Elephants

[glossy pelican]

I think we should be able to hunt elephants

New ammo: .577 nitro

New gun: elephant guns

Should pay around 1.5k money

This may give a chance to create bigger lodges

Adding this can give us the chance to hunt bigger animals that we will have to track a lot because of the size and how tough they are.

https://weaponsman.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/577-Nitro-Express-vs-22-cb-772x1024.jpg

[gilded torrent]

Give a suggestion for what happens next when you land in your lodge to mount a 6,000 kg diamond elephant.

[cunning hawk]

Elephants are an endangered species. Too many poachers hunted them down for their ebony, while crippling and hurting many a elephant.

I feel, this wouldn't be a good addition to a game like cotw, that is centered around ethical hunting.

[wide nacelle]

With the tusks in place, it’s solved.

[glossy imp]

Elephant hunting is legal in several countries in Africa and is separate from poaching

Also legal elephant hunts generally result in all parts of the elephant being used and it often involves the use of a powerful rifle like the 470 Nitro Express and either a heart or brain shot

I’m sure someone like @heady turret could further expand on why elephants would be a fantastic addition to any future African reserve added to COTw

[gilded torrent]

What do you mean? One would just mount the tusks?

[wild marlin]

There are 9 countries in Africa where elephant hunting is legal.
Having elephant hunting in a hunting video game is perfectly acceptable

[wide nacelle]

Yes, it would be cheap in Call of the Wild.

[grand panther]

Only 6 tons for a diamond ?

[bronze ocean]

To be clear, we have quite a few elephant rifles already

.470
9.3x74R
.375
.338 Lapua
Bows

And the main room on Sasaka Safari could fit two elephants.

[short plume]

the next community challange as a Elephant Backfill as a reward 🤫 (for sure)

[wild marlin]

That’s what it should have been instead of a couple of weapons skins

[heady turret]

A little to add but you have nailed it on the head here.

Elephant hunting is big business for reserves, aside from overpopulation, elephants are generally incredibly pricey to shoot. The money that is collected from this activity not only pays for fences, security and workers to manage the reserves/game farms, but also provides an economic incentive for landowners to keep such animals.

They do cause a lot of problems, be it fence breaks, attacking vehicles and people or tree damage which is the most noticeable and common form of damage.

If you ever go to the Kruger you will notice a big difference between areas that have elephants and those that do not.

If it wasn’t for hunting packages you would see far less elephants outside of the national parks, which up until recently the Kruger had yearly mass elephant culls. I’ve been there a lot in the last year and can say with confidence that I’ve seen more elephants than impala most days I’ve driven through.

In parts of Mozambique that I’ve visited they’ve caused havoc to farms and community’s, killing people unprovoked and destroying crops and irrigation equipment.

Recently Botswana has actually criticised Germany for placing a ban on elephant trophy hunting for its citizens, and threatens to send them 10,000 elephants for them to deal with!

https://youtu.be/7uvz62-AenA?si=fDOxhZ4iuPdBOhlE

Elephant hunting is legal in most large number of southern African countries and encouraged.

[wild marlin]

I love Botswana’s response to Germanys ban threat(maybe it passed, I haven’t paid attention to that)

[heady turret]

Cameroon, Tanzania, Zambia, Mozambique, Zimbabwe, Botswana, Namibia and South Africa all allow elephant hunting. @cunning hawk

Elephant hunting example in #🥩︴irl-hunting message

Although this is an unintentional shot on a full charge bull

[bronze ocean]

Germany’s sanctions on hunting trophies are completely ridiculous.

[wild marlin]

And technically Ethiopia
But they don’t have any zones for them, but there on the list of what you can hunt

Quickly off topic for a bit @heady turret did you hear the news. Dire wolves are back from extinction

[heady turret]

Where?

[wild marlin]

Currently in an undisclosed location in America or Canada.
Colossal Biosciences brought back dire wolves

[gilded torrent]

They would be scored for tusks, not weight, but perhaps all diamond would weigh more. Like I or anyone would ever know - elephants aren’t coming to the game.

[wild marlin]

This is one of them now, they where born in October

[heady turret]

Re-introducing animals is very controversial. Aside from predator interactions with people and livestock, the affect on the pre-existing ecosystem is massive. They’ve become a pest in Europe after being reintroduced. The main forces behind this are eco-groups who think it sounds like a great idea and will ultimately never have to deal first hand with the implications of managing and interaction with these animals.

That being said if monitored and properly managed I don’t see a problem, but I know that this is never the case.

“But this isn't just our moment-it's one for science, our planet, and humankind. All of which we love and are passionate about.
Now, close your eyes and listen to that howl once more. Think about what this means for all of us.” This is an example of “nice idea-ism” the practicality and reasoning of these big decisions should not be based off of slogans or cosmetic noises.

In this case 11,000 years was a long time ago, the ecosystems have changed completely. This off the bat already looks like a poorly thought through idea and more about the advancement in genetic engineering. However this is still a massive achievement for bio-engineering and genetics and I look forward to seeing what other species they can replicate in the future.

[wild marlin]

Mammoths, Tasmanian tigers, and dodo birds are on the list of de extinction, those are pretty cool

[heady turret]

I would be very intrigued to see Tasmanian tigers reintroduced, particularly as you could reintroduce them in small numbers back into Tasmania with little disturbance considering they existed within the last 150 years.

And a mammoth of course would be a flagship project, it’s been talked about for decades

[bronze ocean]

Resurrecting Tasmanian tigers sounds like a colossal waste of money.

[wild marlin]

I’m currently watching the CEO of Colossal on the Joe Rogan experience

[wild marlin]

Was that a pun or an opinion? I can’t tell

[bronze ocean]

Both.

[upper vessel]

Ngl I wouldnt want to hunt an elephant

[wild marlin]

Why do you Think it would be a waste?

Also we should probably move this conversation somewhere else that way this can continue being about elephants( I started it to spread the news about it)

[bronze ocean]

Their role has already been usurped by dingoes and feral cats, it’s among the main reasons they went extinct. I don’t t see their reintroduction working**.**

[bronze ocean]

I’d like to hear you out

[upper vessel]

Well why would you want to hunt one, their big, peaceful, and their like gentle giants, also claiming an animal that big is just dumb, idk but i just wouldnt it doesnt appeal to me hunting down a elephant

[bronze ocean]

Far from peaceful

[upper vessel]

not really, like almost every animal, they wont do anything to you unless provoked or in their way and messing with them

just because they have the ability to squash things like ants doesnt mean their not peaceful

[bronze ocean]

“Must or Musth is a periodic condition in bull (male) elephants characterized by aggressive behavior and accompanied by a large rise in reproductive hormones”

[upper vessel]

yea to other elephants😂

[heady turret]

Sadly not, we’ve had rangers killed by elephants in musk attacking their pickets

[upper vessel]

oh you were there right so you saw everything that happened

[heady turret]

No need to be aggressive or act this way.

I am an anti-poaching ranger in South Africa and have spent a very large portion of my time there in the bush around elephants

[upper vessel]

that doesnt mean anything, you dont know if that elephant felt threatened by the rangers, it doesnt attack for 0 reason

[heady turret]

Respectfully max I know a lot more than you.

[wild marlin]

I was reading your comment and immediately stopped when you said, gentle giants

They are apart of the big 5 for a reason, they’re dangerous. I’ve read about some of the most horrific animal attacks coming from elephants

[bronze ocean]

Funny you say that because aggression against other members of the herd is a major reason elephants are hunted nowadays

[upper vessel]

yea because their attacked, its called being defensive, they are not animals that go out of their way to fight other things, and ayoliam that is just nature, there’s no excuse to hunt them for doing what they are meant to do

[heady turret]

This is sadly not true, elephants are very aggressive and often kill other elephants.

They also attack giraffes, buffalo, anything

[upper vessel]

Proof? sources?

[heady turret]

Yes my own video

[wild marlin]

that’s incredible footage

[upper vessel]

You have 0 context on why it did that tho

[heady turret]

What do you want me to do pass it a microphone and ask it?

You denied that they’re aggressive to other elephants, demand proof which I’ve shown you and now your moving the goalposts and trying to stir.

Your not interested in this at all, your going out of your way to make arguments for their own sake.

I don’t know what exactly your trying to achieve here acting this way.

[upper vessel]

yea now you have nothing😂

[wild marlin]

I really wish I could go into detail about the elephant attacks I’ve read/heard about. But they’re really graphic and the mods don’t like it when I tell them

[upper vessel]

your making a point but cant defend it thats why im “acting this way”, you said something but you have 0 context on the video or what happened before

[glossy imp]

I have heard a lot of people criticize these wolves and not because of the proposed reintroduction but because Colossal claims them to be "Dire Wolves" (Aenocyon dirus) when they are at best GMO Grey Wolves (Canis lupus), but that is what I have read so far

[heady turret]

It’s elephants being elephants bru, it’s not like he’s scammed him on betway.

Here’s the first few seconds of the encounter, they are territorial and we’re in musk they do this to anything that moves.

[upper vessel]

yea elephants being elephants is not a valid reason or source sorry bro😭

[bronze ocean]

It would appear as though they aren’t as peaceful as you previously thought🤷‍♂️

[heady turret]

If your just here to egg people on and try and cause arguments then I’m not interested in having a conversation with someone, particularly when they have no actual Experience around these animals.

[upper vessel]

Dude it sounds like your mad you have nothing to back up your info and ur getting mad

[upper vessel]

not really because theres still no context or reasoning

[bronze ocean]

Musth.

[upper vessel]

what bro😭

[fallow osprey]

Musth.

When dude elephants get big cranky and need to go to the honry jail

[glossy imp]

Musth or must (from Persian, lit. 'intoxicated') is a periodic condition in bull (male) elephants characterized by aggressive behavior and accompanied by a large rise in reproductive hormones. Elephants often discharge a thick, tar-like secretion called temporin from the temporal gland during musth.

[fallow osprey]

you breathe in their general direction during this time of year and they're gonna flatten you with intention.

[bronze ocean]

It’s funny because I directly quoted that first bit. And yet he’s forgotten 20ish minutes later?

[heady turret]

I need to clear out the elephant photos in my storage, once you’ve seen one you’ve seen them all

[upper vessel]

still

[fallow osprey]

You don't need to even "be there in person" there are enough horror stories about it all over the internet if you search.
and not like "ElEpHaNt RaMpAgE" stories.
Like - Tourist didnt listen to their designated tour guide and got squished
or
Ranger got too close and a bull decided ALL of the land was his, and the Ranger was a threat.

Honry elephants just need the widest berth possible, and regardless how gentle they are outside of this season, you should still have care around them.

That said - please don't argue just for the sake of arguing.
Discuss, surely - but all of you need to be open to talking points. (I know most of you are.)
If you can't remain civil - I can gag the thread.

[glossy imp]

There was a horrific case from between 1991-2001 where some young bull rogue elephants killed 63 rhinos of both genders (58 endangered white rhinos and 5 rare black rhinos) in two South African national parks (Hluhluwe–Imfolozi and Pilanesberg). (Source: https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/19941023/1937416/a-murder-mystery-why-were-elephants-slaughtering-rhinos----lack-of-adult-role-models-gets-the-blame)

[fallow osprey]

I remember this

[heady turret]

This sounds about right, they do not get along. They freak each-other out too much

[bronze ocean]

As for the lodge issue

[heady turret]

There’s plenty of spaces in the safari lodge that can fit these guys. Would just have to change the stand model when you select the elephant. Still abundant space with a bigger base in all directions

[fallow osprey]

Part of me wants to dremel designs into those teefs so bad.
But a larger part of me wouldnt wanna desecrate them that way

[inner hemlock]

You can hunt Elephants in 8 countries, and while they may be considered endangered, so is at least one other species in game, that being the Bengal Tiger.

I personally would love to see Elephants as they are a very large game species, and so long as they’re limited in a way as the Tigers and Snow Leopards are, they’d be great.

[heady turret]

The ivory carvings you can find are beautiful, one day maybe they will relax the laws around ivory.

It’s a resource like tallow, leather etc. just about how it’s been sourced

[fallow osprey]

Agreed - if they could do it in as gentle/ethical a way as possible, I would be all for it.
I would not like "shooting gallery" style, like we have on 90% of the rest of the animals

[inner hemlock]

I think having them be able to fit on massive platforms as well would be great. Heck, I bet you could throw one onto an XL Plaque, although it likely wouldn’t have much room left.

[inner hemlock]

Yep, it would be the same with Rhinos if they ever add them. They’re a highly sought after species and while they can be hunted, there’s only a couple places that you can hunt them in, and if we ever get some in game they would have to be limited and explained by the story like how Tigers are.,

[fallow osprey]

I think rhinos would need to be their own map, just because of how the story in Vurhonga is

But yeah. Give it a legal access point and I'm in.

[bronze ocean]

People like to talk about roof height but if I’m being honest, they aren’t mammoths. They could definitely fit in the main room in particular, hell the support beams make plenty of room right in the middle.

I have however always wondered why the mounts are split in this room… just make it one large plaque.

[heady turret]

Yeah there and the main entrance plenty of space

Big round plynth could fit one

[fallow osprey]

For sure. Do they often cut tusks, the way they cut rhino horns?
Do they eventually grow back?

since they are a "kind" of tooth, do they have a nerve like how our teeth do?

[inner hemlock]

Something like a Nambian Map would work for Rhinos. We could also have Brown Hyenas, Cheetahs, Giraffes, Elephants, etc.

Plus, a Kalahari Desert map would make for a very cool desert map.

[heady turret]

Not that I know of, the elephant poaching has really died down. I’ve not been to a single elephant poaching case, and on the reserves I work there’s plenty. Whereas Rhino I’ve done at least 9 rhino cases in 2 months and that’s just on the reserves I do, and even then I didn’t do all of them.

The only knowledge of one I’ve had is from 7 years ago from a coworker.

Yes they are exactly that teeth, they do grow, but if the tusk falls out it cannot regrow.

They do sometimes cut them down or sand the ends in case they feel like it may be too dangerous for other elephants like in the video above.

[inner hemlock]

You don’t even have to breathe at them, they’ll just chase you down and trample you because they’re angry.

[bronze ocean]

Tikkamoon was quite lackluster, I’d love to see EW’s take on Namibia.

[inner hemlock]

I agree. Tikamoon wasn’t bad by any means, but it was definitely missing some important species like Zebras, Leopards, Rhinos, and Elephants.

[wild marlin]

Elephant leather is ethically sourced.
For the hide to be tanned for commercial use, the elephant had to die of natural causes and then inspected to make sure it died of natural causes

[fallow osprey]

Interesting!
I didnt know they could like, fall out. I knew they could be cut, sanded or even break but
somehow I just never thought of them falling out 😂

[bronze ocean]

It’s definitely better than the rest of woth’s maps but yeah, wasn’t bad… just missing a ton.

[heady turret]

People also use the tail hairs as brooms!

[fallow osprey]

this was in reference to them being added to the game tho

[fallow osprey]

thats actually super cool haha

[wild marlin]

I need to catch up on the reading then

[heady turret]

Most giraffe poaching is just for the tails as to be made into brooms/brushes to sweep with aswell. they’re quite big in Xhosa heritage for that purpose and for gifts.

[wild marlin]

I’ve shown these a bunch of times now, but I have to show them again

A four tusked elephant would be beyond epic to hunt

[fallow osprey]

somehow this makes me more sad

[fallow osprey]

this would 10000000% need to be a GO variation 😭

[heady turret]

To get back to the main point ,

Elephants would be a particularly lekker addition to a new African map

[wild marlin]

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1278571704838520904
Thats what I’ve been trying to say to everyone!

@fallow osprey
I also recommend visiting https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1336821988718809119
lots of cool African finds there

[wild marlin]

Albino elephant calf

[mortal thorn]

If you exist within 1,000 yards of their position there's a good chance they'll try to murder you when in musth lol

[short plume]

Yeah thats stupid, when you get Catched with for example elephant tusks at the airport you will get sentenced (i dont remember if you would go to jail or just have to pay a lot if money ) and tusks are going in a dark room for the rest of their existance ...

[rare spade]

Then why do we have tigers, blackbuck, barasingha and snow leopards?

[wild marlin]

Blackbuck and barasingha are fine

[rare spade]

Blackbuck are endangered in Nepal, same with barasingha

[wild marlin]

In fairness, you can only hunt like 4 species in irl in Nepal

Boar, muntjac, blue sheep and tahr.

[tame lance]

we all know that EW could never sell a map with only four species on it, so some creative liberties had to be taken. The map is way better as a result.

[grand panther]

https://youtu.be/0Ah4C__4Qu0?si=WnfrqxTI3iQr7Zy6

Very peaceful elephant bull, wouldn't hurt a fly

[heady turret]

🤣

[bronze ocean]

Indian leopard, axis deer and like a dozen birds as well

[glossy imp]

I mean that is what can actually be hunted

There is a whole list of species that can be legally hunted on paper (https://faolex.fao.org/docs/pdf/nep187233.pdf)

Its just that there is only one hunting reserve in Nepal and those are the only 4 species on offer

I remember my Nepalese Reserve concept included a lot of the species that can be potentially hunted in Nepal and it has animals like Goral, Himalayan Black Bear, Hog Deer, Indian Leopard and Sambar Deer to name a few species alongside Tahr, Blue Sheep, Wild Boar & Muntjac

[glossy imp]

https://csrcnepal.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/National-Parks-and-Wildlife-Conservation-Act-2029-1973.pdf

Blackbuck, Barasingha, Wild Yak, Bengal Tiger & Snow Leopard are all protected species in Nepal

[summer seal]

As much as I hate to bring this down and this is my opinion but I don't think elephants should happen in the game, the endangered argument gets thrown out the window though since we have euro bison, Iberian wolves, Tigers, and many more endangered species in the game but elephants are too ambitious to the game and would likely only bring more problems than good to the game mainly needing a bigger lodge/plaques, a new class because class 9 would be weird for elephants, and much more having such a large animal like an elephant or a giraffe would bring alot of problems for the game

[glossy imp]

Ultimate Hunting is coming with elephants in both their upcoming demo and the full game and they have less people working on the game

Elephants are well within reason for theHunter Call of the Wild

A lot of us are expecting a new weapon class for Elephants anyways, but Giraffe would fit well within the Class 9 range

And I’m sure some of the plaques in the trophy lodges can support Elephants and some parts of the Safari lodge could even support a full body display and we could also have elephant tusk mounted on their own (as seen in the attached image)

[bronze ocean]

Plenty of room.

[summer seal]

Idk maybe I'm a little skeptical with elephants due to what happened with bloodhounds just worried mainly for any game breaking issues something that large might bring

Ultimate hunting is ...yeah

I could see the tusk mounts being a thing but having to fit one on a larger plaque on the wall may cause certain issues with space or may require new ones for the lodges

Otherwise if they can work around all that elephants could be nice to have I still feel rhinos or hippos would be better

[bronze ocean]

There’s ZERO shot the roof of the Safari lodge is shorter than 18ft tall.

[gilded torrent]

LAME
Don’t worry about me though. I don’t even know why I’m commenting on the thread - I just believe elephants are not coming to the game.

But, if they are, and it requires a lodge update, I am for it.

[bronze ocean]

Nothing lame about that. I’d take the tusks over a full mount any day.

[gilded torrent]

It is my opinion that it is lame. A lodge update with extra massive platforms or whatever would be more ideal, especially because the lodges ought to be updated.

[bronze ocean]

My point isn’t that it’s not necessary more that it is doable with out.

And better yet

[gilded torrent]

It’s weird and cool and convenient. Very weird.

[bronze ocean]

What’s weird about it?

[heady turret]

Hi bru,

There’s nothing to suggest that they’re not possible. EW have said on nuermous occasions that they are more than capable of adding them to the game.

[bronze ocean]

Coding wise, I can’t see them being much different than the other animals.

[heady turret]

Ya they’ve never said anything about size issues when we’ve asked them.

[gilded torrent]

“weird” is a relative term. The being of the elephant taxidermy style is unexplainable in how it differs from the current in-game styles.

[gilded torrent]

You know, that gives me hope for them, but I still don’t expect them. I don’t want to be disappointed if they don’t add them because I expected them.

[bronze ocean]

It’s very similar to boar in a way

[inner hemlock]

The worst thing I could see in terms of issues is simply how massive they are and how much space that would take up. They likely be about 2 - 2.5x the size of a Cape Buffalo, and animations may cause problems or something. Then again, I’m not video game coder nor do I know anything about how the creation of species in this game goes.

[gilded torrent]

Yeah

Me too. I don’t know.

[grand gull]

I understand hunt of the elephants if it will be similar to a tiger hunt. Very dangerous. But I don't understand those who just want put big bullets in the thick flesh. Elephant or walrus hunt similar to a deer hunt is disgusting for me. Like grizzly (bb, lion) in game hunt now.

[inner hemlock]

What’s wrong with hunting Walruses? Walrus hunting is tough as are the Walruses.

[wild marlin]

Yeah, if anything walrus would be more like salt water crocs

[grand gull]

I saw hunt on walrus. Big snail on the shore. Easy peasy. They are killed in the water irl because it easy way to deliver it home. The seal hunt is "drunken shooting" over the heads sticking out over the water for fun. Maybe because I didn't see anything resembling hunting there I have this attitude.

[grand gull]

Without BFG 50 it's no fun.

[bronze ocean]

You must’ve seen a commercial hunt.

There’s a massive difference between sealing/commercial hunts and the more normal trophy style hunt.

[wild marlin]

I highly disagree with your statement

416, 458, 375, 338, there so many better options for walrus than a BFG 50

[bronze ocean]

There’s really no comparing walrus hunting and elephant hunting.

One you have to pretend to be a iceberg for multiple hours on a boat in -25° weather, only to hopefully make the shot of a lifetime on a 2-4,000lbs animal while the boat is rocking wildly and ice floes knock you off course potentially scuffing your shot, bear in mind this animal is extremely aware of its surroundings because it has to deal with the largest land predator on the planet.

And the other is a 13,000 lbs TANK made up of straight bone and muscle with a tendency of hiding in the thickest brush known to man and senses that put radars to shame.

[grand gull]

I have seen regular hunt. From regular hunt to kill for fun is sometimes just one step (one bottle).

[bronze ocean]

I’m confused as to what you mean? One bottle? Of seal oil?

[grand gull]

One bottle of whiskey 😎

[grand gull]

I have seen so many stupid kills irl. Therefore I don't kill the salt water crocs. Because they helpless and almost non dangerous in the game. And I suspect what the walruses will be the same.... and elephants.

[glossy imp]

Elephants can be quite stealthy and this is thanks to their foot anatomy as they basically walk on their toes and foot pads, and I imagine a number of hunters have gotten closer then they would have liked to an elephant simply because a 13,000 pound behemoth walks very quietly, if Africa 2.0 has a lot of brush I imagine quite a few people will wind up being detected by an elephant well before they can see the elephant

[grand panther]

I know of places where hunters venture into thick bush to hunt elephant and after shooting the one they want they quickly realize they actually walked into the middle of a heard and are now surrounded by stampeding elephant

[grand gull]

That's what I want. Dangerous and elusive elephant in thick brush. Like a tiger. Not like a yak or buison or buffalo. Which in the game are killed in whole herds at a time.