Alberta Reserve Update Prediction

[bronze swallow]

• Species List:

  • Wood Bison ( class 9 ) - New
  • Moose ( class 8 )
  • Manitoban Elk ( class 7 ) - New
  • Black Bear ( class 7 )
  • Woodland Caribou ( class 6 ) - New
  • Gray Wolf ( class 6 )
  • Mule Deer ( class 5 ) - Great One
  • Bighorn Sheep ( class 5 )
  • Rocky Mountain Goat ( class 4 )
  • Whitetail Deer ( class 4 )
  • Pronghorn ( class 3 )
  • Canadian Lynx ( class 2 ) - New
  • North American Beaver ( class 2 ) - New
  • Spruce Grouse ( class 1 ) - New
  • Dusky Grouse ( class 1 ) - New
  • Snowshoe Hare ( class 1 ) - New
  • Northern Pintail ( class 1 ) - New
  • Wood Duck ( class 1 ) - New
  • Snow Goose ( class 1 ) - New

• Species Rework/Remodel:

  • European Bison
  • Plains Bison
  • Roosevelt Elk
  • Rocky Mountain Elk
  • Reindeer
  • Caribou
  • Gray Wolf - New furs variants
  • Iberian Wolf
  • Mule Deer - New antler variants
  • Bighorn Sheep
  • Rocky Mountain Goat
  • Pronghorn

• Backfilling:

  • Bighorn Sheep in Layton Lake.
  • Wood Duck in Mississippi Acres.

[umbral lynx]

maybe mouflon remodel aswell sine bighorn got one

[bronze swallow]

the truth, is possible

[umbral lynx]

i hope we get wolverine

[rare sorrel]

dont forget to backfill beavers on several maps Layton, Nem, MA .... really most any map those guys are so prolific

[bronze swallow]

The beavers are the star of the update, I highly doubt they will add them to other maps.

[rare sorrel]

Not right away I agree

[umbral lynx]

i dont think they will ever backfill beavers since it seems they are build into the map

[sour musk]

I think we're gonna see beavers as a returning species on more future maps. Maybe we'll get another European map and it will have Eurasian Beavers, sort of like what they did with Turkeys

[rare sorrel]

If they backfill tahr then beavers are possible

[sour musk]

what I really want to see is a beaver backfill on Yukon Valley and Layton, but I think it'll be a while before we get a backfill like that.

[umbral lynx]

thar arent build into the map ...

[rare sorrel]

what do you mean by built In ?

[barren igloo]

The problem is that the water on the old maps will require a rework to accommodate the Beaver's swimming

[rare sorrel]

Im also wonder if "advanced snow" will also be on Medved and Yukon?

[sour musk]

that's the real issue here. That's why I always assumed that if we were to get beavers, they would come on a new map first, rather than an existing map.

[barren igloo]

Just as you can't place Crocodiles on Vurhonga, it will also be difficult to place Beavers on other maps.

[umbral lynx]

beavers can choop trees down. these trees must have a mechanik which they would need to add to other maps then. they also have lodges and damns which they would need to add to other maps to. much work for an free improvement ... to much

[sour musk]

I think it will at least be on Medved, maybe Yukon too but Yukon doesn't have permanent snow so it's hard to say for sure

[rare sorrel]

well we are not sure if Beavers actually have all those abilities in game or if that was just in the teaser .... We will see .... I agree if beavers have special abilities above swiming then it will be harder to back fill

[barren igloo]

I think the beavers' tree felling will only be an Add-on that will appear in their feeding zones, just like animal carcasses in the predators' feeding grounds.

[rare sorrel]

excited to see the snow accumulation on the backs of animals

[sour musk]

I mean beavers don't necessarily need to chop down trees or build big dams in order to be present in an area. On large river systems, they usually have riverbank lodges that are dug into the riverbank. They can also collect sticks and branches from bushes (especially willow bushes) to repair their structures, they don't only collect woody materials from trees. So really, they don't need to have beaver dams or beavers chewing down trees in order to make them fit on existing maps.

[tough sentinel]

19 SPECIES

Do we know all species on the list?

[rare sorrel]

If they have the ai to interact with trees and build dams then that AI will transfer with the beaver on backfill or they would need to remove it ....

[severe pasture]

We know 12 of the species

[sour musk]

that being said, if beavers are a main selling point of the new map, that probably decreases the likelihood that we'll get them as a backfill for existing maps. So it's more of a matter of "if there's a will, there's a way"

[severe pasture]

My hopes are all for more grouse, pronghorn and sandhill crane would be cool to, maybe (mountain) caribou, duck wise american wigeon is my biggest wish

[sour musk]

my point is, if EW really wants to backfill beavers on the existing maps, they will find a way. If they want people to continue buying the new map specifically for the beavers, then they won't bother with it.

[tough sentinel]

We know 12/19.
Dusky Grouse
Snow Goose
Woodduck

Beaver
Whitetail
Mule Deer
Bighorn
Gray Wolf
Some type of bear?
Elk
Moose
Wood Bison

Thank you, @outer tiger !

[severe pasture]

If I had to choose the remaining species theyd be

-pronghorn
-sage grouse
-spruce grouse
-sandhill crane
-american wigeon
-canada lynx
-ruffed grouse

[sour musk]

no caribou?

[strong scarab]

Seeing as they chose a .30-30 reboot, I'm expecting it to be either beavers or wolves getting a GO

[rare sorrel]

I'm really hoping they make the beaver AI so engaging that it will be a special feature of this map only ..... If they are just another animal that has rest / feed zone then I'll be a little disappointed

[rigid jetty]

Sage grouse and sandhill crane along with Manitoba elk and wood bison is all it would take for me to forgive Dall sheep but I’m still not happy

[severe pasture]

Nah I want dall!

[rigid jetty]

Yeah

[sour musk]

I think the omission of Polar Bears, Walruses, Seals, and probably Dall Sheep is an indication that they're saving those species for a proper Arctic map in the future.

[severe pasture]

Mot on the wishlist, there ok but I want more american birds, there lacking. Id rather see caribou on an Arctic map which is inevitable
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[rare sorrel]

dont forget MuskOx

[sour musk]

I mean that makes sense, but it would just be weird imo if there's no Caribou on a map with Wood Bison when their ranges overlap quite a bit

[strong scarab]

We know of 12 species, at least for now, so that's 7 unaccounted for

[rare sorrel]

Im still hopping elk is the next G1 ..... which includes having them on Layton and SRP as well .... I know its a different species but G1's are really fantasy animals so they could be a conglomerate of all 3 species

[sour musk]

beavers with their swimming behavior might be a test run for more semi-aquatic animals in the future, like otters, seals, walrus, polar bears, etc.

[tough sentinel]

I copy you

If I had to choose the remaining species they be

-Ruffed Grouse
-White-tailed Ptarmigan
-Snowshoe Hare
-Wolverine
-Canada Lynx
-Remodeled Grizzly Bear (In the trailer it is Black Bear) 2 Bears
-Mountain Goat

[strong scarab]

GO beaver, oddly enough, is my guess but I'd prefer wolves

[sour musk]

I mean I am hoping for both Black Bears and Grizzlies on the new map because I just really want a map with both bears

[tough sentinel]

They can swim, it will be hard to shot

[severe pasture]

With that behavior they could definitely pull of seals or otters 100%

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[rare sorrel]

By engaging we mean downing trees and buildng dams

[sour musk]

plus, now with stuff like Wood Bison and Beavers out of the way, EW can focus more on actual arctic animals for an arctic map (animals like Muskox, Polar Bears, Arctic Foxes, Arctic Wolves, etc.)

[tough sentinel]

Africa is calling EW

[sour musk]

our old expectation for a map that combined many parts of northwestern Canada was admittedly a bit stretched thin anyway

[tough sentinel]

For 2030, I think. The rest world is damn empty.

[sour musk]

personally I think they need to update the in-game world map to show just how many other options they are out there. Currently it seems to be based on the Mercator Projection, which makes equatorial regions like Africa, South America, etc. look much smaller than they really are. Maybe once players can more accurately see how many options there are out there we can be a bit more ambitious with what we can expect in the future.

[tough sentinel]

Whooping Cranes, Sage Grouse, and Sharp-tailed Grouse are protected in Alberta.
Sandhill Crane yes is permitted to be hunted in Alberta

[stiff meadow]

Sharp-tailed Grouse can be hunted in Alberta, it simply depends on what Wildlife Management Unit (WMU) you are hunting in

[tough sentinel]

However, in many WMUs, it is prohibited, so I rule it out of the list of potential species.

[stiff meadow]

By that metric the blackbuck should have never been added to Sundarpatan and European Bison should not have appeared on Hirschfelden

[zenith anchor]

no dall sheep is a crime...

[tough sentinel]

Other huntable waterfowl species during the Winter Waterfowl season in Alberta: Pintail.

[covert heart]

honestly the bighorn getting remodeled so they no longer look like they have severe cancer is relieving enough I can wait for Dall Sheep

plus Dall's dont range into alberta iirc, just Stone's and only in small areas, its mainly bighorns

now the question is will mountain goat be on the map and also get remodeled

[tough sentinel]

I understand you

[zenith anchor]

agreed, bighorn remodel was long overdue lol. I hope they remodel mountain goats and add them, they would be a good fit for that map. Stones sheep would be cool as well

[neon thorn]

Not really. I'd wager beavers will function in a similar fashion as the crocs & gators do in the water. On land it'll have its own animation. I'd even suspect that the target tree animations could also be ported & if need be reskined to match other reserve textures. It should be fairly easy to do.

[covert heart]

im also holding out for it being a more encompassing representation of Alberta that includes some prairie land so we can also get pronghorn remodeled

[zenith anchor]

yes! i was hoping for that too

[narrow talon]

Hunting Pronghorn in the snow would be fun. I rifle hunt them a lot, but the season is over by the time we really get any snow. Looking forward to hunting deer, elk, and sheep in the snow though!

[covert heart]

image from the official article released earlier today gives me hope

[narrow talon]

Snow Geese will be fun, but it'll be lacking without them being in such massive flocks. Lol

[ember acorn]

Include one more mountain lion/Puma it feels like I have a feeling that cougars are coming on this map. I don’t know why but I just have that feeling.

[covert heart]

hopefully reworked to be skittish like snow leopards and have small populations so they arent coming out the damn walls like they are on SRP

and also remodeled

please remodeled

[golden plover]

And reclassed

please reclassed

[narrow talon]

Seriously. I'm so tired of them on SRP. They get right in the middle of my bear grind every time, especially at one particular lake.

[neon thorn]

I dont think beavers will be reserve exclusive. Now if we get Wolverines here that I can see being exclusive along with the Manitoban Elk & Wood Bison.

[stiff meadow]

If we don't Wolverines I would be okay with that, it simply means they will show up on an Arctic Reserve in the Future

[neon thorn]

ofc but it seems like a wasted opportunity given the location if EW didn't add them. If I'm honest I expected to have Badgers by now esp. after the Racoon Dogs.

[civic sable]

I think Wolverine should have at least a couple maps. They are too good of a species for just one map.

You think we will get an Elk G1 with the new Elk added. It would be a prime opportunity

[neon thorn]

I'd love to see the Elk get a G1 but I have a strong sense given the Polls we could see a 2x G1 release with Mule Deer & Gray Wolf

[civic sable]

Man I hope you're wrong. Im pretty excited they did add an elk though. Hopefully we see more in the future 🙏

Elk G1, Wolverine, Grizzly, Ruffed Grouse and Sandhill Crane would really sell this map for me if they were some of the missing animals. Pretty sad about Stone Sheep though

[neon thorn]

It would be a grand surprise if we got 3 G1's with this release but I doubt it. Gray Wolves & Elk have been needed for years. And I know a good majority want a Mule Deer G1 even though to me its nothing Special.

[civic sable]

That would be pretty amazing. I want Mule Deer also but Elk is where it's at for me.

[neon thorn]

I'm hoping Frontier Park gets considered after this release. With the reworks, Beavers, & Dusky being rleased its 1 less step needed for Wyoming's species.

[civic sable]

That would be cool🙏

[neon thorn]

If Wolverines get added Badgers would basically be a reskin with burrow attributes instead. Saves time on the concept. They'd just need to do model scale & texture tweaks with animation an audio...done.

[civic sable]

Badger would be cool. Definitely prefer Wolverine but i would love too see Badger also

[neon thorn]

Oh I agree esp. here bc it makes sense. However, if they did add them I'd suspect Badgers would soon follow in future releases.

In any case thus far depending how EW delivers here between narrative, reserve layout, & "IF" it has a strong Game listing it could be my new fav. Reserve. Medved is hard to beat. I just hope they limit this reserve to 3 waterfowl max. I really want EW to do this location right with 16 species (Sm-Med-Lrg Game/Furbearers/Upland Birds) w/3 waterfowl to tie up the 19 cap. & I truly hope EW adds several new species over copy paste for most of them (ofc for those that are repeats I hope to see model reworks)

[sour musk]

I think it's definitely possible for them to be on the new map

[civic sable]

This Alberta Wolverine is looking too see if he's on the map. He looks like he wants to be lol.

[barren igloo]

Okay, let's get specific here XD
According to the Steam store description, the map biomes are (taking into account the real ecoregions of Alberta): Canadian Rockies Alpine / Upper Foothills / Boreal Forest Mixedwoods (Central + Dry) / Grasslands (I assume they will be Parkland + Mixedgrass).

If we position that geographically on the map of Alberta, this will be the correct region. Hunting seasons begin in September, so the map will be set to the fall season...

Taking all this into account... What other animals inhabit those ecoregions that we can hunt?

I think I placed the rectangle a little above where it should be xD

[wide valve]

Wonder if the Polls for Fur and Antler/Horn upgrades hint at the other species coming?
-Caribou, Mountain Goat, and Pronghorn

[barren igloo]

Here it is better

[civic sable]

Not sure how accurate but this says Wolverine, Fisher and multiple others can be hunted

[barren igloo]

Yes, the trapping season in which wolverines can be harvested runs from November to January.
The range of its season coincides with the autumn season on the map, so it could be included.

Although there is no hunting regulation on Wolverines, they are only included as Fur Species for Trapping seasons :S

[neon thorn]

I'd love to see Fishers on NEM if they were added. Otters...thats a toughy bc to my knowledge there not as popular as other furbearers atleast state side. More often than not I hear more about weasels & Mink. Though Candian Lynx would be 👌 solid with snow hares. Fox, Beaver, Wolverine, Fisher, Canadian Lynx, maybe Coons would be a field day for me on this reserve. These alongside the Elk, Wolves, & Bears would easily make this my fav. Reserve to play on provided it has a great layout. Dusky grouse is a bonus and if we get white/snow hares thats iceing on the cake for me. Though I also hope EW doesn't "FUBAR" the new 30-30.

[barren igloo]

The problem with furbear species is that they cannot be hunted with firearms on Game Seasons, only with traps :S
That's why we need Trap seasons to be added to all maps someday.
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[covert heart]

interesting, it's not like that in Colorado

here you're just restricted to .23 cal rifles and under during large game seasons that overlap, but guys who shoot them want the fur and tend to avoid blowing them wide open with .300 mag and the like anyway lol

[neon thorn]

I would normally agree however they wont add trapping to this title due to ethics & presentation. However I'd love to see this applied to a survival title. I heard EW is working on 1 but I'm not sure how it'll play out. But if its OW Sandbox based like Gen Zero but improved & more depth it'll be nice to play. Not to mention often in the narrative storyline through several reserves your disarming poacher traps. Medved I believe is the only reserve that has game traps as POI (Points of Interest).

[barren igloo]

They're different traps.
The animals we have in the game are Game Species, and they can only be harvested with weapons; they can't be hunted with traps.
Similarly, Furbear Species can only be harvested with traps, not weapons.

Currently, almost all real locations where game reserves are located have Trap seasons or trapping species with their respective federal/statal regulation.
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[civic sable]

I would rather be able to shoot them like WOTH let's people do in game.

[neon thorn]

Thats not true btw alot of furbearer species can & are hunted with firearms outside of traps. I and many others can detest to that. Every furbearer species in-game including Badgers, Wolverines, & Fishers can be hunted w/o traps. Yes! Certain states & locations have specific seasons for them but not all & not all are regulated under a specific season or trap use only in various states. Dont get the wrong idea I'm fully aware where your coming from. But EW doesn't promote trapping. Its viewed as unethical & many ppl see it as cruel (I agree & disagree based on application & use). The games design promotes the perception & use of weapons over traps. 2nd EW didn't apply seasonal hunts or the 4 seasons, each location has a fixed season & weather. Now I full heartedly agree I wish EW applied the 4 seasons and specific game & weapon choice for each season based on each location. Ofc if the did players could select which season at the reserve selection menu. This would make that aspect authentic. 1 of many I would've loved in a hardcore mode seperate from the base game. Its something I do hope EW considers when or if they develop a 3rd franchise title.

[barren igloo]

Of course it depends on each country and each state, but normally small species of furbear are not included in the big or small game hunting seasons or they coincide with the time of year.
The main problem is that there are between 5 and 10 new species in each one that cannot be included, trapping seasons would solve this very well, after all we collect animals to make Trophies, it is not very different from collecting one from a trap.
I think that the ethics are no longer relevant since we started shooting bened hunted and endangered species xD

[neon thorn]

Lets make this clear:

Furbearers License
"A furbearer license allows an individual to hunt or trap furbearers for the purpose of acquiring their fur, hides, or meat. A furbearer license is required to legally take or possess furbearers like raccoons, beavers, bobcats, otters, and others. Additionally, anyone selling furbearer hides, pelts, or meat also needs a furbearer license, regardless of how they were taken (Traps, Snares, or Gun)".

Again Traps are optional not mandatory for Furbearer Game unless stated otherwise.

However I will 200% agree some furbearer game are easier to acquire using non-lethal traps like dog proof paw traps for raccoons as an example. I use them often so I can vouch for them. But its not mandatory to use traps.

[tough sentinel]

I prefer Pintail over Wood Duck in Askiy Ridge, I think the Wood Duck is not wintering in Alberta and it seems strange to me to look at Wood Duck in Asiky Ridge.

There is a long list of potential animals to fit in 7 new or old candidate species.

[subtle bone]

give me elk

[narrow talon]

I got news for you - the Snow Geese and Pintails don't winter there either...

[digital sierra]

i predict theres a beaver mission or something

[tough sentinel]

My List of 7 remaining waterfowl species according to Alberta Wildlife:
Canada Goose
Greater White-fronted Goose
Cackling Goose
Ross’ Goose
Sandhill Crane
Northern Pintail
Mallards

[severe pasture]

@magic hearth you saw your alberta wood duck during snow right?

@tough sentinel wood ducks in Alberta this winter from @magic hearth

[tough sentinel]

Almost no Wood Ducks in Alberta in this time of migration

[severe pasture]

😂

[tough sentinel]

Northern Pintail (coincidence time of migration and hunting season September-December)

[tough sentinel]

Snow Goose (same time of migration and hunting season September-December)

[narrow talon]

I say this with the utmost respect...but us South Dakotans are waving good-bye to Alberta's ducks and geese long before their hunting season and ours ends. It gets colder and the water freezes up there much faster. They don't winter up there. I love seeing the new waterfowl on this map, but it doesn't really match up with the late fall/early winter season setting.

[severe pasture]

Some divers and sea ducks like scaup, bufflehead, Goldies and hoodies are more common during winter tho (where water isnt frozen ofc)

[neon thorn]

My Prediction: Alberta, CA

• Snow Goose
• Ross Goose - New
• Wood Duck - New
• Dusky (Blue) Grouse - New
• Sharp Tailed Grouse - New
• Snowshoe Hare - New
• Canadian Lynx/Bobcat (CA Lynx - New)
• Red Fox
• Coyote
• Beaver - New
• Wolverine/Badger - New
• Bighorn Sheep
• Whitetail Deer
• Mule Deer
• Gray Wolf
• Grizzly Bear/Black Bear
• Manitoban Elk - New
• Canadian Moose
• Wood Bison - New

[ember acorn]

Nice List! But personally, I’d swap out Red Fox for Mountain Lion with a massive Remodel and Rework

[neon thorn]

With the G1 its likely to have Red Fox same with Black Bear, Whitetail, & Moose. I'm going on a limb we'll get a 2x G1 release with Gray Wolf & Mule Deer.

[magic hearth]

They came late winter to very early spring

Like around February and they are still here

[rare sorrel]

Isn't wood duck confirmed for Alberta ?

[magic hearth]

But yea wood duck don’t over winter

[rare sorrel]

@neon thorn I'm pretty sure we have pictures of Moose as well dont we?

[neon thorn]

Not that I noticed from the trailer & the current list on TH:CotW official website. Moose I figured was a given its Canada 🤣

[magic hearth]

There was a photo posted

[rare sorrel]

yeah there is a pic of one in the images

[neon thorn]

I missed that so SH Cranes are probably off the list for Wood Ducks

[rare sorrel]

see the moose on the bank behind the beaver

so we have 12 confirmed IMO

I would say of the unconfirmed they will probably add at least one or two more duck species ... either Mallard or Pintail ..... I would hope for Pintail as we have seen enough of Mallards

[neon thorn]

I hope not. 3 waterfowl is plenty 4 is pushing it.

[rare sorrel]

yes we have plenty of water fowl on other maps ... I wasnt really counting snow goose as water fowl

[tough sentinel]

Is Askiy Ridge snowy in late autumn, like in November?

[neon thorn]

My reasoning behind that is I'd like to see Alberta be like Nepal & have more NEW species over more repeats. & if any birds need to be added its upland birds esp. US/Canada Grouse

[tough sentinel]

I want Sharp-tailed Grouse for upland species

[rare sorrel]

I think they can get snow as early as Oct in the higher elevations .... Snow definitely accross the whole region from Nov to March

[neon thorn]

it has 4 biomes I'm wondering if they applied a similar suggestion I made in my reserve where theirs multiple biomes with different climates. But its fair to say late Autumn/Early-Mid Winter based on the screen shots & trailer

[tough sentinel]

I see because I doubted if October is too soon to be snowed in Alberta.

[severe pasture]

Spruce is my #1 upland then sharpy and ruffed

[tough sentinel]

Well, it is the opportunity to backfill in Yukon Valley. Yukon Valley has only 8 species! 😭

[neon thorn]

I want all our Grouse very badly

[rare sorrel]

@neon thorn would also like to see Arctic fox instead of Red Fox ...

[rare sorrel]

Go beavers in Yukon ....

[neon thorn]

I didn't see Arctic Fox on their game list but I did see Red Fox. However given the climate I'd love to see a true winter fur variant. With the G1 released it is likely to be here. But I do agree I want 2 foxes added at somepoint.

[rare sorrel]

So Red Fox is confirmed?

[neon thorn]

no just my guess. I looked at the Alberta CA official game listing to confirm my list. Aside from what's officially confirmed.

[rare sorrel]

Your probably right ... they wont add too many new species .... they will hold arctic fox for a true arctic map .... although from my research Alberta does have Arctic Fox

[hard warren]

Personally, a goose species, a duck species and a land bird is enough. No thanks for a Revontuli 2.0.

[rare sorrel]

If they do add a bobcat .... please make it different than the other bobcat models .... don't just change the name to Canadian and use the same model ....

[neon thorn]

I really want to see Arctic & Swift Fox added to the game. I love my furbearers 🤣 though a Fisher would be perfect to introduce here & backfilled on NEM = 👌

[rare sorrel]

If I had my choice between Arctic Fox or Badger for this map I would say Badger

[tough sentinel]

The size of both species is a huge difference. Speaking of Canada Lynx

[neon thorn]

Wolverine would be more ideal. Badgers can be added in 1 more US reserve than backfilled ofc this includes EU Badger, American, & Honey Badger Africa.

[rare sorrel]

Yeah I would love to have wolverines but they would need to have a more aggressive AI

[tough sentinel]

Spruce Grouse is an abundant bird over Sharp-tailed Grouse in Alberta.

[neon thorn]

I'd prefer the CA Lynx over Bobcat. That just leaves the Iberian Lynx & we have all the little felines

[tough sentinel]

Wolverine and Canada Lynx 🔥🔥

[severe pasture]

Canada lynx would be like fox, not spooking larger animals

[rare sorrel]

Bagers are also like beavers .... I dont see how they hve left them off the list for so long

[tough sentinel]

Challenge, better

[rare sorrel]

especailly bears, moose, bison and elk ....

[severe pasture]

...

[neon thorn]

I stand by my list though I fear more repeats over new species. I'm 🙏 EW follows Nepal's example and adds more new species over repeating species.

[severe pasture]

There's not that many repeats left

[tough sentinel]

Grizzly Bear is very possible with remodeled and new behavior.

[severe pasture]

Canada goose, grizzly, gadwall, mallard, goldeneye, red fox, coyote (nevermind)
Canada goose, coyote and grizzly could use rework tho

[tough sentinel]

Grizzly Bears and Cougars are options too.

[neon thorn]

yea Waterfowl is a game killer for me 1. too many 2. Their repeated constantly over new species, 3. 3-4 max unless its a waterfowl dedicated 4. Not enough Upland Birds. I'd love to see a 50/50 bird reserve with 7 waterfowl, 7 upland, 3 small/furbearer game, & 2 Medium game = 👌

[severe pasture]

More grouse on this map please 😭

[ember acorn]

What about a G1 Cougar?!

[magic hearth]

Tbh ruffed is the one most common at least in my area

I’m from Calgary btw

[neon thorn]

I'd love to see more G1 predators as well as furbearers. But I've been waiting on Elk for way too long. I'm disappointed in EW for not releasing one with a rework. Moose & Red Deer made sense given Canada & EU. Whitetail, Mule Deer, Roe Deer, & Fallow Deer should've been after Elk. H**l even Cape Buffalo should've received 1 as well. I'm beyond shocked Black Bear, Pheasant, & Red Fox got G1's before Elk. & I'm pretty certain Alberta will release a 2x G1 release with Mule Deer & Gray Wolves. I wont argue that they are both overdue to get the reworks & G1 Variants but again....Elk have been ignored for 8-6yrs (Roosevelt "8yrs"/Rocky "6yrs"). Though I will admit the new Elk looks great from the screen shot & I'm hoping Roosevelts & Rockies get a model rework with this update.

[ember acorn]

But what were your thoughts be if we got a great one cougar instead?! we definitely could use a feline great one at this point

[neon thorn]

If I had my pick out of all the Felines I'd prefer a G1 Lynx. Cougars overall from my IRL experience only have their size as an appealing factor. Sure there's a few unique furs that turn up but not like the other cats.

Besides predator trophies are admired often by the quality of their Fur & mass. Trophy wise is their Skull & Pelt & ofc a full body or head taxidermy is also an option.

[lament orbit]

Would be cool however it’s most likely gonna be elk/mule deer

[neon thorn]

I hope so but I still feel like its going to be Mule Deer & Gray Wolves based on the Poll Reworks. I'd be ecstatic if we got a 3x G1 release. It would defn. boon sales if they did with Elk, Wolves, & Mule Deer.

[civic sable]

What if it's both 🤯

[neon thorn]

But no I'm aware of what EW will likely release but my earlier response was if I had my pick of the felines/cats to get a G1 I'd want Lynx to get 1.

[delicate palm]

I really hope they add pintail to the new map, you can check out my post: https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1360334799834972232 about them to see their awesome potential rares!

[tough sentinel]

The period when Askiy Ridge takes place supposedly coincides with the first snowfall, which usually occurs in November (though it can start in October in the mountains). You can observe that snow geese are still present in Alberta (a migratory stopover area for flocks coming from the north) in early November (red circle). I'm sharing a video here about the population dynamics of snow geese, thanks to the phenomenal eBird app.

[jolly olive]

I’m really hoping that they add grizzlies to the map

[tough sentinel]

Me too, remodeled and new behavior

[jolly olive]

Fr cause grizzlies are long over due for a remodel and behavior change

[tough sentinel]

Yes, I'm eager to see it soon. One more thing to keep in mind is that the grizzly drinks alongside the caribou in Yukon Valley, and that needs to be fixed by separating them.

[tough sentinel]

The wood duck is alone and seems lost. By this time, it should be with others and migrating toward the Mississippi Acres Preserve, where it will be warmly welcomed.

[civic sable]

Hopefully this is the remaining 7 on the list
Wolverine
Grizzly
Ruffed Grouse
Sandhill Crane
Mt Goat or Mt lion
Coyote or Fisher or Badger
Pintail or White-tailed ptarmigan

G1 hopefully Elk

[tough sentinel]

Hunting Snow Goose in Snowy Farmland (a small part of the subregion) would be a great experience.

[tough sentinel]

A hybrid (Snow Goose x Canada Goose)
Photographer: Herbert Fechter

[jolly olive]

A chance encounter for bear mainly male bears is at drink zones or if two bears com into a mating call they would fight by chance if a behavior changes were added to bears

[narrow talon]

If we get both black bears and grizzlies, I'd love to see grizzlies going after the black bears. Lol

[jolly olive]

Fr like they do in real life I seen a video of a grizzly eating a black bear on twitter

[untold glen]

Is it diamond? 🤓

[neon thorn]

I hope their bigger. I might be really bias but I truly want this reserve to have Elk everywhere...within reason. I've waited for so long to have a reserve with a heavy focus on Elk over Deer & Moose.

[jaunty hull]

Manitoban Elk are largely an animal of lower to mid elevation, so Grasslands, Marshes, and Foothills would be great for them.

[umbral lynx]

From where does the picture come ?

[subtle bone]

This is what the Manitoban Elk looks like irl

[severe pasture]

Official the hunter website

[umbral lynx]

I dont have it there

[untold glen]

From official website

[tough sentinel]

Sculpture of Manitoba Elk in Onanole, Manitoba, Canada

If there is a Grizzly Bear in Askiy Ridge, it has the same drinking zone time as Elk. It worries me. Please, both species (Black Bear included) are separated in the drinking zone. Three species separated.

[tough sentinel]

Will we get a new outfit? And are the two knives the new weapon?

[sour musk]

that elk looks great. Hopefully the other Elk subspecies in the game will also get a rework at some point, because this new one is way ahead of the other two.

[rare sorrel]

IMO there will be a new outfit ... In a segment from the most recent release trailer we see a hunter walking through the woods and it appears that they are wearing a different outfit than what currently exists in the game ..... I know your looking for some official response so sorry to disappoint ....

[rare sorrel]

I also have questions about the sled that is in that picture ? Seems to be an odd or maybe a purposeful choice to display those items in that way .... They could have chosen to display them in any numbers of ways ? Why a sled or boat ?

Could it be that at some point we will have a snowmobile dlc which also has a sled to carry additional items .....

[tough sentinel]

Grizzly Bear, Black Bear, Cougar, Wolverine, and Gray Wolf in this map hypothetically, having a knife as a personal defense is justified to add (when the weapon is surprisingly unloaded) The knife doesn't spend ammunition, and is the cheapest.

[tough sentinel]

And more things are not enunciated (full list of species, for example) on the official website until I do not know when.

[tough sentinel]

It is possible.
Snowmobile is requested by the community.
You will need a boat if you have to go to the Chamber (image)

[wide valve]

Always thought the Pennsylvania Tuxedo outfit would be fun

[tough sentinel]

I don't like this outfit 😬. I know the color is for security in deer drive.

[wide valve]

From the screen shots we've seen, it looks like maybe a mix of frozen and open water - would be awesome

[hard warren]

There 4 differents biomes so it's possible

[wide valve]

Yeah, well you ain't from Pennsylvania 😄 It was big in our great-grandfather's day

Woolrich coats were amazing in cold rain, so they say

[tough sentinel]

I love hunting Goose and whitetail in this biome. Farmland is common in Alberta.

[barren igloo]

I think we will only have snow in the Alpine and Foothills region, maybe some climatic snow at the edge of the Boreal Forest, but the southern grasslands should be snow-free.

[tough sentinel]

Whitetail Hunting in snowy land is another experience despite there are whitetails on others maps.

[hard warren]

They said on they official website something like Snowy montains and plain only this 2 biome so whe have to wait for the other.

[tough sentinel]

The biomes of Hirschfelden Hunting Reserve are alpine zone to farmland. I hope so in this map.

[hard warren]

I hope too

[rare sorrel]

I often wanted then to release a dlc that would let us purchase a boat or canoe that we could place on one side of a lake or river and then draw a landing point of our choice on the other side .....

It would function like the map based water crossing as we see on RC and MA but could be purchased and placed by the player ......

[neon thorn]

This reserve is 1 example of what I'd like to see as an off-grid hunt with player ability to forage, set up camp, dress & skin game for meat & warmth &/or as a source of making trade. Would also be great with a fishing element to collect fish for food &/or as lure for bears. Another feature I want to see with bears is water ways are both feed & water zones catching fish. As an additional sign as a QOL feat. to disturbed vegetation we'd see deer scraps & predator scraps. Burrows would be extended to not only rabbits but foxes, badgers, skunk etc. For example you find a burrow to investigate for sign & you could discover any of the burrow species or you get jump scared if its occupied by say a Badger, Wolverine, or get sprayed by a skunk. 🤣

[neon thorn]

I personally would prefer an Argo over a Snowmobile.

[rare sorrel]

A tracked or 8x8 would be so awesome ....

[neon thorn]

Looking at things more with the 4 biomes I'm curious if EW reviewed my Frontier Park thread. My approuch was with 4 biomes but I suggested to have 3 up to 4 seasonal weather for a set interval to represent ea. Season. They may have taken the thought to apply it to the various biomes in terms of weather. I wouldn't be suprised if they utilize Fall & Winter as a trial over having the whole reserve dedicated too a single season if they did do it that way its a huge leap for future reserves.

[neon thorn]

Pretty much a 6 or 8 Wheel or Tracked amphibious atv/utv in one. Depending on the model it would be ideal as a solo or multi-player passenger vehicle. Their not that loud either & you have options. I have a neighbor that has 1 & it can go anywhere & has a ton of applications.

[barren igloo]

Steam store said the other 3 biomes, foothills, boreal forest and grassland..
Translate this at IRL Alberta biomes is:
Canadian Rockies Alpine / Upper Foothills / Boreal Forest Mixedwoods (Central + Dry) / Grasslands (I assume they will be Parkland + Mixedgrass).

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3570290/theHunter_Call_of_the_Wild__Alberta_Hunting_Preserve/

[barren igloo]

Actually the 4 biome system is being implemented from Rancho del Arroyo, where we see Sierra Madre Mountains / Pine-Oak Forest / Dry Forest / Brushlands of Sonoran Desert.
They are 4 transitional biomes that coexist IRL, hundreds of kilometers away IRL but at scale in the reserves,

[neon thorn]

I didn't notice a difference with Rancho to me its just desert with slight changes with flora & geography over being obvious. Other reserves do have the biome feature but I'm referring more to seasonal & weather. Nepal & Yukon I was very disappointed in the weather & snow. With Alberta I was expecting an all snow reserve like Medved but screenshots show areas w/o snow so I'm hoping they have 1-2 biomes that are covered all the time while the other biomes as expected with elevation & thermal cline changes maybe rain or light snow. H**l I wouldn't be apposed to some wetlands that would be ideal for Sandhill Cranes.

[wide valve]

Beavers likely pushed them to go with open water 🦫

But one teaser scene had a frozen river, like Medved

[barren igloo]

What happens in ranch is that there is no climatic system that differentiates each bioma, is not notorious to the naked eye, they differ only by the species of trees and representative plants of each bioma that live kilometers away in different regions in different regions.
Rancho was the 1st map where all species of trees and plants were designed from scratch, none is in another reserve.

1_ Sierra Madre
2_Pine-Oak Forest
3_Dry Forest
4_Brushland of Sonora Desert

[neon thorn]

yea alot of the trailer was blizzard & snow but the screenshots have me believe they have it split like Nepal. Where the Northern half is always Snow while the Southern has Fall/Frost. Its my guess. I just hope its not like Nepal & Yukon where it Snows for 15min than vanishes. I really want the area to remain covered all the time. Weather wise it would be nice to have intervals of a flurry & a blizzard at random.

[neon thorn]

Yea its a great design though I'll admit I hardly ever played it bc it was heavily bugged for a very long time & pheasants never worked & other times nothing would spawn no matter how many times I reinstalled it. It was a huge shame bc I looked fwd to coyote & bobcat hunting on it. Though after Alberta I might return to it with the new 30-30 if they did it justice with new ammo. If its a reskin I'll be disappointed.

[lament orbit]

Vivi said that all of the biomes are snowy

[neon thorn]

Thanks for the insight thats reassuring to hear.

[barren igloo]

I remember that few played him for that animal problem, when Rancho came out we received the change of the habitats system, so the animals did not appear unless our render range had touched a Respawn area, the entire map had to travel so that the animals appear, I think it still continues xD

[neon thorn]

Yea as a furbearer guy I was stoked for the reserve, plus with the pointer rabbits are a blast as well. I'm really hoping Alberta has 3 waterfowl, 2 or 3 upland birds, white Snow shoe hares, 5 furbearers, & ofc we already know the Med-Lrg Game list. With that said for once I hope Elk get the respect they deserve & have the spotlight here...aside from the beavers that I know ppl are going to shoot with 470 NE & 375 H&H day 1 🤣. If I'm honest the heavy focus on Red Deer, Moose, Whitetail & Mule Deer is getting old. Thats 1 reason why I'm pushing my Frontier Park Reserve is for an Elk, Gray Wolf narrative focus with ofc more US Western Grouse, Furbearers, new varmints & the long awaited Sandhill Crane.

Among the furbearers here I'm praying we get wolverines or at the minimum badgers. Fisher would be sweet but its not likely. Canadian Lynx is a must here as well.

[strong scarab]

I'm sure it's been said, but the new rifle seems to have new ammo with it. They have a different model, color, and bullet type to what's in game at the moment. One is a polymer tipped bullet that seems based on Nosler's E-tip copper bullet and the other looks like a black or dark gray RNFP bullet. Possibly a hardcast.

I'm hoping this new ammo will work with the Whitlock as well but if that's not the case then I sincerely hope that it's at least class 3-7. Having grown up hunting with the Marlin 336 this new rifle is based on I can tell you first hand that the .30-30 is far too strong for class 2 animals

[neon thorn]

I think the new 30-30 is a similar scenario to the 10ga model/shells between the brass & plastic however I 200% agree & pray it's a solid 3-7 or 3-8. Iirc .44mag is a 3-8 & I dont see a reason why this new 30-30 shouldn't be with the new ammo options esp. with PT & HC. & I know Nosler's Green Tip all copper bullets very well.

[strong scarab]

See 3-7 is more than enough for me but if it got a 3-8 range and the standard 300m zero I'd never use anything else for 90%of my hunts.

[neon thorn]

I say 3-8 from coyote to bear though I might be bias, but I love 45-70. On a related note, I'm still waiting for a Lever .22 & .357/.38 Special but I would also settle with a .410 Lever with Slugs & Buckshot.

[strong scarab]

Im.at least happy with the new .30-30 model, enough I started a new campaign with a .270 lever action in mind

[neon thorn]

Agreed the model is 👌 with scope options is fantastic, add the new 3-7/3-8 ammo option our prayers are answered for this caliber. 😅 but I agree the 270 among many like the 45-70 need love as well. But again easy fix just add more ammo options will cure all the power/class issues.

[strong scarab]

Honestly I'd happily take a .30-06 lever action too. The BLR is great but I love the look of Henry's Long Ranger

[neon thorn]

Seems like if we want caliber fixes with proper ammo application EW has to make a new model to go with it seems to be the pattern. If so I'd love to see more actions available. Though for 30.06 I cant get away from the M1. The new 30.06 is meh to me but is effective. The Bolt I'm just not fond of the model itself same with the 223 & 243.

[strong scarab]

Agreed, however, if i could switch the Olsson to a .30-06 that would be ideal.

Also, the Long Ranger is Henry's sniper rifle but lever action

[neon thorn]

Not gonna lie its growing on me. I would love to see 270 get a new action with the TLC it deserves. I'd support this 100%

[zenith anchor]

I haven't done a great job at keeping up with news on the new map. Have they shown any of the unknown species yet?

[severe pasture]

Nope 7 left still

[tough sentinel]

The list of enunciated new species and those are all preys. 1 or 2 new predators?

Black Bear (remodeled and has G1) in 5 maps while Grizzly Bear (old model and does not have G1) in 1 map. 🙁

[lament orbit]

Would be a real missed opportunity if there are no grizzlies

[rare sorrel]

Yes really hoping the bear is Griz .... We have enough places to hunt BB's

[civic sable]

It's seems it's legal to hunt Grizzly in Alberta again in a limited capacity for problem bears. You need to fill out an application.

Apparently the population is growing since they stopped the hunt previously causing more human, and livestock deaths. Just more reason we need them on the new map. We need to help Alberta control the population 😂

Hopefully we get them on this map🙏

Here's the article on it.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-todd-loewen-grizzly-bears-fish-and-wildlife-1.7258821

[subtle bone]

I’m hoping that Grizzlies will be on the new map, if they are they must have been given a rework..

[civic sable]

I would want Grizzlies on the map even if they hadn't had a chance to rework them. At least they would still be on the map and they could get reworks later.

[tough sentinel]

Conceptual diagram of a relatively complex food web in the Little Smoky caribou population range, Alberta, Canada. The proposed fencing and predator control efforts will likely have dramatic impacts on this already human-modified food web. ||Photo Credit and Web: mdpi.com||

Is there a possibility to add Porcupine in Askiy Ridge?

[strong scarab]

I'd kinda like that if so, I think they are really interesting animals.

Also, coyotes seem like a decent possibility here so what are the chances they finally got that desperately needed new model? Class 3 and being larger than foxes

[tough sentinel]

I prefer the remodeled Coyote over the newly remodeled Red Fox in AR so I will enjoy Coyote Hunting on other maps. The Coyote has an urgent remodeling (requested).
When animals can climb into trees, it would be great to hunt porcupines, Squirrels, raccoons, and others.

[neon thorn]

That would be sweet if not I added them on my Wyoming thread as a new species.

[neon thorn]

I love the Fox rework alot, but Coyotes desprately need a rework, size scaled up, & reclassed to C:3. I just hope they have them in groups at night & maybe solo or pairs during the day would be 👌

[strong scarab]

They need a fix so bad, I mean look at this yote in the snow. This is definitely a huge difference in size and fur type than what's in game but it would be about average for a place like Askiy Reserve

[tough sentinel]

Yes, it would be great coyote hunting in open hills and farmland.

[neon thorn]

I'm really looking Fwd to Alberta provided this is what we're looking at Game wise:

Alberta: Guess?!
• [C:1] Snow Goose
• [C:1] Ross Goose - New?
• [C:1] Wood Duck - New
• [C:1] Dusky (Blue) Grouse - New
• [C:1] Sharp Tailed Grouse - New?
• [C:1] Snowshoe Hare - New
• [C:2] Canadian Lynx/Bobcat (CA Lynx - New?)
• [C:2] Red Fox
• [C:3] Coyote
• [C:3] Beaver - New
• [C:3] Wolverine/Badger - New?
• [C:4] Bighorn Sheep Rework?
• [C:4] Whitetail Deer
• [C:5] Mule Deer Possible G1?
• [C:6] Gray Wolf Rework/ Possible Reclass [C:5] - G1?
• [C:8/C:7] Grizzly Bear/Black Bear Grizz Rework?
• [C:7] Manitoban Elk - New/ G1?
• [C:8] Canadian Moose
• [C:9]Wood Bison - New/Possible Reclass "C:8"?

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1342242999526232196 is similar but with New Species added, terrain/biomes, & Seasonal weather. I'm also pushing horses & late 1800's weapon & gear pack to pair well with it all.

Wyoming
• [C:1] Sandhill Crane - (New)
• [C:1] Sage Grouse - (New)
• [C:1] Ruffed Grouse - (New)
• [C:1] Sharp Tailed Grouse - (New)
• [C:1] Blue (Dusky) Grouse
• [C:1] Chucker - (New)
• [C:1] Black Tailed Prairie Dog - (New + Burrow Update)
• [C:1] Black Tailed Jack Rabbit - (New + Burrow Update)
• [C:2] Red Fox
• [C:2] American Badger - (New + Predator Update + Burrow Update)
• [C:2] American Porcupine - (New)
• [C:3] Coyote - (Model Rework + Resize + Reclassed)
• [C:3] American Beaver
• [C:4] Pronghorn - (Reclass + More Horns)
• [C:4] Whitetail Deer - (More Racks)
• [C:5] Mule Deer - (More Racks + G1)
• [C:5] Gray Wolf - (Model Rework + Reclass + Predator Update)
• [C:7] Black Bear - (Predator Update)
• [C:7] Rocky Mountain Elk - (Model Rework + More Racks + Resize + G1)

For me between Alberta & Wyoming introducing US/Canadian Western Game I'd be more than Satisfied with US/Canada Locations & Game minus the Arctic. Ofc we severely need South America & Africa locations as well!

For those who want Grizzly Bears, if Alberta doesn't get them I'll adjust Frontier Park: Wyoming to have them over Black Bear.

[neon thorn]

I'll have to wait & see what EW presents game wise for the remaining 7 & I'd wager we'll see a new Weapon, Gear, or Vehicle-Companion pk this year either before or around the 2nd reserve release.

[ember acorn]

Nice list though I have a prediction that mountain lions will be coming to the Alberta map and they’re probably gonna get a much-needed remodel and rework

[neon thorn]

Honestly I wouldn't mind them over coyotes here. For me personally I'd rather have Coyotes get reworked for Wyoming but thats my opinion.

[tough sentinel]

Askiy Ridge doesn't have the small enunciated predators of the list. One remodeled and one new, I think.

[neon thorn]

at the very least I want Canadian Lynx & Wolverines here. Red Fox I'm guessing with the G1 release & Coyote as a filler. Cougars or even Pronghorn would work as well. The Snowshoe Hares I'm praying are here with white fur.

[ember acorn]

Honestly, I’d keep coyotes and switch red foxes for Mountain Lions I think red foxes honestly could use a break

[neon thorn]

I dont disagree a new fox would be better, but I love hunting them 😅 I also like Mtn lions if......EW reduces the population. SRP has way too many & Parque Fernando is supposed to be overpopulated as mentioned in the narrative intentionally.

[tough sentinel]

I think the Mule Deer would be the elected species for the Great One because this species has 4 maps while each Elk subspecies has one map. I see each species that has G1 has many maps as you know.

[ember acorn]

Mule deer, would be great, elk would be great, gray wolf would be great and I think even cougar would be very great and imagine a giant mountain lion with unique coloration… plus we don’t have a feline great one so that would be pretty cool. Beaver would just be hilarious.

[neon thorn]

I wouldn't run it passed EW to relese 2x G1's on this reserve. It'll be huge if we get 3 G1's. I still think with the poles Mule Deer & Gray Wolves will get the G1's the community has been begging for. As for the 3rd Elk bc they've been ignored for 8yrs.

[tough sentinel]

All less the Pronghorn.

[neon thorn]

I want Pronghorn & Roe deer in the same year.

[tough sentinel]

COTW doesn't have the medal G1 for beavers.

[neon thorn]

@ember acorn has a point it would be hilarious for G1 Beaver its funny my wife just said the samething

[umbral lynx]

bro is glazing cougars like no other 🙏 😂

[neon thorn]

Hey I agree with him as far as predators go they need an overhaul as I mentioned in my Predator Update thread! <--https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1316561266223087676

[ember acorn]

Bro, I want cougars and gray wolves on the same Map that badly

[tough sentinel]

Yes, Diamond is for serious things while G1 is for hilarious things.

[umbral lynx]

no problem its just a bit funny for me how you glaze them 🤣

but i agree having them on the same map as gray wolf with a remodel would be fire

[neon thorn]

Now they are! 😮‍💨 G1's used to be natural variants over fantasy models

[ember acorn]

Yes, give cougars a massive remodel and a massive rework even in low population. I want both animals in the same map

[tough sentinel]

The actual cougar would disprove it. It dislikes living around wolves in its territory.

[rare sorrel]

G1 Cougar = Long Shot .... G1 Beaver even longer shoot and ridiculously unmakable only slightly in render range

[neon thorn]

They do but thats why I mentioned territories as part of the update. Lower populations and better pathing through different biomes/units would make it ideal.

[tough sentinel]

Yes, in general cougar is where mule deer and wolves are where elk.

[rare sorrel]

There could very likely be at least 3 or even 4 G1's on this map

[tough sentinel]

I like the low population of predators.

[neon thorn]

I said it as a joke but it would be funny & lets be honest a good majority of the community want to go WWlll on them so I wouldn't run it passed EW to do it even though its not practical....ofc I really hope I'm wrong & thats not the case.

[umbral lynx]

maybe cougars in the mountains and wolfs in the valleys and lowlands?

[tough sentinel]

The key is where their prey live

[rare sorrel]

Oh there will be blood G1 or Not .....

[neon thorn]

wouldn't be bad i dont know to many predator hunters in the community but I have been pushing for predators to get reworked and act natural as predators do. It bothers me their often set aside until Nepal released. And I'll give credit where its due on lynx, bobcat, & Red Fox models and behavior. But the populations need to be reduced & for petes sake the random spooking needs to be flipped. Small predators dont spook apex predators 🤣 & moose dont really flee from game let alone ppl. Wolves & maybe Grizzlies are the only predators they flee from again....Apex Predators!

[tough sentinel]

A warehouseman inspecting a batch of beaver skins, 10,000 of which were sold at auction, at the Hudson's Bay Company in York Factory, on Hudson Bay, Manitoba, Canada, 1946.
||Photo by George Konig/Keystone Features/Getty Images)||

[umbral lynx]

how pumas spook black bears while black bears irl would beat their A$$ up

[neon thorn]

Well black bears & mtn lions do dook it out if its territory or food & you'd be suprised its 50/50 on whose the victor. When I did some field work I seen footage & its brutal but to my surprise black bears usually yield with mtn lions as the victor. Though encounters are rather rare atleast back then today I have no idea given human interference on their habitats. Besides Mtn Lions are illusive & both of them often avoid 1 another in the wilds. Like I said its rare. However Wolves & Mtn lions is like cats & dogs just bigger with alot more attitude.

[zealous shale]

praying for this myself. elk are one of my top 5 favorite animals to hunt and id love to see more of them. see some larger herds as well like ive seen of whitetail and mule

Am I the only one who thinks adding trapping would be fun especially with the addition of the beaver and possible other furbearers in the new map?

[outer tiger]

Whole lotta waiting….

[steel python]

Has anyone suggested the ruffed grouse or the sharp tailed grouse?

[civic sable]

Yea this is the list im hoping for with the remaining 7 on the list
Wolverine
Grizzly
Ruffed Grouse
Sandhill Crane
Mt Goat or Mt lion
Coyote or Fisher or Badger
Pintail or White-tailed ptarmigan

G1 hopefully Elk

[zealous shale]

yeah but you could trap an area then move away to hunt some larger game, theyd just need to keep the animals form despawing

[outer tiger]

Except that last part is the hardest part

It’s near impossible within the realms of the current engine.

[zealous shale]

fair enough but my dream lives on.

[rare sorrel]

Trapping could be done but you would pretty much have to place your trap within a zone .... And then leave it for 24 to 48 hrs game time.... EW could calculate the probability that you were able to trap something that came to that zone.

[neon thorn]

Still think that Trapping would work best in an off-grid hunting/fishing survival title. I still believe EW is capable of developing 1 with more detail.

[rare sorrel]

I agree ... a trapping sub-game could get very involved depending on how detailed they wanted to make it .... Just doing a basic trapping mechanic for small to med lvl critters would not really be very engaging ....

[neon thorn]

I always wanted elements from TH/TA CotW, Gen Zero, & Ark in one (Minus the Dinos 🤣) But locations would be like flown in off-grid Alaska hunts where you pack your gear prior (menu) then get flown in and survive while hunting your query. Mechanics would involve weather, injury, ailments, hunger, hydration, foraging, fishing, trapping, defense from DG (Bears, wolves, etc.) oh I'd love that. 2 game modes standard gives you a set time frame like 2 weeks in-game for each session or hardcore where your stranded & survive for as long as possible using your bushcraft skills to survive & basically become a mountain man 🤣

[azure gate]

Trapping doesn't really work in a trophy hunting game, since you can't even control what you trap

[neon thorn]

I love OW Games with alternative player gameplay options over fixed directional titles.

[strong scarab]

As someone whose trapped various animals for 20 ish years, trapping in a video game would be an absolute pain in the a*s.

Baits, scent posts, positioning, anchoring, area prep, setting finicky trap mechanisms. Some survival games can get away with it using simple mechanics but irl it's a pain every time

[azure gate]

Also you don't have control on what you're trapping, you could setup a trap in the zone of a diamond and never get it, it's just not a fun dynamic to implement on the Hunter COTW, maybe on a game called trapper simulator you can handle all those things and then sell pelts but In CoTW it makes no sense. Trapping serves as pest control and for the fur trade, none of those fit with COTW. Specially since shooting something is much more easy than waiting 48 hours in game, that's 6 hours real time

[strong scarab]

You can control what species you trap by how you set up, but taking a specific individual is almost impossible.

Also please note, trapping specificly cat species is an absolute F-ing nightmare. They're the most infuritingly "I see this, you should suffer" animals to exist.

I'd rather spent the night in the coop with a 12ga loaded with buckshot than ever set another bobcat trap again.

I quite literally spent 2 years trying to catch a single bobcat that was getting into an elderly woman's chicken coop and that animal was the bane of my existence and the reason I despise all cats

[azure gate]

Ive seen some Kendall Gray videos on trapping and I understand it better now, I used to hate it but I can respect the hustle but sometimes a rifle and a Lantern should do the trick

[strong scarab]

A lot of people misunderstand how much work actually goes into it and how rare you get rewarded for it. They equate all trappers to the poachers they show in Africa putting out snares for anything that moves

[civic sable]

I like to watch the trappers on that show Mountain Men on the history channel. There's definitely an art to it.

[subtle bone]

Here’s some photos I gathered all from the new map

[subtle bone]

Some of my predictions for some of the other species that we don’t know are:

• Pronghorn
• Mountain Goat
• Woodland Caribou
• Grizzly Bear
• Cougar
• Canadian Lynx
• Coyote
• Wolverine
• Canada Goose

Please no hate just what I think could be some of the species

[chrome breach]

This map has the potential to be the best map in the game even with just re-used species AND remodels. If we get a coyote, grizzly bear and mayhap a cougar remodel, this map will be the best simply because it has many great species

Like, having black and grizzly bears, cougars, wolves, coyotes... on ONE reserve is a wet dream come true.

[subtle bone]

Fr

[civic sable]

At this point id just be happy with Wolverine, Grizzly and some birds.

[strong scarab]

I'd happily take everything but the Canada goose, I have Hirsch induced goose trauma

[ember acorn]

100%! Make The COTW Version Of “TIMBER GOLD TRAILS” from Classic!….And some people are gonna ask “WHAT ABOUT RED FOX??!!”!!!! to that I say I think Red Foxes need a break For Now!…… maybe down the line they can be backfilled on the Alberta Reserve but Rn They Really Need a Break! Canadian Lynx would also be a great edition!

[tough sentinel]

Please, Pheasant, Canada Goose and Red Fox take a break.

[ember acorn]

FR Coyotes Need A lot More Love rn Then Red Foxes

[tough sentinel]

Yes, Askiy Ridge is too cold for coyote fur that isn't well wrapped.

[neon thorn]

I'm 200% for Canadian Lynx, Coyote, & Wolverines. I'd like a new fox personally, but I'd settle with cougars being added along with Grizzlies. If we did EW please properly distribute them in their territories/ & behavior with their pathing. Pronghorn I'd rather see in Wyoming when there's other species that could be added here. Ntm the lack of Upland Birds. I don't mind a waterfowl or 2 but we really need more US Upland Birds no offense to the EU species but I want my US Grouse. If we get any waterfowl defn. give me Cranes.

[jaunty hull]

We could potentially get Swift Fox, as there is a small population found in SE Alberta.

[neon thorn]

Swifts would be better for Wyoming (controversial) or another western US State where they are hunted like Utah for example. Alberta is themed more towards the Northern Winter climate & Arctic Fox would be more appropriate. Though I hate to say it but I have a strong sense EW will put Reds here due to the G1 😓 When it comes to Canada or any regional location for that matter, I'd like to see species native there that the States don't really have let alone see often. I know wyoming has CA Lynx & Wolverines or at 1 point did but are rare finds as an example. But swifts yea their all over here in Utah where I live. To be clear I'd love to have them added along with other burrow species with the burrow update proposal in the threads.

[void fiber]

The Coyote Traps were a bit eh - Not to our Standards anymore. The living fox in the box we agree on but it depends, can't have loose bear traps here in GER. It's paired with a dropping Box and has meet certain species and Range like in the Missions only near a Settlement to prevent danger to house cattle. We only allow Living Catch Boxes or Instant Death Snaps but only for Fox, Badger and Marten. It has made a bit of an issue for Farmers near forests with the expanding Wolves in recent years but there are better methods to Control movement and Prevent cattle loss, also the Dog would be susceptible to it too so that is another no-no. Usually there's the Option for living traps and stun darts for resettlement of the animal

[void fiber]

No Feline GOs still so Lynx would be cool

[neon thorn]

I do want a G1 Lynx but if I had to choose Eurasian Lynx would be my pick, but we're missing Canadian Lynx & Iberian Lynx since we already have bobcats & Eurasian Lynx. That would tie up the small cats except maybe a Caracal & Cerval.

[stiff meadow]

Arctic Fox would not work that well for an Alberta map given they only exist in the northeastern corner and would be more appropriate for an Arctic Canadian Reserve

The only species of fox that is widespread in Alberta is the Red Fox

[zenith anchor]

im hoping for part of the map to be great plains. Alberta has some great mule deer and pronghorn in that area. Woodland caribou would be super cool as well.

[steel python]

I’m a big fan of ptarmigan on revontouli coast and in my opinion they should be back filled onto Yukon valley (willow ptarmigan) so another ptarmigan species would be amazing

[tough sentinel]

In COTW, there are 5 maps of Black Bears vs 1 (2?) map of Grizzly Bears and 2 maps of Brown Bears.

Grizzly Bears Population Density

[zenith anchor]

if they dont add grizzly bears is gonna be a huge fail. But the map is still gonna be awesome

[jaunty hull]

Idk, swifts could work just fine on this map imo seeing as the map description says there’s a “frost-swept grassland” which I take to mean a prairie. Seeing as that’s the main habitat of Manitoban Elk, I could definitely see Swift Foxes making an appearance here.

[strong scarab]

1 foot tall and 7 pounds on the high side, I'd expect it to be our first class one predator

[jaunty hull]

You’d expect it to be, but seeing as it’s a fox, it highly doubt it. They’ll probably make it a class 2 animal.

[strong scarab]

I know, I feel the same way about gray foxes, swift foxes are even smaller though. It would make zero sense to put them in the same class as coyotes that are five times heavier

[jaunty hull]

Tbh I think Coyotes should be a class 3 animal seeing as their models should be about 2x the size they currently are.

[strong scarab]

Exactly

[neon thorn]

I dont disagree that the arctic fox would be more ideal for a true North Arctic reserve. All I'm stating is I'd rather see a new fox over a Red Fox & when I think of Swift's I picture the frontier prairie & western US. I'm not doubting they are in Alberta but it would seem off to me w/o other burrow species like prairie dogs, badgers, coyotes, skunks, & ofc rabbits/hares considering they all coincide with ea. other in the wilds. Its an interesting fact within the ecology. Thats 1 reason why I'd prefer them in a Wyoming reserve with the Burrow Update in mind. I'll confess I do nip pick reserves based on game ecology balance as well as overall execution ofc and some reserves if not many lack prey vs predator ecology balance aside from the obvious that many reserves are not 19 capped and in need of Backfills to feel more natural. Imho I'd prefer EW to hold off on Backfills till we receive more newly (needed!) species to properly balance reserve ecologies. My reason is if EW were to backfill with current listing it wouldn't allow any new species to be added later if they get capped. Again, that's my view. But I would be shocked if Swifts are added to Alberta's list over Red Fox & I wouldn't be opposed to it if they did introduce them.

[tough sentinel]

Askiy Ridge is too mountainous for the only caprine species there: RM Bighorn Sheep. The mountain Goat (remodeled with more fluffy) could also be added there, in the high altitude.

[subtle bone]

I don’t wanna wait until Tuesday for more info 😢

[tough sentinel]

Many species dispute for to be added in Asiky Ridge. I am curious about the new 7 elected species.

[stiff meadow]

An interesting fact about Mountain Goat Hunting in Alberta: The draw for mountain goat is a once in a lifetime lottery where regardless of weather you get the tag or not you cannot apply again. I reckon this is because there are limited areas in the province where goat hunting can take place combined with the demand as in 2024 there were over 12,400 applicants and only 6 were succesful

[subtle bone]

Same that’s why I’m so curious.. I’m hoping atleast some of these species make it to the map

• Pronghorn
• Mountain Goat + Rework
• Woodland Caribou
• Grizzly Bear + Rework
• Cougar + Rework
• Canadian Lynx
• Coyote + Rework
• Wolverine
• Canada Goose

[covert heart]

Sounds a lot like Bighorn in Colorado; 10 resident tags and 1 nonresident tag per year with well over 4000 applicants

[stiff meadow]

Caribou in general I am okay with not showing up on an Alberta map, they are doing very poorly in Alberta due to a number of factors and considering where in Alberta the reserve could be located, the caribou in that part of the province are almost extinct, my list would be similar to yours, minus the wolverine and caribou with the replacements being more North American grouse species like Ruffed Grouse and Sharp-tailed Grouse

[subtle bone]

If we do get some from my list they better get reworked depending on the species of course

[stiff meadow]

It also takes over 15 years of building up preferrence points to get a 100% chance of getting a tag for Merriam's Turkey in Alberta as they only live in the southwestern corner of the province (https://www.albertarelm.com/cust.drawsummaryturkey24.page)

[covert heart]

that's insane

[stiff meadow]

If I ever want to hunt Merriam's here in Canada, I would have a better shot at a tag in British Columbia, Alberta has even been recieving turkeys from BC to augment the population and a few years ago there were talks about introducing Eastern Turkeys to Central Alberta as they are more cold tolerant then Merriam's (Has yet to happen but would be cool if it did)

[subtle bone]

I’m hoping Whitetail are getting a rework..

[tough sentinel]

I found some information about the summary of the long-term mountain goat management plan. I got it from the Government of Alberta's website, so you can get an idea of how their population has evolved.

The parks, protected areas, and biomes of Alberta

[jaunty hull]

Kinda like how the bighorn are in AZ, just more extreme. In AZ you get 1 tag/hunt in your life, and whether you come back with a bighorn or not, you can never apply again once you’ve drawn a tag.

[jaunty hull]

There’s a lot of species I’d rather see get a rework over whitetail. Grizzlies, Roosies, Coyotes, Gray Fox, White-Tailed Jackrabbit, all 3 Turkey subspecies, and many others.

[wide valve]

Alberta Biomes - can't wait for this!

[civic sable]

It will be a beautiful map from what I've seen. I just hope we can still get Wolverine and Grizzly on the list with all the Elk in game having some reworks.

Apparently there isn't any limit for Wolverine harvest in Alberta anymore. No reason they can't be on this map. Grizzlies can be hunted as well with an application. There seems to be hunting for over population and problem bears. So they could realistically be on this map as well.

[neon thorn]

I am as well. I'm really hoping for another Grouse, Canadian Lynx, & Wolverine or Badger. I'm fine with Black Bear although I would really prefer Grizzlies. Couger, Coyote, Red Fox or Swift Fox would also be fine with me having more of a predator/furbearer leaned reserve with rework predator population caps & territory (map displacement & pathing) so long as a Hares are added to balance the prey to predator food chain. No offense to waterfowl guys but the Goose & Wood Duck is my Cap here unless EW surprises me with Sandhill Cranes. At that point I could accept 3 waterfowl species. I've always wanted a true off grid & prey vs Predator balanced location & so far Alberta has that feeling based on the trailer. Medved is another good reserve that feels off grid but defn. could use a few more species added. Yukon, I had my hopes high to be off grid but fell alittle short in that regard but could be recovered with added species as well.

[chrome breach]

Honestly, if they left out one reserve in the year to focus on backfills and remodels/reworks, I'd be happy

[umbral lynx]

hell i would take one map a year till they backfilled the old maps to atleast 14 species

[tough sentinel]

I pray not to add Wild Turkey in Asiky Ridge.

[tough sentinel]

How many species do you think need reworked/remodeled?

[neon thorn]

I do agree with Huxley with the current Classes as follows:
• Any small game < 10lbs should be C:1. • C:2 (10-30lbs) •C:3 (30-50lbs) • C4: 50-150lbs • C:5 (150-300lbs) • C:6 (300-500lbs) • C:7 (500-1100lbs) • C:8 (1100-1500lbs) • C:9 (1500-2800lbs) • C:10 (2800+)

Though to me it makes more sense to make C:1 Birds Only C:2 (< 10lbs-30lbs) & C:3 (30-50lbs) & C:4-9 to remain as I listed above. My reasoning is simply based on authentic ammo rated applications & use. If it were up to me I'd ditch the #'d class system & convert game by game category & ammo would specify the appropriate game categories. UH did a fantastic job displaying how it should be. Classic is also on point but to list every caliber for each game animal gets stuffy & cluttered where simple game category "icons" is plenty with a minor description. Hornady & RWS are 2 companies that display this pretty well to properly equip the correct ammo for your hunt. "(Mind you hand loaders have more flexibility if 1 is able)" but it does assist folks to avoid overkill or underkill.

Point I'm making Grey Fox < 10lbs should be C:1 & the same for Swifts. However, if EW did do an overhaul to the classes making C:1 Birds Only it would justify:

•Hares/Rabbits •Grey Fox 9lbs •Tibetan Fox 12lbs •Red Fox 15lbs •Side Stripped Jackel 25lbs •Racoon Dog 22lbs •Bobcat 25lbs •Racoon 26lbs as C:2 Game from < 10lb - 30lb Game (Varmints /Small Game). I'd also expect 22LR to be 1-2 & 22H 1-3 with the adjustment.

C:3 (30-50lbs)
•Musk Deer-Muntjac-Coyote-Lynx 40lbs

Ofc the list goes on: https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1273124990723555491

[tough sentinel]

Sandhill crane? The Sandhill crane would have already migrated to the USA in November.

[civic sable]

This map could be based in October. Alberta can get quite a bit of snow in October.

[neon thorn]

I'm not expecting it here honestly. I'd rather EW use Frontier Park Wyoming along with the missing species to add them.

[tough sentinel]

For me, the other waterfowl species in Askiy Ridge is Northern Pintail.

[chrome breach]

I can't quite remember but mainly Grizzlies and Coyotes, but there's more
EDIT: The whole of Vurhonga

[tough sentinel]

Those species, yes sure. Yes, Vurhonga needs to be edited.

[chrome breach]

Also, not quite sure if it's possible from a technical standpoint but also overhaul some animal behavior
ANOTHER EDIT: BOOOAAARS

[neon thorn]

I just dont want to see more than 2-3 waterfowl when more furbears & upland birds need added. I want the waterfowl guys to get what they want & get an SP sized location with a boat to hunt 15-19 birds. If it were me I'd prefer 7 waterfowl, 7 upland birds, 1 rabbit/hare, 2 furbearers, & 2 C:4 medium game. Something SP failed to do miserably.

[tough sentinel]

I believe EW make only full-size maps in the future. Am I wrong?

[neon thorn]

I'm predicting after SP we're going to see 1 Full size & 1 SP sized reserve ea. Year. I'm not opposed to it to allow certain focused hunts along with adding new species with ea. release.

[tough sentinel]

Wyoming, American Revontuli Coast map with a lot of birds and small species. I like it. A full size map.

[neon thorn]

I have 2 Ver. for Frontier Park Wyoming •C:1-3 & •C:1-7 (if Alberta doesn't get Grizzlies I'll add them to my reserve). • https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1328486784044105819 • https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1342242999526232196

[tough sentinel]

It also is possible, but I think it is not common.

[neon thorn]

Alberta to me depending on the remaining 7 species would potentially be Wyoming of Canada but with different species & most likely climate/weather which is why I'm really excited plus its another Snow reserve.

[tough sentinel]

I do not like the size SP map because it is 1/4 of full size map and it is reduced a lot.

[neon thorn]

I thought it was fine for what it was I just hated the lack of Game Verity. Any future SP sized reserve should cover C:1-4 at the very least not another C:1-2.

[tough sentinel]

EW won’t create another North American map for a long time. During that time, I’d like them to release backfilling (DLCs or Update) with remodeled species and some surprising new ones in existing North American maps, while also developing maps in other regions—like Africa, for example.

[neon thorn]

Oh dont get the wrong idea I'm not Expecting another US reserve for a yr or 2 knowing South America & Africa need more locations but I'm not going to rule out the possibility with 2 reserve releases a yr again. Including this yr & the next 2 yrs thats 6 locations given the current pace. As for backfills I'd rather wait 2 yrs to get new species b4 adding to older reserves. I'd hate to see a reserve get filled 1 yr & have a new species that could be added but cant bc it already was filled to the 19 game cap. And I really dont want to see multiple reserves filled with mainly waterfowl either. I'd like a fair balance between waterfowl, upland birds & furbearers. Ofc if med- lrg game are missing them as well. Any existing species that may get added in the fill I'd also prefer they were updated/reworked 1st before moving them.

[tough sentinel]

What if the Great One species turns out to be the Mallard? The Mallards will have 6 maps!

[neon thorn]

G1's are the exception bc they are getting updated/improved overall. And I'll be honest I'd rather see 70% new and 30% reused minimum for future reserves. Any returning species that Have NOT been updated should be. The exception I have for many reused species would be like an SP style reserve with a specific dedicated game focus like Waterfowl, Upland Birds, Furbearers, maybe an invasive species scenario, or overpopulation cases, etc. It leaves room to add new species as well as narrative & hunting focused directions if EW is unable to do 2 Full-size reserves a year.

After Nepal I'm expecting any full size reserves to have more newly added species with some existing but with reworks if they havn't been already.

[tough sentinel]

Yes, I agree. Imagine if EW added the lion — with its old behavior and without being remodeled — to a new African map. It would be a nightmare! It same for Cape Buffalo.

[neon thorn]

Exactly which is 1 point why I dont like backfills often. I'd rather get a selection from the newly added species over filling with a handful that we have several reserves for already. I get the issue with the US & EU game list I truly do bc more often than not deer & moose are yes everywhere but overkilled when birds, Predators, & furbearers are missing. Africa & South America have exclusive game only found there so ofc its needed. But in the US & EU game listing overall were still waiting for reworks. EU: Roe Deer, Boar, & Eurasian Brown Bear. US: Missing alot of Upland Birds & Furbearers, ntm Bighorn, Pronghorn, Elk, Coyote, & Cougar reworks. & I forgot to mention waterfowl species from across the globe but I'll be honest idk if the game could handle every duck or goose out there 😅 but at the very least release the rare & most popular.

[tough sentinel]

A map has 8 species and another map has 19 species. It is out of balance. Because many species has the opportunity of backfilling and remodeled if is requested. And this is the reason EW is making many NA maps.

[neon thorn]

And I do agree. For example Beavers could be filled in 3 or more reserves. Wolverines maybe 2 currently, Badgers....several locations 🤣 & the list goes on but lets say we get a backfill now & 19cap older reserves with what we currently have. We could get new birds or game that could or would be perfect but a lass.....it cant bc its already capped 😮‍💨 thats why I'd rather wait to see what we get thats new as well as updated reworks &/or G1 potentials before a massive backfill update. & for the recored I'm praying Elk, Bighorn sheep, & Grizzlies if we got them got TLC with this release bc I can rule out wolves & mule deer due to the polls and trailer views.

[tough sentinel]

A map with fewer species and overpopulation is hopeless.

[neon thorn]

I'm not a fan of it. I mean I dont mind heavy prey populations if theirs a verity with them & ofc lower predator populations minus C:3 & below furbearer predators. But as I said before if the reserve narrative has a heavy population focus, that's different like Parque Fernando for example that intentionally has high puma populations.

[tough sentinel]

Speaking of geese, I prefer the new species the Greater White-fronted Goose over the overpopulated Canada Goose. Other candidate Goose species are the Ross’s Goose and the Cackling Goose. Tundra Swan and Trumpeter Swan are also two candidate swan species despite their “full” protection.

[tough sentinel]

Casually I hunted a cougar from the site of the lodge and it is the reason why I dislike its overpopulation. It is like hunting a street cat.

[neon thorn]

The behavior isnt right. I dont mind the overpopulation there but the spawn rate needs seriously adjusted to have it make sense otherwise your not wrong its too often. If they kept the population but had the respawn rate like Nepals cats it would be perfect in that regard. But again predator ai behaviors seriously need reworked. But credit where its due on Lynx, Red Fox, Snow leopards, Tigers, & Alligators. Salt Crocs I wish would ambush you if your in the water.

But yea again I hope Alberta has Canadian Lynx, Wolverines/Badgers, Grizzlies, & 1 more Grouse at least.

[strong scarab]

I hope the last seven include reworked coyotes, they need it so bad but as long as it's not 4 out seven are random bird species I'll take it

[neon thorn]

I'll accept 1 more Grouse we need more US Upland Birds. I'm fine we got pheasant & Bobwhites but I really want 1 more Grouse here with the Dusky & at a later release I hope we get Wyoming to finish up our Western Game with hopes it'll be Elk heavy.

[strong scarab]

I don't know if we'll get Wyoming, certainly wouldn't mind but I have my doubts. There was an option on the last poll for a western weapon pack tho. Voted for it and hoping that I wasn't in the minority on it but that might be as close as we get

[neon thorn]

I cant see EU getting all the glory on birds besides we need a reboot from SRP. Were still missing Upland birds, Furbearers, & lets not forget the reworks. With the survey for western themes to me that includes weapons, gear, a reserve, & most of all horses. Now I wont disagree South America & Africa need it most but I have some hope we will recieve a true Western Frontier reserve at somepoint. Not to mention if they did the mountains well in Alberta I can see justice with Wyoming over SRP. I also voted for it 🤠

[strong scarab]

I'm hoping to see some new lever guns and maybe a highwall or falling block rifle or several. As far as the mountains, I don't see too much birds here but I do see tons of elk

[neon thorn]

well it has 4 biomes but you get the idea 🤣 I've been trying to get some waves to further justify the weapons, location, & horses. But also to add new species.

[strong scarab]

Tbf, I'm not very interested in bird hunting so I don't look too close

[neon thorn]

yea aside from predators, furbears, deer & elk I love upland birds specifically Grouse & Quail. Idrc for pheasants & I really dont like waterfowl hunting except for Cranes bc they taste amazing.

[strong scarab]

I'm more interested in furred game than any bird but I have heard cranes are good

[neon thorn]

I usually am as well but I prefer eating Grouse & Quail over pheasant & cranes are amazing. Plus those birds are really fun to hunt. Pheasant is like deer to me just meat in the freezer without the thrill. Bow huntin's different that's a whole other feeling altogether.

[chrome breach]

Coyote + Grizzly + small pop Cougar for the win

[rare sorrel]

We need another good Grizzly map along with a model update .... So I'm really hoping Griz is on the list ... Along with Badgers or Wolverines .... And if they do Wolverines please get the sound right ....

[tough sentinel]

Come on! 🙄

[chrome breach]

Gid dangity dang

[chrome breach]

Well, maybe there's a reason as to why they won't reveal them all
Surprise maybe?

[bronze swallow]

Likely.

[rare sorrel]

They like to keep us in suspense to build the hype .... My guess / hope is release date will be the 10th which means full species list will be on the 6th with a launch trailer ....

They did also say earlier this morning that today's trailer will be the longest one yet ...

[tough sentinel]

Imagine the last 3 or 4 species to be released are all return species (mallard, wild turkey, pheasant, and red fox, for example) 😫

[bronze swallow]

It's more likely to be the species I put in my prediction than those, but who knows.

[chrome breach]

I hope it ain't as it's missing the Grizzly

[bronze swallow]

There will be no grizzly bear on this map, It's not official but it will be like this

[chrome breach]

Why are you so sure

[bronze swallow]

Because it is confirmed that there will be a black bear and that is why I think there will not be a grizzly bear.

[chrome breach]

That doesn't have to mean anything

[bronze swallow]

Just as I think there will be no mountain lion because there is already a gray wolf and a black bear.

[chrome breach]

Sure hope that isn't the case

[bronze swallow]

When the antler and furs variant surveys came out, I said that the summer map would be in Alberta because it's the only place where all the species in the surveys are found, and they told me the same thing: that it had nothing to do with it and that it would be in the Arctic. And look, in the end I was right. Well, the same thing will happen with this.
And the Great One will be the mule deer, because they have made variants of antlers and since they have touched the antlers, they already make the Great One on the way.

[bronze swallow]

Time will prove me right.

[bronze swallow]

Furthermore, of the remaining 7 species, 3 are the caribou, pronghorn and mountain goat, and the other 4 are completely unknown.

As a curious fact, this publication is a copy and paste of the prediction I made in December of last year and so far I was right the Wood Bison, Gray Wolf, Mule Deer, Moose, Bighorn Sheep, Snow Goose and Black Bear, and I was wrong Manitoba Elk because I forgot to take that into account at the time.
And you will most likely also get the Caribou, Pronghorn and Mountain Goat, and the Great One will be the Mule Deer.

[chrome breach]

That leaves room for 4 more...

[bronze swallow]

Yes, but the 4 unknown species will not be the grizzly bear or the mountain lion.

Most likely they will be species such as canadian lynx, spruce grouse, snowshoe hare, another duck or even a coyote.

[chrome breach]

What a disappointment then, lol

[tough sentinel]

This is just a worst-case scenario assumption for me. I really hope that’s not the case.

[bronze swallow]

Well, that's the most likely thing to happen.

[chrome breach]

if so EW sucks

[bronze swallow]

EW has its reasons for making each update as it sees fit, as they surely have plans for the future.

But it is true that EW is very predictable 80% of the time.
Or at least for me, because almost every time I propose my predictions they take me for crazy but I am almost always right with my predictions.

[chrome breach]

unfortunately

[rare sorrel]

Dang .... I hope your wrong .... No Offense 🤣

[bronze swallow]

Well yes, half the time I wish I was wrong with my prediction but it rarely happens.

[bronze swallow]

I thought the same thing, but when I saw where the map was and the species there, I lost hope...

[thorn stirrup]

Is it true? No polar bears?

[void fiber]

polar bears are a northern shore animal, they only go into Taiga when they're desperate for food - so yes no polar bears in Alberta

[thorn stirrup]

Ah well. That's unfortunate. I haven't played for a year and I don't think this is going to pull me back in.

[ember acorn]

Something deep down is still telling me that cougars are probably on this reserve… I don’t know why but something detail is telling me

[chrome breach]

@bronze swallow You were right, and I hate that you were xd

[bronze swallow]

It happens to me xd

[scarlet plaza]

I wonder if Pronghorn will be reclassed back to what it was before?

(Pronghorn being class 3 is so weird)

[umbral lynx]

its the only one left

we got 18 of 19 revealed

[outer tiger]

18? I thought it was 17.

[umbral lynx]

looks like harliquen to me

[outer tiger]

It’s got the head shape and head gear of a woodduck and if it walks like a woodduck, talks like a woodduck… it’s probably a woodduck.

[umbral lynx]

hhm i dont see that head feature but i hope its a woodduck. would leave more place for to new animals

[strong scarab]

Not colorful enough for a harlequin

[thorn stirrup]

I've just looked at species list. I think this is the first map I won't buy.

[tough sentinel]

I just guessed Pheasant and Mallard (50/50 of my prediction 😫) Why?!

Without the remodeled Grizzly 😭

[light mesa]

The map will be good, but kinda disappointing for the "big release". The winter map will surely not be any better, probably some me european map.

[ember acorn]

We got pheasant and Mallard BEFORE MOUNTAIN LIONS, COYOTES AND GRIZZLY BEARS?!!!!!! ARE YOU FOR REAL?! 😞 😭

[light mesa]

I think they try to cram GOs in, thats why black bear instead of grizzly, also pheasant.

[jolly olive]

Welp I was hoping for those animals and we couldn’t even get a grizzly 😭

[umbral lynx]

We still have a Chance that it will recive a remodel 🤞

[zenith anchor]

What a let down...

[jolly olive]

Literally we should’ve got a grizzly because we already have multiple maps with black bears

[zenith anchor]

Didn't get coyotes or Grizzly. Why did black bear need another map???

[tough sentinel]

The Black Bear is selfish!

[zenith anchor]

If they are trying to cram as many GOs in one map as they can, that's lame as hell. Not everyone plays this game for that

[chrome breach]

This particular thread seems to be the only disappointed thread (including me)

[umbral lynx]

Thank good they didnt add red fox instand of bison or the new elk

[tough sentinel]

Is the Mountain Goat remodeled with fluffy?

[umbral lynx]

We coulent see it god

[tough sentinel]

I am glad there are Mountain Goats in AR.

I hoped for a predator outside the new 7 chosen species and it resulted none.

[ember acorn]

Like for real, they picked MALLARD….over say MOUNTAIN LION….. I don’t I don’t understand I don’t get it. I don’t get why they pick Mallard when we already have so many gamebirds on this map.

[tough sentinel]

I’m tired of mallards showing up all the time in both COTW and WOTH.

[potent cedar]

we freakin dont want stupid mallards

[tough sentinel]

There are only 2 predators (Black Bear 😒 and Gray Wolf 🥰).

Pheasant and Mallard 😠

[chrome breach]

I mean, I like black bear still, but I'd pick a grizzly over it ten million times

[tough sentinel]

I agree with you

Predator hunting is almost irrelevant in Askiy Ridge.

[chrome breach]

At least Yukon can be better now, with the wolf rework and possibly updating the Caribou model (I'm not sure if they update subspecies of a whole animal)

[tough sentinel]

Yukon has only 9 species! Wolverine has the opportunity to be there. It is almost empty.

[light mesa]

I think even a couple of birds would be a good addition to the older maps with < 10 species. Would like ptarmigans on yukon.

[ember acorn]

I still have to say this I would’ve picked mountain lion 1000 times over Mallard Mallard’s need a break

[rare sorrel]

They throw in birds because they are easy to place as they don't take up as much terrain..... Mallards don't take up as much space or cost as much to render as Grizzles .... I'm not happy about it but that's the deal ....

They are still having to support the older consoles

[ember acorn]

Well, hopefully cougars grizzly bears coyotes and Ptarmigan get backfilled in the future

[rare sorrel]

The only other map that has this many species is RC and it's loaded with birds as well

[tough sentinel]

Adding them in AR in the future? I don't think

[rare sorrel]

I honestly would have given up Caribou for Grizzly or Cougar ....

[ember acorn]

I could definitely see cougar or coyote or Ptarmigan being easier to add down the line especially cougar…..grizzly might be a challenge though

[ember acorn]

Mallard too there’s just too many maps with mallards

[rare sorrel]

The bigger the animal is the more resource's it takes to render .... I definitely would have chosen Grizzly over black bear ....

[strong scarab]

So Askiy's whole shtick is beavers cutting down tree, and snow. They had the chance to add grouse, ptarmigan, musk ox, wolverines, swift foxes, reworked coyotes, porcupines, marmot, Martens, and snowshoe hares, and the perfect grizzly bear habitat

But we got ducks and geese and pheasants again. For what, the 5th map each? Yet here I am knowing I'll pay for the map anyway because the reserve exclusive weapon is my everyday deer rifle that I just about know will be stuck in the same 2-6 class range that has never made any freaking sense.

If there was any game at all that would compete with CotW I'd have deleted this year's ago

[rare sorrel]

another duck other than Mallard would have been better ... like Harlequin ....

[tough sentinel]

Mallard and Pheasant in Asiky Ridge the other time after Salzwiesen Park!!! 😠

[rare sorrel]

If the .30-30 doesn't have updated ammo that takes it to 3-7 .... I don't think I'll but it ..... At least not right away ... I'll have to let the disappointment wear off first ....

[stable mason]

Ja it's a bit of a let down in all honesty

[ember acorn]

Most of all, they finally had the opportunity to give us a Mountain Lion and Gray Wolf shared reserve! Plus, we could’ve finally got Canadian Lynx and Wolverine and American badger but no

[rare sorrel]

OMG I forgot about Lynx ... how could they leave off Lynx ???? In a Canadian reserve?

[strong scarab]

I'm legitimately pissed off because they reuse the same birds over and over again

[zenith anchor]

Also seems like they purposely put pheasant and black bear just to have 4 great ones on one map.

[strong scarab]

Like grinders are the only players that matter

[tough sentinel]

Bufflehead if you want a new waterfowl species

[sour musk]

yeah the large number of birds would not be as much of a disappointment if most of them were actually new species.

[light mesa]

5 with the new one, probably mule deer.

[zenith anchor]

Just what I thought. Not everyone plays hunting games for massive wild looking trophies

[rare sorrel]

Yeah well a new duck would have been better but I was just saying if you want to reuse an asset then choose one that hasn't been done to death .... Like Mallards

[sour musk]

I would have replaced the Pheasant with either Ruffed Grouse or Spruce Grouse, and replaced the Mallard with the Bufflehead. I can see why they included the Canada Goose (it would be a bit strange for the ONLY Canadian map to have no Canada Geese) so I'm not mad about them being on the map.

[light mesa]

Mallard just doesn't make sense, it's already on a ton of maps. Gadwal or harlequin would have been better.

[rare sorrel]

A year-round resident. In Kananaskis Country, Alberta, Harlequin Ducks can be found throughout the year. Their distribution and behaviour varies depending on the season. The breeding season takes place from April to June.

[tough sentinel]

A question: What species has the new Great One?

[strong scarab]

Here's the issue with that, grizzlies travel alone 95% percent of the time but they choice ducks that travel in groups of 10.

If they modeled predator behavior correctly we could have grizzlies that cost less resources than ducks

[sour musk]

the lack of Grizzlies is probably the biggest blunder of this new map tbh

[strong scarab]

Hasn't been said

[outer tiger]

Harlequin ducks are already long gone by the time of this map.

[rare sorrel]

Green or Blue winged teal would have been better than Mallard

[sour musk]

I would really like to see Blue Winged Teal in the future

[stable mason]

Personally, I like spot and stalk which is very, very ineffective in game for getting those massive and wild looking trophies. The only GO that I care for anyways is the Whitetail because to me it's the only one that isn't over the top goofy looking, but I don't care for grinding anyways

[frank pond]

Exactly the way I feel. I don't care about trying to grind, I'm just playing for fun. I don't think most of the GOs look very natural anyway.

[ember acorn]

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1379496450773221438 imma just going to leave this here

[zenith anchor]

gotta be honest. I had high hopes for this map and EW kinda let us down. There was so many new and wanted species that we didn't get, i really hope that they change their species list or backfill the map sooner rather than later.

[hard warren]

especially since the mallard and the pheasant don't need any remodeling compared to some animals and then there are even animals so much more interesting than birds. Sorry for those who are fans of bird hunting.

[tough sentinel]

New and exclusive image of a Snow Goose

[sour musk]

looks great

[bronze swallow]

where?

[tough sentinel]

The Beaver nibbling on the birch tree.

[rare sorrel]

Wait .... I have a stand in that tree ... 👀 .... What happens if you put up a stand in a tree and you come back to see this

[tough sentinel]

I fear so. This furry one will get what it deserves.

I think it is a Lookout Point

[covert heart]

are these coming from EW's social media?

[tough sentinel]

It is an outpost.

[tough sentinel]

I just found them on Google.

[covert heart]

oh wow

[civic sable]

Im hoping for Elk. If it's the Beaver let there be two Great Ones please.

Has it been confirmed if the older Elk got remodels?

[covert heart]

nothing confirmed and if i were to guess I would speculate not

[tough sentinel]

The Mallard also is possible because it has 6 maps.

[civic sable]

You are just trying to ruin my day aren't you 😂

[covert heart]

please god no 😭

id rather have beavers

and I hope for muleys

[tough sentinel]

Mule Deer? I think not because muleys are waiting for new antlers.

[covert heart]

I think them winning the antler poll is what makes them most likely

[tough sentinel]

The beaver is too new to be a Great One. Great One only for veteran species.

[covert heart]

they gave Tahr the G1 when it released with Sundar, it's possible

[tough sentinel]

You have the reason!

[sour musk]

This article mentions a "Great One Mule Deer" as one of the animals we can hunt on this new map. I wonder if this is a piece of leaked information?
https://xboxera.com/2025/06/03/thehunter-call-of-the-wild-askiy-ridge-preserve-map-dlc-sends-us-to-canada-17th-june/

[civic sable]

No Elk Great One 😭. The blows just keep coming.EW hates me lol

[tough sentinel]

Me? 😂 I am already ruined today because any of the species: Canada Lynx, Wolverine, Mountain Lion, Coyote, and Grizzly Bear were not added in AR.

[covert heart]

i suppose there still technically room for them in an NWT map that combines northern boreal woodland with peat bog, tundra, and arctic coastline with ice floes

[sour musk]

that's true for basically every one of those species except for Mountain Lions

[tough sentinel]

Yes, the species for the Great One is Mule Deer

[civic sable]

I think it comes down to how many maps EW wants to make. If they don't plan on many more then we will probably just get an Canadian Artic map but if they want more maps they will probably add Greenland and a BC/NWT map.

[tough sentinel]

I will look for the Broder Buck!!!

[tough sentinel]

You got the point right. 👍

[civic sable]

Elk didn't even have a chance in the poll. They weren't on there😭

[neon thorn]

"(Alberta)"
Waterfowl (5)
⭐ Northern Pintail
⭐ Wood Duck
⭐ Snow Goose
Canada Goose
Mallard

Upland Birds (2)
⭐ Dusky Grouse
Ring-Necked Pheasant

Furbearers (1)
⭐ North American Beaver

Predators (2)
Black Bear
Gray Wolf

Medium Game (5)
Bighorn Sheep
Mule Deer
Whitetail Deer
Mountain Goat
Pronghorn

Large Game (2)
⭐ Manitoban Elk
⭐ Woodland Caribou

Dangerous Game (2)
Moose
Wood Bison

Pheasant here was a really bad call & a HUGE missed opportunity to add another Grouse, Snowshoe Hare & Canadian Lynx. Wolverines & Grizzly was a 50/50 shot; with that said. I had better see Canadian Lynx, Wolverines, Arctic Fox, & Snow Hares in the future Canadian Arctic release.

Waterfowl guys got more game & congrates to them but EW....we need more US Upland Birds esp. with our Pointer! We have enough Ducks & Geese for awhile between the 4 new Ducks & Goose releases from SP & AR. If Pronghorn got a rework & reclass 👌.... if not bad call 😮‍💨 . Other than that, I'm pretty happy to see a wide spread of Western Medium & Large Game here. Beavers being added is a huge win, so is the Elk. However, the Caribou came out of left field & I welcome the new addition along with the reworks that were done. At 1st glance its a "6 out of 10". It'll depend on the Layout, Narrative, Game Placement/Population, & the new 30-30 if I rank it higher. Credit where its due EW, AR looks pretty good from the trailers & presentation overall despite the few missed opportunities.

[wind epoch]

Interesting...

[narrow talon]

I mean, if the Muley is the new GO, that's an absolute win. We got a nice selection of Western big game species, some new waterfowl, and I'm okay with a snowy pheasant map as a South Dakotan. Did I want wolverines, Canadian lynx, snowshoe hare, and grizzlies? Absolutely. Am I pleasantly surprised about the pronghorn, pintails, and caribou?? You betcha! Cougars I'll gladly deal without, coyotes could have been fun in the snow, but this map is going to be a blast! Just hoping for an upgrade to the .30-30 and pray they surprise us with snowmobiles.

[neon thorn]

Pretty much how I feel. Mallard, Pheasant, Pronghorn & Black Bear, feel out of place here to me. 1 more grouse, Snow hare, Canadian Lynx, & Grizzlies this game list would've been perfect. Personally I'd love to see an Argo over a Snowmobile but it would be really cool eitherway. The 30-30 though......out of the many weapons in our arsenal I'm praying it has 3-7 ammo & is redone with pure justice.

[narrow talon]

Definitely agree on the .30-30.

[strong scarab]

#1379657999680802816

[untold glen]

The mule is most suitable for GO. Because elk has three different species, caribou and reindeer are different also.

[jaunty hull]

Black Bear and Pronghorn are both common big game in Alberta. I’d say they absolutely deserve their spot on the map. Mallards could’ve been replaced with another Grouse or a Hare, and I would’ve preferred a Ruffed or Sage Grouse over Pheasants, but Pheasants are still fun.

[covert heart]

it also means a snowy pheasant map, which is nice considering their season overlaps considerably with first snowfall in many states

[tough sentinel]

🚨 SPOILER ⚠️
The new species of the Great One is...

[umbral lynx]

For gods Sake from where are you getting this Informations?

[covert heart]

was a game journalist's article, iirc it doesnt have listed sources but the facebook leak that said June 17th release date ended up being right so you never know

[umbral lynx]

Okay, i mean the tahr got also leaked in an E mail

[covert heart]

very true

[subtle bone]

But how do they suspect a g1 nuke deer from snow tracks?

[bronze swallow]

is fake

[olive geyser]

You sure?

[tough sentinel]

The maximum weight for a Mule Deer is 210 kg. I think the Great One Mule Deer would weigh a few kilograms more.

[civic sable]

I think k he's right. im seeing a lot of stuff online saying that website always throws stuff at the wall to see if it sticks. People are saying it's wrong all the time. It might end up Mule deer but it's not garuanteed by that article.

[civic sable]

Jaxy has stated in the stream before that Elk will most likely share the same G1 along the subspecies. I don't think them being different subspecies will matter. Not saying they will be the G1 on this map though.

[rare sorrel]

My disappointment meter is all the way on empty at this point .... It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't choose Mule Deer ....

When your already lower than whale shite on the ocean floor ... it cant get any lower ....

The only thing that will salvage this map for me will be if the .30-30 is actually useful and Elk as G1 .... But I'm not counting on it

[untold glen]

I want the mule because it has 4 maps now. ELK not. But both are beauty. I don't like GO predators.

[rare sorrel]

I will still buy it so I can punish beavers .... I need something to take out my disappointment on ... Beavers you got a big target on your back ....

[untold glen]

Be..LM 😎 I know who destroy tents. This is "ham-handed".

[civic sable]

Sounds like you may be getting the Mule G1 possibly. Congrats if so.

[untold glen]

I'm not a grinder but I like GO with antlers.

[civic sable]

Yea im definitely buying it. It will be a great map it just wasn't all i hoped for. The pluses are Elk , Wood Duck, Snow Goose Dusky Grouse and Beaver. Also snowy Canada biomes with the northern lights.

The negative is no coastal area, Stone Sheep, Dall Sheep, Grizzly, Wolverine, Fisher, Badger, Sandhill Crane, Ruffed Grouse ,

A negative might be no Elk Great One and can't speak on remodels because im not sure if the other Elk are remoded.

Overall still a good map is will buy it just could have been better.

[bronze swallow]

I can't find this information anywhere.
So I assume it's fake.

[tough sentinel]

I found this information on three websites:
xboxera
capsulecomputers
worthplaying

[civic sable]

Do we have to wait until release to find out if they remodeled any of the older animals like Elk. You would think having a new Elk model they would have remodeled the others?

[foggy parcel]

Hopefully caribou get remodeled too

[neon thorn]

I never said they didn't belong I just said it felt out of place is all compared to other species given its meant to represent like an off-grid wilds. Not to mention I was hoping to see more new species as well as some species we dont have more locations for. But it leaves the opportunity for them to appear in the Arctic reserve & a Western state like Wyoming esp. for our grouse. I'll be updating my Game list for Frontier Park with Grizzlies instead of Black Bear since we didn't get them here. Its a long shot but its worth pitching the concept for a later date. In the mean time overall AR looks promising & I cant wait to play it. I've been waiting for 7yrs for another snow reserve & it has Western Game to boot is a bonus. But I still need horses and a late 1800's weapon pack to really dive into it. So I'm praying the new 30-30 get the respect it deserves to tie me over 🤣

[jaunty hull]

Tbh Wyoming has nearly 800 grizzlies so grizzlies could work on Frontier Park. But I do like Askiy and it’s an all around good looking map. I feel like this map was more of a way to implement remodels and touch ups than new species. Sundar had only 2 remodels and 10 new species. With this map we’ve seen at least 5 touch ups with more likely to be seen (hopefully grizzlies 🤞).

[neon thorn]

Oh, I'll give credit where it's due theirs alot of work done with this release from what I've seen thus far that were needed. I'm just curious to see by how much when I see the patch notes. If executed well & not just visually it brings me hope that EW is looking fwd & not in a slump. I really wanted to like SP but it feels empty to me & very artificial over natural. Some oversights kinda killed the thrill for me as well with the winter update content itself. EW has a trend or code they always follow but the winter update was well... all over the place that was far from their trademark qualities.

[molten verge]

northern*

[neon thorn]

As for my WY concept its similar to AR in a way but with new species with new & familiar elements. I'd love to see the burrow update in my concept as well as seasonal elements applied. The beavers animation with the trees gives me hope that EW could pull it off. Though I'll have to reevaluate the number of new species added from previous & this release to determine EW's capacity to introduce new species. Now if EW applies my predator update thread to a certain degree, I'm fairly confident reserves could handle 20-21 species if population cap balances were carefully planned out. I'm still a firm believer that predators should have a low population cap over prey unless they are a narrative focus like how PF was. Though on PF I'm ok with the high Puma population but the respawn rate for them should be similar to Snow Leopard's & Tigers.

[molten verge]

wyoming would just be this map without caribou lmfao

as a colorado/wyoming border native i can say wyoming would be nothing too new. unless its heavy on small game (prarie chicken please)

[neon thorn]

Not really given my game list & features. It is similar but its not the same when you also consider the sagebrush sea.

[molten verge]

can you go ahead and ping me in the thread?

[neon thorn]

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1342242999526232196

[covert heart]

the mule deer remodel makes me happy

[molten verge]

they mad cute

[covert heart]

and the antlers actually look impressive now!

[molten verge]

they more detailed yah

[neon thorn]

I bet, it's been overdue for awhile. I'm looking fwd to the Elk but I have a sinking feeling that Roosevelt & Rocky Elk didn't get touched. I'd be amazed if they did.

[covert heart]

it would honestly be fantastic if both got redone but I sadly doubt it

could be pleasantly surprised tho

[neon thorn]

Though the curve ball for me was the Pronghorn & I'm curious if we made enough noise to get them reclassed. Ntm the new Caribou was unexpected as well.

[covert heart]

same, i wasnt expecting caribou or a remodel on mtn goat and pronghorn; was honestly quite shocked, maybe there's a chance for the elk after all

[neon thorn]

It is possible. This reserve release is heavy compared to previous releases from the reserve layout, game reworks, & animations. Only thing left is what they did with the new 30-30, Pronghorn reclass, & did the other 2 elk get reworked with this next patch?! 🤔

[subtle bone]

I-I-it- it’s beautiful 🤩

[jaunty hull]

OMG THE ANTLERS LOOK LIKE MULE DEER ANTLERS! FINALLY!

[molten verge]

fake

[molten verge]

yuh. huh.

[subtle bone]

The Manitoban Elk made https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1375377136466268170

[tough sentinel]

Remodeled RM Elk and Roosevelt Elk with the update? It makes happy everyone!

[civic sable]

Im still holding out that's the next Great One and its shared among the other elk and then they would have to be remodeled. With the web pages saying Mule deer it's not sounding good for the Elk.

[hard warren]

after this page is not an official website so they can just say stupid things to bring back customers

[tough sentinel]

When a species has multiple subspecies, it’s hard for it to be chosen as a Great One species — that’s how I see it. If each subspecies had its own Great One, would they have distinct models and skins, or would they all share the same one? I don’t like the second option.

[hard warren]

Are the Tibetan fox and the gray fox subspecies of the red fox?

[civic sable]

It's hard to say. I know EW is definitely thinking of having Elk share a Great One among the species if they ever go that route because Jaxy had mentioned that in the streams. im not against it because their antlers and body's are very similar.

[tough sentinel]

No

[hard warren]

ok that was to be sure, so to see if the elk is the Great One, since we haven't had a great one on animals that have subspecies yet, we just have to wait to see who the real great one is. I still hope it's Elk and it's on the different subspecies because they look alike in the game anyway

[tough sentinel]

The Great One Mule Deer give players more opportunities to obtain this reward on different maps and avoid it becoming monotonous on a single map.

[hard warren]

Yes, I understand that, but for the moment it's not really sites linked to the game license that have said it, so it's probably not this animal. Hoping it's one of the two or any other animals on this map.

[tough sentinel]

EW thinks that some players want to experience mallard and pheasant hunting on snowy map. This is the reason why there are Pheasant and Mallard in Askiy Ridge, I think.

[hard warren]

So it is because of these people that instead of the mountain lion and/or the grizzly bear we have the mallard and the pheasant.

[rare sorrel]

No we have mallard and Pheasant because it was quicker and more cost effective to do it that way

[hard warren]

Yes, I had thought about that at first, since their remodeling was just recently.

[tough sentinel]

oversupply

[umbral lynx]

the reserve map

was posted by vivi in https://discordapp.com/channels/393040947006406657/818877458140627044

better quality

[rare sorrel]

Hoping the wolf rework will also apply to Yukon & Medved ....

[ember acorn]

Hoping Mountain Lions, Grizzly Bears and Coyotes will Eventually get Backfilled on this map….Aswell as Remodeled, Reworked…And most of all For Cougars Fixing All the Issues we have with them

[chrome breach]

Not that I disagree, but man, you are everywhere

[hard warren]

When the pheasant and mallard remodel arrived, it was on all the maps where we find them, so I suppose it's the same for all the remodels for this map.

[ember acorn]

Just trying to Spread the word 😉! But no seriously all three really need to be remodeled and reworked and cougars really need some fixing up Cough “Tiger/Snow Leopard Treatment” Cough

[covert heart]

it brings me immense happiness

[subtle bone]

Same, I’m also really hoping that those new snow effects on the trails and on the animals are on other maps like Medved and Yukon and stuff

[untold glen]

This map will be the second sorrow for grinders after NEM.

[untold glen]

100% it will

[ember acorn]

Potential Backfill Species for the future both New and Returning with Remodels and Reworks Big Fixes that Need to be Added
1: Cougar/Puma/Mountain Lion🧑‍🔧
2: Grizzly Bear 🧑‍🔧
3: Coyote 🧑‍🔧
4: Canadian Lynx ⭐️
5: Wolverine ⭐️
6: Ptarmigan
7: American Badger ⭐️

Some that could be added much further down the wall
8: Red Fox
9: Miriam Turkey
10: Bobcat 🧑‍🔧
11: Rocky Mountain Elk
12: Wild Boar 🧑‍🔧
13: Feral Pig 🧑‍🔧
14: Raccoon
15: Swift Fox ⭐️
16: Snowshoe Hare ⭐️
17: Common Loon ⭐️
18: Gray Fox

[strong scarab]

Alberta. When I first heard of the map location I fully expected at the absolute least GO Grizzly bear, the remodels sounded amazing, and the new .30-30 was just icing on the cake.

Now, there's no Grizzly, the remodels sound great but we got repeated mallards and pheasants instead of something more unique to the region.

The .30-30 description still says small to medium game and even though it specifically says whitetail deer and wolves, I'm worried they didn't change the class range.

Having used a .30-30 for literally 20 years at this point I can tell you that aside from coyotes it would absolutely shred anything "class 2" sized and no one I've ever met used it for animals that small.

It should be at 3-7 but I'm afraid they didn't change anything about it as this is what the Whitlock. 30-30 and the current high pen ammo do with close wolves

[strong scarab]

Dunno if you've looked super close yet, but the new antlers look absolutely amazing

[covert heart]

I have and I am overjoyed; there was a buck in Rocky Mtn National parkt hat wandered around some visitor areas when i was a kid that had an almost identicial rack

only difference was his rear fork on the left had a short tine

[strong scarab]

The little fork on the tine off the right right beam is my absolute favorite detail

[tough sentinel]

Askiy Ridge could be the number one predator hunting with many different species of predators: from Swift Fox to Grizzly Bear.

[covert heart]

it makes it all the more awesome and gives me hope for what the rest of the racks will look like

[strong scarab]

I'm looking forward to the animals, for the most part. But I've got worries in other ways

[covert heart]

praying and hoping the .30-30 gets a buff 🙏

[strong scarab]

It's not just the rifle, although I have to admit that's my biggest concern, something I noticed about the outposts in almost every map is that they're positioned in weird places

[strong scarab]

If that's a poster I can get, I'd appreciate a lead on it.

[covert heart]

ah yeah outpost placement can be wonky

[strong scarab]

Another thing is how the different biomes flow into each other, Sundarpatan has a weirdly hard line between the biomes that feels kinda weird. But then there's Emerald Coast where it all goes together naturally

[covert heart]

from the trailers weve been shown it seems like they slowly bleed into each other with the only hard cutoff being a natural one with the timberline cutoff on the mountains

[sour musk]

yeah from what we've seen it appears that there will be transition areas where the different biomes meet, like where the boreal forest meets the parklands or where the mountains meet the boreal forest, etc.

[strong scarab]

I sincerely don't like hard cuts unless it makes sense, like a narrow gap in a steep Ridge that drops into a valley. Too many hunting games takes that route, like WotH, the transylvania map feels really fake because of it

[subtle bone]

I wonder why EW said they aren’t ready to add Polar Bears? Classic already has them.

[rare sorrel]

classic is much older and they can't use models from classic for COTW

[queen kite]

I thought they said they couldn't do walruses justice right now, not polar bears, and that polar bears are just not in this map because it's way too far south

[strong scarab]

The Lopierre Outrider is a .30-30, one of which we have in game already as a 2-6. But as the reserve rifle for Askiy Ridge the Outrider has to be better than the Whitlock. Not only is the Whitlock a base game gun, it only competes with the .243 in the base game.

The Outrider has to be a different class set than the original rifle to be different in a meaningful way. They also just released an SKS covering 2-6 as well.

It would make sense that the Outrider covers a separate class range from the Whitlock and sks right? They wouldn't make the only difference between them is that the Outrider can use all the regular scopes, right?

Or am I just coping?

[neon thorn]

Seems to be the pattern. New weapons usually end up being better than the previous releases esp. Reserve released weapons. So I have no doubt it'll be better than the base game but I'm really hoping that EW is moving fwd to expand ammo use. I would be ecstatic if we can use both ammo options with the new 30-30 I really do. But as mentioned it'll likely be similar to the 10ga where 1 has brass & 1 uses plastic shells. The only difference in this case would be a 3-7 class over 2-6 though I still think it should be 3-8 with a bison reclass to be used on majority of the game in this release. If they can make 10ga birdshot 1-2 to be applied in SP I see no reason why the new 30-30 & ammo shouldn't follow suite here.

[strong scarab]

I'd love to see the .30-30 as a 3-8, I'd fully expect it to be as slow downing class 8 animals as the 7mm is with class 9 tho. I'm not sure how they intend to implement the new ammo but if they make it interchangeable it'll be the first caliber with 4 cartridge options, which makes me doubt they'd do it at all

[neon thorn]

I'm expecting it given the Hudzik is the ONLY Rifle with 2 classed ammo so I wouldnt be suprised if we see that here as well.

[strong scarab]

They put out a short called Let's talk about the Outrider and then proceeded to say absolutely nothing and show off the landscape

[neon thorn]

I'm predicting 1 of the 2 will be 2-6 & the 2nd will be 3-7/3-8. It would be interesting to see 4 options though.

[strong scarab]

I'm not sure how they'll do it, but I doubt the Whitlock will be able to use the new ammo

[neon thorn]

oh I wasn't expecting the base game 30-30 to use both options. If they did allow the base & new it would be exclusive to the new release. But I'm predicting the new 30-30 will be 2-6/3-7(8) just like the Hudzik 3-7/4-8. I'd be disappointed if both new ammo options were single class ranged.

[strong scarab]

Then I'd be prepared for disappointment. I already am, but for other reasons

[neon thorn]

Only reason why is bc EW needs to expand their horizons moving fwd if they plan to keep the game fresh. I'm hoping they will or their keeping silent on a 3rd franchise title for new gen. I have my doubts they'll optimize TH:CotW after 8yrs in leaving the old gen guys behind.

Plus I've been urging them to release 2 class ammo options over continuing to have 2 options for the same class when we all know everyone is going to only use the tier 2 option.

Theirs only a few calibers with 1 option & too me they fair well considering.

[strong scarab]

They announced testing for a survival game a while back and it was pretty clear what their survey was hinting at. Cotw2 is not on the radar.

If they don't intend to update to next Gen they could at least update all the guns to be more realistic. Whatever sense of balance was supposed to be there has been buried by years of dlcs introducing one meta rifle after another. The class system itself is outdated and makes precious little sense.

They need to rework the rifles to at least work as well as they do in Classic and make all of them useful. So many good guns are absolutely ignored because they can't compete with dlc options

[neon thorn]

I agree with yea, something needs to change & we've had a heavy focus on Game & Reserves but the weapons havn't really been touched but I'll give credit where its due I did like the scope Dlc but I really had hoped they would've been compatible with nearly every weapon. I would use the lever 10ga often if the shotgun scope was compatible. & I'll confess the weapon I use the most often is the Mosin M44 Carbine (Solokhin - 7.62x54R). I use it on nearly every game in-game next to the M1 despite all of the added Dlc weapons including the 375 H&H which I only use when I'm playing on Yukon.

[strong scarab]

I've used practically nothing but the .44 Moradi since it came out. It's so broken you can kill anything in sight and nothing walks away from a half decent hit

[neon thorn]

I honestly can say I havn't really used it. The only time I recall using the .44 was on a gator hunt other than that I havn't touched it.

[strong scarab]

Lever action rifles are my go to for any game or hunt irl

[neon thorn]

I typically go with what the mood strikes me though I particularly love bow & black powders....wish we had more 😮‍💨. Though lever wise irl I havn't picked one up bc I can't decide 😅 & I have to be careful, or I get into trouble 😂

[narrow talon]

I use the .44 Moradi a lot, especially for black bear hunting on NEM. It's the perfect lever gun and black powder map. I know all the species weren't new when it came out, but it's arguably one of the most immersive maps on the game, and I think hunting the woodlands is a relatable experience for anyone who hunts them frequently IRL on most of the east coast and Midwest. I'm hoping Askiy Ridge brings that same feeling for all the western and Canadian hunters.

[strong scarab]

The only spot that gives me that feeling of being right at home is the western side of Mississippi Acres. Those hills are extremely close to what I grew up in but there's not enough of them to feel like home

[narrow talon]

I mean, home for me is the corn and bean fields of southeastern South Dakota, but there are a few little state parks and public hunting areas along some of the rivers that are quite reminiscent of the woodlands of NEM. Those are my favorite deer, turkey, and squirrel spots close by. That said, my mom's side of the family lives in the Smokies in western NC, so that's another reason why I'm partial to NEM because it has a bit of that feel. I've yet to find anything in CotW to replicate the feel of the Black Hills and the rolling plains of far western SD where I like hunting muleys and pronghorn though. SRP might be the closest, but still don't get that sentimentality that comes with terrain right out of your fondest memories. Lol

I will say that a lot of Yukon feels like what it should for an Alaska map, especially once you get on the tundra. Feels right. Just need more Grizz and caribou in those places.

[strong scarab]

I grew up in the Cumberland gap area, limestone boulders, briar thickets, oak and beech and hickory as far as you could see. Steep hills and narrow little gulleys full of brush. The occasional creek might run a foot deep or ten feet down, or it'll spread out a little swamp. Deer, turkey, pigs, and squirrels all over. Occasional bears, but they're getting more common

[narrow talon]

Nice! Most of my remaining family on that side lives in Robbinsville, some in Murphy, with a few in the Copper Hill, TN area. My dad's family is from SD, parents met in the Air Force in Omaha, so I'm a Nebraska native raised in South Dakota with southern blood. 🤣

[strong scarab]

I was born and raised in the middle of Tennessee then married a Finn and we moved out to Wyoming, I've yet to find a place in game that really feels like where I grew up hunting though

[narrow talon]

Yeah, and not everyone is going to have that in this game by any means. I know there's been a push for a "Dakotas" map in the feedback threads, but I don't see it happening and frankly I'm not sure it could do it justice. The more maps you have coming, the more repetitive it gets, especially coming from the same country or even continent. That wears on people.

[strong scarab]

Truth be told, the only map that really clicked when I played it was Emerald Coast. Not sure why, but it felt like I'd hunted there before. With Askiy Ridge I don't know, it's got basically the same game as where I live now and what little I've seen feels familiar but I don't know if it'll be that kind of, home ground (?) experience. The .30-30 helps tho, it's my go to hunting rifle for just about everything

[rare sorrel]

What I mean is that EW can't just pull a model of an animal or even a weapon and port it directly into COTW ... They have to be recreated from scratch ... Thats why they are not prepared to do Polar Bears at this point .... It has nothing to do with Classic already having a polar bear model .....

[strong scarab]

There was a lot that they knew from classic, particularly like the way the guns worked, that they chose not to implement. Sometimes I wonder exactly why they changed so much

[rare sorrel]

The design decisions on the guns leaves me baffled as well ....

[barren igloo]

Classic was created by Emote Games Studios, using their proprietary Emote Engine.
Expansive Worlds acquired the studio and renamed it Expansive Worlds in 2010. No animals, weapons, mecanics, maps, or settings from Classic are compatible with the Apex Engine used in CotW

[strong scarab]

I don't mean in terms of assets and the code work, I'm saying they could see how the guns worked in a good hunting game and chose NOT to just stick with that method

The digital stuff I understand had to be different, the way it worked and three research done by the pervious devs was wasted by the changes EW made

In classic the .270 is permitted for coyote, feral goats and roe deer up to caribou and red deer.
Yet, we got a .270 with a roe deer engraved on it that can't be used on roe deer for full score

[neon thorn]

I agree NEM is fantastic & the narrative was pretty good as well.

[strong scarab]

Apparently the .300 from classic was even permitted for roe deer and coyotes alongside all the deer and sheep in game

[neon thorn]

Yea everything I've seen from Classic is fairly legit. I'm not sure what EW was thinking changing it in CotW. It would've made more sense to me to use game category over #'s. Because the issue I have with Classic is the congestion with the caliber listing for each game. EW shouldve utilized that including ammo for those categories. Thats 1 thing I'm looking fwd to with UH. I cant wait till the Demo gets streamed. I'm expecting a mess ofc since it will most likely not be polished but I'm anxious to see the features in real time. But Alberta is bringing me bk to CotW since I got burned out trying to get some mounts completed. Now I can look fwd to new wolf models & possibly new multi mounts for my predator lodge.

🙏 EW do the new 30-30 justice.

[strong scarab]

They can't leave it the same if it's a reserve weapon, it has to be new in some way aside from just using the scopes

[narrow talon]

We need snowmobiles for this map and Medved. I want to hunt caribou and reindeer from snowmobile like they do on Life Below Zero. Lol

[neon thorn]

I'd prefer to see an Argo with tracks & they're amphibious

[subtle bone]

What’s everyone’s thoughts on a Brown Bear remodel?

[foggy parcel]

I remember hearing about an upcoming africa demo, did they reveal when that’s releasing?

[strong scarab]

#1120101900096909383

Pretty popular I'd say, people love the idea of a grizzly model but brown bears don't look too bad to me

[light mesa]

it looks good. I prefer they work on horrible models like lion, grizzly and coyote.

[bronze dune]

Yeah the 9.3x74r has the biggest list. Coyote to water buffalo I believe

[subtle bone]

My opinion, it could have a few little tweaks and I’d be even better. But yes, many other annals need reworks like Grizzly Bears and Coyotes..

[rare sorrel]

Less than 24hrs till another Alberta info dump .... Cheers

[neon thorn]

They just said this Summer so anytime between June-August but no official date at this time. The demo is PC Only as well. Based on the release order PC then it'll release on console sometime after. I'm going to presume the VR ver. will release when it releases on console or sometime after unless they confirm they wont be releasing it on VR. As of now its supposed to release on PC, Xbox, PS, & VR. I didn't see it mentioned that it would release on the Switch.

[narrow talon]

Well, love the irons on that new .30-30, but it's still 2-6. 🤦‍♂️

[bronze dune]

Yeah it looks good but its a reskin of the winchester 94 in game. Same junk ammo and class list, same capacity, same zeroing, but it gets to use normal scopes i guess. What were they thinking.

[narrow talon]

The new deer animations and the fluffier pronghorn look awesome, though!

[stiff meadow]

My thoughts on Askiy Ridge summarized (pre-release)

Upsides

• Its a Canadian Reserve, something I have been wanting forever
• Its set in my home province, and while its something I did not ask for I am happy to get it
• New Elk Subspecies plus Wood Bison and a North American Grouse species
• Revenge on the tent-wrecking, blind-busting beavers is now a possibility

Downsides

• Mallards and Pheasants when I would have rather seen newer upland species and ducks (White-tailed Ptarmigan and Lesser Scaup come to mind)
• No Grizzly Bears, Coyotes or Cougars (Its the perfect season to hunt cougars on an Alberta map)
• I still wish we got an Arctic map with Polar Bear, Walrus and Muskox (That could still happen, after all Canada is a massive country and Greenland is geographically speaking, North American)
• The 30-30 has not been improved in any way, they should have at least changed it to cover Class 7 Animals like Black Bear and Elk or added a new ammo type that covers Class 3 to 7 Animals for the 30-30

[sour musk]

completely agree, it doesn't necessarily look like a bad map but there was definitely some missed opportunities with it

[tough sentinel]

Nosler Partition, 30-30 Win, 170 Grain, Nosler Partition, 2200 fps.
Is this good ammo for the new mission weapon (class 3-7)?

[strong scarab]

Used this my first year in Wyoming to kill an elk and two black bears. It'd be perfect for 3-7/8

I doubt they'd actually care enough to add it though

[tough sentinel]

I see the problem with the new mission weapon. Probably the beaver is the reason.

[strong scarab]

Almost certainly. For all I know it's the new GO, wouldn't surprise me. I know other people are super excited but I can't. The only thing unique to the map is two subspecies, beavers, and the rifle. I'd see the new snow and reworked animals on half a dozen other maps. I was super excited to get my irl rifle in game but they just reskinned it. I'm seriously disappointed more than if it had been a different weapon altogether

[tough sentinel]

The GO beaver?! 😟 It would make sense for the new mission weapon.

[strong scarab]

Makes perfect sense, new animal, new mechanic, new animations. Great One beaver. Just as pointless as a reskinned Whitlock

Could have had a great one lynx that would have been ten times more interesting

[tough sentinel]

The two Great One Beaver. It would be another disappointment for me!

[strong scarab]

Ah dude, these guys were my childhood!

Explains a few things really. . .

[tough sentinel]

Or the zombie beavers from the 2014 American horror movie Zombeavers (the second image)

[neon thorn]

Even so as a new model it shouldve been considered to mix the old with the new with 1 ammo type 2-6 keeping the base game function & the new ammo at 3-7 thats exclusive to the new model....no drawbacks & everyone gets what they want or if its simpler since EW is getting lazy make it a 2-7 since the Moradi is a 3-8. If your going to take the time to draw up an advertisement screenshot follow through. We were robbed its that simple. The only recovery here is a buff to the new model, reclass 30-30 to 2-7 since they falsely advertised new ammo, or 3rd release a gear pack with a caliber ammo expansion. It wouldn't be game breaking if we had a 2nd rifle with 2 different class ammo options just as the Hudzik is 3-7/4-8. I'm begging EW to apply this to all calibers making SP's & HP's useful again. Its pointless to have 2 same class options when 98% of the player base uses PT's & HC's bc they outperform SP's & HP's. I just dont get it I really dont. Its a waste of time and development to keep releasing 2 ammo options with the same class. Also new weapons are suppost to be unique & in a way exclusive not reskins. With this being a reserve only release I expected EW to follow their own MO as past releases with it being paired for the game in the reserve. Nepal the Gandhare was 4-8 & reclassed to 4-9 as it shouldve been given the Tigers. SP the O/U 10ga birdshot was reclassed from C:1 to C:1-2 to be justified on a C:1-2 reserve. I see no reason why the new reserve exclusive 30-30 should be any different esp. with the new game releases with beaver, caribou, & elk. Idk what the beaver is classed (probably a C:2?) but it wouldve made sense given the screenshot to be 2-6 keeping the old base game range with the new 3-7 ammo to pair well with the reserve as well as making it more authentic to the real deal. I hope EW realizes they made a big mistake & corrects it to make it up to the players. Otherwise, the reserve looks good even though the overlooked adding new species.

[subtle bone]

Since we got Wood Bison, Manitoban Elk, Woodland Caribou. Do you guys think normal Caribou, Plains Bison and Both species of Elk will get a rework?

[umbral lynx]

Hopefuly

[rare sorrel]

It really depends on how the game engine stores the model data .... Does each map have it's own version of species models or are they global in order to save mem and storage space ???

It may also be both where some models are loaded globally but each map can overwrite some models with it's own version ....

This is the argument against sub-speciation .... When there are not enough visual differences between sub-species to justify the memory / Storage costs ....

[digital sierra]

g1 pronghorn?

[subtle bone]

Would be sick

[digital sierra]

its definitely coming just a pretty big chance its coming with alberta imo

[subtle bone]

It should be mule deer

[umbral lynx]

👀

[digital sierra]

maybe its both

[umbral lynx]

Hhm there were many Websites confirming mule deer as the GO. Guees we have to wait and see

[digital sierra]

can you tell me a bit more about it? because how would they know

[rare sorrel]

It was probably a leak or supposed leak that other sites picked up and re-posted

[digital sierra]

they also say where you spawn and how many missions im just confused

[rare sorrel]

Mule Deer is a good a guess as any

Tomorrow is NDA drop for CC's so maybe we will find out soon

[umbral lynx]

Most websites are often getting abbit more informations from the developers. I remember that atleast one website had images that werent posted anywere by EW (they were also posted in thus thread ). Its likly that like JJ said one website leaked it and other then edetited that into their articels.

[digital sierra]

alright thanks also what do you think of this #1245092299709485079 do you think it will come bc the wip tag got added?

[umbral lynx]

hhm i dont know. its the only post with this tag and you cant add it to your post. but remember (i´m pretty sure) that Mr. Schrader was a mod sometime ago and mods can do some things normal people cant do.

[lament orbit]

Mule deer great one confirmed

[narrow talon]

All but confirmed, but yeah it looks like it. Can't wait to see more, sounds like the news will officially drop tomorrow.

[civic sable]

Where's the info about the Mule deer Great One. Haven't seen anything. Im at work.

[narrow talon]

They accidentally released and quickly deleted a teaser that's supposed to go live tomorrow. Shows what looks like a potential Muley Great One silhouetted against the moon. Wonky antlers, though. Almost looks like a Caribou.

[civic sable]

Yea it did look a little weird. Would rather have an Elk G1 but at least it's not just a beaver Great One

[narrow talon]

I'm just happy it's another deer species GO.

[narrow talon]

Honestly, now it's looking an awful lot like an elk.

[civic sable]

It's looks more like the Mule deer in the face. Definitely Mule Deer unfortunately for me lol. Elk will hopefully get the love one day.

[bronze dune]

Looks more mulie to me, larger head to neck compared to the elk. Antlers look more elk like but who knows.

[untold glen]

I'm tired of these puzzles and beavers.

[lament orbit]

The antlers make me think it’s an elk tbh

[hard warren]

It has the horns of a elk, but its body looks more like that of a mule deer. Weird

[balmy cloak]

From the side it def looks like Elk, I believe we are finally getting G1 elk or Caribou!

[tough sentinel]

It is Mule Deer

[digital sierra]

nice photoshopped image!

[tough sentinel]

Yes, thank goodness because the antler design is horrible.

[digital sierra]

best i could make was this lol

[hard warren]

but can a mule deer actually have horns like that?

[digital sierra]

probably, classic had something similar

[hard warren]

I can see from the ears that it's a mule deer, but why elk horns? I decided to take some pictures of mule deer, regardless of the subspecies, to give you a comparison of the horns. But it's weird, maybe there's a hybrid between the mule deer and the elk.

[rare sorrel]

Look at some of the other G1 designs ..... The furs aren't exactly realistic ....

[hard warren]

Yes, it's true that it's not very realistic. Here, it's more the horns that aren't realistic for a mule deer. But it looks very pretty.

[rare sorrel]

Non typical antlers can look pretty strange ... It's the G1 skins they come up with that are total fantasy

[olive geyser]

That looks like a Muley to me

[hard warren]

When we look at the ears of the animal and compare those of the elk and the mule deer, we see that the animal has more round and large ears like those of the mule deer than small ones like those of the elk.

[light mesa]

If it's really a mule deer then that's such a bad choice for a rack. I hate those ugly reindeer racks.

[tough sentinel]

I watched the video clip of the supposed G1 Mule Deer. The antlers look badly designed and don’t fit well with the actual antlers of big bucks.

[balmy cloak]

It is Mule deer!!!!!

[subtle bone]

MULE DEERRRR

What is that rack though 😭 💔

[balmy cloak]

That’s the most wild non-typ rack ever lol

[subtle bone]

This g1 grind gonna be interesting..

[rare sorrel]

I'm interested to see if that's the only variation or if they have more designs .....

[lament orbit]

It won’t be the only one

[subtle bone]

SNOW APPEARS ON HARVEST SCREEN

[balmy cloak]

Wood Bison dimes look epic!

[untold glen]

bad. if rare fur.

[subtle bone]

True

[untold glen]

Early access on all channels but no information about G1. Fur, antler.

[subtle bone]

The g1 is mule deer

[untold glen]

I understood it but lack of further information is slightly annoying. The map started on YouTube.

[subtle bone]

I don’t understand the last bit

[untold glen]

Today we have seen hunt in the new map on YouTube. Community of bloggers will to grind a new G1 soon. It disappointing because of ordinary hunters without early access should wait. I don't watch but I'd glad to see more of information.

[subtle bone]

Ah okay, but yes 100% agreed.

[light mesa]

Screen capture from trigger happy yt video. Looks nothing like the real bird, just a recolored hazel grouse.

[subtle bone]

Oh gosh… please tell me this isn’t true…..

[light mesa]

Like where are the iconic yellow brow and red thoracic sac. Such a disappointment.

[light mesa]

huh maybe its based on animation, my bad.

[subtle bone]

Nah you’re all good, and it wasn’t the animation. It was just a female I’m pretty sure.

Muley rare furs look soooo gooddddd

Recognised subspecies 🙏

Rocky elk rework or am I just being tricked by all the fluff?

[olive geyser]

Where'd you get that from?

[olive geyser]

I remember when TH had only 1k subs 🥹 . I'm quite lucky having him added on discord

[umbral lynx]

Yeah from where?

[rare sorrel]

Dont be concerened about CC's gettin g to grind early .... They have been told not to grind before offical release .... at least that what they report ...

[untold glen]

It feels like devs are shy to show a new G1. Instead of thinking about interest information they gave me fear to go on YouTube.

[tough sentinel]

I think so. The G1 Mule Deer was a bad surprise for me.

[subtle bone]

What is up with this? You can’t even see the unique colours in the harvest screen?

[covert heart]

well yeah, dusky grouse only fan their tails and show off their eybrow ridges and gular sacks when they strut, otherwise they're just grey with some brow color, which varies from rooster to rooster and can be quite restricted/faint in some individuals

[subtle bone]

So we will see their unique colours in the harvest screen?

[covert heart]

if you shoot one while it's strutting yes, but otherwise itll be ye olde high altitude grouse

[subtle bone]

Phew.. thanks 👍

[untold glen]

Is it Simba uncle? Scar?

[subtle bone]

Only 2 new multi-mounts coming with the update.. what a disappointment…

[subtle bone]

To answer your and @umbral lynx question, someone posted it in #🦡︴cotw-scotland.

[umbral lynx]

There where like 5 multimounts found in the game files months ago, 4 of them would have been perfect for the map.

2x Bighorn ramming up against auch other, same with mule deer. Pronghorm huddle and a cougar pouncing on a Mountain Goat

[subtle bone]

Ah yes, I remember this. Should have gave us all of these..

Also, do you guys think that all the new snow affects will come to Sundarpatan, Yukon and Medved?

[umbral lynx]

Like the snow that gets flatten when you walk over it ? I would hope but i think catlin confirmed in her first EA Video that this feature is unique to Alberta

[subtle bone]

Yeah, all the new snow affects. Even the ones that accumulate on the animals backs. That’s really disappointing if she did say that..

[umbral lynx]

The snow on the back of the animals will Happen on all snowy maps. Vivi already confirmed that

[subtle bone]

Yay, thanks

In Scarecrows video, he said he will make a video on all the other reworked species on the other maps except Askiy. I know Caribou got a rework but what do you guys think might be getting a rework?

[hard warren]

Elk maybe

[olive geyser]

Ik that, but which creator is that from?

[rare sorrel]

One thing that is beneficial about support for older consoles is that EW has to be strategic with the allocation of in game resources .....

This means they can't have multiple models being stored in the game files for the same animal ....

If there is not much difference between the subspecies from a visual standpoint then I think they will apply the updates eventually to the other maps...

I would think at least you should see new Mule deer on SRP as well as Big Horn .... I wouldnt be surprised to see new Mnt Goats and maybe Bison as well ....

[severe pasture]

Please tell me your kidding

[subtle bone]

@severe pasture, don’t worry that’s what I thought too. It will show it’s unique colours in the harvest screen if you shot it when it was strutting, thanks to @covert heart.

[severe pasture]

No I meant please tell me your kidding cause they though dusky grouse run around like that

[light mesa]

yeah the whole thing is animation based, so I hope we get some similar poses in the lodge.

[subtle bone]

Huh, I dont my understand 😭

[severe pasture]

It's like with peafowl or turkeys where they just strut sometimes and you can shoot them both ways

[light mesa]

I have a thing for fat birds. My whole lodge is filled with turkey, capers and black grouse.

[digital sierra]

yes 17 fritober

[digital sierra]

beaverDance

[subtle bone]

All g1 mule deer racks and furs! || velvet rack too!! ||

[strong scarab]

Why's the first zebra we get just the shiny mule deer?