to me without the use of a pack & forcing players to utilize 3 gun combos for C:1-9 game is a bit outlandish for a title thats advertised to provide players an authentic hunting experience. That vibe of authenticity started to fade when G1's were betrayed as fantasy themed animals, narrative story & job quests lost their authentic tasks & connection to the NPC arcs, & our gear is restricted & unfortunately quite limited when Dlc's tend to bypass base game mechanic progression. What makes Dlc pks worse is you eliminated the ability to utilize the in-game credit system even further by handing them out for Free in the in-game store without the games progression unlocks & mastery rewards in mind. Idk where EW is going to end up with this new direction, but AR will likely be my last dlc purchase for TH:CotW unless our gear gets updated, fixed, & new mechanic features.

[rough otter]

I've seen a few things about the new rifle and I'm still not seeing anything that warrants 12$. The ammo we saw in the promo image seems to be nothing but decorations. It uses ordinary scopes but so does the moradi, it covers more classes as well so there's just no point in changing. The map itself is nice, but that still means I'd be paying full price for 3 new animals and a reskinned rifle. Until the rifle actually offers something meaningful (class 3-7/8, a longer zero, better penetration or actual new ammo to do this) I can't see spending the money on it.

An update that makes all the rifles more realistic in terms of performance then I'd gladly pay for it.

[tiny turret]

I know I'm gonna be wasting my time doing it, but I'm gonna submit a ticket on the CotW website about the performance of the .30-30 this evening before I play the new map, maybe we get luck and EW responds to the plea, but I won't be getting my hopes up.

[rough otter]

It'd be nice, but I don't expect anything from it. They seem to ignore issues like this like it's a sport

[tiny turret]

They ignore it like it's sport and they're Michael Phelps 😂

[vague rune]

I can’t see where this made a difference. Just tested both .30-30s at the target range and the 45-70 rifle. The 45-70 and .30-30 would hit at the same place at 200 when zeroed for 150 yesterday and they still do today.

[tiny turret]

right, I submitted a ticket, hopefully a good one
I addressed the issue of .30-30 itself underperforming even against .270 which has the same stats, the fact that is should be class 3-7 at least and its odd that the .270 with identical stats is a class 4-8. I addressed the idea of a buff to the ammo or a new ammo type, and the fact that despite the velocity buff there's been no zeroing increase and I also brought up the tubular magazine size being too small. Now, lets sit back and hope that all the bitching might convince EW to get their ballistics, at least for the .30-30, in order to some extent

[tiny turret]

And now we see if anything ever happens

[rough otter]

I hope but I doubt, thanks for trying at least

[vague rune]

At least they got back to you about it specifically, maybe if we all do the same they’ll get the message

[tiny turret]

That is probably the best way to go about it to be honest
They probably wouldn't change anything without a group or crowd of people telling them how they feel about it

I think if for instance, all the people that gave a thumb up to the #1378074459386413066 thread submitted a ticket on the website, we'd have a good change at seeing some real response from EW

[vague rune]

Yeah, best to tell everyone to submit a ticket asking for a power boost and a 3-7/8 class range and/or new ammo to accommodate it. Balancing definitely isn’t a concern with them anymore and after the 7.62x39 and 300blk came out it’s obvious they want more realistic feeling weapons, but screwed it up recently. The 300 blk is less powerful than 7.62x39 but is classed with a higher minimum class, and the .30-30 is slated as less powerful than both when obviously irl .30-30 is a significant step above the 7.62x39.