Questions about the new .30-30

[tame pasture]

Does it have a decent zero distance?

Does it use a new ammo?

Did it get fully reworked or replaced?

Does the old Whitlock use the new ammo?

Has the Whitlock been updated at all?

Which dot sights does the new rifle use?

Will it use tritium sights?

Did we FINALLY get polymer tipped ammo?

Who do I pay to get it earlier? Seriously, I'll set up PayPal (nope, turns out I won't, they didn't change anything from the Whitlock just reskinned it and let this one use normal scopes. Disappointing let-down)

@grand pecan don't laugh! Addiction is a real thing . . . .

[grand pecan]

This new reserve weapon choice makes me think about what may be the next G.O.

[tame pasture]

Hey, a new .30-30 and a roe deer GO and I'll take up grinding

[glacial snow]

Dang that thing could take down a giant redwood

[tame pasture]

@unreal drift this is my favorite .30-30 as it's set up now

[unreal drift]

ooo very nice :>

i've never seen someone wrap the lever like that before, that's smart

[tame pasture]

Ironically, it has been doing work as a wolf gun the last couple months, probably exactly what will be happening when I get it in game too

I work the lever with 2 fingers most of the time because big loop levers get in the way, it also keeps me from freezing my fingers in cold weather

[compact moth]

It's absolutely beautiful
I wish lever guns were popular here in SA so I could A- find a good lever rifle for a good price and B- find ammo for it for a decent price

[tame pasture]

I'm trying to get in contact with a guy who has a .300 win mag BLR but I can't get him him to answer the phone

[violet patio]

I'm hoping they've reworked it as a 2-7 with two ammo options for 2-5/6 and 3-7.

[tame pasture]

If I got the ammo I wanted, it would be 3-7, work in both rifles, and extend the range to about 250 meters.

That's why I'm hoping they've coded it so both rifles can use either ammunition type and I can use whichever one I feel like carrying on a given day

[kind crow]

I'm really hoping they did this new 30-30 justice. I'd be even more ecstatic if all rifle calibers get an ammo expansion with the release. I'm already calling Alberta no. 2 on my fav. reserves at 1st glance. It's all Snow with an active Changing environment with beavers, & I finally get a snow location with a new Elk. I'm really praying here that the Wolves, Elk, Beavers & Dusky Grouse are polished & immaculate. If Badgers or Wolverines are added it'll easily be my new fav. with Medved as my 2nd. With that said I hope the narrative is paramount.

[tame pasture]

Only 13 missions tho

[kind crow]

yea but the side stories might be good is my hope along with a very strong Game List. I just got bk on Discord after being away for a long while to see we finally got the reveal for the summer reserve. It better be as good as I hope it will be after reading into it on their home page as well as the trailer.

[tame pasture]

I'm super excited for the new .30-30 and the wolf rework so it's okay for me, still im gonna be paying 8 or 12 dollars for a single rifle if they don't have a few more interesting animals

[kind crow]

The reworks & another snow reserve has me peaked & hopes for other future upland bird species & old model reworks for Rocky & Roosevelt Elk. Furbearer wise at the very least Badger &/or Wolverines, Fox, & ofc Beavers. I'd be excited to see porcupines as well.

[muted ore]

I wish a new 30-30 will bring us it's a real power. But I'm expecting a catch out of habit. if bloggers will kill only 2-3 class of animals in early access. Trick is guaranteed.

[unreal drift]

if this new 30-30 is another 2-6 pea shooter I'll genuinely never touch the gun

[tame pasture]

If it works as well as the .243 then it'll replace it a and the sks in all my loadouts, I don't shoot from more than 100 yards enough to need long range

But, I sincerely hope it s totally new ammo covering 3-7 because I want to hunt black bears and elk like I do irl

[grand pecan]

That would be a shame. It’s such a good looking weapon, props to the artists that made it happen.

I can’t wait to try this one out!

[unreal drift]

i'd genuinely be so sad if this one won't be good, it looks gorgeous

[tame pasture]

You genius! THATS A NEW AMMO MODEL

[unreal drift]

That's something I noticed too! It's definitely a newer cartridge model, which I assume is a newer load

which means possible separate 30-30 ammo

which means it's not impossible for it to be a better 30-30 than the base game one :>

It wouldn't be the first time we've had multiple different types of the same ammo, like the 20 gauge steel birdshot, and the 10 gauge brass vs plastic (though idk if those have any different behavior than their counterparts)

[tame pasture]

One cartridge on the far right is different, it's a gray or black bullet while the others are green tipped copper jackets

[unreal drift]

Huh, I didn't notice that before, and I don't think it's just a lighting issue bc I can see a difference in color (grey/black vs copper jacket like you said)

[tame pasture]

That looks familiar

[unreal drift]

I'm scared of getting my hopes up in case this does end up being another 2-6 bb gun, but I'd be lying if I said this wasn't exciting me

• genuinely gorgeous lever action rife
• the possibility of it using actually powerful 30-30 cartridges
• a map that I'm super excited for and has a bunch of animals I want to hunt

this could genuinely be perfect lol

[tame pasture]

Interesting

[kind crow]

I'm really hoping the new 30-30 gets the respect it deserves & I sincerely hope we get an ammo expansion for all calibers in an update or as part of this year's gear DLC. I stand firm that all calibers should be like the Hudzik, Shotguns, & Bows that have various ammo options for various game applications.

[tame pasture]

I'd love to see that update come through

[kind crow]

Me to esp. since UH has it & I think WotH does as well?!

[tame pasture]

IF I'm right about the new ammo I'm hoping the old Whitlock can use them too

[unreal drift]

i agree 100%. I'd also love for more weapons to just have wider class ranges in general (again pointing to bows and the Hudzik, as well as all of our 4-8 ammo and the 3-7 ones, the 9.3x74R, .577/450, etc.)

[kind crow]

That would be ideal

[tame pasture]

What bugs me about the Whitlock is that it had good ammo in classic

[kind crow]

I've been preaching it for a real long while in the threads & my posts. I went as far as sending the feedback to EW directly. I've been pushing it even harder after the 7.62x35 was classed (3-6) while the 7.62x39 is (2-6)......🤨 tell me how that makes sense when both have nearly the same ballistics as well as the exact same field use.

[kind crow]

Seems like EW shouldn't have deviated from Classics mechanics. I mean its been active for what 12yrs now? While CotW has been up for 8yrs but Classic has more authenticity than CotW in both equipment & Game Animals! They diluted the franchise in that regard.

[tame pasture]

Exactly, classic had themed dlcs rather that multiple extremely similar guns in a pack

[unreal drift]

you mean you don't enjoy getting a 4-8 rifle in every weapon pack? (sarcasm)

The Olsson gets a pass though, I love that one

[kind crow]

🔥 👹🔥 no 🤣.... Honestly I would've been fine if both ammo options weren't the same class. 1st Tier should cover Low-Med authentic Game Range while Tier 2 covers Med-High Authentic Range. Its not game breaking to do that. Ofc certain calibers will have better advantages than the other as they should differ from each other. Bullet type plays a facter however Foot lb/Joule Energy & Grain/Gram weight should be a factor as well aside from just 1 or the other with no difference except expansion or penetration. It should have more depth.

[unreal drift]

I agree! There are different factors that can affect how one cartridge compares to another, like velocity, bullet weight, etc. (like you said), and I wish that was something we saw here

[kind crow]

The Bolt .308 was very needed and I love it though perfect example.

.308Win Authentically
•110gr: < 50lb = (1-3) "C:1 Grey Fox, Prairie Dogs, etc. up to C:3 Coyotes"

•168gr: 300lb-1500lb = (4-7)

•220gr: 1500lb-DG = (7-9) "9 = Bison"

[kind crow]

We've been asking for a long time for it I'd hope they'd listen and made the changes. Lets be honest EW is wingin it. Its easier to make a new 1 than to fix the old. This has been an on going pattern EW doesn't like to share. 45-70 was weak but oh hey heres a rifle pistol w/45-70 it out performs the rifle even though its using the same ammo....🤨

[compact moth]

I'm sure you've seen it but this bullet definitely seems to have a green tip to me, so polymer tips for the .30-30

[kind crow]

Oh yea we've been talkin about it for a spell 🤣

[compact moth]

Aah damn, I'm late to the party again 😭

[kind crow]

Nah honestly we started really talkin about today though it seems Huxley pointed it out 9:30pm yesterday

[muted ore]

The round nose ballistic tip. Looks like 3-7.

[tame pasture]

Here's the one I've been focused on, yea there a green tipped cartridge but there's also a dark gray or black tipped bullet here that's a different bullet style

[compact moth]

I saw that one with the black tip but was unsure if it's just a oddly shaded one due to the shadow, i hope it's 2 different types of ammunition though 🤞

[tame pasture]

The green tipped bullets are more spitzer style but the black one is a round nose flat point. It has to be two different ammo types

[tame pasture]

I know, but it's also a particularly infectious thing as well

[compact moth]

You know, now that EW has recognized that the type of reciver the Model 336 has is thr same as the 1895 trapper like the .45-70, I wonder if they'll consider changing the scopes available for the .45-70 like was mentioned in .45-70 rework thread.

I kinda expect it from EW though because the helios scope clips into the wooden furniture of the .45-70 as is in game

[tame pasture]

It has for years, so in sincerely hoping for a rework at some point. And new ammo, preferably 7-9 only so I can have a lever gun loadout that covers all the bases

[compact moth]

I made a list a while ago of all the issues with all the guns in the game and it's kind of shocking what visual issues they have, especially compared to newer models. But we can only communicate it with EW and hope it's worth fixing or making in their eyes

[tame pasture]

The lack of a recoil pad on the eckers and Coachmate sincerely bother me. I know I'll never see it in gameplay but I still want to see it on the model

[compact moth]

I'm with you on that one
Those little things irk me as well

[unreal drift]

I agree. I've always appreciated seeing little details being included, even if you can't see them during regular gameplay

[tame pasture]

EW please listen to reason.

There's a lot of black bears in the record books, individuals up to 800 pounds, that were taken with .30-30 Winchester. The records for North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, and West Virginia all list multiple massive black bears that were harvest with .30-30 rifles.

PLEASE MAKE THE NEW AMMO CLASS 3 THROUGH 7

[quartz timber]

Recoilpad ?? Ever shot a K98 irl? Real men don't need soft stuff. 🤣

[tame pasture]

I started shooting with a vz.24 mauser converted to .30-06 and the .45-70 has the same level of recoil as a .375 H&H does. Recoil is not the issue it's they look weird without them

[quartz timber]

Naah, not weird. When I think of my buddy's 98s and karl-gustavs, they don't have recoil pads. Their stock simply ends with a steel plate. Also some old fashioned rifles from other friend aren't equipped with this stuff. If it's the standard for you, that's alright, but it is definitely not for everyone around the world. But I agree, that they make it feel more pleasent.

[tame pasture]

You sure they don't look weird?

To clarify, not a gameplay problem but an ocd one

[quartz timber]

The eckers has other parts that look weird, and matter more too me. E.g, the low-res texturing of the metal part between bolt action and trigger. You see this low resolution texture upon every reload, while you don't see a missing recoil cap while playing.

[tame pasture]

That bugs me but it's not ad terrible to my mind as what I see as a missing part of the rifle

[quartz timber]

As the eckers is my fav 4-8 rifle this low texture bugs me a lot.
Missing part... for me a recoil pad is an optional part, as muzzle brakes are. I like them, but i understand not everyone uses them

[tame pasture]

There's a good chance the reason it bothers me so much is because I was trying to become a gunsmith until a hand injury put a stop to it. The gun looks unfinished so that's why it gets me annoyed

[quartz timber]

What also bothers me, is that the barrel (the hole in the barrel) diameter does not fit to the calibers of the rifles. So small calibers have barrel diameters likw they would fire whole cannonballs etc.

[tame pasture]

Also, the main point of a buttplate or recoil pad doesn't have anything to do recoil. With a wooden stock it serves as protection. Whether that's water damage from being stood up against a tree and left there or the stock splintering and ramming wooden stakes into your shoulder.

The big rubber recoil pads were first meant to do the same thing but soften the blow a little. Nowadays it's often literally the rear end of the molded stock which is otherwise hollow. It also helps keep it in place so it doesn't slip under recoil and adds the extra inch or so you might need to make the rifle fit you comfortably

[quartz timber]

I get this... the only rifles i know without a soft bumper are fitted with a steel plate,

[tame pasture]

Yeah, it's more or less just a part of the design now. Most people legitimately don't need recoil pads with anything .30-06 or smaller. Plus it literally just cheaper to make a big chunk of rubber that make a solid stock

With the .30-30 you seriously don't need a recoil pad it actually has less recoil than a .243 in the same weight rifle. Marlin 336s come with a plastic buttplate rather than a recoil pad so te model isn't exact lol

[tame pasture]

Another question here,

How many rounds does the tube hold? Mine holds 6,

[muted ore]

I hope next week bring the answers

[quartz timber]

The barrel looks to be much longer than the other lever actions we have, so does the tube. I'd guess 7 rounds, given the fact that the tube doesn't hold only rounds (springs and stuff)

[compact moth]

If you think that looks weird, go get the Mosin and cycle the bolt whilst a scope isn't equipped and take a look at the opening between the bolt and the chamber, there's this weird stretched part that definitely shouldn't be there

[quartz timber]

I know what you mean. It looks weird. It really catches my eye every time i use the solokin (mosin). I wish these things would be cleaned up in some patch.

Another example: The muzzle brake of the AR-15 (the .223 one) is shifted to the right and not in line with the barrel. Once seen, you can not un-see it. This makes me not use this rifle 🤷‍♂️

[compact moth]

Ja there's a number of little things like that which are present in most of the earlier additions to the game that I've noticed.

Something that really irks me with internal magazine rifles like the Olsen, Valgara and the Malmer are that you start with, say, 4 rounds in the gun (1 in the chamber 3 in the mag), you fire a shot and cycle the bolt so now you've got 3 (1 chamber, 2 mag) then you reload and a round flies out and you put one in. So essentially it's;
4-1=3
3-1=2
2+1=4
It's really just a small detail but I can't help but notice it and it gets me every time 😂

[quartz timber]

Yeah... exactly this !!! I try to ignore this miscalculation in reloading those rifles.
Also: Change the amunition in the semi-auto or pump shotguns: You keep adding rounds without unloading.

The olson right now shows no rounds in the reload animation. The .308 cartridges are made of transparent air... 🤣

[compact moth]

All these little things hey 😂

[unreal drift]

speaking of the Mosin, if you use the Odin scope on it (idk if it does it with the other scopes) it causes clipping with the reload animations

I'd honestly love for that weapon pack to get updated to give us a scope fitted specifically for it, like how the drilling rifle, caplock muzzleloader, and classic lever actions all have their own custom scopes

[tame pasture]

The spring inside the magazine tube can compress to less than an inch and a rifle with a 20" barrel and tube can be made to hold 7 in the tube and one in the chamber.

The physical rifle is not what I'm talking about in this case. I'm wondering if EW stuck with the manufacturer rating of 6 or if they've handicapped it with 4 rounds or met in the middle with 5.

[quartz timber]

I am pretty sure, that they will balance it only from a gaming point of view. The better the rifle itself, the smaller the mag 😅

[tame pasture]

.45-70 one of the weakest guns in the game and it only holds 3 shells

[quartz timber]

Okay... 😅 But i guess, you got my point. I guess, the tubesize will be subject of game balancing

[tame pasture]

If it's really meant to be an improvement on the old Whitlock then it needs 5 rounds or 6

[unreal drift]

i feel like "game balancing" only semi-existed before any weapon DLCs where the only weapons that could effectively take down big game were single shot or a handgun, now we have 5-round semi-auto weapons that can be used instead

but in a game like this, the only real balancing you need is to make sure a gun isn't underperforming or overpowered for its jobs (aka make sure the guns work and aren't busted)

[tame pasture]

If I'm being entirely honest.

A .30-30 covering class 3-7 animals with a 5 or 6 round tube would be my permanent favorite rifle. Pair it with the .375 and a .22h and I need absolutely nothing else

[unreal drift]

weapon balancing in a game like this should be more like "30-30 is an efficient deer hunting cartridge" and ".44 magnum shouldn't be able to reach a moose's heart through its pelvis when fired from a rifle"

[quartz timber]

The .22h is heavily underpowered on class 2 animals.
And i guess the .30-30 will also have only 150m max zeroing. Meeh.

[tame pasture]

The .22h does better on class 3 animals than the .223 and if they stick with the 150m zero after introducing a new rifle and polymer tipped ammo there's gonna be a lot of irritated people

[quartz timber]

Will the new ammo replace the old roundnose penetration ammo? Will it be an additional ammotype?

The .223 is also extremely underpowered. And not depicted correct in the ingame picture 😅

[tame pasture]

The .45-70 image looks exactly the same as the .30-30 and it looks like old cartridges from a tacklebox.

Considering it's two very new cases with polymer tipped ammo I'm sure it'll be different but I'm curious if it'll be interchangeable with the ammo we already have. If so that'll make the .30-30 a 2-7 class weapon

[quartz timber]

By the way, the .308 is also depicted wrong. The picture shows a cartridge with a rim, which the .308 does not have

What do you mean by "new cases" ? A different case shape would not match the chamber.

[tame pasture]

New cases as in polished brass, they look properly modeled this time

[quartz timber]

I can't recall the old ones atm, but weren't they also brass?

[tame pasture]

Yes. But they appear discolored and patina is starting to form

[quartz timber]

Many of the older ammunition pictures look meeeh and discolored. E.g. all greenish steelcase-looking cartridges like the .338... Even the .300 mag look weird and ugly depicted.

[tame pasture]

The current ammo

Meanwhile they used everything but the ammo from classic

[kind crow]

I still believe this should be balanced by the ammo over the weapon itself. It shouldn't be hard to adjust in the code for dmg output. I'm already on the fence with class lock balances when any normal hunting game wouldn't to this degree. Players should have the option to pick a weapon with any set caliber & freely hunt the lowest to highest rated game by simply equipping the correct game rated ammo. Ofc I strongly expect calibers to vary from each other in performance but EW should've reviewed ftlb/joule energy to determine ammo performance to calculate dmg. Furthermore, a simple QoL feature would be to add Grain/Gram weight to the ammo description over being unknown. I do however like the idea here: https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1299503367579504782 to add more depth

[tame pasture]

Apparently I made a bunch of threads I've just forgotten about

[unreal drift]

ooo yeah i'd love to see the bullet weight displayed, even if that itself doesn't do anything gameplay-wise (though having different loads like in Way of the Hunter could be a neat thing to introduce)

[kind crow]

Dont worry I do as well 😅

[compact moth]

With this being said, I love the .375 H&H and have seen it do it's thing on everything from Impala up to Buffalo so the fact that it's locked to classes 7-9 really irritates me. At this point I just ignore the score I recive and just focus on enjoying the hunt

[unreal drift]

This is something that especially bugs me. Cartridges like .375 H&H, .300 Weatherby Magnum, .338 Magnum (i was told it's not Lapua Magnum but I'm not brushed up on my .338s), etc. are all very flexible cartridges out in the field and can take a variety of game at different distances

But here in CotW, they're restricted to exclusively large and dangerous game. Meanwhile, I've heard of people using stuff like .405 Winchester, .300 Winchester Magnum/Weatherby Magnum, .338 Lapua Magnum, and various other "big rounds" on feral pigs across the world, and most .30 caliber rounds can efficiently handle pretty much any North American medium and large game

After even a short time over in theHunter Classic, I've found that I much prefer their ammo ethics system, where rather than assigning classes, each cartridge is assigned a list of animals it can ethically take, and a lot of them have pretty wide ranges (like the .300 Nosler rounds, which can handle everything from whitetail deer and roe deer to bison and banteng

I obviously know that these are two separate teams working on these two games, but I'd love for the CotW team to take notes from how Classic handles their ammo balancing and ethical harvest systems

[tame pasture]

Yea that's about the size of it. The actual versatility of any rifle in the game is handicapped like a horse with 1 leg.

About the .338, I've heard it both ways but I can't see a .338 win mag bench rifle. The tsurugi has got to be a Lapua

[unreal drift]

Oh yeah that's right, the Tsurugi is a SAKO TRG 42, and it can be chambered in .338 Lapua Magnum (according to their website, they chamber it in .300 Win Mag and .338 Lapua Mag)

[tame pasture]

Yeah, the original 338 is an RPA rangmaster and they were only chambered in .338 lapua iirc

[unreal drift]

ah okay

[tame pasture]

I would absolutely love a proper .338 Win Mag or RUM, something traditional looking

[unreal drift]

i'd love something like this for a .338 Win Mag (reddit post said it's a Savage model)

idk what this type of wood staining is called but I'd love something like this too

[compact moth]

Yup, it's quite a silly thing
I have a book by a pretty experienced hunter named Gregor Woods, the books title is Rifles for Africa and in the book he talks about the .375 H&H being the 'ideal' all round safari rifle. With 235gr loads it can easily pick of dainty gazelle at 300yards and with 300gr solids it can work on Buffalo, that's atleast the essence of what he said in the book.

In my own personal experience, 300gr soft points do an excellent job at taking Impala, even for meat hunting

[unreal drift]

That's exactly what I've heard too, I keep hearing about how depending on range and load, it can handle pretty much anything in a Safari hunt

[compact moth]

Interestingly enough, the guy form Buffalo bore ammunition says he hunts with a .416 Rigby and he says he can shoot a Buffalo with it or turn around and shoot a Springbok at 300 yards with the same load, and Gregor Woods also talks about the .416 Weatherby Magnum in a similar sense in the book.

https://youtu.be/1qoRV3c7_d4?si=hAqmSOK3ZpIx7Fe6
(If you skip to 2:48 you'll see what I mean)

[sharp plover]

If I owned the game franchise and my business model relied on selling Weapon DLCs, I'd avoid making super-weapons that can take raccoons to rhinos - wonder if this drives their class system

[tame pasture]

There's no rifle capable of that, a .416 I'd take anything from a black bear to a bull elephant but you'd have to have no choice in the matter or ammunition meant for that hunt.

Asking for a rifle that can hunt anything between a whitetail that might weighs 120 pounds and a moose that weighs 1200 is the same deal. Changing the ammo to suit the situation is more important.

Offer a .416 bolt action with bullet options. 400gr for class 9, 300gr for 7-8, and a 250gr for 6-7

A 338 Magnum, 180 gr for classes 5-7, 220gr for 6-8, 250 class 7-9

.270, a 120gr 3-4, a 140 gr 4-6, and a 170gr 6-8

You might be making less selling a single weapon but it covers multiple classes and hunting styles. People will buy anything they like even if it covers the same classes as something they have because they want to try something different

[tame pasture]

Forest camo laminate. The Savage is in an aftermarket stock from Boyds

[unreal drift]

ah gotcha, that explains why when I looked it up I kept seeing black stocks instead of what was shown there

[sharp plover]

Haha, good answer. Yes I know, was just making the exaggerated point that if 1 weapon can do it all you won't sell as many DLCs - and EW needs to sell DLCs

[tame pasture]

Look into Boyds laminate stocks, they have a bunch of color options

[unreal drift]

tbf, we have like 20 billion 4-8 rifles yet each one sells lol

[tame pasture]

I'd rather pay 2 or 3 bucks for one gun I'll use rather five for 2 out of three that I won't use

.270, it adds two more types of ammo covering 3-5 and 6-8 respectively. It covers all the same classes as the Huntsman but adds one and the Huntsman can use the ammo. The price is 2.99$

2.99$ for five Jollyrancher colored skins for all the guns?

Which one you choosing?

[kind crow]

Thats how I've been playing the game. I use the same calibers I do on my IRL hunts due to the class locks. The 375 H&H I use most often in Yukon to simulate one of my dream hunts. Authentically its a C: 4-10 caliber.

[kind crow]

An ammo expansion that allows calibers to be applied more authentically from the lowest to highest game range wouldn't be game breaking it would further allow player utility in their gameplay. In hindsight switching ammo isn't anything new esp. if you're primarily hunting with a bow or shotgun with all 3 ammo options. I find it nerve racking all pistol & rifle calibers have 2 options, but both cover the same game range choking caliber use & applications. Truthfully, I want to see all calibers to have ammo versatility like The Hudzik, Bows, & Shotguns. Again it made sense with the base game content needing to level & progress the weapon type mastery to unlock tier 2 ammo (PT/HC). But that mechanic went out the window when Dlc's not only give you the weapon for free but automatically has both ammo types unlocked. If players bought the right pack(s) you could easily skip 1/4 - 1/2 of the intended progression mechanics. If the 30-30 screen shot isn't just for visual appeal the 2 new ammo options should extend the 30-30 to be like the Hudzik with 2-6 (Base Game) & 3-7 (New). The Hudzik is a 3-7/4-8 "(although I think it should be 3-7/4-9 to hunt Bison)." This should be applied to all calibers at the minimum if were stuck with 2 ammo options. Although I'd prefer a max of 3 options if a caliber is that versatile like the 308 that is a 2-9 caliber with 110gr up to 220gr that's rated for (1500lb-Dangerous Game) while 110gr is rated for (< 10lb-50lb) game (prairie dogs - Coyote), 150-180gr 50-1500lb game

[kind crow]

I'm tired of ppl talking about game balance when their isnt a balance to begin with. The Game animals should vary in toughness ofc and should be more aware/aggressive based on the lvl 1 Trivial - 10 Great One. Weapon Stats should be determined by its hardware/accessories. Caliber dmg should vary by ammo types/options. Easy way to measure would be by ftlb/joule energy (by game code 1: [lowest] - 10: [highest] for dmg as an example). Their is nothing wrong with calibers performing similarly either such as 308 & 30-06 or 7.62x35 & 7.62x39. It should be up to the players to choose what to hunt with not be forced due to class locks or let alone beefed up weapons that outperform the old weapons using the same caliber ammo.

[unreal drift]

I agree with you on that. Like I said earlier, the only ammo balancing that the game truly needs is focusing on making things effective at their jobs, and making sure they aren't actually broken (like my favorite example: .44 magnum when fired from the Moradi being capable of hitting a moose's heart from the rear of the animal)

[agile kettle]

Not really, it does just fine on musk deer and fox imo

[kind crow]

Now dont get me wrong it is an 8yr old game and on its release the mechanics & progression worked but as the game grew, reserves got more detail, some animals got better models & updates, even more equipment options. But yet....our weapons still remain untouched except for Dlc's, scopes with ret options, & cosmetics. This is all well & good but EW really kicked the snake in the grass making Dlc's free in-game taking away from further utilizing the $$$ system. Lets be honest after buying all the base game gear your left with Skill/Perk resets, Taxidermies, Consumables, Ret & Cosmetic options for credit use 😮‍💨 sure some will argue blinds & tents but grinders rack $$$ where its not even a factor. I would say decoys but EW really lacks verity on this front as well.

To be clear I'm not whining kicking & screaming I'm merely pointing things out that need improvement to allow the game to grow. I'd expect EW to add these features to a 3rd franchise title but given their determination to keep this title going for set # of years some new & updated features would breathe more life to the game. & I'm expecting they'll optimize to new gen eventually to gain access to more horizons the old gen cant support. Personally, I'd prefer a new title & keeping this 1 on old gen so ppl still have access. But Alberta appears to be promising and the right step fwd so we will see starting with the new 30-30 & Animal updates.

[tame pasture]

It was not, in fact, a step forward.

[compact moth]

Is it confirmed that the .30-30 isn't getting fixed or is it currently still just heavily expected that it wasn't fixed ?

[tame pasture]

Very heavily suspected it's just a new look and nothing was changed

[grand pecan]

I’m trying to wait until I see the new rifle’s effect on game for myself.

I think anyone out there who is a .30-30 fan is hoping for a betterment of some type regarding caliber/cartridge performance.

[compact moth]

Man I'll be pissed off if we get a kak .30-30

[tame pasture]

I've been hoping for a rework for years, at this point I think I'd have to go to Sweden and make them try a .30-30 first hand

[unreal drift]

I know they said we'll see more of it later but I'm still scared of it being a pea shooter

"small and medium game" on the steam page is not promising either

[compact moth]

At this point that'd probably be the easiest way to get it done hey

[unreal drift]

even theHunter Classic kinda falls for the "use it for small game," though I've heard that it's at least an actually effective deer hunting cartridge there (i haven't gotten my hands on it myself yet)

[tame pasture]

I accidentally killed my uncles farm truck with a .30-30 once, I may have to intentionally kill a farm truck to show them what it can do

The guys developing the guns in game look at ballistics tables and see numbers but not effects on actual game

[unreal drift]

That's something that genuinely annoys me. You can look at numbers all day long, but the actual results can tell a different story

[grand pecan]

A couple of pork shoulders might be cheaper than icing a tractor though. 😆

Unless you’ve still got the same engine block. 😂

[tame pasture]

That's fair, maybe some ribs in front of a ballistics gel block

[unreal drift]

I was about to suggest ribs too lol

ribs, pork shoulders, I remember someone suggesting pine boards, ballistic gel, etc.

[tame pasture]

As soon as my back injury heals enough for a range day I'll make a video or two

That's a Mossberg 464, don't ask me why he chose stainless, I have no clue

[grand pecan]

https://youtu.be/xcLkzUmnjMg

[compact moth]

And there in lies your problem. People with little to no real world experience with firearms are entirely responsible for implementing them into a video game in which they are meant to portray their real life counterpart, and then sell that to (some) people who have real life experience with said firearms.
I've been saying for a little while now, EW should really invest in a firearms expert, specifically one who's knowledgeable in the hunting side of firearms

[tame pasture]

Or just do some research, call hunting guides

[compact moth]

Or that yes
Either way they clearly need a bit of help

[grand pecan]

I think the biggest problem with a .30-30 in this game isn’t the model really.

It’s a great rifle, but we can all agree. It’s not what you would call a long range rifle.

But what DO you call a long range rifle in a game that doesn’t really render past ~320 yards, so balancing concepts stand out to anyone irl.

150gr. and up should have no problem with performance out to, let’s say what, 200 yards..

I’d love to see 160gr. & 170gr. etc. options, also BB rounds. - (Buffalo Bore)

[unreal drift]

I could tolerate the game's low overall ranges if the guns that are supposed to perform exceptionally well on deer at closer ranges could actually do that

One of the biggest things we've talked about here is the complete lack of punch that the in-game 30-30 has, in stark contrast to what earned it its reputation irl. In-game, it's basically worse than the starting .243, having worse range and a really bad scope option while being not impressive at all performance-wise. Not only that, it's treated more like a varmint round (something it really isn't)

I'd love for the base game .30-30 to recieve buffs, but I'd at least be able to settle with the newer one being worth bringing at all. It's honestly a waste of in-game money unless you use it for the novelty of completely handicapping yourself

We've brought it up a lot here, but 30-30 Winchester is very capable as a deer hunting cartridge irl, and it also sees success with black bears and elk (Huxley can attest to that), but here it falls apart if you shoot at whitetails (or really anything that isn't a small class 2 animal)

[grand pecan]

You’re right, the base game .30-30 does in fact, deserve a buff, AND yes I would also appreciate the new model performing better.

[unreal drift]

I'm not even asking for it to drop larger game in their tracks, I just want better performance for various medium-sized deer while trading its "ethical value" for varmints for being allowed for class 7 animals (and performing well enough to consider using it at that)

[grand pecan]

I wouldn’t even make it necessary to buy the base game .30-30.

I would plant it in an outhouse somewhere for you to find, and after having harvested everything from a fox to a bear with that model, you would then unlock a really nice engraved version with a nice finish, stock, and maybe a heavy barrel.

[tame pasture]

You're forgetting that to get the only scope the Whitlock can use you have to unlock the .45-70

[unreal drift]

omg yeah I forgot about that😭

[tame pasture]

I have my issues with leveled unlocks in a hunting game anyway, but that one's one of the worst

[kind crow]

Agreed. Yes, I do complain from time to time bc I'm growing tired of EW not expanding their horizons as much as they should. However so far due to the game list & presentation I give A:AR "6 out of 10" atm. The 30-30, narrative, layout, & game placement/population will determine if I rate it higher.

[tame pasture]

For me it's a 4 out of ten because of the .30-30 and reworks, if the .30-30 isn't a massive improvement over what we have it'll be 1 outta 10

Meant to post these earlier but here's what our current .30-30 does on reindeer/caribou

[kind crow]

They have 5 waterfowl/2 upland birds & its really bothering me pheasant are here. To boot 1 furbearer: Beaver! No Wolverines, Canadian Lynx, & ofc their prey Snow Hares. I wasn't expecting Pronghorn & I'm hoping there updated with the req. reclass. Black bears...yea grizzlies would've made more sense. But New Elk & Caribou is a nice touch & atleast I get Dusky Grouse. Wolves look good as well. So given its an all snow reserve, reworks, & western game with good beaver animation I have to rate it 6 out of 10 for now. 1 more grouse, hare, & 2 more furbearers I would've been happier.

[tame pasture]

Out of the whole roster the only ones calling to me are the new wolves and caribou

[kind crow]

I'm kind of hoping with the new Elk Roosevelt & Rocky Elk get updated & I really hope they are populated heavy same with the caribou. But I do agree with you that if coyotes were released here they got reworked as well. But the Winter release might be surprising if were looking at a western themed year. I'd be blown away if EW released My Wyoming concept with horses and a left field late 1800's weapon pack. I doubt it but it would be something if they did.

[tame pasture]

Idk, I've been kinda disappointed with almost everything since Emerald Coast came out, it all feels SSDD particularly with mallards, pheasants and Canada geese making their 6th map or how ever many it is now

[latent finch]

6th map for Mallard, White-tail, Moose and Pheasant, 4th Map for Canada Goose and 5th map for Black Bear

[tame pasture]

So what's the next backfill ya reckon? Black bear on Emerald Coast or Canadian geese on Vurhonga?

[kind crow]

@tame pastureYea I feel that. Its how I feel about Moose & Red Deer. I want Elk & Caribou. Which is a plus we got 2 new 1's with wolves that should look like wolves. I just hope they reworked their behavior and do a full reset bc they need it. It broke my heart that on pc streams they chase moose on Medved but on console......their bugged. Yukon they work fine same with the Iberian wolves. This means I have to update my lodge for the new models yay! Might even get new multi-mounts sweet!

[quartz timber]

Black bears everywhere! Blackbears on Cuatro Collinas 🤣
Bears are so cute, they need to be everywhere! 😅

[tame pasture]

You sound like the woman who tried to pet a black bear and was surprised she got mauled

[quartz timber]

It was a joke.

[tame pasture]

It wasn't a joke, that's what she said I the interview

[quartz timber]

How do you fill a map with a large variety of species without having to model a lot of species? Re-use existing ones. Cheap solution to create the impression of variety.

[quartz timber]

Haven't seen that woman nor the interview.

[tame pasture]

OK sure there's still a limit. Mallards are on 6 maps, black bear are on 4. It gets kinda boring seeing everything exactly the same. Some animals can't be avoided but still. Would have been nice to get a couple types of grouse rather than rested ducks. Swift fox would have added a class 1 predator that only needed a model resized, wolverines would have been awesome and opened the door for badger species of all kinds too.

[quartz timber]

Duck hunting always feels the same ingame - regardless of what duck species you hunt. And we already have many a good duck map

And concerning bears, I really hoped for a grizzly rework

[unreal drift]

I wouldn't have complained about having both remodeled grizzlies and black bears on the same map, especially since they have some range overlap irl

I also wish brown bears (eurasian and grizzly) were actually dangerous -> https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1309192489839759401

[unreal drift]

@tame pasture it's 2-6, using the same ammo as the Whitlock it seems😭

[compact moth]

and 4 round mag
moer se disappointment

[unreal drift]

iirc the Marlin 336 that it's based off of can hold 6 in the tube + one in the chamber

i'm in shambles rn, it's basically just a reskinned Whitlock but with better scopes

[glacial snow]

Well my last hope for this map has been dashed .... beavers and better snow are really the only selling point .... so sad

[unreal drift]

I'm still very excited for the map itself, but the new 30-30 just being a fancy Whitlock is a massive killjoy

[unreal drift]

my last hope is that the base 30-30 cartridge gets a buff, but I don't wanna get my hopes up too high

[compact moth]

Maybe I'm too harsh in my opinion but for me personally, the biggest selling point of the map was the .30-30 potentially being better and that's been officially dashed. The map looks wonderful and all but I'm just so disappointed

[unreal drift]

I think that's totally valid. It was definitely a big part of why I was so excited for it, and while I'm sure I'll still enjoy Askiy Ridge in general as a "better SRP," watching this 30-30 yet again be a "sneezing distance varmint gun" sucks so much

if I had a Marlin 336 irl (and a car, and money, and anything at all lmao) I'd be getting a bunch of recordings with it shooting stuff like pork shoulders, ballistic gel blocks, pine wood planks, and whatever else it would take to convince them that 30-30 Winchester is NOT some "weak" close range cartridge

[violet patio]

Love this new map, love the new irons, bummed about the 2-6 still being in effect.

[unreal drift]

And it's absolutely not made with foxes and coyotes in mind, it didn't earn its reputation as the deer hunting cartridge by being "good for small game" (in fact the opposite, it handles everything from deer to elk)

[unreal drift]

maybe when it drops I'll try to convince myself that it's somehow okay and just be high off the copium (it won't work)

[ruby turtle]

What a waste of a good looking weapon

[agile kettle]

somehow in EW’s universe it is more effective to use a bow over a 30-30.

[agile kettle]

But hey! That just means we need to push EW even harder than we did for the Gandhare.

[tame pasture]

Just as disappointing as I expected, EW couldn't carry the ball in a bucket

[unreal drift]

i hope we can make that work ngl

[ruby turtle]

Just realized, effective range 75m 🤮

[inland monolith]

It's sad.. I hope they at least give it a buff

[ruby turtle]

vote with your wallet

[tame pasture]

Absolute F-ing crap all over again

[ruby turtle]

They just released 2 weapon DLCs that each has a weapon with a similar class range, so they don't want to "give" a weapon that affects their DLC sales.

[tame pasture]

Funny, I canceled my pre-order for the map because of it

[inland monolith]

Do you mind if i link your two threads about the .30-30 in my own thread about it's problems?

[tame pasture]

Go head, we apparently need to show them we don't need another 2-6

[inland monolith]

Thank you

[glacial snow]

This map started out to have so much potential and really has turned out to be a 💩

just another mediocre map .... Why even put a screen shot of different ammo in the bottom of that boat ?? Did you just deliberately want to rub our noses in your crap?

[inland monolith]

I mean, this map is gonna be awesome but this and the fact they chose mallards and pheasants over grizzlies and something else like wolverines is a big, big bummer

[tame pasture]

I had this game and 46 installed dlc on my Xbox. Then I found out about the rifle and freed up a ton of storage space

[marble heart]

as far as i remeber there were bearly anything for the grandhare but they still changed it. the post for the reclass of the 300. blackout and valgarda have over 100 upvotes and been loud since the reveal of the weapons classes. and still that hasent been addressed...

[upbeat lynx]

Unless we get more people to smarten up and realize how stupid it is they won't listen. Sucks to say it but most ppl here buy without thinking and content creators bow down and never say anything bad about the game. So folks, lets make some noise.

[tame pasture]

I honestly don't think the devs care any more

[marble heart]

its gonna be a pretty cool weapon to use, its looking a bit better then the old one. pretty exited to hunt with it - Scarecrow. he said that without even wondering if they changed something about the caliber or gave it a new ammo class or something. he just glazed it like everything else EW does.

[marble heart]

something must have changed inside the company. pretty sure they arent ignored the community that much in the past

[tame pasture]

I've put so much money into this game that I feel like is absolutely wasted. They stopped the streaks, reskinned an entire weapon pack, animals and a reserve weapon so they could add one water rat. At this point I'm deleting the game and saving my money and storage space for ultimate hunting

[marble heart]

honestly all the money i invested into this game doesent feel wasted for me. i also dont care about the reserve weapons that much cause they are either kinda "exotic " or dont have a use in my setup. the selling point of a map for me is that it feels immersive and the species rooster having species i like. Alberta has it flaws but its still a map i`m gonna buy since i like the species and its by far the most immersive map yet.

they could even release a by 180° rotated hirschfelden that has mouflon and some better terrain and i would even buy it.

on the otherside could they release a american small game reserve and i wouldnt buy it since the species rooster isint realy my cup of tea.

[upbeat lynx]

I do like the look of it, that’s it. It’s a well made marlin 336 skin for the already existing Winchester 94 that performs like junk in game.

[marble heart]

i didnt played the leveractions in this game once. and with the 30.-30. didnt getting improved its probably not gonna change for me

[unreal drift]

hey guys look here's a teaser of the new 30-30 in action aren't yall excited :P
(joke, since it's basically just a reskinned Whitlock with better scopes)

[inland monolith]

stealing this

[tame pasture]

To me the reskins are great but when I think of a Canadian map or winter map in general I just don't care for the map. It's like medved with a couple extra deer and more annoying ducks.

I think of the rockies I want to see grizzlies, dall sheep, maybe muskox. This map just doesn't have anything to grab attention. Like yes there's beavers but I've only had the message pop up like one time in like 5 years. I'm more interested in predators and animals that aren't on 4 or 5 other maps. The update is going to apply to all the maps so why would I buy the map that's offering beavers and a reskinned .30-30 that doesn't have any meaningful difference besides being able to use a regular scope.

Big whoop, I bought the Moradi like a year ago

[unreal drift]

this was a double lung so it wasn't as bad, but I also feel like no deer is running a double lung with a 30-30 for almost 60 meters lol

[glacial snow]

What difference does the scope really make when the current .30-30 ammo has such a limited range ...

[tame pasture]

Not enough

"Small to medium game, like whitetail deer and wolves" . . .sure but a .44 magnum can kill a moose at 300m

[inland monolith]

When they should have also increased the max zeroing range.

[tame pasture]

Honestly, today's video answered a lot of my questions.

All of the answers were disappointing

[unreal drift]

if i had a nickel for every game i've played where 30-30 works really well on sika deer but not whitetail deer, i'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice

[tame pasture]

Try moose and black bears in WotH, you have to track them but it'll still be better than CotW

[muted ore]

So that you understand. Comments from YouTube about the new map: 30-30 not being buff is disappointing but the map is amazing, realistic, no way, it's hunting paradise, I'm so exciting, incredible etc. Devs hit the hart of a large community. 30-30 is a problem but fo the small one.

[upbeat lynx]

WotH feels better in some aspects but lacks severely in others, I'm just hoping UH isn't a flop.

[quartz timber]

Just... as... expected....🤣 😅 👎

[compact moth]

I'm so, so tempted to compile a document with in game weapon stats and actual performance compared to real life weapon stats and testimony of performance to submit to EW but lets be real, it will certainly fall on deaf ears

[kind crow]

Most likely however we can still protest & strive to get it fixed. If they dont then we will wait till Ultimate Hunting releases since they seem to have a better understanding of what we want to see. I truly wish EW would release a finale for CotW & start a new development in the franchise. Clean slate, new software, & a ton of new features in detail. Most importantly ditch this CotW's class # mechanic and follow Classic & Ultimate Hunting's example. At least if they did the community has fed them an immeasurable amount of content & suggestions to get the ball rolling.

[upbeat lynx]

Something else to consider is the contradicting stats in the menu. I still can’t make any sense of it.

[compact moth]

The stats are so weird and such arbitrary numbers. The .338 has the same penetration as the .30-06 at 45 units but only 3 units more expansion at 16 instead of 13, yet the .30-06 is a C4-C8 but the .338 is a C7-C9
Ultimately the stats are just random made up values I think

[upbeat lynx]

Hold on last I looked the .30-06 was 40 pen, with one less expansion than the 7mm. Did it seriously change without my knowlege?

Holy crap I didn't realize it changed. Now we have 30-06 and .308 being more powerful than the 300 magnum according to the stats, who in the world thought this stuff up.

[inland monolith]

pretty sure it's the performance on the highest class that it covers

[violet patio]

I've got to be honest, I have not even looked at that other than poly tips vs soft lead for a specific caliber. Wow, that's messed up. Either some animals need reclassing, or a bunch of guns do. Probably both. I've shot a bison with a 180 grain .30-06 bullet IRL and it dropped on the spot. Shame it's not ethical for them in-game.

[inland monolith]

so 30-06 on a class 8 animal would perform just as good as .300 would on a class 9

[violet patio]

I still prefer to use a class 7-9 rifle on class 8 animals, but I will say of all the 4-8 rifles the .30-06 does the job in a pinch.

[upbeat lynx]

Bison really should be class 8 they shouldn't be in the same category as the african cape buffalo. The soft point and poly tip ammo is just stupid, theres one ammo that works and one that doesn't so one of the two goes unused when in reality it could be a reduced load to cover a class range lower, like the caplock muzzleloader.

[upbeat lynx]

I still have no idea if thats correct or not, no one ever confirmed it and it honestly doesn't feel like thats how its supposed to be either.

[inland monolith]

That's what i heard. Not entirely sure on it tho

[upbeat lynx]

I'm gonna test this, since the .338 and .30-06 have the same stats for pen I'll shoot a bison with each and see what happens. If its equal then we know thats not right, if its different, it might be right.

[upbeat lynx]

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1382503701692026880 I may have opened up a can of worms here. I got some really odd results and had to make it into it's own thing.

[compact moth]

Yup, I just took those off of the games wiki
A while ago the penetration of the 6.5mm and the .470 soft point also had identical stats which was really, really weird

[quartz timber]

I guess the pen and exp stats are only half of the information. I guess there are more parameters ingame than those two values. E.g compare the .300 mag with the .308... on the values on the paper the .308 has more penetration - but ingame the .300 goes deeper as the class range also would suggest. Maybe some values like bullet speed or weight or ballistic coefficient are also considered but not shown to us as player ?! Those two values (pen and exp) do not represent the bullet's behavior ingame at all. There must be more to it, than we players get displayed

[grand pecan]

_____ Steel too Light _____

Through lodgepole pines at break of day,
A hunter crept where shadows lay.
His breath held tight, his heart beat near—
At last, he saw the mule deer clear.
A Dripple Drizzle with antlers wide,
A ghost of legend, forest pride.
He aimed with care, the shot rang true—
But dreams can vanish with the dew.
The Great-One reared up, then dashed afar,
A fading shape ‘neath morning star.
His distance small, his hopes were great—
But steel too light can seal one’s fate.
So now he walks, still hears the sound,
Of hooves that never touched the ground.
And in his mind, that final scene—
The buck, the shot, the in-between.