Where does EW’s priorities lie?

[stone sequoia]

With the full announcement trailer the community is buzzing. Many are overjoyed but… a few are a little worried. I’m beginning to question where EW’s priorities even lie?

Because it’s not with the community. The BC post has 778 upvotes and steadily rising while the Canadian Arctic post has 944 and steadily rising.

Now don’t get me wrong, I’m totally fine with the setting of Alberta. Just don’t hype the community up with polar bear emojis and expect us to know better.

And let us not forget the lack of grizzly bear? The Canadian Rockies would be a perfect host but here we are… mallards and pheasant. The main grizzly bear rework post has 428 upvotes and it’s seemingly been cast aside despite being a common request YEARS even before I even picked up this game. I only want what’s best for this wonderful game and don’t want to see it go down a path many other games of this genre have.

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1123832368118120458

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1070045518002147458

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1120101900096909383

[sleek isle]

bump

[static dove]

Mallard and Pheasant are disturbing for me. They are excessive. Both species are owners of 6 maps! 😠

[signal nymph]

It's even more difficult for me. I hate maps with geese and ducks. Because they annoying with noise. I hunt in childhood to mallard, teal, gadwall but it silent hunt. Ducks don't quack so often when fly, eat and rest. Geese in game are totally crazy. Now they are required on every new map.😩 Pheasants are better. 😀

[static dove]

I think EW could fix this disturbing quacking by adding a sliding option (audio volume of geese and ducks calling) in the settings.

[thin cairn]

Oh yes, Revontuli flashback 😄
I have a problem with being exposed to long term excesive noise and while playing Revontuli despite the map being lovely I can't stand playing for too long as there is quacking everywhere all the time from all possible directions. I don't know anymore if they are flying by, are spooked, are near or are landing, it all mixes to me in one big disorienting noise 😄

[simple trout]

There’s only nineteen species!
36% of game in Alberta Hunting Reserve are, as of now, birds? 🥱

HOW, did the Grizzly Bear Not make final roster, and please tell me it wasn’t to another bird. - How?! 🤢

I sure hope this doesn’t happen in Africa 2.0 🤮

[tulip elbow]

What’s also not forget that just like grizzlies cougars are in need of a massive remodel, rework, and need to be given the tiger/snow leopard treatment… low population and more stealthy and elusive basically fixing all the biggest issues with them…. And this would’ve been the perfect map to fix cougars But No we got pheasant in Mallard instead…. And if we’re up to me, I would’ve picked mountain lion and grizzly bear 1000 Times over Mallard and Pheasant… heck coyote would’ve been a better pick then Pheasant and mallard because they also need a massive remodel and rework all three predators need this

[grave wigeon]

If the type of things that happened with this map happen with Africa 2.0 I wouldn't be surprised if there was a riot...or a review bombing

[kind dagger]

Don’t forget https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1195097534239088720

[vague jacinth]

The same issue is happening with weapon packs, they are prioritizing grinding as a playstyle and devoting way more resources to Great Ones than any other part of the game.

[digital viper]

True that. The Roosevelt Collection is the biggest weapons suggestion on the discord and AK related weapon packs are some of the most downvoted

And then there’s everything African related, the out right biggest post is Africa Big 5 and there are so many more African map suggestions

The Community desperately wants Africa 2.0 and time and again they refuse to touch Africa with a ten foot pole

[tulip elbow]

I’m just going to leave this here if anyone is interested https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1379496450773221438

[digital viper]

I don’t even play with the sound on because of the ducks

[simple trout]

If was on a design team that created a beautiful African map, and found out just over 1/3 of the game animals are birds.. I would “go to lunch,” immediately slam 36oz. of beer, to start, and blow off the rest of the day before making decisions.

[grave wigeon]

only a 32oz ?

[simple trout]

Correction: 36oz., that’s the biggest frosted mug I can get close to work.

[prime radish]

I have to believe its a performance consideration .... there is really no other reason for it ... So then give me a map with 15 species .... I think I would just as soon have that than using birds as just filler ....

[vague jacinth]

You'd be surprised how easy it is to hunt while listening to sea shanties

[digital viper]

I normally do hunting podcasts
But sea shanties do sound surprisingly good

[barren field]

I know a lot of us are upset without having some of the species that could have been on this map including me. However I do want to point out one positive in the direction they are going so it's not all negative. The amount of new subspecies on this map was great. They could have just given us the same Bison and Elk. I appreciate the subspecies separation they did with this map. It opens up more possibilities for new subspecies in the future.

I think they didn't add the species we wanted to save them for future maps because people complain about reused species. Me personally I love multiple maps with Grizzly Bear and Wolverine. They could have added them to this map and a future map and i would have bought them. I think some of the decisions are based off of people complaining. I think we have to becareful what we complain about because it is altering the direction they go sometimes and it's not always for the better. That's how I feel anyway

[prime bramble]

i think the Reason that EW coose alberta was too put as many animals on this map that need a remodel as possible .

however the thing that wonders me about it is that they choose to dont include Grizzlys, Cougars or Coyotes although they al are present in this area and in a need of a rework.

[raven basin]

You can't have everything. The community voted in the polls and asked for two large maps back, even after officially hearing about the difficulties the studio was having in meeting those deadlines.
There wasn't much to look forward to at this stage, it was even possible that we would have another minimap but they still delivered a great release.

Although they didn't include those requests, they did include many others.
https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1181053623602520195
https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1201216001195389049
https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1131615912705937428
https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1121922705629925408
https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1273552003712421899
https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1316988842196209706
https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1271155788907286619

Or would everyone really have preferred not to have a map this summer?

[prime pasture]

@signal nymph @thin cairn be like me and be deaf so play the game without audio -:)

[vague jacinth]

Try the song "Cold like this" by The Rumjacks

[prime radish]

@barren field I like both of your positive outlooks on the situation and as for the reworks the jury is still out on just how much of a rework some species got .... I don't think we can legitimately say just from looking at the trailers

The only ones we can be reasonably certain about at this point are Beavers, advanced snow and wolves ....

[sleek isle]

and also the mule deer and bighorn

they look definitively not dumb anymore

[vague jacinth]

Just a question, when was the statement Ithat they have trouble making two maps a year? I'm curious if the angler's team was counted as a part of that consideration

[wide sequoia]

Im pretty excited for this map. Has whitetail, mulies, and elk which are my favorites. Hopefull the new GO is either elk or Mule Deer. Looks great in the limited trailers so far. Barely played the last year but im super exicted now.

[regal elk]

I'm really excited for this map, but I admit that it was weird to me that they went with Alberta, and not the most requested Canadian map that's been in the feedback section of this server for ages.

There's a lot of great stuff coming that people have been asking for, so regardless I'm really happy. But it is still just sorta weird to me

[sleek isle]

only thing a bit odd to me is no grizzly bear remodel and no mtn lion remodel/rework but tbh the did so many remodels and touchups that i doubt they had the time to do them for a June release

maybe if it were one map a year in like September they couldve pulled it off

[regal elk]

Yeah probably. Still a really cool map that I'll be hunting a lot

[tacit coyote]

i still have hopes for a backfill for these 2

[sleek isle]

same

[tacit coyote]

maybe its because they have something bigger going for them instead of just a remodel (copium)

[stone sequoia]

I just want make something very clear.

I do not hate this update and I don’t hate everything that comes with it. I just think it could’ve been handled a whole lot better.

[woeful pecan]

ive said this before in another post and it feels like they put pheasant on the new map to get as many GO's in as possible... it will be 5 with the new one

[sleek isle]

plus snowy pheasant map

it has da vibes

[tulip elbow]

I still stand by my response, I hate to say this, but do you know what that means? Because we keep asking for the specific species to be remodeled and reworked that more likely than not they will be working on probably a North America 8.0 reserve before for Cougar, Coyote and Grizzly Bear Remodel and Reworks before we ever get say Africa 2.0….. which I don’t want, which means it would have to be either another Rocky Mountains map, either being Montana or Idaho,but or Wyoming… or a British Columbia Map…. Which is the only other positive I can see you probably Roosevelt elk and Blacktail deer being added and getting the much needed remodels and Reworks too but that’s it… if anything, North America 8.0 should be that much needed Arctic circle map if anything, but no, that’s what I think is gonna happen and it’s a shame that I’m sure they can probably backfill all three species and then give them the Remodels and reworks for this map but as much as I hope for that, I’m still very iffy on that… and all because they chose pheasant and Mallard over the other three much more highly requested big game animals that were very much needed for this map

[woeful pecan]

true it is cool, but still out of everything else they could have added they chose something thats on multiple maps. Just doesnt make a ton of sense imo

[tulip elbow]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again should’ve been mountain lion and grizzly bear

[raven basin]

November 2023, when they announced that there would be no map in December, after that they gave reasons in the following devstreams, I don't have at hand which are the exact streams

[tacit coyote]

they dont NEED to add them to another map for a remodel, specially if its an arctic circle map, we just gotta be loud enough

[vague jacinth]

That's two years ago, without any of the support of the team from the Angler. Interesting, I doubt that's applicable now.

[sleek isle]

its likely why they brought in the angler team in order to make 2 big maps a year with high quality a possibility

[stone sequoia]

There’s only so many North America maps they can pump out and we’re nearing the tipping point.

[sleek isle]

about all thats left for them to do is the arctic and a Salz equivalent in like nebraska with loads of grouse, partridge, dove, and duck

[tacit coyote]

would be nice if they took the time to rework older maps a bit, make them more up to date yk, probably takes less time than making a completely new location

[sleek isle]

almost every NA map has room for 8 to 10 more species

they could all be so full of life and so amazing with so much variety but theyre missing so much

[woeful pecan]

yes! giving the older maps some love would be awesome

[raven basin]

They raised DLC prices, closed two Avalanche Studios offices, laid off employees, and shut down servers and support for one game. That's what they changed.

[tulip elbow]

Exactly that’s what I’m saying… only like three or four left for a possible future, North America maps and that’s about it not a lot and also personal opinion I could say the same about Europe. Europe doesn’t really have a lot of unique places they look very samey to me mostly if that makes sense

[vague jacinth]

But that also implies that the problem was having the team split. And since they've ended support on the Angler then that part of the team is now free to actively take part in work for CotW.

Assuming that adds around 20 more sets of hands to the staff it should ease up the work. I'm curious exactly what the devs are doing if not focusing on the game that has an active player base

[tacit coyote]

cause like we dont need what? 7 american maps, we just want each one to feel fun and complete. ive seen a lot of people asking for more american maps only for species that could be added to older maps, or a specific line up, or some kind of terrain that would fit in a map rework yk

[tulip elbow]

But I feel like that’s what’s gonna happen because we are being very vocal about cougars coyotes and grizzly bears getting remodeled and reworked

[sleek isle]

they may be working on another title but I think partly its due to taking more time to do higher quality work

even compared to Sundar's models what we've seen for Askiy's new and remodeled animals are incredibly detailed

plus they shut down angler part way into the development process into this reserve, so the full effect of the extra hands wont be felt til we see the December release imo.

[sleek isle]

Id love all 3 plus bobcat and lynx on Askiy if they can push the envelope with species count and backfills

I'd literally never leave that reserve then

[tulip elbow]

Unless a miracle happens and they finally backfill all three onto Askiy Ridge and rework and remodel them…. But I don’t know…. But do you see where I’m getting at?

[prime radish]

I honestly could have done without whitetail on this map .... I'm a big whitetail hunter but how many maps do we seriously need whitetail on?

[woeful pecan]

yea i thought the same thing

[vague jacinth]

Honestly, I'd be much more excited if they simply revamped the maps we do have. Simple things like cutting back the number of moose in Layton to accommodate mountain goats or adding more varied terrain in SRP. In fact I'd be willing to pay for an update like that if they added something like an outfit or rifle that fit SRP's theme. Say a Rolling Block .45-70

[sleek isle]

yeah, that said it does put a north american deer slam onto a single map

wouldve liked if black bear and whitetail both got remodeled sinc BB have.....odd head and face shapes and whitetail are a bit dated now, specially in comparison with the new muley model

[sleek isle]

or even reworking SRP to be autumn so we get the red willow stands and yellow aspen groves we were robbed of 5 years back

[tacit coyote]

we could try to get like 300 upvotes on each post (i mean a cougar post, a grizzly post, coyote post, so on) and mention it in convos on the general chat, we gotta at least pretend its heavily requested lol

i made a thread about feline reworks were mention bobcats and cougars, i will compile most suggestions i can come up or find for them, and hope people help spread the word

[vague jacinth]

Actually, now I think about it.

How would you guys feel about an expansion to the maps themselves? Say by half or something. Adding a new biome section and extended animal spawns that don't necessarily connect to the main story of the map?

Taking Layton as an example an extension on the northern side of the map for bighorn, cougar, mountain goat and elk spawns

[grave wigeon]

I'm not sure how popular the idea is in the broader community but I'd love to see old stuff get reworked, new mechanics added and QoL upgrades

[sleek isle]

thatd be rad

[woeful pecan]

they could do the same on yukon to add dall sheep to the south side rocky area

[vague jacinth]

Yeah, give a place for animals that are normally in the region if not the habitat the map showcases

As a dlc it could be passed as an expansion to the hunting area adding something the map should have had

[raven basin]

And eventually we return to the solution to everything, the seasons xD
https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1224777679790669955

[prime radish]

They could do that easily with a small map and not touch the original map ... I even have a thread started suggestion they do it ....

Make a small map add some fast tavel points to move between the main and the small map ... done ....

[tacit coyote]

i think most people are neutral about it, but most will complain if you dont mention reworks to the spook system

[vague jacinth]

That feels a bit like the old Cabela's games where you'd have to travel between areas for one species or two in a zone

[tacit coyote]

yk that northern area on the rocky mountain map in WOTH? i would love something like that for layton, i think its fitting

[vague jacinth]

Yeah, sorta that but with something actually living there

[prime radish]

@vague jacinth I also think the 64K map size is a hard limit to support consoles ... just like render distance and 19 species limit with 1/3 of those being birds ...

[vague jacinth]

older consoles they are doing everything they can to keep support on last Gen consoles

[tulip elbow]

Well, all right everyone let’s spread the word. Let’s show EW that we want the cougar grizzly bears and coyotes to finally get their massive remodels and rework, and for the cougars to be greatly fixed so that people can go from hating them to loving them

[vague jacinth]

You have a severe obsession sir.

[tulip elbow]

It’s the fact that this was the perfect map for all three and they did not make the cut despite all three being very highly requested for this map and all three having been highly requested for a remodel and rework anyways

[vague jacinth]

Yeah but even a Patagonia map could have reworked cougars, grizzlies would definitely be fine in Layton, and coyotes I'm not sire what the issue is other than EW hating them

[tulip elbow]

We already have a Patagonia map with mountain lions It was like the third DLC map and that introduced cougars…. Grizzlies are exclusive to Yukon and I’m not sure if they’re in Washington state or at least not a breeding population…. And coyotes need a massive remodel and rework. They are well overdue and they need to be backfilled on all North America maps, red fox needs a ******** break for a long while…. to mention all three are native to the northern Rockies and because there’s only two maps with cougars, one with grizzlies and coyotes need a lot more love this would’ve been the perfect map

[stone sequoia]

It’s not a very good one tbh.

[tulip elbow]

Yeah exactly, It kind of was a bit of a good map in the beginning, but time was not Kind to it and it shows now

[tacit coyote]

yeah there are still cool map concepts in patagonia if they ever wanted to make a new one

[vague jacinth]

. . .Parque is in Argentina. Patagonia is an entirely different ecosystem. It's nearly sub-arctic, or it might be, last I checked was like 5 years ago

[tulip elbow]

Isn’t Patagonia in Argentina and Chile?

[vague jacinth]

Welcome to Patagonia, where you can freeze you walnuts off hunting red deer and beavers

[sleek isle]

yeah it straddles Argentina and Chile but its not represented in Parque since Parque is only lowlands and foothills

[vague jacinth]

Not the same ecosystem as Northern Argentina where Parque is. Think of something closer to Revontuli like

[stone sequoia]

Guanaco hunting would be super fun

[tacit coyote]

you can also hunt these guys in some reserves

[vague jacinth]

You know the weird eco-fact that raccoons ended up in Europe do to Erwin Rommel, the head of Forestry in Germany in the 30's, importing them to beef up the fur trade?

Well, tierra del fuego has the same issue but with Canadian beavers. Some settler brought in 20 and said what's the worst that could happen and they basically wiped a dew forest areas out

[grave wigeon]

Erwin Rommel ? As in the Field Marshall in WW2 ?

[prime radish]

The only slim hopes for Grizz at this point would be if they decided to do a Kodiak Island map with Grizz and Black tail

[tacit coyote]

or just a backfill ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[static dove]

This is my thread about the feral sheep.
https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1212454017414856724

[prime radish]

They probably wont do a remodel/backfill unless they can do it as a dlc

[tacit coyote]

pretty sure they already did that, wouldnt doubt it specially if the community is asking for it

[prime radish]

I don't recall them ever doing a back fill that wasn't associated with or at the same time as a dlc release ...

[tacit coyote]

well most updates come with a dlc, im just saying the backfill or remodel doesnt need to be the main point of the dlc, like a new map

recently they backfilled tahr onto TA on i think a weapon pack release

[vague jacinth]

Yep, that's him. He was an avid hunter turns out.

[vague jacinth]

Spell check this before someone else notices

[prime radish]

thanks 🙈

[prime radish]

The Tahr back fill didn't involve a remodel .... Grizz definately needs one ...

[vague jacinth]

Lol all good

[static dove]

The same species of Yukon Valley? I prefer the Kodiak subspecies for Kodiak Island.

[sleek isle]

Grizz species is based on the Kodiak/coastal grizzlies given their max weight of 680kg or about 1500lbs

[tacit coyote]

we shouldve gotten a inland grizzly (generally smaller) for Alberta, keeping the Coastal grizzlies for Yukon and a potential Kodiak Island, but then again thats just a "wasted" opportunity for a remodel

[vague jacinth]

Yukon would be absolutely perfect for black bear too.

[static dove]

So we need other subspecies Grizzly Bear for another map like Wyoming, BC, and NT.

We need a new map for the remodeled Grizzly Bear. I know in Wyoming there are Grizzly Bears.

[static dove]

News of December 2024: Wyoming Announces Grizzly Hunt Near Yellowstone and Grand Teton. Hunters will be able to kill a total of 22 bears.

[vague jacinth]

Yep, they are here. Rare to see outside the park tho. I have found tracks on my land in the northern part at least

[prime radish]

They could do a remodel and make one bigger than the other but still use the same model .... Like it seems they may have done here with Caribou on AR ,,, Hopefully they will share that model with Yukon ...

[static dove]

I prefer two subspecies because I saw an image of the two subspecies together and the difference in size is evident.

[pure elk]

Love this game and this new map, but I understand what you mean and agree to an extent.

[sand glacier]

EW stated the reason they didn’t make an Arctic map is that they didn’t feel they could do it justice, as they didn’t believe they could do Seals and Walrus well at the current moment. I’m fine with that, but we really should’ve gotten a map with Stone/Dalls Sheep.

[digital viper]

But they were able to do crocs and alligators right.
That’s a weird statement for them to make

[sand glacier]

Tbh it would be significantly harder to do Walrus and Seals than it would Crocs and Gators, on account of the blubber and the general way they look in general. Wouldn’t want another Cape Buffalo situation where the skin folds look like garbage.

[signal nymph]

The game lacks footstep indication for the approaching beast. Even those who can hear have to turn up louder for this.

[still zenith]

I really like this game, I love it. I've had fun with friends and family, hunting for Diamonds, Rares and Great Ones is fun. But at a certain point E.W. needs to listen to the community. And they do, the Bighorn sheep have been reworked, Mule Deer, Mt Goat, and we got a new snowy map. However, there are some things they do that really irritates me.

Like Liam said, the Grizzlies, other animals, and maps have been shunned by E.W.. Do they listen? Are they planning reworking more species and adding maps we all want. Asia, Africa, South America, etc. And are they going to fix animals that look like a plastic toy from Dollar Tree? We don't know.

Another thing that bugs me is the Great Ones. Some look amazing, the antlers, horns, and furs. But, some look just wrong, or impossible. Some look so weird, for example, the Spruce moose looks orange, and the Spider rack looks like a Red Deer. Which, the Red Deer only has 3 antlers, and ONE fur. I love hunting Red Deer, but they need to fix them. I think they need to do a Poll when making furs and antlers. And I want more antlers than fur types. And I would rather just have antlers for Mule Deer, Sheep, or Elk Great One. Because to me, that is all I want. Big antlers on a normal deer.

[pure elk]

Yeah, the fantasy furs take me out of it. I love Great Ones, don't get me wrong, but it's the diamonds and super rares that I really appreciate. More realism as far as furs go.

[ancient arrow]

Tbh, I'd happily have EW not make more maps for a while if it means doing meaningful improvements to the ones we already have, especially the older ones

Also a ton of improvements to the game in general over adding new stuff

[vague jacinth]

Only issue is that wouldn't pay enough to keep it going

[ancient arrow]

I have a reserve idea

[arctic trellis]

I want to preface this by stating Alberta does sound quite enjoyable as a new reserve addition. There is this strange level of disdain the community holds for North America maps, North America is so vast and has such an impressive array of biomes, species, and history (much like many other continents). If we forgo this NA hatred, for lack of a better word, and focus on why Alberta/Askiy Ridge is bordering on a miss, then there is a new conversation to be had.

A well rounded map does not constitute the inclusion of seven (7) birds, four (4) of which being new, and three (3) being return species. With 50% of the new species roster being birds it begs the question of why? How did seven (7) birds make the cut for a nineteen (19) species roster, when there were arguably better prospects?

We are hard on EW because we are acutely aware of their potential, which they seem to forgo, or even forget. Yes, a relative minority of the community are hardcore into game birds & waterfowl, I do not wish to knock them for this passion. But, must you take them far more seriously than those that plead for heinous models to be brought up to speed? Doing this repeatedly, as well as leaning heavily towards certain play styles and overlooking others, does not build the foundations for a community, it pits us against one another.

The community sees your potential and believes in you, but pretending as though members don’t exist and their voices don’t matter, could be your undoing. It is a sincere hope that you would sit down with your team, and take the time out of your busy schedule, to thoroughly review every single model you have so that you can understand why we bring them up so often. It’s not to discount the quality of your work, it’s to show you that you can do so much better if you stop with the earplugs & blinders.

[ancient arrow]

Here's my map idea
https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1379999978373648414

Also yeah, the amount of waterfowl on the maps is ridiculous and often makes me avoid maps with them
Even Vurhonga Savannah was ruined by them

[sleek isle]

What exactly is so bad about birds? Hunting isn't only big game, and having a second reserve in the Rocky Mountains without Dusky Grouse would have been absurd, and many people have been calling for more common North American waterfowl (especially the 3 we got; snow goose, pintail, and wood duck) for years now, largely starting with the disappointing lack of birds on Mississippi. I'm especially excited about Dusky Grouse since we were robbed of any kind of grouse being on SRP, NEM, Rancho, and Yukon despite the existence of grouse species in the locales those reserves occupy.

Small game often makes a map, and I think the inclusion of 7 birds on Askiy Ridge is perfectly valid.

A well-rounded map, specifically one in North America, should absolutely include a rather sizable collection of bird species since birds are so important to hunting in North America. Of course, I would have personally exchanged the mallard for another grouse species or snowshoe hare, but I nonetheless find the inclusion of birds and other small game important. Having a reserve with no birds just makes it medium/big game only and leaves out a major portion of hunting not just in the US and Canada but throughout much of the planet.

[ancient arrow]

See I agree because I always like a range of game on a map

Though for the love of God, fix the sound on the waterfowl

[sleek isle]

Agreed, many of them are mixed to be way too loud, and Widgeon should be removed Vurhonga since they dont even venture far enough South to end up in the reserve's area IRL.

[ancient arrow]

I'm rly big into Africa so that map is especially one I have problems with

Mostly that it's a hodge podge of stuff rather than a clear, focused vision

IMO, the best maps have a clear idea of what they want

[brave stump]

We need good missions again

BRING BACK THE BADENS!!!

[coral tulip]

I think a bigger issue Is just not utilizing rifles of other actions and different ammo types. Just being honest as a grinder the packs I truly need is modern rifles and high caliber. But some grinds I love using bolt actions like 375 on my moose or 303 on my non trophy foxes ( 22-250 still my favorite class 2 rifle to use on trophy foxes ) ultimately semi auto doesn’t always equal better grinding weapon. Something that I have noticed is that e.w seems to go back and forth between bolt action and semi auto but forget about other actions ( other then 44 mag ) no weapon pack has a lever action and few have break actions and I think the reason for it is because they set it up that way before grinding became a “big” thing, like weapon pack 3 had a bolt action 30-06 in 2019 and then in early 2020 we got the smoking barrels pack which had the m1 also in 30-06 all of which were out before the first g1 ( 2021 ) ever came out and same for 300 coming out in 2019 with Yukon. So I think they just added too good of rifles early on and just have to keep trying to improve upon what they’ve added trying to top 1 over and over again, sometimes they do, other times they don’t and other times there’s a lot of wtf moments like 300blk being like 3rd best on class 3 animals and can’t work on class 2. Just being honest last weapon pack wasn’t great, sks has too much bullet drop for my liking and the others were rounds we already had and both already semi autos of.

[simple trout]

Long story line missions are Great!

[brave stump]

I ain't reading allat

[stone sequoia]

See, my problem is that EW treats birds as an easy way out and most of the returning bird species on AR have been a bit over done at this point.

[coral tulip]

Cough cough pheasant and mallards

[sleek isle]

I can agree as far as overdone for mallards for sure, also canada goose but having canada without canada goose might have been odd.

as far as pheasant go Im happy to finally have them on a snow map, and honestly would have liked mallard replaced with sage grouse and canada goose with snowshoe hare

[brave stump]

As I always say, blame the people regulating the idea people

[arctic trellis]

I feel as though there may have been a slight misunderstanding here, I did not state in anyway for there to be no birds nor small game in order for a map to be considered good or well rounded. Bird hunting in NA is a staple, that cannot be argued. The issue I have is what animals didn’t make the cut due to mallards, and pheasants being prioritized? For instance, one of those spots could’ve been allocated to the wolverine.

[sleek isle]

imo i wouldve left wolverine for a proper arctic map and put in badger instead if we're replacing pheasants with a mustelid

[brave stump]

Imo, the wolveweiner would stand out too much and take away attention that EW wants to be put on beavers and the other new animals

[brave stump]

I think a UK map with a European Badger would be better for that

Because the European badger is cooler

[sleek isle]

different badgers

plus we got an open snowy grass field american badgers love living in

[stone sequoia]

I don’t see why not. They live in similar areas to woodland caribou.

[sleek isle]

most of their southerly extent of their range is in BC, so imo they make more sence for a more arctic map

[vague jacinth]

#1377484798989176893

[signal nymph]

Constantly annoying noise from ducks and geese. Only that. Not ducks and geese. Ducks and geese noise on/off can solved this problem. But devs stay indifferent.

[barren field]

Wolverine would have made sense on this new map as well. Look at this home range below.. Also Alberta just lifted Wolverine harvest limits. They are perfect for subarctic BC map and full artic map also. I would have loved to see them on all 3 maps.

[ancient arrow]

Put them in the Alaska map

[barren field]

They have to be on a map first for that to happen because thats how EW does it now. This new map could have been the map but it's not.

[ancient arrow]

They can be added later here then

Like the lions

[sand glacier]

Tbh I don’t remember EW ever specifically saying that. They added Lions, Gemsbok, Mallards, and European Rabbits all without them being added to a new map first,

[static dove]

It is also odd for me to see Askiy Ridge without the Canada Lynx because this map is Canadian and the name “Canada” is in the name of the species.

[barren field]

Jaxy said it in a stream. You can go back and watch them i guess if you dont believe me.

I remember one time in a stream someone was asking for an animal remodel and he said give us a map that would allow us to remodel them. That was one instance. Then another one he was explaining to someone that they want to do them when they work on a new map that has that animal.

[static dove]

Yes, this used to work before. However, I believe EW is no longer going to do that, as @barren field explained. This has reduced the chances of creating more African maps. Salzwiesen Park and Asiky Ridge are proof of that.

[static dove]

It seems that map creation works this way. I don't think EW is going to do any backfilling of old maps with new species (like Dall Sheep or Wolverine in Yukon) without creating maps specifically for those species (like BC, for example).

[barren field]

It definitely is looking that way. I know on several occasions Jaxy said they prefer new maps over backfills. BC could bring some missing animals that are needed. I doubt we will see anytime soon though unfortunately. I wouldn't be shocked if the next map is a map to remodel European animals then an African map with remodels possibly

[static dove]

It seems that Vurhonga Savanna is a stepping stone toward creating a new African map. We need to analyze candidate regions in Africa based on the animal species already present in Vurhonga, in order to maximize the use of existing models for remodeling. Species like the Cape Buffalo, Lion, Warthog, and Side-Striped Jackal are commonly found and would serve well as backfilled species in a new map.
From there, they could select additional species for a third African map, successively.

However, it’s possible that EW isn’t interested in developing another African map unless it includes a African Great One species, and there are not actually.

[tulip elbow]

Agreed

[prime radish]

Trust me when I say this ... Game development is a business ... every hour that a dev works on a game has to be associated with a project that will ultimately bring in revenue. Just doing back fills without an associated project to justify cost and pay salaries is a losing situation that no business can justify ....

The revenue model that EW/AV has chosen is DLC and so they have to recoup costs through selling DLC. If they went to a subscription model where there was a more steady stream of revenue they might have a little more freedom but it is what it is .....

[grave wigeon]

Based on existing animals and EW's recent openness to subspecies, the regions I'd put forward are Northern Zimbabwe/Botswana, Southern Zimbabwe/Northern South Africa, or the Waterberg region of South Africa. Now I know there's opposition to South Africa because EW falsely calls vurhonga South Africa and Botswana but a propper bushveld map would play entirely differently to vurhonga.

With reference to Northern South Africa and the Waterberg region, there's maximum animal recycle/remodel potential as Waterberg has all but Lesser Kudu and eurasion widgeon whilst Northern SA has all but Eurasion Widgeon, Lesser Kudu and Springbok.

Personally, I think a plains game themed map in SA Sour Bushveld or Mopane scrub would hold the line for a while in the event that EW isn't willing to or isn't able to implement the big boys like Elephant, Giraffe, Hippo and rhino

[median cypress]

Arkansas, Texas or Oklahoma would be better in my opinion

[fickle cipher]

Better then the Arctic? or Nebraska?

[median cypress]

Nebraska, I would rather get rice fields and flooded timber through Arkansas or wigeon and sandhill through Texas and Oklahoma

[prime pasture]

I am still confused Nebraska doesn't exist it's like Tennessee and Iowa absolutely npc states with 0 people living there

[sinful river]

I'm glad they did just because I wanted to be able to hunt whitetail and mule deer on same map and I hate rancho, but that's just me.

[coral tulip]

I wouldn’t mind more whitetail, if their normal antlers looked good

[ancient arrow]

I'd really rather get another actually unique map with unique game

[stone sequoia]

It’s a big stopping point in the Central Flyway.

[vague jacinth]

Now, we might have problems. I grew up in Tennessee and I can tell you there's a lot there. Mostly shiners and briar patches, but still

[prime pasture]

Lmao

[vague jacinth]

If we're gonna do flooded timber after Mississippi Acres then I'd rather have Australia. Barmah forest is a good starting point. Wallabies, water buffalo, Sambar, feral pigs, and more crocodiles

[sand glacier]

They’d have to bring in more Waterfowl if they did this imo. Flooded Timber just feels weird without waterfowl (and make it so the crocs don’t spook them for the love of god)

[vague jacinth]

We have FAR TOO MANY waterfowl heavy maps, there's other things to hunt there

[sand glacier]

We have like 3 waterfowl heavy maps. Plus, we have an Aussie map already with most of the species that could be hunted outside of the Outback, barring Water Buffalo and maybe Freshwater Crocodiles. Having a few of Australias waterfowl species (Gray Teal, Hardhead, Maned Duck, Pink-Eared Duck, and Pacific Black Duck are all options), wouldn’t hurt.

[timid briar]

I do agree, Alberta will be fun, but they don’t listen to us in the community. Not many people really wanted Alberta, but so many people want Arctic Canada/Alaska. So many remodels we have been wanted for years but still haven’t got. I do wonder what their Priorities really are.

[vague jacinth]

I'll be honest, I absolutely hate waterfowl, I was playing before they started sticking birds on ever my single map and the constant noise and call markers made me hate them. I still do, very much. And there's a huge number of small game that gets overlooked because they can just throw birds on a map and call it a day.

Mallards are on 6 maps, all those maps had at least one kind of unique small game animal that could have been there instead

[sand glacier]

And I agree with you on the Mallard part, I’d prefer if they added a unique species of Bird/Small game on maps (Black Swans and Pūkeko on Te, American Black Duck and Mottled Duck on Mississippi, Scaled Quail on SRP, etc), but I personally love waterfowl, and while I think they should get rid of the “fleeing” calls for them, I think they should be on most maps.

[vague jacinth]

Even a volume slider for the calls and an option for ignoring the sound cues of waterfowl would improve a huge amount of the issues with waterfowl tho

[sand glacier]

Classic has that, so COTW should too

[vague jacinth]

Classic did quite a few things way better than cotw has

[dark imp]

They could have at least added ptarmigan instead of pheasant, but they just want GOs so grinders stream gameplay of this map. Might as well just change the game's name to TheGrinder.

[vague jacinth]

Apparently their priorities lie with selling DLC to the point they'll handicap a RESERVE SPECIFIC WEAPON to sell their other reskinned weapons

[dark imp]

Remember how bad the muzzle loader from NEM was compared to the old one. It has always been like this with reserve weapons.

[vague jacinth]

You know it's funny, I thought this would be a little different since they did the Moradi decently but I'm apparently just stupid for thinking they'd actually change anything

[regal elk]

The 30-30 is the same. No changes. That's a HUGE bummer.

And I gotta get it through missions? It's probably gonna be purchasable like the gandhare, but if it still sucks why would I even bother

[prime radish]

Selling DLC means loading it down with as many G1 species as possible .... And throw in a Half A$$ reserve weapon just because they're supposed to ....

At least when we had Jaxy he knew how to polish a pile of 💩 .... Now they can't even do that ....

[vague jacinth]

Well, I did learn something from this. CotW takes up a ton of space and I've apparently bought 46 dlcs plus the base game for 2 consoles

[prime radish]

What a waste of an opportunity to make a really amazing reserve .... Instead of an A it's going to be a D at best .... Beavers, Better Snow and Lots of G1 Species ....

And the thing with G1's are that you can only grind for one at a time unless you want it to take twice as long to spawn one .....

[vague jacinth]

And that's if you care about GO'S in the first place

[prime radish]

I would sincerely like to hear some honest and open comments from the Dev team on their decision making process with regard to weapons (especially rifles) in this game .... Why do these decisions seem so arbitrary and careless ???

Its can't really be a balance issue ... The way it is now there is no balance .... its just ridiculous that I have to carry 3 or 4 different rifles on a hunt when I could just carry the appropriate ammo ???? Instead of only 2 choices in ammo (soft and hard point ) we should have 3 or 4 for each caliber ....

I understand its a tall order to fix this cluttered mess all at once but at least be moving in the right direction even if you have to do it one or 2 weapons at a time ... At least we will know that you recognize this is an issue that needs to be addressed ...

In reality let me carry the single weapon that I want to carry and make the ammo loads available to ethically kill the animal that I'm trying to hunt ....

[vague jacinth]

That would make too much sense

[signal nymph]

Devs could to sell us dlc with ammo instead guns. 😎

[prime radish]

I would be okay with that but many wouldn't .... It would probably require some kind of change to the weapon itself as well ... But it could definitely be done in increments ....

I think one big issue for them is that their UI is so limited they would have to overhaul it to make 3 or 4 loads per weapon easier to access. The inventory UI is just as big a mess as their weapons .....

[signal nymph]

I would buy buffed ammo for 270, 6.5, 30-30 and 45-70. One dlc against years of waiting.

[prime radish]

Thats whats so frustrating for me is that they had an opportunity to fix an obvious problem with the .30-30 ... And they could have recouped their dev costs with this DLC but instead of fixing the problem they just threw a skin on it .....

If I wanted a cosmetic change I could have done that to the whitlock myself ....

And that image of the gun with obviously different ammo laying by it was just an insult .... It was either grossly incompetent or a big joke to say we could have fixed it but we didn't want to ...

[grave wigeon]

I genuinely belive that EW really doesn't have even a basic understanding of firearms in a hunting context and they display 0 interest to bridge that gap. It's really quite sad considering in most other aspects CotW is really brilliant

[static dove]

I think EW doesn't see productive gameplay in the new ammo (3-7) for the new mission weapon when the beaver (Class 2) is the star of Askiy Ridge.
I understand the frustration in the Community. We have the time to make them change the ammo, but it seems hopeless.

[simple trout]

It’s a shame to see so many people who have contributed to many ideas in this discord that are just disappointed. 🫤

[snow jackal]

In this regard it is worth noting a shift related to giving the base game away free. Having core players and a G1 goal are balanced out by new player enjoyment of smaller attainable items. Quatro and Sundarpatan weapons fall on opposites sides of scale rewarding experienced players. The other large components to consider hindering enjoyment are OP weapons becoming not very fun or having too many too similar. A surge of interest towards in-game weapon that isn't directly included with map. An interest that changes and matures with realities that come to light from extended playing time. This is very healthy, if a bit sophisticated of logic for certain playstyles.

[pure elk]

I agree. Love Huxley, but he's bumming me out right now and I honestly can't blame him. I will say I enjoy most of what is put out by EW, except for the excessive weapon skin DLCs, but there is so much more they can do with this game. I do see some features in this new map that show they've been listening to us, but those shouldn't exactly be the key selling points of the new map.

[granite bolt]

Upon my request I suggested Tier 1 ammo to cover the lowest authentic game range & Tier 2 covers the highest authentic range. Pretty much matching the Hudzik 3-7/4-8. This shouldnt be difficult & I full heartedly agree with you.

[timid briar]

Excessive weapon skins DLC’s? They all came out at the same time and the only ones are just map skins? I really don’t see the problem with them, and can’t see what your point is supposed to be.

[granite bolt]

I agree the last 2 releases SP & AR both have many requests answered but when it comes to weapons & gear they fall short & they shouldn't be considering they make up 1/3 of the game. In this case I expected EW to follow their MO on reserve releases further justifying it to pair well with the Game in the reserve just as they did with the Gandhare 4-8 reclassed to 4-9, SP O/U 10ga birdshot reclassed to 1-2 to justify it on a C1-2 only reserve. I see no reason why the new 30-30 also shouldn't pair well here esp with a new Elk. It wouldve made sense if beavers are C:2 to have the new 30-30 2-6/3-7 so its a combo of old & new or.....reclassed to 2-7 to pair well with the Moradi at 3-8. I'm looking fwd to the new reserve even though they really overlooked the oppertunity to add Grizzly, Wolverines, Canadian Lynx, & Snow Hares. I can get passed that if EW releases them in an Arctic Release, but the 30-30.....this should've been more exclusive & pair more with the Game in the reserve over a reskin. Also shame on EW for advertising it with a screenshot with new ammo & showing a reveal reusing base game ammo, again shame on you.

[dark imp]

What does everyone think about the new patch ?

[coral tulip]

Overall seems like a good update, just the 30-30 sucks. Can’t wait to stay up all night and download it immediately! I’m super excited for the bighorn sheep

[barren field]

I think it's going to be an excellent map. Not sure about the choices for remodels. There are animals that are older than the ones that got remodeled. I dont understand the choices but im sure they have a reason. I hope lol. Im just hoping species like , Elk , Coyotes, Grizzly, Mt lion and Black-tail get some love. There is definitely others that need it as well. Those are just my personal wants.

[granite bolt]

My issues at 1st glance the Mule Deer G1 is defn. done dirty from what I've seen compared to the Whitetail & Moose. EW please quit with the fantasy trope & keep things as close to being authentic as possible. The 30-30 Outrider I seen was given a buff & art rework so I'm hoping it covers C:7 Game. It most likely wont but I can keep asking; I'll likely use it anyway for the Elk & Blk Bear even if its still a 2-6. But with the ugly out of the way EW appears to be rather ambitious with this release which is a huge boon fwd provided it doesn't release a monster bug with the update 🤞😅🤞 The reworks, multiple world & gear fixes, animations are most welcomed. The visuals from early previews are absolutely stunning as a whole & I'm very impressed minus the 2 earlier mentioned points. I hope the snow feature gets added to Medved & I'm anxious to see the new predator behaviors. On that note I'm still saddened this location doesn't have Grizzly, Canadian Lynx, Wolverines, & Snow hares.

[dark imp]

I think they could make GOs unique and keep them realistic, something like the plants on red deer or scars on black bear. However, they decided to make pokemons.

[granite bolt]

The Red Deer G1 is actually based on the EU legend of the Great Stag. Think of it as the king or guardian of the forest so that made sense. Whitetail & Moose G1's also look natural. Black Bear looks like it has stars on it but I havn't seen 1 in a lodge to get a closer look though if its battle scar'd that would make sense. Fallow G1's I've heard the antler models are all wrong but they look natural without some fantasy vibe. Pheasant...must I say more 😮‍💨 Red Fox some look natural others just look cool but still out there. Tahr I have no idea but the skull face...again looks cool but I'm sure a more natural pattern or unique variation exists. Think I've gone over all the G1's except mule deer but on that note. I'm sry EW but...uh...what am I even looking at bc its defn. Not a Mule Deer?!?!?!?!

[prime radish]

Lets be honest ..... Where does EW's Priorities lie ????

[coral tulip]

I mean that’s every company

[barren field]

If i had a gaming business that's where my priorities would lie. 🤣

[ancient arrow]

Yeah but you can do multiple things at once

[signal nymph]

I waited the mule g1 because of it's size allowed not to limit the artist fantasy. But now it has divided us into lovers of fantasy and abnormalities. Red deer G1 fairly called the Fabled. Others are abnormalities. Although the Fallow deer g1 looks like a heir an Irish elk. (Fabled 50/50). In another side this gave me a good reason to think. Is it worth spending time to abnormalities or not. Because I like only fairy tails.

[dark imp]

Not just GOs, even some recent animals like the tiger.

[ancient arrow]

And besides, wouldn't Arctic and Africa 2.0 sell like hotcakes?

[tulip elbow]

Not to mention South America 2.0 with Jaguars, Tapirs, Otters, Anacondas and Camian

[ancient arrow]

Exactly

[tulip elbow]

Which I don’t know why, but I have a feeling something deep down that that’s the next reserve…. And I would like it if it is if the next great one Is a great one Jaguar. As cool as the Thar was on SUNDARPATAN, I will admit I know a lot of people think that the great one there should’ve been the Bengal tiger but whatever so I do think the next predator great one should be a feline and if it is in South America 2.0 then the Jaguar is the perfect choice

[vague jacinth]

Honestly, that'd be another map I'd have no reason to buy

[wicked mica]

It would be an awful map to hunt in because of how dense the map would be with foliage

[digital viper]

EXACTLY
Are they allergic to money?!

They know that virtually everyone wants Africa 2.0 and the Arctic, but they keep not avoiding them for as long as they can

[wicked mica]

Texas would also sell pretty well I think

So many species you could chuck in there

[vague jacinth]

Honestly, a really good Texas map with nilgai, pere David deer, water buffalo, alligator and a bolt .338 Short magnum I'd pay 12$ with no issue.

A PROPER ARCTIC MAP including musk ox, walrus, and polar bears at least on the very northern edge of the map with a decent 5-9 rifle like a .358 Winchester lever action, I'd pay 15$ for with no issue.

Africa 2.0, with a .416 bolt action, hippos, leopards, eland, crocodiles, Sable, and impala would be easily worth 15$ to me. Honestly, if they added a .458 single shot like a ruger No.1 with the .416. I'd be okay with 18$

[tulip elbow]

We need cheetahs and leopards in Africa and 2.0!

[prime radish]

I like the Idea that they redid the world map .... it shows they are making room for more reserves ....
Although before they add any more reserves I would really like at least one new trophy Lodge ....

[median cypress]

If they do a new lodge please fix all of the bugs that are already in the game that deal with the lodges.

[prime radish]

yes a big lodge rework would be great .... fix bugs and add features that the community have already suggested ....

[grave wigeon]

The thing I want most from CotW at this point is just a propper bushveld map. I'm not too worried about exactly what kind of bushveld it is but a sourveld or mopaneveld map would be really great. I personally love hunting antelope so my picks for the map would be very antelope heavy with some of the more iconic animals but not including elephant and lion for instance, so I don't think it'd be a suitable Africa 2.0 unless EW wants to risk a community revolt.

Good bushveld, a nice .375 H&H model and good antelope and I'm a happy chappie

[prime pasture]

That's my fear with Africa that we don't get any Africa maps because ew fears that there will be backlash if there isn't elephant and 40 species

[grave wigeon]

That is a pretty big issue and possibly why the seem so distant to the idea

[prime pasture]

It makes me sad, Africa is so much more then just the big 5, just think of all the medium and small game

[vague jacinth]

Honestly I'd be very happy with an antelope heavy map and big focus on leopards. They could maybe add a river delta area with crocs or hippos for the big game flavor but as long as they clearly stated it was the first of two African maps they were working on I'd say people would be way more accepting to the idea of not having elephant in it

[slender quartz]

I mean I'd take a map with a bunch of new plains game if they can't make Elephants work. Give me Greater Kudu, Eland, Impala, Sable, throw in Ostriches and/or Zebras too along with some reworks to old species, and I think I'd be fine with that. That's just my opinion though.

obviously I still want Elephants, but in my opinion EW doesn't have to wait for them to be possible before they can make another African map

[vague jacinth]

They've shown with beavers they're willing to try new mechanics, so here's my idea. The map is by and large every flavor of antelope they care to add, crocs, maybe hippos if they do a river delta thing so we can have kob and waterbuck
But
The big thing is leopards, with tree climbing mechanics. Nothing too complicated, just climbing certain trees and laying on the branches and maybe a hanging bait interaction in feed zones.

If they were willing to do something like this, pair it with a really old school style of rifle like a 9.3x62mm or a .338 and told us up front the map was to test leopards and a second African map geared toward bigger game was still in the works I'd be more than happy to pay for it and wait for the big one

[prime radish]

What they did with beavers makes me hope they will add rutting animations as well ... Bucks and Bulls fighting and Chasing Does .... That would be incredible to watch ..... Would add so much to the game ....

[static dove]

For the next African map, I would be okay without the elephant, but it would be better to have a hippopotamus, rhinoceros, and at least leopards.

I am not sure if a predator like a leopard has a preference for selected prey as bait. I’d like to hear your opinion of experience.

[prime pasture]

Leopards are famous for killing Impala but generally target any medium sized ungulates and even procupines, cheetah are well known for killing gazelles and smaller antelope species.

[grave wigeon]

I did some research a while ago on the preferred prey of leopards and the results were essentially, In an environment where Impala are dominant they're the main source of food, In an environment where Bushbuck are dominant, they're the primary source and in an environment where neither are present, its whatever they can find like fish, lizards, birds, porcupine, jackal, livestock or pets, anything they can find and that presents an opportunity

[static dove]

Can hippopotamus bait attract leopards, even though it is not part of their usual live prey options?

[ancient arrow]

Probably; food is food

[static dove]

Some professional hunters say that leopards never come to baboon bait. Baboons are part of their diet, but they don’t work as well as bait. It’s interesting.
Surely, impalas and warthogs are the best bait for leopards.

[ancient arrow]

I'd use zebra. One zebra can give 5 leopard baits and apparently leopards think zebra is delish

https://youtu.be/O1KHXXpTkd8

I also wouldn't be surprised if, like sailors and other nautical type peeps, African professional hunters are stupidly superstitious regarding things like this

[static dove]

It is a smart plan

[grave wigeon]

As in, hippopotamus meat ?
I think it will, its just not as easy to use or get as an antelope.
Untamed Knife company recently put out a video on their YouTube channel called "the golden prince" and its all about a hunt for a leopard. You can see quite nicely in that video how they set up bait and a blind for the leopard.

[snow jackal]

Avoiding grammatical errors and this that this was posted by 😘 AYO Liam @stone sequoia . You kids need to delve down to the fun and leave pop pxcho to the ntucases. Make the game fun with your contributions! Hungry hungry hippos and no dire absolutes based in reality. Better storylines with more/less horrid interpretations of cultures you have never experienced or understand. Let the stories unfold.

[stone sequoia]

How dare I not use AI to make myself look “smarter” lol.
Come back when your daily message limit runs out and you have to talk like a human.

[sleek isle]

wha

[mortal marlin]

talk about grammatical errors and you got like 3 of them 😭 🙏

[snow jackal]

"Where do EW's priorities lie"

Intentional and unintentional misspelling.

Also, clear as day what I meant. Quit crapping on everything.

[sleek isle]

it really isnt clear tho my guy; like what is "pop pxcho" and how is the sentence fragment "Hungy hungry hippos and no dire absolutes based in reality" understandable

[stone sequoia]

Ad Hominem
Ignoratio Elenchi

[mortal marlin]

did you tell chatgpt to purposely put spelling mistakes in your messages to make it sound more human

[snow jackal]

Games are fun, one hopes. Googling info is pretty dull imo.

[mortal marlin]

What the hell does this mean

[stone sequoia]

This isn’t a confession box, counter my points without ai.

[mortal marlin]

Give me a cupcake recipe

[snow jackal]

Glad you are happy to keep therapists hovering. I myself am not much for pop psych or arguing online.

[mortal marlin]

Yes you are. You are very much for arguing online. Literally every point you make is against something while also making nothing of it. Not a single one of your messages makes any sense

[snow jackal]

Latin was cute. I'll give you that Liam.

[snow jackal]

Attention spans and cognizance align.

[tulip elbow]

We need Cheetahs and Leopards in Africa 2.0 END OF STORY! It just wouldn’t be right without these two Large and beautiful spotted cats!

[vague jacinth]

I'd like to know why they seem so interested in grinding as a playstyle, I understand that grinders I put more hours into the game than most but it's not the only playstyle and they aren't paying more than the rest of us either. It seems like they're afraid to put out a map without a great one or multiple of them.

I'd like to know why they're doing so much to favor that playstyle

[signal nymph]

DD33 plays in rl hunt style. Usually 1-5 thousands views 5-10 comments. Scarecrow plays in grind style. Usually from 10 thousands views and tens comments. Tomorrow he shows first G1 mule. There will be peoples there like at football game. Grind is a base play style now and priority for devs. But the paradox is that that an ordinary hunter bring of more moneny then an ordinary grinder. Because grinders want only maps with g1. That's why devs didn't create maps without multiple g1 now.

[mortal marlin]

That's also DD33, tbf

[sleek isle]

The guy who openly bragged about gutshotting a mule deer and saying that shot placement into the vitals doesnt matter cause the deer dies anyways 😂

Dont forget the flagrant narcissism and megalomaniacal ego.

-# And the Lot Lizard incident 💀

[mortal marlin]

Tuff🥶

[fickle cipher]

I knew about the gut-shot mule deer but a lot lizard, I did not know about that

[sleek isle]

yeah, ive also heard rumor that hes had personal problems with relationships cause he's a gaslighting/abusive bastard but that might just be attempts at character assassination

[prime pasture]

I think the issue is DD33, the thumbnails don't help much either

[vague jacinth]

Fair but none of that really clears up why the devs are obsessed with grinding

[sand glacier]

They literally said that they didn’t want to do an Arctic map because they didn’t think they could do animals like Walrus, Seals, or even Polar Bears justice as of now. I assume the same goes for Africa 2.0, because we all know for a damn fact if they make Africa 2.0 and don’t bring Elephants, Hippos, etc, people are gonna go Bat-Guano insane and lose their ever loving minds, because this community can never appreciate anything

[vague jacinth]

Idk, I think if they did a map with heavy plains game, and leopards with tree mechanics I'd say people would like it. If they came out and said they testing new mechanics and a big game map was still in the works I think people would accept it

[sleek isle]

reasonable people like me and you would Huxley but you have to also account for the entitled jackwads and the annoying preteens who lied abt their age and made an account before theyre old enough to have one

[vague jacinth]

Tell me honestly,

What would be lost if they quit playing?

[sleek isle]

Nothing.

Everything would be gained

[vague jacinth]

To the people who say "Money" I want you to remember this game is on gamepass

[vocal scaffold]

Maybe it's just me but elephants and all that feel too much for the game and not something the game truly needs rn a break from maps could be nice to focus on remodels, backfills or even a lodge rework/update

[sleek isle]

im also generally disinterested in them apart from how theyd look in the lodge just cause theyre so huge theyd be easy targets

id prefer a plains game map honestly

give me blesbok

[vocal scaffold]

I want waterbuck and nile lechwe the most
(Maybe rock hyrax)

[digital viper]

Ew suffers from overthinking it syndrome

The whole we can’t do it justice thing just doesn’t make any sense, they’ve done so much right like tigers, snow leopards, and salt water crocs. Can’t do it justice is a pretty lame excuse when we’ve seen them do great before

And the reason people would go crazy if they didn’t add elephants and such to a second African map is because they’ve taken so long to actually touch anything African related that now people expect the big 5. If they made a second African map several years ago people would be more forgiving if they didn’t add them

And the community doesn’t appreciate anything take is so not true. Sundarpaton, emerald coast, new scopes, and the ability to put skins on more than just guns was definitely appreciated by the community

[vague jacinth]

Honestly yeah, take a break to update all the rifles, do some reworks that are desperately needed, and update the maps a little I'd be happy. If you need cash, do a mega weapon pack.

Give us like 8 new guns for reworked calibers and boom. Easy 12$ a pop. I'd love a ruger no.1, preferably in a couple different calibers

[digital viper]

They just did a whole bunch of remodels. There’s really only a handful of species that really need TLC now

[vague jacinth]

.308 lever action wouldn't hurt my feelings either

[grave wigeon]

I wonder why they don't just put a poll out to see how people, or at least those invested enough to participate, really feel about Africa 2.0 without the pachyderms or with limited pachyderms.

[vague jacinth]

Honestly, a half dozen hippos would be enough for me. Gimme a .416 and plenty of antelopes and I'd be super happy with it

[grave wigeon]

Id take Rhino over hippo but its much of a muchness, the core think is that we need a good Africa 2.0

[vague jacinth]

I want hippo specifically so I can wade through waist high swamps with reeds over my head and a .470 with a red dot waiting for a charge

[grave wigeon]

ok that'd be pretty awesome
a Norther Zim hunting concession based map is in order then I think, then we can get a bunch of awesome antelope + lechwe and puku

[vague jacinth]

I want to have the kind of experiences that you tell your grandkids about and know they'll never have the bal*s to try it

[dark imp]

My wishlist for arctic species before they announced the map is really sad

arctic hare
snow goose
king eider
willow ptarmigan

arctic fox
wolverine
wolf (RW)

caribou (RW)
dall sheep
musk ox

grizzly bear (RW)
polar bear
walrus

only 3

[signal nymph]

It's hard to believe that people who intentionally reduced predators aggression will give us Elephants, hippo etc. Because is a dangerous hunt. Even wolves do flee or attack slowly now.

[sick falcon]

They made the lions and Cape buffalo way more docile than they were and should be. I can remember sneaking through Vurhonga and getting charged by a lion or buff out of no where. They decided that catering to a noob who bought all the dlc and doesn’t know what he’s doing is more important than making interesting and exciting stuff. Wolves used to be a big threat on Yukon but now wolves are kinda lame, they still attack under the right circumstance.

[signal nymph]

I'm understand devs. If new customers afraid wolves and lions they won't buy these maps. But in another side it turn of hunting game into arcade. Fur and g1 collecting competition. And then irl occur tragedy. Because lion, brown bear, grizzly puma and wolf should flee. They should? yes?.... rip.

[sick falcon]

Yeah the game became a grindfest yet more realistic in a few ways somehow. The aggression definitly shouldn't cabelas dangerous hunts levels but around a 1 in 10 odds would feel right for lion and buffalo, 1 in 20 for wounded brown and grizzly bears. Wolves are pretty good for the most part honestly, but having the pack go aggressive every now and then is still nice to see. Just not like yukon on release when you could drive a lap around the map and have every wolf chasing you.

[signal nymph]

I liked Yukon just because wolves aggression. And Vurhonga because lions and buffaloes. Now I don't hunt in these maps. Nerf of predators are boring. We need compromise. Toggle of aggression. Low/normal/dangerous.

[sick falcon]

That would definitely be the best way to do it.