Sundarpatan came dry

[rancid kelp]

Many extra things were added which were unnecessary. We need:

Sloth Bear, Himalayan Black Bear, Indian Leopard, Indian Rhino, Indian Elephant, Sambar Deer, Hog Deer, Axis Deer, Indian Peafowl, Bar Headed Goose and Gurkha Rifle instead of Gandhare rifle

[rancid kelp]

Gandhare I guess comes from Gandhara, and Gandhara is a region in Western India and Pakistan. Nepal has the Gurkha Rifle, not Gandhara!

[lunar latch]

While I agree with you on many of the species for the most part, there’s some that I disagree with you on.

For one, Hog Deer are not found in Nepal and haven’t been found there for centuries.

Secondly, Indian Elephants are incredibly rare in Nepal, with approximately 200 animals found, and many of those are in protected lands.

Now for the “Gurkha” rifle. The Gurkha Rifle is not an actual rifle, rather it is a regiment of riflemen in the British army made up of Nepalese men.

The Gandhare Rifle is also not a real rifles name, rather it’s simply the in game stand in name for the Martini-Henry Single Shot. It is a fitting weapon as it is a popular milsurp hunting rifle and was a military firearm in Nepal and the British Raj up until 1918.

[manic thunder]

I’m confused as to what you thought was unnecessary?

[lunar latch]

Probably the Wooly Hare and Greylags, which I personally agree with. Wooly Hares were not a needed nor wanted species and the Greylags should’ve been replaced with Bar-Headed geese. Everything else fits very well though.

[manic thunder]

I actually quite like the wooly hare model and reserves feel empty without rabbits. OP made it seem like sundarpatan came full of unnecessary things.

I will agree on graylags. Nobody goes to Nepal to hunt geese.

[lunar latch]

I would’ve preferred some kind of upland game instead of rabbits, but I will agree that their model is very good.

[manic thunder]

Ive been meaning to do a revised sundarpatan species list for awhile now. I’ll get around to it eventually.

[lunar latch]

There are a handful of species that I think need to be on the map, particularly Sloth Bear and Asiatic Black Bears.

[floral basin]

I think the woolly hare should have been restricted to the Himal region given they are only found in the high altitude areas of Nepal

Also Hog Deer do still occur in Nepal with Bardia National Park being one place to see them (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/369181581_First_photographic_record_of_albinism_in_hog_deer_Axis_porcinus_from_Bardia_National_Park_Nepal#:~:text=Hog Deer or Laguna (Axis,barely%20found%20in%20the%20park. is a link to a paper about albinism in hog deer within that national park)

[manic thunder]

It’s the lack of axis deer for me, I can do without the bears as a Japan reserve is a possibility in the future

The barssignha should’ve had a wayyyy smaller population

[lunar latch]

I agree with that, but I do like Barasingha. What really should have a smaller population is Water Buffalo and Blackbuck, particularly Blackbuck. There are only about 200 Blackbuck in all of Nepal, and only about 500 wild Water Buffalo.

[floral basin]

Didn’t one of the missions imply that the buffalo on Sundarpatan might actually be hybrids between domestic and wild water buffalo and therefore fair game

Plus if the buffalo on Sundarpatan were wild they would of had an entirely separate entry in the codex given they are classified as Bubalus arnee

[lunar latch]

I did the missions so long ago that don’t remember

[floral basin]

All water buffalo in COTW are under the binomial name of Bubalus bubalis, making them feral buffalo

[lunar latch]

Well still, that leaves the Blackbuck whose population should not be that high. There’s probably as many blackbuck on Sundarpatan alone as there is in all of Nepal irl.

[floral basin]

I agree with that

[rancid kelp]

Well, Bardia National Park, Chitwan National Park and Shuklaphanta National Park, all of which are extremely similar to Sundarpatan's Pahad (it's actually pronounced as Pahar, meaning mountain) and terai, do have Hog Deer and huge Elephants

[rancid kelp]

Which one?

[floral basin]

I don’t remember, its been a while

[violet idol]

I agree on SOME of these animals, but I do believe that for those we just need another Asian map around that area instead of all on one map

[rancid kelp]

Yeah lmao because we have like 4 maps from North America

[manic thunder]

All of them are very different. Representing very different eco regions.

[rancid kelp]

Sad

[manic thunder]

That’s good. Not sad.

[rancid kelp]

Ishayu's dad

[sonic lava]

I would have loved to see Sloth bear and Indian leopard personally, ESPECIALLY leopards. Also always did find it odd how they didn't add Sambar deer to this map, seeing as they're an important deer species for the Bengal tiger. Same for Axis deer.

[rancid kelp]

Not this post, the other one. The one titled "tigers weigh too much"

[sonic lava]

I know. I'm talking about this one too.

[rancid kelp]

Ohh

[lunar latch]

And we could easily have 2 or 3 more North American maps with brand new species, for example: Northern Canada (Arctic), Southern Mexico (Jungle), and the Everglades (Swamp). All of these could have unique and interesting species.

[rancid kelp]

We already have mississippi as swamp, but maybe they could consider everglades cuz american crocodile

[clever aurora]

We have 6

[clever aurora]

Don't care, delete half and make more Europe maps, there are too many in NA, only one we need ever again is arctic Canada, and that's it.

[azure mural]

True, northern canada and then go elsewhere

[lunar latch]

Yeah, because Europe totally has a lot of big game diversity…it’s not like it’s the same 4-5 big game animals across the whole continent.

[clever aurora]

Same with america..

[azure mural]

Nah

Italy perhaps would do it

[lunar latch]

North America has no less than 17 big game animals that you can hunt, and well over 40 if you include all the subspecies as well.

Europe has Roe, Red, and Fallow Deer, Ibex, Wild Boar, and Brown Bears. That’s about it. Maybe you can throw European Bison in there but that’s still less than half of what North America has.

[azure mural]

Chamois and Mouflon yeah

[clever aurora]

We have way more, seems like classic American knowledge, Germany is the only country that exists in Europe am I right?

[lunar latch]

Still, Europe hardly compares to North America. I could see one or 2 more Europe maps as large maps, one in the Balkans and one in the alps. Other than that it’s only really small game maps that could happen.

[clever aurora]

America has moose, mallard, whitetail, maybe black bear, repeat.

[manic thunder]

American knowledge am I right? 2-3 depending on the metric and source of the Top 5 universities on the planet…

[clever aurora]

Just pointing out that Mr. Schrader seems to think Germany is the only country in the continent of Europe considering the animals he mentioned

[manic thunder]

He covered a vast majority of the game you can hunt in mainland Europe… the list doesn’t get much bigger if you head north lol.

[clever aurora]

"vast majority" proceeds to mention 7 out of maybe 20 big game animals

[azure mural]

Italy maybe ukraine

[clever aurora]

Norway, italy, some Balkan country

[manic thunder]

We aren’t counting invasives to my knowledge and it wouldn’t really matter much.

Wolves - illegal

Bear - illegal in most areas with few exceptions (Sweden, Russia, Croatia, etc)

Reindeer - Highly Regulated and MOSTLY ILLEGAL

Lynx - Rare and Very Regulated

Wolverine - Highly Illegal

Seals - highly regulated and mostly illegal

Whereas most large game is huntable and quite sensible in North America. Let’s be open minded.

For example, nobody goes to Europe to hunt Polar Bear.

[azure mural]

Moose

[manic thunder]

In like 3 countries and maybe 2-3 micronations.

[lunar latch]

Norway, Sweden, Finland, Russia, and Belarus (if you’re insane enough to go there) allow hunting of moose, but that’s it to my knowledge.

[floral basin]

North American Big Game Species
• Polar Bear
• Brown Bears
• Alaskan Brown
• Grizzly
• Kodiak
• Black Bear
• Cougar
• Grey Wolf
• Walrus
• 6 Seal Species in the Canadian Arctic & Atlantic Canada
• Wolverine
• American Alligator
• Wild Turkey (5 subspecies)
• Ocellated Turkey (Southern Mexico)
• Feral Pig
• Javelina/Collared Peccary
• White-lipped Peccary (Veracruz, Mexico)
• Moose (4 subspecies)
• Elk/Wapiti (4 subspecies)
• White-tailed Deer (multiple subspecies, I only listed 2 but there is more)
• Coue’s Deer
• Northern White-tailed Deer (Northeastern US & Eastern Canada)
• Mule Deer/Black-tailed Deer (multiple subspecies, I only listed 4)
• Rocky Mountain Mule Deer
• Desert Mule Deer
• Columbian Black-tailed Deer
• Sitka Black-tailed Deer
• Caribou (multiple subspecies)
• American Bison
• Plains Bison
• Wood Bison
• Mountain Goat
• Muskoxen
• Thinhorn Sheep
• Dall’s Sheep
• Stone’s Sheep
• Bighorn Sheep
• Rocky Mountain Bighorn Sheep
• Desert Bighorn Sheep
• Sierra Nevada Bighorn Sheep

And excluding the feral pigs I think I covered most of the native big game species & subspecies that can currently be hunted in Canada, the United States and Mexico irl (based on what I know)

[lunar latch]

Let’s See, of the widely hinted and available big game animals in Europe there’s: Red Deer, Roe Deer, Fallow Deer, Chamois, Alpine Ibex, Mouflon, and Wild Boar. Right there is 7 animals.

There are some places that allow Moose, Brown Bears, and Reindeer, but other than that there’s no new big game to add other than Invasives (such as Aoudad, Kri Kri, Racka Sheep, and Jacobs Four-Horn Sheep to a map set in the Balkans like Croatia, North Macedonia, or Albania).

[manic thunder]

Don’t forget the Manbearpig

[lunar latch]

And that right there is over 40, not even including most subspecies. Theres at least 6 caribou subspecies, 5 popular Whitetail subspecies, and not taking into account the 5 Turkey subspecies we have (Merriam’s, Rio Grande, Eastern, Osceola, and Goulds).

[floral basin]

Funny enough European Mouflon are not even considered a true subspecies of the Mouflon as it is believed to be a descendant of feral sheep that existed on Corsica and Sardinia since the Neolithic Period 7,000 years ago (no mouflon were present on tue islands before 7,000 years ago)

[restive spade]

18 or 19 of these could be hunted in British Columbia alone if I counted correctly. Canada needs some maps in this game!!!!

[azure mural]

aka the next one